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#136 - Dennis Campbell - The Evolution of AI · The Chris and Mike Show

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I just like the song, man. Me too.
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There you go. Welcome, boys and girls.
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It's Chris and Mike's show. He's Chris.
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No, I'm Chris. I'm Chris.
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He's Mike. This is Mr. Bistech Dennis in
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the House. Welcome, Dennis.
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Nice to meet you man. What's up, Dennis?
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Nice to meet you guys, man. I got doing.
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What's up? What's up, man?
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We, you know, we're just it's a Tuesday afternoon recording a
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show to go, you know, on the podcast channel, all the kind of
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fun stuff, man. So we thank you for joining us.
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It's been a while since we originally spoke, I believe,
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because we have this this long, like not long, but we have like
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this new list of people. There's a list, there's a list,
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man, which when we started this, we never knew there'd be a list.
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You know we. Were lucky to get a guest in the
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beginning. It's kind of cool to have a
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list, man. It is, I love it.
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So usually I don't go in and and poke at who's coming on the show
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because I like to be real, raw and organic when we have
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conversations. But I got to confess, I went on
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your Facebook page last night because I was trying, Hey,
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Michael, Because I was trying to find your e-mail.
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Because usually I stick it in my phone, so it's attached.
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But no. But the cool thing about it is
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not, I have some background on you.
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Like, you're all AI. Yeah, you're all like in the AI
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and stuff. And then which?
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Him and I are just as much. Man, Yeah, yeah.
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And I'm loving it right now. I mean, I've been studying for
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years. So I'm, I'm excited about the,
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the commercialization of it right now too.
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It's a, it's a good time for creative people to be able to
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use AI and even business people too.
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It's just a super powerful tool right now.
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Yeah. What capacity are you using it?
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I mean, so you had to understand me to understand that I'm using
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it at a very high capacity. Like, so I'm an engineer, I
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build software. I'm a tech first kind of guy,
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man. It says Mr. Business taking my
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name. And it's not any by any
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imagination, something I kind of dabble in.
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I've been in the deep end for about 15 years.
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So I, I'm build a lot of cool technology, man.
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So AI honestly is something that I've just always been aware of
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really since about 2009, 2010, even before commercialization, I
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went to pretty prestige, just kind of engineering institute.
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I went to Georgia Tech down in Atlanta and got to get exposed
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to some really cool stuff when I was in college.
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So it kind of gave me some insight about this stuff much
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earlier than where it is now. And now I'm kind of excited to
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be able to use it to explore marketing more effectively,
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telling stories more effectively and just kind of being more
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creative. But I'm, I'm also using it in my
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business a whole lot. Like I could go down a number of
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different trees where I just kind of use it in, in so many
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different ways to really be effective.
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It's just. I tell people all the time, man,
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this podcast wouldn't exist without AI.
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We don't have the time to do like a lot of the animations and
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the write ups, you know, Chris and I will go in and tweak them
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after they're done to, you know, get rid of the redundancy or
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whatever. But in a positive note, that's
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how we use it all the time is just to speed up the process of
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getting these shows out because you know, we both work full time
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jobs too, so. You know for sure.
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Where do you see that going as far as like you know, they're,
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they say that AI is going to replace so many jobs and do you
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see that happening in what capacity and when?
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So I just look at it from a different lens, like it's
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definitely going to replace that, but it's going to create
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new ones too. So honestly, people are needing
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to develop more AI skills like, you know, you know, we're all in
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America, but you just have to look around the world and like
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look at the tempo in which some other nations are, are kind of
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teaching the the next generation about how to use AI, how they're
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integrating it into everyday education systems and things of
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that nature. You got to understand that those
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are naturally things that we have to start doing here in the
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States because AI is meant to not take anything from anyone.
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It's really meant to remove inefficiency.
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Similar to what it's doing for you on your podcast, you know
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what I'm saying? Similar to what it does for me
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in business and as a creative and all these other great
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things. It's literally meant to make
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stuff more efficient. So figure out how to use it and
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then go do whatever you were already planning on doing
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before, and you'll probably figure out you'd probably be
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able to do it in a much more efficient clip or probably
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faster or more effectively. So that's kind of how I look at
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it, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, and see, I in, in the last
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two days because I, I'm in real estate.
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So I blog, I market, I make videos and shit.
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I now have hey Jen, which generates the, the the AI twin,
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right? That does some stuff that I use
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that for. I have chat GP.
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I've had that for quite a while. My guy's name is Dave.
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We have really good conversations.
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Unless he pisses me off, tell him, go tell him go fuck
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himself. You know, he was doing some shit
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last night, man. I was, I was telling him, do me
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something like I give him all the prompts and shit and he's
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fucking dropping all these scripts.
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And I'm like, Dave, I'm not, I don't want scripts, man.
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You're supposed to follow the guideline.
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So, so I, you know, so, but so it's funny in that aspect.
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But just to your point, Dennis, it, it's time saving because
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what used to take me say 20 minutes to write a blog and then
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I use Active Rain because Active Rain is a platform for real
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estate. If you didn't know that, right?
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So inside of that I have to go click what state I'm in, what
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kind of topic it falls under, whether it's like real estate,
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general information than Arizona, then the county, than
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the city, and then the neighborhood within that city.
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And I got to put in all the hashtags and all the keywords
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and shit. So what AI, what Dave's done for
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me is I'll, I'll do a paragraph of a city like, hey, Dave, I
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want to do, I want to do 30 days of blogs based on this city.
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Here's the important components use, you know, everything I've
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taught you and, and go scour everything and generate me 30
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days worth of blogs. And then he'll be like, I don't
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want to do 30 at a time. I'm like, that's cool.
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Let's store the memory. Give me 3 right now.
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And then So then I just go back and forth and and I go through
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and read them and and make sure there's legit because I'll, you
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know, sometimes he's a whack A mole, but it truly I have I have
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content set up just from today. What I do today.
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I have seven days of content on Instagram and I have content on
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LinkedIn and Active rain until the 24th of this month with what
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Mike and I do on our YouTube channel.
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He allows me, I, I take the 10 to 15 reels we get from these
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shows like you're going to get, I'm going to e-mail you 10 to 15
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reels, whatever we get from the show once it's done.
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So you can use it however you want, right, Dennis?
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But I take Dave and I say, OK, here's here's the real topic.
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So whatever the whatever we named those reels, right?
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And then Dave will write me a one or two sentence summary of
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that and give me the hashtag. And so I just pump it into
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YouTube. And then it's just a matter of
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scheduling out and doing it. My biggest, my biggest time,
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time consuming aspects are plugging the shit in.
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So if we could figure out a way to just take Dave and Hadrian
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and Active Rain to all talk, that would be fabulous, because
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then I could just like. Well, talk to us.
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About that, Dennis, is that. Is that something that he can
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look forward to? I mean, there's tools that can
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do that. So I mean, and you're talking to
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another thing about me. I know we didn't get into no
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back story, but like I build technology at like the highest
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level. So like when people talk to me
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about technology based problems, I'm typically the guy who's in
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the mix of like also making technology based solutions for
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like really innovative stuff. So like this kind of stuff we're
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talking about. I help people like build
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businesses around things like that, to build solutions around
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stuff like that. But there are some platforms
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that kind of can help you. I don't know exactly about the
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platforms you're just going on, but there are platforms where
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you can do kind of bat scheduling and all that kind of
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the good stuff too. But yeah, they, those things are
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definitely, I'm on the horizon. They're kind of going to get
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better and better and more integrated with all the AI
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platforms you already use and stuff like this.
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So you definitely anticipate a whole lot more that.
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Yeah, the one cool thing about the platforms I use, I can
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schedule out. So it's just, it's just, and I
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can just set it and forget it. So once a week I usually dive
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into that and just kind of like, OK, it's the day I got to do all
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this shit, which is not fun because it's mundane, right?
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But. Yes, kind of like editing.
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Yeah, yeah. So there's another way that AI
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helps us. The reels that you're going to
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get, I doctor them up, I make them look better and sound
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better. But the initial bulk of the
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work, that's all done by AI too as well.
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All of it because you know how long?
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Well, I don't know it. You probably edited a lot of
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video in your life, right? I've edited some video for sure.
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I've actually I've been doing a decent amount of it recently for
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sure. But yeah, I know it's.
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Super time consuming, yes, definitely.
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Yeah. AI helps a lot with that.
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Yeah, I looked at some of your content and it's just pretty
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legit, man. I like it.
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I appreciate it, man. I've been getting better at it,
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man. I've been putting some work in
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it up at the for the past couple of years or so, trying to, yeah,
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kind of get a better cadence of creating stuff.
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I feel like kind of just resonates the right way with the
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audience, but also represents me the right way too.
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Yeah, that's cool. So before the show, we all kind
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of pointed out the fact that he's wearing a Cardinals hat.
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And so we're all kind of from the Midwest, which is kind of
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cool. I thought he was from Illinois,
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but he's from Missouri. But it's all good in Missouri.
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We're neighbors. We're neighbors.
