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Royce Da 5'9" & Courtney Bell Interview · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Wait that ass up in the morning Breakfast Club Morning.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody is DJ Envy Angela Yee, Charlomagne the guy. We
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  Speaker 1: are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guests joining
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  Speaker 1: us today. Indeed, you got Royce to five nine. Welcome back.
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  Speaker 1: Brother's up? What's up? What's up? Roy It's my brother
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  Speaker 1: Courtney Bell all right, Corney Belle, a long time friend
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  Speaker 1: and partner Keno Keno who are talked to times. Keo
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  Speaker 1: Keno and Royce looking very slim and vegan. Man, what's up?
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  Speaker 1: Nice healthy looking lifestyle on y'all, brothers. I can see ye,
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  Speaker 1: definitely a healthy lifestyle. Not quite vegan yet. Though not
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  Speaker 1: quite vegan yet. I'm not all the way converted, but
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  Speaker 1: I'm getting there. I'm getting what you've been up to.
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  Speaker 1: Royce's everything. I've been adjusting, man, adjusting to the pandemic,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like it's tough. It's a
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  Speaker 1: tough time, you know what I mean. So I've been
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  Speaker 1: trying to keep myself mentally, mentally stable. I'm learning about myself.
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  Speaker 1: I'm learning. Uh. The biggest lesson I learned about myself
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  Speaker 1: is I don't need to be speaking all the time.
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  Speaker 1: I don't always I don't always need to be saying stuff,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying like that, I'm trying to
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  Speaker 1: get my filter together. I'm trying to learn how to
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  Speaker 1: protect my energy, especially on like Instagram, my timeline, What
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  Speaker 1: to look at? What should I just not look at? Correct?
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean. So that's the biggest adjustment
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  Speaker 1: that I've been making. And then music, you know, I'm
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  Speaker 1: always making music, so you know, so right now we
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  Speaker 1: got a project card to having experience where I actually
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  Speaker 1: I took over ownership of a lot of my masters
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  Speaker 1: from back dating back, you know, which is I feel
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  Speaker 1: it's super important now, you know, I feel like the
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  Speaker 1: artists are artists should look at every song like a
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  Speaker 1: straight up asset. You know, we got all of these
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  Speaker 1: companies that for the most part, don't even need to
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  Speaker 1: even know about music anymore. They're just looking at it
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  Speaker 1: like an investment, which it is, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: So now it's the best time to make sure that
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  Speaker 1: you've got ownership and make sure that you can figure
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  Speaker 1: out new things to be able to do with the
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  Speaker 1: masters when you get them. That's a lot of people say,
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  Speaker 1: you know, people want their masters, they want their ownership
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  Speaker 1: but don't know what to do it. They don't know
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  Speaker 1: what to do it when they get them, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean. So what's the purpose of having them
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  Speaker 1: and you don't know what to do it? You don't
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  Speaker 1: know how to monetize them. Well, think about this, Remember
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  Speaker 1: when they used to just be physical, just physical copies.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you sell it, it sales in the store
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  Speaker 1: at one time, and I sit now when you upload
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  Speaker 1: it to the streaming platforms, it may not pay out
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  Speaker 1: in one big ass lump like it may have before,
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  Speaker 1: but it's exists now because it's just present, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So think about it. A lot of
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  Speaker 1: these companies they're buying up all of these masters, they
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  Speaker 1: signing up all these artists, even at the lowest level.
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  Speaker 1: But then you know, it's all catalog and it all
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  Speaker 1: adds up, you know what I mean. So I think
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  Speaker 1: it's key to just make sure that you have as
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  Speaker 1: many things on platforms as possible, and then you know,
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  Speaker 1: other conversations can be opened up. So that's why this
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  Speaker 1: is happening, right, Because I'm looking at you like, you
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  Speaker 1: got fifteen songs, ten of them our best of us basically, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So this is why this trend of artists dropping projects
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  Speaker 1: with catalog, that's why this had become more popular. This
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  Speaker 1: because people getting the mass back. I'm not sure. I
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  Speaker 1: can't speak for anybody else. I know with me, with me,
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  Speaker 1: as soon as I got them, the first thing I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to do because we had to take them down,
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  Speaker 1: get them, and then now we need to put them
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  Speaker 1: back up. They're there, you know what I'm saying. And
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  Speaker 1: then from there, you know, we can have Sky's a
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  Speaker 1: limit on what the conversation could be. It was the
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  Speaker 1: process of getting it back, was it? You know, some
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  Speaker 1: people have to wait a certain amount of time, some
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  Speaker 1: people had to pay people. Was just a conversation. So
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  Speaker 1: what was the process with you getting your masters back?
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  Speaker 1: All of the abovesa. But you know when you when
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  Speaker 1: you have when you signed. You know, from our era
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  Speaker 1: when we did deals, it was standard for the for
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  Speaker 1: the labels to have control of the master for like
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  Speaker 1: seven years or something like that, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: So some of it was just waiting out the seven years,
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  Speaker 1: going back and getting them. And then it's a process too.
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  Speaker 1: After that said, you know, you got to go through
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  Speaker 1: a whole process after that, and then some of it
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  Speaker 1: will say hold at me, buy that back, and then
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  Speaker 1: some of it. You know, it was all three, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean. So I'm constantly on that grind
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  Speaker 1: like I want everything, I want everything that I've ever done,
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  Speaker 1: you know. And then moving forward. Obviously Keeno and I
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  Speaker 1: are way more in the no now. So moving forward,
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  Speaker 1: there's no deal that we don't know how to do.
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  Speaker 1: Do you talk to a lot of the Detroit artis
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  Speaker 1: because it's Detroit, is a new wave of artists coming down. Um,
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  Speaker 1: do you get a chance to speak with the younger
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  Speaker 1: artists and say, hey, this is how you should be
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  Speaker 1: signing your deals? Or is it one of those things
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  Speaker 1: when you're like that we knew what we're doing. Anyway, No,
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  Speaker 1: I speak to him as much as I can. This
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  Speaker 1: is one of them. Let's dud. It's like enlightened beyond
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  Speaker 1: his years. He's not he's non problematic. But um, there's
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  Speaker 1: a few artists, a few young artists in my studio
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  Speaker 1: that I kind of mentor not to the degree of him,
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  Speaker 1: but um, there's a lot of companies I call them
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  Speaker 1: like middleman middleman guys, you know what I mean, Like
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  Speaker 1: they come with a bag of money. Um, they don't
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  Speaker 1: have much to offer, but since they have money upfront,
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  Speaker 1: and they're catching these guys at a time where they
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  Speaker 1: kind of need money or they feel like that they
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  Speaker 1: need money. Um, it's already in the contract. I actually
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  Speaker 1: read somebody's proposal and it said, um, we will have
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  Speaker 1: ownership of a master in perpetuity, and then we'll split
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  Speaker 1: everything sixty forty sixty US forty you and give you
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  Speaker 1: a five thousand dollars advance. And he was thinking about
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  Speaker 1: signing that for five thousand dollars guy, because yeah, because
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  Speaker 1: we don't number one. We programmed to think shortsided correct, definitely,
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  Speaker 1: we have no kind of like idea of how to
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  Speaker 1: place value on that master, so early on we don't
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  Speaker 1: know what it's gonna be worth until it comes out
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  Speaker 1: and then it goes and then it's like, damn, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: now I know a little bit more. Now I want
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  Speaker 1: to go get the master back. Now it's the same
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  Speaker 1: old song and dance publicly from a public platform, you
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  Speaker 1: bashing some company or something like that, which that shit
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  Speaker 1: don't look good either, you know what I mean? But
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  Speaker 1: you get it. I get it. You understand you signed
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  Speaker 1: that deal for five thousand, right, and this is what.
