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Patriots Unfiltered 1/3: Previewing Season Finale vs. Jets, Wednesday Practice Update, Looking Ahead to 2024 Season · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: I'm want to pull a Fred. I don't care for it.
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  Speaker 2: It's like a Fred McMurray.
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  Speaker 4: You wear what you want to wear. Fred, don't listen
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  Speaker 4: to them.
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  Speaker 1: So what was up with the hard landing? Though?
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  Speaker 4: Is so he thinks that our pilot heavy Boy is Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: it was trained by top Gun.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. We're also doing mock to to
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  Speaker 1: It's a barrel roll.
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  Speaker 4: The one thing about all of this that's gonna piss
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  Speaker 4: me off the most.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well, no, no, no, I'm not done.
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  Speaker 1: Not done. Hey, Hey, Hey, the game was.
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  Speaker 2: Remarkable, not in an outstanding sense, but just it's worth
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  Speaker 2: making remarks about.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't what did.
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  Speaker 2: He call ourselves the best game day sideline coach in
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  Speaker 2: the history of the modern NFL? Remember that?
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  Speaker 2: All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Wednesday here
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  Speaker 2: at Jillette Stadium. You gotta you gotta kick out of
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  Speaker 2: that hot fall.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, in retrospect and listening to it back, you did
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  Speaker 1: say it right the first time. I just must have
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  Speaker 1: been maybe scrolling to my phone or something. I missed
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  Speaker 1: some pronouns like the he's in the left. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you said it clearly the first time. I just missed it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I might have added a few things there, but
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  Speaker 2: I remember that vividly.
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  Speaker 1: What was it again, The greatest sideline coach in the
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  Speaker 1: modern era, in the history of the modern I believe
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  Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah, I could just say modern era
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  Speaker 1: without the history part.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you also can just say coach, you know, like
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  Speaker 4: it was sideline modern.
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  Speaker 1: Like, oh, so it was it.
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  Speaker 6: I thought it was specifically like sideline when he's on
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  Speaker 6: the sideline, that's when he's at his best.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a lot of a lot of qualifiers
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  Speaker 1: the game. If you recall, like going down the stretch
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  Speaker 1: of that ninety six season, I think there was a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of Robert sort of reaching out, trying to like.
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  Speaker 4: Say, you know, we can we can work through this,
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  Speaker 4: you can stay.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think it was like a plea
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  Speaker 1: to get him to stay, kind of like me at
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  Speaker 1: the Giants game in the finale that year with alfrom Everett,
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  Speaker 1: the famous al from Everett screaming at him, Tuna, don't leave.
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  Speaker 1: Alf from effortt is like on his knees trying to
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  Speaker 1: get Bill Parcells to not not leave the Patriots and
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  Speaker 1: he left. Is that hanging over the team the whole year?
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  Speaker 1: Was that just down the stretch?
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  Speaker 6: And was there something specific that kind of reignited it?
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  Speaker 2: Just rumors started. Yeah, there was.
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  Speaker 1: Something contractual, like he asked for like a year to
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  Speaker 1: be taken off his contract or something like that, and
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  Speaker 1: there was some some kind of a clause in there
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  Speaker 1: that was altered. And yeah, well it was late in
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  Speaker 1: the year.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's history now, so I can probably
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  Speaker 2: say it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, well, probably not.
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  Speaker 2: I remember during the whole controversy. This is when we
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  Speaker 2: all worked in Boston because there was no room at
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  Speaker 2: the old stadium, and the Crafts had a floor at
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  Speaker 2: one Boston Place, and uh, you know I would see
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  Speaker 2: Robert a lot because you know, you're on the same floor.
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  Speaker 2: And he pulled out from his desk drawer the contract.
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  Speaker 2: But it was one page of the contract with a
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  Speaker 2: paragraph blown up and circled, and it was that paragraph
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  Speaker 2: that gave him ironclad rights to parcels no matter what happened, right,
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  Speaker 2: And that's how they were able to get the compensation
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  Speaker 2: from the jets. But he showed me that. I was like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: you thought ahead.
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  Speaker 6: Let's see that's what was gonna say. That's smart small,
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  Speaker 6: I mean, he's a billionaire, he's a smart businessman.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So that was that, and here we are, all right,
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  Speaker 2: so it's deuced. It's Paul, it's me Evan will be by.
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  Speaker 1: He's out of practice. Practice now practical, change the schedule,
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  Speaker 1: early practice.
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  Speaker 4: Now what do you make of that? Fred? The change
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  Speaker 4: of the schedule.
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  Speaker 1: Guys are banged up. It's a shorter practice. No, it's
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  Speaker 1: a shorter practice like last week because guys are But
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  Speaker 1: what do you think of the altering of the schedule,
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  Speaker 1: the timing. I don't ask why.
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  Speaker 6: I just love it because it's a two o'clock locker
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  Speaker 6: room and that's the answer.
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  Speaker 4: That's the answer.
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  Speaker 6: Good, don't ask why, But I don't know. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: they're they're probably just kind of him walked through everything.
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  Speaker 1: There's not going so everybody got it?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, just like are we giving up on the team
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  Speaker 7: if this is the last game?
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  Speaker 1: Like if this is Bill's last game? Right, Like do
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  Speaker 1: you think did in the back of his mind, he's
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  Speaker 1: like like the wing tea or something I said yesterday
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  Speaker 1: come out with the I must have had like a
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  Speaker 1: just here that I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: You don't listen to me anymore.
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  Speaker 1: I don't and I'm really upset me flower.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's just putting the flowers. That goes back to
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  Speaker 1: that song. Correct, I got it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, so bring me you know why. It
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  Speaker 2: could be a million reasons why.
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  Speaker 1: But I think tomorrow on the schedule is supposed to
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  Speaker 1: be back normal. So yeah, just did you get that
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  Speaker 1: split the split squad locker room again tomorrow?
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  Speaker 6: Thank yeah, thank god. That's that's not that's not a
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  Speaker 6: fun thing.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, but have we got any updates on
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  Speaker 2: the weather?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit.
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  Speaker 6: You know, there's two kind of competing models that I
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  Speaker 6: looked at.
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  Speaker 2: The European model and the model.
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  Speaker 7: You're right, I don't know what the other one was.
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  Speaker 7: There a couple of words Patriots back media, I think
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  Speaker 7: is reporting.
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  Speaker 6: I believe the European model was three just six inches.
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  Speaker 6: The other model, though, was a little bit higher. That
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  Speaker 6: was like six to ten maybe.
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  Speaker 2: And what are we hearing?
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  Speaker 4: It's supposed to start start at mid midnight, midnight, so
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  Speaker 4: it's tough to get here.
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  Speaker 1: Is it tough to get here? Probably tough to get out?
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  Speaker 6: I know it's if it was anything but the last game,
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  Speaker 6: I would be like dreading it. I mean, I'm sure
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  Speaker 6: people are dreading it, but I don't know. I live close,
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  Speaker 6: so that's an advantage. But it's just I want to
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  Speaker 6: see what the atmosphere is going to be like. I've
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  Speaker 6: never been to a Patriots snow game in my life,
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  Speaker 6: So in the warmth of the press box, just looking
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  Speaker 6: down on the poor pleaves down there, like having a.
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  Speaker 1: Stro you'll get to look down on the Jets the
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  Speaker 1: way that Andy and I looked down at the Arizona Cardinals,
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  Speaker 1: oh boy, and said, they're going to get blown out. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I know, they're gonna get the just they don't want
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  Speaker 1: to be here, even though the Jets play in a
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  Speaker 1: you know, obviously a similar climate.
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  Speaker 4: But they are.
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  Speaker 1: They're done. And I mean imagine having to go on
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  Speaker 1: the road and that, I mean, your bus is double parked.
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  Speaker 1: Did they ever do stuff for the weather like this?
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  Speaker 6: I mean, it's are there any precautionary measures employed? I
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  Speaker 6: mean there was obviously the nine game was I mean,
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  Speaker 6: but that was that was just that wasn't like plowable snow,
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  Speaker 6: was it that?
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  Speaker 1: You mean, if you've got like a like a major
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  Speaker 1: blues where you got like one of Yeah, I mean
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  Speaker 1: the NFL.
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  Speaker 4: Has moved games around in recent years.
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  Speaker 2: Well as of yesterday, down on the Cape when it's
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  Speaker 2: usually a little warmer, it was chance of rain on Sunday.
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  Speaker 2: Now they've changed it to a chance of snow. So
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  Speaker 2: that tells you something, right there.
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  Speaker 6: Everything I saw it seems like snow snow is happening.
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  Speaker 4: Than everybody else in the area.
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  Speaker 6: I know, well it's I mean, it's a wide range,
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  Speaker 6: so I'm sure I can't wait. People are gonna ask
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  Speaker 6: Bill about it on Friday, and I'll be like, I
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  Speaker 6: don't know, you know, he always like plays like sometimes
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  Speaker 6: they say it's every foot there's nothing, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I just have to leave the house
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  Speaker 2: at four in the morning, you know, probably effect get
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  Speaker 2: your snowshoes, get your snow skis, your.
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  Speaker 6: Cross country skis in the back of your car in
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  Speaker 6: case you get stuck.
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  Speaker 2: I mean. The good thing is it is a Sunday,
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  Speaker 2: so the roads won't be as you know, crowded. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: tell my wife, I'll shovel when I get home. Stay
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  Speaker 2: in the house.
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  Speaker 1: Did you ever sit in a snow game? Pauls as
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  Speaker 1: a Patriots fan?
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  Speaker 6: No, No, some rain and cold, but never snow.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I got pretty lucky.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't really even have I had some windy games,
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  Speaker 1: but I didn't have like a lot of rain or.
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  Speaker 4: Or snow.
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  Speaker 2: Mud mud, a lot of mud.
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  Speaker 1: The old stadium, right, it's like surrounded by mud.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, so jets, I mean a question, jets
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  Speaker 2: really anything?
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  Speaker 1: You know, Bill didn't really, you know, didn't really provide
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  Speaker 1: anything today. Quinnin Williams is good. Garrett Wilson is good.
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  Speaker 1: Reesall is good. That's about it. Those guys were highlighted. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and I mean they have some talent, and I do
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  Speaker 1: think for the most part, they've they've they've competed, but
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  Speaker 1: they just turned the ball over too much. And they
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  Speaker 1: lead the league, right, Yeah, thirty two I think giveaways
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  Speaker 1: and it's really hard, like you know, just think about
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  Speaker 1: what the Patriots defense went through on Sunday.
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  Speaker 4: That has been the norm for the Jets.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know there's still I mean, their defense
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  Speaker 1: is still pretty good, but it's just to keep teams
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  Speaker 1: down when you're constantly giving them short fields and in
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  Speaker 1: extra possessions.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it was you know, I do I do my
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  Speaker 6: next get stats, which I just I think statistically, the
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  Speaker 6: Jets defense shapes up a lot more just on paper,
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  Speaker 6: like you want a good defense to shape up. You know,
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  Speaker 6: it's their fifth and pressure rates, but they're but they're
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  Speaker 6: thirty thirty first in blitz rates, so they don't blitz,
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  Speaker 6: they get pressure.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 6: Contrast that though with the Patriots were ninth and blitz
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  Speaker 6: rate and twenty sixth in pressure. You know, so it's
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  Speaker 6: just a little bit of a contrast between the two teams.
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  Speaker 6: And you know, kind of their style. The Patriots, We've
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  Speaker 6: given them a lot of credit, but I still, you know,
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  Speaker 6: continue to say, I mean, eighteenth in pass EPA. They
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  Speaker 6: this Jets defense probably better than this Patriots.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder though, like if you look at the way
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  Speaker 2: Barmore has been playing down the stretch, if he had
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  Speaker 2: played that way throughout, Yeah, if that pressure rate would
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  Speaker 2: go up because he's he's back there a lot.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a good I mean, a good question of
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  Speaker 6: how much they've they've risen. I mean, they haven't really
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  Speaker 6: gone too crazy with with the blitzing, but it's I
• 10:02
  Speaker 6: don't know, I just I think that there's work to
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  Speaker 6: be done on defensive side of the ball, as much
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  Speaker 6: as that's going to get ignored and probably fall by
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  Speaker 6: the wayside with a lot of our offseason discussion, and
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  Speaker 6: rightly so, I mean, I think, I mean, and everyone
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  Speaker 6: were saying, like, look like the first two picks of the.
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  Speaker 1: Draft have to go to the offensive side of the
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  Speaker 1: ball at least.
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  Speaker 6: Right Like, it's just hard to bank a case for
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  Speaker 6: any real position unless you want to talk to me
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  Speaker 6: about a real good pass rusher.
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  Speaker 1: But otherwise, and that's the only way I would have
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  Speaker 1: anything before Day three, go on defense is if you
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  Speaker 1: had a chance for a pass rusher that can impact
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  Speaker 1: the game off the edge out, you know, and you're
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  Speaker 1: obviously you're going to get You're going to get defensive
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  Speaker 1: backs later in the draft. You always do.
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  Speaker 4: So I agree with you, Mike. I think you have
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  Speaker 4: to devote this draft off.
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  Speaker 2: It seems among the Patriots wise guys that the play
• 10:48
  Speaker 2: is Harrison, trade back up and get Penix. Yeah, that's
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  Speaker 2: the play.
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  Speaker 1: So I have a question for that now, and I
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  Speaker 1: don't necessarily mind the rationale, but what do you have
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  Speaker 1: to trade up with after you take number three?
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  Speaker 6: I mean, all the talk yesterday, that's a derail question.
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  Speaker 6: Far up do you have to trade in there?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there's just depends on who.
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  Speaker 4: You know. That's a great question.
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  Speaker 1: I don't have the answer, but a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: think that Pennix is rising up the board.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, we're just kind of seeing yesterday were speculation of
• 11:18
  Speaker 6: what Chicago might get if they were to trade it
• 11:21
  Speaker 6: they were to keep fields and you know, just talking
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  Speaker 6: about Chicago kind of sitting in the driver's seat and
• 11:24
  Speaker 6: it was huge. I mean, it's you know, a couple
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  Speaker 6: first rounders, like it's.
• 11:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, I saw a second or third round pick. Jeremy Fowler. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: Maybe we read different things, but I don't know, it's
• 11:34
  Speaker 6: just the more wait wait.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, I think you might be thinking talking about different things.
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  Speaker 2: You're talking about if if somebody wanted to trade somebode
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  Speaker 2: to the first round you're talking about for field right.
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  Speaker 4: I think I had like I had an aneurysm. I
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  Speaker 4: think I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: That's exactly what he said, And somehow I was thought
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  Speaker 1: you were talking about what it would take to get
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  Speaker 1: fields right. That's totally my fault, totally my bad. I
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  Speaker 1: don't I don't know what I'm doing.
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  Speaker 6: Scary, like just a couple of there's a second and
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  Speaker 6: third to get to the first over all pick tomorrow.
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  Speaker 2: You just let him go.
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  Speaker 1: No, I didn't know. He was like, we read different things, right,
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  Speaker 1: but no, because we're because basically we're talking about two.
