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BUSTED! ARMED AND DANGEROUS Crab Walking Killer Attacked by CANINES · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: It's over double killer Danello Cavalcante is in custody.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation
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  Speaker 2: in series XM one eleven. Take a listen to this.
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  Speaker 4: Last night, shortly after midnight, a series of events started
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  Speaker 4: to unfold. First, we had a burglar alarm at a
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  Speaker 4: residence near Prizer Road within the perimeter. Our people investigated that,
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  Speaker 4: did not find Cavalcante there or anyone else, but it
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  Speaker 4: brought it started to bring some of our people into
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  Speaker 4: that area. We had been searching an area not far
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  Speaker 4: from there already with some tactical teams. That night was
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  Speaker 4: an aircraft overhead utilizing Fleer technology and close to one
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  Speaker 4: am picked up a heat signal that they began to track.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going to go from A to Z first
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  Speaker 2: with an all star panel. I'm going to go to
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  Speaker 2: Eddie Cadam, investigative reporter with Fox twenty nine.
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  Speaker 3: Out of Philly.
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  Speaker 2: Eddie, thank you for being with us. I want to
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  Speaker 2: focus on what I just heard. Are you telling me
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  Speaker 2: that at one am, LA law enforcement was up in
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  Speaker 2: the air looking for any heat heated movement in the
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  Speaker 2: brush and in the woods. One am there in the
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  Speaker 2: air with a helicopter.
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  Speaker 5: One am a plane that was up in the air
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  Speaker 5: flying around in circles. The way that it was described as,
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  Speaker 5: it's like a cone that can kind of look down
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  Speaker 5: into the woods.
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  Speaker 2: So, Eddie Cadam, while everybody else is asleep in their beds,
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  Speaker 2: you got law enforcement up there working through the night
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  Speaker 2: twenty four to seven. Now I understand saying it was
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  Speaker 2: a d E a plane.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, that's correct, Nancy, a DEA plane with infrared technology
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  Speaker 5: on it.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, fixed wing guys with me an all star panel
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  Speaker 2: or brand joining me, Douglas McGregor joining me, Doctor Gorniette,
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  Speaker 2: Karen Start and Nima Ramani to you, Douglas McGregor, Geographic
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  Speaker 2: profile or specializing and the hunt for missing people and fugitives.
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  Speaker 2: You can find them at the g A profile or
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  Speaker 2: explain to me how the infrared system works. Dan, We've
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  Speaker 2: got a d A fixed wing plane with infrared capability.
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  Speaker 6: Just as you mentioned the you know, the plane flying over.
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  Speaker 6: They scan a certain area and they try to pick
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  Speaker 6: up the heat signature from you know, objects below. So
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  Speaker 6: obviously they're looking for a human in this case, it
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  Speaker 6: could pick up animals or other objects as well. And
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  Speaker 6: and cavilcante. He if he knows that the technology is
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  Speaker 6: being used, he can, you know, put in countermeasures to
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  Speaker 6: avoid that technology.
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  Speaker 2: When you say that there are counter measures to fight
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  Speaker 2: thermal imaging, I mean.
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  Speaker 3: Most of us.
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  Speaker 2: Well, okay, I have been on searches where thermal images
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  Speaker 2: are used, but most people only know about thermal imaging
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  Speaker 2: through like a James Bond movie or you know, something
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  Speaker 2: like that high technology. So what is a potential countermeasure
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  Speaker 2: that can be used against thermal imagery?
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  Speaker 3: That's what Ellie is doing up in the air at
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  Speaker 3: one a m.
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  Speaker 2: What's a countermeasure to thermal imaging technology?
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  Speaker 6: Accounter measure can be a barrier, so he could be
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  Speaker 6: inside and it may not penetrate whatever he's behind, like
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  Speaker 6: for example, a wall water could be a countermeasure. Anything
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  Speaker 6: that significantly cools down his body could be accounter measure.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I see, I see what you're saying. Douglas McGregor,
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  Speaker 3: a Gee graphic profiler.
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  Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, there were problems late last
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  Speaker 2: night with the thermal imaging. Take a listen to hour
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  Speaker 2: cut seventy eight from Fox two nine.
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  Speaker 7: In the beginning of this, it was so hot that
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  Speaker 7: they were saying they were having issues. So they have
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  Speaker 7: been using thermal imaging from the beginning. But the problem
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  Speaker 7: is we were dealing with temperatures in the nineties and
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  Speaker 7: the heat index was so high that it was hard
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  Speaker 7: to make that happen to have it be effective. But
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  Speaker 7: we have had rain and things have cooled off over
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  Speaker 7: the past twenty four hours or so.
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  Speaker 2: So while they are up there trying to get a
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  Speaker 2: thermal image of where they think Danello Cavalcante maybe and
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  Speaker 2: remember this is a two time killer.
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  Speaker 3: He shot a guy at.
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  Speaker 2: A food truck, reportedly over a car repair, and then
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  Speaker 2: he stabbed his girlfriend in front of her children.
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  Speaker 3: That's who we're talking about.
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  Speaker 2: Cops desperately trying to find Cavalcante before he could strike again.
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  Speaker 2: Let's do Lieutenant Colonel George Bivins cut a three.
