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Lori Vallow's Convictions Pile Up · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: In the Last Days a bombshell in the prosecution off
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  Speaker 2: cult Mom Laurie Valo. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 2: I want to thank you for being with us. That's right,
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  Speaker 2: Colt Mom aka Doomsday Mom Laurie Valo. The jury just
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  Speaker 2: hands down a verdict in a case where she is
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  Speaker 2: charged of conspiring to kill her niece's ex husband.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: A jury, a jury in Phoenix convicts cult Mom Laurie
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  Speaker 2: Valo of conspiring to kill her niece's ex husband, this
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  Speaker 2: marking her second murder conspiracy conviction in Arizona alone in
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  Speaker 2: under two months.
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  Speaker 1: Does the name.
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  Speaker 2: Charles Valo ring a bell? He's one of the many
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  Speaker 2: dead bodies connected to cult Mom Laurie Valo.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us.
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  Speaker 2: Here at Crime Stories and on Serious XM one eleven.
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  Speaker 2: Charles Valo gunned down in cold blood at the behest
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  Speaker 2: of Colt Mom Lorie Valo after she lured him to
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  Speaker 2: the location.
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  Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, let me jog your memory. Listen.
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  Speaker 3: In the fight with my brother in LAWNA shot him
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  Speaker 3: until the tenth.
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  Speaker 4: Hey bed breathing.
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  Speaker 3: I can't tell.
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  Speaker 4: Are you wanting are you willing to go over to
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  Speaker 4: him and check? Sure?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's blood, he's not moving.
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  Speaker 2: He's pretty nonchalant, like a daysical. Oh yeah, there's blood,
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  Speaker 2: he's not moving, listened to more.
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  Speaker 3: I turned around and he hit me in the back
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  Speaker 3: of the head of the bathroom. So I went to
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  Speaker 3: my room and got my gun.
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  Speaker 1: Harriet, you went to your room, meaning and room you're staying.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, you brought your bride a gun with you?
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  Speaker 4: Do you always bring a gun?
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  Speaker 3: I'll consumed carry all?
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  Speaker 5: Okay, fair, Hi, who are you?
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  Speaker 1: Okay? Just stand a different just a segregation.
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  Speaker 4: And then.
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  Speaker 3: I thought he put the bat down, and he wouldn't.
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  Speaker 3: Then he came out me and getting the wife to.
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  Speaker 1: Show up his wife mm hmmm.
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't sound upset at all. And there is a
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  Speaker 2: legal theory called cooling off period number one. I don't
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  Speaker 2: believe that Laurie Vallo called man Laurie Vello's brother Alex Cox,
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  Speaker 2: was ever hit with a bat.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that's true. But even so, he.
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  Speaker 2: Goes into the house and comes back with a gun.
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  Speaker 2: That's called a cooling off period. This turns into not
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  Speaker 2: self defense but murder. Well, it's not over yet. And
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  Speaker 2: remember Laurie Valo is there at the time her ex husband,
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  Speaker 2: her husband, Charles Valo, is gunned down dead by her brother.
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  Speaker 2: This is all her maneuvering. Listen, So you told him
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  Speaker 2: to put the yes?
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  Speaker 1: So where are you at and where are you at now?
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  Speaker 1: Did you stay in your bedroom?
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  Speaker 4: No? Okay?
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  Speaker 6: Why did you stay just in your bedroom?
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  Speaker 1: Closed the door?
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  Speaker 7: Is that some of you did think about it or
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  Speaker 7: didn't even heard of me?
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  Speaker 4: Okay, so walk me through it.
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  Speaker 5: So you go back in your room.
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  Speaker 1: So I just went back to liver only what is
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  Speaker 1: your problem with the gun?
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  Speaker 8: Yes?
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  Speaker 6: I said, I want you to put that back down,
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  Speaker 6: and he wouldn't do it.
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  Speaker 3: He's like you.
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  Speaker 6: And he came at meat with the bat again after
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  Speaker 6: you're already hitting out the head.
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  Speaker 3: So nice I him to stop him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't believe that for one minute, standing by
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  Speaker 2: egging the whole murder on Colt Mom, Lorie Valo. Guys, again,
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  Speaker 2: thank you for being with us here at Crime Stories
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  Speaker 2: with me an all star panel to make sense of
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  Speaker 2: what we know right now. But first to the news
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  Speaker 2: director of the East Idaho News dot Com, who has
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  Speaker 2: been about three inches of Colet Mom's Lori Valo's tailpipe
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  Speaker 2: since the get go.
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  Speaker 1: Before her children were ever found.
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  Speaker 2: He smelled a rat chaser all the way to and
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  Speaker 2: back in an effort to find JJ in Tylely. Now
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  Speaker 2: we're onto another murder. Nate eaton joining us. Nate, thank
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  Speaker 2: you for being with us. What happened to Charles Valow?
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  Speaker 4: Charles Vallo went over to pick up his son JJ
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  Speaker 4: to take him to school. It was July of twenty nineteen,
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  Speaker 4: and when he went in the house, the account was
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  Speaker 4: that he got into some sort of argument with Alex Cox.
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  Speaker 4: Laurie's brother, Tylee was there. JJ was there, Laurie was there.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, Dawn.
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  Speaker 2: All the other witnesses are dead. Alex Cox is dead.
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  Speaker 2: JJ is dead. God rest his soul. Tyley is dead,
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  Speaker 2: God rest her soul. The only person left to tell
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  Speaker 2: the story is colet Mom.
