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East Meets West: The Steering Committee Joins Break/Fix for a Ride Through Car Culture · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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  Brake fix podcast is all about capturing the living history of
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  people from all over the auto sphere.
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  From wrench turners and racers to artists, authors, designers,
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  and everything in between.
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  Our goal is to inspire a new generation of petrol heads that wonder.
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  How did they get that job or become that person?
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  The road to success is paved by all of us because everyone has a story.
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  From vintage treasures to cutting edge marvels of modern engineering,
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  our guests take you on a captivating ride, sharing insights, experiences,
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  well crafted automobile, their show invites you to buckle up and join a
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  community that celebrates the timeless love affair between man and machine.
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  For over four years, the hum of engines and the allure of the
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  open road have met in a thrilling conversation about cars and car culture.
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  Ryan Barkey and Doug Fogler are the automotive aficionados behind
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  the Steering Committee podcast.
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  On their show, they navigate the twists and turns of the automotive
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  world, delving into the soul stirring stories behind classic cars, the latest
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  innovations in automotive technology, and the vibrant tapestry of car culture.
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  And with that, let's welcome Ryan and Doug to BreakFix.
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  Welcome.
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  Hey guys.
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  It's quite intro.
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  Yeah, thanks for having us.
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  Great intro.
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  You guys like that?
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  Eric knows how to read a bio.
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  I like that.
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  Next time in haiku form, please.
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  Speaking of that, these are two big shows coming together.
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  This is a bit of East meets West, and we really want to get the East
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  Coast guys to better understand where you guys are coming from.
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  A Denver based automotive enthusiast podcast.
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  So, like all good Break Fix stories, there's a superhero origin story.
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  Tell us about Ryan and Doug.
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  How did you guys get started in cars?
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  How did the love affair begin?
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  How did you guys get together?
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  Who wants to go first?
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  Ryan?
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  Show started because of Doug's wife.
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  We actually had a mutual friend, Doug's wife is an architect.
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  We had a neighbor who's an architect.
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  They had worked together at one time and they said, Hey, we have a new neighbor.
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  Who's a car guy.
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  Just moved here from Chicago.
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  You should meet our other friend.
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  Who's a car guy.
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  We got the families together for lunch or dinner, whatever it was pretty quickly.
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  It was the two of us at the end of the table jabbering about cars.
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  And it was your wife.
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  It said, you guys sound like a car podcast.
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  It was all downhill from there.
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  And here we are.
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  And we sat down one night with an iPhone, got loaded up on bourbon.
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  Our original band name was Burples and Backfire.
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  That's what we thought we would start off with.
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  We just sat down though.
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  We kind of did a test of concept of it.
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  And as always, he and I always had a great conversation.
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  Just talking about cars.
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  We're similar ages and we sort of have like a shared common sort of like.
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  Tapestry, if you will, sort of car history and car culture.
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  So it just kind of got going from there and hasn't really stopped.
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  I don't know if I'd go that far, Doug.
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  You grew up with Peugeot's and Mercure's oddballs.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah, that is true.
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  We were a little more mainstream in the Barkey house.
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  That's true.
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  I guess you'd read about those cars, those exotic cars in your magazine.
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  Two different back to back 505 Peugeot station wagons and a Mercor
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  XR4 TI in my young driving career.
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  All right.
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  So, okay.
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  Mercor XR4 TI for everybody listening in Europe, that's what we
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  called the Ford Sierra over here.
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  So that's a cool car.
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  Like hands down, I am super jealous.
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  Every once in a while you see one of those, but the 505 Peugeot,
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  what makes that car cool is that it's a station wagon.
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  I am a long roof society guy, if there ever was one.
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  So I got to give you.
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  Massive points, even though it's French.
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  And really it's my mom that deserves the points.
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  She was the one that fell in love with it and bought two of them back to back.
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  But you know, I agree.
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  And it's also just a very handsome looking car.
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  I mean, if you go back and look at them, they stand up well today.
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  And a very practical car.
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  It had a lot of interior space for the size footprint of the car.
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  You could fit a lot of stuff inside of it.
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  So.
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  That was a good one.
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  The AmeriCorps and the Peugeot were kind of my first two cars.
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  I drove them both in high school as I got my license a little bit.
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  Those are my first two experiences.
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  Doug, didn't you buy those at that same dealership that Jay
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  Leno worked at in high school?
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  Isn't that the connection?
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  Yeah, although you're correct, we are like a Colorado based car podcast.
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  I'm from Massachusetts originally, so I grew up outside of Boston.
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  The dealership that we got the Peugeots from was called Foreign Motors West.
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  Cause there was a foreign motors East, but this was foreign motors West.
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  It was in the suburbs, uh, West of Boston.
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  I've listened to enough of Jay Leno's interviews that I know he worked at
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  that dealership when he was a young teenager before he came out and
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  made a career in comedy at the time.
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  We were going there.
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  It was Rolls Royce, Bentley.
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  Range Rover and I think Jaguar and then Peugeot was their entry level cars.
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  You know, as the car was being serviced, which it happened a lot, I was able to go
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  over there and just sort of move through each brand had its own like separate sort
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  of like small little building showrooms.
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  I can move through the different ones and see all the higher end, mostly
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  British cars, which was awesome.
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  I loved going out there.
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  Well, since we're talking about origins here and growing up in New England
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  for you, Ryan, I heard that you're a transplant to the Denver area too.
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  You're not originally from there either.
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  Yeah, I'm a Midwestern guy, born in Madison, Wisconsin,
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  bounced around a lot growing up.
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  My dad was a college professor chasing tenure.
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  So a lot of Midwestern college towns.
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  Then lived in Chicago for about 20 years before we moved out
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  here to Denver nine years ago.
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  We were a little more mainstream growing up.
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  We were a Volkswagen family.
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  I still own a Volkswagen to this day.
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  My daily driver is a 2017 Tiguan.
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  Somewhere along the line, you know, my dad got a BMW, an E30, a 325.
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  And my first car was an E20, a 320i.
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  It was all kind of downhill from there, turned into a Porsche.
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  There's a story behind that E30 though, isn't there?
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  I heard it had something to do with the acquisition of that car.
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  Oh, that's right.
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  Yeah.
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  So we grew up, we had Volkswagens and Chrysler minivans, right?
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  We lived in Indianapolis at the time and there was a chain of car
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  washes called Mike's Car Wash.
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  Well, Mike was this like local celebrity, right?
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  On TV and on all this and his personal ride was an 87, 325.
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  It was red with gold BBS wheels.
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  And he would park that thing out in front of the car wash every day.
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  We drive past it.
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  And I thought that thing was the coolest and eventually popped up
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  with a for sale sign randomly.
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  My dad just did to buy it.
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  And it was, I thought it was the coolest thing.
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  I took that car to prom a few years later and, uh, I eventually bought
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  the 320 and always German cars though.
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  Somewhere along the line, got into Porsches.
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  My dad drives a pretty nice Porsche now himself, but always German
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  stuff, American stuff, never anything too weird like Peugeot.
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  Is there even a Peugeot dealership in the state of?
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  I don't, I don't think there was.
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  So at the time we were in Indianapolis and Dreyer and Reinbold, they actually
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  ran race teams for many years.
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  Their dealership was in Indianapolis.
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  And, you know, you're talking late eighties, early nineties,
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  a BMW was a pretty exotic car.
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  They weren't the commodity cars that they are now.
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  Right.
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  They were still taxi cabs in Europe.
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  I'm just saying, right.
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  Guys, do you notice at least here locally in Denver, our mail is delivered in
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  Mercedes Metris vans now, but they cover up the Mercedes star with an Eagle.
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  Have you noticed as not to dilute the brand or whatever, right?
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  Anyway, Pujol would have just been.
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  Crazy talk, a little too heady rather for Indianapolis, I think, Doug.
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  I think you're confusing like headiness or whatever with just unusualness.
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  It wasn't like necessarily like a really nice car.
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  I mean, they're pretty standard cars in France, but they are exotic.
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  I will give you that.
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  You don't see them every day.
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  And that actually sort of leads into my next thought, which is, Ryan, it sounded
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  like The E30 got you excited about cars, like Volkswagens and Caravans,
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  eh, whatever, you know, but that E30 started to make the blood pressure rise.
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  And Doug, the Peugeot is, like you said, it's not that exciting.
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  So was there a car that sort of invited you in to becoming an enthusiast?
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  My dad is a big car enthusiast, and that's really where it comes from.
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  The first car I can remember him having was, it was something
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  called a Dodge 0124, I think.
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  It was one of those little front wheel drive, you know, sort of
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  like two door kind of coupe things.
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  Would have been in the late 80s.
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  He upgraded to a Dodge Daytona Shelby Z, which was sort of like the
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  ultimate expression of that sort of front wheel drive two door personal
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  luxury coupe things that Dodge and Chrysler groups were selling.
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  You know, he was a child of the sixties.
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  So he was thrilled to find that there was a car that Shelby had officially
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  worked on, or, you know, at least licensed out his name to that he
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  could actually afford and get.
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  I just remember him coming back.
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  They went off to go buy the car.
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  We stay with our grandparents and I just saw them coming down the road.
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  And I couldn't believe when the car that was in front of him turned out of the
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  way and I was suddenly revealed with this bright red Dodge Daytona Shelby
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  Z, which I, I mean, it might as well have been a Testa Rossa at that point.
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  I didn't know anything about her, but like it was red.
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  It has.
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  Spoiler, it was a manual, it was turbocharged.
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  I didn't know things about like front wheel drive and
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  torque steer and understeering, handling, that kind of thing.
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  And between that and the fact that he had constantly until to this day, even has a
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  subscription to road and track magazine, which, you know, I just voraciously ate up
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  every time came in the house between that and hearing stories from him about going
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  to formula one races at Watkins glens with all his college friends and just.
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  All these great sort of stories.
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  I mean, the Ford V Ferrari story was told in my house, like, as if it was
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  just the immaculate reception, just part of like normal pop culture.
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  I just thought that's what everyone learned about.
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  So that's what got me going in that.
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  I appreciate the Peugeot, but you're right.
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  It's not really like the, uh, Tabru car that, that you might think.
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  Doug touched a little on magazines and I think that was a huge driver, no pun
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  intended for both of us growing up.
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  Doug was a road track guy.
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  I was a car and driver guy.
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  I lived for those magazines that show up in my mailbox, you know, once a
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  month, Chabacheta and, and Brock Yates and John Phillips and all those guys
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  just made such an impression on me.
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  And I was never a big sports kid growing up.
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  So instead of baseball stats, it was me in that road test digest, you know, at
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  the back, we all know and love, right.
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  You know, this is when a fast car was anything under about
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  15 seconds in the quarter mile.
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  Ryan can still to this day still pull up 0 60 times on some of these old cars.
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  You know, that we fondly remember and he's usually right on it.
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  It could be better, right?
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  It was all about the 0 60 time.
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  We didn't realize that they were like sacrificing clutches
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  to get to these times, right?
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  All it meant was that it could do it once and that meant it could
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  do it in less than a minute.
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  That's right.
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  Well, Brad, I think we should probably take a pit stop.
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  And since we're all, you know, Petrel heads of a certain age.
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  I want to dive into the children of the eighties questions that we
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  like to throw at some of our guests.
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  So I think we'll start with poster on the wall.
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  What was in your bedroom?
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  It could have been a pinup.
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  I mean, I get that, but car that was on your wall as a kid.
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  I'm going to tell you something very embarrassing.
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  Before I got into cars, I was really into fire engines.
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  So I literally had posters of fire engines on my wall until about 11 or
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  12, and then I got into, I think I was a Lamborghini guy at first, I had a
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  neighbor who, uh, was a bit of a playboy and who had a 911 turbo and black with
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  silver BBS wheels, and that turned me into a Porsche guy pretty early on.
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  Never a Ferrari guy, that was something I never had a poster of, there was just
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  something about Porsche or Lamborghini that just seemed, the wings and all,
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  just seemed a little, little extra.
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  Yeah, that's my secret.
