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Random Heathen Ramblings: S3, EP10 - How Do We Address Interrupted Rituals (w/ Dingo)? (Viewer Request!) · Random Heathen Ramblings

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welcome back to another episode of the random Heathen ramblings
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podcast. Thanks so much for tuning in
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today. This is going to be a fun
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episode, I really hope. So, at least we've got dingo
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coming on, you know, I'm from previous episodes.
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He is our tribes. Go the, and a very near and dear
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friend of mine. A brother of mine, I would say.
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And have said, and will continue to say, we're gonna be talking
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today. We're covering a question that
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Blake also Is the skaldak works. He's got a YouTube channel and
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Instagram page. He actually notified me earlier
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this week, that he's uploaded some content, so if you guys
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haven't checked him out yet on his YouTube channel.
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The link for his information is going to be in the show notes
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and in the description of this podcast.
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So wherever you're taking this in at whether it's on the
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YouTube Premiere or watching on Spotify or any of the other
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podcast platforms and be sure to check out what's called it.
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This is doing but we are going to be bringing it in dingo to
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kind of cover, a little bit of what we talked about last week
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but also to really dive into a question that Blake has
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concerning, when your ritual space, or when you're conducting
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some sort of a ritual whether people out, or, or something,
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when it's unexpectedly, an unannounced, Lee Disturbed in
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some sort of way. And some things that might could
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happen, I think dingos got some Interesting Insight on that.
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So we are going to bring him in today to talk about that and
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some other things. So sit back, relax, enjoy the
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show. Let's welcome in, then go Oh
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yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Welcome back to the podcast, my
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brother Dango. It's going on man in a while.
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Yeah, you know, I feel like I think about this often and I
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feel like it would be great to have you on a regular rotation
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here, because our conversations always leading to some pretty
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cool things, man. And I feel like the listeners
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and the viewers would really like it to have like a On a
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regular occasion like a like a standing guests all time.
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So maybe we bring some other people in but yeah maybe we'll
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see how that works. But yeah I mean like there's a
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lot of that going around. I'm interested in it as well and
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for anybody listening and won't you know watching or whatever
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wondering what are we talking about?
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You'll just have to wait. We'll see.
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Yes it is. Yes it is, that's what that's
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what the guard will be. Today it's going to be
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absolutely anybody in the Middle Tennessee area.
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Who's anybody who's been in the music scene for like, I don't
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know the last couple of decades knows.
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Skulking is Mike Laster and skeet so and those guys man like
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Lamb Chop. Come on, that's a good dudes
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right there. Yeah.
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On the schedule. Yep.
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I remember you telling me that it wasn't?
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My yeah, that's about the year that I moved to the state of
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Tennessee. I was in like West End.
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See area. So I missed all of like the
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really cool local bands that were like, blowing up and doing
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it, do anything at the time. And I learned about them much
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later on because of, because of, because of Vanessa, you know, so
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yeah, we got a good show. I was standing in line to donate
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plasma One day. And I was wearing this exact
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shirt, right? I was wearing this exact shirt
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in the guy. Did it kind of like you did was,
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like, is that a skulkin shirt? And I go?
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Yeah. What do you know about things?
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Like, oh man, dude, I love those guys.
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He said I used to play in a band from around here.
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You might have heard of him and I go really, which one he goes,
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Tony Danza. And I was like, wait, you too?
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I'm like, they had like thirty seven different kinds of birds
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that they rotated between, you know, like everybody in this
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area wasn't Tony Danza. Oh man.
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And I miss them too. Like I never got to see them but
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everybody, everybody that I talk to that ever, says anything
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about him was like they were the shit.
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What was it was sad to the Laughing was the last time I saw
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them, they were headlining and everybody left, and it was like
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the crowd was like five people. Ouch.
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It was an amazing show, that hurts, that hurts the ear.
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I mean, like, I've been at those shows where the headliner comes
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on and everybody that was there like fifty-some-odd people
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packed into. Like, remember remember that,
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what was the TFG in Murfreesboro?
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Remember that, or our autograph even it was like, just this,
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like, it was like a closet almost or just a, you know, a
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storage room that people were packed into and When the
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headliner whoever was would come on.
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Like, everybody, left or dipped out.
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I'm like, that's sorry as hell man.
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Like these people waited hours to play their 30 45 minutes set
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and then you guys just Vamp out on them like that.
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That's that's demoralizing to say the least I would think.
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Yeah. I mean, we ran into that battle
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path a lot. And so like if they were you
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guys sucked anyway, so that doesn't know me.
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That's, that's solid. That's how Nashville and
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Murfreesboro ended up being how the scene was, man.
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Yeah. But yeah, we got a good show
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lined up I think today. But before I get into this, I
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wanted to just like totally off topic.
