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Greenland, Guns, And The Comment Section · The Elsa Kurt Show

0:29
SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry, I'm already laughing because Clay was starting to tell me something just before I clicked that button and he got cut off.
0:35
SPEAKER_00: So now I'm now it's a mystery.
0:37
SPEAKER_00: I can't wait to find out.
0:40
SPEAKER_06: So thanks folks for joining us.
0:42
SPEAKER_06: As you can see, the new intro to the show that Elsa has come up with, and she's been asking me for two weeks now for a couple of photos that I my life has been crazy.
0:52
SPEAKER_06: It's the end of the holidays, kids back to college, all those things.
0:55
SPEAKER_06: And I just realized as you hit play it that I still have not gotten you the photo.
1:02
SPEAKER_06: That's that was my reaction.
1:03
SPEAKER_06: I apologize.
1:04
SPEAKER_06: But thanks for joining us, folks.
1:05
SPEAKER_01: Yes, thank you guys, and uh thank you to my my guest, uh Clay Novak for joining me today.
1:11
SPEAKER_01: What the heck?
1:12
SPEAKER_01: What is wrong with people?
1:13
SPEAKER_01: What is going on, Clay?
1:14
SPEAKER_01: Clay, you've been like my guest for for like nearly three years now.
1:18
SPEAKER_01: So guys, Clay Novak is not my guest.
1:22
SPEAKER_01: I I feel like it should be obvious in the show title, the Elsa Kurt Show with Clay Novak.
1:27
SPEAKER_01: It like it's what plays every single week.
1:29
SPEAKER_01: Every single week.
1:30
SPEAKER_01: This guy is right across the screen from me.
1:33
SPEAKER_01: I'm pointing the wrong way because everything is backwards for me on here.
1:35
SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, no, he's he's not a guest, he's my co-host, guys.
1:41
SPEAKER_01: Come on now.
1:42
SPEAKER_01: And if you're wondering, I gotta add more clay.
1:44
SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry.
1:44
SPEAKER_01: Let me just add this in real quickly because it really gets under my skin.
1:47
SPEAKER_01: Nothing ever bothers me for me.
1:49
SPEAKER_01: I gotta tell you that.
1:50
SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't care.
1:51
SPEAKER_01: And I know you're the same way about yourself, you don't care.
1:53
SPEAKER_01: But I'm highly defensive about the people in my life.
1:57
SPEAKER_01: And so it really irks the daylights out of me when some tool in the comments section says, Who is this guy?
2:04
SPEAKER_01: Who does he think he is?
2:06
SPEAKER_01: Dude, click on his name.
2:07
SPEAKER_01: Click on his name, go to his website.
2:09
SPEAKER_01: You want to know who he is?
2:10
SPEAKER_01: You're gonna find out who he is.
2:12
SPEAKER_01: So shut up.
2:13
SPEAKER_01: Do the work of just answering your own question.
2:17
SPEAKER_01: Okay, I'm done.
2:18
SPEAKER_01: Go ahead, Clay.
2:19
SPEAKER_06: For a little context, folks, Else and I, and we've got a new little bit at the end of the show, uh, which we're gonna we're gonna talk about uh some comments from the the show prior, uh from our viewers and listeners.
2:30
SPEAKER_06: And uh one thing that Else and I were just talking about that constantly comes up is people ask who I am, I a guest, where did I come from, and who do I think I am?
2:41
SPEAKER_06: And and again, I've been co-hosting the show with Elsa for over a year, almost what, a year and a half, two years now?
2:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think we're at two years now, past two, maybe two, past two years now.
2:51
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
2:51
SPEAKER_06: I can't keep track of time.
2:52
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, and and and I my listen, folks, that I'm out there.
2:56
SPEAKER_06: I got a website, I've written some books.
2:58
SPEAKER_06: If you want to know who I am, all you gotta do is Google it and you'll find out.
3:01
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, but uh yeah, it is inevitable that pretty much every week somebody goes, Who is this guy?
3:05
SPEAKER_06: And I I always laugh.
3:07
SPEAKER_06: I think it's funny.
3:07
SPEAKER_01: I think you know what it is, I think like people have this expectation that everybody, like every, not just us, that everybody fits in these tidy little boxes and you do this one thing.
3:18
SPEAKER_01: Like I still get comments, I get comments pretty probably daily on what happened to the uh Kamala Catholic.
3:25
SPEAKER_01: How come you're not doing Kamala anymore?
3:27
SPEAKER_01: Well, first of all, she's not relevant anymore.
3:29
SPEAKER_01: She's like, she if I kept doing it all the time, if that was my only thing, people would be like, we're so tired of seeing that stop.
3:36
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
3:37
SPEAKER_01: So, you know, I get it, you can't please everyone, but it's like, you know, here's the thing: every single one of us, at least I hope every single one of us, is multifaceted.
3:46
SPEAKER_01: Like we are we can do many, many things.
3:48
SPEAKER_01: And you know, you do the author thing, you do commentary, you do the podcast, you do you're all of these other things.
3:55
SPEAKER_01: You're a speaker, you do all of these other things.
3:57
SPEAKER_01: I as well, I write books, I I create different types of content, I do some solo podcasts, I do my Christian faith stuff.
4:06
SPEAKER_01: Like it's okay to do many things.
4:10
SPEAKER_01: Oh jeesh.
4:13
SPEAKER_01: Oh my goodness.
4:14
SPEAKER_01: All right, am I am I done ranting?
4:16
SPEAKER_01: I think I'm done.
4:17
SPEAKER_00: I think so.
4:18
SPEAKER_01: All right, all right, we can get down to business.
4:20
SPEAKER_01: Um, we are we're gonna get right down to business.
4:22
SPEAKER_01: We are gonna talk right about uh uh President Trump's um plans to um, you know, just to take ownership of Greenland.
4:30
SPEAKER_01: And people are like losing their minds over it, of course.
4:32
SPEAKER_01: Greenland included, I think, right?
4:35
SPEAKER_01: Um You know, I think everybody is treating this as like it's just some silly thing that he feels like doing randomly, and that's not the case at all.
4:45
SPEAKER_01: And I want you to speak on this a little more because you can speak way more intelligently on this than I can, so please.
4:50
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, so uh one, welcome to day 365 of Trump's uh it's been a year, right?
4:57
SPEAKER_06: And um so I I'm still trying to figure out why where all of the uh women in the handsmaiden tail uh costumes are, um, where uh all the African Americans being put back into slavery are, where all of the trans people being um you know murdered in the streets, like all of those things that were predictive.
5:16
SPEAKER_06: Remember that before the I remember it very well.
5:19
SPEAKER_06: Again, none of that has happened as all of us rational human beings knew they would not.
5:23
SPEAKER_06: But here's where we are 365 days later, and the irrationality continues, and and this Greenland thing is a prime example.
5:31
SPEAKER_06: So um Greenland itself, folks, strategically, uh, and and I say that strategically, militarily, has it is of great importance.
5:39
SPEAKER_06: This is not new news, okay?
5:41
SPEAKER_06: Before World War II, before World War I, the United States was trying to acquire, made efforts to acquire Greenland.
5:48
SPEAKER_06: Um, post-World War II, same thing happened.
5:51
SPEAKER_06: Uh we realized in you know, being demonstrated by you know the German, the Nazi Navy uh throughout the Atlantic that Greenland had great geographic importance in deterrence with the Soviet Union through the Cold War, again, great importance.
6:06
SPEAKER_06: It has only quote unquote lost its value in the post-Cold War era.
6:12
SPEAKER_06: Um, and and it hasn't.
6:13
SPEAKER_06: It just appears to have because the United States hasn't determined or hasn't put a thumbtack in our greatest threat, like it was so clear during the Soviet Union.
6:23
SPEAKER_06: Greenland is still important.
6:24
SPEAKER_06: It is the the best land bridge connector between North America and Europe.
6:32
SPEAKER_06: It it controls or helps to control the North Atlantic.