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  Speaker 1: This is what most people. It was something that somebody
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  Speaker 1: think though you make one hit, the label puts out
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  Speaker 1: that run hit. Now you're making Remember, artists don't make
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  Speaker 1: five thousand and ten thousand dollars to show if they
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  Speaker 1: got a hit. They're making forty fifty sixty thousand US
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  Speaker 1: show very rare, a lot of very thin. I think
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  Speaker 1: it's I think it's probably left. In conversation on the
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  Speaker 1: way here, I'm I'm we were looking at the jar
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  Speaker 1: and her interview. We was talking about RV's position, and
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  Speaker 1: I honestly see RV's position on it. I see labels position.
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  Speaker 1: That's probably why we we balanced what we do. If
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  Speaker 1: I'm a label, or if I'm a person and I
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  Speaker 1: give you five grand and it goes nowhere, you don't
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  Speaker 1: know me that five grand back, Yeah right, you know.
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  Speaker 1: But when it goes somewhere, it's an investment. You invest
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  Speaker 1: an Apple, Apple don't get the I'm you and say well,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna take our stocks back because we're making too much.
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  Speaker 1: It's a deal. The problem is we don't always understand
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  Speaker 1: the complexity other deals because we don't come from homes
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  Speaker 1: where that type of business is discussed you can't be mad.
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  Speaker 1: You have to have an attorney. So that means your
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  Speaker 1: attorney looks over that paperwork in most cases. Yeah, but
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  Speaker 1: your attorney is the attorney. That's right. We got I
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  Speaker 1: give you an attorneys just to attorney. You can't have
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  Speaker 1: an attorney. But you know how that conversation came up
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  Speaker 1: in the car. I said, do you think it's possible
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  Speaker 1: for me, a black man, to cultivate a real meaningful
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  Speaker 1: relationship with an artist and on his masters And I
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  Speaker 1: said yeah, he said, for a period, for any period
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  Speaker 1: of time, I think, so there is there any point
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  Speaker 1: where that artist it's gonna get a little bit wiser,
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  Speaker 1: a little bit bigger, and then look look at it
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  Speaker 1: in retrospects, if possible for him or her not to
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  Speaker 1: harbor Yeah, I agree with you negotiate though, like when
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  Speaker 1: that artist catches that hit. It has to be a
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  Speaker 1: point where it said, okay, I made my money back
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  Speaker 1: after investment. Because it's not just five thousand dollars. You
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  Speaker 1: gotta pay for travel. You gotta pay for Warter. That's
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  Speaker 1: the bigger traveling you're paying for. What would your renegotiation be?
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  Speaker 1: It depends how big the record is like a perfect example, right, sorry,
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  Speaker 1: Cardi B. When Cardi B was first signed, they put
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  Speaker 1: a lot into Cardi B. But then she took off.
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  Speaker 1: That should have been to renegotiate right then, and there
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  Speaker 1: you got the one of the biggest female artists. Give
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  Speaker 1: it half the company she Cardi B. That's my opinion
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  Speaker 1: and for everybody. But let me once I recoup my money,
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  Speaker 1: me and her should be equal partners fifty. But then
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  Speaker 1: what happens when you got five Cardi bs on your label? Exactly?
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  Speaker 1: And that's what I was gonna say to about the
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  Speaker 1: masters conversation. It's about the investment you put in them.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I don't want none of
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  Speaker 1: your masters if I didn't make a large investment. But
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  Speaker 1: if I made a large investment, and I can see why,
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  Speaker 1: I gotta get it back, or we could we could
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  Speaker 1: do I think what we all should be doing, which is,
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  Speaker 1: as the older generation, we need to get through to
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  Speaker 1: the youth and let them see it's a different way
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  Speaker 1: to do it, right, because that's this is probably the
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  Speaker 1: biggest disparity between uh, the youth and the ogs that
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  Speaker 1: we've seen, right, We've all come in, we've all had mentors,
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  Speaker 1: that we've seen and and respected and learned a lot from.
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  Speaker 1: This is the first time where the youth is looking
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  Speaker 1: at us like there's there's a disconnect. And we think
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  Speaker 1: the disconnect is because as long as you could separate
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  Speaker 1: the youth from the experience, then it's easier to get
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  Speaker 1: them in these these quick deals and and and take
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  Speaker 1: them for a ride. And we're gonna be held to
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  Speaker 1: a different standard than the labels would be. I mean
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  Speaker 1: like that, Yeah, you here the way niggas talk about
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  Speaker 1: whole buff you know what I'm saying, Like I don't
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  Speaker 1: nobody talk about le or don't nobody talking about none
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  Speaker 1: of these labels, correct, But listen, let whole do something.
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  Speaker 1: That should do something, Let any of any of us
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  Speaker 1: do something. And it's just like, oh man, you wrong,
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  Speaker 1: how could you do that? You know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: But when you're invest in somebody, like let's say him,
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  Speaker 1: you're investing them. You're paying for everything, right because he's
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  Speaker 1: getting the start. So you're paying for studio time. Right
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  Speaker 1: if people don't think studio time is expensive, but you're
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  Speaker 1: paying for studio time, You're paying for them lights to
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  Speaker 1: be on, you're paying for the engineer, you're paying for
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  Speaker 1: the food, the per diem, the water, traveling hotels, wardrobe.