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  It was fire engines for a long time.
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  Embarrassing.
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  Along the same lines, I remember I had like one of those trapper keeper folders,
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  like one of those like cardboard ones that you would put like in the notebook
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  and it was all trucks, semi trucks.
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  You know, that's what I was really into.
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  I guess I didn't know that Doug, you know, like the ones with like
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  the little sleeper cabs on the back, the big, like, you know, Peter belts
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  and Mac trucks and things like that.
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  Flat nose, like a cab over, like all of them.
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  So yeah, that was sort of my summer story there, but like.
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  As far as the poster cars though, and I still actually have all three of these.
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  Uh, there was a red Countach, a yellow Dino, and a silver 959 Porsche.
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  I have those actually still at my garage.
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  And then a little bit later, it's not technically an eighties car, but then
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  also the Viper GTS, the original one blue with the white stripes down the middle.
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  It was on my wall as well.
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  So Brad, what was on your wall?
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  I know one of them.
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  What is one of them?
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  The Fiero.
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  Yeah, just because of the, um, the well endowed woman on the front,
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  that's why the Fiero is there.
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  No, at least the woman was well endowed.
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  Yeah.
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  He hates Fieros by the way.
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  Really?
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  Do you remember how exotic those seemed though?
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  They were mid engine, they are, they were mid engine two seaters.
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  What's the zero to 60 time on that, Ryan?
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  Well, are we talking the GT or what was the two M four?
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  What was it?
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  Two M six, two M six.
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  Right.
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  Yeah.
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  That's that's right.
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  I think the GT was probably a smoke and 8.
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  7, but I I'll have to check that one.
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  I had a radio controlled Pontiac Fiero as a toy.
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  I remember that.
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  That was probably faster than the real thing, Doug.
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  Yeah.
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  Right.
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  More reliable too.
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  Brad, what else was on your wall?
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  I never really had a lot of posters on my wall.
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  It was like all bands and like music and stuff like that.
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  For me, the car stuff was the Hot Wheels.
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  I had a A Kunta, I had a tester and a nine 11, and those were
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  my favorite when I was a kid.
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  Right.
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  On acquiring mines.
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  Want to know what band posters were on you all?
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  Van Halen, guns N Roses, A CDC.
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  Right on.
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  And all that good stuff.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  To my Euro trash.
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  It's all heavy metal for Brad . We are yin and yang when it comes
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  to music, that's for sure.
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  But you know, we both appreciate each other's styles, so it's all good.
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  What were you into then?
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  Oh, man.
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  So right above my bed was a black on triple black 930 turbo.
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  Nice.
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  It was gorgeous.
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  I finally sold that picture not long ago.
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  It was framed and everything, and I never had place for it
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  in the house that we're in now.
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  I have a lot of vintage stuff in the house, like old Nurburgring, Raleigh.
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  I'm a big Group B fan, so that was huge for me.
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  My room was adorned with 118 scale model cars, which I still have.
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  You sniffed a lot of glue growing up, huh?
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  These are all metals.
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  So I have close to 70 of them right now, which is, which is not a huge collection,
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  but it's a lifelong collection.
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  So those have always been important to me and they've survived moves
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  and kids and everything else.
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  Yeah.
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  The one big poster on my wall in my room was the nine 30 and downstairs
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  we had sort of like a playroom study area for me and my sister.
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  And the one poster that sort of survived and Brad's going to laugh at me because
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  I make fun of him relentlessly for this.
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  I had a from the Porsche factory cutaway blueprint of the 924 up on the wall.
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  Yeah.
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  That was given to me by one of the Porsche training instructors
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  for like the engines and stuff.
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  And so to me, it wasn't the coolest Porsche, but I was like,
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  this is like a factory thing.
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  This is super cool.
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  And so I had that up on the wall and I would just kind of stare at it.
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  And excellent.
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  That's fantastic.
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  I can also confirm, even though you say you hate this car, at some point in
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  your life you had one of these on your wall, because I got it from your mom.
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  Ah!
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  Hahaha!
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  That's true, I forgot about that.
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  Nice!
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  I'm sorry.
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  Did you say I got it from your mom?
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  My mom, Eric and I went to high school together.
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  Yeah.
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  We know each other a long time.
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  We'll get from his mom.
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  I'm sorry if you're listening to this, but yeah, no, my mom was never the
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  type to like, throw my stuff away.
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  So it's like, she kept all this stuff.
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  Ridiculous.
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  And I forgot, I even had that at 50, whatever, which it's in better hands
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  now, because that's where Brad and I differ on the Ferrari camp, which
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  actually leads into our next question.
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  You guys are sitting at the boardroom table and you guys are the ones
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  that have to make the decision.
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  Do you build the nine 59 or the F 40?
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  That's such a tough one, guys.
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  I'll answer quickly 'cause I know I mine, I had my answer.
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  And then I'll give Ryan some time to say F 40.
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  Yeah, F 40 for me says the guy with the 9 59 poster.
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  Oh yeah, yeah.
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  Well, what I was gonna say is that that came as like a set and like, so
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  I put it up there, but like I didn't get Porsches until I was older.
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  I thought the nine 11 looked weird.
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  Honestly, I never liked it.
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  And right next to osa, Kunta, you know, Italian stuff, I mean, it looks
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  kind of weird and funky at first.
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  I was wrong.
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  I mean, I admit that now I'm, I'm, I'm okay.
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  Saying that it's like one of these things you grow into you.
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  It's like you grow to appreciate it.
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  Like no one in my close circle, I didn't see very many of them in real life.
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  I didn't really understand one until I heard an air cooled, you know, at
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  full song driving by me at one point.
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  And then I sort of kind of light bulb kind of went off, but yeah, I mean,
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  at that point, yeah, I mean, F40 to me is it's a top three car, so that's, I
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  have to go ahead and say yes to that.
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  I feel like it was like a, a moment in time where Ferrari was
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  just willing to try everything.
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  They kind of threw out this interesting thing out there.
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  Most expensive car was Spartan on the inside.
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  I mean, they were charging all this money for this, this car that was basically
• 16:08
  just like so harsh and, and unusable in so many ways, but such a pure expression
• 16:13
  of what they could do at that time.
• 16:14
  And I like that it has rally car roots in it as well, which is unusual for supercar.
• 16:18
  As a fan of group B, I think you could probably verify that the
• 16:21
  roots of that started in group B.
• 16:23
  It, it was sort of an evolution of their.
• 16:24
  Program that was never really fully completed.
• 16:26
  But you know, that's where it came from.
• 16:28
  So yeah, F40 for me all day long.
• 16:30
  And guys, you know, I'm a Porsche guy through and through there's
• 16:32
  something about an F40 to me.
• 16:34
  It's, it's probably the most desirable Ferrari ever.
• 16:37
  Yeah.
• 16:37
  The nine 59 is just sort of a fancy nine 11.
• 16:40
  Let's be honest.
• 16:41
  Right.
• 16:41
  It's a nine 11 with Quatro.
• 16:43
  I just wanna point that out.
• 16:44
  It's true, true . I mean, it was way ahead of its time.
• 16:48
  Adjustable ride height.
• 16:49
  You know, you can go on and on.
• 16:50
  There's something very special and, and maybe that's what I would actually buy.
• 16:53
  The old Who would you marry?
• 16:54
  Who would you have date?
• 16:55
  You know, I, I think I'd date the F 40, but I'd probably marry the nine.
• 16:59
  Five nine.
• 17:00
  There's a reason I've owned a few Porsches, right?
• 17:02
  They're safe.
• 17:03
  That f40 is a little dangerous maybe.
• 17:05
  And that's what makes it exciting.
• 17:07
  Yeah.
• 17:07
  And I, so I think I'm going to have to go f42.
• 17:11
  That's surprising.
• 17:12
  Brad will never give me the satisfaction because he hates the f40.
• 17:15
  He prefers.
• 17:15
  Really?
• 17:16
  How do you hate it?
• 17:17
  No, no, no, no.
• 17:18
  Okay.
• 17:18
  So in this scenario, I'm at 40 all day long between f50.
• 17:24
  I prefer the f50.
• 17:25
  Interesting.
• 17:26
  Okay.
• 17:26
  So if the question was expanded to Anyone else here would
• 17:29
  take the F 50 over the F 40?
• 17:31
  You're just in between the F 40 and the 959 though, you go F 40.
• 17:34
  Yeah.
• 17:34
  The F 40 is just a visceral experience.
• 17:37
  It's like the epitome of man and machine at its most simplest form.
• 17:41
  Yeah.
• 17:42
  Yeah.
• 17:42
  It's a race car straight up.
• 17:44
  Yeah.
• 17:44
  But so, but so is the F 50.
• 17:46
  Yeah.
• 17:46
  You see that carbon fiber weave, you know, it's, uh, yeah.
• 17:50
  The F 50, they literally took the F 1 motor and put it into a street car.
• 17:54
  I mean, that's a good point.
• 17:55
  Yeah.
• 17:56
  Yeah, but it's, that's not the argument we're having right now.
• 17:59
  It's bloated and it's soft and it just doesn't sing to me in the same way,
• 18:03
  you know, it's, it's the nineties.
• 18:06
  Eric's not a fan of the nineties bubble era.
• 18:08
  He's a fan of the marshmallows since we can take the nineties off the
• 18:14
  table as children of the eighties.
• 18:15
  If you could buy one car from the eighties.
• 18:18
  Alright, I'll go all in and say Vector.
• 18:21
  Ooh!
• 18:22
  Just for shits and grins, right?
• 18:24
  I mean, I'm sure it's a terrible thing to drive.
• 18:26
  I've never even seen one.
• 18:27
  Oh, I got to see one at Car Week in person.
• 18:29
  It's big.
• 18:30
  It's bigger than you think.
• 18:31
  Shout out to our friends at The Peterson, who just did
• 18:34
  something with Car Wow on YouTube.
• 18:36
  I think they drag raced, was it a Vector versus a first gen Viper?
• 18:40
  Shockingly, the Viper broke into the high 12s.
• 18:43
  The Vector was like, I Something like close to high thirteens or something.
• 18:46
  I think it all came down to that terrible three speed hydromatic GM
• 18:50
  transmission, the thing, but yeah, that's what I sort of fantasize about buying.
• 18:54
  Right.
• 18:54
  Because that was vaporware back when we were kids.
• 18:57
  Right.
• 18:57
  Yeah.
• 18:58
  But F40, man, there's just something about an F40.
• 19:01
  There's just something about an F40.
• 19:03
  Doug, what do you think?
• 19:03
  If money was no object, a car from the eighties.
• 19:06
  Yeah, F40 would be up there, but if any car is on the table, it's just as a
• 19:10
  promise to myself, it would be a Countach, and that's, that's just, that's just the,
• 19:15
  uh, six year old self not knowing that those things, not understanding, like,
• 19:18
  the concept of money and how much more expensive those were than other cars, and
• 19:21
  just being able to, like, you know, give that gift to myself now, but I say those
• 19:24
  two, but, you know, I kind of also want to say RS 200 too sometimes, but that's,
• 19:30
  and that's one I was kind of onto a little bit earlier, I think than some people,
• 19:33
  but like, that was also another one that it just also would be so fun to have.
• 19:36
  It's like, that's what hindsight now that would be fun to have.
• 19:38
  Now it would be so exotic.
• 19:40
  No one would know.
• 19:41
  Well, I shouldn't say that no one would see very often here in the United States.
• 19:44
  Could take that to Radwood and you would basically win Radwood if you, if you
• 19:48
  had one of those, but it's something of those things, but I didn't want
• 19:50
  to be boring and just say a 40 again.
• 19:52
  So that's probably really what I would buy.
• 19:53
  When did the F40 actually come out?
• 19:55
  1987.
• 19:56
  Okay.
• 19:56
  Yeah.
• 19:56
  I just want to make sure that was actually an 80s car.
• 19:59
  Yeah, it's legit 80s.
• 20:00
  And based on even older tech, when you've really brought it back, but I
• 20:04
  think it's funny, some of the cars you pick and I too, I'm like, yeah, F40.
