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Ep 12: He Hypnotized Hollywood. What He Says About How You Can Change! | Dr. Steve G. Jones · Making Miracles Happen Masterclass

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  SPEAKER_00: Let's make miracles happen.
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  SPEAKER_01: You are new to making miracles happen masterclass.
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  SPEAKER_01: You have never been on my show before, whether it's the live show or the recorded show.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'm going to ask you a question that will help you introduce yourself to my audience.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so what I'd like to know, is there a crisis that started that made you get into this work?
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, kind of.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I was uh, let's see, I was 12 years old or so, and uh my mom died when I was six.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_02: And my uh after that, I started, uh, for lack of a better clinical term, I started wetting my bed at night.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_02: And my parents, my dad and my stepmom took me to a hypnotherapist.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I didn't want to go.
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  SPEAKER_02: I told my friend Mike, I said, I I can't come out to play tomorrow because I've got to go to this stupid hypnosis thing my parents are making me go to.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I didn't tell them why, of course.
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  SPEAKER_02: But uh, and so I went and uh it was really strange because I was it was Dr.
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  SPEAKER_02: North, that was her name, and this was must have been the 19 late 1970s, early 1980s.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh, I was born in 67, so whatever age, I was around 12-ish, which would have been right around 79 or 80.
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  SPEAKER_02: And uh, she had me sit in what looked like a dental chair and look at like a swirling, um, like a record with a hypno wheel, as we call it, going around and round.
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  SPEAKER_02: And she was German, and she talked to me from a microphone with headphones, said, You are going deep butter and deeper.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it just the whole thing just seemed bizarre to me as a 12-year-old kid, uh, but it worked, and I was amazed.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so years later, um, I was in military school and I got a book about hypnosis by Leslie Lacron called The Complete Guide to Hypnosis, and started reading about this myself.
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  SPEAKER_02: Started hypnotizing my roommates in military school because I was sent there um to you know, athletes to run faster and the smart kids to study better.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so years later, it's still the same thing I was doing in military school based on the experience I had when I was 12 or 13, except now the smart kids are NASA and the athletes are the Dodgers.
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  SPEAKER_01: Wow, that's a really interesting story.
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  SPEAKER_01: So did it take only one session for you to stop, went into bed?
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_01: That was it?
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  SPEAKER_01: It did.
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  SPEAKER_02: It did.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, knowing what I know now, I know that it can take more than one, it can take a few, and you know, getting at the baseline of of what's going on.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I, you know, Harvard and Stanford created a hypnotic scale of susceptibility, as they call.
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  SPEAKER_02: I I rebranded it in a quiz form um called suggestibility.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_02: I like that term better.
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  SPEAKER_02: But at any rate, everyone's rateable on a scale of one to ten, how suggestible they are.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I'm really high on that scale.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I I'm a good subject.
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  SPEAKER_02: And luckily, good subjects make good uh practitioners also, because we know you know we we get more into it since we're so hypnotizable, we end up looking into all that.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, yeah, that worked out for me with one session.
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  SPEAKER_01: How do you know if you're suggestible?
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, there you can take the quiz.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I do have it on my website, stevegjones.com.
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  SPEAKER_02: You can take the quiz there and you can get a I I took just took the Harvard and Stanford research because I've also studied at the graduate level at Harvard, and I just condensed it into a quiz.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_02: That's a lot easier.
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  SPEAKER_02: So you you answer questions.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, and mostly they're questions about uh your your cognizant your ability to see things that aren't there or not see things that are there.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it's the ability to use the more uh fantasy part of your brain.
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  SPEAKER_02: And when you have that ability, then you that strongly correlates to higher suggestibility.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so explain this to me.
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  SPEAKER_01: If somebody isn't easily suggestible, will hypnosis still work for them?
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_02: It will.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I look at it like electrical conductivity.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, everything on Earth will conduct electricity, uh, everything from from wood all the way up to to metal, you know, from the the least conductive thing to the most conduct to one of the most conductive things.