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  Speaker 1: If they don't have it, now he has to make
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  Speaker 1: a record. If that record don't pop, you don't get
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  Speaker 1: none of that money back. And you're doing it on
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  Speaker 1: some family shit. You know, we're gonna spoil each other,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And that creates a sense
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  Speaker 1: of entitlement, you know what I'm saying. So it's just
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  Speaker 1: that's why, that's why I acts in the context of
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  Speaker 1: building cultivating the relationship, because you know, we do everything
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  Speaker 1: on some family shit, you know what I'm so it's
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  Speaker 1: difficult to be able to do that kind of business
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  Speaker 1: and cultivate a relationship. That's why I feel like labels
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  Speaker 1: have existed with the evolution of technology the way they
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  Speaker 1: have so long. It's because they can just keep it
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  Speaker 1: strictly business. Is that? The other problem too, though, that
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  Speaker 1: the black exact, dude do the family thing. We're a family,
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  Speaker 1: We we rocked for life, we bad boy for life.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't that Should it just be more business? That's what
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  Speaker 1: it always feels like, even when like you look at
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  Speaker 1: me sign in the raws or Drake and and you know,
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  Speaker 1: Nikki sign in the Wayne it's a family. It's a
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  Speaker 1: family when we win, Yeah, but then when you start
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  Speaker 1: throwing them bricks out, then it's f that person that
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  Speaker 1: you just called your family. You know, yeah, yeah, I know,
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  Speaker 1: I know. I don't know. I don't have to say
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  Speaker 1: that because we want when we come from now like
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  Speaker 1: we and our and our culture, we come from broken family.
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  Speaker 1: So the ability to make money with our family. It
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  Speaker 1: ain't just music. I mean, it could be the dope
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  Speaker 1: game too, right, it ain't too many differences from the
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  Speaker 1: way we approached the dope game and music. But at
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  Speaker 1: the end of the day, it's it's it's it still
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  Speaker 1: starts with leadership. Bro. I went out there. I went
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  Speaker 1: out there when when Puff was working on the press
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  Speaker 1: Play album, I went out there to work for him,
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  Speaker 1: and this nigga had me in like a midi room
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  Speaker 1: just writing versus over and over and over again while
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  Speaker 1: he was in the bigger, luxurious a room with all
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  Speaker 1: of his celebrity friends and shit. And I was just like, man,
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  Speaker 1: this nicka ain't paid me, you know what I'm saying,
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  Speaker 1: Like this nigga grind me. Man. About ten years later,
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  Speaker 1: after I was a little wiser, I looked at him
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  Speaker 1: in retrospect. Man, I had to hit him on the DM.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't have his numb. I had to hear him
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  Speaker 1: on the DM, man and tell him how much I
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  Speaker 1: appreciate him, how much I took from that, Like it
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  Speaker 1: was because of that process that I started to rewrite
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  Speaker 1: in my own creative process. Like I was like, I
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  Speaker 1: didn't even rewrite my own shit this much. Why don't
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  Speaker 1: I approach my ship? But this same kind of intensity
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  Speaker 1: I pulled that from it. And just the opportunity, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like sometimes man, we take for
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  Speaker 1: granted the opportunity. And I looked at him and thought
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  Speaker 1: about how many great things he's contributed to the culture,
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  Speaker 1: and how how much all of the bad stuff or
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: the quote unquote bad stuff is always placed in front
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  Speaker 1: of the same with Baby. I wish I could call
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  Speaker 1: Baby and tell him how great I think he is,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Because it's like every time
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  Speaker 1: you hear about these guys as well, they're on drugs,
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  Speaker 1: they're doing this, nig kissing, this nigga in the nigga
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  Speaker 1: doing this. But it's like, bro, these nigga's been existence
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  Speaker 1: since nineteen ninety seven. Nineteen ninety seven has not stopped.
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  Speaker 1: If that was anybody else from any other culture of people,
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  Speaker 1: them niggas would be they would be statute, verse, nor appreciate.
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  Speaker 1: Even Dame I was. I seen Dame this weekend and
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  Speaker 1: I was on a panel with him, and the middle
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  Speaker 1: of panel, I had to say thank you and he
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  Speaker 1: was like for what I was like back then when
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  Speaker 1: I was doing mixtapes, even though it was like ninety nine,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, you had an opportunity to do the
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: Rockefeller mixtapes with Clue with S and S with Flex,
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: but you said you wanted a young DJ at the time.
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  Speaker 1: You picked me, and I was like, thank you because
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  Speaker 1: you were cheap. You know. He was shot that I
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  Speaker 1: said thank you, But I was like, you know what,
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: when you grow a little bit, you really understand how
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  Speaker 1: much of a how grateful it was to have that
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  Speaker 1: opportunity because you don't have those opportunities. Yeah, but I
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: will say though ten years ago, you wasn't know new
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  Speaker 1: nigga Royce. No, no, no, no, I say in the
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  Speaker 1: room that you ain't no new ye I was saying
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  Speaker 1: ten years later from when that was, remember the press playout. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but even with that rush, the five not should have
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  Speaker 1: been treating with a little bit more respect, I think. No, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: I was on a private jet with him. We went
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  Speaker 1: to talk. Okay, just when we was up at daddy side.
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  Speaker 1: You remember how long ago, you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: I was, I was he definitely when he reached out
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  Speaker 1: to me, my man Slam shout out to my man
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  Speaker 1: Slam Wiz packs and ship. But he slam reached out
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  Speaker 1: to me. And I was definitely just sitting around Detroit
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  Speaker 1: at that time when he reached out, for sure, and
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna ask, you know, with everything you've been
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  Speaker 1: doing this industry, the ups downs, the group's solo projects,
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  Speaker 1: what makes you want to jump back into this on
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  Speaker 1: the on the executive side. I don't want to jump
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  Speaker 1: in on the executive side like that. I don't right now.
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  Speaker 1: I'm more focused on um mentorship, artist development because I'm
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  Speaker 1: an artist at heart, you know what I mean. And
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  Speaker 1: m Roy's hate the business side. No no, no no, no, no
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  Speaker 1: no no, see because he on it and he's on
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  Speaker 1: the he's on the executive side. He just don't want it.