6:35
SPEAKER_06: You know, there and President Trump realizes that it is of great importance and that we, the United States, have essentially let our presence lapse.
6:44
SPEAKER_06: There's an Air Force base there which has essentially dwindled down to nothing.
6:47
SPEAKER_06: We have very little or no communications capabilities, which we used to have.
6:50
SPEAKER_06: Um it none of those things exist.
6:52
SPEAKER_06: Oh, by the way, there's also not a NATO presence there.
6:56
SPEAKER_06: So as NATO with the United States as a component has agreed to this, you know, um partnered security.
7:04
SPEAKER_06: No one is using Greenland.
7:06
SPEAKER_06: Uh no one is securing Greenland, no one is protecting Greenland.
7:09
SPEAKER_06: And here's why that matters is because no one currently controls the North Atlantic.
7:14
SPEAKER_06: Um, it's it's you know, there we have presence there, we have ships there.
7:17
SPEAKER_06: So do the Russians, so does, you know, uh a number of other nations.
7:22
SPEAKER_06: Greenland provides security, and the United States sees that as a strategic imperative.
7:27
SPEAKER_06: And that's why President Trump has, and it's not sudden, he tried to do this in his last administration, he brought this up, but we we need to have a presence there.
7:35
SPEAKER_06: And when I say we, it is the United States as a member of NATO.
7:40
SPEAKER_06: What he has, he, President Trump, hasn't seen is any uh reaction, any effort, any anything from NATO to support presence in Greenland.
7:51
SPEAKER_06: Now he is forcing the issue.
7:53
SPEAKER_06: Personally, folks, I don't think President Trump has ever had any desire to own Greenland and certainly not take it by force, which he said today in Davos Switzerland at the World Economic Forum.
8:03
SPEAKER_06: He said we wouldn't use force to take it.
8:05
SPEAKER_06: He never intended to use force to take it.
8:08
SPEAKER_06: Um but of course they're all trying to make it sound like he's keeping.
8:13
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, what he's trying to do is force NATO to do their job, which is the collective defense of the NATO partners, which includes the United States.
8:21
SPEAKER_06: And of course, when he said, Hey, uh, I you know, I want Greenland, I want to be a part of what happened.
8:26
SPEAKER_06: There was an immediate reaction by all of NATO.
8:29
SPEAKER_06: Now it was joking in the reaction.
8:32
SPEAKER_06: I mean, we're talking less than 150 troops deployed there, like six different nations total.
8:38
SPEAKER_06: Um, but but he saw a response.
8:41
SPEAKER_06: Um, and so, in in my opinion, you know, what needs to happen is there needs to be a international but probably US-run port uh that is in constant use uh in Greenland.
8:54
SPEAKER_06: I think there needs to be at least two uh functional airbases with fighter, bomber, and drone capability.
9:00
SPEAKER_06: I think it probably wouldn't hurt to forward deploy a US brigade of of combat power uh you know into Greenland, very much like we have in Korea right now, in a rotation, um just to have them present.
9:13
SPEAKER_06: Now, could it be shared with NATO?
9:16
SPEAKER_06: Sure.
9:16
SPEAKER_06: Uh should it be shared with NATO?
9:19
SPEAKER_06: Probably.
9:19
SPEAKER_06: Um, but there has to be something there because right now it is it is devoid of any uh protective you know capability for the US or for NATO.
9:29
SPEAKER_06: Um and really what he what he's worried about too is yes, there are natural resources there.
9:34
SPEAKER_06: And and what has happened in Africa when we collectively haven't paid attention to what China's doing?
9:39
SPEAKER_06: They went in and bought the place.
9:41
SPEAKER_06: They went in and bought most of Africa, most of the continent, mining rights for natural resources and all sorts of things.
9:47
SPEAKER_06: He's worried that there's potential for them to at least explore the same thing in Greenland.
9:51
SPEAKER_06: Um, he doesn't want that, none of us should want that.
9:54
SPEAKER_06: Um, so he's he's this is all activity by President Trump to stir focus on the importance of Greenland, which has never changed.
10:05
SPEAKER_06: This is pre-World War II, we knew it was important.
10:07
SPEAKER_06: Post-World War II, during the whole Cold War, we knew it was important.
10:11
SPEAKER_06: And we've essentially walked away from it uh in the last, you know, since 1989, since the wall fell.
10:17
SPEAKER_06: Um, and he he realizes it hasn't lost any importance and it needs to have some focus.
10:21
SPEAKER_06: And that's what he's doing.
10:22
SPEAKER_01: And it's just, you know, further proof of the derangement, the Trump derangement uh syndrome going on, you know, that the the media, of course, and and the Democrats would have would have the people believe that uh this is just President Trump, you know, trying to stroke his ego, put another feather in his cap, uh, maybe he wants to put uh Trump igloos there or something.
10:48
SPEAKER_01: You know, like this is how they're portraying it when the higher-ups, and I'm talking about the Democrats and uh the media, they know better.
10:55
SPEAKER_01: But they also know that if they stir up the people who don't know any better, who just you know base their entire uh political understanding, uh geopolitical understanding on sound bites, you know, uh that they're gonna run with that.
11:08
SPEAKER_01: They're like, oh, he just wants to buy it just because he wants to own it, you know.
11:12
SPEAKER_01: That's you know, clearly not the case at all, which anyone with any intellect should automatically know that.
11:19
SPEAKER_01: And the first question really should be.
11:21
SPEAKER_01: And that's you know, just another way to tell how far we've gone and how bad that TES really is, is that, you know, no one is capable, or these people are incapable of taking that pause for thought to say, well, wait a minute, what would be the reason for that?
11:34
SPEAKER_01: Like just simply ask the question because you can find the answer really easily.
11:39
SPEAKER_01: Like it took me five minutes at best, and I think I'm exaggerating, it was like two seconds, to find out the why of why he would do this.
11:47
SPEAKER_01: Um, so now let me say some things I don't quite maybe necessarily understand fully.
11:52
SPEAKER_01: So the resistance isn't anything to do with about um US presence there.
11:59
SPEAKER_01: It's about Trump buying Green.
12:01
SPEAKER_01: That that is the only drama here that they're making, which my guess would be that was probably like uh based on what you're saying, pretty deliberate from Trump, you know, like let's make this a big, massive deal, let's take it in this direction so that we can, you know, correct this course here uh in a way that makes it look like, you know, they think I'm compromising or giving up something when he never wanted it to begin with, you know, in in that way.
12:28
SPEAKER_06: You know, and there's I I looked back since a year ago, January of 2025.
12:33
SPEAKER_06: I found, I think, five different surveys that are being quoted out there.
12:37
SPEAKER_06: Uh, you know, people uh surveyed in Denmark, some people surveyed in Greenland, people surveyed in the United States, people surveyed even in Canada.
12:45
SPEAKER_06: Um, actually, I think total number across all those, I think I found seven in the last year.
12:50
SPEAKER_06: Um, and listen, there is polling data from each one of those that would support whatever argument you want to make.
12:57
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
12:58
SPEAKER_06: You can find data that says that uh Danish people don't care.
13:02
SPEAKER_06: You can find uh polling data that says that people from Greenland would love to be a part of the United States, you can find it that say they don't want anything to do with the United States.
13:09
SPEAKER_06: There's polling data out there that says they don't want to be a part of either one.
13:12
SPEAKER_06: In fact, there's a uh a significant uh Inuit, you know, native Greenlander uh, you know, uh sense out there that they would rather be aligned with uh the Inuit nations in Canada and Alaska than they would with either uh United States or or you know Denmark.
13:28
SPEAKER_06: So there's tons of polling data out there that can support whatever argument you want to make.
13:33
SPEAKER_06: Um but I but I per I really do think, especially when President Trump starts putting dollar signs on things, when he says, here's our offer, or I would offer X amount of dollars, you know, billions of dollars, plus I would offer you know X amount of dollars to the people of Greenland.