• 20:07
  40 is the pinnacle.
• 20:08
  And then, you know, there's a lot of really cool stuff in there.
• 20:11
  And then, you know, I'm a huge group B fan.
• 20:13
  So yes, any of those cars, whether it's the Audi S1, Evo two, or you're
• 20:17
  talking Lancia Deltas or even Renault R5 turbos, you know, something
• 20:20
  that I'm like, you know what?
• 20:22
  I had to have one car and that's the only car I get.
• 20:25
  And I have to just go all in CTR yellow bird.
• 20:28
  How can you go?
• 20:29
  All right.
• 20:29
  Yeah.
• 20:30
  All right.
• 20:30
  Good.
• 20:31
  Good choice.
• 20:32
  It's a good choice too.
• 20:33
  You're the fastest car on the, on the planet for a while there.
• 20:37
  So yeah, I think until McLaren or the EB 110 or Jaguar XJ 220, I think knocked it
• 20:44
  off officially, but yeah, there you go.
• 20:46
  You got that for a while though.
• 20:47
  Got the chance to meet Aloysia Roof.
• 20:49
  At the Peterson the last time I was there.
• 20:51
  And also Bruce Meyer, who we recorded with about a year ago.
• 20:54
  Now, of course, very famously has the first customer roof.
• 20:58
  Yellowbird.
• 20:59
  It's just a thing.
• 21:00
  It has a presence like some cars do, right?
• 21:02
  Doug talks often about the time.
• 21:04
  It was on the, it was a car and driver road and track.
• 21:07
  It was 87 world's fastest car issue.
• 21:10
  It features that yellowbird as well as a lot of just all the other sort of 80s.
• 21:14
  Greatest hits in a big city that I've been to.
• 21:16
  Did you guys ever see the video that Roof put out?
• 21:18
  It's called Roof Fascination.
• 21:20
  You can probably still find it on YouTube.
• 21:22
  It's the guy in the loafers.
• 21:23
  And he's going around the neighborhood.
• 21:24
  Yes, yes, yes, yes.
• 21:25
  Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 21:26
  I've seen that, yeah, yeah.
• 21:27
  I didn't know it was called that.
• 21:28
  I've seen the video on, uh, on YouTube, I think.
• 21:30
  But yeah.
• 21:31
  Just absolutely just caning it right around the, around the ring.
• 21:34
  Yeah, it was a different kind of driving.
• 21:36
  Wasn't it like getting into a new GT three RS or something?
• 21:39
  That was a very different, that was a different animal.
• 21:41
  Well, I'll never forget when I first saw that video, we were at a Porsche
• 21:45
  club meeting here in the DC area.
• 21:47
  And one of the, I think it was either president or vice president of the
• 21:49
  club shows up with this VHS from roof.
• 21:52
  He's like, I got to show you guys something.
• 21:53
  You're never going to believe this.
• 21:55
  Puts it in tracking, you What are we looking at?
• 22:00
  And it opens with the yellow bird just sideways, just torching the tires.
• 22:05
  You're just like, what, what, you know, and I'm just like, my mind is exploding.
• 22:11
  Right.
• 22:14
  Something I don't think maybe like younger enthusiasts may not understand.
• 22:17
  Like it was so unusual to see a car like that in motion with sound and
• 22:22
  everything like that, but you didn't.
• 22:24
  Like you said, there was like this bootleg VHS tape that I had
• 22:27
  to go around for that to see.
• 22:28
  I remember seeing like a tiny clip of an F40 sort of like power sliding around a
• 22:32
  corner just in time, and it had to end out and it pulled it back in just in
• 22:35
  time before it hit the oncoming traffic.
• 22:37
  And I don't even know where that was from, but I mean, it was like 20 years
• 22:40
  until I, you know, started to see this stuff on the regular, you know, with Top
• 22:43
  Gear and now YouTube and everything else.
• 22:45
  We grew up.
• 22:45
  I know you guys have had John Davis on John, but motor week was the only
• 22:50
  sort of like automotive video content that we had access to growing up.
• 22:55
  First time I saw top gear blew my mind.
• 22:57
  You know, I can't imagine, you know, someone takes out this VHS thing.
• 23:01
  Like it's a snuff video or something in your head.
• 23:04
  Amazing.
• 23:04
  It's yeah.
• 23:05
  The other one was rendezvous.
• 23:07
  If you guys have ever seen that, I don't know.
• 23:09
  Yeah.
• 23:09
  It's the old black and white filmed in Paris and the middle of the morning.
• 23:14
  And there's all this speculation as to whether it's a Ferrari or a
• 23:17
  Mercedes and he's just rolling through all in one take and it ends with
• 23:22
  him parking at this park and then he meets his girlfriend or whatever.
• 23:25
  And then the movie just ends and it's like 12 minutes of just absolute chaos
• 23:30
  and glory and just, Oh, it's amazing.
• 23:32
  It's amazing.
• 23:32
  I didn't know that's what it was called, but yeah, you can find it.
• 23:35
  Yeah.
• 23:35
  It's brilliant.
• 23:36
  Yeah.
• 23:36
  It's absolutely brilliant.
• 23:36
  I used to have that on DVD.
• 23:38
  I don't know.
• 23:38
  I don't, we don't have a DVD player anymore, so I don't know.
• 23:40
  I think that I think I should still have the DVD, but I have no way of showing it.
• 23:43
  But yeah, that's an incredible, yeah.
• 23:45
  12 minutes of just pure adrenaline.
• 23:47
  Yeah, exactly.
• 23:48
  Car, just adrenaline.
• 23:49
  Yeah.
• 23:49
  It's all about the fantasy.
• 23:50
  Isn't it way before Ronan, you know?
• 23:52
  So we got that one more question to establish your car credibility
• 23:55
  before we start talking about the steering committee, the show,
• 23:59
  the ugliest car of all time.
• 24:02
  Think that I said at one time it was the Aztec, I went with the flow.
• 24:07
  I realize now it was way ahead of its time.
• 24:09
  I think the first version of the Jeep Renegade is up there for me.
• 24:12
  Hmm.
• 24:13
  Hideous, hideous creature.
• 24:15
  That's about as bad as it gets for me because there are cars
• 24:17
  that are ugly but are funky.
• 24:18
  Right?
• 24:19
  Like they're so bad.
• 24:19
  They're good.
• 24:20
  That was a car that was just terrible.
• 24:22
  I mean, it was, it was a car created for the low credit interest sort of set.
• 24:27
  We're talking about the, uh, the Aztec or the Renegade?
• 24:29
  No, the Renegade, the Jeep Renegade.
• 24:31
  That was just, it was, it wasn't a Jeep and it wasn't a Renegade.
• 24:34
  You know, I don't know my keeps as well.
• 24:35
  Are you talking about the one that had kind of like first one that
• 24:38
  had like square headlights and had those kinds of weird sort of like.
• 24:40
  Pieces of the trim on the bottom of it that were, no, maybe,
• 24:44
  maybe I have the name wrong.
• 24:45
  Sorry.
• 24:45
  So it was, it was the Liberty, but it was like the more street version.
• 24:48
  Was that not the renegade?
• 24:49
  What was that?
• 24:49
  No, that was the compass.
• 24:51
  Oh, the compass.
• 24:51
  Sorry.
• 24:52
  Okay.
• 24:53
  Renegade is basically the Fiat Panda.
• 24:54
  Yeah.
• 24:55
  Sorry.
• 24:55
  Sorry.
• 24:55
  Sorry.
• 24:56
  Sorry.
• 24:57
  The Jeep compass.
• 24:58
  I'm going to go on record now.
• 24:59
  The recent version that they do.
• 25:00
  Yeah.
• 25:01
  Yeah.
• 25:01
  Okay.
• 25:02
  Sorry.
• 25:02
  Although that renegade was damn funky too, right?
• 25:04
  Because it had the extra lights to Doug's point in the fenders.
• 25:07
  Yeah.
• 25:07
  No, that Jeep Compass is the ugliest car.
• 25:09
  I'm going to go on record.
• 25:10
  I know there's worse cars than this.
• 25:12
  I know it.
• 25:12
  I just can't think of them right now, but what's our catfish there,
• 25:15
  Ryan, that we talked about as well.
• 25:17
  Some of those newer Hyundai.
• 25:19
  Yeah.
• 25:19
  They look sort of like bottom feeders, right?
• 25:21
  Yeah.
• 25:22
  Ioniq 6.
• 25:23
  That's the one I'm thinking of.
• 25:23
  Yeah.
• 25:24
  Yeah.
• 25:24
  I'm thinking even like the Elantra.
• 25:26
  The current Elantra is just.
• 25:27
  And the Sonata of recent with those wispy eyes.
• 25:32
  Yeah.
• 25:32
  Real weird.
• 25:33
  Well, what's the sedan that's out now that almost is Porsche like from the side.
• 25:36
  It's very funky.
• 25:37
  It's very about, yeah, that's the ionic six.
• 25:39
  Okay.
• 25:39
  Yeah.
• 25:40
  It looks like a sob.
• 25:41
  That's what we keep saying.
• 25:41
  Yeah.
• 25:41
  Yeah.
• 25:42
  So I kind of hate it, but I kind of love it.
• 25:44
  Yeah.
• 25:44
  The Aztec has always been the go to answer followed by the multi plug.
• 25:48
  And there's a couple other cars.
• 25:50
  Yeah, but that's got character.
• 25:51
  That's got personality.
• 25:53
  There's a vehicle now that takes the cake and Brad has an allotment
• 25:56
  on one, and he is willing to trade it for a bucket of chicken.
• 25:59
  And what is that Brad?
• 26:02
  Oh, you mean the cyber truck?
• 26:04
  That is the new Aztec as far as I'm concerned.
• 26:07
  So you stepped up, you paid the a hundred dollars.
• 26:09
  You got the t shirt.
• 26:10
  What t shirt?
• 26:11
  Wait, there's a t shirt?
• 26:12
  I'm supposed to get a t shirt?
• 26:14
  I never got a t shirt.
• 26:14
  Goddammit Elon Musk, where is my t shirt?
• 26:20
  I paid 100 for a Cybertruck and all I got was no stupid t shirt.
• 26:24
  I'm writing this down because you're getting grief on the next drive thru.
• 26:27
  Brad should have got a t shirt.
• 26:30
  Yeah, you gotta read the fine print there.
• 26:31
  And then, uh, you know, then, but then there's, I'm sure there's a way
• 26:34
  that they backed out of that one.
• 26:35
  So getting the lot man, just to kind of for the story, or is that something
• 26:38
  you might you're interested in getting?
• 26:40
  Or it was never interested in getting it.
• 26:42
  I put in a hundred, I put in a hundred dollars day one.
• 26:45
  The plan was if the vehicle ever showed up, I was going to try and either buy
• 26:50
  it and flip it or sell my place in line.
• 26:54
  I was pretty high up and in line or whatever.
• 26:56
  At least I thought I was, but how's that played out for you?
• 26:59
  There's a whole episode coming out about this.
• 27:01
  I'm out a hundred dollars.
• 27:02
  That's how it's played out for me.
• 27:05
  Yeah.
• 27:05
  He's out.
• 27:05
  Whatever the equivalent of a hundred dollars is in doge coin.
• 27:09
  I just want to pull this out.
• 27:10
  Okay.
• 27:10
  Elon Musk gave me a hundred dollars worth of hopes and dreams.
• 27:15
  Hey, that's not nothing.
• 27:17
  Theoretically a year and a half from where we are right now, a year
• 27:19
  and a half ago, what would you have handicapped the chances of the truck
• 27:22
  actually overall just being produced?
• 27:24
  I would have said one in three, maybe.
• 27:25
  Like, I think I would have been skeptical.
• 27:27
  Yeah, I was a little surprised when we saw the first one.
• 27:30
  I never thought it was coming.
• 27:31
  I thought Tesla was going to fold before it showed up.
• 27:34
  But there's still hope for the Roadster.
• 27:36
  Don't forget, a thousand people put money down for that.