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  Speaker 2: Totally, but it all depends like who is the team
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  Speaker 2: trying to get to the first. If they're lower, they're
• 12:11
  Speaker 2: going to have to give up more. Yeah, it's like
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  Speaker 2: us in the third slot, we wouldn't have to give
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  Speaker 2: up as much.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I know, it's it's I mean it's it's
• 12:19
  Speaker 6: great to be Chicago right now.
• 12:20
  Speaker 1: But I don't know. I just I continue that this is.
• 12:24
  Speaker 6: A really deep draft with receivers, and you know, to
• 12:27
  Speaker 6: put all your eggs in a basket of not only
• 12:30
  Speaker 6: taking Marvin Harrison, but making no strides to protect your
• 12:33
  Speaker 6: quarterback and then just assuming you're gonna get Michael Pennix,
• 12:35
  Speaker 6: who I mean, God, after that performance the other night
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  Speaker 6: and whatever he does in this National Championship game, is
• 12:41
  Speaker 6: it hard to imagine that some team's going to trade
• 12:43
  Speaker 6: up and take him by the mid first round.
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: Like so it's well, that was my point. Like if
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: if it's like one of those deals where you have
• 12:50
  Speaker 1: like the third or fourth pick of the second round
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: and you want to get to like twenty nine, absolutely
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: you can do that.
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  Speaker 4: But what if you need to get to fifteen to.
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: Get and did Canny Pickett go at? Like?
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  Speaker 6: You know, I mean, Michael Pennox looks way better to
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  Speaker 6: me than Kenny Pickett.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know, it's it's complicated.
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  Speaker 6: I admittedly I've I've started looking at some of these
• 13:12
  Speaker 6: guys have looked I'm looking at the tackles, and you know,
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  Speaker 6: I just I think that that remains something as much
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  Speaker 6: as people are gonna be kicking and screaming about it,
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  Speaker 6: it's something.
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  Speaker 2: That I know, just you know, even to take one
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  Speaker 2: another back, like it's not sexy, but we really need it.
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  Speaker 6: No, I mean, and you know, I just going in
• 13:27
  Speaker 6: on ol Lufashanu for a second, Like just I didn't
• 13:30
  Speaker 6: really start with his film. I just started watching him
• 13:32
  Speaker 6: like interviews and you know what kind of guy he
• 13:34
  Speaker 6: is and learning about him, and like, you know, it's
• 13:36
  Speaker 6: you need a foundational player. You need a kind of
• 13:38
  Speaker 6: guy who you know, I don't want to say he's
• 13:40
  Speaker 6: Matthew Slater, but I mean super smart, super you know, intelligent,
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  Speaker 6: kind of got everything together, went back to to try
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  Speaker 6: to win. You know, there's a lot of things to
• 13:49
  Speaker 6: like about that guy. And as as much as people
• 13:52
  Speaker 6: would hate it, it's you know, it's just hard to
• 13:54
  Speaker 6: say we're going to draft a quarterback. We're not going
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  Speaker 6: to do anything to protect him though, I mean, we
• 13:57
  Speaker 6: know what that formula kind of looks like. I just
• 14:00
  Speaker 6: I hesitate on Marvin Harrison.
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: Those those moves to me.
• 14:03
  Speaker 6: Seem like we just need like it'd be a great
• 14:05
  Speaker 6: move for Chicago, right, Like if they really believe in Fields, Right,
• 14:09
  Speaker 6: you got a guy he's close, you know, he's he's
• 14:11
  Speaker 6: played in these kind of environments like so that to
• 14:14
  Speaker 6: me makes sense.
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: I think it's setting up for them perfectly, like if,
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: because I think it's worth the risk, because I think
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: the the reward is huge if if Fields is actually
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: starting to get it, and you stick with him and
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: you draft Marvin Harrison and then your other pick is
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: going to be like ten or eleven and you get
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: a tackle, yeah boom. I mean if the Patriots were
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: in that position.
• 14:36
  Speaker 4: You know, or help your defense like some you know,
• 14:39
  Speaker 4: you get a high pick.
• 14:40
  Speaker 6: But I mean look at Houston last year, similar thing, right, Like,
• 14:43
  Speaker 6: I mean, get two high round picks, they.
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: Hit on both of them, and all of a sudden,
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: you're not that far away from at least being competitive
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: and they have been what are they six and five?
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: And they last eleven something like that.
• 14:55
  Speaker 4: Jesus, I don't know Chicago now, his record is a
• 15:00
  Speaker 4: is terrible. Do you guys hold the league at all?
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: I just don't know their last eleven games.
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: Evan sit down football with somebody, please, I'm just watching
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: Evan try to adjust the seat. He's going lower.
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: Evan, please sit down and get on the mic. I
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: need somebody to talk about the NFL at large. What
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: are the what are the Bears in their last eleven Evan?
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: Do you got that?
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: Well?
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: My point is they. I mean, he still has a
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: terrible record as a starter, it's like way below five hundred.
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: But lately, like the last whatever eight ten games, he's
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: been better and they've been winning since he came back
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: from his injury. Now, it might just be a soft
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: spot on the schedule. It could be as simple as that. Now,
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: I look at the two Detroit games.
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: Detroit's pretty good and they had them. They should have
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: beaten them twice. They split the two games.
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: And I think we talked about Pennix. I think, Evan,
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: you said Senior Bowl for him yesterday.
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: So Jim nagy Te's on Monday night during the game. Yeah,
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: oh wait till you see him in Mobile.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: So he don't have like a formal announcement that they
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: did with Bo Nicks. Yeah.
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: Bo Nicks had the formal announcement. So that's two of
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: the quarterbacks that are a little bit further down that
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: will be at the Senior Bowl and you know will
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: be there.
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: Well, not me, you come in my hopes.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: Of Evan will be there.
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: It's gonna be h that. I'm really looking forward to
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: seeing Nicks because I think there's a lot of there's
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: a mixed bag on him right now. If some people
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: love him, some people hate him. So it'd be good
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: to see him in a different environment because that Oregon
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: offense is very unique and very simple in a lot
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: of ways, Like justin Herbert I think was held back
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: a lot by that offense in college too, So be
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: cool to see him in like a pro style offense
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: and how he operates down there. So Evan's here, Hi,
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: By the way, Evan.
• 16:45
  Speaker 8: Has turned, Evan has returned, has turned all right?
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: Evan.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: A little bit of a change in schedule today, Yeah,
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: a little bit of a change of twelve o'clock practice
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: like the good old days, you know, going back to
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: the eleven thirty bill twelve o'clock practice.
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: Missed that anyways, next year. We have two absences at
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: Patriots practice today. Miles Bryant, who I don't know why
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: he was not at practice, Maybe an illness or something
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: like that. Wasn't hurt during the game. To my knowledge,
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: so who knows and no Trent Brown, who I think
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: is just I think we might have sent him to pastor. Ye, yeah,
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: it might be. It might be time on that one.
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: It'd be interesting to see when we go into the
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: locker room. Does does he have a locker is it's
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: la a cleaned out?
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: You know, it's a situation and were they outside?
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: They were outside and not in not in pad is
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: going to be a really light practice today?
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: Why do you think that is?
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of guys banged up according to the
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: head coach. I think there's also this, I mean, what
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: are they really playing for on Sunday in this game.
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: I think there's a lot.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: Of what about finished strong? Whatever happened to that?
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: That's that's fair. I mean they did the same thing
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: last week. A lighter practice on Wednesday. Tomorrow will be
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: like a full schedule down here like it usually is
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: on Wednesdays and Thursdays, you know, full practice, four thirty,
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: locker room, you know, so tomorrow will be normal. I
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: think they're going easy on the guys a little bit
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: this late in the year.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so, I mean it's true they probably are banged up.
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: And yeah, yeah, yeah, I think there are a lot
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: of guys even that are banged up that aren't necessarily
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: front and center on the injury report every single week,
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: just bumps and bruises of the season. Thinking about the center,
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: for example, David Andrews, who's played started every game and
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: is almost played every single snap, I think for them
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: on offense this year, guys like that, I think are
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: are pretty much tapped out at this point.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: Okay, how was the media contingency?
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: A lot of media, I would say today, I think
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: Belichick coming in this morning and you know, he's getting
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: the questions and of course he's got all the deflections
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: to We're just focused on the Jets. We're just focused
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: on the Jets, not even just about his future, but
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: futures of people on the team, you know, other players
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: on the team, obviously Bill O'Brien, like how his performance
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: was this year, like all that kind of stuff, and
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: a lot of it is just you know, we're just
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: focused on the Jets right now.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Have national guys started showing up on the scene yet
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: not yet?
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: No, no, no, And I think the Snowstar might scare
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: him off on Sundays.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: To yeah, okay, but the mood of the team.
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: I gotta admit it didn't start off well. No, we walked,
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: we walked into practice, and maybe we were like thirty
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: seconds early into practice because the music wasn't playing yet
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: and it was everybody was just kind of standing around
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: and it was kind of biz Are and Barth and
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: I were.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Just like everybody looked coming coming everything all right.
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: Then the music started and the stretching started, and it
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: felt like a normal practice. But I think we that
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: probably happens every practice. They just open the door.
• 20:14
  Speaker 6: Maybe they'll just sit there and stare at each other
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: in silence on this.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Like ever high.
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: What you say, open the door of the gate, of
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: the gate.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Of the gate.
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, goes the gatekeeper, gotcha? Yeah all right, yeah,
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: god you say yes?
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: All right, Well that's that's your practice report when it's worth.
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I have a question, how does what is the
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: mechanics of the day after, like the locker clean I'm
• 20:41
  Speaker 6: trying to.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: Remember there's a mandatory available.
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: The locker room will be open one person in person
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: in person. Bill would no, he does it on zoom
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: the next morning.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: And and that would also he wouldn't necessarily have a
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: press Like if you're asking that, Yeah, that would barely
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: have a press scottvience, now I do. I can tell you,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: you know from being around when Pete Carroll's last day,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: the you know, the announcement went out and he did
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: not do a press conference from inside the old Patriots Club.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Remember this, Freddy, I think you were you were there.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: It was in the parking lot and they had makeshift
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: like they had like a micy have a box?
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: Did he have a box in his hands?
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Like people people literally were like putting their microphones up
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: and taping them all together. And there was a big
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: group of us around him, and he talked for a
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: little bit and uh.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: And some of the fraud media that killing him just put.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: But best of luck, Pete like doing the swim move
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: around people to get in there so they could shake
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: his hand. And I was like, yeah, all right, you've
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: been killing him for like three months.
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: Why was it in the parking lot because he was
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: no longer the head coach of the pages.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Like his key card didn't work anymore.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: He can't get literally, that's what I said, like the
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: box of the stapler, that's our stapler.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: It wasn't that the day that we saw Robert Kraft
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: drive off with Bill Belichick. Remember that I do not remember.
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: Yes, that happened.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Bill, Robert and Bill had a conversation in the
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: car and they drove away together.
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: Based on my last two shows, I'm just going to say, yeah, no,
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: it happened.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: I have no recollection that happened. They had a little
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: little red convertible, and.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: I think at the time Robert said, you know, I
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: am or was considering bringing you on as head coach,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: but it's too close to I need the separation.
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: I thought it will be interesting.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Do you think he had a conversation with Belichick about
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: wanting to hire him, but he thought it was too close.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: He said, you were someone I'm I'm considering, but it's
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: too close.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: So this was when Parcels left. Yes, okay, I'm talking
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: about when Carol left, which is which is why I
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: had no recollection of it, because I wasn't there when ourselves.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: I was there when.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Ninety six, I'm sorry ninety seven.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Okay, So that was when he drove off with Yeah,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: after ourselves.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: Because that was weirds.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: I had no recollection after ourselves.
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: We have like the paparazzi photo right right right.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: He drove he drove off with Bill, yeah, after after Carol.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Like Paul said, it was in the parking lot, and
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: it was kind of weird.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: It was it was a different, surreal kind of.
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: Environment.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: And I think he wanted to talk like he actually
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: made a big deal because they just want to go
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: around and say hey to a bunch of you know,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: typical people. You know, I just want to say hey,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: hey to you know, some of the fellows. I think
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: he just wanted to do it. I think he he
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: just is a good guy, and I think he kind
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: of felt like, I want to say goodbye it all.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: He was too nice. He was too and some of
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: these guys took advantage of him.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: And I think that's all he wanted to do. Now,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: he wasn't the coach of the Patriots anymore, so they're
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: not going to have the press conference on you know,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: like inside the Patriots offices and whatnot.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: So it was weird.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Guys like Borges would take it, you know, five million
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: dollar linebackers. Remember that.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: It's it's it's bs only he didn't say BS, right,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: and then he goes, oh swearing now, but like you don't.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Do like that's disrespectful.
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: I thought, do you think Ronnie was disrespectful that day.
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: Do you think there might be a similar situation this
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: time around where Bill needs some separation before he could
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: hire someone from this staff, like a Girod? Like, do
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: you think he he would need that separation again.
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: To get Robert Robert?
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: Well, you know how he had, he had Bill in house,
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: and he felt like he needed to get parcels out and.
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: Possibly, you know, I mean, but it's well, that's how
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: I feel.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: But a lot of people disagree with no.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: But I've heard you know, he doesn't. He wants the continuity,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: like it's not all bad, you know, so why blow
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: it up? You know? That's who knows?
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: Who knows that Monday morning is going to be very
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: telling because Bill usually starts talking about this season that
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: we're currently in in the past tense or.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Right, we don't we can't even talk about it anymore. Lot,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: we won the last game last year.
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: Right, so he'll started calling this year last year even
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: though last year just ended twelve minutes ago or whatever.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: And he also playoff game was the epitome of yeah.
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: And he'll also talk about the off season and you know,
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: kind of things moving forward and all that kind of stuff.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: And if he's not going to be here, then it's
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: gonna be odd to get those questions of like, oh,
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: so what do you think you're gonna do with the
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: second overall pick? And he's you know, not the one
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: making it.
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: It's just a weird I wonder if it's scheduled, and
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: then we get like, actually.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: It's not going to happen this morning, like one of
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: those kind of up the rights. It's it is a great,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: great point, Mike, because I I don't know how fast
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: it's going to happen. If it happens, and if it's
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: not done, do you just let him have his regular
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Well you also have to call Monday morning.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: Because you also have to worry about raising eyebrows in.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: The media of because you know that'll happen.
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: We always do this every Monday morning after the game
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: is over, after the season is over, like why not
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: this week? And you know, why not this year?
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: But if he does it and they're gonna say, well,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: I guess Bill's staying you know, yeah.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: You know, just women, it's going to be a very
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: interesting weekend, all right. Eight five five Pats five hundred
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: is the a sticket hotline web Radio Patriots dot Com
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: is the email address anything else we want to bring up. No,
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: So before Evan, when you walked in, we were talking
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: a little bit draft and I.
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: Never talked about the draft.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: No, that's when the teams take the player.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, can you explain it to me.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Like I'm one of the things we were talking about
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: the Bears in their situation.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's great if they if.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: They do decide to move on from fields, is it.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Do you think they would want to make that trade
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: prior to the draft or can they wait till after
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: the draft and then trade them.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know. They could be better for them to
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: do it before the draft, hey, because they would get picks, right,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: but also to let everybody know, you know, like I
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: can bump up his value by saying I don't have
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: to take Caleb Williams. I can just keep If you know,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: you guys are calling me looking to make a trade. Yeah,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: I mean I think people would you know, rightly say, well,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: if he's listening to me talk about a potential trade,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: he's planning on taking Caleb Williams.