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  SPEAKER_02: So wood doesn't conduct electricity very well, but you know, in the case of lightning, it'll it'll it'll work, it'll go right through the tree and it'll it'll conduct it.
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  SPEAKER_02: So you just have to hit it with more.
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  SPEAKER_02: So someone who's not very suggestible would just need more rounds.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's why everyone I work with or my audios that I sell on my website, I always say, listen for 21 nights.
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  SPEAKER_02: There's nothing magical about 21, but it's a good catch-all because anyone who's low on the suggestibility scale, if they're being bombarded with it for 21 nights in a row listening to that same thing, it's going to get in there.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is some juicy stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: I want to go take the quiz now.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I suggest anybody listening to this, you can take the quiz while you're listening because quizzes are fun.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_01: We love quizzes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I'm really interested in did you do any other work beyond this?
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  SPEAKER_01: Or is this what you went straight to after military school?
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, I went straight to it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh, I've done a few other uh jobs uh and things, but I what I did after military school is I went right into college and I started studying psychology.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I got my degree in psychology at the University of Florida, and then later, then I had my career in hypnosis.
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  SPEAKER_02: I had it along the way also, but initially I was working with people mainly free, you know, helping helping friends and so forth.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then I finally got it uh around the year 2000, maybe a little bit before that, I really started honing it in as a business.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so in the year 2002, I got my office in Beverly Hills, and that's when I was in 90210, the Roxbury Medical Center, Roxbury Medical Building, rather.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I started seeing I had an add in the yellow pages, and a lot of actors and producers and directors came to me.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so that's when I started developing a little bit of quote unquote stardom.
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  SPEAKER_02: But uh initially I was more academically oriented.
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  SPEAKER_02: Then my my master's degree is in education, uh, adult education, and my specialist and doctorate are also in adult education because I was more leaning toward mainstream education, doesn't have a lot to offer in terms of hypnosis, unfortunately.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so if you go through and get a doctorate in psychology, there's not a whole lot of hypnosis in there.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, it's more about how to integrate into the system and evaluate people to get them on some kind of you know insurance billing.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_02: But I did find that um it helped to go the education route because I now educate people about hypnosis and I run the American Alliance of Hypnotists, which is now a global organization for credentialing hypnotherapists.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that's something that we don't have a standardization of.
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  SPEAKER_02: There's no, you know, overarching laws about that.
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  SPEAKER_02: So it's we're kind of left to our own devices.
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  SPEAKER_02: So my doctorate in education kind of helps me guide that.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_01: And I was actually going to ask you about how your education helps you with hypnosis.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm wondering, studying psychology, did that help you deepen your ability to like hypnotize and help people, or no?
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_02: I'd say no overall.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, any any study of hypnosis is going to help you understand people, but hypnosis is a very technical procedural thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, you relax them using the right relaxing hypnotic voice, you take them deeper, you program them, then you bring them out.
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  SPEAKER_02: The psychology knowledge that I have from mostly from the University of Florida, my bachelor's degree there, and some graduate study at the University of Florida in their counseling department.
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  SPEAKER_02: All of that played into me helping people with hypnosis by just helping me understand people's challenges that they face, because that's the majority of it.
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  SPEAKER_02: When someone comes to your office, you're listening to them.
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  SPEAKER_02: What's going on?
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  SPEAKER_02: How can I help you?
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  SPEAKER_02: What are you working on?
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  SPEAKER_02: And so just doing a technical approach with hypnosis isn't going to be very effective unless you understand the, you know, the full spectrum of their lives and what's going on and why they haven't stopped smoking or become more motivated or become more confident.
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  SPEAKER_02: So just kind of driving at it with hypnosis is going to be less effective without understanding the the holistic view of the person.
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  SPEAKER_02: So it did help in that respect, but in the technical respect of hypnosis, it helped uh maybe 0.0001%.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, that gives us a greater understanding.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you basically kind of knew how to do this since you were six years old because you had the experience of it, and that gave you the majority of what you needed to move forward versus learning psychology.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_01: And okay, that's pretty awesome.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_01: I I'm really curious with the people that you helped, what's like one of the most extraordinary cases that you worked with?
