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URGENT: LITTLE CHARLOTTE, 9, MISSING FROM BIKE RIDE · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, every parent's worst nightmare. We
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  Speaker 1: are asking for your help. We desperately need your help.
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  Speaker 1: A nine year old little girl out on a camping
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  Speaker 1: trip with her family, goes for one more loop around
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  Speaker 1: the campground with her bike, and now she's missing. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
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  Speaker 1: with us here at Fox Nation and series XM one eleven.
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  Speaker 1: Where is Little Charlotte?
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  Speaker 2: Listen an urgent search for a nine year old girl
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  Speaker 2: who went missing from a New York state park while
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  Speaker 2: camping with her family.
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  Speaker 3: The day turned into every parent's nightmare.
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  Speaker 2: Official say, Charlotte Senna simply vanished from Moroe Lake State
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  Speaker 2: Park north of Albany. She was lasting Saturday, riding bikes
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  Speaker 2: with friends. Around dinner time.
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  Speaker 3: She's finally go around one more time by herself.
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  Speaker 1: Be that big girl, do it by herself.
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  Speaker 2: When she hadn't return fifteen minutes later.
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  Speaker 1: Her parents knew immediately something was up. Just fifteen minutes,
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  Speaker 1: that's all it took for this beautiful girl to seemingly
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  Speaker 1: vanish on the face of the earth. You were hearing
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  Speaker 1: from our friends at ABC. Now take a listen to
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  Speaker 1: w RGB six what was.
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  Speaker 4: Supposed to be a fun fall weekend has turned into
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  Speaker 4: a nightmare for the family of nine year old Charlotte Senna.
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  Speaker 5: She is a blonde, adorable, little nine year old girl
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  Speaker 5: with bangs. She has green eyes, just under five feet tall,
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  Speaker 5: and she is just a sweet, adorable girl.
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  Speaker 4: Charlotte and friends went for a bike ride around Loop A,
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  Speaker 4: where their cabin is located. Charlotte went for one last
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  Speaker 4: ride by herself before heading back. After fifteen minutes she
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  Speaker 4: hadn't returned.
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  Speaker 1: Guys with me an all star panel to make sense
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  Speaker 1: of what we know right now, but joining us in
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  Speaker 1: the midst of the search and all of the confusion
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  Speaker 1: and the chaos surrounding the search for this little girl
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  Speaker 1: just nine years old. Charlotte's aunt is with us, Janey Senna,
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  Speaker 1: Miss Senna, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you so much, Nancy for you know, bringing attention
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  Speaker 6: to what's going on with Charlotte.
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  Speaker 1: Guys, the tip line five one eight four five seven
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  Speaker 1: sixty eight eleven repeat five one eight four five seven
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  Speaker 1: six eight one one, there is time to bring little
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  Speaker 1: Charlotte home. I'm trying to understand what happened, but I
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  Speaker 1: got to tell you, Miss Senna that when I heard
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  Speaker 1: the story and realized what had happened, I've done the
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  Speaker 1: same exact thing. We are v in camp a lot,
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  Speaker 1: and the last time we took an RV trip all
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  Speaker 1: the way across the country to the Tetons. Whenever we
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  Speaker 1: go to an RV camp, my son and says, did
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  Speaker 1: we bring his bike? And he was just a year
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  Speaker 1: or two older than Charlotte, and he wanted to ride
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  Speaker 1: all the way around the loop of the RV camp
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  Speaker 1: or the campground every single night. And I would go
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  Speaker 1: out and follow him, but on bike he would be,
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  Speaker 1: you know, out of my site, but I would know
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  Speaker 1: he wasn't that far right.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, And the proximity of where her where she was,
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  Speaker 6: if you could see it, you would it's so close,
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  Speaker 6: I mean it's it would it was visible to with
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  Speaker 6: our campsite. So that's what's so crazy about this.
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  Speaker 1: You're saying that her course, that Charlotte was riding on
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  Speaker 1: her bike the whole time, was visible from the campsite,
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  Speaker 1: not if.
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  Speaker 6: She came around the other side of the loop, because
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  Speaker 6: it's one way. They actually have one way signs that
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  Speaker 6: go around, So if she was on the other side, no,
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  Speaker 6: But where they where she was left and last scene
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  Speaker 6: and where they found her bike was visible.
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  Speaker 1: That just doesn't make any sense. I'm not saying right
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  Speaker 1: that what you're saying is incorrect, saying how did this happen?
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  Speaker 6: Right?
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  Speaker 1: And when you're saying, okay, I'm trying to envision is
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  Speaker 1: it cabins are tense.
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  Speaker 6: It's tense, but a lot of people have those, like
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  Speaker 6: pop up I guess campers they call them, you know,
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  Speaker 6: the little one.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So there's a big gripping of them, and then
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  Speaker 1: there is the loop that goes around that. Is that right?
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  Speaker 7: Yes?
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  Speaker 6: So, And like I said, it's actually has one way signs,
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  Speaker 6: so you can only drive, you know, because cars can drive,
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  Speaker 6: you can really drive one way around it. And this
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  Speaker 6: was during dinner time where everybody was out on their site.