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: You also have a lot of teams. Well, we'll draft
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: quarterbacks that maybe would have been looking at justin fields
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: and now that you take those teams out of the equation.
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: Even if they draft somebody on day two they really
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: like the guy, if it's Bo Nicks or Pennix or
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: something like that, then all of a sudden, you know
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: that team is off the board. But I feel like
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: the Bears, I have already just put Marvin Harrison Junior
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: in a Bear's uniform. And however, wherever they pick him
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: in the top three or four picks, I don't know,
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: but I just feel like that's where that pick is
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: going to be. Whether it's I would think that they
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: would probably trade no lower than three because they don't
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: want to risk losing him at that point. It's a
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: good point, So maybe it's I would say the Commanders
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: are probably a good candidate to trade to one new owner,
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: probably new GM, new leadership there, wanting to make a splash,
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: and I could see them trading up to.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: One that makes them that makes a lot of sense.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Washington would be I think a logical partner.
• 28:25
  Speaker 6: I like it just because you you know, I know
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: what Fields is.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: I mean I don't.
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: I don't.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Actually we don't know what Fields is.
• 28:30
  Speaker 6: But I think you've already kind of spent that first
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: round pick on him, and you put some time and
• 28:33
  Speaker 6: effort into him, and even if he's not the guy,
• 28:36
  Speaker 6: at least then you say, well, we put the pieces
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: around him. We gave him Harrison, maybe we drafted one
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: of these tackles. And if it doesn't work, you still
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: have other guys, Like if you just immediately blow him
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: up and go to another quarterback, who's to say the
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: same thing isn't going to happen again? You know, for
• 28:50
  Speaker 6: all his warts, at least you kind of know what
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: he is.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: And yeah, I like that method.
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: You saw it to the end, right right right.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: If it doesn't get any better next year, at least
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: at least you know you gave them the resources. You
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: gave them the time. You're stuck with the same coach
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: and it didn't work. Now, it's obviously bad for the
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Bears if that happens, but at least you don't have
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: any did we pull the plug too soon?
• 29:11
  Speaker 6: And at least you feel like you've got a favorable
• 29:13
  Speaker 6: situation for whoever you got to get rest time. And
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: if it didn't work, you're gonna be picking up high again,
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: and you're.
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: Probably That's my whole thing with Chicago is if it
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: doesn't work with justin fields, then you're going to be
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: picking in the top ten again next year anyway. So
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: then just draft the quarterback.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Then, you know, and you might get a similar situation.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: I do think you know the quarterback then that we taught,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: you know, the more we talk about Panix and Nix
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: and McCarthy, and I do think that the the COVID
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: stuff is starting to show in the depth of some
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: of these positions, and you do have more options at
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: quarterback than you probably would in a normal year, right
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: because so many of these got them, Like Panics is
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: six years, Nix is six years, I think too, Daniels
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: is six years.
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: Ay for that, well, eventually it's going to cycle out.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Something is going to take a while.
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: But the transfer porter is also such a fatter because
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: these guys, you know, if Pennix never transfers to Washington,
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: and we're probably not having the conversation of him being
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: even in the first round because he doesn't have the
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: platform to showcase himself in the College Football Playoff, in
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: the Pac twelve championship. But we're at this point now
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: with these guys where they go three years at Auburn
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: and then bow Knicks transfers to Oregon and plays a
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: couple of years at Oregon and then goes to the NFL.
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: So I think in some ways, though we were talking
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: about this a little bit off the air, Like I
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: think it's good because these quarterbacks that come in super
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: young and super green are just getting thrown into the
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: fire and they're raw.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: You know, they don't have the start.
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: Especially from a mental standpoint, They just don't have the
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: the IQ to be an NFL starter right out of
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: the gate. And I wonder if maybe some of these
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: five six year college players might be starting from a
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: higher point of development that they can step in and
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: be a little bit better out of the gate. Like
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: I just think about all these guys that have flopped recently.
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: A lot of them were underclassmen or you know, didn't
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: play a ton of foot like a mac Jones he
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: had one year as a starter, you know at Alabama,
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: Like maybe he just wasn't ready, you know, maybe he
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: just wasn't mature enough.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah to do it. And on the flip side,
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: so what if he's twenty four. I mean, these guys
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: playing now to thirty five, thirty six, thirty seven, what
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: are we worried about anything beyond that.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't it doesn't really overly concern me.
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's just it seems like it's like a
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: high class problem to worry about, Like, well, what if
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: he's great, We've only got nine years of him instead
• 31:28
  Speaker 6: of ten, so what Yeah?
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just think quarterback is a position and I
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: made e been very happy after.
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: The show yesterday because this is grinding my gear.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: I think a quarterback is a position that would that
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: would matter the least, And you could make an argument
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: it's better for the experience and the guy comes in
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: a little bit closer, And what's the difference if you,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: like you said Fred, if the guy works out, you
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: got him for at least a decade.
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, how much more do you want?
• 31:52
  Speaker 6: And just a little more mature too, like to take
• 31:54
  Speaker 6: over the leadership of a team and a bunch of
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: you know NFL veteran guys. It's a tough place, tough
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: bunch of personalities to kind of command a presence. And
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: you know, a kid like Penix who's done it at
• 32:05
  Speaker 6: a couple of programs. I mean, he seems like he
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: can handle it.
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: That's that's what excites me, maybe the most about Penix.
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: Like obviously a lot of these guys have really good
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: physical tools. You know, they can all throw, they can
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: all move around like those types of things. But from
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: what you hear from Washington, like he's the alpha in
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: the room and there's a lot of really good players
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: on that Washington team. You know, it's not a doone's
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: a it's not you know, some of those other guys
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: that are going to be first round, top fifty prospects,
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: when it's Penix who's the leader of that Washington team,
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: And I think that's what you need at that position totally.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Do you think this is a year sticking to the
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: draft that misinformation will come into play even more, Like
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: you know, a team who really looking for a quarterback
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: kind of makes it known that they're looking at Harrison
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: to kind of force Chicago's hand, or you know.
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: I think it always happens to some degree, you know,
• 32:58
  Speaker 6: I mean I always think, like you to the combine
• 33:00
  Speaker 6: and the medicals is a big thing. So like you
• 33:02
  Speaker 6: could see with Pennix, you know somebody Tom Pellisero comes
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: teams were a little bit shaken by you know, when
• 33:08
  Speaker 6: they had their doctors check them out, like things like that.
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: They could be put out there to try to push
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: him down a little bit. But I think that stuff
• 33:14
  Speaker 6: happens every year. I don't know why this year would
• 33:16
  Speaker 6: be necessarily unique.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Smelled wrists small hand. I do wonder.
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: I do wonder about the Cardinals because they it's different regime,
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: but they've done this before where they say, oh that
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: you know Josh Rosen.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Is our guy, and then.
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I just don't believe one hundred until they don't
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: turn in a card with a quarterback's name that the
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: Cardinals are all in on Kyler and not taking quarterback.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Is Caleb Williams not going to be the first overall pick.
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: I'd be shocked if he was, because you.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: Know, I heard just today and one of Paul's show
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: another Caleb Williams story that uh, you know, his team
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: USC in their bowl game said now we're a team.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: Now we're a team, and meaning that you know he's
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: not there he was, and that he had a birthday
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: party and nobody.
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: You didn't hear that. I did hear that.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: I did. I heard that on one of Paul's shows.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: That's that's it sounds like something Joe Murray would say.
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: I think it might have this was like Josh Rose
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: a lot of the same things coming out. He had
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: like a hot tub in his dorm room and like
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: stuff like that, and yeah, that was the book on
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: him and.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: That spoiled rich.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: What was the problem with Josh Rosen? He's sun thank you? Okay, Yeah,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Caleb Williams doesn't stink.
• 34:35
  Speaker 6: All right, but he seems like a USC's going to
• 34:38
  Speaker 6: go down With Caleb william I just like, if you
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: want to give me everyone's saying this, it's good, it's
• 34:44
  Speaker 6: a good prospect to go.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: First of all, not everybody's saying everybody saying he's gonna
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: be the number one overall. Pick no, I think like
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: that's what that's what people are saying. But what But
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: my point is, if you want to tell me that
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Caleb Williams doesn't do X, Y and Z, and for
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: that reason, I don't think he's going to pan out.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: I'll listen to that all day. I am by as
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: far away from one of those experts as you can get.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: I just don't want to hear he cried after they
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: lost the game, so he's emotionally on stage.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: That leadership is any part of being a quarterback.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think if you listen to and I can
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: give you a story that was written in the La
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Times from late November. He is an exceptional leader and
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: considered to be a great teammate by his teammates. And
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: I can show you the old clip from a guy
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: if you want that. But again, if you want to
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: tell me he can't do things like, I'll listen to that.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Just don't tell me that he's not going to succeed
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: because he cried to his mother after a game. Yeah, Like,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: that's not a valid reason to be down on a guy.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: The only football reason to be down on Caleb Williams
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: is that he holds the ball forever.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: And he's a little small, Yeah, And I think that's
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: that stuff to me that would cause me to take
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: a second look.
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's not as small as like Bryce Young or
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: thirty six to one. Yeah, but I would just the
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: ball for a while. He plays the Mahomes style game,
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: and Mahomes translated for Mahomes. But is it going to
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: translate for the next guy? Is the big question? You know,
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: there's only one Steph Curry, right, Like, not everybody's going
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: to shoot threes like that. It's kind of the same
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: thing with Patrick Mahomes comparison with Caleb So is he
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: Is he good enough that he can run around, hold
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: the ball forever. A bunch of turnovers in college, bunch
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: of fumbles with strip.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Sacks that that would cos me pause. Yeah, like that.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: That's an evaluation of his skill set and whether or
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: not it translates to the NFL. I think Patrick Mahomes
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: is a lot bigger than people think.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Oh he's a big guy.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: So I think that when you run around and you
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: take some hits, you're able to withstand him. And I
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: think that's part of the Bryce Young issue right now,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: is he's so small he can't play that way. Yeah,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: he can't run around and take hits because he'll break. Yeah,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: And I think that might be a concern with Caleb Williams.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: And he's holding the ball so long, you know, and
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: now he's subjecting himself to hits. I don't think he's
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: got that frame necessarily to withstand. Yeah.
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: He's not an anticipatory thrower from the pocket, Like he's
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: not gonna sit there and see it happen before it
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: happens and make throws like that. He's the guy that's
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: gonna want to move around and is going to want
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: to create plays with his legs and extend plays and
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: things like that. If you like harness that and put
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: it in the right offense, like the Chiefs have done
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: with Mahomes. It can be electric, but it could also
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: be he could be a fumble machine like he has
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: been at times at USC.
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: He seems to me kind of like a representative of
• 37:27
  Speaker 6: this new age of college player that is used to
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: He's got money, he's in advertisements, you know, like he is.
• 37:34
  Speaker 6: I mean, and of course Matt Lionert was the face
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: of their franchise, but it just seems even more so
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: to me with him, like he seems it's everywhere. I mean,
• 37:42
  Speaker 6: I'm seeing ads already on TV with him.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: It's just it's interesting.
• 37:45
  Speaker 6: How those things are going to play out as this
• 37:46
  Speaker 6: as we continue to go down this road of athletes
• 37:48
  Speaker 6: who are coming into the NFL. They're used to being
• 37:51
  Speaker 6: the face of an organization, and you know, what, what
• 37:55
  Speaker 6: does it look like if it's not the same, Like
• 37:56
  Speaker 6: what if he goes to a small market team and
• 37:58
  Speaker 6: he's you know, not getting that kind of I'm gonna
• 38:02
  Speaker 6: sayttention necessarily, but he's just not the you know, the
• 38:04
  Speaker 6: same kind of juice that he had at at usc It's.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: And I think it's just the start of it.
• 38:08
  Speaker 6: Really, I mean, this is going to be you know,
• 38:10
  Speaker 6: I mean there are other quarterbacks that have come out
• 38:12
  Speaker 6: that have been kind of this high profile. He feels
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: like he's already kind of made it, you know.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: To me, I wonder, like, you know, it's back in
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: the day, but when Elway or Eli Manning famously refused
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: to go to the team that drafted them, Yeah, you
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: know when they got to their team, you know, did
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: people kind of look.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: At them like, I just think I'll bet you they were.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 38:33
  Speaker 6: I just wonder how much fire there is with that
• 38:35
  Speaker 6: smoke of his dad and you know, these like kind
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: of high maintenance those kind of things, like the true
• 38:40
  Speaker 6: smoke that can affect his play on the field there,
• 38:42
  Speaker 6: Like that's what smoke.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: I think. I think Mike brings up a really good
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: point about it, because I do think that's where it's going, Like,
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: you're not going to get these guys that like and
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: I think that rubs a lot of people, like my
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: age the wrong way. And I think that's where you're
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: seeing some of the blowback. Is this the Heisman Trophy
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: winner he's on the Heisman comer, so he's still in college.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: It's a different landscape and you and I don't have
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: to like it. I don't particularly like it, but that's
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: the way it is, and I think you have to accept.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: I think all of these guys are going to come
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: out of school now with a degree of that, you know,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: as they entered the league.
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: Right Well, I think that's a great point too, because
• 39:17
  Speaker 6: even though you don't see these guys a lot of
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: them now, they're not coming to the NFL because they
• 39:21
  Speaker 6: need money now, right Like a lot of guys would
• 39:23
  Speaker 6: come into the NFL completely motivated by I got to
• 39:26
  Speaker 6: buy my mom a house, you know, or those they
• 39:28
  Speaker 6: don't that there isn't as much.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: Of that anymore.
• 39:30
  Speaker 6: It doesn't seem like it seems like guys are already,
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: you know, having these these sponsorship deals in there, you know.
• 39:36
  Speaker 6: I just I wonder overall, if you're going to get
• 39:39
  Speaker 6: as many hungry holy Cross and cost I'm sure they're
• 39:45
  Speaker 6: rolling in the Nile money at holy Cross Hockey, but.
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: Could have gotten like certificates like t Anthony's.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: He's good.
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: It's a good litmus test of the league because I
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: think between Caleb's whatever you want to call it, attitude, personality,
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: And you know, a guy like Daniels's skill set like
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: Jayden Daniels. You know, Lamar Jackson went thirty second overall
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: in his draft just five years ago with a very
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: similar skill set as Jaden Daniels. So like, is it
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: have they changed that way too?
• 40:13
  Speaker 9: Like?
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: Have we changed in this in the sense that a
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: guy that's probably better as a runner than a thrower,
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: but he's dynamic at both, is that good enough now
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: to be a top ten pick or a top five
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: pick versus Lamar Jackson, who was a better prospect in
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: a lot of ways than Jaden Daniels couldn't barely made
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: it in the first round. Let it let alone a
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: top ten pick.
• 40:33
  Speaker 6: How do you feel like, outside of Lamar Jackson, the
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: recent sample size of guys that kind of fit Jaden Daniels'
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: profile of the success they've had in the league, Like,
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: what does that point towards?