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  Speaker 1: Laurie Vallee. You think I'm taking her word for anything?
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  Speaker 2: She told me this guy was blue, I'd say, no,
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  Speaker 2: it's absolutely red.
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  Speaker 4: Go ahead, right, So that's when Alex Cox says that Charles,
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  Speaker 4: as you mentioned, came after with a Now, remember Nancy,
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  Speaker 4: Charles was an athlete, Charles played baseball. He's not going
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  Speaker 4: to swing and miss when you hit someone in the
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  Speaker 4: head with a bat. And that's when Alex said, in
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  Speaker 4: self defense, he had to get a gun. He shot Charles.
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  Speaker 4: It came out though later in court that Charles was
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  Speaker 4: not just shot. Once Charles was shot. When he was
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  Speaker 4: lying on the ground, they found a bullet in the
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  Speaker 4: floor underneath his body. That's when Laurie Valo left with
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  Speaker 4: her son JJ went to Burger King.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, what what white, white white did you just say?
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  Speaker 2: After his father is gun down in front of him,
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  Speaker 2: they go celebrate at Burger King.
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  Speaker 1: And didn't they go buy flip flops or something at
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  Speaker 1: Walmart or Costco?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Walgreens. They stopped by Walgreens and got a pair
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  Speaker 4: of flip flops. Then she dropped JJ off at school
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  Speaker 4: and came back to that house. And that's where we've
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  Speaker 4: seen that video where she's kind of laughing and saying
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  Speaker 4: she just moved into the neighborhood. All the police are
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  Speaker 4: interrogating her and investigating the death of her husband.
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  Speaker 1: Has your husband lived here?
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  Speaker 9: No?
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  Speaker 3: Gotcha? Gotcha?
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  Speaker 5: How long have you guys lived here? Okay, how long
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  Speaker 5: have you lived here?
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  Speaker 7: Three?
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  Speaker 1: Weeks.
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  Speaker 5: Oh jeez, yeah, okay, gotcha, Like.
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  Speaker 8: Hi, neighbor, Sorry, are you working at all?
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  Speaker 4: I know?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, and you're still about five six twenty start when
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  Speaker 1: you think it makes a little sense. Okay, so.
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  Speaker 5: That's a crazy question.
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  Speaker 2: Well, so we moved into this house three weeks ago
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  Speaker 2: because he offered to get a house here where all my.
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  Speaker 10: Family is in Houston.
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  Speaker 2: You're hearing Colt Mom Laurie Valo speaking guys. Charles Valo
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  Speaker 2: just one of the many bodies, dead bodies connected to
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  Speaker 2: Colt Mom Laurie vale And now she has taken to
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  Speaker 2: a new jurisdiction to answer up on those charges. But
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  Speaker 2: that's not all as it relates to Charles Valow. Their
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  Speaker 2: problems go way back before she saw to it that
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  Speaker 2: he was shot dead. Take a listen to bodycam footage
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  Speaker 2: of cops talking to Charles Valow on an earlier occasion.
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  Speaker 3: So what's going on tonight?
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  Speaker 5: I can't get in touch with kids.
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  Speaker 1: How old are your kids?
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  Speaker 11: Six and a half and sixteenth? Okay?
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  Speaker 3: How long have you been trying? Two days?
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  Speaker 6: Okay?
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  Speaker 11: But she she's lost her mind out of the house
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  Speaker 11: to say it, we're lds. She thinks she's a resurrected
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  Speaker 11: being in a.
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  Speaker 10: God.
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  Speaker 11: And remember the one hundred and forty four thousand she's
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  Speaker 11: come to Jesus is coming next year. She took all
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  Speaker 11: the money out of her bank account.
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  Speaker 1: Today you're hearing the voice I've now murdered.
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  Speaker 2: Charles Valo on a previous occasion, he's trying to get
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  Speaker 2: his son and can't find him anywhere, and he's talking
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  Speaker 2: to cops about it.
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  Speaker 1: Listen to more.
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  Speaker 11: My truck had gone from the airport. She went at
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  Speaker 11: the airport and got it. I just lew in from
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  Speaker 11: Houston from Dallas. You stand outs. So the truck I
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  Speaker 11: don't know, A good friend of mine, truck I picked
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  Speaker 11: me up. I went to the CSI to follow report,
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  Speaker 11: which is good? He any bridges or something?
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  Speaker 3: Final report?
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  Speaker 5: So you did did you did the petition the order
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  Speaker 5: to pick up?
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  Speaker 4: Okay?
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  Speaker 8: What time did you do?
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  Speaker 1: Do that?
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  Speaker 8: Hour?
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  Speaker 4: A half?
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  Speaker 11: We okay?
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  Speaker 3: So what makes her a danger to herself?
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  Speaker 11: And two others threatened they murdered me?
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  Speaker 6: Kill me?
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  Speaker 4: She threatened to murder you.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, joining me right now is Rex Connor. This is
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  Speaker 1: called mom.
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  Speaker 2: Laurie Valo, Dave Bill's uncle, host of a podcast, Silver Linings,
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  Speaker 2: and author of an incredible book, Laurie's Lies and Family Ties,
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  Speaker 2: Healing from the Tiley and JJ tragedy. Rex Connor, thank
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  Speaker 2: you for being with us. When I hear Charles Valo speaking,
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  Speaker 2: it's heartbreaking. He's telling the cops she's threatened to kill me.
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  Speaker 3: It is heartbreaking. No one can hear that and just
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  Speaker 3: not be heartbroken by the fact that he's trying to
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  Speaker 3: get her help. He's not afraid for his own life
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  Speaker 3: or coward, and he's trying to get help for Laurie.