13:49
SPEAKER_06: That makes it very, very real.
13:52
SPEAKER_06: When he, the businessman, President Trump, starts putting dollar amounts on things, people start taking him seriously.
13:57
SPEAKER_06: Oh, by the way, that's why he was speaking at the World Economic Forum and not at the United Nations about this or at NATO about this, because he he knows the emphasis on the economics is going to gain more attention.
14:12
SPEAKER_06: The last thing that I'm gonna say about this strategically is, and I'll play a little bit of a game with you.
14:18
SPEAKER_06: You know, there are uh plenty of people out there who have been saying the United States needs to get involved in Ukraine.
14:25
SPEAKER_06: Why?
14:26
SPEAKER_06: Because they're afraid that Putin is going to, if we let him take this, right, then he is gonna keep going and he's gonna take over Europe.
14:34
SPEAKER_06: So clearly Putin is a threat, right?
14:38
SPEAKER_06: That's why we, as a part of NATO, need to get involved in Ukraine, is to stop Putin.
14:43
SPEAKER_06: So if Putin is really a threat, then why is the United States not getting involved in Greenland?
14:48
SPEAKER_06: Because, oh, by the way, the Russian Navy moves through the northern Atlantic all the time.
14:53
SPEAKER_06: But people don't want that the same people who are screaming about us, you know, trying to acquire Greenland or getting involved in Greenland are the same people screaming for us to get involved in Ukraine for the you know, not understanding the strategic connectivity between the two, between the importance of Greenland and the assumed importance in stopping Putin in Ukraine.
15:13
SPEAKER_06: So you've got again, it goes back to TDS.
15:15
SPEAKER_06: People are going to complain about everything that President Trump does, whether they understand it or not, solely because it's something that President Trump does.
15:22
SPEAKER_06: Um I believe that we should be involved in Greenland.
15:25
SPEAKER_06: I don't think that we will or should attempt to purchase it.
15:29
SPEAKER_06: Um, but I know that President Trump is doing that, or I my personal opinion is he's doing that to gain attention by NATO to actually do something uh to present a presence in Greenland that's a deterrent to both China and Russia.
15:42
SPEAKER_01: I fully expect he will he will achieve his goal, his actual goal, and not the one he's uh messing with everyone's head uh over.
15:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I have no doubt in my mind that what he wants to happen will happen.
15:55
SPEAKER_01: He's already proven many times over now that he is a man of his word and he's a man of action.
16:00
SPEAKER_01: So it'll happen.
16:01
SPEAKER_01: Get get ready for it.
16:03
SPEAKER_06: I guess his speech at the at the World Economic Forum lasted a couple of hours today.
16:07
SPEAKER_06: He talked for an entire hour before he ever mentioned Greenland.
16:11
SPEAKER_03: Wow.
16:11
SPEAKER_06: Um, and and when he brought it up, he said, you know, hey, do you do you want me to talk about Greenland?
16:16
SPEAKER_06: And there was actually somebody who yelled from the audience, yes, and start talking about it.
16:22
SPEAKER_06: Um, but there was great applause when he walked into the auditorium when it first started.
16:26
SPEAKER_06: Uh, when he was introduced, there was a massive response from everybody in there because uh they understand his impact on global economy.
16:34
SPEAKER_06: Um, and then you know, things got a little tense when they brought up Greenland.
16:39
SPEAKER_06: Um, you know, and some people walked out saying we don't know if we should take him seriously or not, which again is something that I think he wants.
16:46
SPEAKER_06: He wants people to not know what he's thinking next.
16:49
SPEAKER_06: Um and so mission accomplished for President Trump.
16:52
SPEAKER_01: As you absolutely go, Trump, go hello.
16:57
SPEAKER_01: I'm enjoying it.
16:58
SPEAKER_01: Keep it going.
16:59
SPEAKER_01: Oh, let's see.
17:00
SPEAKER_01: All right.
17:02
SPEAKER_01: I like I almost don't even want to almost don't even want to, because I know my blood pressure will instantly skyrocket.
17:09
SPEAKER_06: Okay, ladies and gentlemen, I just spoke for a segment in Greenland.
17:15
SPEAKER_06: I'm gonna sit back and let Elsa talk on this particular topic.
17:20
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
17:20
SPEAKER_06: I mean, I literally church in Minneapolis, or was it in St.
17:24
SPEAKER_06: Paul?
17:24
SPEAKER_06: I know it's in the tweets.
17:25
SPEAKER_06: St.
17:25
SPEAKER_05: Paul, St.
17:26
SPEAKER_06: Paul, yeah.
17:27
SPEAKER_06: Uh that was uh uh for lack of a better term, uh accosted by anti-ICE protesters.
17:33
SPEAKER_06: Okay, Elsa, go.
17:35
SPEAKER_01: You really want to unleash me?
17:37
SPEAKER_06: Oh yeah.
17:38
SPEAKER_01: Well, listen, I'm laughing right now because that's you know, nothing should be more scary than uh an angry woman who's laughing, like really, you know, and any any man uh with a wife or girlfriend knows that that's true because if the calmer and more we smile when we tell you that we're angry and we're smiling, yeah, it's bad.
17:59
SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, so this was probably one of the lowest of the lows, a despicable, disgusting act, uh disguised as activism and as, you know, truth and all this nonsense garbage.
18:14
SPEAKER_01: And they picked the wrong place, they picked the wrong everything.
18:19
SPEAKER_01: And of course, right in the middle of it all is that raging idiot, Don Lemon, who uh the very sight of uh just makes me so unchristian.
18:29
SPEAKER_01: Really honestly, it does.
18:31
SPEAKER_01: Um, so if you don't know, anti-ace agit anti-ICE agitators from groups like Black Lives Matter, which by the way, really you're still around.
18:39
SPEAKER_01: Don't you have some uh fraud to commit here, some houses, some mansions to buy with uh people's money?
18:44
SPEAKER_01: Uh let's see, the they burst into City's church mid-service chanting justice for Renee Good and Ice Out, uh halting proceedings for 25 minutes.
18:54
SPEAKER_01: They targeted Pastor David, David Easterwood.
18:58
SPEAKER_01: Um, they believe that he is the acting ICE field director in St.
19:02
SPEAKER_01: Paul.
19:03
SPEAKER_01: I like they just they're making an association with him and ICE, which may or not be true.
19:09
SPEAKER_01: There may be a connection or may not be.
19:10
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if that's even been confirmed yet.
19:13
SPEAKER_01: Um, so this is obviously all after the Renee Good.
19:16
SPEAKER_01: They're using uh the Renee Good shooting to assault a peaceful gathering of Christians in church.
19:23
SPEAKER_01: And you know, here's my here's my question to these scumbags.
19:27
SPEAKER_01: Um, would you do that in a mosque?
19:29
SPEAKER_01: The answer is no.
19:30
SPEAKER_01: Would you do it in a synagogue?
19:32
SPEAKER_01: These days, uh probably you would.
19:35
SPEAKER_01: Um, but the fact that it was a Christian church, that these people are just taking that one hour out of the week to pray and to be still and to spend time with God in their community.
19:52
SPEAKER_01: And you people thought that it was acceptable.
19:55
SPEAKER_01: Well, not only is it not acceptable, acceptable, it's it's gonna get you in big trouble.
20:00
SPEAKER_01: It better, it better.
20:02
SPEAKER_01: Let me tell you, this would be the one thing that would sour me quite a bit on the Trump administration, uh, the DOJ, all of them, if they do not file charges against these people.
20:12
SPEAKER_01: Um, just uh, you know, so here's what is this?
20:15
SPEAKER_01: Uh picture, yeah.
20:16
SPEAKER_01: So this is them uh in there shouting, um, just disrupting the service, terrifying.
20:22
SPEAKER_01: There's a picture, and I don't have it right now, but there's a picture of a um small child being comforted uh by his father um in terror.