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a good question. I mean I think him
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: like a guy like Justin Feels. I think is a
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: little different because Justin Fields didn't run a ton in
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: college because he was a pretty good thrower, but then
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: has had to run more in the league because he's
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: not advanced enough as a thrower to just be a
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: thrower like he was at Ohios. So I don't know
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: if there's a guy that I think Daniels is the
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: most dynamic runner that's come through the draft since Lamar,
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: and I don't know if there's another like great current
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: comp in the NFL. But if you're if you're a
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: Jaden Daniels person like that, and you are the team
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: that takes Jade and Daniels, I don't see how you
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: build an offense around him unless it's like Baltimore. It's
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: like it's gonna have to be like that for him
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: to You do think that, Yeah, I really do, Like
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: I think that, sure, you could run like a spread
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: and have him do it maybe a little bit less,
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: like you're not gonna be running like real quarterback runs
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: like Baltimore.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: News a little better throw coming out of college than
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: Lamar was.
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: I've heard that. I always thought that Lamar was a
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: really good thrower and was kind of underrated as a
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: passer coming out of college.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: A funny motion I think that threw a lot of
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: people out.
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he had some mechanical issues that he had to
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: work on for sure, But in terms of like seeing
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: the field and processing and things like that, I think
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: kind of got a stereotype rap coming out. But maybe
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: that's changed now, Like Jayden Daniels, maybe they realize that
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: that was archaic and thinking that way and now it's different.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean I think there were guys, but
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: I mean I agree with the way Evan said that
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: no one really runs like Lamar, Like that's a different
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: level of like like Stroud, you know, is I think
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: he's a bit, you know, more of a passer than
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: a runner, but he can obviously, you know, extend plays
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: and make plays with his legs. So I think there
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: have been some guys that have had success doing it,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: you know, different ways. Josh Allen certainly, you know, is
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: that kind of a you know, he's he uses his
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: legs a lot, you know, And I don't think if
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: he just if he just dropped back in the pocket
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: and had to throw the ball thirty five times every
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: game from between the tackles and did never run, I
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: don't think you'd look at him the same way.
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he needs that other element, and I think that's
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: what the Patriots defense did to him on Sunday was
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: kind of made him sit there, hit the second and
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: third read and rhythmim from the pocket and he's ruggle.
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: So I actually am starting the more of Drake May
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: that I've watched. I kind of see a little bit
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: of Josh Allen in him the radio and left. Yeah, no,
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: I think it's I. I originally had the Herbert comparison
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: that everybody else has, but Herbert, I think is a
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: little bit more under control with the way that he plays.
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: I think Drake May's got a little bit of that
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: Josh Allen.
• 43:24
  Speaker 6: Him throw a lefty pass at one point too, like
• 43:26
  Speaker 6: he's he's I mean, he's.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: Fun and if you like that kind of thing.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: Trevor from Kansas City. I'm so glad people have finally
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: watched Michael Penix so they realized if he didn't have
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: medical concerns, he'd be in discussion for the first overall pick.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: I'd still love to take him even top five if
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: there's no long term structural damage. I think what I
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: learned most from the mac experiment experiment isn't that you
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: need to be a physical specimen to succeed, but you
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: have to have mental toughness. There's no QB in this
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: draft that has shown more mental toughness than Michael Pennock junior.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: Go get him.
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: That's a good I mean, it's a fair point. Like
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: the guys come back from seventeen injuries and transfers and
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: has that team. Like, let's see what he looks like
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: against Michigan's defense, the best defense in college football. I
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: kind of wish that they were playing Alabama just because
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: then you could see him against Saban. But at the
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: same time, like Michigan's defense is probably the best statistical
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: defense in college football this year, So let's see how
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: he looks. If he tears up Michigan's defense like the Texas,
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: then then.
• 44:26
  Speaker 6: He's going to fall in the hole between where the
• 44:27
  Speaker 6: Patriots are and between the first and second pick.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: I agree in the mental toughness with penis well wholeheartedly,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: but I just have to be a little snarky. I
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: just like to thank the readers for introducing us to
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: the best players coming out of the draft.
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: Every year.
• 44:42
  Speaker 6: He came in, he was just like everyone watches Penix,
• 44:44
  Speaker 6: and now everybody's someone got to watch Michael Penick like
• 44:48
  Speaker 6: I did.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Like I didn't see him play like ten games in
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: Indiana like four years ago. Now I from, by the way,
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: was the receiver that I was trying to.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Ian from the UK wore. Drafting Penix in the second
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: round be similar to drafting Gronk in terms of risk reward.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: I get Penis has more injury issues, way less of
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: a risk, but is it a chance worth taking dependent
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: depending on what we want to do with.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: Our Yeah, that would be way way less of a
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: risk than Gronk. Gronk did not play his last year
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: in college and a back injury too. There was a
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: chance that he was not ever going to be able
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: to be physically, you know, fit enough to play in
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: the NFL. Plus he seems like a meet ball right,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: like he fell asleep in his visit. I mean there was.
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: Meaning that he was that injured and then is the
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: greatest tight end of all time? Like to go like
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: like that?
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Just as easily could have been he went to training camp,
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: blocked a guy, hurt his back and never played. Yeah,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: like that just as easily could have unfolded that way.
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: Especially with how they protect quarterbacks in the league now too,
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: Like I just Penix, his injuries are bad, but it's
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: been a couple of years since he's been hurt and
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: he's been healthy at Washington, and you guys don't know.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: One of you two said it yesterday. That's going to
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: be the big thing at the combine his medicals. And
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: you know, I think the previous emailer pointed out, like,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: is it something that they think is structural And it's
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: going to be more like because I don't know necessarily
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: that you tear your acl and that means that you're
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: more susceptible to do it again. Now it definitely strips
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: you a little of your your burst and athleticism and
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: all that, but that I don't know if that necessarily
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: makes you a bigger injury risk moving forward.
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because at Indiana he was a runner. Look at Indiana,
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: he could run around and he doesn't run as nearly
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: as well now he can still move off his spot.
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: He moves the pot, yeah, the pocket, Yeah, but he doesn't.
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: He was he was a guy that would have added
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: like design runs on top of what he was now
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: at Indiana.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: But he's kind of a power runner and he too,
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: They used to use him like t bow.
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: Maybe maybe he's gotten better as a passer because he's
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: that way, and.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: That was the problem. Ye and he tore his a
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: cl twice.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: AJ in the Bay Area. Does picking a quarterback in
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: the top five and using one of the subsequent picks
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: on tackle mean that you are doing nothing to protect
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: the quarterback? There must be something I'm missing. Is tackle
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: a position like quarterback that if you pick outside of
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: the early first round you're hoping for good luck that
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: they are suitable for a championship roster? Are there only
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: ten left tackles in the NFL that enable you to
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: be a Super Bowl contender? Kind of like there are
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: only about ten quarterbacks. Just isolating the offensive side of
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: the football and oversimplifying the formula to being a successful
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: team in this league, you need a top eight quarterback,
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: a top twenty wide receiver, and a solid old line.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Doesn't that logic lend itself to getting a quarterback in
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: the top of the draft and using the subsequent picks
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: towards those other assets in the order of their importance
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: to the formula of success. I agree tackle is more
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: important than guard, but wouldn't using a first round pick
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: when you don't have your quarterback be similar to the
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: cold strange pick, where even if he ended up being
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: the best tackle in the league, you could still be
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: less than a playoff team. I don't even understand what
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: he's saying.
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: I kind of understand it. I just I think the
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: difference is is that the Patriots used to operate in
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: a world on offensive line where they could hand Dante
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: Scarnekia anybody and he would turn him into a starting
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: caliber tackle, right. And now they don't operate in that
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: world anymore where they have the developmental ability at coaching.
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: They maybe they hire a new offensive line coach, maybe
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: Adrian Clem ends up being better at his job than
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: I think. But right now you have to hand whoever
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: is going to be coaching that group a talented room,
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: because I don't think that they're just going to tear
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: turn you know whoever Sebastian Volmer in the second round
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: from Houston and turn him into a starting right tackle
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: for eight years, right like I don't.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: But you do not have to take a tackle in
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: the top five to get a good tackle, well, number one,
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: number two. There's a lot of teams that have success
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: with average to below average offensive line.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The more important thing is how good does your
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: or how high of draft picks does your roll on
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: need to be to be a championship caliber team.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: No, And I'm not saying that if whatever the way
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: this turned out, let's say it's disaster, okay, and they
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: beat the Jets and everybody else loses, and you drop
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: to like.
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: Six, I think it's five is the lowest thing.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: Okay, So five and you know everybody's gone. The trades
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: went up in front of you. You couldn't do it. Like,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that you don't take Joe Aalt or Fishanu.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: I'm not suggesting that you don't do that. But I
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: do think in this draft, the way that they've talked
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: about this, there are other tackles that will go in
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: the top twenty. So I think you can get like
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: the third or fourth tackle and they might all be
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: the same. That's probably not going to happen.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: We all with quarterback, Yeah, it'd be better to invest
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: in the best offensive line coach that you can find.
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: Well that I mean, I think the offensive line coach
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: is maybe the most important assistant coach you have on
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: your entire staff. And like that that spot because you're
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: coaching a bunch of guys, Like it's probably the biggest
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: group of guys that you have to coach, and it's
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: about getting all five guys to do it together at
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: the same time.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: Like that's a really hard and nobody else do. None
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: of the other coaches want to deal with it, so
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: you're kind of off on your own.
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's like one of those things too. And
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: I think this was Matt Patricia's problem, where like if
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: you weren't born in it, then you can't understand it,
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: Like if you're if you weren't you know a guy
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: like Dante Scarnekia who did it for so long, or
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: an offensive lineman in the past or whatever, like it's
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: so hard to learn the language. It's it's difficult if
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: you haven't really been in the trenches in that spot.
• 50:27
  Speaker 6: I would just say, like put the name to the claim,
• 50:30
  Speaker 6: like they have right now Vederian Lowe and Calvin Anderson
• 50:33
  Speaker 6: as their tackles on the roster.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: So you know, if you want to tell.
• 50:36
  Speaker 6: Me that Kennot's seventh tackle is going to be just fine, okay.
• 50:42
  Speaker 6: But I also maybe would like to just say, hey,
• 50:44
  Speaker 6: can we just get an absolute stud and make this
• 50:46
  Speaker 6: guy a cornerstone of the franchise and then no matter
• 50:49
  Speaker 6: what quarterback we're gonna put in there is going to
• 50:51
  Speaker 6: be very well protected. And you know this is not
• 50:54
  Speaker 6: even on the field, but like a guy who's going
• 50:56
  Speaker 6: to be a face of the franchise. Like I don't know,
• 50:58
  Speaker 6: I just it's easy to say that, but like there's
• 51:01
  Speaker 6: no good tackles and free agency, like you're you're kind
• 51:03
  Speaker 6: of screwed at the position this year, and that's what
• 51:06
  Speaker 6: we say, Well, you're just gonna throw a second or
• 51:08
  Speaker 6: third rounder in there and it'll be fine. Like that's
• 51:10
  Speaker 6: a little concerning to me, especially if you're talking about
• 51:12
  Speaker 6: a rookie quarterback getting in there and he's gonna get
• 51:13
  Speaker 6: his bell rung.
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: That's a big problem is the free agent market is terrible.
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: Like Trent Brown and Mike on Wino are two of
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: the best free agent tackles are gonna be available, and
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: that that's the two guys you have right now that
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: you think aren't good enough. So the tackle class is
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: pretty top heavy, but there are quite a few guys
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: that are gonna go in the top fifty picks that
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: people think can play. But then it just drops off completely.
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: Whereas like wide receiver is really really deep. Yeah, like
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: this is probably one of the best wide receiver classes
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: we've seen in the last week.
• 51:46
  Speaker 6: Like every year, I feel like, you know, there's always
• 51:48
  Speaker 6: just a collection of guys over the first two days
• 51:50
  Speaker 6: that you know we'll be able to make an impact.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: And that's I just feel like that. I mean, they
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: absolutely need to draft tackles. I mean, I mean they
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: should have last year. Really, that's I just feel like
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: we kind of loss. Like I think Evan's point about
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: the way that the unit has been coached is big
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: a part of the problem because I've seen them operate
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: with average to below average players at these positions and
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: it's been fine. Now, obviously Tom Brady helps that and
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: you don't have that, but I think that they've had
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: problems with communication and with you know, sort of execution
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: on simple stunts that happen all the time.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the communications poor.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: So I think that's partly at least on the coaching.
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: Yep, yep. Rich in New York enjoying the show during
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: the workday as always, I agree with Evan from past
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: shows who commented on the baggage about Caleb Williams with
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: his father, et cetera. That couple with Caleb's poor play
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: against good teams makes me skeptical about picking him so high.
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: I think Jayden Daniels has the grit to be an
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: NFL quarterback despite his frame not being as big as Lamar, etc.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: When Jaden transferred from Arizona State, his teammates made fun
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: of him and trashed his locker.
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: Was Washington, did you hear that they scored fifty?
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: I mean having a whisper.
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: I think like he got killed against Notre Dame. Notre Dame,
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: there's no doubt about that. Washington, pretty good. Yeah, I
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: got in a shootout in that game.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: When Jaden transferred from Arizona State, his teammates made fun
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: of him and trashed his locker. The video went viral online.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: He didn't run home to his mother crying. He bawled
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: out at LSU and then won the Heisman separately, How
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: do you compare this situation? This this situation to the
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: early nineties when the Patriots drafted Drew. Yes, I know
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: they had the number one pick that year.
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: How do you know Jaden Daniels didn't go home and
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: cry to his mom Just because it wasn't he doesn't
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: mean he didn't do it.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: Caleb Williams ran hiding from Oklahoma and went to USC
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: and what did he do? I'll fill it in. He
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: won the Heisman?
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: Oh okay, yeah, just.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: Again, if you don't want Caleb Williams or Drake may
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: or Jayden whoever you picked, that's fine. I just please
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: don't give me that he cried to his mother as
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: a reason why you don't want to take Caleb Williams.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: Tell me something football wise why you don't want to
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: take them.
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: A little bit of a couple of news items here, Oh,
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: not nothing major, but the Chiefs are saying that Patrick
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: Mahomes is not playing in the game on Sunday against
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: the Chargers, which matters because the Chargers are five and
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: eleven and are right in the in the mix draft
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: pick wise, so that that adds entry to that. And
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: also Zach Wilson still not out of concussion protocol, so
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: looking like Trevor Simes the Jets.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: I can ask a question though, Paul, like, did we
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: play him when he was a Denver?
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: We've played him before, I don't remember where it was.
• 54:46
  Speaker 6: Just just regards with the crying, doesn't bother me.
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: But if the father thing worries me, but it's not
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: gonna lie about.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: That's kind of performative and that and that would be
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: I don't cry. I don't care. But the performative names
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: would agree with that that that's a little bit of
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: a bug.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: To me, I think he's a little bit of a headcut.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: It's fine if you think that's a bug. Like again,
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: I don't have any problem with including all of this.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: Just don't tell me he stinks because of that. Oh yeah,
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: which is what's happening, not to the people who matter,
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: the people on the radio. They're saying this like he
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: cried to his mother. I'm out on him.
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: Like I've heard that like ten times by my boys
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: on my show.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: I'm out on him.
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: He cried.