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  Speaker 6: It was seventy five degree beautiful day, wasn't dark yet
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  Speaker 6: quite dark yet there it is cut into the middle
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  Speaker 6: of a forest with giant so granted, as the sun
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  Speaker 6: starts to come down, it gets a little darker faster
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  Speaker 6: than other places perhaps, but it wasn't dark yet. Everybody
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  Speaker 6: was out and about and that's what's so crazy about it, guys.
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  Speaker 1: You were hearing Janey Senna. This is Charlotte's joining us again.
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  Speaker 1: Five one eight four five seven six eight one one,
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  Speaker 1: Miss Senna. I'm trying to give everyone a visual this
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  Speaker 1: little nine year old girl. She was last wearing an
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  Speaker 1: orange tied die Pokemon. The shirt pink pink. Oh, I'm
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  Speaker 1: so glad you told us that.
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  Speaker 6: No, I know, I had to correct the information and
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  Speaker 6: in the Amber alert after it went out the first time,
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  Speaker 6: and then for some reason now in the Amber alert
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  Speaker 6: page it's saying she's five six and she we actually
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  Speaker 6: told the police four seven, and then they put four
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  Speaker 6: or six. But that's close enough, honestly. And then they
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  Speaker 6: didn't have her eye color. I gave it to them.
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  Speaker 7: It's green.
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  Speaker 6: And then they had the shirt as orange.
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  Speaker 8: It's actually pink.
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  Speaker 6: So I don't know, but you know, we're all everybody's
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  Speaker 6: where the police steeples have been. I think you know,
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  Speaker 6: they're honestly overwhelmed too, just like everybody else.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, now let me ask you something. This is that
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  Speaker 1: Moros State Park and Gavin Sort, New York, Yes to you,
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  Speaker 1: Nicole Parton joining US Crime online dot Com investigative reporter.
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  Speaker 1: Where is that exactly? And is that upstate New York
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  Speaker 1: where is that.
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  Speaker 8: This is in Saratoga County. So this is about fifty
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  Speaker 8: miles north of Albany, New York.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so it's way upstate because you've got New York City,
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  Speaker 1: then Albany's up you know, a little off to one side,
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  Speaker 1: but beyond that. And so this is how far above Albany?
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  Speaker 8: Fifty miles north of AUBUSNY.
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  Speaker 1: So an hour north and Miss Senna, Jennae Senna Charlotte's
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  Speaker 1: how far is this from the family home?
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  Speaker 6: Very close actually, I would say ten to fifteen minutes away,
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  Speaker 6: So it's a it's I mean, they love to camp,
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  Speaker 6: and they camp but you know, on the Keith in
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  Speaker 6: different places, but this is like kind of their close
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  Speaker 6: by spot.
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  Speaker 1: Would you say that Charlotte was familiar with the area.
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  Speaker 6: I don't think she was super familiar with it. No,
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  Speaker 6: But again, like they had, they had a group of
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  Speaker 6: friends that they camp with regularly camping with them.
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  Speaker 1: Were they with those friends this time?
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  Speaker 6: Yes?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Who are those friends?
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  Speaker 6: Very good, very good, longtime friends of my brother and
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  Speaker 6: sister in law, who also have children the same age.
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  Speaker 6: And Charlotte was with her sister who is eleven, and
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  Speaker 6: her the friend who was around the same age, and
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  Speaker 6: they apparently were like done bike riding, you know, and
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  Speaker 6: Charlotte had said, just do one more lap with me,
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  Speaker 6: and they kind of, I guess the friend threw down
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  Speaker 6: her bike and said, nope, I'm done, I'm parking my bike,
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  Speaker 6: and kind of what took off back to the campsite.
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  Speaker 6: And that was the last time anybody saw Charlotte.
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  Speaker 1: Guys, take a listen to this.
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  Speaker 2: Her mom calling nine one one to report her missing,
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  Speaker 2: multiple agencies combing Moroe Lake State Park from the air
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  Speaker 2: and the ground using dogs and drones. Authorities issuing an
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  Speaker 2: amber alert this morning.
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  Speaker 9: After that exhausted search. When we couldn't find her here,
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  Speaker 9: it was quite possible that an abduction had taken place.
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  Speaker 2: Charlotte's family describing her as a joyful fourth grader who
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  Speaker 2: had just been elected to student council too.
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  Speaker 1: Donna Kelly joining me, former Utah Senior Deputy District Attorney, Donna,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Just fifteen minutes later,
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  Speaker 1: nine on one was called Is that right, Jenay?
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  Speaker 6: I think Tricia actually told me like ten minutes had
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  Speaker 6: gone by. I know that everybody's reporting fifteen I mean literally, Tricia.
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  Speaker 6: They were cooking dinner. So the friend, David's friend, Charlotte's
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  Speaker 6: father had his back to the loop where they were
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  Speaker 6: riding bikes because he was at the grill and David
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  Speaker 6: was there watching, and Tricia took the little one they
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  Speaker 6: have a little three year old to the bathroom, and
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  Speaker 6: then she came back from the bathroom, and it was
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  Speaker 6: kind of like, oh, where's Charlotte. So that, I mean,
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  Speaker 6: it was such a short amount of really a short
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  Speaker 6: amount of time.
