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Brett Keane Talks God and Human Computers · Brett Keane and Eve Show

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None. Hello, ladies and gentlemen.
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My name is Brett Keene and you are watching and listening to
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the Brett Keene Show. I hope you're all having a
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blessed day out there. Has any of you ever heard of the
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theory that humans resemble computers and philosophy of
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mind? The Computational Theory of Mind
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CTM, also known as compilationism, is a family of
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views that hold that human mind is an information processing
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system and that cognition and consciousness together are a
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form of computation. That's right.
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That is believed about the brain and mind.
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It's an extremely popular theory among scientists and
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philosophers. When scientists to go into labs
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or they do experiments or they're working on humans or
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studying us or researching us or investigating us, they also go
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in. They always go in with the
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concept that we are like machines and computers.
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And when you're dealing with machines and computers, you
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can't just put random chemicals into the machine in order to get
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results. The only results you're going to
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get one out of a millionth to the 10th power is you're going
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to destroy your machine. Even if you take Catholic holy
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water and throw it on the computer, it's not going to
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resolve a lot of the issues in it.
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Aha. See what I I did there.
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Well, ladies and gentlemen, why is it that we're like computers?
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And then we'll get into a lot of different philosophical points
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on this? Well, first of all, we run on
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power like a lot of computers do.
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All of them, actually. Whether it's in your phone,
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whether the computer is set up in your console or your video
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game machine or your PC or laptop, or, you know, your IBM,
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Dell, whatever the case might be.
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It all requires power. It all requires some kind of
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energy source in order for it to be able to function.
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Now on top of this, it also has a lot of processors and a lot of
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machinery and and things where it's not enough for it just to
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be able to put information on the screen, but the machine
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actually has to have some kind of understanding.
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For example, when you go to do a Google search, unless the
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information's already there, it's obviously not going to be
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found as it if you Google something and that thing does
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not exist, 9 times out of 10 you're not going to find the
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information. So the computer as well as its
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connection through the Internet, it requires the information
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already to be there and instilled within its system in
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order for it to be transcribed and then communicated back to
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us. And that's exactly the way the
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human brain and human mind actually work.
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The information has to be there first or you'll come off
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incoherent. Or you'll simply be Dead Space
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quiet or silent. There's a a great deal of things
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that are going on in our bodies, ladies and gentlemen, that we're
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still learning about. The human brain and the human
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mind is so expansive and so there's so many things going on,
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so many wheels and spokes being turning in order to make all
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these things work. Computers are a lot like humans
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as well, where you can't just put like cheap parts here and
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then some junk here and then leave something loose over here.
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Everything has to be finely tuned within a computer, or
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you're going to have lag. You're going to have it
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breakdown, you're going to have it be destroyed.
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You can't use parts from certain type of computers on this, just
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like you can't take computer parts out of a machine and then
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put them into a human and back, because humans are biological or
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organic. However, we are still computers.
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We just come in a different format and a different
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structure. We reserve information in our
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hard drive. We have a hard drive where we
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keep all the information along our brain archives, things it
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files like a system, all that. Richard Dawkins himself, a lot
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of atheists, they also hold to this theory as well.
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They don't just hold to the theory of The Big Bang or the
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theory of evolution. Now keep in mind, ladies and
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gentlemen, is this actually true?
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Because it has the word theory behind it.
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According to scientists recently the universe is now supposedly
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30 billion years old as opposed to 16 point billion years old.
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The moon has recently quadrupled an age according to science.
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So now this will mean, because a lot of scientists out there
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believe that the moon actually exists because of the Earth
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breaking off a piece and then creating the moon off in the
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distance, that the Earth will probably go from 4.5 billion
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years old to quadruple the times keep on changing and expanding.
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And this is happening because of new technology and us being able
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to perceive more about our universe than we've ever seen or
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known before. It's extraordinary.
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But I do want to point out that a lot of atheists, whenever you
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see the word theory behind something, you automatically
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assume that that's fact or that's evidence.
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A lot of you, you say it's a fact, it's a fact of something.
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And it seems like as long as that theory is very popular, it
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becomes more and more of a fact for you.