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I was watching something a minute ago and it was like dudes
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making different whiskey and bourbon recipes.
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And I and I know that this would pique your interest specifically
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because they were making stuff like old Fashions and
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Manhattan's and stuff that that include whiskey as the as the
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alcoholic ingredient, right? So they get to a rest Nail which
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is, which is Scotch whisky and Drambuie.
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Not, you know, like not like a bourbon or a rye, it's made with
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Scotch whiskey and I swear to you do die about screamed at my
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phone because I'm, I'm pretty sure that they were using their
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Scotch at they were using was the was Ardbeg and I'm like how
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dare you use our day in a rusty nail like you could go with
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Johnny Walker you could go with anything else and there and
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there they are just pouring in a couple ounces of Ardbeg into the
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into the See now, and I'm like, it's probably good but it's also
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insulting to me that you would use like such a good.
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I late. And in the guys that were born,
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it was like, you know, that I used to know someone that, would
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that chased a 16 year old single malt with Coke.
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And I didn't know whether to cry or do you still associate with
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such an individual? Where have they been
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busy? You know what really grinds my
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gears kind of moments, you know, is when they use single malts
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and like decent and he's going over here, he's pouring.
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He's like, you know, the characteristics of scotch or
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that They're really Smoky. I'm like, that's like one
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variety. That that's the kind of scotch
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that it is like you talked about space sides or Highlands and and
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and lowland scotches. Like those aren't Smokey at all
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and he's like, oh good characteristics.
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He's got some like, mean topic are that's an I lay that you're
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pouring right there. If you think it's Smoky than
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it's an eye like you know, I wish we could get some of that
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here. There is still, there is still I
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think. 18-year. Yeah, I think there's still like
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an 18. It's either a 15 year and 18,
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and I can't remember what it is that they sell here in the
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States. But it's like, 120 125 bucks
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for, you know, a bottle of it. And I'm like, man, one of these
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days and I keep looking at it every time I walk in the store,
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they got like one or two left on the shelves.
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I'm like, one of these days I'm going to go in there is going to
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be gone, and I'm going to miss my chance.
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I'm just hoping against all hope that they keep it on the shelf
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for long enough, because it's a, it's got like, I don't know,
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they were they advertise it? It's not the, it's not the Are
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the herald, it's I forget which one it is but it's got like
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something to do with like apples or pineapples or something.
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It's like sounds really exotic but yeah Highland Park is is a
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good good. Distillery Europe.
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It was like she had to buy it there.
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Yeah. It wasn't available at all.
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I don't know if it is now but at least that's crazy.
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I think they started maybe to open up but I think with
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everything else too you know Distributing especially from
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these distilleries that are like based in Europe.
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Like they're shipping they're probably getting murdered on
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shipping. I'm sure.
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Cost and everything going up is the way they are, you know, so
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it's probably not even an option for a lot of them.
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But anyway, I just had to throw that little bit in there, right?
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Yeah, you know what, probably better than anybody, you know,
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just those numbers. It is what it is.
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SOC KS, it is what it is. All right?
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But anywho now that we're done talking about, you know,
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awesome, Middle Tennessee, bands.
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And the the aberration of blending single-malt scotches
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with your cocktails. Let's get to the real subject at
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hand. As I mentioned in the intro of
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skaldak, it's called it works. It's got a YouTube channels, got
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an Instagram account Count. It's information is going to be
12:50
linked in the description and in the show notes, he hasn't at
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least up to this point. I think, uploaded a lot of
12:57
content, but he did let me know earlier this week that he just
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uploaded something, so I think he's playing a, I've probably
13:06
butchering the pronunciation but at Allah harp tolly harp, it's
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like that Nordic, you know, stringed instrument, that looks
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like a violin, but sounds like a really, really off, not off-key
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but, you know, the really Groaning kind of yeah II yarning
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sound? I guess, I don't know but I
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think it's yalla Harper or something like that.
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Anyway, he's playing that on his most recent video.
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So everybody that's you know tuned in last week and got the
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first half of his question for the first half of what we were
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going to answer as a question, check that out this week.
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The second part of his email that he sent me includes a
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question that I think dingo here will probably have a good little
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bit of insight on. Or at least a good story to tell
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about it. So his question is when it comes
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to this kind of Falls in line with his question about
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destroying altar objects or ritual tools after they've no
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longer served, you know, their purpose and the profane space
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and what not his second question has to do it interrupted ritual
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spaces. So his question reads that what
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is the appropriate action needed to be taken if On breaks or
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interrupts your Sacred Space that you've made for ritual.