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  Speaker 4: Tactical teams made it the suit vision to secure that area,
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  Speaker 4: that smaller area as best they could and hold it
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  Speaker 4: through the storm and until we could bring additional resources
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  Speaker 4: in and bring aircraft back overhead to ensure that we
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  Speaker 4: did not have an issue with an escape. That resumed
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  Speaker 4: early this morning, and shortly after eight am, tactical teams
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  Speaker 4: converged on the area where the heat source was. They
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  Speaker 4: were able to move in very quietly. They had the
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  Speaker 4: element of surprise. Cavalcante did not realize he was surrounded
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  Speaker 4: until that had occurred.
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  Speaker 2: As they said, we don't want an issue with an escape.
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  Speaker 2: You mean another escape, the third escape. So let me
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  Speaker 2: understand something joining me right now. IRV Brandt, Senior Inspector,
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  Speaker 2: US Marshall Service International Branch.
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  Speaker 3: He's been all around the world trying.
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  Speaker 2: To find fugitives, just like Danello Cavalcante, author of Solo Shot,
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  Speaker 2: Curse of the Blue Stone, and Flying Solo Top of
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  Speaker 2: the World, both Amazon or Brandt. So how do you
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  Speaker 2: know you finally get a beat on somebody through thermal imagery?
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  Speaker 2: Is it like what we see in the movies where
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  Speaker 2: you actually see a figure crawling around?
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  Speaker 8: Yes, it is actually like that. I've been a number
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  Speaker 8: of man hunts where we've used handheld flear devices for
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  Speaker 8: thermal imaging, and also in aircraft the helicopters fixed wing.
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  Speaker 3: I bet you have wait a minute. Most people listening.
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  Speaker 2: Have never been up in a helicopter or a fixed
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  Speaker 2: wing where they're conducting thermal imagery detective work.
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  Speaker 3: Just explain it. What do you see? What do you notice?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, when you're looking down at a disneywooded area,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure there's all sorts of critters and creatures.
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  Speaker 3: How do you know what you're seeing?
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  Speaker 8: Nancy? The devices are very advanced, and what you're looking
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  Speaker 8: at on this screen is you'll see a darker area,
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  Speaker 8: which is the cooler area. Then you'll pick up the
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  Speaker 8: heat signature which contrasts to the darker area. Then as
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  Speaker 8: it's moving, you can tell by the way it's moving
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  Speaker 8: whether you're looking at a person, whether you're looking at
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  Speaker 8: something like a deer, or maybe you know, something smaller
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  Speaker 8: like a raccoon.
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  Speaker 3: You mean it's that detailed, it's blurry.
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  Speaker 8: But with practice and with experience, yes, you can tell
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  Speaker 8: the difference between a human and an animal.
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  Speaker 3: Have you ever seen a sonogram or a Brent?
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  Speaker 8: Yes, that's spot on, Nancy, that's what you're looking at.
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  Speaker 3: This is just amazing to me. What did you say,
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  Speaker 3: except for the colors.
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  Speaker 8: Right, it's the colors that the heat signature is giving off.
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  Speaker 2: So it's so finely tanged you can tell if you're
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  Speaker 2: looking at a deer, a rabbit, apostles or a person. Wow,
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  Speaker 2: did not realize exactly how accurate the thermal imaging really
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  Speaker 2: is and you know.
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  Speaker 3: Back to you.
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  Speaker 2: Investigative reporter with thoughts twenty nine Eddie Cadam Eddie. It
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  Speaker 2: was a DEA plane. How did the locals get their
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  Speaker 2: mits on a dea plane?
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  Speaker 5: They had every resource available to them, and as the
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  Speaker 5: days got on, they just increased their presence bringing in
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  Speaker 5: There was DA They had the SERT team. I was
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  Speaker 5: told the moving in the team and squad Middleen in
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  Speaker 5: those twenty to twenty five tactical guys, some of the
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  Speaker 5: most serious guys you want looking for him, that got
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  Speaker 5: there quickly.
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  Speaker 3: Twenty five tactical guys. What does that mean? Er Brandt?
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  Speaker 3: Twenty five tactical guys.
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  Speaker 8: Let's basically saying swat. Yeah, they're bringing in the big guns,
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  Speaker 8: heavily armored people.
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  Speaker 2: Even though we've got dea drug enforcement agency, which is extremely,
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  Speaker 2: extremely powerful. Listen, I was a FED for three years
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  Speaker 2: before after that, I was a felony prosecutor. I could
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  Speaker 2: never get the FEDS to help me on a single case.
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  Speaker 3: They have their own cases to deal with.
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  Speaker 2: I got to help some county prosecutor trying to solve
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  Speaker 2: a murder.
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  Speaker 3: They're not gonna help.
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  Speaker 2: They've got their own basket of worms to deal with.
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  Speaker 2: So hats off to the locals that get the DEA
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  Speaker 2: in on this. But guess what he wasn't caught by
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  Speaker 2: thermal technology in the end?
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  Speaker 3: Bow wow? Is that a hint? Take a listen our
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  Speaker 3: cut eighty four.
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  Speaker 4: He began to crawl through thick underbrush, taking his rifle
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  Speaker 4: with him as he went. One of the Customs and
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  Speaker 4: Border Control teams bore attack had a dog with them.
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  Speaker 4: They released the dog. Some of our PSP cert members
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  Speaker 4: were also there, had him surrounded. The dogs subdued him,
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  Speaker 4: and team members from both of those teams immediately moved in.
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  Speaker 4: He continued to resist, but was forcibly taken into custody.