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It's like you you just add more cereal into your bowl and it
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becomes more cereal. Like whenever it's like that,
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that's the way your brain works. Unfortunately, a theory is just
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something that explains to you what scientists think possibly
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could have happened. And then they give you reasons
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why they think that this may have happened this way.
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A long time ago it used to be explained that the universe
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exploded into existence. Nowadays there are scientists
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who are saying, well, it didn't exactly explode, it expanded.
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The words are changing. The process of everything is all
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changing. In order to try to describe how
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things happened, for a while there, a lot of people used to
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believe that the universe was eternal and simply went on
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forever. That was actually a theory that
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an atheist came up with and it got debunked.
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It was something to do with like the state, the flat state theory
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of the universe, something like that.
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And that too was called the theory, but it was debunked by
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Stephen Hawking. But who did not originally come
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up with the idea that the universe had a beginning.
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Now, why is it important to be able to acknowledge all this?
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Well, I wanted to do something for you.
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I wanted to show you what an actual fact is about us and our
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biology. If I were to tell you that a
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house exploded or it expanded out, like all of a sudden some
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strange pressure got itself into a building and then the building
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just kind of pushed itself out like jello or exploded with
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flames and heat and magma and all this kind of stuff, would
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you suspect at all? But let's say it got hit by
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lightning or a tornado got inside of it and the pieces went
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flying in every different direction.
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If I were to tell you that because of that expansion of
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that building and all those parts that somehow it put
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together a mind or a brain or a living sentient being was the
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result of it, you would probably, if you were not an
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atheist, think that I was absolutely nuts for making such
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a claim, right? And let's say that the atheists
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were to be right, that it's possible for something to
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explode, or something to implode or out plode, whatever you want
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to call it, and the pieces somehow twisted themselves into
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some kind of script, as though some kind of software
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information from a computer were to explode.
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And then the information somehow grafted itself together and
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actually created some coherent language with information that
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would then somehow one day become like an AI or sky net
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where it becomes alive, let's say, let's see, let's go along
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with that science fiction that atheists believe in and say that
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that's possible to happen. Well, the one thing is, is that
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I think that you would all agree, even the atheist, if he
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can wrap his head around this philosophy and logic is, is that
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if the material that constricted and then engraved itself into
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each other was capable of turning into a mind, then you
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would have to ask yourself, Well then that means that whatever
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was in the building before that did the explosion must have had
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the properties of having whatever it took for a mind to
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exist in the 1st place or a life we've always seen.
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Ladies and gentlemen, when we look at life, life has always
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according to the rules and the laws of the universe.
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The only way another life form can come into existence is from
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another life form. Now immediately before the
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atheist starts pounding his head like a fucking ape that hasn't
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had a banana for a while. You need to think about this
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within the laws of the universe. It has always been life giving
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life to life, never any other kind of way.
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It's never been abiogenesis, never been spontaneous
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generation, none of these things.
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That's the way it's always been now.
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Something that exists outside the universe would not have the
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same kind of laws, treatment. Something that is outside of our
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universe, or in a multiverse, or in a realm where there is no
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time and space is not going to have the same kind of
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restrictions and constrictions. That's the reason why God has
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perks. That's the reason why the
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concept of a higher power has the perks to be able to do it
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because it's not constrained by the universe that came forth
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from it. Does that make sense?
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Of course it does. Anybody with a logical, rational
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mind would get it. But here's the catch, ladies and
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gentlemen. Even if we were to suggest that
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there was no arsonist or there was no igniter or there was no
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initiation, that the building simply was there and it was
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inanimate and didn't have the ability to think or whatever, we
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would have to conclude that the energy and the impact and the
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result of whatever the material was originally that started the
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explosion already had the recipe for life in it.
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It already had to have whatever it took.
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Basically what I'm saying is, if you were to have a bowl of cake
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mix and an explosion happened and little pieces of this cake
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mix ended up baking itself throughout the universe and
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becoming little tiny cakes, well, it would have had to come
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from something that had cake properties before that.
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Does that make sense? Like if the universe was made
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out of a big ball of silver and it exploded, you would expect
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remnants of silver pieces all over the place.
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Like if you have confetti and you were to blow up a bowl of
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confetti, then you would expect that everything would be
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partially confetti or whatever material was in the bowl.