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With an example being like if you're outdoors and local law
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enforcement police officers, game wardens Park Rangers Etc
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approach, you mid ritual, you know, you guys are doing your
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thing, you're in the middle of it and then you get interrupted
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or someone maybe just passes by you and, you know, speaks to you
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or engages with you in some way in the middle of a ritual.
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And Or any other sort of like spiritual experience, whether it
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be, you know, personal meditation or anything like
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that. Their intent, of course, not
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being to intentionally interrupt you but because of their
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actions, it kind of like breaks the flow of things or like
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interrupts the process. Yeah.
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And so his question is, you know, when someone does that and
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then he even goes to says or someone that does intentionally
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interrupt a ritual or bloat with the intent of doing.
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So now I think If we're going to answer this question, he saying
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about, you know what to do when it happens unintentionally and
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he's also talking about what to do when it is intentional.
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And I think there's two different angles to take on
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that. What do you say?
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What do you do? He said it's never happened to
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him but he kind of wants to be prepared for winter if that
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happens. So Let's I think take it as a
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like let's kind of dissect a little bit and let's let's maybe
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take it for the approach of if it happens unintentionally, what
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would be the appropriate action? And I want to start off with
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dingo with you sharing something about that.
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That we I think talk to a little bit.
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and it was it was my ritual there, and I was in the north
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gate and this property that we were on The north was facing.
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Like the driveway in the road and like it's in the country.
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I think I've driven you by there before if we've gone the back
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way through those lands and yeah for sure but not exactly it's
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not like in the country where I is.
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Where like, there's just Woods you know, like there's a highway
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next to it and all that. So it's not really like
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secluded. It's more kind of like off to
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the side. And we still have no idea who
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this guy was, but I would, I do remember what I was doing that
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night. But concentration was
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immediately broken. And this guy walks up, I want to
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say, you had a white hoodie on me.
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This was like fall somewhere around that time. and, I think
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it was Tyler or Peter maybe I don't remember what name but he
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like he was looking for this guy and he was very obviously at the
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wrong house. I was like mid ritual at the
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north side of the place. And as we had a hinge set up
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there, you know, with the cardinal directions and cross
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quarters, and all of that. And You know, he just walks up
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and he's like, hey, is Peter around or whatever?
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The guys name was and Patrick just walks up holding a ritual
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dagger in his hand, he just stares at the guy coldly and
17:58
blankly. That that tourist look, that
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we've talked about with Patrick, where he just goes like, oh
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yeah, I've seen that look yep. Dude was just like I think I
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have the wrong house. Yeah.
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I'm sorry, it just scared the shit out of him.
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Yeah. Yeah he just turned around and
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saw the situation kind of handled itself in that way.
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Well, with some of your, you know, it's like you had
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something to do about it. But, you know, it wasn't like,
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he quickly realized I am at the wrong place at the wrong time.
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And I'm sorry and he and he made it known like this is what I
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intended for. But so like what happened after
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what happened after that? Like it interrupted the ritual,
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you know? So what do you do?
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You just regroup, right? Yeah.
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We weren't trying that. It's just like, he just walked
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into that City. There was a reason Patrick had
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the athame, like I'm sure he was in that.
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Yeah, he was in that ritual State of Mind to and then you
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know, when a an outsider or outside influence steps in
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unintentionally like that, like it's like, excuse me, you know?
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I mean, His job was to make sure that nothing interferes with
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what I was doing because it was an individual.
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Yeah, for me, we did a lot of that in that group, where we had
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individual work with the others as protection, so to speak.
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So so, yeah, that's really the only time that's ever happened
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to me. I mean, I have a is where I've
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been practicing for ya, even back then, as well, but
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exclusively for a long time now, I think there's something.
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Especially if it's a major ritual, I wouldn't do it in a
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public place. I would do it in a place that
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that will not happen. Yeah, I think you bring up a
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really good point because that's kind of what I was about to say.
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I said, I think there's something to be said about where
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your Sacred Space is. And I know that a lot of modern
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heathens and modern pagans in general, nowadays, find the
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challenge of creating Sacred Space in places where they Don't
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think that they have enough space.
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Some of the you know Suburban heathens I think Eric shervin on
21:06
the Ravens call he did a video about that you know, where
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you're kind of confined to a inner city or an apartment.
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And I mean, I can tell you right now folks like Where I live is
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not very remote by any means, but the space is that have been
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set, right? Yeah.
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I mean, we. Yeah, right.
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So you like, you got an apartment and I live in a house
21:28
that has hey houses next to it. You know, to mobile home.
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And so we're kind of in a, in a similar situation with maybe
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just a little bit less grass, meaning, you, and I, you know
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what I'm saying. But nonetheless, right?
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Sacred Space can be set up. Define to to whatever degree.