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  Speaker 1: Let me ask you, how long is the loop? If
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  Speaker 1: you were walking the loop as an adult, you were
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  Speaker 1: just walking at yourself, how long would it take you
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  Speaker 1: to walk the loop?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I was walking around it yesterday. Fifteen minutes.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so fifteen minutes walking, So it couldn't have been
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  Speaker 1: over much over a mile if you're just walking at
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  Speaker 1: a normal pace. Sounds like a one mile loop. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: back to you Time stories with Nancy, Grace, Donna Kelly
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  Speaker 1: joining us. Donna, let me clarify one more thing, Janey.
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  Speaker 1: So it was after your sister in law realizes that
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  Speaker 1: Charlotte is she doesn't see her on the loop. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: she's gone to take the three year old to the bathroom.
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  Speaker 1: She comes back, it's time for supper, and she doesn't
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  Speaker 1: see Charlotte. So it's ten minutes after that that nine
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  Speaker 1: on one is called.
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  Speaker 6: Well because it took them a couple minutes to walk,
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  Speaker 6: I guess the other little girl that had been with
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  Speaker 6: Charlotte kind of took them down to where she left
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  Speaker 6: her and it was a twenty feet maybe a little
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  Speaker 6: bit weighs down the hill and that's where they found
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  Speaker 6: her bike.
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  Speaker 1: So when they found her by, is that when they
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  Speaker 1: call nine one one, Yes, that's.
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  Speaker 6: That's I think. There was a little bit of looking
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  Speaker 6: around sort of thing, and then Tricia immediately called nine
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  Speaker 6: one one and reported.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Donna Kelly. My point is an each minute, of course,
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  Speaker 1: is important. And I'm getting a sign waved me from
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  Speaker 1: Jackie that the loop is one third of a mile.
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  Speaker 1: Loop A is the same on all camp sites. Is
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  Speaker 1: that what you're trying to tell me, Jackie? Okay, so
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  Speaker 1: one third of a mile, Donna Kelly. I mean, of course,
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  Speaker 1: I know that there are ways that this can happen,
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  Speaker 1: but to have Charlotte disappear after just literally minutes happening,
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  Speaker 1: minutes passing, and then no sign of her at all,
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  Speaker 1: that would suggest a car, what do you think.
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  Speaker 10: It could be.
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  Speaker 11: We here in Utah have had the experience sadly of
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  Speaker 11: the Elizabeth Small case, and Elizabeth completely disappeared from her
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  Speaker 11: home and within minutes was reported by her little sister.
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  Speaker 11: There was people, there were people searching in a very
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  Speaker 11: short time, but she was actually abducted and taken just
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  Speaker 11: a little ways from her home, which was kind of
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  Speaker 11: a rural wooded area, So it can happen very quickly
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  Speaker 11: and with.
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  Speaker 12: Very little trait.
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  Speaker 1: Guys, I want to break down what we know right now.
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  Speaker 1: With me is Janney Senna. This is Cheryla's aunt to you.
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  Speaker 1: Justin Bordman joining us, a former detective with the West
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  Speaker 1: Valley City PD Special Victims Unit.
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  Speaker 12: Wait in, Yeah, that was a really quick disappearance and
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  Speaker 12: it sounds like the family. I mean they reported extremely fast,
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  Speaker 12: so it would kind of point to the direction of
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  Speaker 12: a car, like what you were saying, because it would
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  Speaker 12: be something that would be gone really quickly. I think
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  Speaker 12: that you have to set up your perimeter to start
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  Speaker 12: searching the area. I think that you also see how
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  Speaker 12: close to water the bike was, I don't know the area,
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  Speaker 12: and you would start searching from there. I Also remember
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  Speaker 12: I thought somebody said they were staying in a cabin,
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  Speaker 12: but it was also an RV sort of things.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's find out about that, Jenni Senna. Was it
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  Speaker 1: a cabin, a tant or an RV?
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  Speaker 6: So Dave and Trisha have a little pop up camper
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  Speaker 6: and a tent on the site what I were seeing
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  Speaker 6: with friends, so there, as to my knowledge, there are no.
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  Speaker 1: Cabins, So it's a pop up camper.
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  Speaker 7: Yes.
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  Speaker 6: And one thing I want to mention that I don't
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  Speaker 6: think anybody has reported yet, but something that just has
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  Speaker 6: been observed is that where the specific location where her
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  Speaker 6: bike was found, if you just go down a little
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  Speaker 6: hill sort of of like wooded area but kind of clear,
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  Speaker 6: is the north Way? What the north Way which is
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  Speaker 6: kind of our major thoroughfare, like once if you get
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  Speaker 6: to Albany and then they becomes west, that's it, and
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  Speaker 6: you want to go north, It's called the north Way,
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  Speaker 6: which is eighty seven.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's go with that. Right there, Mark Hopkins joining me,
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  Speaker 1: Chief of Field Operations, Greater Philly Search and Rescue gpsa
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  Speaker 1: R Greater Philly Search and Rescue. Mark right there, because
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  Speaker 1: if they came in, if La law enforcement came in
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  Speaker 1: with quickly, within fifteen to thirty minutes max. And they're
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  Speaker 1: not picking anything up on a drone or a dog
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  Speaker 1: or shoulder to shoulder. She was taken in a car.