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, it would ask me a lady who, when I had my office in Beverly Hills, uh, she came to me because you said she had been abducted by aliens and impregnated seven times by aliens.
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  SPEAKER_02: And she had three actual children who, you know, did exist.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_02: We'd all agree those are her kids.
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  SPEAKER_02: But the uh aliens, I asked her where they were, the alien babies, and I don't remember her answer, but it wasn't anything that made any sense to, you know, to uh logical thinking people.
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  SPEAKER_02: So there's something going on with her um mentally that was causing her to think these things.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so that was the most interesting case.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh, it turns out as I worked with her, it would there was there's a lot going on.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that's the kind of situation where you need a psychologist or a psychiatrist to work alongside you because there's something outside of that.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think an issue we run into with hypnotherapists is they think that they can handle everything and work with everything.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I always say if someone's clearly psychotic, for lack of a better term, then you want to make sure you're working with a licensed healthcare professional also, because there could be something they're holding back or dealing with through their fantasies that if they find out maybe the childhood thing that that caused that or something along those lines, it could unlock it and start to unravel their psyche.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_02: So with her, uh, it turned out to be uh uh something related to uh anxiety about her her children and how they would turn out.
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  SPEAKER_02: But having someone present saying that they had been abducted and impregnated by aliens seven times is, in my opinion, the most uh striking thing that I've ever had to uh deal with.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_01: And you were able to help her.
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  SPEAKER_02: I was.
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  SPEAKER_02: And again, it's not by uh you never want to negate what they say.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's just like religion.
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  SPEAKER_02: Whatever religion they present with, you don't say, well, actually, the that's illogical or anything like that.
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  SPEAKER_02: You just work within that.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's the that's the framework through which that's the lens through which they see the world.
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  SPEAKER_02: So you work within that.
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  SPEAKER_02: So working within that, I was able to dig down, and with the help of a psychologist on the side, who she was also being referred to, I was able to dig down to the fact that this was all based on anxiety she had about her children, about the uh who the who the parents of her children really were, uh, the fact that she felt that she wasn't actually uh ready to have children when she had them, and and things along those lines.
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  SPEAKER_02: So we were able to make a tremendous amount of headway, not with convincing her that she wasn't abducted by aliens and impregnated by them and so forth, but by accepting that and realizing we're not going to work on quote unquote fixing that, and then from there figuring out what's actually going on and addressing that anxiety.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_01: Ooh, that's really interesting.
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  SPEAKER_01: So by the end, she still felt like she was abducted by aliens, though, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: We didn't revisit that.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_02: My understanding is she definitely still felt that she had been abducted by aliens and had some alien kids somewhere.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_02: Really interesting.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um, uh we have a lot of people that are going to be listening to this who are very interested in the celebrity aspect.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_01: I myself was am a celebrity healer and people will be like, I just love the fact that you work with celebrities.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_01: So let's just tap into that angle for a moment.
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  SPEAKER_01: Is there is there any case with celebrities?
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  SPEAKER_01: Not that you we want you to mention names or anything, but any cases with celebrities where you're like, okay, that stands out as something very specific to a celebrity that I've helped with.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh well, I helped Tom Makowitz, the writer of Superman the movie, stop smoking after 45 years.
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  SPEAKER_02: So that that stands out if that's the kind of thing you mean.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yes.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_02: That's yes, that's pretty good.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_01: What do celebrities normally c normally uh come to you for?
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_02: Well, the celebrities came to me initially because I had my office in Beverly Hills and that's where they lived, a lot of them, and so, or around there.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so when they looked in the yellow pages in the early 2000s, which we used to use back then in the ancient times, they found me and uh because I had a big quarter page ad.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_02: It was like$35 a month for the quarter page ad.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_02: So I was, you know, dominating the hypnosis space in uh in the Beverly Hills uh phone book, Los Angeles phone book in the Beverly Hills section.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_02: And so they they'd come to me with whatever, but normally the celebrities were writers, producers, and actors.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh, the actors came to me wanting to, because actors at any time are unemployed.