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So what did we get from our expansion of the universe and
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our explosion? We got life, We got sentience,
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we got organic biological computers that are walking
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around, communicating with each other, responding to stimuli,
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the ability to feel joy and pain and do all these things.
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So logically you would have to say that wherever the sources
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that all this life came from, there would have also been life,
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or at least the material in the recipe for it.
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Now the question is that you have to ask yourself why?
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Why would have that life been there to begin with?
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Why would have everything that came out of the bowl of confetti
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had all this material in the 1st place?
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And why is it that it was able to graft itself and ingrain
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itself and become the organic creatures that we see all around
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us? From ourselves, from the
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animals, all that, it seems very clearly to me that we are
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designed. If I were to give you a piece of
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paper right now that had the smallest Bible verse in the
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world, the smallest Bible verse in the world, the shortest
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sentence is Jesus wept in the New Testament.
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If I were to hand you this piece of paper with that, those words
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in any language, and I ask you right now, could have that
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little piece of note paper or Kleenex that that is written on
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created itself, you wouldn't be able to make an argument for
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that. It has to be those words Jesus
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wept. Is 2 words something that
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communicates an idea. When you see the words Jesus
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wept, you immediately get a visualization of Jesus Christ
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crying. Your brain is going to tell your
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entire body what it is that is talking about, and it's going to
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go back in its memory banks and it's going to go through its
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archives and you're going to get a full picture.
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Hundreds of thousands of images are going to race through your
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head just by those two words, Jesus wept.
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It's going to mean something to you that's going to be coherent,
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and it's something that you would be able to share with
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other computers and those computers would understand.
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You could share it with an AI or an artificial intelligence, and
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the artificial intelligence will be able to explain to you why
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Jesus wept, what happened and what was going on during that
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time. The point is, ladies and
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gentlemen, that information had to already be available, and
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we're getting the pieces of it where the pieces of the puzzle
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that were created from this explosion or expansion or
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whatever you want to call it. And there's no way that you can
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argue under any circumstances. There's never been a time where
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an explosion or an expansion ever happened, where anything
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coherent ever came out of it. In fact, usually when things
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explode or they expand, they disintegrate everything around
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them. The universe, if it's true that
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whenever it went through this explosion or expansion, whatever
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you want to call it, everything would have been suffering what
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is called heat death. If the energy and the power was
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so powerful and so hot, everything would have been
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basically not just destroyed, but it would have ended up
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becoming like hard charcoal. It would have basically wiped
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itself out. However, if you've got a
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processing unit and you've got a outlook and a generator type of
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system that can actually process that energy and transform it, be
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able to manipulate where the energy goes and how it should be
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distributed, then you might be able to actually come up with
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that. But things like that, machines
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like that, and those type of functions come from a mind.
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Let me ask you all something. Do you believe that in order for
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a scientist to be able to experiment on something, do you
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believe in order for a scientist to be able to study something
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and come up with the results that that thing has to be
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mathematically coherent. It has to be something that
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you'd be able to use physics and math and measurements with in
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order to be able to understand. In doing so, you would have to
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conclude that whatever it is that a scientist is studying has
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to be rational and logical. If it's insane, if it's chaotic,
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then you're not going to be able to find any kind of consistent
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pattern, and therefore you won't be able to come up with an
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answer or the information about such thing because it's so alien
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to you and so incoherent and so mathematically disastrous.
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You wouldn't be able to ever come up with some kind of
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equation or answer to it unless it had consistent patterns to
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it. Does that make sense?
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It's the same way for simple layman terms.
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If you went into a room and you see a mess on the ground, you're
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not going to be able to think anything differently.
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But this is a mess, and that mess won't do anything for you.
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But if you go into a room where you see an organized computer,
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you'll be able to know exactly what you're looking at, and you
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will sooner or later be able to study it long enough before you
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understand what its purpose and function is.
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But you can't do that with a mess.
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It has to already be rational and logical.
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It has to already make sense for you in order to have answers for
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it. Kind of like some of you use
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lives out there, right? If your life is a mess, you
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won't be able to make sense of it.
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Not until you start going down a road where everything starts
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making sense and you start making common sense, rational
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decisions on your life. Nothing makes sense until you do
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that right? So again, we have to go back to
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the beginning. We have to look at ourselves.