• 27:38
  So, you know.
• 27:40
  That's right.
• 27:41
  Never.
• 27:41
  I mean, never accept any of the dates that they propose, but yeah, it's like if
• 27:44
  we give them enough time, then yes, they will eventually produce a roadster, right?
• 27:47
  Like that's sort of the way that works.
• 27:49
  Who would have ever thought that first, was it called the roadster
• 27:51
  the first time around that Tesla, that Lotus Elise based thing?
• 27:55
  Lotus Elise, yeah.
• 27:56
  And now they're going for a hundred grand and bring a trailer.
• 27:58
  Like what is that?
• 28:00
  That's.
• 28:01
  Yeah, collector.
• 28:02
  I mean, what comes out first, the Tesla roadster or the new DeLorean?
• 28:06
  Oh, that's fighting words there, man.
• 28:12
  I know nothing about the funding behind a new DeLorean or anything like that.
• 28:15
  I don't even know if it exists, but I would actually potentially say it might
• 28:18
  come out ahead of the Tesla roadster, but I just don't have any faith in
• 28:21
  Tesla in terms of like meeting any goal that they set for themselves, so.
• 28:25
  Tell us about this new DeLorean because I've heard about new DeLoreans
• 28:28
  coming out now for a few years.
• 28:29
  There was some guy who said he was John DeLorean's illegitimate son.
• 28:33
  There's a couple different versions of the new DeLorean.
• 28:36
  You did some work with Kat DeLorean on the show last year or something.
• 28:40
  We did a mini series with Kat.
• 28:42
  That's John's only daughter.
• 28:43
  Okay.
• 28:44
  Basically, she's designing her own car and it's going to be a mid engine supercar.
• 28:48
  She actually got together with one of the designers that's at Rimac
• 28:52
  and Bugatti and did a tribute.
• 28:54
  To the original DMC 12.
• 28:55
  So we had him on and they're still working the bugs out, trying to figure
• 28:59
  out, you know, how they're going to develop the car, they want to build
• 29:01
  it here in the United States, actually back in Detroit, all that kind of stuff.
• 29:04
  At the same time, there's a bunch of guys that left Fisker and started
• 29:09
  what they called DeLorean re imagined, and they had a car that came out at.
• 29:12
  Car Week two years ago, which is actually based on the Jujaro inspired etal design
• 29:20
  DaVinci, which is a prototype, which has goal wings on sky like a thing.
• 29:24
  And then to make things muddier, Steve Wynn.
• 29:28
  Bought the DeLorean motor company.
• 29:30
  I didn't know that.
• 29:31
  Yeah.
• 29:31
  Steve Wynn is in the Vegas casino tycoon.
• 29:34
  He bought the DeLorean motor company, moved it to Humboldt, Texas, and
• 29:38
  they actually were talking about doing their own EV based on the
• 29:41
  old car and all this kind of stuff.
• 29:43
  Okay.
• 29:43
  There's three DeLoreans in the mix.
• 29:45
  I don't know which the tortoise or the hare that's going to come out.
• 29:48
  But wasn't there some weird three wheeler or something in the mix?
• 29:51
  So that was some guy in like the Eastern block claiming job.
• 29:56
  Yeah.
• 29:56
  Yeah.
• 29:57
  Is the group that's headed by John DeLorean's daughter.
• 30:00
  Is that planning to be an electric or an internal combustion engine?
• 30:04
  Runs off water, Doug.
• 30:05
  Like a hybrid.
• 30:06
  Okay.
• 30:06
  Yeah, no, not like a hybrid.
• 30:08
  Having two options, having a V8 power plant and then having an electric
• 30:12
  power plant, and then you get the option of either in the same chassis
• 30:15
  rather than two different cars.
• 30:17
  And so that's something that when we had Angel Guerrero on, he
• 30:20
  explained how he designed the car to accept different power plants.
• 30:23
  And so that way, if they wanted to run big block Chevy, they could, you know,
• 30:27
  or an LS, or if they wanted to run a Ford or even a German motor, like a
• 30:31
  Mercedes AMG, it would fit all of it.
• 30:33
  And then there was enough room, the way he kind of stacked the chassis
• 30:38
  that he could still center balance the batteries and the EV system.
• 30:42
  So it'd be rear wheel drive and all this kind of thing.
• 30:44
  So it's really well crafted from a theoretical perspective, but now
• 30:49
  it's How do we build this thing so we can do exactly what we said?
• 30:52
  That'd be an interesting design study.
• 30:54
  I mean, the shape and the way that an internal combustion engine works and the
• 30:58
  required drive train is really, that's a lot of what the sort of the hard
• 31:01
  points of the car have to be, you know?
• 31:02
  I mean, it's really dictated a lot by that.
• 31:04
  And to have something designed both ways, that sounds like an interesting challenge.
• 31:08
  And I think his experience at both Bugatti and at Rimac led him to that
• 31:12
  conclusion that he could do it because he had a hand in the designing.
• 31:15
  The Nivera and some of the other, not the Bugatti Devo, but one of the other ones
• 31:20
  that's of like a similar design and shape.
• 31:22
  And you kind of see his design language in those cars.
• 31:25
  And so he's taking from his own imagination, but his own experience
• 31:28
  developed something like that.
• 31:29
  So it's really cool.
• 31:30
  We don't know how it's going to pan out, but we'll see.
• 31:32
  Right.
• 31:32
  Yeah, that's exciting.
• 31:34
  Even though I just found out about all of these, I still have more faith in one of
• 31:37
  those companies getting to the finish line before, uh, well, when you don't play by
• 31:40
  the rules, you can do whatever you want.
• 31:42
  Pretty much.
• 31:43
  Well, plus the odds are in my favor.
• 31:44
  There's three entities going for it.
• 31:46
  So I think I have a better chance.
• 31:48
  All right.
• 31:48
  Well, Brad, why don't we switch gears?
• 31:50
  So let's talk about the steering committee and your podcast.
• 31:54
  And so what is the steering committee all about?
• 31:56
  Where'd you come up with the name for it?
• 31:58
  Like Doug said earlier, I think we were originally supposed to be called
• 32:00
  Bourbon and Backfires or something.
• 32:01
  I'm so glad we didn't go with that.
• 32:03
  The steering committee, I'm not even sure where that came up.
• 32:05
  It seemed clever at the time.
• 32:07
  We were texting back and forth about names and I threw something out there.
• 32:11
  It wasn't the steering committee, but Ryan thought that that's what
• 32:13
  I texted or said or something.
• 32:15
  That's, no, that's right.
• 32:15
  Yeah, I remember that now.
• 32:16
  Yeah, he said steering committee.
• 32:18
  So that's great.
• 32:18
  And I was like, oh, that is great.
• 32:20
  I didn't come up with that, but that is great.
• 32:22
  Honestly, we still bounced around a few ideas, but I don't think
• 32:24
  either of us came off of that one.
• 32:26
  Yeah, no, I think like a lot of things, it was just a happy accident.
• 32:29
  You know, I think we spent a lot of time starting out trying
• 32:32
  to be like other people, right?
• 32:33
  I mean, of course, you know, there's Matt Farah and the Smoking Tire
• 32:36
  and Zach and Spikes Car Radio.
• 32:38
  And I think from the get go, we knew we weren't going to be car reviewers.
• 32:41
  There are plenty of people doing car reviews.
• 32:43
  I think for us, it was always just sort of about the hang, right?
• 32:46
  Let's hang out.
• 32:46
  Let's talk cars, maybe smoke a cigar, have a little bourbon, you know, Denver's got a
• 32:51
  pretty wonderful, robust car scene, right?
• 32:54
  So we never have any lack of guests or people.
• 32:57
  I think once we stopped trying to be someone else is when we sort of found
• 33:00
  our voice and I think that's what we are.
• 33:03
  We're a hang, you know, we, we have listeners that.
• 33:05
  Reach out to us and say, Hey, I live in Peoria, Illinois.
• 33:08
  We don't have a car community in the same way that you guys do.
• 33:11
  So I like to go out in my garage on a Sunday, work on my car and
• 33:13
  listen to the steering committee and you're sort of like my car pals.
• 33:16
  Cause I don't have any car pals like that locally.
• 33:18
  And I think once we embrace that again, we sort of found our way.
• 33:21
  No, absolutely.
• 33:22
  I mean, when that listener wrote that to us and explained what he did, that
• 33:26
  was one of the nicest things anyone's ever said about it, just that you guys
• 33:28
  are my car friends, like I can put you on and listen, that's what we want.
• 33:31
  We want our guests to come on.
• 33:32
  We want them to relax.
• 33:34
  Many people don't have the chance to talk to other car
• 33:36
  people in their day to day life.
• 33:37
  So that if we can provide that for our guests and then for our wider audience,
• 33:41
  I think that's for me is what makes a really successful show, is just that great
• 33:43
  conversation that you get excited about.
• 33:45
  We'll never claim to be car experts.
• 33:47
  We have a tagline.
• 33:48
  I think we stole it from Bob Lutz, which is Tell them right, but never in doubt.
• 33:51
  That's our philosophies.
• 33:52
  Or credo.
• 33:54
  Yeah, you know, in all seriousness, it's not always about being right.
• 33:56
  It's just about being like really interested in cars and just wanting
• 33:59
  to talk about it and just having the conversation go further.
• 34:02
  I will never claim to be right about a lot of things, whatever metaphor you
• 34:05
  want to use, the campfire or just the hang or just the little club you get to
• 34:08
  come in and just sort of talk cars and really get it all out of your system.
• 34:11
  Doug and I both have day jobs.
• 34:12
  Doug's an attorney.
• 34:13
  I am like a creative manager, creative director at a big consulting company.
• 34:18
  You know, we don't get to scratch this itch, you know, nine to five.
• 34:21
  And so it's a great sort of counterbalance to that.
• 34:24
  I grew up wanting to be a car journalist again, car and driver.
• 34:27
  I got to meet Chubba Chetta here.
• 34:30
  You know, the name looks nothing like how it's spelled.
• 34:34
  Right.
• 34:34
  Yeah.
• 34:34
  You know, from car and driver, he lives here locally, you know, it was
• 34:37
  a, it was a dream for me to meet him, but I grew up wanting to be a car.
• 34:40
  Journalist.
• 34:41
  I knew I was never going to be an engineering major.
• 34:43
  I knew I was never going to be a journalism major.
• 34:45
  I mean, I barely scratched my way through art school.
• 34:47
  This is sort of that, that outlet.
• 34:49
  Finally, we get to do this.
• 34:50
  We get together once a week and talk cars.
• 34:52
  This has opened up so many doors for us.
• 34:53
  We've met people.
• 34:54
  I never would never dreamt that I would have met.
• 34:56
  Met great people, seen great things, you know, had an opportunity to participate
• 35:00
  in great events just as a result of this.
• 35:02
  So it's, it's been wonderful from that perspective.
• 35:04
  It's a little escape from like reality, right?
• 35:06
  Like just from the nine to five from the daily grind, right?
• 35:09
  Where we can just sit around.
• 35:11
  To my earlier point, I mean, we've had reoccurring guests.
• 35:13
  We have friends, we have friends of the show.
• 35:14
  And yeah, they look forward to it.
• 35:15
  They look forward to getting an invite back.
• 35:17
  They love to come back and hang out.
• 35:19
  You know, our audience, they get excited about a new episode.
• 35:21
  They get disappointed when one isn't released, for example.
• 35:24
  So, you know, we're just happy to provide that for them.
• 35:26
  And that's one of the probably more rewarding things about podcasting.
• 35:30
  It's not the reviews, not even the letters.
• 35:32
  Sometimes it's that.
• 35:33
  Dependency you've created where somebody is like, I want the
• 35:37
  next episode of the committee.
• 35:38
  I can't get enough of what you guys are doing and that's what motivates you.
• 35:42
  Right.
• 35:42
  And so I like your goals.
• 35:44
  Brad and I, we talk about our show all the time.
• 35:47
  He's quoted as saying what Brad who wants to listen to what we have to say.