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Now when we do go out to like the VA where we're talking about
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here, I'm not going to say out in the woods like that's a
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fortunate part that we have to have.
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It's secluded and set aside to the point where when we're
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there, and when we're doing our thing, nobody If anybody just
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happens to walk up on that, like something seriously wrong, like,
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if you just stumbled across across this out there, like, you
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are seriously lost it, right? Like, you're way out of line.
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So, fortunately, we've not had that to happen either, but I
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feel like what you were saying is like anything major like
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that, find a space, that's secluded, or do something that's
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not public, not in, like, a park, or, or state land or
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something that we're just, anybody could potentially walk
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up because it is It's available to the public and you just don't
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know when you're going to plan to do something when someone
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else might just happen to show up, so it's probably best to
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reserve such activities to be done.
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In space where you are able to, at least control the environment
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because when you talk about whatever, ritual it is, yeah, I
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mean, we could dissect that down to a lot of things.
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You know, what kind of ritual are we talking about here?
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But nonetheless, it's still something that you're entering
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into with the intent and for a purpose.
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And so when, when that are a gets disrupted or when like your
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ritual state of mind, gets interrupted it, does it?
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Shake things up to the point where it's like, well shit.
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Now I gotta start all over again in a way because you don't oh
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yeah. Yeah, I can I can I can I can
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agree with that for sure, you know.
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So you know maybe for the You know, I mean, Patrick and I
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for example, we've done rituals and Radner.
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We went off Trail. You're not supposed to but I
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don't do that kind of thing. If you're doing something
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gravity of gravity, you need a safe space.
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Hmm. And you know like yeah I guess
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to answer that question in our case you know like okay so like
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what if police officer showed up?
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Like where's where's the warrant?
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You're on private property for basically no reason.
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What's the deal? You know.
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Yeah, but I could yeah the situation kind of dictates the
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response in a way or the environment would dictate
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because I feel like you know if you're going to go out to public
24:58
land, right? Whether it's a state Reserve or
25:01
public park or do something like that, I mean you are you're
25:04
opening yourself up to the possibility of anybody and
25:07
everybody approaching you for whatever reason questions,
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right? What are you doing?
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Or, you know like you say if it's state land and your how do
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you even? Yeah and everything but the
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protection side of it is right. Ricky because even if you set
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something up, say that week before, other energies have ya
25:32
scramble through that place, right?
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Is Closed off as you think. Mmm.
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Yeah. And that goes back to really
25:42
some some some really old ways thinking of barriers boundaries
25:48
land, claiming land taking how things were done in in old times
25:52
22 to set those barriers and to set those boundaries because
25:55
even though the concept of like the in and garden Newton Garden
25:59
was, is may not be particularly old ways.
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Even rewrite like it's a pretty modern construct, I think of
26:05
thinking of the This is the outer but the the the way that
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the world views of Artisans were at the time as they had that
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understanding of what's within is safe and sacred and what's
26:16
without is wild and dangerous, like there was that clear
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Villages were set up that way, right there was a fence row.
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There was there was barriers between the in and the out so
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understanding those barriers Yeah, definitely.
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And you know something I don't know but like I think that you
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know, with what's called it works is is asking I think again
26:53
it depends on the situation and depends on the space.
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What I think we're collectively agreeing on right now.
26:58
You and I is you know Reserve like hardcore rituals that are
27:04
of any sort of Any sort of importance Reserve that to space
27:09
that you can control and have some control over even if it's a
27:13
corner of the room or yeah. Even if you don't have outside
27:32
interference, if you're in public, there's that
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distraction. Yeah, it's there's inherent
27:39
exactly. There's so much going on.
27:41
I mean a plane could fly over, you know, just whatever.
27:44
You know, who knows. And So I think that the damn
27:50
dog. Yeah.
27:55
Sound like a donkey that guy. Don Quixote, you know, pipe it
28:08
down. Keep it down over here, you
28:10
know, we're trying to do some things.
28:13
That guy cracks me up, though. He's almost like a staple
28:15
though. It's like it's like that white
28:17
noise. Yeah.
28:18
Background. Do you like I you just over
28:22
here, you know, hollering about whatever, you know,
28:39
which was kind of an evolution of the first one.
28:44
It was active a where we practice now and it was a it was
28:52
some kind of rebirth ceremony and I'm a member of the ins and
28:57
outs of it. I'm not going to name names but
29:03
it was like a minute and a half into it and everybody's in their
29:10
positions. Everything's locked down,
29:13
everything's groovy. Everybody's in this Zone and he
29:19
started his chant, like he was a baby, like, he opened his mouth
29:23
to start saying whatever he was going to say.
29:27
And then the guy next to him, just out of nowhere, you hear.
29:35
Hey, we all passed it out loud. Like ritual was ruined in that
29:40
mode. It's like.