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So you you've been doing, you've been, you've been studying and
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researching AI for 15 years. You you've said that a couple
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times and I saw it on your on your social stuff too.
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So what was it that drew you into that to made you because
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you're ahead of the game by a long shot, right?
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Because most people have just really introduced and embraced
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AI in the last like three to five years, you would think, I
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mean, correct me if I'm wrong. Probably being generous, it's
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probably just been within the last couple.
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I would say that the public has started to use it to the level
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that you're using it. What do you think, Dennis?
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How long? It it's definitely in the range
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like the, the mass adoption has been spiking over the past three
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years, but it's really just at the cadence of the software too.
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So like all this software is kind of and this year has been
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one of the biggest years in growth for this AI platform
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usage. But last year it started spiking
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some. This year it's like spiking way
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more intensive because they're just making way more dope stuff.
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So now. So why?
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Why is that? Like what?
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What's the difference between right now and where we were 15
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years more user friendly? And I got you, I got you.
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So the thing that's different, honestly, is I got this.
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You asking the right? Way.
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That's why I asked you, man. Yeah, so, so back in the day
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when I was when I first started studying AI, understand most
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advanced technologies and actually only start out in the
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government. So there's going to be parts of
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the government that get advanced technologies first or high level
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research institutions like MIT and Stanford and all these other
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really like high level engineering environments that
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let that are people are actually creating this cutting edge
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technology. So understand that this stuff
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has already been in existence for quite some time, but it
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wasn't at the level of commercialization.
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So you know, they're, you know, they're talking a lot about data
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centers and stuff like that. And they're like these new
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formats of places where they're having to aggregate all of the
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stuff that people are using the Internet for now.
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The real the real reason why AI is becoming prevalent now is
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because there's much more data highway for people to do the
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kind of stuff that AI is extremely data intensive.
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So like for first, cloud infrastructure had to be here in
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a way where it could handle what we're dealing with right now.
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But like we're talking about stuff that's like imagine
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streaming times 20 or something like that on your data bandwidth
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when it comes to all of the processing is happening on the
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back end. When you go say, hey, edit up
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three hours of video content for me, or hey, create 1010 weeks of
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social media content for me. Strategize based off of this
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information. It's a lot of computing power.
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We're just now getting to a place where there's enough
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highway for the kind of data that needs to flow for us to do
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this at the level we're doing it now.
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And it's really just continuing to grow.
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So we're going to see it even more rapidly over the next 5 to
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10 years because infrastructure is now in a place where it
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works. But 15 years ago, infrastructure
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wasn't there. We barely had cloud computing 15
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years ago, we barely had the the level of kind of
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interconnectivity that we have to like.
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That's the why stuff can travel so much faster.
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That's why Google and Facebook and X and all these other
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companies are are even more effective at getting certain
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solutions to the market. Then tech DPT had to do a lot of
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work to become the next big tech company in the mix of all these
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other tech companies that were trying to build AI solutions to
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So all story shortest infrastructure.
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Man, that that's kind of, I know.
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I kind of went around in a little.
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Bit no, no, no, you're good. That's every everything you said
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was 100% accurate and I'll put this into better how old are
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you, Dennis? I'm. 35.
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I'll put this into better perspective for you.
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So I'm 52, Chris is 55. 5535. I have a degree in.
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Digital, Dennis. I have a degree in digital
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electrical imaging, which doesn't mean anything anymore
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other than it's going to put this into perspective for you.
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When I ran a scanner back in the day, we were just starting to
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switch from film to digital, right?
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To scan even a 500 megabyte file back then took hours because
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there wasn't the computing power to be able to.
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Like the point he just made is so true.
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The world had to wait until the infrastructure was laid down.
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The ideas were there, everybody knew how to make it work, but
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you could not make it work because what we're doing right
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now was not even possible. So, so from an infrastructure
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standpoint, we're talking about fiber optic cabling and this
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kind of the you're talking. About high speed Internet, but
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more important than that, the point that he made, and I'm
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intimately familiar with this because I work for a company
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that will never be mentioned on this podcast, but we happen to
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build the support systems for these server farms, right?
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So I've been intimately involved in this on two different fronts
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back in the 90s, starting this digital revolution and then
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working for a company that supports that infrastructure.
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You know, I was like, where is all this shit going?
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And that's what they kept saying.
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We're building a cloud infrastructure.
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Well, nobody even knew what that was at the time, but now it
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makes sense, right? What you just said was
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brilliant. We needed that computing power,
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the data center, to be able to make all this AI happen.
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That was very well said. You didn't go around anything.
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That was great. That was a great answer.
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I don't know. But not.
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Yeah, I don't know where you're gonna go from here.
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You already answered. You answered all the questions
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man. Come on man, I know you got.
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More Oh no, I got a million more questions.
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Yeah, go ahead. Fire away, man.
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That's interesting though. That's fascinating.
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I, I, I, I, I was kind of hoping you were going to say like, oh,
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and I watched the Terminator that just, I wanted to, I wanted
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to get to the cyber, you know, I wanted to learn how to make my
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own Terminator. I tell you, maybe you want to
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make technology. It wasn't terminated though, but
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that's funny. So do you think that AI
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transitions into robotics for like, you know, they're talking
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about having home servants and things like that?
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Does AI? It obviously translates over
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into. Of course it's already there.
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Honestly, there's people already making this kind of stuff.
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They have like little mini robots.
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You can tell them what to do. They walk around Pick.
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Stuff. Those MIT robots are creepy,
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man. Yeah, they had they, they're
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doing a lot of this stuff now, man.
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They're starting to try to figure out how to make
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commercialize. I mean, I'm, I thought I robot
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when I was younger. So I just kind of have a certain
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like I need one of those things. You got to there's different
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things you can have to like almost shut down any computer.
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You got to have stuff like that around you at all time in the in
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the world that we're going into because it's going to get tricky
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out here, real tricky real soon. So I'm going to date myself.
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You probably don't remember this.
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There was a, there was a talking teddy bear back in the day
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called Teddy Ruxpin. Oh yeah.
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And brother loved that thing. Getting shit dude that shit with
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freaky. And it was run by a cassette
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tape. Dennis.
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Yeah, a cassette tale. Yep.
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So what, how do you, what do you do on a day-to-day basis to
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incorporate? Because I, again, I, I kind of
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poked at your stuff. So obviously you're, you're
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helping people like myself or, you know, in just in the AI
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world itself. So like tell people, cuz when
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you come on our show, we're all about you.
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We're all promoting you, helping people find you, helping people
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understand what you do business wise and how to make you more
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successful. Get your name out there more and
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more. So kind of share a little bit of
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light on what you do and, and how you're using this on an
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everyday basis to help other people accomplish what they want
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to accomplish. Like if I came to you and say,
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hey, Dennis, I'm a realtor, I want to dominate the city.
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I don't know shit about AI. What would you do to help me all
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of a sudden be able to blow up in the city?
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And every time somebody turns around and they're seeing my
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name or seeing my logo or seeing my brand or, you know, you know,
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expand and without without giving away your trade seekers
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because we want people to of. Course of course, of course, of
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course, of course, of course. Got you.
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So really. So let me give you some
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framework for this. So I'm a consultant, I'm a
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business and a technology consultant.
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So basically, like I said, I've been in tech over 15 years,
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taking a lot of my experience, knowledge, expertise, all this
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stuff and kind of capstone it into this consulting firm that I
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run where I literally just help people basically be more
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effective in using technology to build innovative solutions and
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assets for their businesses. Now that means a lot of
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different things, but ultimately my service is really holistic.
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Like I kind of help people from idea all the way to this is
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ready for you to take it to the market and reach hundreds of
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thousands of millions of people and solve their problem.
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Really effective. Now everything in between there
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is a ongoing, it's a process that I take people to.
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It's like a four step process and I do the same thing for
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every client. Every time they on board with
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us, we get an understanding of where they want to go and where
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they're at taking that information, anything like what
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a typical consultant would do. And we understand, OK, you're
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here, you're wanting to address problems like this for more
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people in this space. And then we at innovative
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strategy solution specialist, we come in and say, OK, I've been
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playing around with mobile technology, hardware based
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technology, AI based innovative tech for years.
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I know almost every trick of the tray.
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And I have like, basically, if you want to call the HVAC
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specialist and say, Hey, my heaters not working right or I
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needed to get hotter in my house, I got a tool bag that
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said, Hey, I got a, a brand and I want to be more effective to
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using technology and get into these kind of people really,
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really fast. And I may have a software
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platform or web platform to solve some kind of problem for
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them. Can you help me make this
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software more effective for getting these people's problems
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solved? I'm doing this in a story format
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too. So it doesn't like kind of bore
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because it's the steps of the process are very much so similar
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to what every any business consultant would do.