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  Speaker 1: She's been threatening to kill him forever.
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  Speaker 2: As she did it, she was there, she arranged it,
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  Speaker 2: She lured him there to pick up JJ, and now
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  Speaker 2: he's dead.
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  Speaker 1: He told cops, she wants to kill me. What is
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  Speaker 1: the problem?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's up to the prosecutors. We just you know,
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  Speaker 3: we want justice and we want the most amount of
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  Speaker 3: justice you can get in this life. So I personally
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  Speaker 3: had that feeling. I'm with you on that.
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  Speaker 4: Remember, Nancy, it's not just one charge, it's two for
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  Speaker 4: the conspiracy to commit the murder of her neph at
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  Speaker 4: the time her nephew.
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  Speaker 1: The nephew is still alive.
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  Speaker 2: Rich Robertson is joining us Arizona based private investigator for
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  Speaker 2: Brandon Boudreau and the Woodcock family. He owns R three Investigations.
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  Speaker 2: You can find him at our Threeinvestigations dot com. Rich robertson,
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  Speaker 2: your client Boodreau, he was shot at by this gang
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  Speaker 2: headed up by Laurie Valo Listen.
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  Speaker 12: Brandon Boudreau calls nine to one one reporting that someone
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  Speaker 12: shot at his car as he drove into his neighborhood.
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  Speaker 12: He believes Laurie's brother, Alex was the trigger man. Boudreau
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  Speaker 12: had been married to Valodabell's niece, Melanie Pilowski, but after
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  Speaker 12: they divorced, Valodabell believed Boudreau, like her ex husband Charles,
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  Speaker 12: was controlled by a dark spirit, and according to Valodabell,
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  Speaker 12: the only way to get rid of a dark spirit
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  Speaker 12: is to kill it.
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  Speaker 1: Rich robertson, what do you say?
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  Speaker 5: I think it's pretty well subtled that Alex Cox was
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  Speaker 5: the guy who not only shot Charles value in July,
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  Speaker 5: but then in October nineteen was the guy who put
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  Speaker 5: put the gun out the back of a jeep Cherokee
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  Speaker 5: and fired a shot at Brandon as he pulled into
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  Speaker 5: his driveway. Who was behind arranging all of that, what
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  Speaker 5: the evidence is, all the communications that was going on
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  Speaker 5: between Alex, Lori, Chad whomever, text messages, phone calls, cell
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  Speaker 5: tower tracking. I'm sure all of that is going to
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  Speaker 5: be the evidence as to who was involved in the conspiracy.
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  Speaker 2: Cultmom Laurie Vallo convicted on a charge of conspiring to
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  Speaker 2: murder Brandon Boudreau, who was once married to Coltmom's niece.
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  Speaker 2: The attempt occurred outside his home in the Phoenix suburb
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  Speaker 2: of Gilbert.
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: An Arizona jury just hands down a verdict against Coltman
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  Speaker 2: Lauri Valo. This after a previous Arizona jury convicted coltmom
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  Speaker 2: of conspiring with her brother Alex Cox, to kill her
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  Speaker 2: estranged husband, Charles Valo, at her Coltmom's home in another
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  Speaker 2: Phoenix suburb. Candler now remember Coltman Laurie Valo, with all
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  Speaker 2: of her doomsday religious beliefs, has already been sentenced in
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  Speaker 2: Idaho to life behind bars for killing her two little
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  Speaker 2: children and engaging in a plot to kill a romantic
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  Speaker 2: rival that would be Tammy Day Bell, her now husband
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  Speaker 2: the prophet Chad Dave Bell's wife. While Laurie Valo was
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  Speaker 2: picking out her wedding dress and ordering it. Dave Bell
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  Speaker 2: was still married to Tammy, and what a kowinkydink she died.
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  Speaker 2: The wedding went forward without a hitch. What do we
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  Speaker 2: know about that case with her husband marries about a
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  Speaker 2: month later to a woman whose husband dies two weeks before.
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  Speaker 2: I'm starting to simmer, just simmering. Take a listen right now,
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  Speaker 2: to East Idaho News reporter Nate Eaton.
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  Speaker 13: Deputies responded as they took pictures, they looked it over,
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  Speaker 13: contacted our detectives. Detectives had a few questions. They satisfied
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  Speaker 13: those didn't see anything that alarmed them.
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  Speaker 10: Was Chad Dabell acting interesting or suspicious or normal?
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  Speaker 13: To my knowledge, he was responding like anybody would whose
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  Speaker 13: spouse had just passed away. That's why the deputies didn't
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  Speaker 13: antis or didn't suspect anything suspicious.
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  Speaker 10: A few days later, Humphries says his office was alerted
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  Speaker 10: by detectives in Arizona about the other deaths. Tammy's body
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  Speaker 10: was exhumed from the spring Hill, Utah Evergreens Cemetery and
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  Speaker 10: an autopsy was performed.
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  Speaker 13: And we're still waiting for the lab results to come back.
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  Speaker 10: Do you know if Tammy Dabell had a big life
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  Speaker 10: insurance policy.
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  Speaker 5: There is some.
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  Speaker 13: Information along those lines that I'm not at liberty to
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  Speaker 13: speak about right now, but that is being investigated.
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  Speaker 3: Yes it is.
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  Speaker 2: You're hearing our friend Nate Eaton with the East Idaho
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  Speaker 2: News dot Com questioning the Fremont County Sheriff Lee Humphries.