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  SPEAKER_02: So they have to get the next gig, they have to get the next job.
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  SPEAKER_02: They go from big money to unemployment to big money.
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  SPEAKER_02: The super celebrities, the A-list celebrities, um, I don't recall working with any of them because their next job's pretty much guaranteed because of their super celebrity status.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_02: But those who are not A-list, those or who are who are B and C list at any time, uh, you know, they don't know when their next job's coming and they and they feel really bad about it.
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  SPEAKER_02: So they need to get their mojo back.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I need to help them with that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Writers wanted more uh, you know, juice for writing, which is interesting because I think that's still a job for hypnotherapists.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_02: Because I had an Uber driver the other day who's a writer in LA, uh, who uh said that um their contract for the writers guild ensures that the companies won't use AI, they still have to use writers.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_02: So that's good news that AI has not displaced writers in Hollywood, supposedly, even though the writers might be using it, but uh they still have to go through the writers.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_02: So you have different people coming for different things depending on you know how they became a celebrity.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_01: So when you work with celebrities who are kind of out of work, which is the majority of actors in Hollywood, would be uh listed under that.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_01: How are you helping them?
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_01: Are you helping them get work or are you just helping them with how they feel about not having work?
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_01: Because that would be like a lot of anxiety if I if I was uh employed and then unemployed and then employed and unemployed.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's the latter.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_02: I'm helping them with the anxiety.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_02: So the way the the pattern works is they get a job, they they get money, they can pay their bills, they're happy, and then that job ends, that movie ends, and they're they're unemployed.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_02: And so while they're unemployed, they're constantly going to auditions.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_02: They don't just sit around, they go to auditions.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes they stop going to auditions, and then my job becomes to get them to go to auditions again.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_02: But a lot of times they're going to auditions with low mojo, low self-esteem.
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  SPEAKER_02: They don't feel good about themselves.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm using a lot of techniques like NLP, for example.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, one thing I like to use with actors is because when they're when they're auditioning, they're given their sides, their, their script that they have to read for the audition, and they have to convince the casting agent that they would be good for the part.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_02: And so they have to feel confident enough to dial into that part of themselves that could be that part.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_02: And so I give them things that they can use on camera, because it's all being filmed, even the audition that won't be noticed.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_02: So I have them do things like, you know, touch their forehead and say, I, you know, and think the word confident.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_02: Or I had one guy, one actor, what was his word?
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_02: It was um uh oh yeah.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_02: He touched his forehead and think the word the phrase, oh yeah.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_02: And so, and so I I uh install that anchor with NLP, you know, had them think of a time in their lives when they're very confident and then anchor it, now touch your forehead and think or say the words, oh yeah, or whatever it is for them, and now release that.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_02: So anytime you need to fire that off, you just touch your forehead again and think or say, oh yeah, or whatever the word is.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes they would just they would touch their shoulder.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_02: It's something they can do as a natural part of the audition that a human would do without it looking like them firing off some kind of trigger.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's a good one.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_01: You know, um, have you ever had an audition for anything?
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_02: I have.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_02: When I first got to Los An uh Los Angeles, I went to a few auditions.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_02: I actually have uh an IMDB with uh a few of the uh the things I'd done.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_02: Nothing, nothing stellar.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but then later on, I was on as not not as part of a any kind of acting career, but I was on the millionaire matchmaker and Bravo's below deck as a millionaire hypnotherapist.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um, those I didn't, yeah.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_02: I guess I did have to audition for that too.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_02: I had to audition for Millionaire Matchmaker because they flew me out to LA and they sat me in a room and asked me a bunch of questions.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so I had to audition for that too.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_02: That was less of a well, I guess it is.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_02: Do you are you the part?
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I guess it pretty much was an audition.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_02: So same concept.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, when I was out there and and they wanted me for TV shows, we had to do like screen tests, which was our audition, making sure that you know everybody works well together.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_01: Did you have any kind of anxiety or did you use this these tools for yourself during those times?