20:30
SPEAKER_01: He's in tears, he's crying, he is absolutely frightened.
20:33
SPEAKER_01: And to think that this was an acceptable idea on so many levels, this was insanity.
20:39
SPEAKER_01: First of all, a lot of churches these days, a lot of uh people in the congregation, I'm not naming any names, but they carry.
20:47
SPEAKER_01: They're armed.
20:49
SPEAKER_01: And the a lot of these churches, apparently not this one, I don't know.
20:53
SPEAKER_01: Um they have armed guards protecting them.
20:58
SPEAKER_01: So this could have turned deadly.
21:01
SPEAKER_01: This could have turned into something so much bigger than their little fist-waving display in their antics.
21:07
SPEAKER_01: Now let me go back to this idiot.
21:09
SPEAKER_01: And uh I'm sorry, guys, you know I I try and have a little self-control here, but this guy makes me so furious.
21:15
SPEAKER_01: So first of all, he's a cowardly little liar, um, tiny little man.
21:18
SPEAKER_01: This is him before.
21:20
SPEAKER_01: This is what he had to say before.
21:22
SPEAKER_04: Minneapolis, um, a little bit ago, and it's some uh reconnaissance on the ground.
21:28
SPEAKER_04: I'm speaking to an organization now that's gearing up to uh for resistance and protest.
21:32
SPEAKER_04: Um I've been surprised, pleasantly surprised to see the community coming together.
21:36
SPEAKER_04: Um the first community to see that.
21:39
SPEAKER_04: What is what um what operation do we have?
21:42
SPEAKER_04: And as it turns out we're like, oh, that's kind of mega coded, right?
21:45
SPEAKER_04: So the American fly over that these are resistance protests of finding an operation that we're gonna follow them on.
21:50
SPEAKER_04: I can't tell you exactly what they're doing, but it's the operation pull-up.
21:53
SPEAKER_04: Um and it's Akima Armstrong, and she has been doing this since George Floyd, um, Dante Wright, and others, where they surprise people, catch them off guard, and hold them to account.
22:03
SPEAKER_04: And so that's what we're doing here.
22:04
SPEAKER_04: And then we're after that, after we do this operation, you'll see it live.
22:08
SPEAKER_01: And uh let me show you what he had to say after when when he was um being called called uh called to getting um arrested really for this, because uh and he said that you know he didn't know what was going on, or they didn't he didn't know what was he didn't know what they were going to do.
22:27
SPEAKER_01: Clearly, guys, in that video, he knew exactly what was about to happen, where it was about to happen.
22:32
SPEAKER_01: So flat out lie.
22:34
SPEAKER_01: Here's what he had to say after the fact when he got scared of getting in trouble.
22:37
SPEAKER_04: The fake news narratives are losing their mind over something that's not even true.
22:42
SPEAKER_04: I had no affiliation to that organization.
22:44
SPEAKER_04: I didn't even know they were going to this church until we followed them there.
22:47
SPEAKER_04: We were there chronicling protests.
22:50
SPEAKER_04: Once the protest started in the church, we did an act of journalism which was report on it and talk to the people who were involved, which included the pastor, members of the church, and members of the organization.
23:01
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, this jerk was not journalisming, okay?
23:05
SPEAKER_01: That is not journalism.
23:06
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, call that revisionist history.
23:09
SPEAKER_01: Exactly, exactly.
23:11
SPEAKER_01: And there's so many things in both of those videos that we could spend the entire rest of our hour just talking about all of the nonsense that he said.
23:17
SPEAKER_01: His MAGA coded because they were waving flags that there was an American flag there.
23:22
SPEAKER_01: American flags are MAGA-coated.
23:25
SPEAKER_06: And they were white.
23:26
SPEAKER_01: And they were white, yeah.
23:27
SPEAKER_01: So, and he went on in that video to talk about he was so surprised and pleased to see the diversity there.
23:33
SPEAKER_01: Um here's the part that is actually funny to me.
23:38
SPEAKER_01: There is talk about him potentially being uh charged with violating the KKK Act, which I didn't even know it exists, I didn't even know it was the thing, but it is a thing.
23:49
SPEAKER_01: Um, so how much can I tell you what I love were if he were to get charged uh under that act?
23:55
SPEAKER_01: Because that would just be fun, because he is the biggest race baiter on the planet, forever crying, you know, uh about supposed white supremacy and all of that nonsense.
24:06
SPEAKER_01: While while partnered with a white guy, yeah, like make it make sense, like his poor husband, honestly.
24:12
SPEAKER_01: Like, I feel bad for his husband.
24:13
SPEAKER_01: Is he like a like uh emotionally abused?
24:16
SPEAKER_01: I that poor man must wake up every morning and like does he have to like get on his knees and and do an apology for existing to to Don there, you know, just to stay married?
24:26
SPEAKER_06: Uh oh I feel down somebody check on that poor man because he tried to, you know, uh he tried to say that this was well within their First Amendment rights, uh, as freedom of the press and freedom to assemble and all these other things, which is not true, folks.
24:41
SPEAKER_06: Uh you know, uh House of War protected sanctuary.
24:45
SPEAKER_06: You do not have uh, you know, First Amendment rights to just go in there and disrupt uh, you know, if you so choose to.
24:52
SPEAKER_06: Uh so he he doesn't know the law.
24:55
SPEAKER_06: He's trying to hide behind the law.
24:56
SPEAKER_06: Uh maybe he wants to rewrite the law.
24:58
SPEAKER_06: I think this is a continuation of you know the attempts to rid the nation of any Christian churches at all.
25:07
SPEAKER_06: Um I think this falls into it, but he's not the only one.
25:10
SPEAKER_06: There's plenty of revisionists of the people that attended.
25:12
SPEAKER_06: I've seen at least two other people who have like there was a guy who had um you know his phone out the whole time and he was walking between the rows and he was chastising people and he was yelling at them.
25:24
SPEAKER_06: This guy, I've got him, Clay.
25:25
SPEAKER_06: I've got him.
25:26
SPEAKER_06: This lunatic.
25:28
SPEAKER_01: You want to all everybody's blood's gonna boil.
25:30
SPEAKER_03: This lunatic, they're gonna come at me with charges, and I'm not scared of that.
25:33
SPEAKER_03: There's no space for these charges.
25:35
SPEAKER_03: I did not commit any, I did not block them from you know their service.
25:38
SPEAKER_03: All these comfortable white people who are living live, comfortable lives.
25:42
SPEAKER_03: Black children are dragging the concentration camp.
25:44
SPEAKER_03: We're living real life white lives in your lobby.
25:47
SPEAKER_03: We're doing absolutely nothing for the lock.
25:48
SPEAKER_03: You know, it's the bolly brother.
26:06
SPEAKER_03: Why do we not whip a whip with the volume?
26:08
SPEAKER_03: Why do I not be on a whip every day for protesting with the baby?
26:17
SPEAKER_03: Living real comfortable other people starve.
26:20
SPEAKER_01: I mean, absolute raging lunatic is what this guy is.
26:24
SPEAKER_01: And uh, you know, here's the thing though.
26:26
SPEAKER_01: I mean, where are the arrests?
26:28
SPEAKER_01: Where are the arrests?
26:29
SPEAKER_01: These people should be arrested.
26:31
SPEAKER_01: Uh why is this not happening?
26:32
SPEAKER_01: And you know, and I see this in the I made a video about it.
26:35
SPEAKER_01: I see this in the comments section the whole time.
26:37
SPEAKER_01: Uh, you know, and everybody has got that, and we've talked about this in the past with all of the things that are going on.
26:42
SPEAKER_01: Like, there's so much talk.
26:43
SPEAKER_01: Well, we're investigating it, well, we're looking into it, while we're talking about it, they're considering this, freaking do it enough for any.
26:51
SPEAKER_01: How much more evidence can you ask for?
26:53
SPEAKER_01: It's it's all right there, recorded, put on every social media platform.