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  Speaker 2: I got a lot more questions joining me right now,
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  Speaker 2: an a list panel number one, former prosecutor, former felony prosecutor,
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  Speaker 2: and I've checked out his record.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: Defense attorney Darryl Cohen joining me from the Atlanta Jurisdiction.
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  Speaker 2: Bobby Checkone, former special agent with the FBI, current star
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  Speaker 2: a Facebook series Curse of Acacor, Doctor Angela Arnold, renowned
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  Speaker 2: psychiatrist MD joining us today. Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University,
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  Speaker 2: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. Joseph Scott Morgan,
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  Speaker 2: death investigator, but right now to reporter with the East
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  Speaker 2: Idaho News dot Com, Nate Eaton, Nate, Hey, no offense,
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  Speaker 2: but you kind of rolled over on a couple of
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  Speaker 2: those questions.
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  Speaker 1: You didn't want to tangle with the.
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  Speaker 2: County sheriff because when he says, I had a few questions,
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  Speaker 2: A few questions. Why would a woman in her forties
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  Speaker 2: and perfect health that we know of, and don't you
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  Speaker 2: know she had some underlying ailmentt Coltmom's family would be
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  Speaker 2: blasting it out there. Uh huh No, she's training for
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  Speaker 2: a marathon. Can you say that, Nate, eating and you have.
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  Speaker 1: A few questions? Die in her sleep.
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  Speaker 2: The last person to see her alive was her husband,
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  Speaker 2: Chad Dabell, who wrote twenty five books that we know
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  Speaker 2: of about end of Times with some crazy cult and
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  Speaker 2: he just married Lorie Valley right after Tammy dies in
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  Speaker 2: her sleep with him hying right beside her.
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  Speaker 1: Come on, Nate, what's the sheriff saying now?
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  Speaker 4: Well, the sheriff saying that the autopsy will tell the answers.
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  Speaker 4: You know, Tammy was the school librarian who everybody loved.
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  Speaker 4: Everybody in town knew her. She worked with every student
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  Speaker 4: that came into that library, so she was a beloved
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  Speaker 4: member of the community. Everybody was shocked when she died.
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  Speaker 4: What interesting Nancy knows, she whoa whoa.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody was shocked, but nobody did anything. Did they Nobody
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  Speaker 2: did a darn thing, did they?
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  Speaker 1: Nate you kill over and your sleep. Don't worry.
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  Speaker 2: I'm on it. Okay, But nobody did anything with Tammy
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  Speaker 2: Daybell died. Just tell me what the sheriff says about
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  Speaker 2: the way Chad Dave Bell reacted when his wife just
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  Speaker 2: up and dies in her sleep.
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  Speaker 4: They said that he acted like a grieving husband would
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  Speaker 4: any grieving h wood. He was upset, he was distraught.
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  Speaker 4: Here's the interesting thing. She died on a Saturday morning.
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  Speaker 4: She was in the ground by Tuesday afternoon. Normally families
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  Speaker 4: take time to notify loved ones.
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  Speaker 1: Hold what wh w hold on? Nate, just curious.
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  Speaker 2: I've never asked you this before, But where are you from?
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  Speaker 4: I'm from all over, but I've lived in Idaho now
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  Speaker 4: for five years.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that is not an acceptable answer because you're only
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  Speaker 2: from one place.
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  Speaker 1: Where would that be, nighty?
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  Speaker 4: I grew up near Salt Lake City.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, because I don't know what the customary practice is
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  Speaker 2: where you grew up.
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  Speaker 1: But she dies on.
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  Speaker 2: Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday's three days later.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. I don't find that unusual. So where you're from,
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  Speaker 1: is that unusual?
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  Speaker 4: Well, normally you would notify friends, family members because they
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  Speaker 4: didn't bury her body here in Idaho. They had to
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  Speaker 4: make arrangements to have her body transport about six hours
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  Speaker 4: from where we're at.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Now, wait a minute, that's something new. Tell me
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  Speaker 1: that again.
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  Speaker 4: So she dies Saturday morning. They don't bury her body
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  Speaker 4: in Idaho. What they do is they ship her body
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  Speaker 4: back to where she grew up, down in the middle
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  Speaker 4: of Utah. So you have to make arrangements for that.
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  Speaker 4: They hold the floor.
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  Speaker 1: How far away is that?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they didn't teach me much geography in law school.
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  Speaker 2: How long of a drive is that?
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: Oh, at least six hours?
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Six hours? So what did you say they had to
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: ship her body die? Hear you say that they have
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: to ship her body.
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: They could just see take her body down to Springville, Utah.
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: So six hours from here. Then the next day the
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: family comes back to Idaho and holds a memorial service
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: without her body or casket. So it was as if
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: things were in a fast motion. And a lot of
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: people that attended that memorial service said it was weird
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: that there wasn't even a casket. There wasn't even a
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: body there.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: I hate to argue with you this much right off
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: the get go, but Nate I'm ready, Nate. When you
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: have a memorial, that very often means the person is
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: being cremated or buried, and at some later date there
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: is a memorial. You're a memory, you're remembering the person
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: a funeral. Now, Jackie, look us up on Google. Difference
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: between memorial and funeral. See, these are the fun things
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: I do in my spare time when I'm not chasing down.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: Killers, Nate.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: Because you wouldn't expect, typically at a memorial, I wouldn't expect.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Necessarily for a body to be there. But I am interested.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: So that's not unusual so far. Memorial was three days later,
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: not not concerning me at all. That in my mind
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: is typical. But you did say something. You said something
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: about family and friends not knowing. Did family and friends
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: not did everybody not get the word that Tammy had
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: passed away?