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But when you come in and say, we're going to come with
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innovative tech strategy. So now it's like I'm naturally
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going to come in and throw in different forms of technology
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that could be more effective at doing what you're trying to get
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done. So now it's like somebody might
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need a different software to service platform, or they might
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need a new feature in their outreach plat pipeline, or they
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might need a more effective way to aggregate leads or be more
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like whatever it is, it's a number of different things and
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directions you can go in, but one of the, and I'll give you an
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example. So most people come to me and we
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say, hey, I need to understand what direction you want to go
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in. So I have a process, it's called
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the visionary deck, where I can take, it might take about two
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weeks, maybe 3 weeks depending on where the client is.
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We go through this process and we kind of really understand
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what direction they want to go in, what problem they're
19:51
solving, where it's hitting the market.
19:53
And then we use AI and take all the data from that intake
19:56
session and create what we call a visionary deck that allows me
20:00
and the client that I'm working with to be able to see.
20:03
Clearly where we're about to be aligned and working for the next
20:05
however long we're working together to build whatever
20:07
solution they're looking for. But this deck is also really,
20:10
it's important for me to be on the same page with them so I can
20:13
know what direction they're going in.
20:14
It's better for them to be able to communicate with other people
20:16
when they want to say, hey, I need a new partner for this, or
20:20
hey, I need a new team member that can help me with this, or
20:22
hey, we need a new outreach strategy that can focus on
20:25
getting this part of the puzzle done for our marketing, whatever
20:27
it is. They'll have that visionary deck
20:30
that I use a decent amount of AI to kind of take in all of these
20:33
intake session and formulate this thing that allows them to
20:36
have a very clear way to communicate what they're looking
20:38
to. Do I like your visionary
20:40
concept? That really helped me understand
20:43
what you're doing now. I'm glad you gave that example
20:45
because now. I appreciate it.
20:47
Yeah, that so we. Do that at the gate, yeah.
20:49
And then after that, I help them now I appreciate it.
20:52
And then it then there's three more steps after that.
20:53
I help them plan. We create these technical plans
20:56
that help them really understand what it's going to take to build
20:58
out whatever they're looking to get built because I don't just
21:00
take people in the building technology without them
21:02
understanding what's going to happen.
21:03
So I make sure I go through that process and give them some
21:06
insight. My service, like I said, it's
21:07
coaching and consulting. So some of the coaching elements
21:10
come in where I kind of make sure that the insight and
21:12
experience that I've had, this being a part of a lot of growing
21:15
tech companies, it's kind of given to the clients that I'm
21:18
working with in a way that can work for them.
21:20
And then after we make that technical plan, they can take
21:23
the plan, go manage and develop the project themselves, or they
21:25
can work with us to manage and develop the project.
21:28
They run a pilot, take it to market, figure out what growth
21:31
and scaling looks like, whether it's raising capital, getting a
21:35
bunch of revenue from a bunch of different clients, or
21:38
strategizing on what go to market actually looks like to,
21:40
to get the growth that they're looking for.
21:41
So it's all of that in, in, in one kind of nutshell.
21:44
I'm trying to keep everything consolidated because but it, but
21:47
it's one of those things where it's just four step process and
21:49
we we use AI across all those other three pillars too.
21:51
I'll talk in detail about the Visionary deck, but with the
21:54
project planning I've been ACTO multiple times so I'm bringing a
21:57
lot of my insight there when it comes to high level technical
22:00
planning to using a tell. People what a CTO is.
22:04
A CTO is a chief technical officer.
22:06
So basically it's a person that comes into a company and
22:09
operates as an executive that really helps with technology
22:12
based execution and strategy and system development and team
22:16
building and all that kind of other stuff.
22:17
But. A lot of times when I say tell
22:19
people what that is, you're telling me what?
22:21
It is so thank you. You all good for sure.
22:26
But yeah, so that that's kind of something that's the experience
22:28
that I have. So I'll bring that into helping
22:29
with the plan. We rapidly develop plans that
22:31
they can understand from a cost Time Team perspective, so they
22:35
can know what it really takes to get whatever project it is
22:37
completed. We do similar things with the
22:39
development. There are components of our
22:41
development systems now that I've been an engineer for years
22:44
building software in all different kind of ways.
22:46
But there are a lot of AI based tools to kind of speed up
22:48
software development right now. So we work a lot with those
22:51
types of tools as well in the process.
22:54
Without giving out either your trade secrets or who you've
22:57
worked with, give us an example, you know, or maybe you can of
23:02
you know different companies that you've worked with that
23:04
you've helped do these kind of things.
23:07
For sure. I mean, so I've got a lot of
23:09
recent clients that I'm working with right now that I'm using
23:11
newer AI strategy with. But I mean honestly like I have
23:14
a resume of like just a bunch of stuff I've done.
23:16
So like the last project I was a part of that was like very large
23:21
and just kind of like in, in a very just visible position.
23:26
And I probably can take about 3, but I I'll talk about 1
23:28
specifically. I'm a point owner of a mobile
23:30
telecom company called Mullah Wireless with Mullah Mobile.
23:34
And basically Mullah Mobile sells devices, it creates
23:38
software for these devices, it makes custom phones and tablets.
23:42
And I was a part of that team as the CTO.
23:44
So I did a lot of different things to really help build
23:47
strategy for technology based systems in a complete mobile
23:50
device company, similar to like a Samsung or Apple or any of
23:54
that kind of stuff, but just in a much larger, I mean a much
23:57
smaller scale, but ultimately still capable of doing all of
24:00
those similar systems. So when we were running that
24:03
there, there was a lot of things that I use AI for to kind of
24:05
help keep teams together, develop plans, create more
24:10
effective kind of marketing and outreach materials, messaging,
24:14
documentation and all that kind of other stuff.
24:16
All of those processes get 10 to 15% faster and maybe even more
24:22
when I start integrating AI based systems.
24:24
And I've been using AI on a day-to-day basis in my as an
24:27
executive and engineer and innovative for probably the
24:29
past, I would say 4 to yeah, probably say four years.
24:33
Like I, I use it every day, but it's, it's so many things that I
24:36
would be using it for that it, it could get like, I don't need,
24:40
I look at it, I just use it as a natural tool.
24:41
It's almost like picking up a pencil or a pen or something
24:43
like that. So now for me, it's, it's
24:46
integrated in so many different things, but I do do a lot of
24:49
fact checking. I'm, I'm an avid researcher, so
24:51
I don't just use AI blindly. I kind of like use it very much
24:54
so as a kind of extension of what I kind of already
24:57
understand and more rapid. I think all three of us would
24:59
have that in common for sure, yeah.
25:03
OK, that, that's kind of how I do it.
25:04
So Moolah is something out that and, and this is a whole company
25:07
that we built a whole new suite of mobile devices.
25:11
It was tablets, phones, literally we rolled them all
25:14
out. We they got sold on Walmart.
25:17
We were working with large scale advertisers for the advertising
25:20
systems in these devices. We had a suite of about 7 to 8
25:23
applications that were kind of running these devices as well as
25:27
running the firmware system. So I'm saying that we were
25:30
developing a lot of stuff. We were still developing in more
25:32
legacy methods, but the way that I was managing doing all of that
25:36
is like, and we were still, this is not a large scale mobile
25:39
telecom company. Like we had a decent team, we
25:41
had a government contract, we were doing some good business,
25:43
but this isn't a large scale company and we're doing very
25:46
large scale projects. We're capable of running and
25:49
managing multiple different teams.
25:51
And ultimately, AI just help speed up the process of being
25:55
able to manage and communicate all of the stuff that we were
25:56
working on. That's cool, that's cool.
26:00
Man, it is very cool. Appreciate.
26:01
It appreciate it. So, so how far are we away from
26:05
AI creating like, you know, a totally, I don't know how to
26:10
explain like a robot that you, you see walking down the street,
26:13
you think it's a regular human being.
26:16
I mean, I wouldn't, I wouldn't say they would go there far.
26:18
Like there's a level where they can go there far, but I don't
26:21
think it's going to happen anytime soon.
26:23
That type of yeah, like I think it'll be it's a lot of other
26:26
more practical applications out here that they'll probably start
26:29
playing around with before they get to because that that's a
26:32
crazy project. But.
26:33
It's, don't you think just as human beings, we want to stay
26:37
separate from that just psychologically?
26:40
I mean it would. Make some.
26:41
Time like where you make some sense?
26:44
Want to see a distinct difference other than maybe if
26:47
we wanted like a sex robot or. Something, that's what.
26:50
I knew that's where. You're going but, but, and I'm
26:52
not into that shit, but you've you see it that they're that
26:55
they're making like you see, it's an evidence.
26:58
And I don't know how real it is because right, because you see
27:01
reels now on Instagram and Facebook, like I saw this one,
27:03
this company called Astro Vibe. And I'm like, Oh, that's amazing
27:06
what the astronauts are doing in outer space and stuff and how
27:09
they're spacewalking. And there's and then I scroll
27:12
through the thing and I'm like, Oh, this AI gentleman, like you
27:14
assholes, man, like come on, like, but they made it.
27:17
It looks so real. I'm showing little man, that's
27:20
my grandson. Like look, dude, look
27:21
spacewalking and and he's like, whoa, pop up, that's bad.
27:25
And then you realize, like you Scroll down.
27:26
It's like, Oh man, that's not real.