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_02: Uh both.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_02: I I had anxiety and I used the tools for myself.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_02: So for for me, I was just, you know, I wasn't like uh uh an actor in LA.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_02: I was just that, I just happened to be in LA and I thought, well, I could do some acting and that would be a really cool thing.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_02: So um, and I had my hypnosis and NLP knowledge, so I just applied it to that, and it uh it worked out.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_02: I, you know, before that, I I was a preacher for the Church of Christ from 1990 to 1995.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_02: And before that, in my academic training, like even as early as fifth grade, um, I was sent to a private school.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_02: So we always had a speech contest where we had to prepare a speech and read it.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_02: So I've been kind of well groomed and well trained for public speaking stuff uh all of my life.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_02: So it it's not really a thing for me, but um, nonetheless, I did use the the skills just to get that little extra edge and you know, not be freaked out by it.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_01: And it worked.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I mean, I didn't become an A-list actor, but I think that's because that wasn't my main focus.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I love that.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_01: All right, so this is so interesting, but I have to ask you now, because I think people would be very interested in this.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_01: So you had an office in Beverly Hills, so you saw people in person, but you're also talking about recordings.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_01: So, how do you help people like what's the best way for people to get help?
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_01: Is it in person?
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_01: Is it recordings?
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_01: Is it the same?
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_01: Can you tell us a little bit about that?
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, yeah, it depends.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, on my website, stevegjones.com, I do have a lot of recordings available.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_02: Those are canned generic sessions, and I have some available for free, but they are me taking what I think people want and and what I know they they want to need, you know, from motivation, creativity, whatever they're working on, and doing the best I can to press all those buttons in a session.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_02: But I'm not using their name, I'm not tailoring it to their specific needs or anything.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_02: It's just a canned session.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_02: And that's also got the lowest price, which is, you know, it all works out.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_02: That's probably the least effective, but it's the lowest price.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_02: And a lot of people like it because they don't want to tell someone all their details.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_02: You know, like me with the bed wedding, I wouldn't want to have to go in and explain that to someone.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_02: Now I talk about it freely because I understand in more of a therapeutic realm.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_02: But, you know, as an average consumer, I wouldn't want to have to talk about that and talk about my feelings and and so forth.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_02: People a lot of times don't like that.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, go into a room with someone you don't know with your eyes closed and you're in hypnosis, you know, that that scares a lot of people, uh, especially women going to see male hypnotherapists.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_02: So that's available for that crowd.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_02: The next level up is a customized hypnosis session.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_02: It's still just a recorded session, but it's got their details in it.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_02: And the next step up is an in-person session, um, which a lot of people don't want.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_02: For me personally, I charge a lot for those because I have to, you know, interact with the person and schedule something to be there with them.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but even for people who could have all of those things the same price, a lot of them would just choose the canned session because they don't want to talk about themselves and they sure don't want to show up somewhere and close their eyes in a dark room with someone they don't know.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_02: So every different stroke for different folks.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_01: I get that a hundred percent.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_01: So when people get the generic recordings, have they told you anything that that works?
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like that you have testimonials or you know, these actually really work well.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_01: I want more.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_01: What are you experiencing with the the general ones?
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, over the past uh that I've been online over the past 26 years or so, I've collected testimonials and I did put them on my website, and we do hear a lot.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_02: Also, when I was working on my uh, which level was it?
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_02: I think it was my master's and my specialist in adult education.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_02: I managed to convince the um behavioral, I forget what they call the IRB, the something review board that you have to propose your thesis through and they have to approve it that it won't hurt people.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_02: So I was able to convince them that I should be able to give students my better grades, I think it was, hypnosis audio to listen to and see how it does for them.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_02: So I was able to test that and it tested really well versus the placebo that we also did.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_02: You know, some people got just a generic hypnosis recording.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_02: So I I've actually firsthand seen some results and presented results academically that uh that showed that it does work.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I've also had a lot of just plain old testimonials.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_02: Testimonials aren't the best in terms of uh, you know, looking for proof, but they do show that it helps some folks.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_02: So we've gotten a lot of those.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_02: You know, with smoking, it's either they stop or they don't.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_02: And we have a very high and the high 90s uh success rate of the people we've polled who use the stop smoking generic audio.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_02: So it does work quite a bit.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_02: And we also have a refund policy, so it's 60 days.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_02: So you know, use it if it doesn't work, get your money back.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_02: No arm no doubt.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you can't lose with that at all.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody should be rushing there to start doing their audios.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_01: But you just brought up a really interesting question, which is can hypnosis hurt you?