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: There were a lot of people that found out after
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: the fact, after the funeral, after the memorial, whoa Tammy
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: Davell died? She was here six days ago getting ready
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: for this race, and now she's buried in the ground.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Okay, so they didn't put it in the local paper
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: that there's going to be a memorial service.
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: There was an obituary. But again, everything happened so quickly.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: Normally you'd wait a few days. And if you're going
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: to be where you're pat where the death occurs, do
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: that memorial service first with the cast, get pay your respect,
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: then take it down to you.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Hold on, dear, because my.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Crack legal researcher Jackie is holding up body.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Not present for memorial. That's what a memorial is, Nate, Okay,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: you know what.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: I'm going to quit arguing with you about memorial versus
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: funeral and get down to something serious. The fact that
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: you're telling me she was buried so quickly that everybody
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: didn't even realize or hadn't gotten notice of a funeral.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: And most importan question etiquette aside, how long after Tammy
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: day Bell died did Chad at day Bell Mary called
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: mom Laurie Valo?
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: Within three weeks, Within three weeks they were married.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: I thought it was a month, not that that made
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: any difference to me. One week does not. Of course,
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: a lot can happen in seven days. But three weeks
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: later he has remarried Tammy Dabell. She's dead and nobody
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: even bothered to ask for an autosy.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: The husband didn't care what happened to my wife? Why
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: is she dead? If God forbid my husband just dropped dead,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: I'd want to know why I love him. I want
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: to know what happened to him, to try to make
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: sense of it all.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: But take a listen right now to the Fremont County
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Sheriff Lee Humphreys.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: He's added again with Nate Eaton nineteenth, we.
• 22:00
  Speaker 13: Did respond to an unattended death at the Devel home
• 22:06
  Speaker 13: in the southern part of Fremont County Salem Highway, and
• 22:10
  Speaker 13: Tammy Dave Bell was deceased at that time. Officers, my
• 22:17
  Speaker 13: officers deputies responded and as we do with most unattended deaths,
• 22:22
  Speaker 13: they took pictures, they looked it over, contacted our detectives.
• 22:26
  Speaker 13: Detectives had a few questions. They satisfied those got the
• 22:30
  Speaker 13: information they needed, didn't see anything that alarmed them. Contacted
• 22:36
  Speaker 13: the coroner. Corner responded and the body was transported to
• 22:42
  Speaker 13: the funeral home. The corner went there also to do
• 22:46
  Speaker 13: a further examination, and she determined that there was nothing
• 22:50
  Speaker 13: out of ordinary natural causes. A few days later, we
• 22:56
  Speaker 13: started getting information out of Arizona that we maybe ought
• 22:59
  Speaker 13: to culture look.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: At this, well, he sounds pretty calm.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: We also know that at the time, no autopsy was
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: ordered to Bobby Chacon, a former special agent with the FBI,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: current star Facebook series Curse of Acacore.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Bobby Chacone, that's a special agent with the FBI.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: You've seen a lot of dead bodies, and it concerns
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: me that nobody demanded an autopsy.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Does that not bother you?
• 23:27
  Speaker 8: It totally bothers me. And you know, you think that
• 23:31
  Speaker 8: those of us in law enforcement have a natural curiosity
• 23:33
  Speaker 8: and natural suspicion, particularly when you know a otherwise healthy,
• 23:37
  Speaker 8: normal adult is dead and an unattended death. The normal
• 23:42
  Speaker 8: protocol for us would be to request an autopsy, because
• 23:45
  Speaker 8: you know, there's a mantra for us in the forensic
• 23:47
  Speaker 8: world is that you have to get the evidence fast
• 23:49
  Speaker 8: and first, or else it can be compromised. And if
• 23:52
  Speaker 8: you lose that opportunity, you lose it forever. And in
• 23:56
  Speaker 8: this type of case, as an investigator, if I walked
• 23:58
  Speaker 8: in there and I saw an otherwise healthy adult in
• 24:00
  Speaker 8: an und tended death situation, I would think one of
• 24:04
  Speaker 8: the most important tools we're going to have is the
• 24:07
  Speaker 8: toxicology report resulting from an autopsy.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: We also know that in most jurisdictions, the next of
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: ken decides whether there will be an autopsy. Take a
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: listen to KATV the seventies reporter Gretchen Parsons.
• 24:22
  Speaker 14: When forty nine year old Tammy day Bell was found
• 24:25
  Speaker 14: dead in her bed last October, the Fremont County Sheriff
• 24:28
  Speaker 14: says family members ask the county corner not to perform
• 24:32
  Speaker 14: an autopsy because her death appeared to be natural at
• 24:35
  Speaker 14: the time, the coroner didn't do one. Under Idaho law,
• 24:39
  Speaker 14: if the death is considered to be from natural causes,
• 24:42
  Speaker 14: the corner can opt not to do an autopsy. The
• 24:45
  Speaker 14: Fremont County Corner isn't speaking about this case publicly, but
• 24:48
  Speaker 14: Ada County Corner Dotty Owen says that is unusual unless
• 24:53
  Speaker 14: Tammy was under the care of a physician.
• 24:55
  Speaker 15: What we would do is we would call and speak
• 24:57
  Speaker 15: to the primary care physician, verify that history, review those
• 25:00
  Speaker 15: medical records, and then at that point released that individual
• 25:03
  Speaker 15: so that that primary care physician could sign that death
• 25:05
  Speaker 15: certificate out at that point, if family had refused it
• 25:09
  Speaker 15: on atop see, we would sit down with this family
• 25:11
  Speaker 15: explain why we needed to do it.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: The importance of doing it, and then.