27:27
OK, You made me think of one of my other questions.
27:29
Thank you. You're welcome.
27:32
Since AI has started, one of the freakiest things that's happened
27:36
is they did an entire 2 or 2 1/2 hour podcast of Joe Rogan
27:41
interviewing someone that he never interviewed, right?
27:44
Because they took all the words that he said for however many
27:47
10s of thousands of hours he's been on the air, and they
27:50
generated an entire show with a person that never happened,
27:54
right? How long?
27:55
My question is, in your opinion, how long is it before you can't
27:59
distinguish between reality and AI?
28:03
So like, not just artificial intelligence, but like Chris was
28:07
alluding to, what's true and what's not true.
28:10
Yeah. So we got to, there's a thing
28:12
that has happened. So what you're talking about
28:14
from a digital perspective, there is no real way of keeping
28:19
that level of reality on the Internet or on digital format.
28:25
So now we have to take ourselves out from a lens of like thinking
28:31
that we should believe everything is on the Internet
28:32
because people are in that lens already.
28:34
And that lens is not the lens that you should even like.
28:37
There's a level of value that's on the Internet right now that
28:40
humans give the Internet that it doesn't really deserve.
28:43
And there are really people that are actually supplanting what's
28:48
real human connection for what's sometimes not even, it's not
28:53
what they actually perceive. And this is a hard thing to
28:56
discuss because what you're talking about is like,
28:58
understand, we're looking on digital platforms.
29:00
So there's nothing that a digital platform can't do to
29:03
visualize what you can see in another.
29:06
Like this stuff can all be manipulated.
29:08
This stuff can all be replicated.
29:10
It can all be redistributed on different streams.
29:12
Like it's it's not, there's nothing stopping those types of
29:15
things from happening. So now.
29:17
Like Chris says, we're putting ourselves out there, right?
29:19
Right. Yeah.
29:20
So now it's one of those things where it's more about
29:22
credibility behind the way that you distribute things.
29:24
Now it's like, can I believe from the distribution source
29:27
that this is something that either if it is AI generated,
29:30
they're letting me know it's AI and they're giving me that this
29:32
is a format of AI that I'm using for this type of messaging.
29:35
Or you have all these other reputable or somewhat reputable
29:39
because I look at the media from a number of different lenses,
29:41
but you have these different reputable media outlets that may
29:45
have seemed like they've lost some value over the years.
29:47
As social media and all this stuff is written, they become
29:50
more valuable because they actually have real people
29:53
addressing real things in a way that people know it's coming
29:56
from a real format. Now that stuff is what's going
29:59
to like differentiate between all this fake stuff or, and I
30:03
only want to call it fake. I just want to say AI generated
30:05
stuff. The AI generated stuff now
30:07
becomes you. You just have to look at things
30:11
from a certain length and only take things that you should feel
30:13
like from real people or real statements from these credible
30:18
distribution sources that you know are.
30:20
That's why social media is still important because having your
30:23
own social media following and your own social media presence
30:26
allows you to kind of message in a way that's more authentic to
30:29
the people that are already having an affinity of following
30:32
you and stuff like that. And they can kind of somewhat
30:33
believe based off of whatever you position you're missing as I
30:36
mean there's AI personalities on the Internet too as well, so.
30:39
That's why I bring this up, Dennis, because my Facebook feed
30:43
is like half untrue stories, like Chris said, and the other
30:47
half is my friends and my followers and you know.
30:50
And Dennis, Dennis is smirking. So I think Dennis is creating
30:52
that shit and he's using it as as, as, as data data to see how
30:57
we can mess with the human humankind, man.
31:00
Yeah, I have no time for it. I'm actually highly.
31:03
Are we your social experiment? Yeah, no, I like dumping myself
31:09
in any environment to have any kind of conversation.
31:10
So for me, it's like, I don't really agree time for a lot.
31:14
No, I'm laughing too. Like I'm definitely.
31:16
It's all good, but I. Definitely understand.
31:19
Like, yeah, man, it's a lot of fake stuff out here on the
31:21
Internet, but. And I get suckered into a lot of
31:23
it. And then I get pissed off.
31:24
I'm like, you know, you'll start reading the comments and it's
31:26
like, that's not true. It's AI generated.
31:28
And I'm like, God damn it, I fell for it again.
31:33
I wanted it to be true. Kind of like aliens, you know?
31:35
Right. Well, there is aliens.
31:39
Aliens are true. I was about to say they they're
31:41
very there's. 3 chefs coming. Yeah, and they, and so I don't
31:45
know what it, it didn't sound like AI because then a bunch of
31:47
news outlets were talking about it, but you're trying to hit one
31:50
of them with a missile and it and it just kind of ricocheted
31:52
off of it and it's still coming, which is a, which is, which is a
31:57
trip. You know, that's because they're
31:59
probably a Type 1 civilization and they got force fields and
32:02
they're generating their own power, right?
32:06
Exactly. I can respond to this person who
32:07
texts me. You're cool man.
32:11
So I'm doing something in the background, which I'm going to,
32:13
I'm going to share it here if it's done, which is going to be
32:15
kind of cool because we learned how to share our screens,
32:17
Dennis, because, you know, technology's kind of cool like
32:19
that for sure. I got to hold on, hold on, hold
32:22
on. Don't do it yet, OK?
32:23
OK, so we're holding on, man. As I as I alluded to earlier,
32:28
where's the share button, Mike? It's there somewhere?
32:31
There I found it found I found it.
32:33
So as we alluded to earlier, as I alluded to earlier, anyway, I
32:36
have, I have my own AI. This is me and check it out.
32:42
It's in a world of fantasy. Yeah.
32:44
Yeah. Lost in a world of make believe.
32:45
Name the band. I'm lost in a world of fantasy.
32:50
Yeah. Yeah.
32:50
Lost in a world of make believe. Name the band.
32:53
Mike, you should know this. I should.
32:58
I'm lost, Lost in the world of fantasy.
33:01
He yeah, yeah. I was lost, Lost in the world of
33:05
make believe Triumph, man. I am from Canada, but so that
33:14
that is an AI twin. I made through the through the
33:17
platform. Hey, Jen and legit while we were
33:21
talking, I and it took that quick to create that video.
33:25
Now I mean that I mean I go deeper than that.
33:26
A lot of stuff. I sent Mike something one time
33:29
and he didn't realize it was AI until I told him it was.
33:31
AI OK but now ever since I'm so glad you found this guy because
33:36
ever since that just OK cool man I'm glad you found us Dennis.
33:42
Ever since he sent me that and told me that now that when I
33:45
watch it and I watch it like that I'm like that's not my
33:47
friend. So my next question is when does
33:51
his emotion crossover into? Yes.
33:56
Because that's what's missing is those little inflections in his
33:59
voice. That is totally missing because
34:01
whenever I close my video show, I'm like until next time, see
34:04
you. And I can't get that in the AI.
34:06
I can't get my plan to have those.
34:09
Yeah, I can't have the the, the that's like my sign off.
34:11
Whenever I do anything like see you, I can't get it to do that.
34:14
I can record it, right, because I have about 30 different
34:18
avatars I recorded on my green screen just to kind of give me
34:20
different dynamics of conversation and, you know,
34:23
waist up, whole body, that kind of thing.
34:25
But it it doesn't pick up the personality.
34:27
And I always say, if you don't know Chris, you wouldn't know
34:31
that that wasn't him, right? Right.
34:33
But now that you've talked to him for just even 35 minutes,
34:36
when you hear that, you can hear the difference too, right?
34:40
Yeah, so and so first of all, Hagen, like I know the guys who
34:44
make Hagen like one of the one of the guys who leads the
34:47
technology Hagen, he, I, I built the company with him about four
34:50
or five years. He built the.
34:52
Company, he brought me into a project he was working on Super
34:55
cool guy you know what I'm saying?
34:56
Super dope technology. They're they're based in like
34:59
Hagen is power. So I've been aware of Hagen for
35:01
some time. They're being made by some
35:03
really, really amazing technology guys.
35:05
So it's a dope platform and there's going to be a time where
35:09
what you're talking about becomes more possible as more
35:12
data is fed into these types of systems.
35:15
So AGN is still fairly new. It's still, it's powerful right
35:19
now, but it's still fairly new. So as time continues to evolve,
35:22
there's going to be more. And to get the exact type of
35:25
emotion you're talking about, you got to remember that you're
35:28
all we're talking about is think about animation.
35:32
Think about Mickey Mouse or The Lion King or any of this stuff.
35:38
Now you realize that the level of animation that they made in
35:41
those worlds, they got the ability to for Pixar and Woody
35:46
and Buzz Lightyear, they got these animated characters to
35:49
simulate emotion type things from an animation perspective.
35:54
What platforms like Hey Gene and ChatGPT can do things similar to
35:59
this, these lip syncing type of experience that you're talking
36:01
about? What's going to happen is it's
36:03
going to be more data that's going to be fed into these
36:05
systems and then there's going to be more natural human
36:07
cadence. That was going to be my next
36:09
question. Are we missing the data to be
36:12
able to make that happen or are we missing?