29:40
Did you really just fart at the beginning of my ritual?
29:49
Yeah. So it's not always outside
29:51
interference. It can be inside as well.
29:57
That's comical. Yeah, I did.
29:59
What did you just do? You know?
30:01
We washed. We cleanse.
30:02
We did everything to prepare for this and then you go and break
30:04
wind on us like that. Like come on show some should be
30:12
the new dexterous trackman shitting in the East Gate. it
30:21
sound like a terrible time but uh yeah man so like noise being
30:31
the operative word here you know but noises but noises But
30:43
trumpets, so, yeah. Like I mean unintentional,
30:48
right? It's an accident due to
30:50
accidents happen. Like, I mean, you shit your
30:52
pants in the middle of ritual. Hey, whoops, like it's in a
30:56
similar way. I mean, if you're going to
30:58
venture off into public accessible areas and do anything
31:02
of of a ritualistic nature, like just realize what you're kind
31:05
of, opening yourself up to the possibility of and if it's
31:08
unintentional, And if it's an apologetic, right?
31:11
And then they're inquisitive, you know, maybe it's happening
31:14
for a reason at that point, right?
31:16
Maybe the, maybe the moment wasn't right for you to get into
31:19
that space and now, another open opportunity has opened itself up
31:22
and it's a learning a chance to learn or or, or educate,
31:27
somebody who is inquisitive and who knows what planting that
31:30
seed might lead into for them, or for you, you know?
31:42
Could end up being an integral part of the central.
31:46
It could be like that to realize it.
31:49
But, you know, it could be that that that stray leaf that gets
31:54
blown into the web. And then now all of a sudden it
31:57
gets becomes part of the web. Yeah.
32:13
There was a purpose for that. There was something that you
32:16
couldn't plan for it, just had to be that way.
32:23
Hmm, that's an interesting thing too, is that, you know, the
32:27
interruption might be part of it that you just don't realize.
32:31
It could be the ritual itself. That guy that guy I don't talk
32:39
to him again. One of these days.
32:41
I'll pick a different have a different conversation, but
32:44
yeah. All the Primal, Primal poo.
32:55
Fling in, right? Definitely.
32:59
But so then with like the intentional now that goes into a
33:04
whole other realm of reaction, you know, if somebody like
33:10
intentionally comes up to your space to disrupt.
33:15
The the activities that go on, I mean, you've got other folk, you
33:19
got other things to focus on. Now, at that point, you have to
33:21
deal with an Invader. And I know that what's called.
33:26
It works is talking about are probably of more along the lines
33:33
of physical interruptions, you know, people that sort of thing,
33:40
but does it, but does it, or could it not also The, the
33:46
Unseen and where does the pre ritual ritual, right?
33:53
The setting of Sacred Space, the setting of wards, the sending of
33:55
boundaries the establishing Sacred Space, through specific
34:00
means, you know, if you've done that, you're almost in your
34:04
inhibiting, any nefarious or baleful forces from interfering,
34:10
and if they get past that and what, you know what, you have to
34:15
do with I think, I think it gets more into the metaphysical
34:18
aspects of ritual at that point if something or someone
34:21
intentionally is able to breach Sacred Space for you, then
34:25
there's a there's other things to be focused on aside from just
34:30
the initial Like we got to get rid of, you kind of thing.
34:36
I don't know what you think about that but that's like what
34:37
first comes to mind. Me is like, how did you get in
34:40
to begin with? Refuse to come in side, the
34:54
boundaries during ritual. Because they had that respect.
35:05
For it and almost fear even like reverence in a way.
35:13
Yeah, yeah but also like okay y'all are dealing with some
35:18
really messed up stuff. Yeah I don't want to be a part
35:25
of it. Not that we did anything really
35:29
bad or anything, powerful, heavy energy.
35:33
You know. It wasn't their path.
35:37
It was all groups, Pastor. They were guests and so they
35:43
respected that. Yeah. and I think that's, you
35:49
know, as far as like unwanted interruptions and that kind of a
35:53
thing and like, especially if ill-will is presented, I've
36:01
worked with some people that If it's in a on private property
36:08
secluded and in a Sacred Space that is used often and you come
36:17
in there with L, will you might not be legally, right?
36:22
Right. I mean that's just kind of one
36:26
of those things that may sound terrible, but like, if the
36:29
nature of whatever is going on and, you know, depending on its
36:34
Very situational but it is. Yeah because I mean yeah for
36:38
sure you mean we could be talking about anything from as
36:41
simple as basic as like a you know, an angry ex girlfriend or
36:46
boyfriend or something, just rolling in and being drunk and
36:49
belligerent or you know we could be talking about you know,
36:52
things that. I mean we're talking about
36:55
situational stuff here in the state of Tennessee and you know
36:58
Castle laws of thing and you have every right to defend your
37:00
your keep as it were. So where are they?