• 25:15
  Speaker 15: At that point, if we were still met with resistance,
• 25:18
  Speaker 15: we would go ahead and just do it based on jurisdiction.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: And of course the next of ken was Chad Da Bell.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Now wait a minute, hold on, there is Tammy Day
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Bell and there is the then estranged husband, Charles Valo.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Now remember an Arizona jury just convicted her in the
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: murder conspiring with her brother.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: To murder Charles Valo.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, hold on, I need a flowchart for this. We've
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: got her convicted for murdering JJ and Tyley, her children.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: We've got her convicted conspiring to murder Tammy daybail. Now
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: that'll happen in Idaho and Arizona. She was just convicted
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: for conspiring to murder, along with her brother Alex Cox,
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: murder her estranged husband, Charles Valo.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Okay, what do we know about Charles Valo's shooting death? Plenty?
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Anna Juri agrees.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Guys, let's hear more of Charles value speaking about Laurie
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Vallos rightning to murder him.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: He's had kind of a brightful unity.
• 26:33
  Speaker 11: You Elia, Yes, she thinks she's married to Moron Now
• 26:37
  Speaker 11: in the past, do you think she's what he's married
• 26:40
  Speaker 11: to Morona.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: At the top of the temple Angel Angel ldsrobation.
• 26:47
  Speaker 11: And she knows when the Second Coming is happening. Makes
• 26:49
  Speaker 11: your ss a prophet. Okay, he knows that, she knows,
• 26:52
  Speaker 11: she knows about it. She'd be so borrown out. Jesus
• 26:54
  Speaker 11: Christ based based in the temple every day. I've tried
• 26:58
  Speaker 11: to support as much as I could, but it's got really,
• 27:01
  Speaker 11: really bad like that, She's had a break. She says,
• 27:03
  Speaker 11: I'm Nick Schneider. I've taken over Charles's body and Charles
• 27:10
  Speaker 11: was killed.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: I'm going to kill you being a murdered today or tomorrow.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Okay, Nate Aiden. She actually says to Charles Valo, you
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: will be I'm going to kill you. You'll be killed
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: today or tomorrow. And then he's murdered.
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: Charles Valow did raise the warning sign. It was there
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: on tape as you said that Laurie was making these statements.
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: They did eventually reconcile back together after that, you know,
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: situation with the police. But yeah, he was born. She
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: warned him about this and and it's unfortunately it happened.
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: Now he's dead.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Here is more of Charles Valo telling cops Coltman, Laurie
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Valo was going to kill him.
• 27:49
  Speaker 11: She's not here. She lost her reality. We've done at
• 27:53
  Speaker 11: a great marriage. All of a sudden the last month
• 27:55
  Speaker 11: just blew up. I will kill you because you're not Charles,
• 27:58
  Speaker 11: and nobody will care.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, so she at this point doesn't think you are
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: her husband.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: Don't you take seven Nick Schneider, who's a Mick Schneider.
• 28:07
  Speaker 11: Have no idea the name she used? I know where
• 28:09
  Speaker 11: it came from.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm just like I'm as bewildered as you are.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the marriage was perfect until just recently. What happened?
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Where does she get in her head that her husband,
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Charles Vallo was an evil spirit?
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: Hmmm?
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Where could that have come from? Take a listen to
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: our friend Jackie Howard.
• 28:29
  Speaker 9: Charles and Lourie Vallo meet and Mary in two thousand
• 28:32
  Speaker 9: and six. Laurie has two children from another marriage. Charles
• 28:36
  Speaker 9: has three sons. They live in Kawhi for a time
• 28:39
  Speaker 9: in twenty fourteen, but moved back to the continental US
• 28:43
  Speaker 9: sometime between twenty sixteen and twenty seventeen, living in Arizona.
• 28:48
  Speaker 9: It's during this time that Lori Vello reportedly meets Chad
• 28:51
  Speaker 9: Dabeil at a religious conference in Saint George, Utah. The
• 28:55
  Speaker 9: couple hit it off and appear on several End of
• 28:58
  Speaker 9: the World style podcasts. Charles and Laurie's marriage, however, turned sour.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Joining me Karen Start, renowned psychologist, joining us out of
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Manhattan at Karenstar dot com. Karen, I think I know
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: what happened. She meets Chad Dabell, the so called prophet.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: His pickup line, believe it or not, is we were
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: married in a past life, so he might as well
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: run over to that motel right now.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: And it worked.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Suddenly, this woman believes she is a goddess of sort
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: on a heavenly mission, and she is with Chaddabell.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: That's why Valo needs a divorce. That's what happened. I
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: guess he just didn't know it when he was talking
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: to police.
• 29:42
  Speaker 16: I don't know if he knew it, but I do
• 29:45
  Speaker 16: know that Chad actually appealed to her narcissism and by
• 29:52
  Speaker 16: calling her a goddess that was perfect for Laurie and
• 29:56
  Speaker 16: Nancy trub Bellow even in the divorce was and he said,
• 30:01
  Speaker 16: I don't know what she's going to do with them.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Her children.
• 30:04
  Speaker 16: I don't know if she's.
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: Going to flee with them, if she's going to hurt them.
• 30:07
  Speaker 16: So he was worried about the safety of himself and
• 30:11
  Speaker 16: his children.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Very worried.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: And as a matter of fact, she meets up with
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Chad Daybill and what happens next listen.