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  Speaker 1: The north Way, Is that what you said? The north Way?
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  Speaker 6: The north Way, Yeah, through eighty seven, which is the
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  Speaker 6: through way is eighty seven until you get to a
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  Speaker 6: certain point and then the through way becomes west and
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  Speaker 6: east up here and there eighty seven continues and it's
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  Speaker 6: known as the north Way, which goes pet from Saratoga
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  Speaker 6: up to I think like Canada.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Mark Hopkins, Chief Field Operations, Greater Philly Search and Rescue.
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  Speaker 1: That's it. That's it that, that's what happened.
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  Speaker 7: What do you think, well, I think that if if
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  Speaker 7: the person to the part clearly changes things, all the
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  Speaker 7: efforts in the park would be for naught because they're
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  Speaker 7: not there.
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  Speaker 10: But what our job is in search and rescue is
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  Speaker 10: to in.
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  Speaker 7: These instances, the world gets real big, real.
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  Speaker 10: Fast, and time starts to move different, and our job
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  Speaker 10: is to shrink it back down to something that's manageable
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  Speaker 10: and get time back under control as best we can
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  Speaker 10: and not be looking in the.
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  Speaker 7: Entire world and that involves investigation, and with the proliferation
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  Speaker 7: of camera phones and things of that nature in this
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  Speaker 7: day and age, where they've got to do it.
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  Speaker 10: People in parks or creatures of habit the same people
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  Speaker 10: come on the same days at the same times. Typically
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  Speaker 10: they need to extensively interview them because somebody saw something.
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  Speaker 10: They just don't think it's important right now, but it is.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go over the description again. Charlotte Center, just nine
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  Speaker 1: years old, third grade. Pink tied eye, Pokemon shirt, dark
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  Speaker 1: blue pants. Are they long or short? Janay?
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  Speaker 6: I believe leggings, Nancy leggings probably.
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  Speaker 1: Quick question, Janey. The gray helmet. Was it found the
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  Speaker 1: biking helmet?
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  Speaker 6: No, it was not.
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  Speaker 1: Helmet still gone bike. Was the bike up on the
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  Speaker 1: kickstand or was it just thrown down.
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  Speaker 6: I've heard conflicting reports about that. I also have heard
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  Speaker 6: that there was a passerby that claims they moved the
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  Speaker 6: bike because it was laying down in the middle of
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  Speaker 6: the road. I was initially told it was up on
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  Speaker 6: its kickstand, but then these people came by and said, well,
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  Speaker 6: we found it in the middle of the road and
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  Speaker 6: we wanted to drive through, so we moved it.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't see any reason that they would make
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  Speaker 1: that up. Right, So bike in the middle of the road,
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  Speaker 1: helmet gone, So she didn't take off her helmet. Blonde
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  Speaker 1: with bangs, green eyes for seven ninety pounds, third grade, right, Jana,
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  Speaker 1: fourth grade, fourth grade? Oh gosh, okay, everybody way in.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Gary Riccato is with a clinical psychologists and author
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  Speaker 1: of The New Evil Understanding the Emergence of modern violent
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  Speaker 1: crime way In Riccato.
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  Speaker 11: Sure.
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  Speaker 12: So, obviously, with these kind of events, the first thing
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  Speaker 12: that has to happen is they're ruling out of a
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  Speaker 12: simpler explanation like an accident, falling into water, things like that.
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  Speaker 12: But once that's been ruled out and a lot of
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  Speaker 12: time has gone by, obviously our thoughts have to begin
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  Speaker 12: to move in the direction of an abduction. And one
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  Speaker 12: thing that I would point out right away is that
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  Speaker 12: people who abduct children really seem to fall into two
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  Speaker 12: broad buckets. The first are a kind of more psychopathic,
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  Speaker 12: scheming type of person who would groom a child over time,
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  Speaker 12: you know, to lure them. But the other type, the
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  Speaker 12: type that would more quickly operate like this, tends to
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  Speaker 12: be a more peculiar odd person because they don't have
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  Speaker 12: the social skills to lure someone like that. So those
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  Speaker 12: kinds of people, because they're a little bit more odd
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  Speaker 12: and disorganized, tend to be a little bit more local
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  Speaker 12: and a little bit less clever and creative. And how
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  Speaker 12: they do this, it's more like an opportunistic thing pops up,
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  Speaker 12: they snatch and and you know, So that what I
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  Speaker 12: think you're looking for is probably somebody who doesn't live
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  Speaker 12: very far from that area and who most likely has
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  Speaker 12: had a history consistent with this kind of thing. A
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  Speaker 12: person you know doesn't tend to do this out of nowhere,
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  Speaker 12: they tend to have a history of it. I can
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  Speaker 12: tell you that with a quick search that Saratova County
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  Speaker 12: has about two hundred registered offenders on records, yes, sex offenders,
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  Speaker 12: and it has a crime rate that is about two
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  Speaker 12: per one thousand crime two people per one thousand individuals,
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  Speaker 12: which is not the lowest crime rates, that's only lower
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  Speaker 12: than about twenty five percent of places in the state.