• 35:50
  Exactly.
• 35:51
  Right.
• 35:51
  So we were sort of like never thinking about Matt Farah or the smoking
• 35:54
  tire Kameesa or any of those guys.
• 35:56
  But to your point, every once in a while you get something
• 35:58
  that slides across your desk.
• 35:59
  And somebody told us, you're like, you guys are like a cross
• 36:02
  between motor week and NPR.
• 36:03
  And I'm like, you know what?
• 36:04
  I'm going to take that to the bank.
• 36:06
  That's a good place to be.
• 36:08
  That's good.
• 36:09
  Yeah, yeah.
• 36:10
  What we actually thought was Car Talk had just come off the air.
• 36:13
  The older brother had just passed away.
• 36:14
  And we were like, there's a hole here in the space.
• 36:18
  Like, who's going to take over for them?
• 36:19
  Did they have anybody that was going to step up to the plate?
• 36:22
  Nobody can really replace Car Talk.
• 36:24
  But you're sort of like a void was created in the autosphere.
• 36:27
  And COVID also helped that it's like, let's sort of jump in there
• 36:30
  and try to fill that space if we can.
• 36:32
  I love what you guys are doing.
• 36:33
  I think it's fun.
• 36:34
  And I think you're adhering to the golden rule of any chat show,
• 36:38
  which is keeping it conversational.
• 36:39
  You're making people feel like they're there with you, sipping the bourbon and
• 36:43
  smoking the cigars and having a good time.
• 36:45
  So I commend you for it.
• 36:46
  Well, thanks.
• 36:47
  You know, everyone has a story, right?
• 36:49
  And they don't have to be a big name, a famous person to have the story.
• 36:51
  Sure.
• 36:52
  Bruce Meyer has got a great story, but so does Ted at our local shop,
• 36:55
  Axe and Allies, you know, He's one of our favorite guests because
• 36:59
  he's a wonderful storyteller.
• 37:00
  He knows everything about everything.
• 37:03
  He can tell you the difference between, you know, the 12 different kinds of
• 37:06
  wrenches he needs to use, you know, and the cars that come in his shop.
• 37:09
  I mean, that's gold, right?
• 37:11
  That's as good as anything.
• 37:12
  Right.
• 37:12
  And he's a guy just up the street.
• 37:13
  Through this podcast, through this medium, we've had a chance to
• 37:15
  really discover these people to us.
• 37:17
  I mean, just, you know, meet them and then introduce them to our audience.
• 37:20
  And that's always, what's fun.
• 37:21
  I think we're also just lucky that we also have all these other great shows
• 37:25
  to listen to yours show included.
• 37:27
  But we have like just this wealth of just great stuff that I would have
• 37:29
  killed to have when I was younger.
• 37:31
  You had to kind of wait that 30 days till the new magazine
• 37:33
  came out or something like that.
• 37:34
  Or, you know, motor week.
• 37:35
  If you have that, if you're lucky, even though Massachusetts,
• 37:38
  I actually never listened to click and clack car talk at all.
• 37:41
  Yeah.
• 37:42
  And they were based on a WBUR.
• 37:43
  I'm familiar with it.
• 37:44
  I've listened to enough to know who the two guys are and recognize them when
• 37:47
  they were in the cars movies, but I've never really listened to that show.
• 37:50
  Maybe that was a missed opportunity on my part.
• 37:52
  To that point where we have like a spoil of like automotive riches these days.
• 37:56
  It just shocks me every time that anyone listens to us.
• 37:59
  Yeah.
• 37:59
  I'm always tickled when we see.
• 38:00
  We talked on this last show about apparently have a following
• 38:03
  in Andorra of all places.
• 38:05
  Doug didn't even know that was a country.
• 38:06
  I hardly knew it was a country.
• 38:08
  Right.
• 38:08
  But like, here we are, there are people in Andorra listening to our show.
• 38:12
  Like, and it's amazing.
• 38:13
  We were number one in Senegal this week.
• 38:15
  That's no kidding.
• 38:16
  Number one.
• 38:16
  Wow.
• 38:20
  That's awesome.
• 38:20
  They go right up on the wall as a trophy.
• 38:22
  Yeah.
• 38:23
  Makes you feel good.
• 38:24
  You know, yeah.
• 38:25
  There's a deep and rich Volkswagen car culture in Senegal, apparently.
• 38:28
  I bet, yeah.
• 38:30
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 38:31
  So why don't you guys talk about some of the lessons you've learned
• 38:34
  while doing the Steering Committee?
• 38:36
  If you want something, ask.
• 38:37
  And that's just a good life lesson too.
• 38:39
  You got to get past that fear of being said no to.
• 38:41
  And honest to God, like, I mean, it doesn't even happen that often.
• 38:44
  I, there's, I think the one interview or the one guest that we wanted that
• 38:48
  hasn't worked out is Paul Zuckerman.
• 38:50
  And it's not that he turned us down.
• 38:52
  It's that.
• 38:52
  One question turned into 20 questions, right?
• 38:54
  I mean, he's the defense attorney, right?
• 38:57
  Gave you a direct examination, as we say.
• 38:58
  You're like, wait, who's interviewing who here, right?
• 39:01
  Yeah.
• 39:01
  Yeah.
• 39:01
  It was very quickly that, and we'll get him yet.
• 39:04
  We'll have you on yet, Zuckerman.
• 39:06
  But you know, I mean, people are generally really receptive.
• 39:10
  You know, you've got to build up a little bit of a foundation, right?
• 39:13
  I mean, you can't go out, show one and expect, you know, Mr.
• 39:15
  X to be on.
• 39:16
  But, you know, after you've got a few shows in the hand,
• 39:18
  people want to talk, right?
• 39:20
  People want to, I think that's my biggest takeaway.
• 39:23
  If you want something, ask.
• 39:24
  And people in the car world are generally very nice, very accommodating.
• 39:29
  God, when we got plugged in with our pal, Tom Horan and the Colorado grand, I
• 39:33
  mean, that was a real game changer for us because we just met so many people from
• 39:36
  that never in a million years did we think we'd be involved with a group like that.
• 39:39
  If you want something to ask, if someone says no, you get over.
• 39:42
  Was there a guest who surprised you?
• 39:45
  Like something happened.
• 39:46
  You were like, wow, I didn't know that.
• 39:47
  Or you gotta be kidding me.
• 39:48
  You know, like one of those moments where you're just taken aback.
• 39:52
  I'm going to mention Bruce Meyer again, only because he told us his origin story,
• 39:57
  which was that he had this candle shop.
• 39:59
  In Beverly Hills, which turned into a candle warehouse, we're
• 40:02
  reading between the lines.
• 40:03
  I think it was probably a head shop, right?
• 40:05
  Like it was the sixties.
• 40:06
  He was a surfer.
• 40:06
  He was like this cool guy or whatever.
• 40:08
  So he was someone who surprised me and he, he surprised me as well.
• 40:11
  And that he was just so kind.
• 40:13
  So accommodating one hour turned into four or five hours.
• 40:16
  I think we put him up on this pedestal and it's sort of this, you know, this
• 40:19
  celeb and, and when we got there, he just couldn't have been nicer.
• 40:21
  So he surprised us in the best way, but Doug, maybe you have another great
• 40:25
  example, but my other example I was thinking of was we have a friend who asked
• 40:28
  us to basically interview his father.
• 40:31
  So this is the Willeth Woods senior episode in his youth.
• 40:34
  He'd spent a summer as a photographer on the formula one circuit, sort of
• 40:37
  in the height of the seventies there.
• 40:38
  And that sort of time period.
• 40:40
  And you know, because his father's getting up there in age and he really wanted to
• 40:43
  have this nice, uh, Sort of thing that he could get some of the memories out there
• 40:46
  into an audio format, where maybe they could be shared with other people before.
• 40:49
  Maybe he couldn't do that himself.
• 40:50
  We were happy to oblige.
• 40:52
  We were very excited about it, but man, I mean, not just the formula one stores,
• 40:55
  but he just sat back and just gave us all of these incredible stories, just
• 40:59
  these interesting experiences, you know, from, uh, you know, how many cattle it
• 41:02
  takes to buy a Porsche to, you know, like being in a sleazy motel and, uh,
• 41:07
  you Here in Denver and having to shoot roaches off the wall with his six shooter.
• 41:10
  And you know, that kind of thing, like just in no idea where the stories
• 41:13
  were going, but they were all amazing.
• 41:14
  And we just had the, we had the best time with that, I think, with that show.
• 41:17
  And the best part about that, the surprise really was, so
• 41:19
  Willis is actually a sponsor.
• 41:21
  He owns a company here in Denver called Rhino Signworks.
• 41:24
  They do signage for like the coolest places, including here, did ours.
• 41:27
  Right above you there.
• 41:28
  He didn't know that his dad had had this chapter in his life.
• 41:32
  He was going through some old stuff and found these old photos and he never knew
• 41:35
  that his dad had been an F1 photographer for a year or two back in the 70s.
• 41:40
  Had all these wild stories.
• 41:41
  You never know who you're talking to.
• 41:43
  Exactly.
• 41:43
  True.
• 41:44
  That was a great episode and a great surprise, so.
• 41:46
  Eric's got a story similar to that where it's the apple car, because everybody was
• 41:50
  telling you, you got to talk to this guy.
• 41:51
  Uh, who was it?
• 41:52
  It was Bob Garrison.
• 41:53
  Bob Garrison.
• 41:54
  Yeah.
• 41:54
  And now we're opening the kimono here a little bit.
• 41:58
  Nobody gave us any information ahead of time.
• 42:01
  All we knew was that he was a racer like back in the seventies and a friend of
• 42:05
  ours, who's in the GTM clubhouse, Sky Allen is like, you got to interview Bob.
• 42:09
  You got to interview Bob.
• 42:10
  He's like, you know, 90 some years old.
• 42:11
  You got to interview him.
• 42:12
  Bye bye.
• 42:12
  And we're like, okay, who's Bob?
• 42:13
  You know?
• 42:14
  What about Bob?
• 42:15
  I felt like Richard Dreyfuss the whole time.
• 42:16
  I'm like, I don't care.
• 42:18
  So I'm like calling up people I know and museums and stuff.
• 42:21
  Like, who is this guy?
• 42:22
  Like I'm, I'm reaching into the archives, trying to find his racing records.
• 42:26
  And it's not a whole lot of information.
• 42:28
  One of our co hosts who drops in for these types of episodes,
• 42:31
  Mike Carr, he's like a guru.
• 42:33
  Like he grew up with Al Holbert and he followed them around
• 42:36
  and all this kind of stuff.
• 42:37
  And so he knew Randy Lanier and he's been fabulous.
• 42:39
  Even Mike was like, I don't know who this guy is.
• 42:42
  So as he's talking, he's on the phone.
• 42:44
  He can't see us.
• 42:45
  If you watch the behind the scenes, it's hilarious.
• 42:47
  Cause we're like, I don't know where to take this.
• 42:49
  You know, and he just keeps talking and telling stories and we're sort
• 42:51
  of pulling and we're hearing names like Ray Hall and blah, blah, blah.
• 42:56
  And then he starts talking about Wozniak and I'm like, Continues to digress.
• 43:01
  And I asked this question all of a sudden about, tell me
• 43:04
  about Gerritsen enterprises.
• 43:05
  Cause I found that little piece of information.
• 43:07
  He goes, Oh yeah, blah, blah, blah.
• 43:09
  And he used to service so and so's cars.
• 43:10
  And the marketing guy from Apple came over and then, you know, Steve
• 43:13
  Jobs brought over his piece of junk.
• 43:15
  And one day I was sitting down and I said, you know, I got to get your name
• 43:17
  on the side of one of my cars and Mike's.
• 43:19
  Head exploded and we're texting each other.
• 43:22
  Like, do you know who this is?
• 43:23
  I know who this is now.
• 43:24
  Like we figured it out.
• 43:26
  So it was unbelievable because he's like the best kept secret in racing.
• 43:30
  And he won the championship that year.