• 30:20
  Speaker 9: Charles Vellow files for divorce in twenty nineteen. He claims
• 30:23
  Speaker 9: that Laurie views herself as a god and has said
• 30:26
  Speaker 9: she would kill him if he ever gets in her
• 30:29
  Speaker 9: way of preparing for the second Coming of Christ. The
• 30:32
  Speaker 9: morning of July eleventh, Charles Vellow goes to Lourie's rental
• 30:36
  Speaker 9: home in Chandler, Arizona to pick up his son jaj
• 30:39
  Speaker 9: for school. Alex Cox, Laurie's brother, is also there. Within
• 30:44
  Speaker 9: an hour, Valo is lying in a pool of blood,
• 30:47
  Speaker 9: shot by Alex Cox. Cox claims self defense and is
• 30:51
  Speaker 9: not charged. Laurie marries Chad day Bell.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: To Rex Connor, joining us Laurie Valo's uncle and host
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: of silver Lining things. Tell me your understanding of how
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: Calman Laurie Valo meets Chad day Bail and what ensues.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: Well, they were both interested before they met in this
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: into the world stuff, the so called doomsday doomsday stuff,
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: and so they met at a conference of people that
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: get together and talk about preparing for the end of
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: the world. Not a popular thing amongst most people, but
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: there is a group that meets and talks about it.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: So when they met, I like the way her brother
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: Adam the Good Brother, describes it. When they met, it
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: was the perfect storm. He just appealed to just what
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: she wanted, She appealed to what he wanted, and they
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: allowed themselves this alternative reality that they created together and
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: just ran with it as just a perfect storm of evil.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Also jet to mean Rich Robertson Arizona PI for Brandon Bougereau,
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: who almost ended up dead at the behest of Lori
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Valo according to police. What do you make of her
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: relationship which had dabail and the subsequent murder of Charles Valley, Well, they.
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: Were certainly infatuated with each other for whatever reasons. There
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: was talk that she was she was definitely having an
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: affair with with Chad prior to the time that Charles
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: filed a divorced I think that was one of the
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: reasons he did it, and she was in his group.
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: The prepare of people. She was kind of a sub
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: section of all of that, and Chad Daball was had
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: ideas that she glommed onto, and she was doing podcasts
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: herself along with some others in support of all that,
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: and somehow came to subscribe to all of these kind
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: of strange beliefs about dark spirits and becoming a god herself.
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: And it sure looked like they were trying to get
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: rid of things that were holding them back. All of
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: these murders happened in a very short period of time
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: in twenty nineteen, and she cleared the decks of her
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: husband and that her kids, and then he cleared the
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: decks of his wife, and then they went after Brandon.
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: So it was all very very quick that was happening.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Joining me is doctor Todd Barr, Board certified anatomic clinical
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: forensic pathologist. He's featured in Thin Places Essays from in Between,
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Doctor Barr, it's great to have you on with us.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: I want to talk about Charles Valo. We now know
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: that he was shot, He fell to the ground, most
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: likely was still alive, and Alex Cox and or Lorie
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Valo comes up to him and shoots him again as
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: he's on the ground, the bullet getting wedged in the
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: floor underneath him, Doctor Barr, knowing that he was very
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: likely still alive from the first shot, what did he
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: endure before that second shot?
• 34:26
  Speaker 7: Well, he would have been, you know, losing blood along
• 34:32
  Speaker 7: the way, and I'm not sure what injuries he sustained,
• 34:36
  Speaker 7: but it seems like it was not initially a terminal
• 34:41
  Speaker 7: or a fatal wound, so that he was slowly bleeding out.
• 34:45
  Speaker 7: And what he would be doing is he would be
• 34:47
  Speaker 7: suffering from the pain of whatever areas were hit by
• 34:51
  Speaker 7: that first initial bullet, and then he would be also
• 34:55
  Speaker 7: starting to lose consciousness from the loss of blood. So
• 34:59
  Speaker 7: he's becoming hypoxic, meaning he's not getting any oxygen to
• 35:03
  Speaker 7: his brain or to his vital organs. So he's literally
• 35:07
  Speaker 7: just hanging on by a thread, suffering in pain and
• 35:10
  Speaker 7: losing consciousness.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: When he looks up and the last thing he sees
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: is Alex Cox and or Coltman Laurie Valo standing over
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: him with a gun.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Can he make it out? Doctor? Could he see that?
• 35:25
  Speaker 7: He definitely could have seen that. I mean if he
• 35:27
  Speaker 7: if he was if he was conscious and he opened
• 35:29
  Speaker 7: his eyes, he would have seen that gun pointed at him.
• 35:32
  Speaker 7: I mean this is this is like an execution style killing.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: And now to the most recent conviction, coltman Laurie Valo
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: convicted of conspiring to kill her niece's ex husband, Brandon
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: Booj And you know Chris McDonough joining me, Director Cold
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Case Foundation, former homicide detective. You can find him at
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: colcaysefoundation dot org or his YouTube channel, The Interview Room.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Let's don't forget that there is another victim in this case.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: His name is Brandon Boudreau and it's just an angel
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: in his on his shoulder that kept him from also
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: being a coltman Laurie Valo orchestrated murder.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Listen to this, Chris McDonough our cut five three, seven,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: nine one one.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Where's your emergency?
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: Someone just shot my window. Ok I'm in the cool
• 36:45
  Speaker 6: stable way, but I can see them driving off.