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I mean, anything can hurt you, I think, uh in the wrong hands or wrong condition.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_02: You can you can drown in two inches of water, you know, if you're face down in it and passed out.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_02: So anyone who uses hypnosis with a bad intention can install negative things.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_02: And that's kind of what we do as hypnotherapists is undo a lot of the hypnosis that's been programmed in already uh from people's childhoods, because uh, although it wasn't an official hypnosis session when people get told things as a kid and hear things from other people and just take on ideas, that's the same concept as hypnosis.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_02: That's the same concept as programming the subconscious mind to believe certain things are true when truth is just whatever we happen to believe.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_02: So as kids, we just take all that in.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_02: We don't have any filters, we just take it all in.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_02: So um, I've seen a lot of a lot of people who have been hurt by that kind of hypnosis by the parent, parent programming and and uh peer group programming type.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um, peer groups do a lot of damage too, because they limit our our ability to to dream big.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_02: You know, we we hang around certain folks and maybe they tried something and didn't work or or what have you.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_02: And and we all have that.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_02: That's why they say the um, I haven't researched this, but it sounds right.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_02: The our our income is the average of our top five friends' income.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_02: You know, that that makes sense.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_02: We we uh birds of a feather flock together.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_02: We tend to we tend to gravitate toward people who resonate with what we think about.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_02: And so if we for programmed to think negatively or lowly about ourselves, then we'll actually snowball that, you know, we'll make that worse, not better over time.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_02: So a lot of what hypnosis does in the right hands is actually the reverse of damage that's undoing the damage.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_02: But to answer your question, um, I, you know, there's there are movies out there like The Curse of the Jade Scorpion with Woody Allen, where he's programmed to to rob somebody, you know, he gets a phone call and the person says Madagascar and he has to rob his neighbor or something like that.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, that kind of thing isn't real.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_02: But you could, under the wrong hands of a professional hypnotherapist, be programmed for negative things, although I've never heard of it.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_02: And if you get a recording of the session, you can listen back and make sure there's nothing bad in there.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_02: And I I don't see the point of someone doing that.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_02: But I mean, it it it can be done.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_02: Any tool can be used either way, a hammer can build stuff or kill someone.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_01: That's true.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_01: Where are you at where are you located now?
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_01: Because you said they had to fly you into Los Angeles, but you used to be in Beverly Hills.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm guessing you're not living in California anymore.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_02: No, I left California a long time ago.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_02: Then I moved to Savannah, Georgia, where I lived during graduate school, all the way through my doctorate.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_02: Then I moved to Las Vegas where I lived for 10 years.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_02: Um now I live in Texas, in the woodlands, Texas.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_02: Currently, at this moment, I'm in La Quinta, California, because I travel and sometimes I see clients.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, my girlfriend is Kung Fu Kendra.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_02: So she travels around, sees a lot of clients.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_02: I travel around, see and see clients.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_02: We both like to travel.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_02: So uh we're pretty much traveling full-time these these days, but my home base where I actually live is in the woodlands, Texas.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_01: So, how does somebody book a in-person appointment with you?
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_01: It sounds like you're at multiple places.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_02: I am, yeah.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_02: And a lot of a lot of times we'll just coordinate when I'm gonna be in this place and they're gonna be in that place, or I can go to them, or they can come to me.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_02: So that's how it's done.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_02: It's all done through email.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_02: Uh on the website, there's a help link, and people can can get the email address and and reach out.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_02: And it usually with something like that, since I do charge quite a bit of money for that and it requires quite a bit of planning.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_02: It's not just a click here, add to cart type thing.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_02: It's a dialogue back and forth.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_02: They want to make sure it's gonna work for them.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_02: They want to make sure the timing is right and the location is right and all of that.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_02: So it's done by back and forth email.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_01: So is the quiz the best place to start with that?