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  Speaker 12: So it is a place where it is possible that
• 19:14
  Speaker 12: something like that happened. But I think it is useful
• 19:17
  Speaker 12: to think about the idea that that this is probably
• 19:19
  Speaker 12: somebody who isn't coming from very far away. For example,
• 19:24
  Speaker 12: we can't really picture somebody sitting and trolling waiting for
• 19:28
  Speaker 12: this to happen. It was far more likely somebody said, oh,
• 19:30
  Speaker 12: there is a child that is riding alone. I don't
• 19:33
  Speaker 12: see any parents. Let me open the car door, pull
• 19:36
  Speaker 12: the kid in, and so you know that. I think
• 19:39
  Speaker 12: that's the kind of person you're looking for here.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: So don I want to follow up on multiple things
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: that you just said. Number one, Janey Senna, did the
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: loop that she was riding on her bike go anywhere
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: near down the heel where a driver would have seen her? Yes?
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: No, another driver. Well here's the thing, Nancy, Like I
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: said earlier, it's a one way.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: I know it's one way, right, But did the loop?
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Was the loop close to the north Way? Could you
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: see the loop from the highway?
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: Yes, but I don't believe a vehicle could go down.
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: It's like an embankment into the woods. So I don't
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: believe if that is that scenario, I think they would
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: have had to go out through the park. So that's
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: another kind of crazy thing that we can't wrap our heads.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Up and we understand what you're saying because we cannot
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: envision it. Yeah, Jennay Senna is with us. This is
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Charlotte's aunt. So from the highway, from the north Way
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: that you described to us, you can see the loop
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: where Charlotte was riding her bid.
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: Yes, I don't believe you can see the north Way
• 20:52
  Speaker 6: from the loop. I don't believe you could see the
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: loop from the north Way. If that makes sense, you'd
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: be looking up a mountain sort of through trees, got it.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: But yet her bike was found in the road on
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: the north Way.
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: No, in the loop.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, I thought you told me it was down the hill.
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: No, the bike is in a spot on the loop.
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: So on the particular loop, it's like the only spot
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: where you could actually kind of look down and see
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: the north Way.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: I see. I see.
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: So if say, either if someone was traveling on foot
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: for some reason, you know, left a car on the
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: side of the north I don't know. I'm just saying,
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: runs up the hill something along those lines, got it. Otherwise,
• 21:33
  Speaker 6: if they're driving through the loop, they had to have
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: just continued on the one way and then you don't
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: have to go around it again. You could just go
• 21:42
  Speaker 6: right out the entrance to Luke ex So.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Are you saying on this loop that it's only, according
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: to Jackie, one third of a mile. Are you sure
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: that sounds about right? Are vehicles allowed on the.
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: Loop Yes, it's a one way road.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: How do you get off of it?
• 21:57
  Speaker 6: You can just you just literally drive around from where
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: their campsite is. You drive around the corner and then
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: the entrance to Loop A is right there, and then
• 22:07
  Speaker 6: you make a left and another immediate left, and that
• 22:11
  Speaker 6: is the entrance to the park. That is the gate.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Oh so you were close to the gate, yes, of
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: the park. I guess that's why it's a Is it
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: the closest one to the to the entrance, yes, yes,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: so there could have been a car there. I see.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: very quickly, Janey. Is there any body of water near there?
• 22:35
  Speaker 10: Oh?
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: A huge lake, yes, Moreau Lake, And there is a
• 22:41
  Speaker 6: separate I just learned because I was looking at maps
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: and stuff and reading tips from people that were messaging me.
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: And there's a separate, smaller lake next to it called
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: Bonita Lake. Banito Banita Bonita like Bonita Springs. Yes, it
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: reminds me of in Florida. So there's Moreau Lake, which
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: is rather large in my opinion, and then Benita Lake
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: right next to it.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Jenna. Have they brought in tracker dogs?
• 23:08
  Speaker 12: Oh?
• 23:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that was one of the first things they did
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: in the overnight hours Saturday night.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: What did they come up with regarding tracker dogs.
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: I'm not sure because the police really aren't giving any
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: information on that to us.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: At least, So what happened in those critical first moments
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends at WRGB.
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: Family friends in nearby campers when looking.
• 23:38
  Speaker 9: For her, and approximately six forty five pm, Sharlock's bike
• 23:41
  Speaker 9: was located in Loope and at six forty seven pm,
• 23:44
  Speaker 9: Charlotte's mom, Trishall, called nine one one to report the
• 23:47
  Speaker 9: child missing.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: Massive search efforts have been going since seven pm Saturday,
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: with drones, canine officers, aviation and water search and rescue
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: teams canvassing the state park. Charlotte was last seen wearing
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: an or range tight eye Pokemon t shirt, blue pants,
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: black crocs, and a gray bike helmet.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Okay, we know it's pink. We know there are a
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: few discrepancies there. She's four seven ninety pounds, pink tight
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: eye Pokemon shirt, dark blue pants, probably tights, black crocs,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: gray helmet. Her Gray Hamlet has not been found, so
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: obviously she was taken into Gray Helmet. I guess one
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: of the first things they did nical parton is to
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: search every camp or tent and cabin there.