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  Speaker 4: No one was injured as a result of that.
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  Speaker 8: Excuse me, He did sustain.
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  Speaker 4: A minor bite wound. We had medical personnel at the
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  Speaker 4: scene and they took a look at that.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I love the way that he kind of airbrushed
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  Speaker 2: that whole thing.
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  Speaker 3: The dog subdued him. Okay, he was covered in blood.
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  Speaker 3: The dog chewed him up.
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  Speaker 2: Let me remind you before you start feeling sorry for
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  Speaker 2: Calvin Kante.
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  Speaker 3: He had a sowd Off rifle with him. He's already
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  Speaker 3: killed twice that we know of.
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  Speaker 2: You don't think he would have unleashed a hell of
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  Speaker 2: bullets on any law enforcement that came toward him once
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  Speaker 2: he could identify them in the dark, unless that dog
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  Speaker 2: hadn't got to him first. Bloodied Chiller Danello cal contest
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  Speaker 2: sniffed out by canees while lying under a pile of
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  Speaker 2: leaves and wood as the cops surreptitiously creeped up and
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  Speaker 2: surrounded him. Time Stories with Nancy Grace, Eddy Kaden with
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  Speaker 2: me investigate Reporter Fox twenty nine, tell me every detail.
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  Speaker 2: Don't leave anything out about this particular juncture.
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  Speaker 3: Of the manhunt.
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  Speaker 5: All right, So let's start with the first sighting. Last
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  Speaker 5: night there was a burglary alarm at a residence inside
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  Speaker 5: the perimeter. This is near Priser Road. They didn't find
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  Speaker 5: him there, but what that did do is it brought
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  Speaker 5: manpower to that area. After that, they put up the
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  Speaker 5: aircraft with the infrared tech. This is now around one am,
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  Speaker 5: picked up a heat heat signature believed to be him,
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  Speaker 5: converged on that heat source and so at the same time, though,
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  Speaker 5: some storms made it came in and that caused the
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  Speaker 5: aircraft to actually go down. But at this point, the
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  Speaker 5: teams are in position, and this is all information from
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  Speaker 5: the presser.
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  Speaker 2: So they're out there in the dark and in the rain.
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  Speaker 2: After they pick up a heat signature.
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  Speaker 3: Is that right?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, And this is a serious storm. It's thunder, it's
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  Speaker 5: lightning too. It's in rough condition.
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  Speaker 3: But they didn't give up.
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  Speaker 2: They stayed out there even when the plane had to
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  Speaker 2: come down.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, then what happened?
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  Speaker 5: So they converge on him, and as you were just saying,
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  Speaker 5: spot on, very sneaky. They he did not They saw
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  Speaker 5: him before he saw them, so he didn't know he
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  Speaker 5: was getting rolled up on until he was getting rolled
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  Speaker 5: up on. Essentially, he was, we're told, in a prone
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  Speaker 5: position when he noticed he was surrounded. The way law
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  Speaker 5: enforcement put it, he didn't even have a chance to
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  Speaker 5: get his gun out once once the engagement started. They
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  Speaker 5: said it was about five minutes total. He was trying
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  Speaker 5: to crawl away. They released that dog. Shout out to
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  Speaker 5: dogs everywhere herero today. They released the dog. The dog
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  Speaker 5: got to him, The officers were able to get to him,
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  Speaker 5: bring them in take.
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  Speaker 3: A listen to our friends at Thoughts twenty nine.
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  Speaker 7: The first moments when he was captured, we were there.
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  Speaker 7: Sky Fox was there showing all of the police as
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  Speaker 7: they gathered around him, see all the wood and they're
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  Speaker 7: wiping his face and cords.
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  Speaker 4: Of wood, wiping his face possibly of blood.
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  Speaker 9: Who knows what the takedown was like.
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  Speaker 7: And so we're learning now as we take a look
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  Speaker 7: in the juxtaposition here when they first captured him, when
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  Speaker 7: they first caught him and they put his handshind his
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  Speaker 7: back to now he's being taken away to Sci Phoenix.
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  Speaker 7: We've learned that he was found inside of a shed
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  Speaker 7: there at Prisoners that's where they found him, and he
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  Speaker 7: did have that stolen rifle with him.
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  Speaker 2: How fast it would have been for him to take
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  Speaker 2: that rifle out and start shooting, That's the question, guys,
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  Speaker 2: for those of you just joining us, the man hunt
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  Speaker 2: is overco he found and brought out covered in blood
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  Speaker 2: after K nine got hold of him, but that K
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  Speaker 2: nine disarmed him, so he never had a chance to
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  Speaker 2: start firing on law enforcement.
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  Speaker 3: Doctor Jan Gorniac joining US.
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  Speaker 2: Renowned forensic pathologist, former medical examiner Clark County. That's Vegas
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  Speaker 2: and you know as well as I do, there's never
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  Speaker 2: a lack of business from medical examiner in Vegas. Doctor
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  Speaker 2: Gorniac explain why he was bleeding from the head, And
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  Speaker 2: isn't it true that around your face and your nose,
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  Speaker 2: your neck, you bleed so much more profusely then you would,
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  Speaker 2: for say, a cut on your arm.
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  Speaker 10: Yes, good morning, everybody. You're absolutely correct. Your scalp especially.
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  Speaker 8: Is very vascular.