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_02: I think so.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's a great place to start with everything.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_02: Um, the the quiz at the at the top of the website is a really good place to start because it's going to put you in one of three categories.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_02: It's a very simple quiz, but it's distilled from the Harvard and Stanford research from the late 50s, early 60s.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_02: And it's going to put you in the low, medium, or high suggestibility category.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_02: So just knowing that is good because that way you're going to know just how much hypnosis you need.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_02: And to put that in the practical terms, if you're highly suggestible like me, then probably just a week of listening to it every night would be good.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_02: If you're low on that scale, uh low suggestibility, meaning you need a lot to really get through your subconscious mind, then the full 21 nights would be better for listening to hypnosis.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_01: So let's say I wanted to book an in-person with you.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_01: And of course, you know, I'm not in your area.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_01: So we're getting together to decide this.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_01: What if I find out I'm not highly suggestible?
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_01: Does that mean I need to meet with you three days in a row?
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_01: Is it once a month?
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_01: How does that work?
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I mean, once you've once we get into in-person sessions, we're, as I mentioned, we're talking about quite a bit of money.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_02: So I charge$25,000 for the first two-hour session and$15,000 for one-hour follow-ups.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_02: So a lot of times people are, people eliminate themselves right off the bat.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_02: They say, Oh, that's too much for me.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not going to do that.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_02: The reason I charge that much is because my time is much better spent in the studio where I'm making audios that I can, you know, those canned audio sessions, I and I have a new one that I want to do.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_02: That's going to make me money for the rest of my life far more, and it's going to help a lot of people.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_02: You know, if I use that two hours on a particular person, then that$25,000 is actually a fraction of what I can generate from that two hours through the rest of my life from the audio I would make or the audios I would make.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_02: So usually that's the initial conversation:$25,000.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, bye-bye.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_02: See you later, and they're gone.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_02: Once if we get past that, then the next con next conversation is usually not about suggestibility.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_02: It's usually about what they want to work on.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_02: And they're very dedicated because I've already cleared them as a well-qualified buyer.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_02: You know, they've got a they've got a fair amount of money that they're willing to invest in themselves.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_02: So they're not so much concerned about price anymore.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and they're not really thinking about or concerned about suggestibility.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_02: One of the things that really helps with suggestibility, with we can put suggestibility aside and we bring in compliance.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_02: Compliance increases when price increases.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_02: If I'm paying more money for this to stop smoking, for example, I'm much more likely to stop smoking because I want to get my money's worth.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_02: If I pay$25,000 to stop smoking and I still smoke, well, now I don't feel very smart and I don't feel like I've gotten a good deal.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm quote unquote highly invested in my change.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_02: So we've got, we've I can use that as leverage to really get them to be on board with that, because someone who really wants to stop something or change something is more likely to do that if they've got money on the line.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_02: So the suggestibility equation is strongly affected by that.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_02: And so it's sort of a placebo effect, but really more of a bringing in willpower effect, which by itself is not usually strong, but when you get money on the line, it is.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_01: I never thought I'd ask this question, but I'm actually really curious what you would say to this is does having more money to spend make it easier for you to heal because you have so much on the line at that point.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_02: Not necessarily, because having more money to spend means the money is worth less to you.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_02: So someone of average means, for them, uh$25,000 is a tremendous amount of money, potentially.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_02: For someone who's a billionaire,$25,000 is pretty much nothing because they're probably just through regular bond investments making, you know, potentially that much per day, just sitting in bonds.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_02: So uh, you know, they're making quite a bit of money.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_02: $25,000 is a drop in the bucket, which means that if I charge$25,000 to a billionaire versus let's not take a person of average means, let's just take a millionaire.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm charging$25,000 to the billionaire and$25,000 to the millionaire.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_02: The millionaire is more likely to be moved by that, to feel like I've got to get my money's worth.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_02: The billionaire is just thinking$25,000, what do I care?