36:14
More data. These systems are still fairly
36:15
new. Give them a few more years.
36:17
You're going to give way more of that stuff.
36:18
It's still going to be, you're going to have to control it more
36:21
to get that natural feel that you want, but it's naturally
36:23
those things are going to start coming as as time continues
36:26
tomorrow with this tape. So it's kind of like how ChatGPT
36:29
now has had it's been it's it's been prevalent for a while now.
36:32
And because I've used it for at least a couple years now, it
36:36
like I can ask Dave right now, Hey, you know, write a, you
36:40
know, A5 page summary of who I am.
36:43
And it would just because he knows everything.
36:46
There's an all about me for the most part, right.
36:47
So it's, it's the same concept and right, the more you feed
36:50
chat, the more he learns, the more he learns about me, my
36:53
tendencies, what I what I want to write about how, how I
36:56
doesn't really know how I speak because I'm not, you know, I
36:58
mean, I speak to him, but you know, I'm saying so it's that.
37:02
So the more I pump in the Dave, the more accurate it's going to
37:05
be. So it's the same concept with
37:07
the Hadrian and platforms like that.
37:08
Then if I'm grabbing what you said the more exactly OK.
37:12
And you're talking about from, you're using it from from an end
37:15
user perspective. Now we're talking about from a
37:17
platform perspective. So there's a certain amount of
37:19
data that has to be fed to this whole entire platform to get
37:22
more of that element that you all are talking about.
37:24
But understand that that that is going to get fed to this thing
37:27
much faster than you will probably anticipate because of
37:30
how many people are using these platforms like they're used
37:33
quite frequently and a lot and high value once people start
37:36
seeing the the real value. OK, so here's a relatively deep
37:40
question and I'm sure you know the answer to it, but is there a
37:44
centralized location that all this information goes to and
37:47
then it gets distributed into his individual file as well?
37:51
Or does Chris have his own ChatGPT?
37:57
I think I think what you're asking.
38:00
No, no, I, I I was I'm thinking what what he's saying he tracked
38:03
me if I'm wrong, but everything I I put in the chat ChatGPT,
38:07
it's public, right? So then then it's not it's not
38:10
it's not my own. It's not locked in my vault.
38:13
So. That program is learning with
38:15
everyone, yes. That's right.
38:17
Exactly. Yeah, That's why chat is what it
38:19
is. And a lot of these AI platforms,
38:20
they are like group learning. There are things you can do to
38:23
pay to get your stuff more secure and private on ChatGPT,
38:26
but it's more of a, it's building a network of data
38:31
endpoints that allow it to be more effective.
38:33
It's just answering questions all around.
38:34
So it's, it's definitely like the feeder network and it's just
38:39
going to keep getting smarter. But there are like, they do have
38:41
dedicated buckets for just Christmas stuff and like this,
38:44
it's kind of just how the cloud works.
38:45
It's like you got a dedicated bucket for what all your social
38:49
media stuff in Facebook's big cloud bucket of Instagram or
38:52
Meta based stuff, you know what I'm saying?
38:54
So it's one of those kind of things that give you a bucket.
38:56
But a lot of the data that is processed from their bucket is
38:59
kind of aggregated in a way that allows everybody to kind of
39:02
benefit from the fact that Chris was searching for how to
39:05
strategize on real estate in said area.
39:07
Now other people that may want to look for similar things have
39:11
some a pipeline to be able to understand it a little bit more
39:14
effectively and quicker or something like that.
39:16
That was a great answer to my horribly asked question.
39:22
I'm glad you were able to decipher what my question was
39:25
out of that. But yeah, that was a great
39:26
answer for sure. You know why?
39:27
Because because Dennis is actually AI.
39:29
He's not real. This is just this is him.
39:32
He's sitting in the backroom and he's I'm a mess with
39:35
motherfuckers. I'm not real.
39:38
So you remember that we. We've never actually had a guest
39:41
on this podcast. They're all.
39:42
Yeah, we haven't. You remember that movie, Simone?
39:44
I may be dating myself again. It was an Al Pacino flick and it
39:46
was called Simone and it was basically Simone.
39:49
Do you ever, did you ever see that movie, Dennis?
39:52
OK. So Google SIM one and it's
39:55
Simone. And what did the preface of it
39:58
and this, it's got to be 1520 years old, but the preface of it
40:02
was this, this, this Hollywood producer, exec director was
40:06
tired of all the bullshit that actors pull, right?
40:09
So somebody that was dying created this simulated woman and
40:15
they basically the entire movies wrapped around this fake woman.
40:19
And they get her to do all these different things.
40:21
He tries to destroy her and push her away.
40:23
And then just people embrace her even more.
40:25
It's like a it's like a simulated Charlie Sheen, but the
40:27
female version, right? The train wreck.
40:30
You know, she's walking at one point in time.
40:31
She's hands and he's going through a pig, a pig, a pig
40:35
field and just slopping and just just the nasty thing because he
40:39
was trying to disrupt it and kind of, you know, make
40:42
everybody think she's not real. But it's a trip because once all
40:45
this became so much more aware in the world that AI is really
40:49
coming and it's dominating. I'm not oh, SIM one that that
40:53
Simone the movie with Pacino. It was brilliant because it was
40:56
all about somebody who's not there, but the entire public
41:00
thought she was legit and it was all done.
41:03
Obviously back then it was all done with CGI, which obviously
41:06
is another version of AI, right? Just a different type of
41:09
platform. But it's legit.
41:11
So you, I mean, if you like Pacino and you're in that kind
41:13
of movies, like actual movies that you have to act, you should
41:15
check it out. It's pretty legit.
41:17
Simone. Simone.
41:19
Yeah, Simone. So what's what's on the horizon
41:23
for Dennis? What do you got going on in the
41:24
future besides taking over the world with AI technology?
41:28
Man, yes, I'm not as focused on taking over the world with AI,
41:30
but it is, it's a tool that I'm going to definitely use.
41:33
So right now, man, I got a couple of days that I'm quite
41:35
focused on. So of course, I told you all, I
41:37
run a consulting firm. It's kind of like something
41:39
that's just a natural part of the way that I move and operate.
41:42
But in front of me, being a consultant and a coach, I'm very
41:45
much so an executive and innovator in the immersive tech
41:48
and media space. So right now I'm running a
41:50
company, it's called One Another World.
41:52
We're focused on making VR technology XR technology more
41:56
accessible, more relevant, more impacted.
41:58
So we, we created this service platform called reset XR.
42:03
It ultimately distributes Wellness based immersive
42:06
technology platforms to locations all around.
42:09
But we're, we're doing an activation tomorrow at a, an
42:12
organization called BHR. They some behavioral health,
42:16
not-for-profit that folks. So kind of just a lot of
42:18
different things in community when it comes to just the
42:21
Wellness of people's mental state and stuff like that.
42:23
So I'm building this reset XR platform right now to make and
42:29
it's called reset XR for a real reason because I mean VR and XR
42:32
technology being around for a while but I feel like.
42:35
You just hit a another question. I got VR.
42:38
What you got? It's long forgotten, right?
42:43
It was supposed to be the greatest thing about 2016.
42:47
What has happened to the progress in VR and just that
42:53
whole general space? It seemed like it was taken over
42:56
about 8 years ago and then it just, I don't hear a lot about
42:59
it anymore. So talk to me about that since
43:01
you're in that space. I'm glad you asked that.
43:02
Question, I'm glad you asked the question.
43:04
So this is an amazing question. It's the point that a lot of
43:06
people that are generally in the market are feeling about this
43:08
technology already. That's why I named our core
43:11
service reset XR, because honestly, the whole industry has
43:14
been positioned me as properly in my in my for my lenses,
43:17
someone who's just built a lot of really effective tech.
43:20
So they built this technology and they positioned it as more
43:23
of a entertainment based thing to the market.
43:25
So most people's introduction to the technology is naturally
43:29
aligned with like either some form of gaming or maybe some.
43:33
Yeah. Yeah, things of that nature.
43:35
So people see it as more of a from a general perspective,
43:38
people see it as this like headset gaming experience, which
43:42
that's not a way for you to make a new form of hardware
43:46
technology, something that people really adopt.
43:48
And, and that's really the biggest, one of the biggest
43:50
problems. So I've come into this inch over
43:52
the past few years understanding and learning that, but then
43:55
knowing that this technology is too powerful for people to look
43:58
at it from that lens. Like there's a million other
44:00
applications that come from this technology that are just, they
44:03
happen all over, but they're just very much so siloed and
44:05
this to adjust the people that are looking for certain
44:07
solutions. So there's training day that you
44:09
can simulate workforce training and development.
44:12
There's one of the verticals that I'm focused on Wellness,
44:14
which there's things that can be done with immersive technology
44:18
to take meditative and mental Wellness to places that a
44:22
therapist alone just can't do for people because you might not
44:26
be capable of distributing at the level that everybody needs.