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  Speaker 10: So if he was in a high energy state, as
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  Speaker 10: in being trying to get away from a dog or
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  Speaker 10: trying to get away from law enforcement, his blood pressure
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  Speaker 10: is high. So any cut to the head is going
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  Speaker 10: to bleed terribly. I mean, it looks like you're like
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  Speaker 10: bleeding to death because your scalp is so vascular, so
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  Speaker 10: any cut he has is going to look like it's
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  Speaker 10: it's profusely bleeding compared to his arms or his legs.
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  Speaker 10: And it sounds like the brush that he was in.
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  Speaker 10: I don't believe the bleeding from his head is from
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  Speaker 10: the dog, but probably from other you know, the brush
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  Speaker 10: or whatever else he was in contact with.
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  Speaker 3: I think the dog bet him on the head, That's
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  Speaker 3: what I think.
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  Speaker 2: But when you say heavily vascular, you mean a lot
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  Speaker 2: of veangs, right.
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  Speaker 10: A lot of blood vessels. You're correct, at a lot
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  Speaker 10: of blood vesters. I remember at a camp when I
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  Speaker 10: was younger, one of my playmates fell hit his head
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  Speaker 10: on a rock and I really thought he was going
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  Speaker 10: to die, that's how much it was bleeding. And then
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  Speaker 10: once you clean it up, it was just this little
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  Speaker 10: a little cut. So, yes, if you're in a high
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  Speaker 10: energy state, meaning you know your blood pressure is up,
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  Speaker 10: you're moving around, your blood is pumping harder and fact,
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  Speaker 10: so your scalp is going to bleed excessively, but not
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  Speaker 10: enough to die from.
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  Speaker 3: And Jackie is waving a note at me, Yes, you're right.
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  Speaker 2: He was bitten by the dog and he was crawling
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  Speaker 2: away when the dog.
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  Speaker 3: Caught him and started chewing.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, Thank Heaven, because this guy had his sought off
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  Speaker 2: right behind him and a backpack that I'm still curious about.
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  Speaker 2: Where the hey did he get a backpack?
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  Speaker 3: Guhys?
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  Speaker 2: The escape prisoner Danello Cavicante's to Do by k Nines,
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  Speaker 2: captured in the early early morning hours fall we were
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  Speaker 2: all asleep. He was looking at life behind bars without parole.
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  Speaker 2: In the Murder, the brutal stabbing death of his girlfriend
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  Speaker 2: in front of her children. He was in a local
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  Speaker 2: jail that they call a prison. He had not made
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  Speaker 2: it to a max security prison yet, and he actually
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  Speaker 2: scaled the wall a spider so called crab, walking up
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  Speaker 2: the two sides of a hallway in alcove to get
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  Speaker 2: to the ceiling through barbed wire, run across the ceiling,
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  Speaker 2: jump down, and make off. Over an hour passed before
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  Speaker 2: anyone realized he was even gone.
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  Speaker 3: The guard on.
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  Speaker 2: Watch has been fired. He had an inappropriate cell phone
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  Speaker 2: with him. In other words, it was against regulations. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know what he was doing scrolling through a dating
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  Speaker 2: app TikTok, who knows, but he wasn't watching. Cavalcante one
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  Speaker 2: of the most dangerous prisoners they had in the facility. Now,
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  Speaker 2: this is after he kills somebody in his homeland Brazil,
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  Speaker 2: goes and hides in the jungle for weeks on end,
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  Speaker 2: makes it out of the jungle to Puerto Rico, hides
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  Speaker 2: out there until.
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  Speaker 3: He can make it to the prize the US. What
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  Speaker 3: more do we know.
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  Speaker 2: About the takedown in the early morning hours, take a
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  Speaker 2: listening to our cut sixty five.
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  Speaker 3: Our friends at CBS.
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  Speaker 11: Jim Barnes and his wife. They knew caval Kante around
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  Speaker 11: their area, and he says they've been very vigilant, locking
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  Speaker 11: their doors, locking their cars as this search goes on.
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  Speaker 11: But nothing really could have prepared them for what happened
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  Speaker 11: last night when their home actually became part of this investigation.
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  Speaker 8: We had a very interesting night.
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  Speaker 12: It was very sleepless.
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  Speaker 2: How did the varns is minding their own business suddenly
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  Speaker 2: become part of the search for a double killer? Take
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  Speaker 2: a let's not cut sixty six CBS.
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  Speaker 11: It started as a pretty typical Monday for Jim Varnes
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  Speaker 11: and his wife on Fairview Road. Jim's wife went out
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  Speaker 11: for groceries and they sat down to relax.
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  Speaker 8: We got our.
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  Speaker 12: Groceries in it and then we locked everything up and
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  Speaker 12: we're just sitting here watching mass TV.
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  Speaker 11: They knew escape Chester County in Maitdenelo cabal Conte was
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  Speaker 11: around their area, but the Barnes never thought they'd be
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  Speaker 11: dragged into the case. Then they saw the police lights outside.
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  Speaker 12: Maybe five ten minutes later. They were all here and
• 19:00
  Speaker 12: we're like, what the heck's going on?
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: What the heck's going on?
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: You got a double killer outside your door, That's what's
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: going on.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: Listen.
• 19:07
  Speaker 11: Varnes says police told him a passerby saw a man
• 19:09
  Speaker 11: crouching in the field across from their home and called
• 19:12
  Speaker 11: nine one one. Then his wife made the discovery. Jim's
• 19:15
  Speaker 11: grass cutting boots were missing from the.