• 24:26
  Speaker 8: Yes, no, yes, even the governor made a statement that
• 24:30
  Speaker 8: every cabin, tent, table, everything, nothing was left unturned. They
• 24:35
  Speaker 8: did an immediate search. Also interesting, there are thirty one
• 24:39
  Speaker 8: camp sites in loop A, Nancy. This is a busy loop.
• 24:43
  Speaker 8: Thirty one camp site in that particular loop, with a
• 24:46
  Speaker 8: restroom and shower facility right in the center of the loop,
• 24:51
  Speaker 8: the recycle the trash bins right on the outside. A
• 24:54
  Speaker 8: lot of activity, especially in the afternoon. People are grilling.
• 24:58
  Speaker 8: Six thirty people are outside doing the restroom breaks. I
• 25:02
  Speaker 8: mean that's a lot of people. Someone had to see something.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: They had to They had to Nicole Partner and what
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: you said about the governor's correct take a listen hour
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: cut four WRGB six.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: Governor Kathy Hokeel at the search site on Sunday afternoon,
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: saying she has promised this own a family law enforcement
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: will bring Charlotte home.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: We are leaving no stone, no branch, no table, no
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: cabin unturned, untouched unexamined in our search to find Charlotte.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: She's all of our daughters. Their family needs love, they
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: need prayers. Now I know that the camp was closed down.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Moreau Lake State Park in New York closes amid the
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: search for nine year olds Charlotte. Now I appreciate what
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: the governor says. I take everything a politician says with
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: a box of assault, but in this case it may
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: actually be helpful to the search for Charlotte. Now let
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: me under the steps that were taking the cole part
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: and Jennay Senna, everybody jump in on the panel. Please.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: I understand that campers, tents, cabins were immediately searched. Now
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: does that include all thirty one camp sized Janney?
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: So here was my thing about that. Just even while
• 26:22
  Speaker 6: I was there yesterday, there were still people coming and
• 26:26
  Speaker 6: going that were camping there, I guess because they were
• 26:31
  Speaker 6: trying to kind of clear them out, but they had
• 26:34
  Speaker 6: to come back and get their stuff or whatever. It
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: was so like we were in the middle of the
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: loop at one point and there was a woman in
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: a jeep who looked aggravated and gave us a dirty
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: look that we were like in her way. And I
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: go who's that?
• 26:49
  Speaker 10: You know?
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: So the police were like at the gate, you know,
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: checking people and that sort of thing, but there were
• 26:56
  Speaker 6: like still a lot of strange people around and it
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: wasn't kind of fully cleared out until about six o'clock.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Until about six o'clock, you may, well, right, this whole
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: thing went down around six thirty to seven pm, So.
• 27:09
  Speaker 6: What was twenty four hours?
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Twenty four hours? While you're jump in.
• 27:12
  Speaker 12: Disgustin hey, you know, one of the things I would
• 27:15
  Speaker 12: do is certainly start in the campground where we would
• 27:20
  Speaker 12: be identifying the people in the different camp spots. You know,
• 27:25
  Speaker 12: did they register their names on a book? Did how
• 27:29
  Speaker 12: did they pay? And then taking a look at their history.
• 27:32
  Speaker 12: I think that our suspect, if you will, would have
• 27:36
  Speaker 12: been somebody that certainly knows the area. But when you're hunting, sorry,
• 27:42
  Speaker 12: but when you're hunting for kids, it's certainly going to
• 27:45
  Speaker 12: be an opportunity to jump in and snag one. But
• 27:49
  Speaker 12: you're going to also run this through your head a lot.
• 27:52
  Speaker 12: You're going to be thinking about your exit strategy and
• 27:57
  Speaker 12: things like that. Then you just wait for the opportunity.
• 28:00
  Speaker 12: So somebody would be a little bit more familiar with
• 28:04
  Speaker 12: the campgrounds and the exit strategy. Maybe they were actually
• 28:08
  Speaker 12: camping there, saw the opportunity, snatched her up and then
• 28:13
  Speaker 12: took off. You know they had bloodhounds also right there soon.
• 28:20
  Speaker 12: Bloodhounds are incredible trackers, So if they didn't get a
• 28:24
  Speaker 12: track on which way or to the water, more likely
• 28:28
  Speaker 12: than not, I would agree with you that somebody snatched
• 28:32
  Speaker 12: her up in a car.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, you're hearing Justin Bordman, former detective straight out to
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Mark Hopkins, way in on what's your theory right now?
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: If every one of the thirty one camp sites have
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: been checked, and that's what I'm getting from Jena, Well.
• 28:48
  Speaker 10: If you're going with subduction as a theory and that's
• 28:51
  Speaker 10: not an in.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Ballots theory, Okay, what's the alternative?