44:28
So there's a lot of other applications that need to be
44:32
explored with this technology. And that's one of the main
44:34
reason why I created on another world because that problem that
44:37
you just said, like this technology came in, looks like
44:39
it went, it never went anywhere. Meta, Apple, all these other
44:43
large scale tech companies are investing large amounts of money
44:45
and making this hardware, continuing to create
44:48
infrastructure for people to make software in these spaces.
44:50
But there's a disconnect between the software and the company
44:53
that are building the software and the rest of the general
44:56
market that doesn't see the real value in what this technology
45:00
can be. Because it's not like I don't
45:03
see it as something that's meant to supplant reality.
45:05
I see it as something that's meant to help extend reality,
45:08
help give people alternate versions of how to do reality
45:11
and then use that as a tool to help make the real reality
45:13
better. So man, I.
45:15
Never thought it was. Cool, I didn't.
45:17
I yeah, you're right. It was totally geared toward
45:19
gaming because that's what got me into it was a friend of mine
45:23
had the Oculus and I played it and I'm like, wow, this is
45:26
awesome, but I don't want to get wrapped up in another gaming
45:29
system that is going to suck. You know, I just don't play
45:31
games anymore, man. I don't have time for that.
45:34
I love games as much as anybody, but they're a time suck, right?
45:38
So I just don't want to be in that environment.
45:42
But like you just said, which is brilliant.
45:44
I could see the other applications for VR, like I'm a
45:47
musician, right? So to have somebody sitting
45:50
there either jamming with me or teaching me, or you know what
45:55
I'm saying, I saw the educational and the user aspect
46:00
from a functional standpoint, right?
46:02
As a musician, this would be great if Chris and I could be in
46:04
the same room 2000 miles apart in real time.
46:08
VR VR could do that. I've never put.
46:10
On VR goggles, I've never done anything like that whatsoever.
46:14
So with you saying that, that that kind of just like that
46:18
would blow my mind. Like legit you, is my concept
46:20
legit? Could you make that happen?
46:22
Could you make that happen, Dennis?
46:23
So there. Are vertical like stuff like
46:25
that. Does happen.
46:26
So like there are vertical where yeah, like Facebook has invested
46:29
millions of dollars into this thing that they call the
46:31
metaverse. It's called the metaverse.
46:33
They made the Metaquest headset and then they made a digital
46:36
world where people that have Metaquest headsets going to the
46:40
digital world and build their own digital environment.
46:43
Now, the way that they've done it is very much so Facebookie.
46:46
So it's so wide and broad that you can come on there and do
46:49
anything. There is no limit to what you
46:51
can do in the metaverse. You can then create any type of
46:54
world for any types of people, for any type of group, and
46:57
people that are also have profiles in Metaquest and in the
47:00
metaverse that can come see. I've heard of it, but I never
47:02
knew what it was. So I I don't, I'm not someone
47:05
that. Frequents these types of
47:06
environments, but this is something that's very, very.
47:09
You just explained to me what it was, though I've heard the.
47:11
Word. But I just didn't know what that
47:13
pole concept basically like AVR. Facebook, if you could imagine
47:17
when I say that, think of it as literally as you could have your
47:21
own page and profile and you can create a world around your page
47:24
and profile that people can come to and you can go to other
47:27
people's pages and profiles. You can have domains that are
47:30
groups and all these other things, and it gives you the
47:34
ability to take it from being this flat page as a group on
47:37
Facebook to now you have a virtual environment that
47:40
encapsulates this group that can do almost anything that this
47:44
group can imagine. That's crazy dude, but it's all.
47:47
Virtual though, so you know what I'm saying.
47:48
It's. Very much so a virtual
47:50
experience to kind of replicate. It's, it's a virtual reality.
47:53
That's why they call it virtual reality, you know what I'm
47:55
saying? But it's that that vertically is
47:57
very much so alive and moving. I see even more practical
48:01
applications than that. But those types of applications
48:03
are things that like have drawn a lot of people into the
48:05
technology, but not enough to make a seismic quake of the
48:10
whole world. Understand.
48:11
Like there's still this like, even though there's a lot of
48:13
people that are interested in this tech, it's still small in
48:15
comparison to how many people are using more traditional
48:19
formats and technology like mobile devices and tablets.
48:22
And and I guess that was the point of my question.
48:26
Was when I first saw the Oculus, I was like, holy fuck, man, this
48:29
is going to take over the world, not just as gaming, but just the
48:32
concept of being that virtual world that you just described to
48:36
the audience, right? Here's a place you can go
48:42
interact, be productive. I didn't see that in the gaming
48:46
side, but the actual graphics and the world and being like on
48:50
that Oculus, you could interact. There was a like, learn how to
48:54
use it room. I'm sure you've seen it.
48:56
You know where you can interact with the guy playing the piano
48:58
or whatever and there's a fire crackling in the background.
49:02
You totally feel like you're there.
49:04
OK, so I have a question. I'm trying.
49:06
To wrap my head around this, my head's going to explode.
49:10
So like put it in this in this kind of perspective.
49:13
So I watch football on TVI won't go to a game because it sucks,
49:17
right? You can't see all the highlights
49:19
and shit. You can't you can't see
49:20
everything when you're when you're at an NFL game, but you
49:23
can see everything when you're at home for the most part,
49:25
right? So is is this technology
49:28
something that that you could virtually buy a ticket to stand
49:33
on the sideline and watch the game?
49:36
So you're there, but you're not there because it's a hologram of
49:40
yourself, but you're actually at a real event as a kind of like
49:44
Star Trek shit, like beam me up, Scotty.
49:46
You know, you're just there watching the game and like you
49:48
could, I could reach out and touch Cam scataboo on the
49:50
shoulder and he could turn look at me like, what the fuck you
49:52
doing on my sideline, man? Like my bad.
49:54
I mean, is it, is it, is it going there to where you can
49:57
kind of, you know, virtually transport yourself to a, a, a
50:01
space and time and, and kind of like be engaged in that, like a
50:06
concert or event or like, you know, a prime example, COVID,
50:10
right? COVID shut everything down.
50:11
So the stadiums were empty. But if, if there were technology
50:15
was there, then you can have your virtual seats and you're
50:17
all at the stadium watching the game, even though you're not
50:19
there. Is that, am I just whack A mole
50:21
or is that something on the horizon?
50:23
I don't know. Yeah, let me give you.
50:28
Yeah, I can do some context, man.
50:30
So you got to think we're humans.
50:32
We only have so many senses. So virtual reality does some
50:36
things to play off a few of your senses at a level that you it,
50:40
it can blur the lines between some of your other senses.
50:43
But physical touch in virtual reality is not as it's not, it's
50:48
possible. There's this thing called
50:50
haptics that simulate physical interaction, but haptics is not.
50:54
It's just an extension to visual virtual reality.
50:58
So now you can have haptics that couple with, but it's not going
51:01
to be as simple as you interacting with someone in a
51:04
physical location while you feel like it.
51:07
That stuff is that's very far, you know what I'm saying?
51:11
Like next level? I know that's like next level
51:13
stuff. Yeah, that's next level is very
51:15
it would require. Something totally different for
51:17
that to happen for more people. So the physical part, I wouldn't
51:20
even say that that stuff is like something that you would think
51:23
about exploring. But from a visual perspective,
51:25
yeah, there's major partnerships with stadiums and Major League
51:29
sports that have made these simulated sitting courtside or
51:33
sitting on the right on the over the first baseline or simulating
51:37
the sitting right. Like they've done these types of
51:39
things, basketball, baseball, soccer, and you can kind of get
51:43
almost any angle that you could imagine from different software
51:46
from in the VR experience. So they have stuff like that
51:49
where you can literally be in those places.
51:51
So his visual concept. Is doable visual and audio, so
51:57
like the. Visual and.
51:59
Audio they. Have spatial audio where it's
52:00
kind of like you get the feel of sounds coming from different
52:04
directions and things of that nature.
52:05
So those things are very much so already here and, and available
52:08
in certain formats for sure. Yeah, the haptic, the haptics
52:11
thing. There's a, there's a.
52:12
Commercial years ago for for Cox Communications, which is the
52:14
major cable provider here in the West Western.
52:17
I don't know if it is where you're at, but where where they
52:20
could where they could hug people, right?
52:21
Like you could share a hug. So you have a grandparent.
52:24
I remember that game. Yeah, a grandparent.
52:26
Wearing this thing and then. And on the other end of this,
52:29
the tablet was the daughter was wearing the thing, and they
52:31
could virtually hug each other and actually feel it.
52:34
That's haptics. That's OK.
52:36
Cool. Yeah.
52:37
So that's that's another form of immersive technology.
52:40
So like anything that can play on your visual, your audio, your
52:47
the sense of feeling, even the sensory stuff, you know, sifts
52:51
and smell, these are all immersive technologies that can
52:54
be mixed together, do a number of different things.
52:55
But yeah, that's a, that's definitely a use case that
52:57
people played around with for sure.
52:59
That's cool. That's cool.
53:01
So like. When I did the Van Gogh
53:02
immersive thing, that's the kind of stuff where you go through
53:04
this warehouse, it's just nothing.