26:58
SPEAKER_01: Like, there's no freaking question here.
27:00
SPEAKER_01: This, I mean, it just has to stop.
27:02
SPEAKER_01: And a strong message needs to be sent because if you can't, you're trying to intimidate people from going to church.
27:08
SPEAKER_01: You think you're gonna scare people, and you will.
27:10
SPEAKER_01: This will scare some of the more milder, gentler people from going to church because they'll be afraid of what might happen or who might show up, you know, and it's gonna cause some other people to react in exactly the opposite way.
27:24
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, that's exactly what I was gonna say is that it will escalate.
27:27
SPEAKER_06: Um, like you said, there everyone involved was very lucky that that was not one of the churches where, as you stated, people either they have armed guards or members of the congregation carry and and is endorsed by you know the church leadership that, you know, um, and that this didn't escalate to violence of a of a of another level.
27:47
SPEAKER_06: Um, you know, make no mistake, this could have gone horribly wrong for everybody.
27:52
SPEAKER_06: Um, and and really the entire church would have been demonized.
27:57
SPEAKER_06: Um, they would have taken all of the blame for this because that's how this works.
28:01
SPEAKER_06: That is actually probably someone in the leadership of that protest was probably hoping that this turned violent for that exact reason, so that they could use that against um, you know, the church, et cetera, uh, and the members of the church, and and use it for you know forever in in social media postings, uh, you know, for their quote unquote cause for good.
28:23
SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, I think, you know, besides, yeah, besides Don Lemon being um, you know, and that guy being two of the most disgusting parts of that whole scene.
28:32
SPEAKER_01: Uh, the woman, I saw another video, um, I think with him talking with the woman that organized this particular one, and she referred to herself as a reverend.
28:41
SPEAKER_01: And let me tell you, lady, you are a disgrace.
28:44
SPEAKER_01: You are an abomination to the clergy, whatever it is that you claim to be a reverend of, I can't even imagine.
28:51
SPEAKER_01: Um, but you have no business leading anyone in any type of religious, faith-based sense.
28:57
SPEAKER_01: You're disgusting.
28:58
SPEAKER_06: So and and like everything else that's going on in Minnesota right now, as soon as these people identify themselves, the internet does what the internet does.
29:07
SPEAKER_06: Like that lady, I think, is the same person who people have now done research, right?
29:12
SPEAKER_06: Including pulled her tax records.
29:14
SPEAKER_06: So she is a paid, so she is paid uh a ridiculous amount of money as a leader in a charity organization.
29:22
SPEAKER_06: And when I say a ridiculous amount of money, I'm talking in excess of$150,000 to$200,000 a year to a charity organization that, based on their tax records, only donated or gave away less than her salary last year in donations.
29:39
SPEAKER_06: So they had a number of surprise$200,000 and only gave away like$115,000 in donations, right?
29:46
SPEAKER_06: So she is now being investigated for levels of fraud associated with who she is and what she does.
29:53
SPEAKER_06: So, you know, but I agree with you.
29:55
SPEAKER_06: That's great, and it's great that it becomes public knowledge, but there has got to be repercussions on the backside of this for her, for the guy in the beard, right, for Don Laman.
30:06
SPEAKER_06: Um they all need to be held accountable for their actions because again, if they did this in a mosque or if this was done in reverse, right, you know, in in some form or fashion, you know, there would be things, you know, they would be demanding the same accountability, which which isn't going on right now.
30:22
SPEAKER_01: Right.
30:23
SPEAKER_01: Oh, they'd be losing their absolute, they'd be rioting right now.
30:26
SPEAKER_01: I mean, what else is new?
30:27
SPEAKER_01: You know, it's forever riot season for them.
30:29
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, I'm uh I'm super sick and tired of all of it.
30:32
SPEAKER_01: This was uh in my mind, you know, this was probably like a final straw.
30:36
SPEAKER_01: Like that there's that's the one place you stay the heck out of.
30:41
unknown: Yeah.
30:41
SPEAKER_01: Do not cross that line.
30:42
SPEAKER_01: And I can tell you right now, my church, we don't play.
30:46
SPEAKER_01: We don't play.
30:47
SPEAKER_01: It's the way it's gotta be nowadays on the yeah, yeah, it's disgusting that that's the way it's gotta be.
30:52
SPEAKER_01: Um, but it does.
30:53
SPEAKER_01: And and I hope, you know, I hope all I hope all Christian churches are really seriously taking note of of this event and having those hard meetings right now uh before their next services, because if nothing happens from this, if there is no consequence to this, this will further embolden them to do it more and in more places.
31:15
SPEAKER_01: It's already bad enough that they're getting the attention for it that they wanted.
31:19
SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, unfortunately, it's impossible for this not to be national news because you you know both sides need to call it out for whatever their reasons are.
31:27
SPEAKER_01: You've got your nefarious reasons because you think it's a great thing and your, you know, righteous outrage reasons, which is why we're talking about it.
31:35
SPEAKER_01: Um so unfortunately, they do get their notoriety no matter what, um, but it will embolden more groups to do that.
31:42
SPEAKER_01: So um the reaction has to be swift and internal.
31:46
SPEAKER_01: And and you know, there was a thing about the police not showing up um in a timely manner, but you know, we're talking about Walls has told their police departments to stand down and not get involved, and they're complying with that.
31:57
SPEAKER_06: So I my question though is I I know what Governor Walls says, and I don't really care, right?
32:03
SPEAKER_06: Every police department has its own legal and lawful responsibility to do what they're supposed to be doing.
32:08
SPEAKER_06: Somebody from Minnesota, please chime in in the comments.
32:11
SPEAKER_06: Is there are the twin cities one mayor or two mayors?
32:15
SPEAKER_06: I I think there's still two mayors, right?
32:17
SPEAKER_06: We all know the mayor of Minneapolis is an idiot, right?
32:19
SPEAKER_06: He's been subpoenaed along with uh Governor Walls, right?
32:22
SPEAKER_06: That is all going to be under investigation.
32:24
SPEAKER_06: We have not seen it move over to St.
32:27
SPEAKER_06: Paul until this incident.
32:29
SPEAKER_06: So we haven't seen or heard anything from their mayor, their police chief, or any of the folks in their, you know, uh, you know, kind of chain.
32:37
SPEAKER_06: But I don't know.
32:38
SPEAKER_06: I assume that they are still separate two cities, Minneapolis and St.
32:42
SPEAKER_06: Paul, uh, and that they don't share a mayor.
32:44
SPEAKER_06: But somebody from Minnesota, please, you know, fill us in.
32:47
SPEAKER_06: I I don't know how that works up there.
32:49
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
32:49
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
32:50
SPEAKER_01: Uh moves right into the next topic.
32:52
SPEAKER_01: Well, I stayed pretty calm.
32:54
SPEAKER_01: I actually managed to I managed to not swear.
32:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
32:58
SPEAKER_01: Listen, I'm just I'm just impressed with that alone.
33:01
SPEAKER_01: Oh, let's talk about this.
33:02
SPEAKER_01: Now, this is what a surprise.
33:04
SPEAKER_01: I I cannot believe how many times uh this place has been in the conversation, but here we are still again, over and over again.
33:14
SPEAKER_01: Um with more, like it I guess the like overview of the show could just be a a study of hypocrisy, right?
33:23
SPEAKER_01: It's the hypocrisy show.
33:25
SPEAKER_01: Let's talk about it.
33:26
SPEAKER_01: Um, what a surprise.
33:28
SPEAKER_01: Did you see um I'll I'll pull it up too, uh, the picture of the citizens, the protesters now with uh whatever he had, some kind of long gun, I don't know what it was, some type of rifle, I think he had on him.
33:39
SPEAKER_01: Just sitting there on the hood of his car, like this is where we're at now.
33:43
SPEAKER_01: I mean, you y'all are just taking us to the next level of stupid.
33:47
SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah.
33:48
SPEAKER_01: So go ahead, Clay.