37:04
The law touches on stuff like that.
37:06
Like I mean, there there's there's that whole thing as
37:10
well, and a hammer was, that's pretty crazy friends, but the
37:24
ritual was so volatile and why? Yes, chaotic dangerous really is
37:32
yeah, I could do some damage, I could do some literal physical
37:36
damage and That was the, my old old group and they had the henge
37:49
set up and everything and everybody had their gate that
37:52
correspondent with and Ruth sort of the ruler of the warden of
37:57
that gate. And like, say somebody was doing
38:02
a low-key ritual, your gate might get peed on, hmm.
38:09
Yeah, it depends on the ritual, it depends on the location, the
38:14
circumstance of all, you know. But basically there's its
38:19
infinite possibilities on. How to approach that.
38:24
Yeah, like there's almost no one set answer to this kind of
38:28
question because of, again, the situations that we could be
38:31
talking about, potentially talking about, I mean, there's
38:33
probably even stuff that, you know, would venture into the
38:36
realm of II. Don't really want to go there.
38:38
I don't want to talk about that because that's something else,
38:42
you know, entirely. But I think as a general rule,
38:44
right? Like we understand like ritual
38:47
and and and doing anything like stuff.
38:50
Like this is, it's true. It's true.
38:52
For us, you know what I'm saying?
38:53
Like, we're entering a space that is sacred or we're setting
38:56
a space at a circuit. So it you know, for people that
38:59
maybe just aren't unfamiliar with things almost everybody,
39:02
nowadays can can at least relate to, you know, sacred ground.
39:07
You know, you don't do certain things inside of a church or
39:09
whatever and it's there's there's there's some parts of
39:13
this Pagan path that that correlates to that mindset.
39:17
You know, we may not be contained into inside a four
39:19
walls or a building. But this canopy of trees is our
39:25
Cathedral, this mound of stones, is our altar, this Grove or
39:30
whatever is our Sanctuary. It's it.
39:32
There's there's equivalents and there's comparisons that you can
39:34
make. So it's like just don't be It'll
39:38
be an asshole, right? Like it was gonna be respect for
39:42
any person. Yeah, just show respect and you
39:47
know like Midsummer right like don't piss on the ancestral
39:51
tree. It could be very bad for you.
39:54
Yeah. Oh and there's that whole thing
39:57
to write. I mean, like, when you talk
39:58
about, You know, when we when we talked about like, well, what
40:02
can we, you know, what should be done, what action should be
40:04
taking, you may not have to do anything just because of the
40:07
energy that is tied to that land that the things that are
40:10
connected to those roots and that whole system, everything
40:14
around there like anything that comes ill against that they
40:17
could just be doing it to themselves.
40:19
And they may find themselves in a pretty bad situation
40:22
themselves for doing something like that.
40:24
You may not have to actively respond in any sort of way.
40:27
It's like, well, you dug your own grave at that.
40:30
Point for disrupting something sacred right?
40:32
Like that's a thing that's a thing too I feel so people have
40:39
respect to inside people. Make sure everything's secure.
40:47
Yeah you know and that's a large part and that's what I love.
41:03
Security checks, and that's what I've Loved about.
41:25
You don't want to bring that Madness into a public place.
41:29
And if you do it right, You're not going to be in the right
41:32
headspace, you know, unlike say, a police officer shows up.
41:36
If you're doing that ritual correctly, You don't care who or
41:42
what they are, you may just attack, right?
41:46
And you can ruin your whole life.
41:48
You could end your own life, you know, I mean, So I guess that
41:54
would be my biggest thing on a practicing level of.
42:01
You have to make sure where you are, is safe and protected.
42:07
Period. I would concur with that.
42:12
Sure, sure. And that's one of the greatest
42:15
things about that. I love with our space, you know,
42:19
and in the space that I become, you know, our VA is we don't
42:25
just, you know, plan something, whether it be, you know, an
42:28
annual like I've been, I've been talking about in some of the
42:30
previous episodes about Seger blow coming up next month.
42:34
We're not just rolling up in there that Friday night and
42:38
doing rich. The way over, we're actually
42:40
going out ahead of time this coming weekend, right?
42:43
So in this podcast errors, in a few days from now, we're going
42:46
out there to not just prepare the land physically, but to
42:51
prepare it for what's to come like we're doing our pre ritual
42:55
ritual. And that's what I love about it
42:57
is that we have that methodology behind it.