• 43:32
  And he's the guy that owned the apple nine 35.
• 43:35
  And so he tells the story and it's hilarious.
• 43:38
  Like I go to car week or I go to petite Lamonts and I see all
• 43:41
  these cars with the apple computer livery on it from the nine 35.
• 43:45
  And I'm like, do you know the story?
• 43:47
  And they're like, nah, man, I just think it's cool.
• 43:48
  And I'm like, yeah, the story is amazing.
• 43:51
  And here's where you can download it.
• 43:52
  Right.
• 43:52
  That is so cool.
• 43:54
  Yeah.
• 43:54
  You never know who you're talking with, you know, and who might show
• 43:57
  up or who you might refer to, you know, we got to be friends with a
• 44:00
  guy by the name of William Taylor.
• 44:02
  And William Taylor was just a guy who lived in Denver.
• 44:05
  He ran something called the auto archives, which was this automotive library.
• 44:09
  Well, come to find out William has this long and storied history.
• 44:12
  It is currently.
• 44:14
  He runs a classic team Lotus back in the UK.
• 44:18
  It's the guy that was just here in Littleton, Colorado.
• 44:20
  He walked in the first time, Doug, and he's got all these signs, you
• 44:23
  know, helmets from all the greats, you know, personal stories, but everyone,
• 44:26
  he knew everyone in formula one.
• 44:28
  I mean, we saw the collection, but we just figured he was kind of a
• 44:31
  fan and he had this library, but no, he had worked on several books.
• 44:34
  He had interviewed pretty much every world championship.
• 44:37
  Formula one driver that raced for McLaren and for some other teams, he
• 44:40
  put together these beautiful books.
• 44:42
  I mean, the list of people that he was on a first name basis with was stunning.
• 44:46
  Phil Hill to James Garner, all the way up to Emerson Fittipaldi, Bruce McLaren,
• 44:51
  and later on, like the head of the McLaren racing now or head of McLaren.
• 44:54
  Now.
• 44:55
  So, I mean, he knew all these people, he had them all in his contacts,
• 44:57
  you know, he was in our backyard.
• 44:59
  We call that the golden Rolodex.
• 45:01
  Yeah, exactly.
• 45:02
  No, I mean, he's like, Oh yeah.
• 45:03
  And he had a great story on any of them.
• 45:05
  And if we ping pong into any of these guys in our conversation,
• 45:08
  he would have something.
• 45:09
  Again, Ryan, this is making me think too, when we had that Porsche draft
• 45:12
  episode way back when, just sort of a brain fart of an idea I came up with.
• 45:17
  And we had the last second, had a guest drop out, just kind
• 45:19
  of unexpectedly ghosted us.
• 45:21
  We pulled in a, who are now I consider a good friend, Justin Underwood
• 45:24
  at Porsche of Colorado Springs.
• 45:25
  I mean, we were talking about Porsche's drafting on these fantasy cars.
• 45:29
  We've never driven them, but he had a story for every single one.
• 45:32
  He could come in there and just give us color commentary.
• 45:34
  Just like he was, you know, like an ex quarterback in a football game.
• 45:36
  Like, yeah, let me tell you about the clutch on that.
• 45:38
  Let me tell you about how the startup procedure goes on that.
• 45:41
  Cars that were, you know, fantasy cars for us.
• 45:43
  And he's become a good friend.
• 45:44
  He runs, yeah, the classic center down at Porsche Colorado Springs.
• 45:47
  Shout out to him and John Deisty who do the first dibs podcast down there.
• 45:51
  Good, happy accidents.
• 45:52
  And, you know, you talked about things you've learned and another thing, not
• 45:55
  only do you need to ask what you need to put yourself in these situations, right?
• 45:59
  I mean, it's all wonderful to throw darts, but I mean, if you aim the darts, right?
• 46:02
  Like it, you know, things generally come out in your favor.
• 46:05
  So you guys have already mentioned a couple episodes that, you know, stick out
• 46:09
  in your minds, but I'm a new listener.
• 46:11
  Coming to the steering committee for the first time, where do you point me to?
• 46:15
  What are some top hits?
• 46:16
  Or do you have a best of playlist of episodes that are, are your
• 46:19
  favorites or that are fan friendly?
• 46:21
  You do a good way to gateway into becoming a steering committee fan.
• 46:24
  And we all apologize for our first season, right?
• 46:27
  I mean, that's just, I'm sorry.
• 46:31
  I'm sorry.
• 46:31
  In episode one.
• 46:32
  Oh my God.
• 46:33
  Yeah.
• 46:33
  That cringe is my 11 year old daughter would say.
• 46:36
  Yeah.
• 46:37
  I feel like Apple did something recently where they like change the order.
• 46:40
  If you don't default it to, and it's just, I can't think of, you know, who
• 46:43
  might be listening to that early stuff.
• 46:45
  But Doug, I think you probably would agree.
• 46:46
  Bruce Meyer's a great place to start.
• 46:48
  Terry Kargis, the executive director at the Peterson museum
• 46:51
  is one that I'm very proud of.
• 46:52
  Yeah, absolutely.
• 46:53
  Mike Koons, who's not done a lot of podcasts and media.
• 46:56
  He's the gentleman who runs the Mercedes Benz Classic Center
• 47:00
  in Long Beach, California.
• 47:01
  That's another one.
• 47:02
  I think the ones we did at the Colorado grand where it
• 47:05
  was bourbon and cigar night.
• 47:07
  So we've got all these participants and you get everyone in the Colorado grand.
• 47:10
  That was a rare reappearance of the original band.
• 47:12
  Again, we brought that out for that show, the bourbons and backfire.
• 47:16
  Yeah.
• 47:16
  Yeah.
• 47:17
  I mean, to talk to people, you know, whose names, you know,
• 47:19
  having a great time at the grand.
• 47:21
  So for example, this year, I mean, even to make it easier, we put together
• 47:24
  around the holidays when things get a little tight with recording schedule,
• 47:26
  we did put together bundles of.
• 47:28
  What we think are some of our best episodes kind of is one
• 47:31
  big long episode to listen to.
• 47:33
  We're thinking along road trip lines, cause that's what a lot of people will be
• 47:35
  doing around Thanksgiving and Christmas.
• 47:37
  Those are good ones to check out.
• 47:38
  And I think those include many of the episodes we're talking about is we
• 47:41
  didn't put Ted Axe in there, right?
• 47:43
  Cause we hadn't recorded that one yet, but that's another one.
• 47:46
  Anything with Ted Axe, he is just a fun hang to listen to that.
• 47:49
  That's some of our best representation of just sort of the way we can be
• 47:52
  kind of a casual, funny sort of hang.
• 47:54
  Well, I'm going to start listening to all those then.
• 47:56
  After I get through your first season.
• 48:01
  You can listen to the first season if you want.
• 48:03
  So we did pick out one.
• 48:04
  We did it about a year ago where we went back and re listened to our
• 48:07
  first episode and then basically gave like audio commentary over it.
• 48:10
  Mystery Science Theater 2000s.
• 48:13
  Oh my God, Eric, we gotta do that.
• 48:15
  Yeah, we should.
• 48:16
  That's how we'll celebrate 300, I guess.
• 48:19
  You guys have 300 episodes.
• 48:20
  Oh yeah.
• 48:21
  That's impressive guys.
• 48:22
  Yeah.
• 48:22
  Where are you guys at?
• 48:23
  177 I think is where we are now.
• 48:26
  Yeah.
• 48:26
  Early on.
• 48:27
  It was kind of like whenever we felt like it, then it became weekly
• 48:30
  and going back to when you asked about like, what have we learned?
• 48:32
  I mean, you know, I think you guys know this with podcasts.
• 48:34
  It has to be part of a habit.
• 48:35
  It's best to do it.
• 48:36
  On a regular schedule and have it upload on the same day.
• 48:38
  You don't want it, you know, popping up all over the place.
• 48:40
  You're not always in the mood.
• 48:42
  Yeah, no, it's true.
• 48:42
  What do you guys do when you're not in the mood, right?
• 48:44
  Like, I mean, you know, it's just, you just The secret is called a backlog.
• 48:48
  Yeah, see, and you guys are good.
• 48:50
  Yeah, yeah.
• 48:50
  Good for that, yeah.
• 48:51
  Well, we're from Colorado.
• 48:52
  We're much like South Park.
• 48:54
  We're putting this together every week, you know, like on the fly.
• 48:57
  I don't know if people understand that reference, but yeah, those
• 48:59
  guys like Put that show together every single week live, basically.
• 49:02
  Eric, who's a huge fan of history.
• 49:04
  I mean, he really gets into all this.
• 49:06
  I mean, this is right in his wheelhouse, you know, and just hearing all these
• 49:09
  stories and going back in time and just listening to everybody, it's
• 49:13
  not work for him, you know, to be able to do this, the labor of love.
• 49:17
  That's why it's so easy for him.
• 49:19
  Yeah.
• 49:20
  I can't say I'm super pumped every single week, but I would say almost every week
• 49:23
  though, I don't have many days where I don't want to sit down and talk cars.
• 49:26
  So that does make it easier.
• 49:28
  Cause I know that was another question people asked me right off the bat.
• 49:30
  When I started telling him about this podcast, I was like,
• 49:32
  well, what do you talk about?
• 49:33
  How do you come up with stuff to talk about?
• 49:34
  And I'm like.
• 49:35
  I don't know how to answer that question.
• 49:36
  I just always, I always have something to talk about.
• 49:38
  I don't know.
• 49:39
  I'm just always willing to go into something.
• 49:41
  I'm always willing to learn something, listen to someone, or
• 49:43
  just put my own two cents out there.
• 49:44
  Well, we know that the job of a podcaster is never over.
• 49:48
  And Eric likes to talk about the Mount Rushmore of guests.
• 49:52
  Mount Everest, Mount Everest.
• 49:53
  Yes.
• 49:54
  The Mount Everest of guests that we're trying to reach the top of that summit.
• 49:57
  But for you guys, what are some bucket list guests or what's your Mount Everest
• 50:01
  of guests that you're trying to get to?
• 50:03
  That's a great question, because I feel like so many of our best shows have been
• 50:07
  with like regular people and so many of the big names you've heard them before.
• 50:11
  What about you Doug?
• 50:12
  Do you have, is there someone who.
• 50:13
  Yeah, there's one off the top of the head that I could think of.
• 50:15
  That'd be great for us.
• 50:16
  Cause I think it would be a good conversation and I also think it
• 50:19
  would be great promotion for us.
• 50:20
  Jack Shepard.
• 50:21
  He is a huge podcaster and he is a huge bonafide car guy.
• 50:25
  He's got the chops for that.
• 50:27
  And I think it would be funny.
• 50:28
  I think it'd be a fun guest to have on the shows.
• 50:29
  I actually saw one of his shows live here in Denver when they came out here.
• 50:32
  Armchair expert, I think is the name of his show.
• 50:34
  It's a big one.
• 50:35
  So yeah, that would be one.
• 50:36
  I'd love to chat with him.
• 50:37
  I always thought he was funny.
• 50:38
  I thought, I think he's a cool guy.
• 50:39
  I think it would be fun to hang out with.
• 50:40
  So that's up there for me.
• 50:42
  I think for me, and I mentioned Chabacheta before a long time, you
• 50:45
  know, editor in chief of car and driver.
• 50:47
  He's someone who I met locally.
• 50:48
  He's kind of my white whale because he's a PCA guy.
• 50:51
  He's very involved.
• 50:52
  I reached out to him.
• 50:53
  I didn't hear back.
• 50:54
  I'm not quite sure if maybe he didn't get the message.
• 50:56
  I would love to have him on because I think he was at the helm.
• 51:00
  I think in my eyes, the best period in time for car and driver.
• 51:03
  And he also very famously was one who introduced a redesign.
• 51:08
  Being a graphic designer.
• 51:09
  And this was a redesign that really fell flat and he stuck with it.
• 51:13
  And I have a million questions for him.
• 51:16
  He's, I think a principled guy.