• 19:17
  Speaker 12: Back porch, and we'd be right down there where the
• 19:20
  Speaker 12: where the where chair was right there.
• 19:23
  Speaker 11: Police now believe Cavalcante stole the boots from the Varnes
• 19:26
  Speaker 11: home Monday night, no more than twenty feet from where
• 19:29
  Speaker 11: Jim and his wife were watching TV. Varnes says. Investigators
• 19:33
  Speaker 11: also found what's believed to be Cavalcante's shoes on their property.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: To Karen Start, joining us renowned psychologist also TV and
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: radio trauma expert. You can find her at Karenstart dot com.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: That's Karen with a C. Karen Start, thank you for
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: being with us. I guess what's so disturbing to me
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: that I can't really convey is that this guy was
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: going to be shipped off to a max facility prison day.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: That's why he had to escape then, That's why he
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: couldn't be caught. That's why he was willing to kill
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: again if he had to. That's why he had a
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: sawed off shotgun with him at twenty two right there
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: in his backpack. When you have somebody cornered like Cavalcante
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: and they're looking at life without parole, they'll do anything.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Explain what I'm talking about here and start.
• 20:26
  Speaker 13: It's desperation, Nancy. So when you are telling the story
• 20:31
  Speaker 13: about them watching television, I'm thinking to myself, they have no.
• 20:35
  Speaker 10: Idea what could have happened to them?
• 20:38
  Speaker 13: Because this guy would do anything.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: What does he have to lose? He would do.
• 20:43
  Speaker 13: Anything to make sure that he's not captured, and so
• 20:47
  Speaker 13: their life was really at stake.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Guys, this family and other families suddenly get the message.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Take a listen to our cut seventy six bucks twenty
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: nine Philly.
• 20:58
  Speaker 7: They reverse nine one one call was sent to residents
• 21:01
  Speaker 7: in the area of the Perimeter and quote. What it
• 21:04
  Speaker 7: said was, this is a message from Pennsylvania State Police.
• 21:07
  Speaker 7: The search for Dnello cavlo Conte is over. The subject
• 21:10
  Speaker 7: is now in custody. So the word has been spreading.
• 21:14
  Speaker 7: The reverse phone calls have been made.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: It's over.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: Wow, what does that mean to anybody on the panel.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: A reverse nine to one one.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Call goes out to the whole community. How does that
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: work straight out to you. IRV Brant or Douglas McGregor,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: how does.
• 21:31
  Speaker 8: That work well, Nancy? In an emergency situation, the homes
• 21:38
  Speaker 8: in the area in a nine to one one area
• 21:42
  Speaker 8: can receive messages and it's like an automated message telling
• 21:47
  Speaker 8: people about different dangerous situation.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: You mean, like an amber alert.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Correct that pops up on your phone with that crazy
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: piercing screen. So it basically goes out to every number
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: that police have in their registry.
• 22:02
  Speaker 8: Correct, Correct, within that nine one one operating area.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Ah, got you, So that's where the nine to one one,
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: that's the operating area.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: Guys joining me right now.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: In addition to our other guests that you've been listening to,
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Nima Romani is joining us. He's a renowned former federal
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: prosecutor turned trial lawyer, president and co founder of the
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: West Coast Trial Lawyers, author of.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: Harvard to hashtag Nima, thank you so much for being
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: with us.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: You and I have both dealt with prisoners with nothing
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: to lose.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: That is why when a.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Verdict is read in a courtroom, multiple sheriffs come in.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: If you know what's happening, you'll see that armed sheriffs
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: bailiffs are at every window, in front of every window,
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: in front of every door. They're in front of the jury.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: They may stand in front of the prosecutor. I didn't
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: like that because I couldn't see. I'd have them behind me.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: There'll be one to the side of the judge's bench,
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: so they can jump in front of the judge's bench if.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: They have to.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: But you want everyone to be able to see and
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: hear the judge and the prosecutor.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: In my case, I always had to read the verdict.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: But that's for a reason.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Once a guilty verdict, if it is a guilty verdict
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: is read, that defendant is no longer innocent. He or
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: she is going to jail, and you can never underestimate
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: what that person will do. I've had a defendant lunge
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: at me in the courtroom I hadn't been for my investigator.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know what would have happened, because I did
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: not expect it. I was standing there waiting for the
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: I think the jury to come in, just looking at
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: the jury deliberation room for them to come back in
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: to resume evidence, and all of a sudden, the guy
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: leaps across the desk at me, with a pen, I
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: guess to stab me. If my investigator hadn't been sitting
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: there would happened. So you can't underestimate the mindset of
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Danello Cavalcante at this moment.
• 24:07
  Speaker 14: Well names that you can.
• 24:08
  Speaker 9: And there's a reason his mom said that she prefers
• 24:12
  Speaker 9: that he actually dies and go back to prison. So
• 24:16
  Speaker 9: if the one's mom's telling them that, think of what
• 24:18
  Speaker 9: the mindset of a double murderer is. I'm shocked that
• 24:22
  Speaker 9: he didn't try to shoot his way out of this
• 24:24
  Speaker 9: or fight or I mean, obviously the reports are coming back,
• 24:27
  Speaker 9: but yeah, if you spend the rest of your life
• 24:29
  Speaker 9: in prison, there's a lot of people who would rather
• 24:31
  Speaker 9: die than experience that.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Well, Nima, I was saving this as a little surprised
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: for you. But speaking of the mom that gave birth,
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: this is her spawn.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: Take a listen.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Our cut seventy two are our friends at crime online
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  Speaker 2: dot Com.