43:00
We don't just roll in there and be like oh, it's that time of
43:02
year again, let's just do it. Like we go in there and we we
43:06
first of all reacquaint ourselves with the vator R that
43:09
are there because it's intermittent, at least the time
43:13
for a lot of us to be there. Maybe not so much you but it's
43:15
very intermittent when I'm there, and we're so much.
43:21
Yeah, exactly. So it's almost like you have to
43:23
be like knock on the door when you come and be like, hey guys
43:25
remember me? You know, like I'm here again,
43:28
it's like familiar, but also recognizing that it is ever
43:32
changing, right? Yep.
43:37
Yeah, out there for what? 30 34 years now, exactly.
43:46
So I mean, whenever I approach that space, I always do so with
43:52
an and I'm and I'm a welcome presence there, you know, but I
43:55
always go in there as like, kind of just cautionary is like, it's
43:59
me again, you know? Remember me, you know, kind of
44:02
like when you see an old dog, right?
44:03
That you haven't seen for. I let him sniff around
44:06
reacquaint themselves with the The scent, you know, that sort
44:09
of thing. And that's that's what I love
44:11
about our R Group. Yeah.
44:16
Yeah. What about you?
44:20
There's something about you. Oh yeah, you know, and So when
44:25
you know, when you're dealing with stuff like that, like
44:27
that's a whole different Dynamic.
44:28
You know, we're talking something about very we're
44:31
actually talking some about something, very specific to our
44:35
tribal practices and that has actually something that has
44:37
grown very organically for us, but it has become something that
44:42
we've adopted as our, you know, tribal tradition.
44:47
And that may not be the same thing for the next person or the
44:50
next people that listen or watch or think about it.
44:52
But something to consider, you know, don't just don't just
44:56
approach ritual as as anything Cavalier, right, approach it
45:00
with the right mentality of reverence and recognizing that
45:05
you are trying to connect with the sacred.
45:07
It's not about the spirits that that exists within you and the
45:11
profane when you, when you engage in any sort of ritual
45:14
with the sacred like that's that's on another level of
45:16
thing. And connecting with that energy.
45:20
Take some dedicated and diligent and and methodical work.
45:25
I feel absolutely, you know, it's it's yeah, and that 30
45:50
minutes by the time you get to that point.
45:54
It's almost just like ceremonial like, yeah, it's almost
45:58
irrelevant. Yeah, because it's about that
46:02
two-year process. Yeah, putting yourself in that
46:05
mindset and preparing, whatever you need your tools, or the land
46:10
or whatever. Your mind make the mentality.
46:15
Yeah. And like things will happen to
46:17
you if you're preparing a ritual for that long, a time that end
46:24
up affecting it, different are things, you didn't expect, you
46:28
know, it's not at all unlike he talked about that trois earlier,
46:33
you know, the First album. The song Earth that took me
46:44
about he was nine months to mix and I mean almost daily.
46:53
But there are like 17 layers. You know, and it took so much
46:59
time to match up those frequencies and work with it and
47:04
it consumed my life for a good part.
47:07
And like I had like Yeah, I had to make sure everything was
47:13
lined up perfectly on those frequencies, or it didn't come
47:16
out, like, I needed it to sound. You know, and it's it does, it
47:21
takes a lot of work. It takes that nitpicking, it's
47:24
not something. It's never ever anything that
47:26
just happens, instantly off the cuff.
47:30
Yeah, I mean for so much of my, like qarth Colt, what I would
47:35
call my Hearth cult rituals, you know, even the very basic of
47:41
things the or the most basic, or what might seem the most basic
47:44
of things. I do a lot of resin burning, you
47:48
know, smoke sessions. Stuff.
47:50
And even the simplest thing of preparing the resin, you know,
47:56
picking out what I want to use, combining it placing it in the
48:01
item that I'm going to burn it. Like, it's all very ritualistic
48:04
for me, you know, I might even sing a song or make up a little
48:09
chant or something along the way to like, In my own way, you
48:14
know, make those items that are just by themselves just simply
48:19
resin, you know, but that have no.
48:24
What you want to call Magic, whatever tied tied to them are
48:27
tested to them, but, you know, breathing that life into them,
48:30
what we're doing that thing, whatever it might be, you know,
48:32
whether it's a dance or a song, or a drum, or rattle or
48:35
something, right. It's like there's elements of
48:39
that in any sort of ritual, I feel and with us at the VA, you
48:44
know, cutting the wood clearing the land, walking the property
48:50
doing the things that we do like that.
48:52
At to me at every point in time that we've done it as always
48:55
been pivotal for the ritual that leads up to and like you say it
48:58
at that point, like when you actually go do the thing, it's
49:00
just ceremony. There are feels more like
49:03
ceremony, at that point because the, the actual ritual of it has
49:07
been lived through, you know, leading up to and including that
49:10
point. We did the Wicker, man.