• 51:18
  I think he had some of the best writers were under him when he
• 51:21
  was entered and he's a local, so he's like, he's right there, but
• 51:23
  haven't quite made that happen yet.
• 51:25
  So Chabacheta, if you're listening.
• 51:27
  I'll dab you on the steering committee sometime.
• 51:29
  You gotta speak it to manifest it, you know?
• 51:31
  You gotta put it out there.
• 51:31
  That's right.
• 51:32
  He's listening in Senegal.
• 51:33
  Yeah.
• 51:35
  Maybe he knows someone in Senegal, yeah.
• 51:36
  We'll get the word out to him.
• 51:38
  Not Chubba necessarily, but so many of these guys, they're getting up in years.
• 51:42
  We need to have them on.
• 51:43
  We need to get their stories down.
• 51:45
  That can be around forever, right?
• 51:47
  None of us will, right?
• 51:47
  True.
• 51:49
  to one of Brad's.
• 51:51
  I'm curious.
• 51:51
  Yeah.
• 51:52
  Who is this for you guys?
• 51:53
  So on Brad's side of Mount Everest, right?
• 51:55
  So there's two sides to the peak.
• 51:56
  Obviously we got really, really close to heartthrob played McDreamy on television.
• 52:02
  We're talking Patrick Dempsey.
• 52:05
  He'd be a great guest.
• 52:07
  Patrick's a pal of one of our friends, JJ Collier.
• 52:09
  That's another great episode.
• 52:11
  You should check out.
• 52:11
  He's actually been on a couple of times.
• 52:13
  If this really is your, I don't know, your white whale, let us know.
• 52:16
  Maybe we can try to connect you.
• 52:18
  Yes, I think so.
• 52:18
  Yeah, for sure.
• 52:19
  He wants to talk to McDreamy.
• 52:21
  That might be the one episode my wife listens to.
• 52:26
  That makes me feel better.
• 52:26
  Cause I don't think my wife has listened to one of our episodes.
• 52:29
  It's just not in her wheelhouse.
• 52:30
  Doug, what about Kathleen?
• 52:32
  Avid listener.
• 52:34
  He's a big consumer podcast in general.
• 52:36
  She's not into cars, but my daughter listens more than my wife.
• 52:39
  Yeah.
• 52:39
  Yeah.
• 52:39
  Oh, that's cool.
• 52:40
  That's actually even cooler, honestly.
• 52:41
  So it's harder to get your kids to think what you're doing.
• 52:44
  How old is she?
• 52:45
  10.
• 52:46
  Perfect.
• 52:46
  Yeah.
• 52:47
  Yeah.
• 52:47
  I joke all the time.
• 52:48
  She's got a crush on Andy Lee from flying lizard.
• 52:51
  Like she's into the racing.
• 52:52
  I took her to Watkins Glen.
• 52:53
  She was all of a sudden, she's like, dad, we got to go to road America.
• 52:56
  I took her to last year.
• 52:58
  She wanted to go to Lamont's with me last year for the hundredth.
• 53:01
  But I was like, honey, it's like a week long.
• 53:03
  You're not going to be able to do it.
• 53:04
  You know, whatever.
• 53:05
  So we took her to petite jokingly saying, well, you're small and
• 53:07
  it's the small Lamont's right.
• 53:09
  But she, she loved it.
• 53:11
  It was a lot of fun.
• 53:12
  And even this year, she's like, dad, what race are we going to?
• 53:14
  She's hoping that flying lizard is going to be there with the
• 53:16
  Lamborghini and all that kind of stuff.
• 53:18
  So, and even at petite, she was all excited thinking the iron dames car was.
• 53:24
  Andy's Lamborghini and it was like, no, no, honey, that's the all girl team.
• 53:27
  And then she's like, Oh my God, she'll sneak down and like Rolex.
• 53:33
  She'll come and watch the race with me and stuff like that.
• 53:35
  That's cool.
• 53:35
  That's amazing.
• 53:36
  Well done.
• 53:37
  Good parenting.
• 53:38
  So I have an 11 year old and she's not into racing yet, but I took
• 53:41
  her to Denver racing sim here.
• 53:43
  Oh, nice.
• 53:43
  They've got this 120, 000 simulator, full motion and all this.
• 53:47
  And I couldn't peel her off the thing.
• 53:49
  There's hope yet.
• 53:50
  Excellent.
• 53:51
  Well done.
• 53:51
  So the other two, we joked, there's a couple of them that are, fortunately
• 53:55
  they've left us, so we'll never be able to interview them, but, you know,
• 53:57
  maybe unless it's archive footage.
• 53:59
  But the other two, at least for me, and it's a little bit of, probably
• 54:03
  more difficult than getting Dempsey, is going to be Jujaro, the designer.
• 54:07
  Oh, yeah.
• 54:08
  And Shkel Mouton, the queen of WRC.
• 54:10
  Right on.
• 54:11
  But for us, we've always approached it just like Mount Everest.
• 54:13
  You can never go straight to the top, you know, even if you have technology
• 54:17
  to help you get there, you know, money, resources, you've gotta go
• 54:20
  from base camp and work your way up.
• 54:22
  Yeah.
• 54:22
  Yeah.
• 54:22
  So it's a little bit of a Kevin Bacon game to make that happen.
• 54:25
  Step over a few dead bodies along the way.
• 54:28
  Right.
• 54:28
  A hundred percent.
• 54:29
  Those are the other podcasts that aren't on the air.
• 54:30
  That's right.
• 54:31
  That's right.
• 54:32
  Which is most of them.
• 54:33
  Right.
• 54:34
  So just the fact that you've done 300 episodes that we've done 177, I mean.
• 54:38
  That's something right there, right?
• 54:39
  Yeah.
• 54:39
  It's a good analogy too.
• 54:40
  Cause I think even people who are very good at mountain climbing and who are well
• 54:43
  funded and well resources, I mean, they sometimes don't make it up at first, but
• 54:47
  you try again, you keep going and it'll be that much sweeter when you get up there.
• 54:50
  So I like that analogy.
• 54:52
  I just finished reading into thin air.
• 54:53
  So I'm all up on a Mount Everest trivia right now.
• 54:56
  And I'm glad we're talking about the mountains because it's now time that
• 54:59
  we drop it into fourth gear and talk about the Rocky Mountain car culture.
• 55:04
  And I'm really fascinated by this because I used to work for a company
• 55:07
  that was based out of Boulder, so I would fly in and out all the time.
• 55:10
  And so like you were saying about the guy in Peoria, Illinois, kind
• 55:13
  of going, you know, I didn't know there was car culture in Denver.
• 55:15
  We're used to the left coast, which is big into car shows and the museum.
• 55:19
  And here I'd like to say on the East Coast, it's very
• 55:24
  much grounded in motorsport.
• 55:25
  We've got more tracks than you can shake a stick at legacy tracks.
• 55:30
  Exactly.
• 55:31
  Built on natural terrain and things like that.
• 55:33
  Just these classic venues, Rhode, Atlanta, Watkins, Glenn, BIR, Lime
• 55:37
  Rock, and so on down the line.
• 55:39
  But when you think about car culture, you don't just go to Denver.
• 55:41
  I mean, for me as a racer, you got High Plains and Pikes Beach.
• 55:44
  Right.
• 55:44
  Right.
• 55:44
  You gotta go to cars.
• 55:46
  You gotta go to cars.
• 55:48
  It's funny because I, one of the reasons I moved to Colorado is for the roads.
• 55:51
  And I think that's the differentiator here.
• 55:53
  You know, back in Chicago, there was a lot of money.
• 55:55
  People had wonderful cars, but we didn't have wonderful roads.
• 55:58
  You would have to take those cars two or three hours away to Southwest Wisconsin.
• 56:02
  They call it the driftless zone where the glaciers didn't scrape and you
• 56:05
  actually had hills and great roads.
• 56:07
  I think that's the difference here.
• 56:08
  People in Colorado and Doug, maybe you can fervently deny this, but
• 56:11
  I think people here are drivers.
• 56:12
  I think that's the difference.
• 56:14
  It's All about the drive.
• 56:15
  We have these wonderful roads.
• 56:17
  We don't have a full season like, you know, people in Southern
• 56:19
  California do, but our roads are as good as anything in the world.
• 56:22
  I truly believe that, you know, we have roads 30 minutes outside
• 56:25
  of town here that are amazing.
• 56:27
  So people here drive, they drive their cars.
• 56:29
  We have a pal Dan McGinnis, very famously has 70 some thousand miles on his.
• 56:35
  2022 Porsche Spyder.
• 56:37
  I think that's what makes it unique.
• 56:39
  And you know, you, you worked out of here.
• 56:40
  There is a quite a bit of money here.
• 56:42
  There is a car scene through Pike's Peak.
• 56:44
  I think that's brought a lot of people here.
• 56:46
  We have a wonderful Porsche dealership in Porsche, Colorado Springs.
• 56:49
  So we get all the good cars here.
• 56:51
  Right.
• 56:51
  We're big enough where we have a Ferrari dealership, you know, I
• 56:54
  mean, we, you can buy the cars.
• 56:56
  I think for a city at size, there's a real outsized car community.
• 57:01
  And to me, I think it comes down to the roads.
• 57:03
  We just have wonderful roads and, and people drive them.
• 57:05
  What's the ratio of Subarus to Porsches these days?
• 57:09
  Is it 10 to one still?
• 57:11
  I was gonna say Jeeps, my kids, we all have a game about, you know, you
• 57:14
  pick one of these car brands and you, whoever hits the most by the time we
• 57:17
  get to the ski mountain wins and yeah, I would say Subaru and and Toyota.
• 57:20
  You just do Toyota Four Runner.
• 57:22
  You don't even have to do the whole brand.
• 57:23
  Just four runner . That's gonna be your big winner there.
• 57:25
  Yeah.
• 57:26
  State car, Colorado, I think.
• 57:27
  Yeah, that's, yeah.
• 57:29
  Is that like the punch buggy game?
• 57:30
  Does somebody get hurt at the end of this or?
• 57:32
  Yeah, they haven't turned it into that yet.
• 57:34
  They will at some point, but, uh, no, right now it's just counting it off,
• 57:37
  but yeah, I mean, I'm not convinced that there's not a, a non TRD pro version
• 57:40
  of the 4Runner, that's all we see out here is, yeah, but a lot of Subarus,
• 57:44
  I've had a few Subarus in my lifetime.
• 57:46
  And in fact, I think I've done a disservice to my girls.
• 57:48
  Cause I did WRX 2014 and then I had a 2004 legacy GT manual station wagon.
• 57:54
  You know, my girls, they assume that Subaru is on the same footing as
• 57:57
  a Porsche or a Lotus or a Ferrari.
• 58:00
  I hate to break it to them that they're, you know, there's such a
• 58:01
  pedestrian company in so many ways.
• 58:03
  That's what they think is the fastest car you should get.
• 58:05
  So Ryan, you talked about the long driving season in the Rocky
• 58:08
  Mountain area and all that.
• 58:10
  So I got to ask, and this comes straight out of your show, how many
• 58:12
  miles you put on the Porsche this year?
• 58:16
  Well, yeah, the GT4 gets about 3000 miles a year.
• 58:20
  But I will say this.
• 58:21
  I'm a busy guy.
• 58:22
  And when I get in that car, I want to make those miles count.
• 58:25
  It's not a car that I'm going to take to the grocery store, right?
• 58:27
  It's a car that I'm going to, you know, put two or 300 miles on in a drive.
• 58:31
  Plus, you know, I'm not a wealthy guy.
• 58:32
  I've got to pay attention to these things, right?
• 58:34
  I do have to pay attention to resale, right?
• 58:37
  Got to make every mile count, right?
• 58:38
  So we're at about, uh, 8, 900 miles and it is a 20, about 3000 miles a year.
• 58:43
  I wish it were more, like I said, every, every one of
• 58:46
  those miles has been memorable.
• 58:47
  It's been rallies.
• 58:48
  It's been wonderful drives with friends on weekends, but that was part of the
• 58:52
  equation when I bought the damn thing.