• 55:24
  Speaker 6: It's okay, yeahs im as being rational about it, right,
• 55:28
  Speaker 6: It's not the crying. It's just, you know, it felt
• 55:30
  Speaker 6: like I'm going to make this about me right now.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: And I don't know.
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: I just worry about him in this market. Like I
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: don't worry about him in terms of his talent. I'm
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: kind of with Paul on this, like in terms of
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: all that type of stuff, But I just worry about
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: him in this market, like is he mentally tough enough
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: to handle Boston? Because if he doesn't play well right
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: out of the gate, or if he struggles like Mac
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: did you know after a good rookie year, Like, I
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: don't know how Mac handled being in this environment. I
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: don't know if it was the best for him. That
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: every single person is shouting that he stinks.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: And that you know, Zappi's getting changed, right.
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, I don't know how all that stuff really.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: They lost that game fifty two to forty two. He
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: doesn't play well against good teams.
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: That was the game.
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: That was the game, that was the Washington It was
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: against Washington, the best team that they played.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Colin and Scotland. Do you think we could get
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: Justin Fields for a third or fourth round pick and
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: try and get Marvin Harrison Junior with our first pick?
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: Or do you think Fields is a lost cause.
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: I think you get them maybe with a maybe with
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: a third round pick, because I saw the follow up
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: thing it said second and second or third, and I
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: got to think the Patriots being in the high second,
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: they would be closer to third. Yeah, you know what
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: I mean. If if you think it's second to third,
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: you're not going to get a high second for him.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: It's probably gonna be something in between. I feel skewed because.
• 56:53
  Speaker 6: We saw him play pretty well here against the Patriots
• 56:55
  Speaker 6: last year when when they you know, that was probably
• 56:57
  Speaker 6: the worst, one of the worst losses of the season.
• 56:59
  Speaker 6: I don't know, I can't I don't feel like I
• 57:01
  Speaker 6: can speak really to like. He still has talent. I mean,
• 57:04
  Speaker 6: you see what he does, but it just isn't consistent.
• 57:07
  Speaker 6: And I think trying to predict whether someone will find
• 57:09
  Speaker 6: that consistency and be able to play game in game out,
• 57:12
  Speaker 6: not making dumb mistakes, making good throws, you know, throwing
• 57:15
  Speaker 6: it away when the like it's it's really hard to predict.
• 57:18
  Speaker 6: And I think that's exactly what Chicago's probably asking themselves
• 57:21
  Speaker 6: right now.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: But we kind of.
• 57:22
  Speaker 6: Talked earlier like that, you've you've spent the pick on
• 57:25
  Speaker 6: the guy, You've invested in him a little bit, maybe
• 57:27
  Speaker 6: fill a couple other needs, and then see what happens
• 57:29
  Speaker 6: with him this year, and if you got to go
• 57:30
  Speaker 6: back to it, then then you've got some other pieces
• 57:32
  Speaker 6: in place waiting for that guy.
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not too interested in justin fields and I
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: was a big fan of his coming out.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: That that would only be if if I can't get anybody.
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I just don't really see how that's a means
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: to an end for the Patriots. Like, so you're gonna
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: take another quarterback that that needs that's missing something. There's
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: just something, you know, the consistency thing. I think is
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: exactly it, Mike, that he's just not as a thrower.
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: He's just not consistent enough to do it for four
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: quarters every week can consistently be locked in and you're
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: gonna try to fix that problem. I just I don't
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: see it.
• 58:07
  Speaker 6: I think I also think I've been a little bit
• 58:10
  Speaker 6: I don't want to say broken by Cam Newton, but
• 58:12
  Speaker 6: like just that year of Cam Newton, Like, I just
• 58:14
  Speaker 6: I have no desire for a retread quarterback.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: Like there's just a big part.
• 58:18
  Speaker 6: Of me that would just say I'd rather get my
• 58:20
  Speaker 6: butt kicked with Bailey Zappy and get you know, and get.
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: A first overall pick.
• 58:24
  Speaker 6: Then you know, to bring in one of these guys
• 58:26
  Speaker 6: who's been everywhere and you don't really have any hopes
• 58:29
  Speaker 6: of doing anything with them, but you need to put
• 58:32
  Speaker 6: somebody in the position.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: And it can't be you know, Bailey's Appy again.
• 58:35
  Speaker 6: So I'm probably wrong, I know it, but I just
• 58:37
  Speaker 6: am like I just I'm like, go back to your
• 58:39
  Speaker 6: Stidham thing, like I just like, just play Steadham then, like,
• 58:41
  Speaker 6: let let's just take our lumps and instead of trying to.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: Fake it with with a film I don't like, it
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be this would be a that would totally be
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: a bridge guy, not not a fake it. We're not
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: we're not like we're not taking a run like And
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: again I.
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: Agree with you guys.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: If there's four or five quarterbacks that I would say, like,
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: I don't really like bo Nicks and JJ McCarthy, but
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: you could sell me on the other the other four Williams,
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: may Daniels and Pennix. You can sell me on those four.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean you can get them. It doesn't
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: mean you guaranteed to get them. And if they don't,
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: I don't just want to run it back with Bailey's appy,
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: like I want something to come in here.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: Maybe you'd say, well, that's too expensive getting you know,
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: justin Fields. You know, there's got to be this year's
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: version of Baker Mayfield available or something like that. Mayfield,
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, I don't think he's going to be available. Yeah,
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: especially if especially if they win Sunday.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Joe from Watkins Glenn Wright in Fred's talking about
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: the twenty fourteen movie Draft Day, where the quarterback was
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: supposed to go number one at a party and none
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: of his teammates went to it and he ended up
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: falling in the draft. I didn't say it.
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: This is this is this is this is great.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: Your guy said it.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: We've had our listeners introduce us to Michael Pennix today.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: I've never seen him, never heard of them. And now
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you've got I have heard this,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: but there's a movie called Draft Day where both hand
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: doesn't have anybody.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: That movie I won all my picks back, Like what, like,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: what do you what kind of realistic movie is?
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: It was completely unrealistic.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: That's the one with Kevin Costner, right, And oh yeah,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: you didn't think that was realistic? It wasn't, But I
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: thought it was an I was.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: I found it very entertaining, not realistic in any way.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: I went in with very very low, low expectations and
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, this is it. It's it's okay.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: You know what else? You know why they ended up
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: picking the guy that they picked because he gave the
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: hundred dollars bill back, right. He was the only one.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: He was the only one the only right.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: I know you like you're looking for realism, but if
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: you were to make a movie about Draft Day the
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: way it really is, it'd be boring as hell.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: That is true, I get I get that to an extent,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: but it's just like, can we have some sort of
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 4: realism whatsoever?
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: Like it was pretty bad, he traded everything and then
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: just brought it all back.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 4: Just that it does not work.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: Evan's you're the extreme end of it.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 6: But like my wife, who is is the most casual
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 6: of casual football fans, she enjoyed it too. I mean
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 6: it puts it for people who aren't really like investing,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 6: they understand at least the dynamics.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: I agree with that.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 6: I found it entertaining watch, but you know, it's like
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 6: a it's like a you know, draft for dummies.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 4: Kin, I'll never get that. Two hours back.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: Travis in West Virginia. I think this is aimed at Evan.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure, but he says, since his play has
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: been mediocre of late, or any of you considering removing
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: the Josh Allen fathead from your bedroom wall? Oh, either
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: Paul or Evan.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: That could be the one of us. I mean, Evan
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: has more of a crush than I do. Yeah, I
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: do have I.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: Do have a crush. I was disappointed I didn't get
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 4: to see him after the game on Sunday. I remember me. Yeah,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: look I I Barts was texting me all of the
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: game on Sunday. Your boys stayings. He's awful.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: This that the other thing like unbelievable.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: I would trade places with Buffalo and harp Beat right now,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: like if you were, and all of you would do
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: the exact same.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: If they pants off, if you if there was a
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: trade tomorrow that all these all of these guys on
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: Twitter every week, Yeah, we'd have left to tell you
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: every time he makes a mistake, would be pants.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: Have an emergency podcast, that would be. But he didn't
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: listen to ever.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: Well, he didn't play well at all in the game.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: He was terrible.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 4: He was terrible, and you still weren't even close to
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 4: really winning the football game against them.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: So do you guys think they're in trouble though?
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 6: I mean, do you think that he's in trouble, that
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 6: that the things are turning for him or do you
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 6: think that I mean, I just something feels trouble.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: Was forty two touchdowns? Then I'll sign up for that
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: trouble again.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 6: But I mean, like, but as far as the team, like,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 6: you know, it's just it seems like they you know.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 6: And I'm saying this because I I want Josh. I
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 6: don't want him, but he deserves to be I think
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 6: they successful.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: I think they have some flaw.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: This is the thing. I was talking to a long
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: time beat writer in Buffalo when I was up there,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: and there's added pressure on the team right now because
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: they're building this new stadium. The state or minutes of
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: or whoever is going to pay for one and a
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: half billion of that stadium.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: Anything over that the bills have to come up with,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: and there's the minimum will be half a billion, you know.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: And it's not like they have a big corporate base
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: there and they're selling suites like in LA and everything.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: So come to Buffalo.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: So this guy was saying, if for some reason they
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: didn't get into the playoffs, it looks like now they might.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: But no, it's not definite. But we were talking before
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: the game, you know, and he was saying, if there's
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: you know, some reason they don't get into the playoffs,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be there's gonna be a.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: Lot of people they have a very good chance to
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: not go to the playoffs.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so there's pressure on the team, pressure on
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: the owner that trickles down to you know, ra and
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: then to the players. I think had to get that.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 4: I think his problem is so coach. There's so much
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 4: coaching though, because it's just the way he plays, and
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: Dable just seems like the only guy that could get
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 4: through to him to play under control and all these
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 4: other people can't do it. But at the same time,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 4: he can beat you any given Sunday like Torment. Yeah.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: What I think Dabel did was that Dabel found the
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: like the line like you can do this and you
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: can do that, but you have to do this than
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: this too. Yeah, and where I think early in the
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: year with Ken Dorsey it was like you can't run anymore,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: just you need to stop doing all that, stop being stupid,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: just stay in the pocket. And he can't play like that. Yeah.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: And then now it's you know, the desperation sets in
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: and you they basically need to win all their games
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: to make the playoffs. So every third down increases in importance,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: and you see him make a decision like he did
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter where he's a yard short and
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: he's trying to reach the ball out in the middle
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: of the field, right like you like most coaches would
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: teach you don't do that on the goal line. That's
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: what he did it in the middle of the field
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: with the ball extended. That fumble could have cost him
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: the game.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I just it's so funny too, because all of
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: the advanced metrics still love the Bills offense, and they
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 4: love Josh.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: Allen, like the Bills offense is not.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: When you watch it, it's such a different vibe than
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 4: what if you just look at the spreadsheet right now
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: at them, because they if you just looked at the
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 4: stats and all that, like he might be the MVP
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 4: of the league. But then you actually watch their offense
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: and you're like, this is all over the place.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 6: And even if you look at the personnel on paper
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 6: where it's like you got Digs, you got the number one,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 6: you got Gabe Davis, good deep threat. Shakier's kind of
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 6: emerging as a slot guy. You drafted these you know,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 6: the tight end who goes with Knox, who's been pretty
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 6: good and given the Patriots problems is I guess I'm
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 6: just looking at it if I was you know, a
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 6: Bills front office guy, what would I be looking at
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 6: this offseason, Like, what would I look to change to
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 6: try to get him at that level where it felt
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 6: like they were knocking on the day super Bowl.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: They need some consistency out of guys not named Digs. Yeah,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: I mean I don't know, Like if that Shakiir, I
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: think it's probably at this point we've seen enough of
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: Gave Davis. It ain't him.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 4: They want it to be like, yeah, yeah, I think
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 4: he's fine, But I just don't think you get like
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 4: they needed another presence, yeah, like a dynamic player.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: It's funny to say that he had a fifty one
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: yard catch.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, kin Kaid's more explosive than I thought he was going.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: I thought he was going to be that steady possession
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 4: tight end or that, and I think that's what they
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 4: thought too. And as a rookie, he's been more the
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 4: fifty one yard catch guy than he has been you know,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: just the and I think that that's almost been backwards
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 4: for them in a way, like it just they have
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 4: been targeting him a lot on like just little passes
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 4: over the middle, like and just trying to get him
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 4: to move the chains for them and I just don't
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 4: think it's out of that much consistency.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: James Pettigrew, the most interesting Patriots fan in the world,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: rites in about the movie Draft Dass. I remember taking
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: a laminated copy of Jimmy Johnson's trade value chart to
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: the theater being very disappointed.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: Doesn't add up, doesn't add up.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 4: That was a shot at you asked, you know what.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 6: The perfect though, I think for the Bills is like
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 6: that DeAndre Hopkins move.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: You know where you.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 6: Get that like a little older receiver still got some juice,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 6: doesn't you know. Maybe he isn't going to be the
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 6: huge contract, but you know, to be able to get
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 6: more of those point.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: The thing with them is the reason why they made
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: an offensive coordinator move is because they knew they had
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: the people to be better. We should be performing better
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: than we are.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but your point about Ora is actor. I do
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: think there's like and I think he's unlike most. I
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: think he's a pretty good coach. I don't know if
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: he gets tight in big games, and maybe that's you know,
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: what happens, and that's a flaw obviously, but I do
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: think there's a staleness to it that, like.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 4: You're good you're good. You're good.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: We just can't seem to get past the AFC Championship.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: We can't get to the super Bowl.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 4: And then maybe there's a little bit of a frustration
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: level come to that.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: He's Mark Jackson, Mark Jackson, I think of more NFL,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: but he's.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 4: Mark Jackson, like he's the Warriors Mark Jackson.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: Then Steve Kirk came in and they yeah.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: I will say this about like I thought their defense
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: was completely done, Like when they lost all those guys
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: and they would given up. They would given up a
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: lot of yards and a lot of points in some
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: of those games. And McDermott was under fire because remember
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: he sort of won the power play with Leslie Frazier.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: They didn't like the way they were playing. He left.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: I'm going to call the plays. They lose Milano, they
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: lose White, they lose Jones, they lost a lot of players.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 4: Don Miller he's.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: Been he's well, he hasn't really been a part of
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: the defense. I don't call him a loss because he
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: hasn't done anything for him. But they lost a lot
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: of personnel and they didn't look like they had any
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: answers on how to fix it. Now all of a
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: sudden the last month, the defense has played pretty well.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: For Raszello Douglas really who just wanted to.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: That was a big moved bean A lot of credit
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: Player of the Week Rasul Douglas.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 4: That was a huge move for them defensively. And I
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 4: wonder like if you gave because I think McDermott is probably,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 4: like you kind of said, going stale, Like I think
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 4: that it's probably.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: I just wonder just from a fight.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 4: I don't know if Ben Johnson is their head coach
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 4: next year and he gets like puts Josh Allen in
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 4: the Jared Goff offense and like kind of gets him
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 4: to harness it a little bit more Like I feel
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: like those types of guys that are offensive minded would
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 4: have that ability to come in and and say, we're
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 4: going to put you in a system and it's gonna
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: produce the explosive plays for you. So you're not running
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 4: around like you don't have to run, right, You.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: Run when we want you to run. Yeah? Yeah. Barton
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: Poland says question mainly to Evan Shocker. Aren't you a
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: bit concerned that most of Pennox's production comes outside the numbers?