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  Speaker 1: He don't want to sitting sitting in an interview with
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  Speaker 1: your artists. Been calling me, he's kind of e been
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  Speaker 1: calling me a suit for twenty five years. Man, he
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  Speaker 1: don't want admit it. Listen, I love I love doing business.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to send the wrong I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to send the wrong sitting. I love doing business. I
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  Speaker 1: don't look forward to doing certain kinds of business with
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  Speaker 1: people who I have a relationship with. It's very difficult.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna cancer. It's very newtiful for me to separate
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: business and personal. You know what I mean, somebody I
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: care about, it's gonna be hard for me to like
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: this nigga be like, yeah, okay, so this we're gonna do. We'
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: gonna get him something standard. Baby can't do that, you
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, don't. That's what we defer, you
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, because he's more he's more of
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: the business side. He's always been more focused on the
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: business side, because that's all he's ever been. He's never
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: been on the creative side. But you gotta go through
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: it again. You're gonna have to go through talking to producers, Yeah,
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: talking through artists, talking to DJ's. You're gonna have to
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: go through the gamut again that people that you think
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: his family. Until you got a new project in the
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: life I don't know or you want to beat. And
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: it's like for you, Royce, I do it for free.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: But for him, you know you're gonna have to go
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: through that again. Man, Even when I'm doing albums, there's
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: never been a time where I enjoyed calling people for features.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: I hate that part. He's the worst. That's why. That's
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: why I stopped doing especially especially Yeah, you make sure
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: you did album. Yes, And that's why I stopped. That's
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: why CALLI lapped all of y'all. But he's greater that
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: he doesn't He doesn't mind, he doesn't mind being persistent.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: I'm from a place where if I ask you once
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: and you say yes, I shouldn't have to ask you
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: that that's ego, though it is, that's ego. Your ego
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: get wounded one time. Now you just want to fall back,
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: like no, if you want something, go get it relentless.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: I tell people, I tell these kids, you have to
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: have a DJ Khalid level of annoyance. The megan in
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: this business. I don't even know if I don't even
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: know if I would categorize that shit is annoying. You know,
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: it's relentless. It's like I admire I wish I had that,
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? But I can't. I can't
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: do it because I get inside my own heir real quick,
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, like this nigga, No, he's
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: just nigga. No I'm calling him, but you name this
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: to having experienced. I wanted to correct me from wrong.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: He didn't. Haven't want to name your children. No, Having
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: is the name of my studio, your studio, name of
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: my label? Got you? Yea having studios? So okay, it's
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: like a hub, man, It's like I built like a hub.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: Why you never came to the studio, man, huh, We're
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: coming back out there. I was just in Detroit drop
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: dropping off packs. I'm gonna come about it, okay, Okay, Yeah,
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: So it's it's like a it's like a hub that's
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: kind of like where me and him got kind of
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: tight at you know, I've been new I'm always been
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: a fan of him. But it's a it's a hub
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: for artists to come developed. And when I say developed,
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: I don't mean just come and just make a bunch
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: of music, you know, like obviously the doors are open
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: for them to come and do that as well, but
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: just to come half conversation man about life shit. You know,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: allow me to bestow some of my wisdom on your
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: young process, because every single mistake you can think of
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: that you're gonna make, I made them Tim's ten. That's
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: where I learned all my greatest lessons, you know what
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: I mean? And I feel like it's a part of it.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: It's a part of success and evolution to apply that
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: back to the environment, apply that back to the generation
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: coming behind you. Otherwise you can't consider what you're doing
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: success part of it. What made you decide to work
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: with with Royce? Same thing I've always been a fan
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: of I'm a lyrics is, you know, I feel like
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: coming from Detroit, that's what we bred on. I'm a
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: fan of them. I'm a fan of Sean and even
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: outside of the culture, the big Ales, the rock cams,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: like I studied that growing up, so like I studied
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: his cadences when I first picked up my pen and
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: I respect him as a man first outside of business,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: we have a real relationship with each other, Like we
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: really kick it on an intimate level. So you know,
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: it was divine that it happened more than anything. How
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: do you feel about Detroit's rap game. Now, I feel
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: like Detroite is like run record away from really being
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: the next city that takes the next Are you crazy? Next?
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Memphisis I would say this Detroit street all day long,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: but memphisis street and radio when it comes to it.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: We're getting it away from that going because there's so
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: many Detroite artists. That's we're missing the mentors though. We
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: are missing the executive side because most of the people
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: became executives. You know, Paul Rosenberg, he's here, I came
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: here or you went to La right, So, but who
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Memphis got on the executives? Guy he's signed on the
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: artist he signed, whether it's black, whether it's money back Yo,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: whether it is he's signed an artist. Like, that's the
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: one thing I don't see in Detroit, an artists in tit.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: I think Memphis had that. Detroit might just be getting
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: the dependence of it all because that goes back to
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: three to six. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: and being your own label, having your own studios, put
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: the artists you want to push. You didn't have. We
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: didn't have a lot of people coming back home. You
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? When when when when Mario wine
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: is left. You know, Mario kind of left. You know
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: when I left, I left like a lot of dudes
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: from Memphis three six Carlos, six, tol Brody who who
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: did a lot of puff like they went home, so
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: they was able to get what we're talking about, right,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: But they were able to get I say as an
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: executive side. But you know, Royce says Mentor, and we
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: was just saying, I use the word um artist development
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: when we talk about artists because I think it's gone
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: beyond telling somebody how to write a song, Like artist
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: development for me has been like how do you how
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: do you get a hit record and come on here
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: and not go home and die? How do you say
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: to how do you learn how to have to write conversations?
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: How do you get a million dollars and not go
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: by rims or have everybody else your lawyer account? Everybody
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: take their money, but there's no understanding of how wealth
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: is created. So for us, arts development is and I
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: think what roy says mentor, it's about really just giving
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: them the tools and the resources and the strategies. Because
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: the hit record can come and go. One hit record
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: can set you up for life, or you had ten
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: albums and just teaching them the importance of solidarity. I mean,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: that's what we're always missing Detroit. Obviously it's a little
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: better now than it's been, but this is by far,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: by far, the best place Detroit has been in cultural
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, we got so many
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: artists popping right now, but we are missing with like
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: what you said, we don't have that executive like Gotti
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: come in and signing up everybody, which would help to
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: kind of bring us all a little bit closer. You know,
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: everybody's kind of like just all over the coach. Can't
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: trying to sign every Detroit not the only ones Gazi
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: trying to sign. Everybody's looking at Detroit right now. Last
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: week I went through. I drove to Detroit. I think
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: like seven eight artists. I went to the each each
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: one of their hoods is to see how different it is.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: But just the fact that they get so much love
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: in each one of their hoods and all that music
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: is playing was like, damn, they just I just want
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: to see it go, like go go, and that's like
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: a Landa was like I think we're there though, yeah,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: I think, And that's what I was about to say,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: like just to answer your question, like before the industry
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: came to the city, because I'm a part of that generation,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: the baby Faced Rais and all of them. We are
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: our own celebrity in our neighborhoods and in the city.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: So outside of the culture, like we're we'll get a million,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: two million views alone just in Detroit before it catches
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: and sparks outside of our culture. So like, I feel
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: like that's the biggest thing with us, and you know,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: chiming in on what y'all said, it is pivotal that
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: we have that connection between the ogs and my generation
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: because now being in the age of social media, we're
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: in a space to where it's like with us having
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: that disconnect. Oh, I don't need you because now I
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: have money like you have money. I have the resources
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: like you have it, but we don't have the wisdom
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: and the innerstanding of the business side. And they hustlers,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah for sure, they hustlers too, So they their concern
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: is we coming and get the money. They don't necessarily
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: give about hit records, you know what I'm saying. So
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: I think that's that's why you don't see, you know,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: songs even structured like they're even trying to be on
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: like radio like first day Out. Yeah, just incredible, incredible.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: It was like I'll see where they're coming from, like
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: that vessel and code that records. I wonder if because
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: I think about like Shady Aftermath, right, like, was was
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: that the right machine? But at the time, it just
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: wasn't a plethora of artists like it is now. Because