• 24:47
  Speaker 15: Daniello Calacante's mother is defending her son while admitting he
• 24:50
  Speaker 15: did kill his former girlfriend in front of her two children.
• 24:53
  Speaker 15: But the fugitive's mother tells The New York Times he
• 24:56
  Speaker 15: did it but he had no choice. Iris Siema Kava
• 24:59
  Speaker 15: Kante said quote did it happen. It happened, but it
• 25:03
  Speaker 15: happened because of the stranglehold she put on him, the
• 25:06
  Speaker 15: stance she took with him. It wasn't femicide. He had
• 25:09
  Speaker 15: to he had no other choice. Unquote the choice she
• 25:13
  Speaker 15: speaks of. Deborah Brendeo was tired of being threatened and
• 25:17
  Speaker 15: beaten by Cavalcanti and threatened she would go to police
• 25:19
  Speaker 15: in Pennsylvania and tell them about Cavalcanti, the illegal immigrant
• 25:23
  Speaker 15: wanted for murder in Brazil for a stabbing a friend
• 25:26
  Speaker 15: at a food truck in twenty seventeen. That is the
• 25:29
  Speaker 15: corner of Cavalcanti's mother is speaking.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, let me understand this. You know what, I'm just
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: a JD. I need a shrink to you, Karen Stark.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Mommy is saying he had to butcher his girlfriend in
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: front of her two little children.
• 25:46
  Speaker 13: They will never recover these little children.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: And mommy is saying, oh, my son, it's her fault.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: She got stabbed thirty nine times. And when she says stranglehold,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: she's not talking about the girlfriend having him in a stranglehold.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: She is talking about the claim that Deborah Brendeio, the
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: girlfriend stabbed thirty eight or thirty nine times. And I'm
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: going to go back to doctor Gorniac about how you
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: can't tell how many stab wins exactly thirty eight or
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: thirty nine times.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: She'd have been a physical stranglehold. Oh thank you, Jackie.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Children ages seven and four see their mother stabbed thirty
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: nine times to death seven and four.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: You think they're ever going to get over that answer?
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: No, Mommy is saying he spawned calvil Kante.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: It's not his fault. She'd have been a stranglehold in that.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: She told him if you didn't quit beating her all
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: the time, she'd tell authorities he was wanted from murder
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: back in Brazil.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: Karen Stark thoughts.
• 26:50
  Speaker 13: Well, I mean, Nancy, you know mothers to spend their children.
• 26:55
  Speaker 13: We're not surprised about that.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: Oh you are not telling me that you expected this.
• 27:00
  Speaker 13: What this is about as an extreme as you could
• 27:03
  Speaker 13: possibly get. I mean, here is a mother and it
• 27:07
  Speaker 13: just goes to show talk about Sponge why he turned out.
• 27:11
  Speaker 10: To be the person that he is, because he's.
• 27:14
  Speaker 13: Allowed to get away with anything. He could kill somebody
• 27:17
  Speaker 13: because they're threatening to go to the police, and she's
• 27:20
  Speaker 13: saying that he had no choice that she was strangling him.
• 27:25
  Speaker 10: What this is not your everyday mother.
• 27:29
  Speaker 13: This is a mother of a criminal.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: It's a monster mother. It's a monster mother.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Now we'll say it's okay to stab the girlfriend.
• 27:37
  Speaker 13: Not just that, but Nancy. She also said she'd rather
• 27:41
  Speaker 13: have him dead than be captured again. This is his mother,
• 27:46
  Speaker 13: would rather see him dead.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: Doctor Gane.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Gorniac joining us, very well respected pathologist who has taken
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: to the autopsy table there in Vegas many many times,
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: hundreds of not thousands of times to perform autopsies.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: Doctor Gorniac. When someone is stabbed.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Multiple times, and the first time this may have come
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: into the public's consciousness was in the case of Jody Arius.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: I hate to even say your name. I don't want
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: to conjure her up out of the cauldron. But she
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: stabbed her lover, Travis Alexander. I believe twenty nine times.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Can you check me on that, Jackie. But the number
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: of stabbings fluctuated depending on who was reporting it, and
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: the reason was, once you stab somebody so many times,
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: you start stabbing them in the same place, the stab
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: wounds begin to overlap each other, and it's very more
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: than twenty seven c see I said twenty nine because
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: another person said some doctor said twenty nine. But you
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: stab on top of your stab wounds, and it's for
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: the medical examiner to determine exactly how many times you
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: stab somebody.
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: Yes, you are correct.
• 29:05
  Speaker 10: Also not even that the wounds will start to overlap.
• 29:10
  Speaker 10: You don't also don't have to remove the sharp force,
• 29:15
  Speaker 10: the instrument, the knife out of the body to continue stabbing.