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_02: You haven't increased my, you know, my my my buy-in to my change.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_02: So there are a lot of factors that go into it.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I focus on though, rather than all of the money and all of that, is if I've got someone in front of me, I'm gonna find out their, you know, what moves them, because that's another part of the equation.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_02: What moves them?
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_02: Do they want to stop smoking so they can live longer to see their grandchildren grow up?
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_02: Well, now I've got something I can use, and that's another part of the equation.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_02: That's a part that I can control by the questions I ask the person.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_01: This is this really, really interesting.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_01: All right, we're coming to the end of this.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_01: So I have a few more questions for you.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_01: And one is what is a miracle to you?
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_02: A miracle to me is something that happens with a good thing that happens without us being able to explain it.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_02: Um Einstein said you can either believe that everything's a miracle or nothing's a miracle.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I I don't think it's I don't think people are that binary, but I think some people, some things get relegated into the miracle category because we uh we don't know what caused it, and it's a good thing.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_02: I I I have I in my mind, miracles aren't bad things that happen.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_02: They're they're good things that happen, and they're good things that happen that we don't know how to explain and that we're thankful for and that we like and and we want those things to happen, but we we don't know how they happened, and so we attribute that to um, you know, God or uh I or source or what have you.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_02: Um that it's a concept that I find very useful in my work, actually, because I talked about belief systems, and so you find out if someone believes in miracles, if they do, that's great.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_02: Because that also indicates more suggestibility, by the way.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_02: And so it's uh it's a very helpful metric for me.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_02: So I define it as all of those things.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_01: So everybody listening to this, they believe in miracles.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_01: So you guys are more highly suggestible.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_01: I love this.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_01: And do you have a miracle to share with us?
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_02: A miracle.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I see miracles all the time because I see miracles in change.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_02: Uh people change, and I'm doing my job, I'm doing my part, but I know there's something additional that I that I'm unable to account for.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_02: And so for me, that's what I what I farm out to miracle.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I I'd say that's that's miracle.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_02: I maybe I could get on Claude or something and find out what's actually driving it, what are the factors, but I'm gonna go with miracle because I'm human and I don't have and I'd rather just, you know, believe that it's a miracle.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_02: So I see people um, you know, losing major amounts of weight, stopping smoking, uh, stopping uh smoking uh things in addition to cigarettes that are that are hurting them.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_02: I see people stopping using drugs.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_02: I see people stopping gambling and stopping use uh wasting their life savings and wiping out the family savings.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_02: I see that every day.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_02: When I thought, given my skill set and what I know of them, that it's probably not gonna work.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_02: It's you know, I need a miracle here, that type thing.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_02: And I and I see it come through for me and I think, wow, even that person stopped.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_02: That's that's a miracle.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_01: That is a miracle.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_01: I really love that.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_01: Is there any last words that you have for our audience?
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_01: Anything that we didn't touch on, anything you felt like we missed, or just a message?
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_02: Well, first of all, I just want to say that Adrian, I really appreciate you and and the depth that you're drilling to and the and the heart that you bring to it.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, this is way beyond any any normal interview.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_02: So thank you for that.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_02: Uh so we we've covered quite a bit of of ground.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I'll just part with something that I that I typically end with, which is um a quote by the musical group America.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_02: Oz never did give nothing to the tin man that he didn't, didn't already have.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_02: And so that to me is a ref, you know, is a reference to the wizard of Oz.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_02: He gave everyone a representation of what they have.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_02: They want courage, they want this, they want that.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_02: He gave them things that symbolize that.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_02: But the song is saying that Oz didn't give them anything that they didn't already have.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_02: And I relate that to hypnosis.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_02: Hypnosis won't give you anything that you don't already have.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_02: It just helps you realize the beauty, the power, the you know, the amazingness that you already have.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_02: It helps you bring that out more.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_00: Let's make miracles happen.