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: m did what he could right like he had de twelve,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: he had obe him did an amazing job. Put the
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: light on trick. Yeah, even when he was even when
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: he wasn't trying, you know what i mean, Like just
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: what he did opened up so many doors. Back then,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: it was Detroit was broken down like this. You had
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: the street rapper side, which was the street niggas who
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: rapped kind of like what you see now, and then
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: you had hip hop nigga side that was us, the
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: backpackers quote unquote from the hip hop shop. So myself
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: proof everybody on our side got a deal. Every single
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: person from that era on the hip hop side gotta deal.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: It was just our time, you know what I'm saying.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: And I'm gonna take it even further, like the Street Lords,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: cheddar Boys, rock Bottom, all of these crews that were
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: making the street records back then, who were kind of
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: in competition with us. They were making straight up club classic,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: street classic records that still play today. That they were
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: the kind of records that y'all are talking about that
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: the youngest now are missing. The youngest now are kind
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: of like a derivative of these guys. Street Lord wand
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Blade Guy arrested Soul and it just wasn't the game
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: hadn't caught up to what they were doing yet. Now
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: the game has caught up to that. And the doors
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: wide open for the vessels the side of the the babies,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: and they pick that ship through and they came stumping.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: But I wish I wish one of them would make
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: no no no no no no no no. I wish
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: one of them make one of them because if they
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: do that, that's it. It's yeah. Now, I see you
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: have a lot of people come to Heaven Studio. Chris
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Webber was just there. I think Jake Cole was there once.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: I think I saw you pick your cold. So what's
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: going on? Is it records being made? Like? What is it? Yeah,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: it's records being made. Um see. Webb actually came the
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: other day he played some beats. But um, we got
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: some other stuff that we're doing. Um, can I talk
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: about that In the marijuana business, we partnered up and
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: we're doing some stuff canadaj the derogatory term he just got,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: well you know what it is, canceled. No, no, no no.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: But somebody told me who was in the cannabis business
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: that marijuana was. It was a term that white people
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: used to use for a weed coming out of Mexico,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: and so it's actually a bad kind of They look
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: down the term cannabis. Okay, okay, cool, So I see weed,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: we probably okay, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say cannabis.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with my attorney on this. So yeah,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: we were partnering it up on some stuff in the
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: cannabis business. We're doing some NFT stuff together and we're
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: gonna make some music together. And then he has a
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: bunch of dope ideas on stuff that we can do.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: And it was just a long time coming. We met,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: We met like a while back, but we never really
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: got a chance to connect like that. So we spent
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: some time with each other and just seeing how like
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: minded we were, and um, I'm into that right now,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: you know, just being around like minded people, real niggas,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, building relationships and just figuring
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: out ways that we can um use our viability that
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: we bring to the table, put it together and figure
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: out what we can do and just be real creative
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: with what that could be. They got a lot of
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: lies it too, though. First in Detroit, that's wild to me.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: They got to legalize it. You meant, well, you know
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: it's only in Detroit, but it's crazy because you can
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: go five minutes out into the white area and it's legal.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: But this little recreational which makes no sense, which makes
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: no sense. You know, we don't. We don't give Chris Webbing,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Jail and Rolls and Jimmy King and Ray Jackson and
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Juwan Howard the credit they deserve, right because I'm not
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: even I'm not from Detroit, but I look at those brothers.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: They were so unapologetically black at a time when we
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: didn't see that type of unapologetic blackness on TV and
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: bracing hip hop the way that they did. But as
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: a Detroit native, how how how did that impact? Man?
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: It impacted me in a way that me and see
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Webb set and talked about that very thing you just
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: said for five hours. Wow. The niggas they shifted to paradigm. Man,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: they changed the way that players wanted to dress like Yo.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: They first ones with the long baggy shorts, the big
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: baggy jerseys, with the shirt T shirt under it, with
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: the sleeves cut off. It was their idea to go
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: with the haaraces that did not match the uniform. It
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: was their idea for everybody to cut their hair ball.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: They Wow, and they were freshmen, all of them freshmen,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: all of them freshmen starting running shit. You know what
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's just they paved the way for the
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: AI paved it, and I you know, we need more
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: of that, man, We need more people m for lack
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: of a better phrase, obviously, but to kind of like
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: give the system a little bit of pushback, you know
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: what I mean? Like it's just necessary, man, It's not necessary.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: I gotta ask slaw the house of y'all back on
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: good terms. I don't know what month this was, what
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: week it was. I happened to term Instagram and I've
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: seen y'all arguing on Instagram. You would you would you
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: were the middle man, you would have one trying to
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: calm things down, and they were going back and forth
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: and I just turned to I was like, I can't
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: see these bubbs argument anymore. So you're back good. I
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: mean we never we never. I mean I could never
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: say we're bad, you know what I mean? Like they listen, man,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: we've been We've spent ten years together. Man, damn there
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: every day building something special, you know what I mean.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: And it just it just ended in a very unfortunate way.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: But I can't just sum it up like that. Man,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: I can't. I can't, I can't. I'm sorry. Man, it's
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: my doorbell of the studio. I'm sorry. Probably just George
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Dash So so I can't just sum it up like, nah,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: we ain't good, you know what I mean. Now we
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: haven't spoken. You know, two of the guys, Crooking and Joel,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: made some made some decisions that you know, we can't
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: really come back from in terms of business, and that's
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: really it. Decision was they decided to do their own
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: group or do their own thing together. Nah they Um,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: I'm give you the short version. But me and Joe
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: is sitting around minding our own business and we look
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: up and they they release they start rolling out a project.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: The project was called The Rise and Fall of Slaughterhouse.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: They put this project out in the project is announcing
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: to the world that the group is old. And this
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: is why we had already went through a long negotiation
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: with Shady to pull the group off the label so
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: we can do things moving forward, so we can make
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: another album, so we can relaunch merchandise, so we can
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: relaunch everything slaughter House. And for whatever reason, so y'a
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: were gonna do another album, even Joe was gonna do
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: get in the studio and do another album at that time.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Absolutely okay, absolutely, And so the whole album was basically
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: about how Joe Knock gonna wrap Cricket came to the
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: table with a deal idea. We didn't want to do it,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: so day over it. They're done, The group is done.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: And I just felt like that was a hell of
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: a thing to blindside me with as a friend and
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: as a business partner, because number one, if the group
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: is gonna be over, that's fine. Things and things and
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: all the time, let me know that. Send me a text,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: shoot me a text letting me know what you're done,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: or if you're gonna go public and say that you're
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: done with the group, that's cool, but don't just go
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: public and just announced that the group is done, you
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like that's I expected more out
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: of Crooked. I didn't have as much of a problem
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: with Joel because you know, me and Joel always been
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: been cool. But me and Crook, I thought we were
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: better than that, you know what I mean. So it
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: was more of a it's more of a personal more
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: of a personal thing, you know what I mean. But
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: I can't. I can't bring myself to a point where
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: I can get on a public platform and bashing in
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: them though, you know what I mean. I got too
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: much love for him, and I think the amount of
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: love I got for him is what made me so disappointed,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it go back to
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: what I was saying earlier, just about you know, airing
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: out how I feel on public platforms. Bunn told me,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: like when we first, when Slaughterhouse first became a thing,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: he called me. Any time I ever aired out anything
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: publicly if it involved family, I always regretted it, and
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: that always resonated with me, and I've done I've went
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: since that conversation, I went and done that probably fifty times,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: and I regretted it every time. So you know, so
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: that's one of the things that I'm working on. So
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: to answer your question, no, no more slaughter House, but
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: still nothing beloved always I respect everything, as you said,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: And I feel like that should have been an easy
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: conversation for crooking in Joel because Joe don't want to rap.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: So if you don't want to wrap, there's no slaughter house.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: So why shouldn't they be able to go do their
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: own project. Well, it's easy to paint Joe as that
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: because of how many things he said publicly, But when
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: we having conference, when we're having conference calls and he's
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: a part of every call and we having creative conversations
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: about what we're gonna do next, you know what I mean?