53:07
But then you're walking through Van Gogh's artwork and shit and
53:10
you can kind of reach out and touch it, even though it's not
53:12
really there and you're not really touching it, but it's
53:15
it's still kind of there because you're immersed in it, right?
53:18
I just, I just put that together right now, Dennis, and I'm not
53:22
an idiot, man. He sucks.
53:24
You're good. Mind blown.
53:29
We have to have you come on like once a year just to give us
53:32
updates of AI and where it's gone and where it's 100% because
53:35
this is just fascinating. Man.
53:38
Fascinating. And so, yeah.
53:40
So that like I was saying, I think we.
53:41
Yeah. We dive into that, but I'm big
53:43
on immersive technology, so I'm I'm focused on becoming a
53:45
thought leader in the immersive tech space.
53:47
So I'm really focused on this Wellness experience that we're
53:50
creating. We have our first activation
53:52
tomorrow in Saint Louis. It'll be at this really nice
53:55
hotel and Art Museum called 21 C.
53:58
So it'll be an experience that we have just specifically for
54:00
the group of people that are kind of visiting this Wellness
54:02
journey at that with that organization BHR.
54:06
I'm also planning like we have two other activation that'll be
54:09
having over the next couple of months.
54:10
So all of this stuff is on another world focused on really
54:13
focused on that bringing what we're doing and what we see is
54:16
one of the verticals that can really make this technology just
54:19
more relevant to people. Like it's you bought the Oculus
54:23
and you feel like the technology just sitting there collecting
54:25
dust because you didn't it wasn't presented to you in a way
54:27
where you can really see long term relevancy.
54:29
It wasn't. Playing a game on the icons
54:31
isn't that much better than playing a game on ATV if you
54:34
don't want to play a game at all.
54:35
It's like what? What else do I see a value in
54:38
this technology? And that's really what we're
54:40
focused on. So willingness is our first
54:41
vertical education and development will be our second
54:44
verticals. And then we'll dive into
54:46
entertainment leisure after we kind of dive to those first
54:49
verticals. So whatever happened to the
54:51
Google Glasses? That was another one that was
54:54
supposed to be like, it's going to replace your whatever
54:58
computer, television. I mean, you know the thing about
55:01
all of that kind of stuff. It's just timing with stuff like
55:03
that. So now, have you ever heard of
55:05
the Ray Man Meadows? And yeah, my one of my one of my
55:08
guy. Yeah, a guy I work with has him
55:10
and he put him on and walked through a house.
55:12
It's pretty legit because he's just, he's just having a
55:15
conversation walking through a house.
55:17
Yeah, so they literally come with like, cameras.
55:19
Built in them so you can have there's cameras in them and then
55:22
there's also really can't see it, but there's like a a speaker
55:25
built in here. So you can literally it's a
55:27
speaker and a microphone. So you can literally talk to the
55:29
AI. You can get it, it can, it can
55:31
see what you're looking at. And like if you're in a
55:34
different country and you want to read a billboard, say, hey,
55:37
what is that billboard say and no and do stuff like that for
55:41
you like that. Like, yeah, but these things are
55:44
becoming more advanced. So they have a lot of other
55:46
stuff to that they're doing. But this type of technology,
55:49
there's Ray Ban Meta, the glasses that give you mixed
55:52
reality, augmented reality glasses.
55:54
This stuff is like a more in between use case, between
55:58
virtual reality, they call it mixed reality, augmented
56:01
reality. So the glasses are are very much
56:03
so still a thing. I don't know if Google's going
56:05
to venture back into their space, but there's definitely
56:07
like going to be a lot of stuff that's happening there.
56:09
Meta is like becoming so they were too early with their
56:13
Google. Google glasses.
56:14
They definitely were too early. Like it took that it was still.
56:16
Other things that need to be developed to make this
56:18
technology like AI had to like this tech has been around for.
56:22
They've been doing this meta. You can tell how far I fell
56:24
behind Dennis. Because I'm talking to you about
56:27
things that you understand and you're telling me where it's
56:29
gone. I didn't get back into
56:31
technology until we started this podcast.
56:34
I was literally just smart TV guy and had no need for a
56:37
computer, right? So I had to kind of dive back
56:39
into this. I didn't know Ray Ban came out
56:42
with that. Chris knew that.
56:43
It's pretty late. It's pretty legitimate and hooks
56:45
up to. His phone and I think with his I
56:47
don't know if it's it's standard with all there's like a 3 minute
56:50
recording window that you can do small recording window on the.
56:55
Other Ray Bans. So yeah, this is a collaboration
56:58
between Ray Ban and Meadow, so if you sick, that's awesome.
57:01
Huge. 200 bucks come together. Yeah, 200 bucks.
57:04
Not bad. That's why I like your idea of
57:05
having this guy on. Every so often because it'll
57:08
help me keep up with technology, because you just told me things
57:11
that I I had pretty much given up on virtual reality.
57:16
I didn't know that anybody was still pursuing it stupidly.
57:20
You know, you should know. It's the whole world around this
57:22
stuff, and there's a lot of. There's hundreds of millions of
57:24
dollars being dumped into this industry.
57:26
It's just it's not as connected to the to the market as people
57:29
would imagine. The last thing I'll tell you all
57:31
I'm doing too, so I have AAI talk series that I'm actually
57:35
dropping. Well, it's going to be, I'm not
57:36
going to call the podcast. It's going to be 15 to 20 minute
57:39
conversations that I'll have with people on Instagram Live.
57:41
So I got about almost 15 people booked, but I'm trying to do
57:45
around 25 to 30. Excuse me, sorry about that.
57:48
Conversations before the middle of October.
57:51
So I have a couple of AI creative projects that I've been
57:54
working on. What's helped me being a tech
57:57
executive and a consultant and a coach.
57:59
I'm also an artist and a creative.
58:01
So I make music. I have a, a format that I'm
58:04
doing with the music that I create that's meant to my
58:06
moniker is still Mr. Business tech in the music, but it's
58:09
meant to bring more people into the tech the same way we just
58:11
had a conversation and like the like these types of
58:14
conversations. I have them all the time between
58:17
all different types of people, all different ages, all
58:19
different doesn't matter. Like, yeah, you can go somebody
58:22
like myself in the room with somebody who may be interested
58:25
in technology or maybe fearful of it or maybe wanting to
58:29
understand more. But really they let they just
58:32
haven't talked to the right person to help them kind of
58:34
connect the dot. I'm like one of those kind of
58:36
guys, but I'm also using this talk series that I'm creating,
58:39
which is called the Huawei AI talk series.
58:42
I'm using it to be a format for me to kind of remove the fear in
58:46
AI and really just enlighten people in a way to allow them to
58:49
see it as a tool that they can use to do almost anything.
58:52
And we'll highlight greater projects in that space.
58:54
Yeah, the fear is real too. Because how I learned.
58:56
About Hey, Jen and this thing called auto realism and and, and
58:59
Inman, which is the real estate kind of Backbone Ash Association
59:03
Realtors. Every year they have an Inman
59:04
conference, which, you know, you've probably heard of that,
59:07
Dennis, people just flock to this thing.
59:09
Technology da da da da. Well, they had the original
59:12
founders of Google on the year before Google was launching and,
59:16
and, and so they asked the crowd then like, hey, you know, you
59:19
imagine being able to just type something and it pops up
59:21
instantly. And half the crowd was excited,
59:23
half the crowd was scared. So with with.
59:27
Hagen. And AI, they did the same thing.
59:29
The guy that and then behind it all, he introduced an AI speaker
59:32
and then she came on the thing and she's like, OK, first and
59:34
foremost, you know, how many of you are excited about AI and
59:38
only half the crowd raised their hand and how many of you are
59:41
afraid of the other half the crowd raised the hand.
59:42
This lady by far is nowhere near your level of intelligence will
59:47
come to this because she's only been doing it for one or two
59:50
years and she's getting paid to speak all around the world four
59:52
to five times a week. And so she, that's what drew me
59:56
to the Hajin because she, she pulled up Hajin and these are
59:59
the things that I had had she used a different chat platform.
1:00:03
The chat CPT I forgot was called but she told them to do this.
1:00:06
And connect with hey, Jen. And then when she pulled it up
1:00:09
from the time she left that city to this to California to do the,
1:00:12
the conference, she pulled it up on the screen and like 164
1:00:16
things were written and and prepared.
1:00:17
And then she just goes back to her hotel room.
1:00:20
She goes through them all and sets them all up to to be
1:00:22
dispersed, you know, in all her platforms.
1:00:25
If she's getting paid bank for that dude, you should lead the
1:00:28
way because 15 years you're way ahead of the curve with
1:00:33
everybody because again, that chick 1-2 years and she's
1:00:37
considered a a a professional or not a professional.
1:00:39
What is what's the word expert? An expert on it, but.