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: Okay, someone shot at your vehicle.
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it hit my window, shattered my driver's side window.
• 36:57
  Speaker 6: Okay when you pulled into his driveway and I was
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: trying to pull in my driveway. All right, A little
• 37:03
  Speaker 6: uugh buh. They just drove off my thromb drive off.
• 37:07
  Speaker 9: Okay, do you know who these people are.
• 37:10
  Speaker 6: I have no idea. I moved into a new home
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: about a week.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Well, we figured out who it was. Chris McDonough.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: Are you surprised that there's yet another intended murder victim?
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: Not at all, Nancy. And in fact, if you listen
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: to that call, right as we listened to that call,
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: he's saying they them. So there's more than one.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: Rich Robertson the PI for Brandon Boudreau, who was this
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: close to getting murdered orchestrated by Lori Valo. Question, do you,
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: Rich Robertson, why the cult mom Laurie Valo want Brandon dead?
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: Well, that's gonna be an interesting question. Brandon's wife at
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: the time, Melody, is Lori Valo's niece, and they were
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: She had become part of that group and she was
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: involved in in the same belief system she and it
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: was creating a lot of family tension. So Brandon was
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: upset that his wife was being sucked down this rabbit
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: hole that Laurie had got her involved in. And it
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: certainly appears that Laurie was helping quote unquote her niece
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: deal with this problem, and her problem.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: Was Brandon question to you, who do you believe was
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: involved in taking a shot at Brandon Bedrive.
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: Well, I have no doubt it was Alex Cox in
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  Speaker 5: the back in the jeep that day. Why Well, all
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  Speaker 5: the evidence suggests that in all the travel and that
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  Speaker 5: was that was going on. I think the evidence is
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  Speaker 5: going to show as I understand what's been collected, and
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: this is a lot of electronics communications going on between
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: Alex and Laurie and at the time of the shooting.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm sure that there are some cell tower type
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  Speaker 5: of records that are going to place Alex at or
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  Speaker 5: near that that crime scene. So I think there's there's
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: gonna be a lot of corroboration for who was saying
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: what and where they were at.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: The time, and what type of vehicle was driving this.
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  Speaker 5: This jeep that he was driving was actually Charles Vallas vehicle.
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: He had given it to Tyley. It still had Texas
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  Speaker 5: plates on it. And and after Charles's death in July,
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: the shooting at Brandon occurred in October, and that jeep
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: had been up to Rexburg and then back again and
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: h they were there was I mean, all this was
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: kind of put together later, but that was the view
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: that Brandon kind of recognized he saw that vehicle, he
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: was aware of it being Charles, and given the circumstances
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: of what happened to Charles, it certainly raised Brandon's suspicions
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: about who was responsible for this.
• 40:17
  Speaker 12: Listen Lori Valo davel where's an Orange Maricopa County jail uniform?
• 40:21
  Speaker 12: For her first Arizona court appearance. She says little during
• 40:25
  Speaker 12: the brief arraignment, dating her name and date of birth.
• 40:27
  Speaker 12: When a judge asks, the court issues a not guilty
• 40:31
  Speaker 12: plea on her behalf.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: Guys, take a listen to our cut five two three
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: Americapa County judge addressing cult mom Lourie vale Mornin.
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  Speaker 11: And Keith Terry and Dene Sukia behalf of this vala
• 40:43
  Speaker 11: who is president appearing in custody?
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Amana. Could you state your phone?
• 40:46
  Speaker 9: Nay please, Lauri Valodeve and your data birth six twenty
• 40:51
  Speaker 9: six seventy three. And this is the time set for
• 40:55
  Speaker 9: the not guilty arrayment on each count.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: We'll start with number six.
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  Speaker 14: As to number six, man, you are before the court
• 41:03
  Speaker 14: on countant one, we'll enter a not guilty plea on
• 41:06
  Speaker 14: your behalf.
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: On you ever reading, sir, so this value value. You
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: are appearing here on two cases.
• 41:14
  Speaker 17: These are both grand jury wants. What that means is
• 41:16
  Speaker 17: that the grand jury here in Arizona has indicted you
• 41:20
  Speaker 17: on two charges. The first case is CR twenty twenty
• 41:23
  Speaker 17: two zero zero one two four to twosh zero zero one.
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  Speaker 17: You're being charged in that case with one count of
• 41:29
  Speaker 17: conspiracy to commit first degree murder. It is a class
• 41:32
  Speaker 17: one felony committed on October the second of twenty nineteen.
• 41:36
  Speaker 17: The second case is CR twenty twenty one zero zero
• 41:39
  Speaker 17: one seven zero four dash zero zero one, and in
• 41:42
  Speaker 17: that case you're also being charged with one count of
• 41:44
  Speaker 17: conspiracy to commit first degree murder.
• 41:47
  Speaker 6: It is also a class one felony.
• 41:49
  Speaker 17: That offense allegedly occurred on July eleventh of twenty nineteen. Now,
• 41:53
  Speaker 17: I do have to advise you of your right to
• 41:56
  Speaker 17: have an attorney and the rights to remain silent. I
• 41:58
  Speaker 17: will appoint counsel for you in both cases.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: Have a court tech coming up for you.
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: It's called a not guilty arraiment hearing.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: In the last days A bombshell in the prosecution off
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: cult Mom Laurie Valo. A jury in Phoenix convicts cult
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: mom Laurie Valo, of conspiring to kill her niece's ex husband,
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Brandon Boudreau. Trust me, we ain't heard the last from
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: Colt mom Laurie Valo, Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,