49:24
And we had beef stew and everybody.
49:30
Stirred the stew. Yeah, before it was eaten.
49:35
Everybody had some kind of role in meal prep, cutting the wood,
49:43
everyone placed. A branch or log in the Wicker
49:50
man. Everyone held on to it when we
49:52
were lashing it together to make sure that it would hold up, long
49:56
enough to learn everyone puts something in and that's part of
50:02
the ritual. That's one of the most important
50:04
parts of natural. Is everyone putting their energy
50:09
into one place. Yeah.
50:11
And actually remembering that that was a singer bloke that was
50:14
siga blow. That was last year's there.
50:16
Yeah, because for Freire. Yeah, we did the fair, man.
50:19
The prayer wicker, man. Yeah, yeah, yep.
50:26
Beagle, the cool yawns is they say, you know.
50:31
Yep. Yep, yep.
50:34
Yep, yep. Got the cojones in the Frijoles
50:39
and all the all the Ole's I guess, you know werewolves you
50:43
know everything so yeah. Yeah, that was I remember that.
50:47
And that was that was a very you know, important part of that was
50:53
just how much everybody like you your literal everyone's literal
50:56
hands were on it or part of it. And that's that's significant,
51:00
you know, that's significant. And when you put that much
51:05
Energy into something. And when you dedicate that much
51:07
of the time and effort into something, it's like, you know,
51:11
you've set the standard at that point, you set the expectation.
51:14
And, you know, you're going to be hard pressed to find anything
51:18
that can interrupt or disturb that because of it's because
51:20
it's such strong energy. Oh yeah.
51:41
Yeah, there's times when all of that is important and there's
51:44
times when those when those roles are identified and
51:48
recognized and then there's other times where it's like you
51:53
throw that shit out the window and you just live and you just
51:56
exist and you just be people with each other, you just share
52:00
it and tie that weird together and you are folk, you know what
52:03
I mean? You are the people.
52:05
And I think that's huh. Yeah, it's almost like One
52:15
Singular entity as a tribe. Yeah.
52:19
Yeah, the roots just kind of grew in and around and the vines
52:23
reached around and everything, just became Collective.
52:26
And one, at that point, it didn't matter who it was or what
52:29
they were called, because everybody does the things we
52:34
didn't own by lingo by name, you know what I mean?
52:36
Like, names were very surface level, like you have needs that,
52:41
you know, we were just him over there and that guy and, you
52:45
know, Yep, you over there? Now they did it felt very
52:59
organic and it felt very natural.
53:00
And that's that's another great point.
53:02
I think as we as we get close to wrapping things up on the
53:05
podcast today is ritual is methodical.
53:09
And ritual does have a process to whatever to follow, but it
53:14
shouldn't be something that you force.
53:16
And if you're in an area that you're almost forced to be so
53:21
Vigilant about the outside world, that you can't focus on
53:24
what you're doing, then is that In the right place in the right
53:27
space to do it in you know and and then maybe re-evaluate or
53:32
rethink your approach, the ritual at that point and
53:36
conserve your efforts to be something that is you know
53:41
isolated and reserved to the space that you can have some
53:45
governance over to preserve that sacredness because it is its
53:51
sacred. It's its Sacred Space.
53:55
So, yeah. Well, you know and even like
54:00
Look at my parents place, you know, like they're not a part of
54:06
our rituals, but as far as their award though they are, my dad is
54:16
even said like when Kai ago and I go camping out there.
54:19
You know, guys like I'm scared that somebody bad is going to
54:24
come back and get us and our tent, and my dad said they're
54:28
going to get have to get Me first baby.
54:32
Yes, exactly. You ain't got to worry about
54:37
that kiyah. You know, I can hear your dad
54:38
saying they're not a part of the ritual but they are.
54:42
Yeah, they have a they have a role absolutely.
54:55
And that's a beautiful thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
55:04
It's definitely nothing. That's, you know, casual or
55:06
Cavalier about it. I mean, and I think maybe that
55:10
that is something else to consider is If there's nothing
55:15
just happenstance with when it comes to Ritual, right?
55:18
Like sometimes you just feel in the moment to do something at a
55:22
certain space at a certain time and you you can't always control
55:24
that but for anything that's like structured ordered planned
55:27
in that sort of way like playing it the right way.
55:29
Do the do the thing and get it too.
55:32
Occur in a space that you have that that level of control and
55:37
somewhat over. So I hope that that you know for
55:40
skull that works thank you again for writing in and and asking
55:44
that really thought-provoking question and you know, for
55:48
anybody. Yeah it really is.
55:50
I think, you know, because a lot of folks out here that listen
55:52
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Inspire you to live your own experiences.
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I think that's something good to hope.
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