• 28:55
  Speaker 10: Something happened and fightened her and she ran into the woods,
• 28:58
  Speaker 10: a medical emergency and animal something else are other possibilities.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Okay, let me just go out on a limb here.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: She's camped here several times. She did not run into
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: the woods and stayed hiding there even when her parents
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: were calling her. Now, is she in the woods incapacitated? Maybe,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: but she did not run in there and ignore people
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: calling her I do not think there has been a
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: wild animal attack. I think we would have seen evidence
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: of that, and her bike being in the middle of
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: the road to me precludes evidence of an animal attack.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: And also when you have evidence of an animal attack,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: you see tracks where the body is dragged.
• 29:43
  Speaker 10: The problem I have with the camper doing it is
• 29:45
  Speaker 10: that it would take a lot more time than this
• 29:48
  Speaker 10: person has.
• 29:49
  Speaker 12: A lot more What time that.
• 29:51
  Speaker 10: This person had to snatch her and break down a cap.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Potentially and break down a camp? Well, what if they're
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: in a camper on wheels, there's nothing bringing down Yeah.
• 30:02
  Speaker 10: Well, if they're in a camp and they were registered there,
• 30:04
  Speaker 10: that it's a sort of thing about going to a
• 30:07
  Speaker 10: list of people that were registered to be there. That's
• 30:10
  Speaker 10: that's a little easier. I hope. I hoped it would
• 30:12
  Speaker 10: be something that simple.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's move forward, guys. Take a listen to our
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: cut three from Emma Quinn.
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: During a press conference, New York State Police were questioned
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: by since the search started Saturday evening, they waited to
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: send an Amber alert for Charlotte until Sunday morning.
• 30:29
  Speaker 9: Following our exhaustive search of the park, we we took
• 30:33
  Speaker 9: that step of issuing the Amber alert because we we
• 30:36
  Speaker 9: we felt that after that exhaustive search, when we couldn't
• 30:39
  Speaker 9: find her here, it was quite possible that an abduction
• 30:43
  Speaker 9: had taken place.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace to Donna Kelly joining us,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: former Utah Senior Deputy District Attorney and attorney for crime
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: victims and Amber alert. Everyone always attacks the police because
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: they delay an Amber alert, and sometimes those attacks are justified.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: But in this case, I believe they were searching the
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: entire area before they issued an Amber alert, and I
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: don't have a problem with that. I mean, I wish
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: it had been sooner, but given they were out searching,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: bringing in k nines and search activities, I don't think
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: they did anything wrong.
• 31:38
  Speaker 11: No, it sounds like to me that the priority was
• 31:41
  Speaker 11: get the area, you know, cleared first, and I agree.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: With that, guys. Very often Amber alerts are issued if
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: police believe a car is involved. Nicole Parton joining me
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com jump.
• 31:59
  Speaker 8: In, Nicole, Well, I'm sure, and I think after they
• 32:02
  Speaker 8: brought in I was told they brought in one hundred personnel.
• 32:04
  Speaker 8: They brought the dogs, the drones, the boats, they started
• 32:07
  Speaker 8: six underwater rescue teams when all of that found nothing,
• 32:13
  Speaker 8: no results. It was quite obvious this had to be
• 32:16
  Speaker 8: leaning toward an abduction, and in that loop, the only
• 32:20
  Speaker 8: way out would be by vehicle, whether that's an RV,
• 32:24
  Speaker 8: a car, a truck, something on that king.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: And in fact the one you sent us is a
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: really we've been looking online. This is a really good explanation. Guys.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: When we're saying a loop, this is what we mean.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: There's the entrance to the park. You turned in, and
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: there's a big it looks kind of like the shape
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: of a baked potato. There's a big baked potato, and
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: coming off the baked potato are thirty one little arrows. Okay,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: each one of those is camp They're thirty one smaller campsites,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: and those camp sites may accommodate. Let's just say, what
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: would you say, ten families, Max? What about it? Janey?
• 33:11
  Speaker 6: I'm not sure, honestly, Like, I know that at their
• 33:15
  Speaker 6: particular campsite they were able to put a very large
• 33:20
  Speaker 6: tent and a pop up camper.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Tent and camper. Yeah, but there were other families there
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: as well that they didn't know.
• 33:27
  Speaker 6: Correct, Well, yeah, all around the loop.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: I know, But I'm just talking about their campsite, Campsite
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: number one, how many other families were there?
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: They're just they're just their friends, nobody that they didn't
• 33:40
  Speaker 6: know at their particular But it's all open. It's not
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: like there's I mean, I'm not a camper, so I
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: don't you know, I don't know too much about how
• 33:48
  Speaker 6: normally is. But it's not like there's a gate in
• 33:50
  Speaker 6: between or anything like that.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: You can walk from one to the next.
• 33:53
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, they run right into the next and there's
• 33:56
  Speaker 6: just a post with each number. And there was about
• 33:59
  Speaker 6: there is a about halfway up the like I said,
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: one way, so about halfway up the one side.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: And let me ask you, were they in campsite number one? No,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: I wonder do you know which campsite they were in?