33:50
SPEAKER_01: Go ahead.
33:50
SPEAKER_01: I just ran my mouth the whole time.
33:52
SPEAKER_01: Go ahead.
33:53
SPEAKER_06: So, you know, one of the perpetual arguments about the Second Amendment is, you know, why is it there and what does it mean and what's the interpretation, right?
34:02
SPEAKER_06: So, you know, supporters, habitual supporters of the Second Amendment, not conditional supporters, which we have right now.
34:09
SPEAKER_06: Habitual supporters of the Second Amendment will tell you that for personal protection, for protection of your family, your possessions, etc., you know, that is one of the key components to why the Second Amendment exists.
34:21
SPEAKER_06: There is also the component of the well-regulated militia, you know, the argument out about quote unquote weapons of war, right?
34:28
SPEAKER_06: Should citizens have access to all of these things.
34:31
SPEAKER_06: Um, and and so the argument is about government overreach and danger to the average citizen by the government, which again, habitual supporters of the Second Amendment are the ones who argue for the ability for an average citizen to own things like AR-15s, right?
34:48
SPEAKER_06: You know, I know Walt classified it as a weapon of war, right?
34:52
SPEAKER_06: And we'll get to him in a second, but that is one of the arguments about the Second Amendment.
34:57
SPEAKER_06: Should you be allowed to have weapons like that for your own protection?
35:01
SPEAKER_06: And those that don't habitually support the Second Amendment will tell you there's no reason to have those.
35:06
SPEAKER_06: The government is never going to overreach like that.
35:09
SPEAKER_06: Um, you don't have to worry about them attacking regular civilians.
35:12
SPEAKER_06: Um, oh, by the way, they have tanks and airplanes, so what's a you know, a rifle like an air scene gonna do?
35:17
SPEAKER_06: They'll make every excuse in the book for the average citizen not to be able to own one of those things.
35:22
SPEAKER_06: But yet here we are in Minneapolis, and what we have is anti-ICE, right?
35:28
SPEAKER_06: So anti-ICE pro whatever you want to call them, yeah.
35:33
SPEAKER_06: Protesters who are standing in the streets open carrying AR-15s.
35:39
SPEAKER_06: Let me tell you, folks, these are not the habitual supporters of the Second Amendment.
35:45
SPEAKER_06: And and this is it, it's it's people are doing it.
35:48
SPEAKER_06: Right.
35:49
SPEAKER_06: He's got Governor Walls, who has been habitually anti-gun when it comes to things like AR-15s, right?
35:56
SPEAKER_06: He's that remember everybody, he I carried one of those in combat.
36:00
SPEAKER_06: No, you didn't.
36:00
SPEAKER_06: I carried yeah, people don't need those.
36:03
SPEAKER_06: Yes, they do.
36:04
SPEAKER_06: He hasn't said a word, and I'm sure you're gonna pull the picture up because you talked about it, and I know the guy that you're talking about.
36:09
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, right.
36:10
SPEAKER_06: If you've got it, pull it up.
36:12
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, I will.
36:13
SPEAKER_01: I'll put it in there.
36:13
SPEAKER_01: I'll have to put it in after.
36:15
SPEAKER_06: So this guy, this guy says he is protecting his neighborhood against ice.
36:19
SPEAKER_06: Okay, and I've seen, because folks, it's obvious I'm a gun guy.
36:24
SPEAKER_06: Um, you know, there's been a lot of uh a lot of analysis about this guy standing there, and I've seen everything from people saying it's an airsoft gun uh to people photoshopping the orange tip on the suppressor.
36:37
SPEAKER_06: Let me tell you something, folks.
36:38
SPEAKER_06: I've seen high-resolution photos and some great analysis done by some folks.
36:41
SPEAKER_06: This guy is holding a very high-end build of an AR-15.
36:46
SPEAKER_06: That guy is standing there.
36:48
SPEAKER_06: Now, listen, this guy couldn't fight for more than three minutes, he couldn't run 100 yards, he's not the guy you want to protect in your neighborhood, but he's standing there with probably an access of$4,000 worth of gun on the street corner because he is protecting his neighborhood from ice.
37:03
SPEAKER_06: So, for all of you anti-Second Amendment folks, please go fix that.
37:09
SPEAKER_01: Right.
37:10
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, where where are you?
37:10
SPEAKER_01: Because you're awfully dead silent on this.
37:12
SPEAKER_01: You don't have a problem with that.
37:13
SPEAKER_01: You have a problem with with he didn't get a word from Governor Walsh.
37:17
SPEAKER_06: No, he didn't get he didn't get anything from anybody.
37:19
SPEAKER_01: Nope.
37:20
SPEAKER_01: Suddenly guns aren't the problem, right?
37:22
SPEAKER_06: Right.
37:23
SPEAKER_06: It's okay to have those when you're protecting yourself from the government, which I think is what everybody else has been saying for you know decades about the Second Amendment.
37:35
SPEAKER_06: But now it's okay.
37:36
SPEAKER_06: Now it's entirely okay.
37:37
SPEAKER_01: In this specific circumstance, it's entirely okay.
37:41
SPEAKER_01: And we're not gonna get mad about that, we're not gonna clutch our pearls because this, for instance, is okay because it benefits us, it's what we believe in.
37:52
SPEAKER_01: It's it's defending our point and our position, and that is why these people are so freaking dangerous and horrible.
38:00
SPEAKER_01: They are literally the worst.
38:04
SPEAKER_01: They are so conditional on everything that they do, and they don't even see it.
38:10
SPEAKER_01: They don't see, or maybe they do, they just don't care.
38:13
SPEAKER_01: They just don't care, they don't care at all.
38:15
SPEAKER_06: It's just yeah, and it's and it and it's and it's gonna get worse.
38:20
SPEAKER_06: Um, you know, this there is uh you know, the the shooting.
38:25
SPEAKER_06: Um, you know, last week we talked about it on last week's show about Ms.
38:29
SPEAKER_06: Good.
38:29
SPEAKER_06: Um you know, people are now for on both sides of this discussion, you're gonna see an increase in people carrying legally and illegally, people are going to be carrying.
38:41
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, and you know, obviously that escalates the potential for violence.
38:45
SPEAKER_06: Um, and so, you know, this is one of those points in time where we need the police department to step in.
38:52
SPEAKER_06: We need the police chief to step in, we need the mayor to step in.
38:56
SPEAKER_06: Um, and but they're the ones who continue, especially the mayor.
39:00
SPEAKER_06: Um, in fact, they had a little bit of a you know a two-toned press conference this week where you had the mayor inflaming all kinds of stuff, and then you had the police chief that stepped in and tried to tam things down.
39:11
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, there was a visual facial reaction by both of them as the others spoke.
39:16
SPEAKER_06: Yes.
39:16
SPEAKER_06: Um, but uh clearly we're not in agreement here.
39:19
SPEAKER_06: Governor Waltz needs to step in.
39:21
SPEAKER_06: They need to make an example of this guy.
39:23
SPEAKER_06: If he really believes in this anti-2A, no one should own an AR-15, like nobody from the state of Minnesota is stepping out and saying, this is the wrong answer.
39:31
SPEAKER_06: But you're not seeing that because, like you said, it fits their narrative, it fits their purpose and their cause right now.
39:38
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
39:39
SPEAKER_06: And I'll answer this.
39:40
SPEAKER_06: I even as a gun guy, I am I have plenty of friends and relatives who are anti 2A and anti, you know, especially AR 15s.
39:48
SPEAKER_06: And I haven't seen a single person poke that guy and say this is the wrong answer.
39:53
SPEAKER_01: Nobody not a single one.
39:55
SPEAKER_01: No, and they they won't, they won't.
39:57
SPEAKER_01: Again, it's uh, you know, whatever whatever supports their narrative and their system of beliefs, um, that is they'll they'll turn a blind they'll turn a blind eye to their supposed convictions and their their beliefs and their, you know, that's the part that is so wild, isn't it?