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: He was gonna get back and then do it. Joe
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: staying is I'm not I'm retired. I'm doing I'm in
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: the content space. But I'm really into ownership right now.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: I will wrap in slaughter House if we own it,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: but we got to own it. It can't be on
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Shady And if we decide to take it to another label,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: I would be particular on how we would do that
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: deal because we already built this. This is something we
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: built already, and I agree that it shouldn't just sit
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: on Shady. It shouldn't just sit on Shady if Shady
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: doesn't want to release it. And this is respectfully because
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: I love them too. Always, it shouldn't just sit on Shady.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: We built it. It's ours. So when we got it
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: off of Shady, man, I was like, that was like fulfilling.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: It was like it was bitter sweet. It was bitter
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: sweet because it was like, damn, I had a vision
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: for doing this with my good friend, you know what
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, But it didn't work out for obvious reasons.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: So getting it off of there and still now having
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: it back in our possession and having something that we built,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: the first tangible thing that we built in this business organically,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: you know, multimillion dollar brand that we built from the ground.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: When everybody told us, y'all been around the block, y'all
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: can't man, y'all never be able to do festivals, y'all
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: don't have songs, y'all don't have hooks, you know what
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. Like, and we kind of like defied all
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: of those odds, you know what I'm saying. So to
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: get to that point with Joe being way more knowledgeable
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: obviously myself being way more knowledgeable, and then just having
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: it in our possession and for them to just jump
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: the gun like that because of a deal that he
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: put on the table, which he that's never been his
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: role in the group. But I mean anything that anybody
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: put on the table, I would consider it. But I
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: think that we should be allowed to ask questions, right
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: like if if if I put something on the table
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: for us and you ask questions, or even if you
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: say no, does that mean everything is over? Or does
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: that mean we go to another label? We hadn't talked
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: to any other labels yet. We hadn't even talked to
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: a label in that situation. We talked to a guy
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: who was talking to a label. We never had nothing
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: on paper. There never was a proposal in black and
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: white for us to look at. It was just a conversation.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: He didn't like how the conversation went, so he decided,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: fuck them, We're gonna go do this. I feel playing
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: devil's advocate, right, do you feel like the white devil's advocate?
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: We know Joe was doing well with his content, creating
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: everything that he's doing you're obviously doing well. Could it
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: be a situation where maybe Joel and Crooket weren't doing
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: as well because the group was so much financial for them.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, y'all were going on tours, y'all. I don't
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: think y'all ever really got the money that y'all deserved.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Yet you feel like maybe that was their way of saying, look,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: I gotta feed my family at the end of the day.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Possibly possibly, And I mean, listen, that makes it even
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: worse because it's like, Bro, if that's what it was,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: we who are you supposed to have been talking to?
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, who who wouldn't understand?
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Who would understand that more than your brother? Me, the
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: guy who've been up and down, up and down just
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: like anybody else in this business. You know what I'm saying, Like,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: I understand the ups and down. So if it's if
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: this is a downtime and this is like something, because
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: there's been plenty of things that I've done that I've
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: done because one of my rules in the group was
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: I don't like I'm not doing any three man shows.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: In three man all members gotta be there. There's been
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: plenty of times Joe couldn't make it where they were like, yo, listen,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: we need you to come do this because we need
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: the money. And I did it, you know what I mean?
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: So what is that was just a bad deal, like
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Roy's gonna be. It was a bad deal. They possessioned
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: a bad deal and they use a lot of stuff
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: that was happening within the group. Um, it was just
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: a bad deal, right person. There were times when when
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: Joe was ready to wrap and we couldn't get crooked
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: a rap. They don't talk about that shit, you know
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like I couldn't crook rap Crook Cooker
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: always ready to wrap. Crook didn't want to know see
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: see what I'm saying. See See, people got the wrong
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: impression about people. And that's why Joe is easy to
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: paint as a certain thing. He's easy talking. Yeah, look
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: like they look like the blue collar guys, correct, you
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: know the guys who you know willing the road, They
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: sleeves a fuck all that Crook he had his ways
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: about him the whole time. He always had some issue
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: with Joe that he wouldn't address. It was always in
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: the air. I can't quite put my finger on what
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: that was. But this nigga that made Joe disrecords, he
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: didn't did it. All types of shit, you know what
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. People just didn't hear you know what I mean.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: But he did it. He did it, And there was
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: a time where he was like, nah, I ain't rapping,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Nobody fucking went out and
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: put out an album about him not rapping and saying
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: that the group is over with. It's just it's messy.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: And then on the business side, it's like, Yo, you're
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: not You're not sucking up our ship. You're sucking up
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: your ship too, you know what I mean. We're all
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: taking the same altogether. And then you know, like during
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: the whole process, you painted me, You painted me in
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: a certain light. You had to paint me in a
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: certain light in order to be able to do that.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: And I'm just trying to figure out what what did
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: I do to deserve that? Yeah, I mean, there's no
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: record silent because I heard I heard people getting invited
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: to the Frank stand on those those calls, right, I
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: never did. Didn't somebody sayd SMD on one of those calls?