• 34:14
  Speaker 6: I believe sixteen?
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Okay, sixteen is about halfway around.
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah, got it.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: So with that in mind, I want to go through
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: what the search efforts entailed, what do we know right
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: now about the search efforts that were implemented immediately, and
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: to call for tips take a listen to again. Emma Quinn.
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: Charlotte's aunt Jannay Senna, spoke on behalf of the.
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: Family, saying no tip is insignificant. So if anyone has
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: any information at all, saw anything in the vicinity of
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: the entrance to the Moreau Lake State Park, or are
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: camping here and have any information at all.
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: If anyone has any you saw something, you heard something,
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: you are asked to call the number on your screen
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: here or.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Call nine to one one. From what I can tell,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: everything has been done at that site, and I'm guessing
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: that the campers were not allowed to leave without their
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: vehicle or their camper being searched. But frankly, if the
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: dogs didn't pick up anything to lead them to a
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: specific part of the camp, I'm not sure she was
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: taken to a camper or one of the tents. I
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: mean to Gary Dodger, Gary Pricado, clinical psychologist Ricado, I
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: would think that had someone taken her to their tent
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: or their camper to let's just play it out to
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: molest her and or kill her, the dogs would absolutely
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: have picked up that scent. I have no doubt in
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: my mind.
• 35:55
  Speaker 12: I would be more inclined to think that someone passing
• 35:59
  Speaker 12: in a vehicle oppera soonistically snatched her and left the park,
• 36:04
  Speaker 12: but that it would be somebody familiar with the area
• 36:07
  Speaker 12: and wouldn't have taken her very far out of the park.
• 36:11
  Speaker 12: I don't think this is somebody commuting from very far away.
• 36:14
  Speaker 12: It was just somebody with this kind of tendency who said, wow,
• 36:21
  Speaker 12: you know, opportunity has placed this person in my path,
• 36:24
  Speaker 12: opened the car door without any probably much talking or anything,
• 36:29
  Speaker 12: and drove off.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Would be my subposition that quickly. I think she was
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: yanked off of her bike, or she may have been
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: lure such as have you seen my puppy luring? But
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: it was such a quick thing. Once they can get
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: their hand on the child, if the child gets close
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: enough to the car, that's all it takes. Once they
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: get their hand around the child's arm, it's over.
• 36:53
  Speaker 10: It's justin.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 36:54
  Speaker 12: One thing that we haven't discussed, and it may not
• 36:58
  Speaker 12: be an issue, is brainstorming. Are there any custody issues?
• 37:03
  Speaker 6: Everyone keeps asking this information and.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: No, okay, so no custody. Got a question? What about
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: cameras on the loop? Do you know anything about are
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: there cameras on the camp site? Janey?
• 37:16
  Speaker 6: There was a rumor on Facebook that there was a
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: trail cam.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: I do not.
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: To my knowledge, I do not know anything about that,
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: and I've only seen it on this particular Facebook post
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: that keeps getting shared and shared with me. And I've
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: also been told that at the entrance there should be
• 37:33
  Speaker 6: some sort of camera or recording device for license plates,
• 37:37
  Speaker 6: but the police haven't shared that with us. So if
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: they are working that angle, they are doing it without
• 37:45
  Speaker 6: you know, talking about it. Essentially, it's hard to believe
• 37:49
  Speaker 6: in this day and age that there are no cameras.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: Do you know if the family heard any cars, an
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: they screeching of tires, any scream, any anything.
• 37:57
  Speaker 6: I actually asked that question yesterday of the friend that
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: was camping with them, and because he's the one that
• 38:03
  Speaker 6: head is back to the loop, because he was cooking, grilling,
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: and he said Toenay, if she screamed, we wouldn't think
• 38:12
  Speaker 6: anything of it, because there's screams of joy. I mean,
• 38:15
  Speaker 6: there's so many children. Every campsite had several bikes in
• 38:18
  Speaker 6: front of it. They all ride their bikes around the loop.
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  Speaker 6: This is the thing they do at this campsite. So
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  Speaker 6: like to the point of one of your other panelists
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  Speaker 6: that yes, someone who's familiar with this campsite would know
• 38:31
  Speaker 6: there's children on bikes and likely there's going to be
• 38:33
  Speaker 6: one that's going to be alone for a second. But yes,
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: they would. They make lots of noise. It was very noisy.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: I think you're right, doctor Bricado. I think someone saw her,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: took advantage, an opportunist with a proclivity to fantasize or
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: dream about children, grabbed her, put her in a car,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: and took off. Because the dogs did not lead Ellie
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: to a campsite, a tent or pop up, the dogs
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: would have picked up percent. I have no doubt about that.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: That only leaves her being in the water, which sometimes
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: they can pick that up too, or having been taken
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: in a car. And I think that it is someone
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: that lives nearby. Guys the tip line five one eight
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  Speaker 1: four or five seven six eight one one repeat five
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: one eight four or five seven six eight one one.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: There is a chance, a strong chance, we could bring
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: Charlotte home alive. With every hour that passes, that chance diminishes.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: If you think you know anything, please call the tip line. Goodbye, friend,