• 29:19
  Speaker 10: So therefore you can have one stab wound into the body,
• 29:22
  Speaker 10: but you can be moving the knife around and have
• 29:24
  Speaker 10: like say four or five stab wounds to the lung
• 29:28
  Speaker 10: with one stab wound through the skin, if that makes
• 29:31
  Speaker 10: any sense. So you don't withdraw the knife out, So
• 29:34
  Speaker 10: it could be I mean, you can see one stab
• 29:36
  Speaker 10: wound on the body, but have four stab wounds on
• 29:38
  Speaker 10: the inside to the heart in the lungs. So yes,
• 29:41
  Speaker 10: it's very difficult to count how many times someone is
• 29:44
  Speaker 10: stabbed because they do overlap. People move, you know, if
• 29:48
  Speaker 10: you're not just gonna lay there or stand there and
• 29:50
  Speaker 10: get stabed. So the more you're moving, not only you're
• 29:53
  Speaker 10: going to have stab wounds of your body, you're going
• 29:55
  Speaker 10: to have you know, defensive wounds on your hands. If
• 29:59
  Speaker 10: you grab the neck. So these are the worst cases
• 30:03
  Speaker 10: for me. I really do not of all the cases
• 30:06
  Speaker 10: I do, except for pediatric cases those babies. Stab wound
• 30:11
  Speaker 10: cases are the worst cases that I have to do.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: I hate stabcases. I hate them. It's visceral.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: I can't tell you why I hate them more than
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: other except for child victims.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: I'm with you, doctor Gorniac.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Doctor Garniac. Personal question, do you compartmentalize? I mean, how
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: do you just go about your day, your regular day,
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: like with your family, with your dog or your cat,
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: or going to the grocery store without visions of stabbing
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: autopsies coming up in your hand and dancing.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: Through like a parade.
• 31:10
  Speaker 10: Right I did? I do get that that question quite
• 31:13
  Speaker 10: a bit. So when I'm doing my job, I'm a
• 31:18
  Speaker 10: physician first, so and that's the only way I can
• 31:21
  Speaker 10: get my job done. So if I go into the
• 31:25
  Speaker 10: autoives room as jam, it's not going to be a
• 31:29
  Speaker 10: good thing for myself or my colleagues. So I equate
• 31:32
  Speaker 10: us to being like the room the emergency room physician
• 31:37
  Speaker 10: when people come through the door with bloom Forth's trauma,
• 31:39
  Speaker 10: stab wounds, gunshot wounds, that emergency room physician has to
• 31:44
  Speaker 10: respond and react and treat that patient. Unfortunately, for on
• 31:48
  Speaker 10: our side, our patients are deceased, so we put on
• 31:52
  Speaker 10: our doctor's head and we treat our patients and then
• 31:56
  Speaker 10: we have to you know, then jam comes out. So
• 32:00
  Speaker 10: over the years that it has taken time, but I
• 32:03
  Speaker 10: have worked very intentional on leaving it in the autax room.
• 32:07
  Speaker 10: Not to say that some cases do not stay with me.
• 32:11
  Speaker 10: Like I said, some of these as I'm talking about it,
• 32:14
  Speaker 10: I can picture a stab wound case I had back
• 32:17
  Speaker 10: in two thousand and seven. So but you know, you
• 32:22
  Speaker 10: just have to be professional, be that puisition, treat your
• 32:25
  Speaker 10: patient the best that you can, and then leave it
• 32:28
  Speaker 10: in the autopsum.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Nima Romani is with me, former federal prosecutor turned trial lawyer.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: You can find him at West Coast Trial Lawyers dot com,
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: author of Harvard de hashtag neema. I guess same thing
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: for you, and I want to use this segue to
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: talk about the mind of Danello Cavalcante. You know, when
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: I had one particular judge, and I know this is unorthodox,
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: but it worked whenever would have a big arraignment calendar
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: or pola calendar. I would sit in a ram a
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: conference room, of course, with armed guards, and the defense
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: attorneys would come in and they would bring their jill
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: clients who'd been brought over like four o'clock that morning
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: into the conference room.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: That's sit on the other.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Side of the table, and I go through the police
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: report and all the evidence and let them look at
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: everything there was, and I'd give them a plea deal.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: Of course, they would never want the plea deals that
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: I gave them, but a lot of times they would
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: get a plea. I would look at them, and very
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: often they would seem like a regular person to just
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: look at them in their demeanor. But when you look
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: at the police report and you see this guy is
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: sidomized children for the last seven or eight years, or
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: this guy killed his own mom, or this guy gunned
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: down a store clerk and his assistant for a pack
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: of cigarettes, and you're looking at the guy and they
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: seem charming and affable.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: It's freaky. And this guy, we know, Calvalcante, could be very.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Very charming.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: That's how we got the girlfriend to start with Nima.
• 34:08
  Speaker 14: Well, in the beginning of Targe, you know, I put
• 34:10
  Speaker 14: more than a thousand people in federal prison. And now
• 34:13
  Speaker 14: I don't feel any sympathy for the defendants, but the
• 34:15
  Speaker 14: family members.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: I didn't say sympathy, hgl n oh.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: I didn't feel sympathy, but I was always intrigued, like
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: looking at a spider in a box or the snake
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: at the snakehouse at the zoo. I'm intrigued by how
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: they can be so charming when I know they're a
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: cold blooded killer.
• 34:35
  Speaker 9: Oh, no question.