40:14
SPEAKER_01: Like you can take the same person, literally, like basically you're saying the same person who was, you know, a few weeks ago uh shaking their fist and raging against uh you know violence and guns and all of that when it comes to ICE agents and federal agents and just law enforcement in general.
40:33
SPEAKER_01: But when it comes to this, not a peep, not a peep.
40:38
SPEAKER_01: And nothing to say about it.
40:40
SPEAKER_01: Or if they do, if you're cornered them, they'd probably say, well that's different.
40:43
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
40:43
SPEAKER_01: That's different.
40:44
SPEAKER_01: Exactly right.
40:45
SPEAKER_01: You know, it's totally different.
40:46
SPEAKER_01: It's not the same.
40:48
SPEAKER_01: Oh my goodness.
40:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
40:50
SPEAKER_01: It's I like you said Clay, this is this is a recipe for uh worse things to come.
40:56
SPEAKER_01: Um I agree with you.
40:57
SPEAKER_01: Uh people will, you know, who maybe are gun owners um but don't necessarily carry all the time.
41:03
SPEAKER_01: They will be carrying all the time now.
41:05
SPEAKER_01: You know I've watched so much of that footage of these absolute raging lunatics um running up to there was just one I watched today the um a mob of them ran up to a car that was uh probably I think it was just stopped at a stoplight and they uh suspected that the people in the car were conservative.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know what made them think that but they suspected that they were and they started banging on the doors opened the the pass uh the backseat passengers um door and started kicking the person in there and that the people in the car just ended up like driving off uh you know speeding off uh the moment they had a chance to but um you know this is what they're doing don't don't even think about it it would be an extremely bad idea but yeah this this is a recipe for extremely bad tragic senseless things to happen because the leadership in those cities and states are not doing their job they're not putting the brakes on this they're they're using worse they're making it worse they're using inflammatory language they're inciting uh all of these things and you know again somebody brought it up on social media of course uh you know where where are the insurrection calls uh against walls and uh fray you know how about that that you just basically told people to defy ice and to fight back and do all of that you caused this so where are the charges where as my theme of the day where are the charges I want to see them in handcuffs lock them up do it I think it's a general consensus right now uh listen changing gears completely completely not really I know not really I guess more hypocrisy and more where's the charges where are the charges come on dude um so this guy do I have some video for this guy I thought I had some video for this guy I'll put it up when I find it um yeah wow so Timothy Busfield actor um I remember some of like his older stuff I knew who he was right away uh he is married to uh Melissa Gilbert Little House on the prairie uh talk about tarnishing an image for permanently now with all of this um so another celebrity scandal exposes the indoor uh the industry's underbelly this time a beloved I don't know if he's a beloved actor but uh facing the unthinkable Timothy Busfield who's 68 I know he's 68 uh he's known for 30 that's the one I watched him in 30 something that's the one I remember him from uh and the West Wing I think that's his most recent or one of them uh he surrendered January 13th in New Mexico on two counts of criminal sexual contact with a minor and one child abuse charge tied to alleged incidents with 11-year-old twins on the cleaning lady set which was uh from 22 to 24 uh 2022 2024 he denies it calls the claims lies from vengeful parents after the boys firing oh sorry I couldn't read that firing uh he passed a lie direct uh lie detector test uh for his team for his team uh let's see he was released on January 20th pending trial um he's got some other allegations in the past against him one from a 16 year old girl um he was never charged uh so I don't know and I suspect you know as always what happens with these things is more people will now come out of the woodwork saying you know oh yeah he he assaulted me too and and I'm not making light of that I'm not saying that it didn't happen by any means uh I'm saying because there was so much abuse of that whole Me Too um era um you now we I think we all now kind of come in and go, hmm well we'll see we'll see I don't know if I believe it or not which is kind of sad.
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SPEAKER_06: Don't know if this is true or not you know I don't know it it's interesting for a couple of reasons.
44:51
SPEAKER_06: One, um you're exactly right the Me Too movement which was we have to believe the victims right now we we all know there's tons of evidence of pedophilia running through Hollywood um that's been going on for a while there's plenty if you don't believe that there's pedophilia in Hollywood you're like I I don't know where you've been for the last 20 years but beyond naive all you have to know about is the two quaries um you know that's enough but yeah regardless of that the Me Too movement was exactly that we have to believe the victims first right and right now that that is not what that is not Hollywood's reaction to that.
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah maybe he's a nice guy don't care right um the interesting part of the politics of Hollywood is that Melissa Gilbert like you said Little House on the prairie right she was the president of SAG for a long very long time.
45:44
SPEAKER_06: Right?
45:44
SPEAKER_06: Yes um so a person of significant influence within the industry um and and so that potentially bleeds into this as well um she supposedly played some sort of weird or she had some sort of weird role in this um that I don't know I I don't know if it gives her any level of guilt but um I it was repeated a number of times that she actually gave Christmas presents to these two kids while they worked with her husband.
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah I somehow I don't think that's terribly uncommon.
46:13
SPEAKER_06: I think you know actors working with each other especially when they work with kids you know that those things happen.
46:19
SPEAKER_06: So I I don't I don't think that makes her guilty and I don't think it really even adds to a level of guilt for him.
46:25
SPEAKER_06: Right.
46:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah it's only becomes a little sinister sounding sinister sounding after the fact in light of the allegations otherwise in any other normal other circumstance that would be just a kind of normal thing to happen.
46:36
SPEAKER_01: Now of course you look back well is she you know part of grooming these kids or buying their silence or you know who knows what um yeah you know honestly I I I mean unless there's you know I'm on the facts girl uh you know unless unless there's concrete evidence if they can you know show that then um you know so it's like one of those weird things like on either end I wouldn't be surprised wouldn't be surprised if he didn't wouldn't be surprised if he didn't like what a weird freaking world we live in that it is and so you know again back to the me too thing and and I am facts based with you I I really am like I'm not I'm not crucifying this guy even better than about that than I am.
47:16
SPEAKER_06: But and I'll do a comparative right if there is any inkling of child abuse sexual abuse in the Catholic church people immediately assume guilt right because there is so much historical evidence of it that has come out in the last 30 years.
47:36
SPEAKER_06: If you said if there was anything that came out about a Catholic priest or a nun or some leadership within a church and some kid said I was abused by so and so everybody would assume that it is 100% true.
47:49
SPEAKER_06: My question is why is the public reaction not the same for Hollywood when you do have that kind of evidence throughout the last 30 years that we now know that there's habitual and has been habitual sexual abuse with children.
48:05
SPEAKER_06: And and why does everybody including the people you know friends of his like Danny Masterson I go to that one right sexual assault right that guy forever yeah and he had coworkers who were like oh he's a great guy I don't believe this for a second you know and of course dead wrong dead wrong dead wrong like it's Timothy Busfield had the same thing.
48:29
SPEAKER_06: Like we would all expect his wife you know to defend it nobody would expect any difference.
48:34
SPEAKER_06: But but people he has worked with oh no I don't believe that for a second they've made public statements like I don't know how anybody in their right mind nowadays could come out that quickly and that definitively and say not possible.
48:45
SPEAKER_01: Right right yeah it's it's weird you'd you'd think especially people in the public eye like that you would think that they would want to be way more careful about um I guess just about who they stand behind who they I mean I certainly listen um if you feel that you know somebody through and through and you are loyal to the core and you want to I you know I I I think that's that's a great quality be that loyal to somebody um but you know common sense would kind of tell you maybe take a little pause right like maybe you temper that statement a little bit with take a little pause yeah yeah take that pause and think about that for a moment and say listen you know maybe a better statement if you're one of these supporters is to say you know uh I I love the person that I know him to be if there if there is something that I don't know about you know that is something I will have to address and come to terms with at a later time but I can't make a statement on it like you better head your moments there a little bit.