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: He has horrendous numbers when throwing up the middle, and
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: NFL teams will exploit that. I'm still not sold. However,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: if he keeps a production against a very good Michigan defense,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: then I may be swayed.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I just if you're good, Like we could probably
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 4: say the same thing. The other guys are good throwing
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 4: in the middle of the field and aren't good outside
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 4: the numbers. So you worried about it, you would you rather?
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 4: I would say middle of the field, not me. But
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 4: I think that it if you're really really good at
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 4: one thing, then I can build around that if it
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 4: doesn't really make it difference.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: And I don't know the numbers, so I'll trust it.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: But I mean I saw an absolute seed that he
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: threw right down the middle for a touchdown touch on
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: like between the two.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 6: I watched it like six times, Like how did that
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 6: even get through? Like, I mean, I'm sure that he
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 6: has the numbers.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't have those kinds of numbers, can
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: I it's a scratch for a second. Sure he just
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: brought up mac Jones. So there was a and and
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know if this was a lot of people. Yeah,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: I have an inch to scratch, and you know, that
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: that's right, I have an inch, I'm itching. I'm scratching it.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 4: What's wrong with that?
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: Can I scratch? Can I itch a scratch? Real quick?
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: So, Bailey's Appy throws three picks. And there's been a
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: lot of credit quote unquote given to the resilience of
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: the Patriots on Sunday, which I would agree with. I
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: don't think they didn't tucktail and go home and.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 4: Lose by thirty.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: They kept fighting and got this, got themselves back in
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: the game, what you know. And then there was a
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: line of thought and I heard it on my shows
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: this morning driving in. Well that's the quarterback, you know,
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: Bailey's Appy, Like you know, he didn't he didn't let
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: it get to him. He kept fighting, and that's what
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: they weren't getting in Mac and against New Orleans it
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: fell apart, you know. Once he threw a pick, it
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: was all over. He was a puddle. And I started thinking,
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: you guys, correct me if I'm wrong. I didn't go
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: back and look at that look this up. But like
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: I was thinking back to the opener where the first
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: drive of the season ends in a pick six, and
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: then the next drive, then the next drive ends up
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: with a fumble and all of a sudden, they're down
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: sixteen to nothing, and he responded with two of the
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: best drives he had all year. They didn't tucktail and
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: go home.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: That was a long time ago.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: No, But my point is it took some time for
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 4: mac Jones to look like he did.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: Okay, so we get a few more games like that
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: from Bailey Zappi and then what happens.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe he's the same.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: Like I think Mac Jones didn't tucktail in the in
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: the first game. He didn't do that in the second
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: game either, when Ta Mario Douglas fumbled and they never
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: got to see the field again as an aside, and
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: also threw a pick in the second half of that
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: game as they were trying to get back into the game. No,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: they kept fighting to the last possession, and they gave
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: themselves a chance. I don't think they had it really
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: a huge chance to win either game. But my point is,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: why was that not resilient? Why is it only resilient
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: when Bailey's Appy does it?
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I didn't really even look at it
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: that way.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 6: I just I looked at it more as Bailey's Appy
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 6: just kept doing what Bailey's Appy does and it wasn't
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 6: really that remarkable or that inspired. It's just you know
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 6: they I mean, what more did they do?
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: And if you guys disagree, if I've created.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: A straw man, there's less pressure on them too.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: But if I've created a straw man and people don't
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: look at it that way, but I heard that a lot.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 6: Yeah, No, I mean I do think the context of
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 6: the season and what's to play for in the first
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 6: game of the season, and you know, not giving up,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 6: you know, after the first two drives of the season
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 6: versus you know your team is already out and you're
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 6: four and eleven.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: How many times have you heard how many more games
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: they would have won if they made this? Okay? Well,
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: can I can I just ask like, can you let
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: me know, did he play like he did in the
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: first half against Pittsburgh against the Charge against the Giants,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: or did he play like he did in the first
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: half against Buffalo against the Giants? Right?
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 6: And that's and that's exactly Like like so much of
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 6: Zappi's game, you can draw complete parallels to what Mac
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 6: did exactly the same.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 4: It's basically the same Mac joneses. I mean bailey's Appi's
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 4: numbers as a starter are slightly better than Mac Jones',
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 4: only slightly. It's like one point two touchdowns to like
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 4: zero point nine. Like that's the difference. Yeah, Bailey Zappi's
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 4: QBR is thirty eight, mac Jones is thirty six.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: Wow?
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 4: Is that just as the highest? Is that just as
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 4: a starter? Just as the starter? Okay, yeah, because both terrible.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the rating is like eighty nine to seventy
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: eight or something like that.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 4: It's it's not all that different. I think I wrote it.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 4: The only difference really is that they were eighty seven
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 4: to seventy seven. The big difference is obviously the big plays.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 4: Like Bailey Zappy has produced more big plays down the field.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 4: Now he's also had guys make catches for him, so
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 4: that that might be Like Jalen Rager drops the deep
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 4: ball against Washington, he caught.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: Caught the one on Sunday. That's what I was doing
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: my mic thing. It's like you think Mac just looks.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: I say, some of them we get specialtys touchdowns. This
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: jackass couldn't catch a cold. When I was throwing it
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: to Devonte Parker too. What was the Parker drop earlier
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: in the season with Mac and Raiders and Raiders get
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: the Raiders, and he was like five for five and
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: contested catches in Denver.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, right, no help, Let's get to the a stick.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: He had no high picked pats five hundred. Eldred's in
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: North Carolina. What's up, Eldred?
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 11: Hey, hey fellows all y'all doing good? Held I'm doing good, okay,
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 11: Paul Phoenix number outside downfield is eighty one in the
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 11: middle more like sixty and liberated in the mediate's fifty five.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 11: Heard it when he played six, They said that dn.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: You know, sounds like really good numbers to me. Sixty
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: sixty down the field.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 11: And he can run down the field.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: That sounds like a pretty good number to me.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 11: Yeah, eighty one percent, But sixty.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: He was a suck.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 11: He was the sucking behind that he should have won
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 11: the high He did more than late than Daniels did,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 11: got his team in the championship and everything. So, like
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 11: I said, like I keep killing my boy Evans, Evan,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 11: I take him any day over with Drake May and
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 11: Caleb Williams. Reason why May can't play that good against
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 11: a good team and he's not that accurate. You even
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 11: said it yourself. He's a model player. You got a groom.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 11: Why you want to groom somebody when you got a
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 11: quarterback you can throw and run. I wouldn't groom him.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 11: And william he just came out and told you a
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 11: while back before the right drafts talking about draft off
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 11: New England Chicago.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 4: He will not play for I completely dismiss any of that.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 11: Yes, and that's why I said, why would you want somebody?
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 11: I just don't want to come to your bra.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: You can't take Caleb Williams anyway, so it doesn't matter.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: I think that The thing.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 4: The thing is is that you know Pennix. You if
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 4: you stack Penix's film from this year up again, he
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 4: has better film than every everybody, Like he's had the
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 4: best year out of anybody in the draft. But you're
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 4: not drafting based off of college production. Like that's how
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 4: they got mac Jones, is they drafted a guy that
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 4: had a high floor in there, you know in the
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 4: draft world, like high floor prospect that had really good
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 4: numbers in college and got his team to a national
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 4: championship and all that kind of stuff. But you should
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 4: be drafting the guy with the best physical tools the
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 4: best traits, and Drake May's traits are just better than Pennix's,
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 4: but there's more seasoning that needs to be done. But
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 4: that means he has a higher ceiling. So like you
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 4: can talk yourself into either direction. But I just think
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 4: with Pennix, like comparing his film from this year to
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 4: Drake May as his apples to oranges because he's throwing
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 4: to Roma Dunz and Polk and Marshall who's going to
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 4: be a first round pick next year, and he's behind
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 4: an offensive line who's left tackle is going to be
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 4: a top fifty pick like, and then at UNC, Drake
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 4: May has tes Walker and that's like pretty much it,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 4: you know, in terms of NFL talent on that roster around.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: Him, and it isn't much of a runner by the way,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: It's just not.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 4: A fair comparison. Like if you put Drake May and
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 4: Washington's offense and you put Pennis in Washington's offense, Okay,
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 4: then we'll see who's a better player. But right now,
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 4: the most the most rushing attempts he's had in the
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 4: season was thirty five. Like that's not South India, No,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 4: that was with Washington.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the last two years. He had thirty five runs
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: last year and thirty two this year. Now that like,
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to give you the yards because that
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: in college they do it screwy and the sack total
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: counts as rushing for the quarterback. So like he had
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: thirty two, he had thirty two carries for thirteen yards
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: this year. But that's not indicative of when he runs.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: He lost a lot of sack yardage, right, Yeah, but
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: I'm just talking about the attempts Like he's not you know, he's.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 4: Much more of like a to like move, move off
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 4: the spot type of player. Yeah, and I think he
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 4: does move very well in the pocket.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Todd's in North Carolina. Hey Todd, Hey guys.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 12: I remember at the start of the year, and I
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 12: think it was on I read it on Bleach.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 10: Report back in the day. It was like last February,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 10: Craft came out and said that there's going to be
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 10: changes and this team is going to come and I
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 10: think he was promising the season ticket holders and the
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 10: fans in general that you know, we're going to do this.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 10: How much of that will affect his final decision on
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 10: whether he keeps Spill or not, because I know you
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 10: guys are kind of some of you, not all of you,
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 10: but some of you waffled on whether Bill's going to
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 10: be back or nottff like that. So it's just curious
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 10: to think, if you know, will that project forward or
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 10: is this going to be just solely based on this
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 10: you know right here and now?
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: Well, well, I think that. I think it's the same mindset.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: We need to start winning, so, you know, whatever how
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: that manifests, whether it's Bill leaving or bringing in coaches
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: or spending money in free agency. I think there's a
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: sense of urgency with the craft. There's no doubt that
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: it hasn't gone away.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: And that's set the president.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 6: You know, like last year, it's like and that's why
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 6: we're talking about next week. It's like something has to
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 6: happen next week. If it's not, you know, a change
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 6: a head coach, it's another one of those messages of
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 6: you know, if they were to.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: Keep BI, I think what they're willing and why they
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: would have to explain it. I think because you know
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: that's what they've established already.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: Ye let's go to SPI and Fresnow what's up, speed spear?
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, last day that you can say, happy new year
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 4: about that.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 13: I'm sorry, thanks for letting me know the cap, No cap,
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 13: I had a have a question regarding the excuse me,
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 13: the mechanics of I guess what can happen with Bill?
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 13: And if Kraft finds willing trade partner, but say, like
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 13: Bill doesn't want to go there because let's hypothetically, maybe
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 13: it's the Lions or something. Because I assume that in
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 13: Bill's contract he has some right to refuse a trade.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 13: So if he did, how like, how does that work?
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 12: Would he have to retire in order to get out of.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 13: A trade arrangement or like that?
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 8: Craft?
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 13: Would that take?
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: Like craft?
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 13: He wouldn't have to pay Bill's salary if still retired
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 13: like that?
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: Then it gets messy. It gets messy because no matter what,
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: even if he retires, the Patriots would still have his rights.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: So if he once he retires, pay his salary?
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 3: What?
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: No, if he retires, they don't have to pay his salary?
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: What's that?
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 13: I'm sorry? Would they have to pay his I think
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 13: it's twenty five million right that they'd o Bill on
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 13: his salary? So would they still have to pay that
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 13: if Bill retired to get out of a trade.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: No, if he retired I don't think you have to
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: if you fire him, you do.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 4: Can I ask a question?
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't. I don't have the answer to this.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: That'd be a bad lawyer. Are you allowed to trade
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: a coach if he doesn't want to go?
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: No?
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: No, I mean you can't force a guy to go somewhere.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: But like I'm saying, like a player, you could force
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: a player. You can just trade him, right, and if
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: he doesn't go, he doesn't go, like you, he's cut
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: or whatever, there's a resolution. I don't think you can
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: just trade a coach. I don't either, unless the coach
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: wants to go somewhere else, right exactly.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 13: That's confusing. And he's the GM too, so it makes
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 13: more confuted.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I just don't think that Robert can
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: go to a bill and say, oh, by the way,
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: we've traded you to Detroit, right, I don't think you
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: can do They can't do that.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 4: So what happens then he he's interested in going to
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 4: coach somebody else, like say Dallas or a Chargers, and
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 4: then they go and they work out some kind of
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 4: a compensation deal.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: We'll let him go. Yeah, we'll let him go. You
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: we know you want him to be your coach, Slade
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: us a second round pick and we'll call it a day.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's how refuses with a cowboy. Well, he'd
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: be part of it, though, well, I mean I think
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: they're all part of it, you know, like they're all
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: negotiating that deal. Don't you want that it's not Robert
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: and just you know, Jerry Jones.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 4: That would be ideal, you get.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you have any concerns or worries, you'd say, well,
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: we feel better about it if he was in the
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: other conference, that would be ideal.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: The fact that we haven't heard more of this because
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: every time, pretty much every time a team fires a coach,
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: there's time left on the contract and they have to pay.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: This is true, they have to pay it. And the
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: fact that we haven't heard more of this type of
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: stuff means that it doesn't happen a lot, you know
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: what I mean? You know, you know what I mean,
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: where the team doesn't want the coach, they fire him
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: and then they get compensation from another team.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: When there's a trade involving a coach, it's usually and
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: I think probably one hundred percent, the coach wants to
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: go somewhere else, right, Yeah, and says I'm not coming
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: back here. Oh you're not coming back here? Okay, well
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: you're still under contract for us. Oh, but I want
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: to go to Sean Payton.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: More like Bill Belichick from the Jets to here.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: In gruten going from Tampa to the Raiders. Yeah, I
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: just think I mean the Raiders. The example from some
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: people like the deeper question.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 13: I was trying, I'm trying to figure out who has more.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: Power in the situation, and you're making BILLI Yes, I
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: think Bill has more power because of the money.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 6: I also think we don't know what's in his contract,
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 6: And I mean Fred mentioned what was in the parcels contract,
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 6: and there's you know, probably stipulations in there that might
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 6: cover this kind of stuff that we don't.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: The only thing, the money is the is the issue.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: And I believe the report that says that he's under
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: contract for twenty four so that to me gives Bill
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: the leverage no matter what the contract.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 4: I think Bill has all the leverage because he's it's
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 4: it's his. He's the guy, like he's the commodity, right,
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 4: And in this case, it's not like a player where
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 4: the league is in control of the player. The team
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 4: is in control of the player. Bill could retire, Bill
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 4: could go into TV, he could coach someplace else next year,
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 4: and the Patriots would have to facilitate it pretty much.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: And there's no CBA for coaches, you know. CBA only
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: applies to players. They've tried to create a coaches association,
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: you know, a formal coaches association with their own thing,
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: but I don't think they've ever been able to do that.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 4: He certainly wouldn't be a part of it if they did.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there was a guy that used to be here
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 4: that headed that up. I forget his name.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 13: Now, one more question on this line. So, like, let's
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 13: just say hypothetically Craft is only able to find the
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 13: Lions as a willing trade partner. Bill doesn't want to
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 13: do that, and Bill doesn't want to retire.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: What does he just sit for the year and they
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: have to fire him. That's that's the Patriots have to
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: fire him, and they have to pay him, right.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 4: That's that's why Bill has the leverage in this situation,
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 4: is because that exact scenario.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: Now now during that time, now, once they fire him
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: and and he's still under content, they're still paying him.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: I think they still have his rights for that year
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: while they're paying So then like you know, if you
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: wanted to go to another team, I think the Patriots
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: could then ask for compensation so.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 4: They fire him. No, I don't think so, right, well.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: They if they fire him, they still have to pay him.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I don't think that that means that they
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 4: have control over him.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: They maybe if they fire him, they lose control of him,
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: but they would have to pay him.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, that's why.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 4: That's why, like you know, that's why the Patriots bring
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 4: back Joe Judge, Matt Patricia are those guys because they're
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 4: still getting paid by everybody.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: But if he goes to Dallas, let's say, yeah, they
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: don't have to pay him anymore Dallas. No, Patriots don't
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: have to pay him.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 4: No, no, if he goes to do if they fire him,
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 4: if they fire him, would yeah, if they fire him
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 4: and he goes to Dallas, they still have to pay him.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 4: That's that's Matt Patricia.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no, no no, because Matt Patricia
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: didn't take the same job if if Bill Belichick left
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: was fired.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: They would probably be offset language right.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: Potentially if he if yeah, if he was fired here
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: Patriots are playing him, but then he takes a job
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: with Dallas. Whatever Dallas is paying him comes off of
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: what the Patriots are paying him.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 4: I believe that would be the case, right, But I
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 4: and they can you know, to Dallas. Like so this
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 4: is like, you know a lot of people say, Jerry
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 4: Jones doesn't pay can't They wouldn't be able to do that.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 4: Jerry Jones doesn't pay coaches. The Chargers don't pay coaches. No, no, no, no,
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 4: But this is how those teams might be able to
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 4: do it.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But see when like guys like Floyd Reese or
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: you know, Dean uh not Dan Pece, but dom Capers
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: came here, they were on contracts. We hire them at
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: a different position, and we don't give him a title.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: We don't. But if the Dallas tried to get away
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: with that and say, oh, we're just gonna name him
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: you know there, the Patriots would then go to the
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: league and the league would have to get involved because
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: you know, they're not gonna the Patriots aren't gonna let
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: a team get away with saying, oh, we're paying him
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: a million bucks and you're still on the hook for
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: twenty four million but they could pay him ten Yeah,
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: I think I think even then the Patriots would think, I.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 4: Mean, you can file a complaint, but what is their grounds?