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There's a reason why Christian say look in the mirror and
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you'll be able to see the miracle because you have these
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things. That means that all the parts
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that were required in order to make you already existed in the
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beginning of time, space and matter.
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If you're willing to say it was because of the beginning, source
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why it is that you function as you do.
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The reason why you're alive and the reason why you're watching
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my video right now is because of this.
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Then you also have to logically and rationally state that in the
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beginning there was something alive.
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There was something that had a mind.
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There was something that had an essence.
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There was something that was capable of transforming matter.
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There was something that was outside of time and space,
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therefore making it eternal. And that thing would be called
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God. That's what Christians believe
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in. That's what Muslims believe in.
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That's what pagans believe in. Every religion out there that
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believes in an all powerful God or admissions or omnipresent has
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to believe that God is not constricted by time.
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There are some people out there that are called pantheists, that
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actually believe that God is the entire universe and that we live
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in a simulation. Believe it or not, ladies and
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gentlemen, that's actually very possible.
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It's very possible to be a Christian pantheist and believe
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that God is in all things because he is all things that we
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could actually be like the dream that is going, that we are his
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thought processes, that we are small mechanical spokes inside
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of this gigantic computer. Some people would call that the
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Matrix. I don't know if God's a
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computer, though. It seems to me that if we're
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computers and we're technological, and we have life
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in the mind, then God too has to be the grand source of
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everything. He has to be the power source of
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all of it. That keeps it going.
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Now I'm going to throw one last thing at you before I end this
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video. Some of you out there you have
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argued as though God is some mean old grandpa that hangs out
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in the sky that hits his children with a cane.
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Let me ask you something. When you are on your computer,
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how many times have you taken files or scripts are things that
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are sitting on your desktop or in a folder that you no longer
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want or find no use for? How many times have you
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uninstalled information? How many times have you thrown
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things away that didn't turn out to be the way you wanted them
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to? How many times have you
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downloaded software from the Internet and it turned out not
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to do what you wanted? Or it wanted to try to create
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viruses that you didn't ask for or spam you?
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So you took that information and you threw it into your recycling
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bin, which is basically your computer's version of a trash
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can. That trash can ends up after you
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hit delete. It disintegrates the information
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that breaks it up and mush, basically numbered mush.
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And then it sends the information off and it scraps
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it. But there's always, because it's
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a computer, it can't just make the information disappear.
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What it has to do is it stores it in a broken down version,
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where it's smaller and more compressed, where you simply
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don't see it. That's why usually computers
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have to be upgraded and the reason why they created cloud
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systems and all this. So the information, although
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broken down and broken down to incoherency, all that mess can
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be sent somewhere like a dump. They call it APC dump, a
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computer dump. Did you know that everything
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you've ever thrown away, it's still there?
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And if somebody was intelligent enough, they would be able to
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actually put that information back together and actually
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figure out what it was you were throwing away.
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The government's capable of doing it.
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So now that you know all that, you're probably asking yourself,
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right, why do you bring this up? Well, if we are organic
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biological computer stuff and God decides that he has a folder
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on the right side of his desktop called Scripts and codes and
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information I want to protect and save.
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But he's got that trash can on the left up in this top left
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hand corner and he throws stuff away.
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Is that a moral? Is it evil?
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Now you're probably asking why would it be evil for?
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Because if God perceives us as code and script and a part of
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his matrix or simulation, and he decides that some of us have
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become redundant, are we become a virus?
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Are we become a meme or something that is causing the
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rest of the process to be slowed or delayed, or causing damage to
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other software that he's created?
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Would it be considered evil if he took a lot of you and threw
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you in the recycling bin and then had you basically crushed
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down in the powdered information that is sent off into the ether
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or ether? No.
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You know some people, they've asked how can God do free will
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if he knows everything? If God is able to look down on
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us like a computer, how can it be possible for us to make our
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own choices? It has to be determinism, right?
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We're all predetermined to do. If we are software and we are
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programmed to respond and react certain ways, doesn't that mean
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that God knows our future and our beginning?
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That's where compatibilism comes in, ladies and gentlemen.
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It means that some things can be predetermined and there is also,
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within the parameters, the ability to have free will.
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I'll explain it like this. If any of you have ever done
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this, you can go out and purchase or even get the free
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base game version of The Sims. It's a game about animated
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people that you're able to control.