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Oh no, no, Joe, Joe, Joe, one of them. I
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: was like, Joe, Yeah, Joe said that project, that project
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: of SMD. He said that project that probably could suck
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: my did Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, well maybe it was
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: the project. Oh yeah, maybe that's not that's just yeah
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: that when I started seeing it on lies, like you
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: know what, enough, that was just that was just some
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Joe shit to say though, you know what I'm saying,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: like it, But it wasn't like Joel know how Joe talked,
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So that wasn't that wasn't
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: really nothing. That was one of them things where you
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: can take it. You can take it super super offensive
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: and personal if you if you choose to. But Joe
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Joel said a lot of He said a lot of
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: weird stuff too, you know what I mean, Like everybody
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: played their part. I'm I'm holding myself accountable for the
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: for the part that I played to you know what
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: I mean? But I meant, did you play you think?
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're making it hard for me because I
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: don't do much wrong. Charlotte Man, I just I just
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: I just um I think um I did that thing
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: that I was talking about. I went on Joe's show
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: and I was I was frustrated in my reaction to
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: what they did, caused Crook to react to how I reacted,
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And then what he said,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: what he said made me block them, It made me
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: block him on social media and made me block his
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: number because I don't. I love them too much and
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: I don't want nothing else to get said. That's gonna
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: that's gonna turn me up, that's gonna put me up there,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So, and I don't feel
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: like there's anything that should go on in the wrap
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: space that should even bring you to that, you know
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: what I mean. But we all we all gardened something,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like we all gardened. Rather
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: it's our egos. We come from environments where the measuring
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: stick to cool and some souped up tough guys. Shit,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like everybody's like, watch how
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: you talk to me, respect me, But everybody ain't being
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: so respectful, you know. So talk to me about the
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: Loupe Fiasco thing, because I still don't understand what that
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: went left. Ye're doing a podcast together the next thing,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: you know, it's disrecords flaming. I really don't know, Like
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: I've tried to follow it. But I really don't know
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: how that turns into that. And at first I thought
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: it was friendly, just on something like I'm super ly
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Loupe super lyrical. Let's you know. It was friendly. It
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: was friendly, it was friendly. But the same thing happened.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: There was a conversation on live stream on a on
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: a on the platform, public platform for everybody to see,
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: and Loupe um he made an assumption, he assumed because
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: murder much and loaded luks Um. One of those who
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: got one of those guys posed the question who would
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: win in a battle between me and Louke. Now, now
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Urel had already reached out to us and asked us
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: what we battled each other on the platform. We said no,
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: We talked about it. We agreed that that's not even
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: something that we would be interested in. I never even
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: looked at lou as as like a um uhh, that
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: he could be an op up mind, you know what
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: I mean? Like, I don't feel like that he's that
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: he's that kind of rapper. I think he's an amazing rapper, correct,
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: But I don't think he's that kind of rapper. I
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: don't think of guys like him when I think of
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: if I thought, damn, if I was to battle somebody,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: who would it be? You know, I would think about
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: people like sigh, Hi, you know, people who are more
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: aggressive and you know, like attacking MC's kind of style,
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: you know, lyric You know, louis more of like a cerebral,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: top tier amazing lyricists. So m so we said no.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: So when they when load of Lux and Move posed
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: that question, they called Lou and start just hyping him up, saying,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: you know, like I think Lux was like, I think
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: you will win, you know, So whatever they talked about,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Lou assumed that I was the person who initiated that conversation,
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: so he thought that I spoke to him and we
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: agreed that we wouldn't battle, And then I turned around
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: and went and sparked up a conversation trying to bait
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: him back into going on that stage to battle me.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: And he didn't like that. But the way he did
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: it with just it just wasn't cool. Or he dodn't
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: call you and ask you that's what the fuck I'm saying.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: So he can't. So, so me and Young Guru we
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: on live stream and then he's in the comments saying
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: bring him in, so I bring him in. I was
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: meet him young Guru. I think Muke was on there too,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: and we bring him home. This nigga ain't got no
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: shirt on, like he walking around with it. Everything to
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: do with it. Smoke, you want to smoke because it's
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: like my nigga, I came up with a dad who
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: used to cust me out not wearing no shirt all
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: the time. You know. So he like he like I
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: seen it immediately. He was turned up already as soon
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: as he brought him on. Yeah, nigga, you're gonna keep
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: bringing this ship up and making food lot of yourself.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Get yourself embarrassed, nigga. And it was just like I said, Lou,
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: put your shirt back. Put your shirt back on, I said,
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: and calm down now now we're doing a podcast together.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: There were two other times that he kind of turned
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: up on me and he get passionate and he just
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: start kind of raising his voice, and you know, Luke,
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: building a relationship with him was kind of like a
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: case study man for me. It's like the challenge to
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: me is building a relationship with somebody, coexisting with somebody
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: who you know, you may have conflicting ideologies with um
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: it's somebody who you may not necessarily have a relationship
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: with if it weren't for the music space, which I
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: think is I'm intrigued by that, right because I think
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: he's such an incredible lyricism. I think he's so different
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: from me. But I think that through through music we
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: can we can we can find we can find the
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: neutral things that we agree on, and we can also
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: learn to agree to disagree on the things we don't
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: agree on without having to try to change how each
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: other feels. And you know, like, to me, that's the
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: ultimate way of building solidarity because I think black people
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: with us, black people in general, we feel like, shit,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: we got to be a monolith. We don't, you know
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: what I mean? Like we all pretty much have the
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: same goal. Did everybody's agenda starts to change a little bit,
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: and everybody's pathway to get into that end goal it's different,
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: but everybody thinks that their pathway is so superior to
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: somebody else's. So and I think music is the only
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: thing that can kind of neutralize that. So um, And
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: I like Lou, I still do. I like him as
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: a person. I think you're real cool. I disagree with
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: a lot of shit did he has to say? But so, um,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: he started yelling. He yelled a couple of times at
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: me on the podcast, and I just told him, it's
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: not a problem. It's okay for you to like cross
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: my boundary if you don't know my boundary, as long
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: as when I let you know about it, you know
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: you can make that correction moving on and we find
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: So it never was like an argument or nothing, but
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: it was just like, Yo, the yelling is the only
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: thing that I'm not I can't really do. I don't
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: do the yelling. I don't yell at nobody in my life,
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: and nobody yells at me, you know what I mean.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: So that's just not something I'm willing to, you know,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: deal with. Some people are different. Some people are cool
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: with that. Some people don't like when you lie. Some
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: people don't like, Yo, don't yell at me, you know
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So this was the third time he
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: did that. So when he came onto the thing, he yelling,
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: and I'm telling him, Luke, calm down, and I already knew.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: I was like, Yo, you think I think you think
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: that I initiated this conversation. I ain't had nothing to
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: do with this conversation. This is something that they just
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: did on they came up with on their own. And
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: I was like, calm down before you say some stupid shit,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: and he was, you know, when somebody already turned up,
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: it's hard for them to calm down. So he kept
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: yelling and yelling and yelling and yelling, and then I
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: called him a bit, and that was that was the
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: thing that I did that I gotta hold myself accountable.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: Do I regret it? I don't know if I don't
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: know if regret it's the right word, but I don't.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: I'm not happy about saying that because I don't think
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: he's a bit, you know what I mean. I don't
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: think we should speak to each other that way, you know.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: But I do understand why I said. I understand why
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: I said it because it was just a reaction. It
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: was a point that I got pushed you, and I
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: feel like I gave a lot of warning points. I
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: gave a lot of a lot of lead into it.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: And that's me knowing myself. If it gets to a
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: point where I start getting upset, I'm gonna just react
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna go outside of my body. I'm
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: gonna go I'm a vibrate lower, I'm gonna start doing
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: shit that's not really reflective of the way I want
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: to eve off and I don't. I don't, I don't.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: I don't feel good about it. I don't feel good
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: about it, but I don't. I don't. I think I
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: would regret it if um, if he hit apologize, then
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: I definitely would apologize and then it would go down
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: as a regret. But as of right now, you know,
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: like the way that everything kind of got summed up,
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: it it is what it is, but I don't feel
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: good about it, no damn. And it turned into records
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: were all actually going at it, the record with the record.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: When I did mind, it was still it was still
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: in the friendly competition category. But after I did mine,
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: that's when he unfollowed me. That's when he stopped the podcast.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: So to me, that's an official fallout. So so to me,
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: that's no longer a battle, that's just a fallout. And
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: now I regret the song. That's why I never responded
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: to what he did. Who you think was the battle?