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 4: They do the same thing all the.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: Time because the league, the league would intercede, they would
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: mediate that.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 4: I think it's difficult about it too, is that he's
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 4: technically getting paid for two jobs with the Patriots. Right,
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 4: So a team like Dallas could argue, well, we're just
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 4: paying him as the head coach because Jerry's the GM
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 4: and so we're not. He's not running personnel here like
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 4: he did in New England.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I could do that.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the other complicated thing. But I think that
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 4: people that talk about it and say, well, the Chargers
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 4: and the Cowboys don't pay coaches, well, what if they
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 4: don't have to pay him his full boat?
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 4: What if the Patriots are still on the hook for
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 4: paying it?
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 6: Thanks to me, congratulations to Brock Purty, the leading vote
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 6: getter for the Pro Bowl Games.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: Wow, Chris is in Maine? What's up, Chris? What happened
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: to Chick fil A?
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 4: We gotta take a break.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: I gotta go get it.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 4: You forget?
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? You mean to tell me if
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: I said, we're gonna take a break. You could have
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: gone and got it. We'll take areak, We'll take a break, Chris,
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna put you one.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: Take a break.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 4: Wait till he gets back.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Alright, go ahead, Chris, go ahead.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: I just get one from Matt too. Yeah.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 12: I'm going to the game getting tickets for the game
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 12: on Sunday, and it's the first time I've been able
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 12: to get him for giel Atte. And I was wondering
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 12: with the parking situation. I've been to the Jets stadium
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 12: before parking passes. Is that the case for for Gilt.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: Only for certain Uh? So you can find parking across
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: the street or at different lots, so you shouldn't have
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: a problem.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 12: Okay, yeah, okay, all right.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: Is that it, Chris?
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 12: Yeah, And I just want to say listening to you
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 12: for years and this is awesome.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Drive, drive safe, leave early, or come the night
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: before and stayed out nearby hotel. Okay, all right, good,
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: all right, Chris, have a good.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 4: Thanks, Chris, have a good time, Chris.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: The coaching stuff I do find interesting, like all the
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: different ramifications. I just think that they would be best
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: for all concerned to just forget about all. I know
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: it's easy for me. It's easy because it's not my money.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: But I think it would just you know, step aside
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: and say, right, thank you, thank you. What we did
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: was unprecedented. Let's just agree to move on and you know, you.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: Do what you want to do and good luck. But
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: you get what I'm saying, though, I do. I do
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: get what you every time, every time a team, every time, no,
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: every time it's fires a coach, there's usually time left
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: on their contract that they're paying them. The fact that
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: we don't hear a lot more stuff like this tells
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: me that it just doesn't happen.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 14: You know.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 4: What doesn't happen.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: And usually for most.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: Guys that get fired or like either damaged commodities or
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: unwanted altogether, like BILLI the greatest coach has ever coached,
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: And if they decide to move on, he'll be different
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: than you know that there's an idea that people will
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: want him. Funny because who's who's knocking down Josh mcdaniels's door.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: Well, like Pete Carroll went to USC right away, right
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: or did he take a.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 4: Year after the Patriots?
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 14: No?
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: I don't think he went right to you. I think
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: he was the defensive coordinator in San Francisco.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: That's where he was.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I forget all right, do
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: you have that? It was a way I could look
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: at him.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: Well, how many Like the question is how many head
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: coaches got fired and immediately took another head coaching job.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: Oh, this is probably a fair amount of Bo's. So
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: he took a year off. I believe Andy Reid did
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: that from Philadelphia to Kansas City?
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: So, like, what what happened there? What transpired there?
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 4: You know, the Eagles fired him?
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: No, I know, but Eagles fired him. But did you
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: know the Eagles still have to keep paying him while
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: he was at Kansas City? How did that?
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 4: But it's funny because like Bill is like simultaneously, you know,
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 4: a lot of people in not us necessarily, but a
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 4: lot of people are running him out of town here.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 4: And then he's also like number one on everybody's like
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 4: coaching candidates lists.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: You know, Like I'm consistent, I'm not sure that it's
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: a huge market for him, and I'm i am kind
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: of sort of ready for the end here, But I
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: wonder how much of that is Bill, Like, I don't
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: think we talk about that, you know, and I don't know,
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: but I think that there's all Do you think Bill
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: really really wants to be back here after going through
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: all of this?
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 4: Maybe he doesn't.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: He maybe he wants out.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 4: To I think there's a lot of the national media
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 4: not to pick on them, that aren't here every single day,
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 4: that haven't seen it a road the way that we have,
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 4: that aren't aware of the missteps by by Bill to
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 4: get to this point with the Patriots. I think a
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 4: lot of people look from the outside end and just
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 4: say it was one bad year, you know, and now
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 4: they're running the guy out of town, and they didn't
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 4: they haven't watched it kind of fall apart like we
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 4: all have. So his stock in terms of that, I
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 4: don't think is it taking that big of a hit
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 4: because I think people are just looking at it like, well,
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 4: Mac Jones just stinks and they have no quarterback and
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 4: he had one bad season.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: I'm really upset with Deuce.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 4: Uh yeah, me too.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: I mean he knows that you don't get right away.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: There's a risk that they run out.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 4: There's a good show, you know, he's coming back with no.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: They were giving it out at twelve thirty and here
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: it is one thirty and he hasn't gone.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: You know what's coming back with cold? Well, it's one.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 4: It's it can't possibly not be cold, right, like thinking, yeah,
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 4: that's that's what happens.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: I put him in charge of launch on one day.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: That's an error.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: So I will say, like just to to take the
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: national thing a step further, like you asked earlier when
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: Evan came back from practice, you know, any national guys
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: around and like, no, I'm not surprised because according to
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: the national people, there's nothing to see here, Like it's
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: ridiculous that you're even talking about this not I mean,
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: how many times have we gotten finger wagged by someone
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: in the national media because we're talking about the possibility
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: that built might not I mean, even in all these
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: ev Ian Rappaport reports, he's saying, like, you know, somehow,
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: like there's always some kind of language, you know. Incredibly,
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: despite despite all his success, like to Evan's point, people
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: just haven't been watching. And it goes back to the
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: end of Brady too, like it's remarkable that they won
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl the last time and then it's remarkable
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: that they won twelve games the following year because the
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: roster erosion started long before this.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 4: People really don't miss to that as well. That offensively,
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 4: at least Brady, Gronkowski and Edelman carried them to one
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 4: more Super Bowl and mostly Brady of course. And then
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 4: but that roster during the year, remember when they lost
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 4: those back to back games against Pittsburgh and Miami. We
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 4: thought it was over then, like not necessarily Bill fired,
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 4: but like just the dynasty in the run was maybe
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 4: over then after the Miami miracle and everything. Oh god,
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 4: what there was one left?
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: He has one?
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 4: He has two?
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: Two isn't doing it?
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 4: He's got four?
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: Wow?
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 4: Okay, okay, that was well done.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 10: That it was.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: It was kind of like you a Taylor Swift thing
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: that went right over my head.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 4: I missed that.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: All right, we're gonna take a quick break and then
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: we're gonna finish strong.
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  Speaker 1: Bill Belichick spoke with the media this morning. Let's listen
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: to what he had to say.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 3: Press of defensive stats in games and offensively. You know,
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 3: Hall and Wilson really been been targeted a lot, handled
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 3: the ball a lot. Both really really good players, and
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 3: I got a lot of the skill players too, and
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 3: the tight endss are as a so good. Yeah good
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 3: football team played really well against Washington obviously some earlier
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 3: in the year, but most recently against Washington that was
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 3: pretty impressive. Sirta Lion's having a good year. It's made
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 3: like twenty five in a row or something like that,
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 3: minus the one that was blocked. So Gibson explosive returner,
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 3: So well balanced team. That's yeah, got a lot of
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: a lot of good things going for It's a sugar
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 3: practice in media in the United States, kind of a
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 3: class Wednesday, kind of like last Wednesday. Yeah, we had
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 3: a few guys banged up here.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 16: Did you ever manage a game in such a way though,
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 16: where those guys that are banged up, I was thinking
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 16: about the off season the next year for those guys
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 16: that you yes, that's.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 3: Not play Uh yeah, I think I really understand the question.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: See where the guys are going in the game, and
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 3: based on where they are in that game, talk to them,
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 3: talk to the medical people. And that's kind of what
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 3: it is.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: And it's just given the season there's there are no
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: playoffs ahead.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 3: You should come up exact players wanna play, practice, work
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 3: all year to play. They can play. I would not
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 3: play 'em. I think that's fair to the player. I
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 3: don't know, but you see it differently.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 4: How do you feel growing up this season?
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 17: Just what is the job the offense.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 3: Then builds an experience coach and in our system in football.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 3: Just got a good, good background in a lot of
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: different areas and been helping really all positions offensively and
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: as well as you know, putting things together from a
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 3: big picture standpoint.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: Have you seen his helmet?
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: You seen that?
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 3: Roland was appy, you know, and a good.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 4: As he said, the start up up all to get
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 4: better and it's not do you get down a part
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 4: of Bill?
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 7: Sure?
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the builders goes out with the quarterbacks. I think
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 3: he prepares them well.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 9: Just following up on Bill O'Brien for a moment yesterday
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 9: he talked about the inconsistency of the offense shouldered some
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 9: of the blame for that. Wondering from your perspective for
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 9: the team this year with the performance in general, is
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 9: that more.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 2: On the coaches? Is it on the players?
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 3: A bit of both? Yeah? Right now, just really looking
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 3: to put our I guess the best game out there
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 3: against the Jets and look back this season after the season.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: Have you had any conversation with Robert Kraft this week about.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 2: Your future with the team?
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm looking forward to working getting ready for the
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 3: Jets here.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 18: You your team gotta liminated from the playoffs, but they
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 18: have played twelve since Really on defense is there are
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 18: you particularly proud and how they've ser of responded and
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 18: how they've followed your leadership the second half of the season.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 3: Here, guys, these guys are coming to work pretty hard
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 3: every week. You like, think Tyr the junior, if we
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 3: go today, do you play on aggravating him?
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 5: And so.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: Now that's zappy, he's gotten a few starts. Have you
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: seen him grown more comfortable in.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 18: The role and have you seen him now that he's
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 18: had a few opportunities?
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, Yeah, definitely. The experience is is always good
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 3: for a young player. But each week's different. So what
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 3: the Jets do and how they play the Jets is
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 3: different than last week or the week before that, a
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 3: week before that. So yeah, there's some carry over, some learning,
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 3: but there's also new new things each week.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 14: Now do you start thinking at all about whether he
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 14: could be your guy next year or or when you
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 14: start evaluating now who might be good quarterback.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 3: Who Yeah, just a weak team and right now we're
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 3: getting ready for the Jets. Brown the backness today. Uh yeah,
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 3: I don't think he's on the injury report, which.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: I know you're not big in the individual's stats, but
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: Mario Douglas has the most catches and receiving yards for
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: a wide out in your tenure. How can you speak
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: to his growth throughout the season and what you've seen
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: from him.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll sound a good job of you know, observering
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 3: different roles offensively, different positions, different roles, different type plays. Uh,
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 3: also some of the return game. But he's a smart kid,
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 3: works hard, pretty instinctive player. So we've been able to
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 3: uh do some things with him in a variety of
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 3: things with them.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 4: Have you seen teams try to defend him differently over
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 4: the last month or so now that.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 3: He has to do with a worset apples? Yeah, you'd
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 3: have to talk to those teams about how they game
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 3: planned it or didn't game plan it. Yeah. I wouldn't
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 3: say I've seen any anything that specifically targets him, but
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 3: maybe maybe within a call they didn't. I don't know
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 3: if they have.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 16: Some Billy drop up the Jets past you've got a
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 16: lot of young line that you have to play dot
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 16: sas so bop the modes and require the too preen
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 16: in seven season and you can get Andrews out collective
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 16: BA collectively individually. Uh how has that group of players.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: For the Beasts?
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 13: Uh?
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 3: An adaptism under fire? There'll be more this week. So
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 3: these guys are really good. They play a lot of
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 3: different spots, so they you know, always matched up against
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 3: the same guy a block of different players. They are
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 3: good or they rusted passer as well as any team
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 3: we've played. So with multiple guys, you've got a lot
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 3: of guys to stop. So those guys learn every week
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 3: and the young players to get experience. That experience teach
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 3: some things and hopefully pay off in the long run.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: Uh Juju Smith Schuster went on to Hiro last week.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 18: Obviously, I don't think his production has been what anyone
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 18: would expect or thought it would be.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 4: Just what what do you think happened with him this season?
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 4: How would you describe this season?