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SPEAKER_06: So listen folks this is another one that we'll have to wait and see on um you know the only reason we we even brought it because of the oddity of the situation but also like where did Me Too go really especially Hollywood who was truthfully leading the Me Too charge and now all of a sudden it has become a non-thing when it with regards to children.
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SPEAKER_06: And that in and of itself is is disturbing.
50:13
SPEAKER_01: I think honestly Clay I think the the um that lukewarm reaction you get from them now has a lot to do with the unearthing um or exposure of the the widespread pedophilia that is that they're a part of um and I think that they just try and stay real quiet about it, hope it'll go away and they don't want to call any attention to themselves you know because this has been now a very huge topic.
50:45
SPEAKER_01: It's been one of the biggest things that has turned the average American uh at least on the conservative side away from um going to their movies watching their shows I know I don't watch any of them I don't watch anything past a certain date for the most part unless I know um you know enough details about it.
51:04
SPEAKER_06: But well and you're starting to see a different reaction from Hollywood on when it comes to politics.
51:08
SPEAKER_06: I mean Mark Ruffalo just got canned the other day uh based on his conduct at the Golden Globes.
51:12
SPEAKER_06: I mean that guy lost a$500 million contract because he doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut um you know and keep his politics out of his work.
51:20
SPEAKER_06: Hollywood again is starting to see and realize the impact of these people um on the box office, on their bottom line and and they're going back to it seems like business versus virtue signaling uh you know kind of when it when it gets down to the nuts and bolts of things.
51:37
SPEAKER_06: So um you know I again Timothy Busfield you know folks Elsa and I are not you know claiming this guy is guilty or having any knowledge of of anything at all.
51:47
SPEAKER_06: We're just interested in that how this case you know is is a different reaction in Hollywood right now, which is again is disturbing.
51:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah yeah absolutely so we'll see what happens with that um no matter what you know if those uh children are victims uh to any victim uh real legitimate victim out there um you know our hearts go out to them and what a terrible thing listen Hollywood is no place for children I'm so tired of the and there have been some amazing um child actor adult child actors namely uh I don't remember his name but he was the guy from Leave It to Beaver I think he was like the older brother who actually spearheaded an organization to help protect children right to help protect children child actors and uh give them some of the protections that they need in that industry and uh I don't know what the heck happened to that and and why they're not being protected as they should be but you know one look at the large percentage of child stars that are now into adulthood let's start right on you know the first one that comes to everybody's mind is Britney Spears but you know uh you look at all of them and how uh just traumatically this has affected them this experience in life has affected them and they just don't have the protections in place and I'll even extend that to by the way I'll even extend that to even more of a Wild West um social media you know these these social media families putting their kids uh their personal lives all out on display like it's a like it's a reality show and these kids don't consent to that they're too young to consent to having their lives filmed and I I think there should be protections from them.
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SPEAKER_01: Your kids don't belong on social media I'm sorry uh that's probably gonna make some people you know offended and insulted I don't really care uh it is not healthy it's not beneficial sure it may put money in your pockets it may generate an income for you but is it in the best interest of your children's well being so you know just some food for thought.
53:40
SPEAKER_06: No I and you know this I I'm super protective.
53:43
SPEAKER_06: It was the best piece of advice I got before I started publishing you know as an author was protect your family and and that's and that's what I do.
53:50
SPEAKER_06: So and and you know this is all part of it.
53:53
SPEAKER_01: So yeah um yeah all right we got a last thing to mention here it's not really a uh segment but we have a new segment idea and we're gonna need you guys for that I'm a little nervous about it to be honest with you um stir in the pot looking for trouble um so you know uh we've talked about the comment section many times uh in our wariness of it but uh it's that double-edged sword we need it it helps us it benefits us I mean I'm not gonna call it anything other than what it is uh interaction and engagement is a huge part of helping a show a content creator a podcast wherever the case is uh to help them grow and build their platform we need engagement for that um and I say that knowing full well that some of that engagement isn't always nice and friendly and full of hearts and flowers and love sometimes it is not that at all uh as we talked about right at the top of the show uh some of the comments um so nonetheless nonetheless um we're thinking it might be a fun idea to close out the show with uh pulling up some comments a you know maybe one or a couple or a few whatever the case is uh comments from the previous week's show and um discussing it and responding to it good or bad whatever it is good or bad and I'll give you do we have a minute yeah we got a minute um so this one came in there was a there was a bunch but this one came in um you know last week that I I felt compelled to address um because it was uh my mouth it was from my mouth that I I did use the words basically so uh if you can't read it or if you're listening um the comment was Nick Shirley did not quote unquote basically break the story of the Somali fraud racket single-handedly the guy who did seven years okay uh seven years I think of doing the research found Nick Shirley and asked him if he could put it on his YouTube channel.
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SPEAKER_01: They walked and drove around together as the guy gave him the 411 on each place they visited.
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SPEAKER_06: So um yes so I'm addressing this one because I think it's a I think it's a uh a good correction of a misstatement that I made and I am humble enough humble enough to admit when I misspoke so I misspoke I did not give credit due uh word should events though I appreciate him calling me out I don't think you need to put the air quotes you know around basically I need to leave the sarcasm out dude just correct somebody nicely how about that but there it is so there's just an example of that we will have tons more I'm sure so who knows to remember folks we are not live so I there's there's uh like I said you know we where there's often comments asking who I am and why I'm on this show uh but also there are people who are asking us questions expecting an immediate response as if we're reading them the comments while the show is going on this is prerecorded and released.
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SPEAKER_06: We know it says live on Facebook and it says live on YouTube but this in in 99% of the cases is not a live show.
56:56
SPEAKER_06: So um but this gives us an opportunity to answer some of your questions if you have them to address some of your things like Elsa just did um but but you're not gonna get a live response you know when you do this because we record the day before um and and before the release um but also please you know I I've been called I I think a goober was probably the one I've been called Elsa has been called some things um we're not gonna address things like that we're not gonna Elsa is not going to address why aren't you doing the Kamala Harris laugh anymore right um like these are it we are happy to do interaction and we encourage it and we love it but let's do some some you know good interactions some quality stuff if we make a mistake call us out for it and we'll admit to it like Elsa just did and uh I'm looking forward to this I think this is going to be great.
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SPEAKER_01: I look forward to the interaction uh with the listeners and the viewers so it's just a little forewarning too if you don't want that to possibly be you coming up on the screen um you know just just know that you could you could be up on that screen with us and uh you know we might be talking about something you said and we're never gonna be uh terribly rude I mean we might might be a little combative if if if the comment calls for it and all it's all gonna depend.
58:09
SPEAKER_01: So just know that if you comment you may see your name up on this screen.
58:13
SPEAKER_01: So if you don't want that to happen you know what to not do.
58:17
SPEAKER_06: But I encourage you to do it and maybe you'll become famous.
58:20
SPEAKER_01: You never do that right I mean listen there there is a whole there was a I I gotta I gotta tell this because I think it's really funny um there was on TikTok there was a comment section of a video and the woman was talking about um she just commented it was just the comment about 365 buttons have you heard anything about this SNL did a actually did a skit on it.
58:41
SPEAKER_01: So this woman's comment went so viral like there were so many responses to this comment and it actually went viral.
58:49
SPEAKER_01: So it wasn't the video that went viral it was the comment that this person left on there.
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SPEAKER_06: So you never know you could be the next uh snl skit just from leaving a comment how about that wow yeah praising yeah yeah look it up it's brilliant never can tell never can tell all right well that's all I've got anything you want to tell them before we send them on their way no no folks uh we're looking forward to this we love the audience interaction and uh you know the world's a crazy place so be safe make good decisions about you your life your family etc and uh you know for me when in doubt as always keep moving keep shooting I love it now more than ever choose all right guys take care see you in the next one bye bye the headlines will change by tomorrow but the patterns won't thanks for spending this time with us we'll be back to keep asking the harder questions and telling the quieter truths until then stay grounded be discerning and we'll see you next time