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Or you can give them free will and allow them run around in a
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city and town and make relationships, get married, have
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children, all this. You can sit there the whole
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time. And because of the way the HUD
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and the framework and UI is set up, the interface, you can see
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what they're thinking because it actually puts these little
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thought bubbles up where you know what they're going to do
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next. But at any time you're able to
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close out of it and sometimes the script changes and they
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decide they want to do something else.
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And you can watch and watch and you'll know what they're doing.
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But unless you make them do it, you're not making anybody do
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anything. The script is doing what it
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wants to do, and it's been programmed with 100 million
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different ideas of what it wants to do.
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So it has an unbelievable amount, almost a finite concept,
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of what it can do. However, the system is set up
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with predetermined priorities. Sometimes the SEM has to take a
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pest, sometimes has to take a dump, sometimes it wants to have
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sex, sometimes it doesn't want to go to work that day.
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And it's up to the priority system if the SEM can do it and
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what the mathematical equation is of what it is and its mood
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state, if it's going to do something or respond properly to
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it. And of course they also die.
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Eventually, too much information stacks up and the character goes
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bye bye and the other Sims and the simulation actually mourn
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the loss of their data and information that they once
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considered a person that they loved.
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That's how all that's possible. Display The Sims one of these
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days, ladies and gentlemen, and you'll be able to see how it's
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possible for these creatures to be able to run around, do what
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they want to, while at the same time you're able to sit outside
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of space and time and matter outside your computer screen and
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watch everything that happens and decide to intervene or get
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involved whenever you want to. If you think about life like
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that, that God is on the outside of the computer looking in, then
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you'll understand that although you're important to him, he can
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just as easily just put you in the trash can.
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This isn't really a matter of the kind of love that you
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imagine. His love is a different kind of
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love than yours. There are games, and there are
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things that you like on your computer that you love.
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Some of you will even say, I can't live without my Internet.
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I love the Internet, you know? But you delete things all the
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time, don't you? You get rid of things and you
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forget about things. Or you simply archive things,
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and they become so deeply packed into your archive you don't even
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really think about them anymore until you're reminded of it from
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through somebody else vicariously.
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So is it wrong when you hear somebody say, why does God
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delete information? Why does God put things into the
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computer's wood chipper and let it tear away like that for Or
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why does God let some software run?
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Why does some software work and function better than other
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software? These are the kind of questions
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you're asking, but in no way can you actually say that the person
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who's doing the computer behind the desktop is a evil person.
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No more than you can call someone evil in World of
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Warcraft whenever their character dies or their avatar,
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because that's all it is. It's just an organic biological
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machine. And according to atheists, we're
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nothing more than chemicals anyway.
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We're nothing more than pixels on the screen.
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The only reason why we have value is because the developer
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said so. Do you get that a lot of
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atheists say I don't need, I don't need the developer in
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order to have value. Well, that's like a a SIM
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character on a screen saying I'm important, I'm valuable.
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Yeah, Why? Why are you valuable for the
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only reason you exist is because you were scripted to exist.
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You were thought up. Someone came up with you.
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If they didn't, you don't really have any kind of value.
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You do some neat tricks, you roll over like a dog and you
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bark and you play dead. But that's all you're really
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that's really the only kind of value you have.
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And that kind of value doesn't do nothing for the other pixel
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characters. And it sure as hell doesn't do
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anything for the developer, unless that's what his purpose
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was. To see you roll over and play
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dead or bark for him, or beg. You see, you can love something
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and you can love someone, but there are different forms of
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love. There's the love you have for
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your children, there's a love you have for your parents, and
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there's a love that you have for your God.
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And God has different forms of the way He loves us as well.
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It just so happens that this God loves us so much that he
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intervenes a lot and he also becomes a part of the system.
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That way he can fully be able to understand what we're doing and
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for us to be able to understand him.
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It's beautiful, kind of think of it as God using VR, you know?
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You know, those machines that people put on their eyes and
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then they appeared to it gives them the sense that they're
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walking through the world now. That's God for you.
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He's the upgraded VR system. Alright ladies and gentlemen, I
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hope you enjoyed the video. If you would like to come in our
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Friday 7:00 PM Central and argue with me about this stuff or have
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an open discussion, I'd be happy to.