• 58:53
  Right?
• 58:54
  Like, I mean, it was a stretch admittedly for me to buy a car like that.
• 58:57
  And so I kind of had to go in with a plan and as long as I'm not underwater.
• 59:01
  Right.
• 59:02
  Come out on top, especially in today's used car market though.
• 59:05
  Right.
• 59:06
  So on the motorsport side of things, like I said, sort of jokingly, you
• 59:09
  know, in your area, you have high plains racetrack and then Pikes peak.
• 59:13
  So have either of you done any track time?
• 59:16
  Have you gone to any of the races?
• 59:18
  Or been to Pikes Peak . Yeah, we were there together with Brian.
• 59:20
  Probably has a unique experience with that, uh, actually being there.
• 59:23
  But yeah, that was the day I came down with Covid.
• 59:26
  So I spent most of the day in Doug's truck.
• 59:28
  I went last year and, uh, for practice.
• 59:31
  It was the one day in the history of Pikes Peak that the thing was rained out.
• 59:34
  So I'm hoping third time's the charm.
• 59:36
  Uh, and we'll make it back again this year.
• 59:38
  You know, I've driven a couple of local tracks.
• 59:41
  I'm not a track rat.
• 59:42
  I just, I don't know.
• 59:43
  It's, the roads are so good here.
• 59:45
  I don't have a need for the tracks like I did when I lived in Chicago
• 59:49
  and we do Ginger Man or Autobahn.
• 59:51
  Not that I wouldn't love to.
• 59:52
  Doug's more the motorsport guy between the two of us.
• 59:55
  I'm more the canyon rat, I guess.
• 59:57
  Yeah, and I haven't done, I actually don't think I've literally ever done it.
• 1:00:01
  I've been to more races over my years.
• 1:00:03
  I, in my youth, I was really into IndyCar, Formula One.
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  I've gotten away with it.
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  I've kind of dipped back in and in, in and out at times.
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  Back in Massachusetts, we used to have an IndyCar race up in Loudon,
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  New Hampshire, just right up to the next state up, which is not very far.
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  So I used to go to the IndyCar races.
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  There, and then, uh, I went to the formula one race up in Montreal a number of times
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  when I was in high school and college, uh, with my dad and all his friends.
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  And we, we had a little tradition, a little group, a little reunion every
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  year up there at the circuit there.
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  And I've never done any track days.
• 1:00:30
  I've never done a lot of even carting or anything like that.
• 1:00:33
  So I haven't even made it over to Denver racing simulator yet.
• 1:00:36
  So we got to get that changed.
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  Hey, we've got to give Doug a break because he's got three young girls.
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  Yeah, it's tough.
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  Eats up a lot of the, uh, free time as well as also the disposable income.
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  For sure.
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  So you guys.
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  Are a bit of a traveling road show when it comes to the steering committee,
• 1:00:50
  you're on site in a lot of places, you're meeting up, you're going to
• 1:00:53
  big events and things like that.
• 1:00:54
  And so you get to see a lot of the country you're bouncing around from
• 1:00:57
  the left coast to the right coast.
• 1:00:59
  Compare and contrast car culture, not just left to right, but compared to Denver.
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  What do you like?
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  What don't you like?
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  What have you seen that's different?
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  You're like, man, I wish we had that here.
• 1:01:08
  I mean, I think it all comes back to the mothership, which is California, right?
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  And LA and it's in the air.
• 1:01:13
  I mean, there are.
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  Car themed breweries, and you know, there's the Good Vibes Breakfast
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  Club, and there's the Peterson.
• 1:01:19
  There are any number of wonderful car museums.
• 1:01:22
  I don't think anything can touch California.
• 1:01:24
  We have a lot of followers down in Florida.
• 1:01:26
  There's a great scene down there, right?
• 1:01:28
  I mean, they have great weather, if not great roads.
• 1:01:30
  You know, Denver, like I said, is unique, I think, because
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  we're drivers here, right?
• 1:01:34
  It's not about the cars and coffee so much.
• 1:01:36
  It's not about showing off.
• 1:01:37
  It's just about going out with friends and just driving hard on some wonderful roads.
• 1:01:41
  You know?
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  Shout out to our friend, Danny P, you know, up in Seattle.
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  I know they've got a great car scene.
• 1:01:46
  I have yet to get up there, but I know that they have
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  something wonderful up there.
• 1:01:50
  Avance is, you know, of course up there and everything else.
• 1:01:53
  I don't know what the car scene is out east too much.
• 1:01:55
  And you've got those great legacy tracks.
• 1:01:57
  I grew up going to Road America and Elkhart Lake.
• 1:02:00
  I'll put that up there with any track.
• 1:02:02
  It's a wonderful, a wonderful place.
• 1:02:04
  But I think for me, I mean, nothing really beats California.
• 1:02:07
  There are always multiple things going on.
• 1:02:09
  It's just a wonderful place to be if you're a car person.
• 1:02:11
  I echo that.
• 1:02:12
  I mean, with California specifically and Los Angeles really specifically, and
• 1:02:15
  you see some exotic hardware, but like, honestly, I get in some ways just more
• 1:02:19
  tickled when you see not an exotic car, but just an old one that's been well
• 1:02:22
  preserved, something kind of ordinary that's just still being driven around.
• 1:02:25
  It's in perfect shape, whether it's an old muscle car, you know, or
• 1:02:28
  an old van or something like that, like an old, you know, Volkswagen
• 1:02:31
  van or something like that.
• 1:02:32
  And it's all just perfect because it's cars all seem to be
• 1:02:34
  just well preserved out there.
• 1:02:36
  Sort of a little compare and contrast growing up in New England, you'd see a
• 1:02:39
  fair amount of interesting stuff there.
• 1:02:41
  It's a short driving season.
• 1:02:42
  They're shorter than it is here in Colorado.
• 1:02:45
  It all goes away for a while.
• 1:02:46
  A lot of stuff has gotten rusted out and sort of like lost the
• 1:02:49
  salt of time, if you will.
• 1:02:50
  But one thing about New England is I think like, you know, when it's
• 1:02:53
  the fall and it's still warm out and you have these really tight, small
• 1:02:57
  winding roads, I mean, it's kind of like the perfect sort of setting for
• 1:03:00
  one of these little like underpowered English roadsters that I love.
• 1:03:03
  You know, you kind of see something like that and you can picture driving
• 1:03:05
  around in a little MGA or a triumph or something like that, and you
• 1:03:09
  just would have so much fun with it.
• 1:03:10
  That's kind of what I like.
• 1:03:11
  I like kind of like the old, I guess, sort of a, you know, classic
• 1:03:14
  sense that you get out there.
• 1:03:15
  So what's next for you guys in the show?
• 1:03:19
  What's next, any spoilers or big events you got coming up?
• 1:03:23
  It's a great question and we're headed out to LA here in a few weeks.
• 1:03:26
  We've got some really cool people lined up to talk with.
• 1:03:28
  Don't want to give any spoilers now, but definitely check in.
• 1:03:31
  LA is something obviously we've kind of made that an annual trip.
• 1:03:34
  That's kind of a good recharge for us.
• 1:03:36
  It's kind of like our spring break, if you will, to kind of get out there.
• 1:03:39
  California can really recharge us.
• 1:03:40
  And we've met so many great people and we always have a great time.
• 1:03:43
  Very much looking forward to this year's Colorado Grand.
• 1:03:46
  We got involved over the last couple of years, Doug and I volunteered
• 1:03:49
  last year, we're officially or unofficially the official podcast
• 1:03:52
  of the Colorado Grand now.
• 1:03:54
  So we'll be embedded.
• 1:03:55
  We don't have to drive the luggage truck this year.
• 1:03:56
  We just found this out.
• 1:03:57
  We're very excited.
• 1:03:58
  That was our big volunteer commitment last year was you drove this luggage truck.
• 1:04:02
  The best smelling luggage though, you'll ever, you can imagine
• 1:04:04
  the people that are there.
• 1:04:06
  And then I wrote the, uh, the car descriptions for the route book
• 1:04:09
  for the grand last year, and I'm looking forward to doing that again
• 1:04:12
  this year, but hopefully we just do more podcasting, drive more of the
• 1:04:15
  cars or riding more of the cars.
• 1:04:17
  That's really become, at least for me, the highlight of my year.
• 1:04:19
  So it's something that we'll build up to throughout the year.
• 1:04:22
  Well, guys, we've reached that part of the episode where we like to invite
• 1:04:25
  our guests to tell us about any shout outs, promotions, or anything else
• 1:04:29
  that we haven't covered thus far.
• 1:04:31
  Doug, I'll give shout outs to our sponsors and you can back me up here.
• 1:04:35
  We just had Ryan Evans from Brewsbeers.
• 1:04:37
  Brewsbeers is a wonderful Belgian style brewery here in Denver.
• 1:04:41
  He was our very first sponsor.
• 1:04:43
  He's still with us today.
• 1:04:44
  Rhino Signworks, who mentioned before Willis Wood.
• 1:04:47
  Darryl Vaughn, Realtor, local guy, big enthusiast who's wonderful.
• 1:04:53
  And the rounded out Jackson watches, Jackson, S L O A N E.
• 1:04:58
  com and makers of fine watches that are proudly produced in
• 1:05:01
  the United States of America.
• 1:05:03
  Check them out as well.
• 1:05:04
  And a shout out to, to our friend, Tom Horan, who I mentioned earlier,
• 1:05:06
  who's the chair of the Colorado Grand.
• 1:05:07
  He's done so much for us.
• 1:05:08
  He's become a dear friend and also our friend, Dan Pilling, Danny P on cars.
• 1:05:13
  He's the one that brought us together.
• 1:05:14
  He's sort of the great connector, the glue for so many of us who do what we
• 1:05:17
  do, a gentleman through and through.
• 1:05:19
  So shout out to Danny.
• 1:05:21
  And if you're curious about more Colorado car culture, check out our
• 1:05:23
  friends at First Dibs, a podcast right out of Portia, Colorado Springs.
• 1:05:27
  You'll be blown away with what kind of stuff they get through
• 1:05:29
  that shop on a regular basis.
• 1:05:31
  Join host Ryan and Doug in the garage as they convene the steering committee,
• 1:05:35
  a laid back take on all things cars and driving straight out of Colorado.
• 1:05:40
  Tune into the show everywhere you download, stream, or listen to your
• 1:05:43
  favorite podcasts or follow them on social media at the steering
• 1:05:46
  committee podcasts on Instagram.
• 1:05:48
  Ryan and Doug, I can't thank you guys enough for coming on break fix and
• 1:05:51
  sharing your story, helping us in this East meets West episode here.
• 1:05:55
  And you know, what's great about this is we are all sort of brothers and
• 1:05:59
  arms in the automotive and vehicle and motor sports community together.
• 1:06:03
  I like cars.
• 1:06:03
  You like cars.
• 1:06:04
  We all love cars.
• 1:06:05
  We get along if it's got four wheels and a motor.
• 1:06:07
  Let's do this, right?
• 1:06:09
  So I appreciate what you guys are doing to continue to spread enthusiasm for
• 1:06:13
  car culture because that's important.
• 1:06:15
  You know, as things are changing with the evolution, I'm sure we could have
• 1:06:17
  a whole nother episode on that as well.
• 1:06:20
  I have to applaud you for what you're doing and keep fighting the good fight.
• 1:06:23
  Keep putting those episodes out there.
• 1:06:24
  We look forward to listening to whoever's gonna be on the steering committee next.
• 1:06:28
  Well, thank you guys.
• 1:06:29
  And we can't wait to have you guys on the steering committee.
• 1:06:31
  Appreciate the opportunity.
• 1:06:32
  Thank you guys.
• 1:06:33
  And I think I speak for Ryan on this too.
• 1:06:35
  You guys do incredible stuff and excited to dig into your catalog as well.
• 1:06:39
  So thank you for getting another great podcast for me to listen to.
• 1:06:42
  Yeah.
• 1:06:42
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• 1:06:43
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