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well he won't play in this game, so just
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 3: worry about this game.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 4: Well, I think I've.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: Had three players start team hile gotcham there's just thought gunshop.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 11: What do you fans much.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 3: I think that has a specially soft rock.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 3: Uh, DJ's had a good year, really professional player pair
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 3: as well. Every week. That's a really good job understanding
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 3: blocking schemes. So he was playing against how different teams
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 3: want to run the ball. Even though it might be
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 3: the sort of the same blocks, there's sometimes different subtleties
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 3: in that, and and who the backs are, how they
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 3: like to run. So he's really good with the other
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 3: guys that he plays with in terms of, you know,
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 3: helping them understand how the runs are gonna get fit
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 3: and so forth. So they's then a good job, had
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 3: a good year.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 4: What if you see him like when you just the
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 4: chance of fresh I mean, hasn't.
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: Expressed that you have any talks.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not gonna get in any contract discussions.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 11: Witness you see just a trick that you still.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 3: Yeh start of the air guard then Uh we talked
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 3: after the Las Vegas game and uh started playing a
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 3: tackle and he's really embraced that. And think he's had
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 3: a pretty good year out there. You know, it's not
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 3: totally new for him. He's been out there before, but
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: you've seen a lot of good players and they have
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 3: done a pretty solid job and we'll see more this week.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 3: So on the week, multiple guys out there that he'll
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 3: face that you know are all good Franklin Myers, McDonald, Johnson,
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 3: ugh and so we've got a lot of good rushers.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 18: We're trying this season been offensive tackle with four guys
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 18: on the gser moving.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: Pieces all the.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not the way we thought it would happen
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 3: when we acquired some of the guys at the beginning
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 3: of the year and then more. But that is what
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 3: it is.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 11: The fact that this is.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: At the final week of the season.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 4: What what's your message been to the the team?
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 18: Just to keep him locked in with no playoff implications
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 18: going into this week.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: Same as as every Really, so he's about the Jets.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 3: Last week's about Buffalo. Week before that was about Denver.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 3: Uh any love lost for the Jets. I had a
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 3: lot of respect for what coach the Law's done put
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 3: together pred team down there.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 17: Really, When someone accidentally threw away the school play costumes,
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 17: oh no, replacements were shipped with FedEx and with picture
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 17: proof of delivery, everyone could focus on the perfect opening
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 17: night FedEx where now it's next for residential delivery.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 4: Only And now great moments in.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 3: History.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: So in sinc is playing at the old Stadium and like,
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: my wife is going to taking my nieces and stuff.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: The webmaster, who Rick rick Aames, He took this piece
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: the cardboard and somehow like I bought this wire and
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: it was like honk if you love in sync, but.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: He kept it. He rigged it up in such a
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: way that Paul wouldn't see it when he got in
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: his car. But once he started driving it down.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: So and everyone's and I'm meeting bet at like Papa
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: Gino's and like everybody's beeping and I'm like what.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm driving like ten miles.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: Hey, ass man, exactly, you got that right. I looked
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: at it. I was like, oh, that's that's just too perfect. Everybody,
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: every single person in the building knew about it, and
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: they all like were what And they couldn't wait for
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: me to get back because I was going down to
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: meet Bath and my nieces and I was coming back
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: and they were like, ida.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 4: Go, that's another great moment from.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: All right back here in Patriots Unfiltered A five five
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  Speaker 2: past five hundred is the ace ticket hotline. Deuce did
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 2: pull through.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 4: Good job, Deuce, he got the last four.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: Chick fil A sandwiches spicy w were they called?
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah spicy? The Lucker room opened.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: Ryan A Situate writes in a few days late at
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: this point, but after the Lions Cowboys games, I tuned
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 2: into a Lions postgame show from their official YouTube, remember
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: whoever it was on. The show was bashing the officials
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 2: and sing that the rest took away their chance to
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: win the game, regardless of if he was right and
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: the officials blew the call. I wanted to give you
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 2: guys credit for the job you do and your professionalism,
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 2: other than Paul's vehement hatred toward the officials no matter
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 2: what the team is. I have never really accurate. I
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 2: have never really heard you guys make the refs out
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: to be the reason for Patriots loss.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 4: Oh so, I don't know if you guys saw, but
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 4: the league sent out a video yesterday to all teams
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 4: about what happened, and they they put it on the Lions.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 4: They were like, this is your fault. That yeah, so
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 4: apparently they they slowed it down and frame by frame
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 4: and showed Dan Skipper like doing something to his chest
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 4: that would like signify that he was reporting as eligible,
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 4: and basically they said they try to pull a fast
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 4: one on everybody, including the officials, and they that's why
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 4: this was confusing.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that part of it.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 4: I just think does the bruda from me didn't agree
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 4: with that.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: That was embarrassing.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 4: It's course directed.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: I heard Ben and Tucson writes in I don't believe
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen is long for this league. He clearly thinks
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 2: he's indestructible and eventually it's going to catch up to him.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 2: That final drive of the game, he gets the first down,
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 2: just slide and the game is over. Instead, he just
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: he gets drilled into the ground and comes up lame.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 2: He looks to pitch the ball for no reason and
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 2: takes a shot to the head and loses the ball. Paul,
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: I completely disagree. I would not want him on this team. Whoever,
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 2: I love your references.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 4: For that last part is at he like in like
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 4: year seven, like how like he's not long for this league.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: He's already been in the league for to get a decade.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: How much more do you want him to be in
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: the league? Fact, Chat, it was third and three, you
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: got four yards? Yeah, you slide there and you might
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: not get the first down. And I'm not lying.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 4: You get credit when you start the slide start.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: That's where the referee spots the ball.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 4: I say, if they spot it correctly, right, yes?
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: And how many times do you look and you say, oh,
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: he easily got the first down and then nope, the
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: slide started here before he got it. He got the
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: first down by your yard, Like, if you want to
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: end the game, that's what you need to do. Yeah, Like,
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: that's one of the times that I would actually say,
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: that's when I need you to run.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 4: That's when I need you to be superman. You get
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 4: a first down, the game's over, you know what I mean.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just feel like it's the one with the
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: wild reach of the ball on a random third down
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: early in the fourth quarter.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 4: And I get it, like from a fan perspective, but
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 4: I just feel like Patriots fans, I'm sorry to like
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 4: put you all together, but I feel like a lot
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 4: of Patriots fans just want him to fail because he's
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 4: on the bills and it's in the division that kind
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 4: of stuff. So everybody always, oh, he's gonna get hurt. Eventually,
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 4: he's gonna get hurt eventually. He has yet to get
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 4: hurt or in year seven and he's still running around
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 4: and he's still lowering his shoulder into people. And yeah,
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 4: maybe he won't play for twenty years like Brady did,
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 4: but I'm sure the Bills will take a decade of
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 4: Josh Allen just fine.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah, who you guys rooting for him and the tu
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 6: him versus the Dolphins this weekend, it's a big matchup.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: I'm rooting for Buffalo because that would be good for
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: both of them, and I like, I kind of want
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: someone new, like I don't I'm going to root against
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: Kansas City more than likely, even though I respect the
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: hell out of him.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: If you want someone new, wouldn't you root from Miami?
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah? Well no, but I mean that will give me
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 4: two chances for someone new, Buffalo and Miami.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: Because they but what do they both get in if
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: if if Buffalo will, yeah they I mean, Buffalo would
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: be the division champ, but Miami would still be eleven
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: and six, and you know they both be eleven and six,
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: and I'd like that. Whereas if Buffalo loses, then they
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: have to they need help. They need like Jacksonville to
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: lose or Pittsburgh to lose.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 4: Just to get in the fact that Pittsburgh is even
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 4: in this conversations.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 2: Well, well, we'll get to our picks tomorrow. Jay in
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 2: Minnesota writes in this weekend has me nervous with all
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 2: the uncertainty with Bill and the team. I also can't
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: wait till the draft. I need to see what we
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 2: do this year in the off season. Question, knowing what
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 2: you know about Bill, what do you think the odds
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 2: are that Bill is willing to mutually part ways? And
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 2: if he isn't, how much do you truly think he's worth,
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 2: especially him being behind the times on the offensive side
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 2: of the ball. What would you be willing to take
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 2: for him? Or what do you think his trade value is?
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 2: Or do you think the Craft is willing to pay
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 2: him out for all he's done for the organization. I
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: wasn't prepared. I was prepared to move on from Bill,
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 2: but listening the past couple of weeks, I wouldn't be
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 2: surprised if Kraft runs it back the trade thing we
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 2: already talked about.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: I'm not expecting any trade compensation.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 4: I do wonder if there is a Brady situation. I
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 4: know it's not completely insane, where instead of trying to
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 4: go through this whole negotiation with the trade they do.
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 4: Just say you've earned your freedom, Like if you don't
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 4: want to be here, then.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: I would applaud that, just like I applauded it with Brady.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: And I know a lot of people don't see it
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: that way, but I think that's the right thing to
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: do me too.
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: I never held it against the Crafts that Tom was,
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: you know, not franchised like he was just any other quarterback.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 2: You know, right, no need.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 4: He deserved that absolutely, and Bill does too.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: Let's see longino O Gino from New Jersey. I just
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: want to say that, even though it'll suck if when
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 2: Bill Belichick leaves, if he comes back this year, I'm
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: having trouble believing he's going to coach up the next
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 2: quarterback with his mindset. What's to stop him from continuing
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 2: to build this team the way he did these past
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 2: four years.
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: Robert Craft, that's a concern, that's yeah, And it's not
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: necessarily personnel wise, it's it's coaching wise. That's my concern.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: Like you can give someone else the keys to the shop,
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: but if he's coaching in the way that they coach.
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: And I think I told the story, Yes, It really
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: made me laugh. The first question of the press conference
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: on Monday was about the kickoff return, and he went
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: into great detail with you know, the Pharaoh Brown and
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: this guy kickout blocks and mac Wilson picked that guy.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: Slater got this guy. Great job by Rager. He broke
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: down with like six different people did. Then the second
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: question was Christian Barmore has been playing great? Was a
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: little quieter in this game. Did you notice any extra
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: attention that Buffalo may have been given. I'd have to
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: watch the film Like that to me symbolized exactly why
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 1: I want to move on. Well, he could give he
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: could give you a chapter and verse on a special
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: team's play.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: He knows though he knows everything, he just doesn't want
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 2: to talk about it.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: It was, you know, is that Bill would have come
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: back and they were to draft a quarterback. Missed my point,
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: but that's okay.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 6: There's a good chance that Bill's not staying through that
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 6: quarterback's career here, right Like I mean, I mean he
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 6: could he could very well retire early. And I mean
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 6: even if he look, you're here as long as you want.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: Like, if the quarterback works out, there's no way he's
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: going to be just for his career.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 2: Right Jason and Vermont. It is fascinating that with all
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 2: the people on this planet, the NFL can't find thirty
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 2: two qualified candidates to play quarterback. The drop off from
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 2: the best to the worst is significant. Week after weeks,
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 2: some pretty poor quarterback performances are seen in the NFL.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 2: I wanted to know if you could talk about why
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 2: there is no better way to rate the quarterback talent
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 2: coming out of college. Why does it have to be
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 2: such a crapshoot. There are guys drafted in the first
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 2: round that end up being terrible and guys drafted in
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 2: the later rounds that end up being great. Do you
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 2: know how much psychological testing is involved?
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 4: I mean, this question gets to the heart of the matter.
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 6: Like I think this is what's great about football is
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 6: and it's so hard, Like there's no way that you
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 6: could accurately predict every single guy.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: And that's what makes it so much fun that you
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: know a guy like Brady or Purty, or you know
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: a top overall pick like Man, Like it runs the gamut.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 6: That's what I love about the game. And you never
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 6: you can't just put it into a formula and be
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 6: like all right, these are the guys we have to
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 6: select because this is what the formula says, and this
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 6: is you.
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: Know, going to be accurate. That's no fun.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 4: I just think a lot of it is is so
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 4: much nature versus nurture. Like so Rock Party works out,
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 4: you all know how I feel about that.
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 2: Like that, like.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: Rock Party was drafted by the Arizona Cardinals, no one
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: will be talking about him as a seventh round hit.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 4: Correct.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: I totally get your point.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 4: Right, So, like that's that you draft these quarterbacks at
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 4: the top of the first round. They're getting drafted by
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 4: teams that all suck. So like if you're getting drafted
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 4: Zack Wilson gets drafted by the Jets, who stink, and
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 4: then he stinks like shot, Like that's not surprising, Like
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 4: Justin Fields goes to the Bears who stink and he stinks.
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 4: So like that, A lot of it, I think is
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 4: is not just about the physical talent or ability of
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 4: the quarterback. It's more about the situation that that quarterback
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 4: is getting dropped into. Not always, but I think a
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 4: lot of the time that ends up being the case.
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 4: And that's why a Brock Purty can succeed where Zach
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 4: Wilson can even if Zach Wilson came into the league
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 4: as a highly touted prospect. It's just all about situation.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Can I also say that, And I don't. I
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  Speaker 1: don't have all the numbers broken down, but I bet
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  Speaker 1: if you did a really in depth, researched draft analysis
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  Speaker 1: that you'd find just as many of the example that
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: you're talking about with the quarterback early in late like
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: just as many Michael when U sixth round pick, Cole
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: Straams first round pick, Yeah, guard, Like, I don't think
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  Speaker 1: that's I don't think that's just like reserved for quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 4: They miss.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes sometimes really good players go late in the draft,
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 1: and sometimes really bad players are picked early in the draft.
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  Speaker 1: The bottom line is, more often than not, the guys
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: that go in the first round are better players than
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: the guys that go in the seventh round. Like it's
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: just the way it is. But they're always except Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And I don't think that's just resigned just quarterbacks only.
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: There's like four quarterbacks that are any good in the
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: league that were drafted after the second after the first
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: round was over.
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  Speaker 2: Chad writes in from Atlanta, When did you all realize
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 2: that the season was over. I gave the nod after
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 2: Christian Dezals left the Cowboys game. So unfortunate that we're
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 2: at this point, but as Bill says, it is what
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 2: it is. We're onto the draft and PS still needing
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 2: an update on my shirt. No rush Chad in Atlanta,
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 2: MA get so much you guys? Do you guys have
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 2: I think we got us?
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  Speaker 6: I said, I said the Saints. I mean, I understand
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 6: like the Cowboys game, but I was willing to say
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 6: one mulligan, one mulligan, and.
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  Speaker 1: I thought they were going to start the season oh
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: and four, and then Aaron Rodgers got hurt, so there
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: were one and three. So I was like, Okay, this
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 1: is kind of what I expected. But then I didn't
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  Speaker 1: expect to get shut out by by the Saints. I mean,
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: that's that says it all to me.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah at home, Yeah that was that was And in hindsight,
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 4: then also going on the road and losing to the Raiders,
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 4: who hated their coach that right, and then also had
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 4: Brian Hoyer playing quarterback for the entire second half of
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 4: that game and they could have another good point, like
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 4: you know, that was the first sign of like, oh man,
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 4: we're not even gonna beat the backups, correct, because they
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 4: could have. You could have talked yourself into Washington, Vegas
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 4: command colts in Germany like in stacking some wins together
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 4: to get back into a five hundred territory by the
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 4: second half of the season. Uh, the path was was
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 4: there and theory. But then once they lost to the
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 4: Raiders and they couldn't even beat a Raiders, the path Yeah.
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