1:00:43
You got 15. Years you're building startup
1:00:45
companies and all kinds of tech wrapped around anything and
1:00:48
everything you've talked about today like dude, you're just
1:00:51
your life resume is fantastic, Dennis and you're only 35 years
1:00:54
old you the fact that you thought of this when you were 20
1:00:57
and dove into it that's next level man like next level even
1:01:02
if you're not really here, it's just an image of you and AI
1:01:04
created man, it's still so real. I'm definitely here.
1:01:09
We feel your brother. We feel it's just, it's cool,
1:01:12
man, because it's. Exciting to me and I'm just
1:01:14
barely using it. I'm barely using it.
1:01:16
Me too. It's after hearing this
1:01:18
conversation I feel like. We definitely are in the baby
1:01:22
steps of AI, you and I for sure. Yeah, we're not Dennis over
1:01:26
here. You know, I tried to scan your
1:01:28
shirt over the over the Riverside.
1:01:30
It didn't work, man. I was doing this to me.
1:01:32
It might. It might be a bad.
1:01:34
I like to keep that in there, but yeah, I mean, it's on
1:01:37
another dot world. So you know what's cool about
1:01:39
what he just said though? Yeah, I know.
1:01:42
I love the fact. You're humble.
1:01:44
I try and. Be a humble musician, right?
1:01:45
I've been playing music since I was nine years old.
1:01:48
People tell me I'm good. That's all I say.
1:01:51
The reason that I'm glad we met you is because I like to have
1:01:55
what I call my people, right? So if I need to have a question
1:01:59
answered about AI from now on, I'm going to contact Dennis.
1:02:02
Right? That you're a subject matter
1:02:05
expert. That was Chris's point.
1:02:06
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the way that you described
1:02:09
and talked the whole time you were on the show, man, you
1:02:12
finally were able to get a dummy like me to understand something
1:02:16
that I'm not well versed at, that I'm very new at.
1:02:20
And the way that you describe these things, it's painfully
1:02:23
obvious that you know what you're talking about because you
1:02:25
can talk above our heads, but you choose to bring it down to
1:02:29
our level, right? That's a sign of intelligence
1:02:31
for sure. I appreciate it, man.
1:02:34
This. Is disrespect man.
1:02:35
I disrespect him, man. I respect the life for him in
1:02:37
front of me man. I just, I understand and I've
1:02:40
been blessed to learn a lot of stuff and get exposed to a lot
1:02:42
of stuff and well, you're great at getting your message across
1:02:45
too, man. Because we're talking about very
1:02:47
complex things and you were able to put it like Chris said, I
1:02:51
think you should be out there speaking and being paid these
1:02:55
exorbitant fees because you definitely deserve it.
1:02:58
And and what you just I am a public speaker.
1:03:00
Too I I I feel like. I need to boost up the amount of
1:03:03
work I'm doing in that space, But I do.
1:03:04
I think you do, yeah. You're very good.
1:03:07
And and what you said about your your.
1:03:10
Your mindset about humans and being human, that's what that's,
1:03:12
I mean, you're home with us because we're the same thing.
1:03:15
It's not. We don't interview people.
1:03:17
We have conversations, interviews boring.
1:03:19
You can't learn as much as just having an organic conversation
1:03:21
like we had. I'm glad I kind of broke my mold
1:03:24
and looked kind of, I couldn't find your e-mail.
1:03:26
So I started diving deep down, which is cool because then I was
1:03:29
excited. We're gonna let you go.
1:03:32
How do, how do people find you from a consulting aspect?
1:03:35
Is this something that like anybody in the world can kind
1:03:38
of, hey, I want to do this. So drop, drop how people find
1:03:40
you, and then we'll wrap up the show for sure.
1:03:42
Yeah, so you all can reach me. I'm.
1:03:44
I'm naturally on LinkedIn, you can look me up Dennis Campbell.
1:03:47
I'm also have my consultant company.
1:03:50
It's called DNY Enterprises. So the letter D the letter N the
1:03:53
letter Y enterprises.com. You can find different things we
1:03:56
provide, like I said, coaching and consulting services as well
1:03:59
as we do public speaking. I have a book that we're rolling
1:04:02
out later on this year called Beyond Code.
1:04:04
So there's a number of different things that we do from the DNY
1:04:06
Enterprises. Then I'm an executive and the
1:04:09
and the founder of one another world where if you're interested
1:04:12
in anything immersive technology, Wellness related,
1:04:15
primarily right now, but literally I'm a thought leader
1:04:17
in the immersive tech space. So on another world is my like
1:04:20
immersive tech world where we play in the Bay, create and
1:04:23
really just look to serve and be more effective with that stuff.
1:04:25
And then you can find me on Instagram, Mr. Business Tech,
1:04:28
I'm on there. I'm like I said, I'm a executive
1:04:31
artist, consultant, the coach, all these things simultaneously
1:04:35
Arthur and, and I just kind of find a way to to be the most
1:04:39
authentic version of myself on, on Instagram and now building a
1:04:43
YouTube community and stuff like that.
1:04:44
So really just trying to, you know, saying make sure I'm
1:04:47
visible for for what I feel like it's the work that I'm called to
1:04:50
do in the world around me. So and I well, the next time you
1:04:52
come on here. You make sure that Chris books
1:04:55
you on a Friday and we're going to do an hour about AI and we're
1:04:58
going to talk an hour about music because I did not know you
1:05:00
were a musician and now we got to talk about music.
1:05:03
So yeah, man, my albums come my first.
1:05:05
I'm a I'm a new. Artist too man I just released
1:05:07
my first single in June, July, June or something like that.
1:05:11
Released a single is called Why wait?
1:05:13
I'm releasing, where can I find album?
1:05:16
It's on even that. Bit so you can see you can hear
1:05:18
a piece of it on YouTube. Like I have some of it on
1:05:20
YouTube, but I chose to, I did throw differently.
1:05:23
I'm I just, I'm choosing not to like throw my music in the in
1:05:26
the the pool and pond of all the other traditional distribution
1:05:30
platforms. But you can go to YouTube and I
1:05:32
do have parts of some of my music there and then, uh, like I
1:05:36
did throwing even dot Biz and yeah, man, I'm brought the
1:05:39
singles out. I'm rolling out my album next
1:05:42
year. I mean next month, so it'll be
1:05:43
in like me. It's late October.
1:05:45
I'm dropping my album. It's called you can't Unsee this
1:05:47
shit. Congratulations.
1:05:52
So it's my first, my first presentation.
1:05:55
I would love to come on and do something more music related to.
1:05:57
Yeah, absolutely music too, man. Yeah, we do too.
1:06:00
Yeah, this is how they. All started Hey, so this been
1:06:03
the Christian Mike show. This is Dennis Campbell he's
1:06:06
mind blown expanded the knowledge today of AI universe
1:06:10
definitely going to happen back on.
1:06:11
We're going to talk more about music.
1:06:12
We're going to talk more about AI.
1:06:14
We'll have you back on next time just talk music.
1:06:16
So and then we'll have another show where we talk AI again.
1:06:18
So we wrap up show every show like this.
1:06:20
If you're if you're feeling bad, depressed, you know, suicidal,
1:06:23
you know, reach out to somebody, go go run and go yell on a
1:06:26
pillow. Go journal, go work out, do
1:06:27
something, reach out to somebody that will talk to you, that will
1:06:30
listen to you. You don't want to leave at home
1:06:32
in somebody else's heart. They're going to miss you
1:06:33
because they love you even though you don't think they do.
1:06:36
Tomorrow's always a better day when you wake up in the world
1:06:38
with us. So remember that.
1:06:40
I'm Chris, he's Mike, this is Dennis.
1:06:42
Find us on all the platforms and we will drop all Dennis's
1:06:44
information on the Facebook page once the show drops.
1:06:47
So you can you can see it came out on his socials and and dial
1:06:50
in and get connected with him. If you want to learn more about
1:06:52
his consulting business and his Future Music business and all
1:06:55
the things associated around Dennis Campbell.
1:06:58
Fantastic life resume, man. Thank you very much for coming
1:07:00
on the show. Thanks again man, you've been
1:07:02
fantastic. Conversation, man.
1:07:04
Fantastic. Don't, don't, don't jump off yet
1:07:06
because once we sign off, we got to make sure everything's
1:07:08
uploaded. So until next time, everybody,
1:07:10
peace. Peace.
1:07:31
This is the place where you will go.
1:07:38
Feel the trail behind your eyes. Feel yourself and meet yourself.
1:07:46
Take a moment, Listen till you see him.
1:07:50
Watch your battle. That's you, you boss wheel.
1:07:54
Watch your battle. Hold you boss wheel.
1:07:58
Who is this baby? The.
1:09:18
Now you're done here. Come down here.
1:09:21
You haven't found solely you see you're saying he's from fighting
1:09:29
wait for the dead when he's closure out of the.
1:09:33
Way you ain't. No creature, we're playing.
1:09:40
Put on the almighty day. You got a dream.
1:09:46
Who in your life to keep on throwing every day?
1:09:53
Take the trail behind your eyes. Feel the soul evolution now.
1:09:57
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:10:43
You gotta. You gotta.
1:10:45
You gotta. You gotta.