• 34:36
  Speaker 14: There's really those family members, right, the kids, the girlfriend,
• 34:40
  Speaker 14: the moms. Right, they're crying, they're begging, they're pleading. But
• 34:45
  Speaker 14: after a while, an you know, you just get desensitized
• 34:47
  Speaker 14: and you realize that these are criminals and their own
• 34:51
  Speaker 14: families are better off if they're locked up in prison
• 34:53
  Speaker 14: for a very long time.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Have you always noticed, as I did, I don't care
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: how bad the evidency is. Mommy the defendants, Mommy sits
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: through it like she didn't hear a thing.
• 35:06
  Speaker 14: No matter what, Mom's going to get up there and testify,
• 35:09
  Speaker 14: and we're cross examined moms, right, and the cross examination
• 35:13
  Speaker 14: is always just say, well, you love your son, right,
• 35:16
  Speaker 14: and you don't want him to go to prison, and
• 35:18
  Speaker 14: he'll do anything or say anything to protect them.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: And that's it.
• 35:21
  Speaker 14: You know, the bond between a mother and her son
• 35:24
  Speaker 14: is unlike any other.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Back off if you're talking about my son John David
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Lynch or my daughter Lucy, because they can never do
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: anything wrong.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: Okay, you're right.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Douglas McGregor joining me, Guys McGregor. That's what you call
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: a geographic profiler. He specializes in serial and violent crime,
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: missing persons, locating clandestine burial sites. You can find him
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: at at the geo Profiler. Douglas did Cavalcante.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: Do exactly what you thought he was going to do?
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: I think that he did, Nancy, Yes, he did. He
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: had he had a plan. He executed it fairly well.
• 36:03
  Speaker 6: He just got interrupted by law enforcement doing a good job.
• 36:07
  Speaker 6: He he traveled north and he went to East Pikeland
• 36:11
  Speaker 6: and Phoenix, still looking for you know, accomplices, people that
• 36:14
  Speaker 6: help him out resources. And then after that he traveled
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: west and the key here is the place that he
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: dumped the vehicle, the van. It wasn't random, it wasn't
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: a mistake, and it wasn't just because he ran out
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: of gas like that place was pre selected. It was
• 36:32
  Speaker 6: actually the property of the father of Michael Cahill, Michael
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: ska Hill who helped him after he murdered his ex girlfriend.
• 36:45
  Speaker 6: So he knew where he was going, and he knew
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: where he was dumping that van. And then that's not
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: to implicate Michael ska Hill at all. He may have
• 36:53
  Speaker 6: had no knowledge that Cavalcante was heading to that residence,
• 36:58
  Speaker 6: that property, but Cavalcanti might just have been familiar with it.
• 37:03
  Speaker 6: He might have stayed there at one point, and he
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: may have been having continue to head west. I mean,
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: if if Skhill was involved in this, or wasn't accomplished
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: in this in any way, then Cavalcante may have been
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: continuing on to Ohio, specifically of a Youngstown area. So
• 37:23
  Speaker 6: I can't say that for sure, but he did have
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: a plan and he was he was trying to follow it.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Through Youngstown, Ohio college town, and there would be plenty
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: single young women alone all over the place in Youngstown.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Now police are trying to figure out did Cavalcante have help.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Don't feel sorry for this guy. I know he looks
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: bloody and pitiful, but remember he had a soft off
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: in his backpack. He's killed before and he would do
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: it again.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: RV brand.
• 38:01
  Speaker 8: What do you think, Nanthy, You were talking about how
• 38:06
  Speaker 8: people are surprised that he wasn't taken alive, that he
• 38:09
  Speaker 8: was captured and this was done. I'm sure he planned
• 38:14
  Speaker 8: was not to be taken alive, but it was superior
• 38:17
  Speaker 8: tactics by the police. Like the colonel said in his briefing,
• 38:21
  Speaker 8: they surrounded him and he was unaware that he was there.
• 38:25
  Speaker 8: And then if they would have lit him up with
• 38:28
  Speaker 8: floodlights and bullhorns telling him he was surrounded, he would
• 38:33
  Speaker 8: have shot it out with police. He had no intentions
• 38:36
  Speaker 8: of going back to jail. But in police work, we
• 38:39
  Speaker 8: have a saying action is faster than reaction, and there's
• 38:44
  Speaker 8: nothing faster than a canine. They let the dogs loose
• 38:48
  Speaker 8: on him and before he could react. He was trying
• 38:51
  Speaker 8: to crawl away. He wasn't given up. He was trying
• 38:54
  Speaker 8: to call it, but he couldn't resist the canines. Then
• 38:59
  Speaker 8: they moved in and they captured him. That's the only
• 39:02
  Speaker 8: reason why he was captured a lot. So when you
• 39:04
  Speaker 8: look at that bloody picture of him, well he's alive.
• 39:09
  Speaker 8: If it would have went any other way, the picture
• 39:11
  Speaker 8: would have been with him with a bullet hole in
• 39:14
  Speaker 8: his head. From a sniper.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: You are hearing the voice of IRV Brand, Senior Inspector,
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: US Marshall Service and author Eddie Cadam joining US Fox
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: twenty nine Crack investigative reporter. Where is he now and
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: what happens next?
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: He's heading to Abingdale for processing and then he'll be
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: taken to the State Correctional facility where he will serve
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: his life sentence. And important with that too to the tenant, saying,
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: as long as he's in their custody, he's not getting
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: out again, something everybody wants to hear, obviously.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: An amazing effort, and finally Danello Cavalcante behind bars where
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: he belongs.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: Goodbye friend,