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: Just musically? Anybody can't he can have it, he can
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: have it. I don't. I don't. You know it wasn't.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: I'm not. First of all, I don't think anybody. I
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: don't think anybody cares about um. It never was about
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: who rap, who can rap better, who can win in
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: the battle. It never really was about that man. It
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: was just we sparked up conversation to have friendly conversation
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: with a whole lot of different guys that speak to
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: a whole lot of different audiences all together, so people
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: can follow one clear, precise narrative, you know what I mean. Like,
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: there was a point in my career where it was
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: important to me to be the best lyricist. I've grown
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: from that, you know what I mean. So I mean
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: I think, I think, especially when you're talking about somebody
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: like Lou who's so much different from how I am,
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: it's just gonna come down to preference, you know what
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: I mean. I don't think what he what he did,
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: it's him at his best, in my opinion, not from
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: me as a fan, it's him at his best. It
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: was it was just sound like a bunch of angry shit,
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: a bunch of angry, scathing shit that he said because
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: he was mad. I heard that about both yal though
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: I heard that about both the projects that both of
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: the songs that No, it wasn't no venom in mind. No,
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: I'm not talking about the people. Just was like, oh,
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: this isn't either one of their best. But I think
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: it's because of the expectation, because y'all are super lyricists, right,
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: So you think in Loupay and Roy's at each other,
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: you're about to hear some shit you ain't never heard before. No,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: it wasn't that kind of It wasn't that kind of um,
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: that kind of atmosphere. You know, It wasn't it wasn't
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: planned for us to, you know, just go at each
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: other like that. Everything just kind of happened spurred the
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: moment I blamed the pandemic too, and the way to
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Mickey Facts come in Mickey Facts just kind of he
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: just kind of inserted himself. He just kind of inserted
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: himself into it. And I think he just looked at
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: it as an opportunity, opportunity to get in the mix
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: because he was one of the he was one of
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: the people that was that was involved in the combo
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: that we were having, you know, but he was boosting
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: it up like who would win between you and he
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: was He was one of the people kind of talking
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: about it. Um. But after the Me and Luke thing happened,
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: I think he looked at it as an opportunity to
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: jump in there, because he jumped on the live stream
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: with me, and he didn't he didn't like the fact that, um,
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: he was trying to get me to call him a
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: top tier lyricist and I was just telling him I don't.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: I don't view him as that, but I do think
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: he's dope. And he thought, since we were in front
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: of the audience, that I was trying to play him.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: And then Joe came in and Joe Joe was kind
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: of talking at him, you know what I'm saying, So
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: he turned around and he did it, did his disc
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: record and shit, And I think it was him and
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: Lou were kind of like in cahoots with it, because
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: Lou was kind of like, all right, now you do that.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: That mean now I don't have to I don't have
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: to respond back and say nothing, you know what I mean,
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: I don't have to keep going back and forth. Because
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: I think I think part of part of Lou felt
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: like that I had planned this ship the whole time,
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, So he thought that I
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: was gonna keep going. So that was one of the
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: reasons why I made sure that I didn't respond, because
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: I didn't want it to even seem like that I
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: had even planned that, you know what I'm saying, Like,
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to. I don't want I
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: don't want to put Lou in a position to where
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: he viewed a certain way, you know what I mean.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: Like that ain't what I'm here to do, you know
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: what I mean? So I just I just got it.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: I kind of had to let it go. The Mickey
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: facts thing. People were like, Yo, you gotta respond to respond,
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: And that's exactly why I didn't respond. I don't tell
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: me I gotta respond. Shit, you know what I'm saying.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: That's another thing, man. The fans or the followers or
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: whatever you want to call them, they think they think
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: we work for them, you know. They think we like
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: you know, steph and fetch it and shit, like we
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: just wrap. We just rapp when they say we should
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: because they want to be entertained. And yo, that's cool too.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: We can rap competitively to entertain if that's what we
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: agree to do, as long as we keep it respectful.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: But if it turns into a fallout and it turns
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: into real personal feelings. I'm not interested in that, man,
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: I had enough of that in my career. Hip hop
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: is exhausting. Yeah, and the male ego is so fragile,
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: Like all of this stuff sound like it's this one
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: phone conversation. You could like that so much it is? Yeah,
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: I agree. Where where will we learn that communication from therapy?
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: Name or rap? Name a rapper and therapy? Yeah, there
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: ain't too many. It's more now, you know, it's so funny.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: It's more the younger generation that's embracing it, then the
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: older few people who probably really need to process some
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: of that unhealed Trump. You know what, Loue Page, he's
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: just too He's so smart. He's so smart. He's too
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: smart for his own good. I think I don't think
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: he needs therapy. He needs therapy, definitely needs therapy. But
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, dog out, I got mad, I
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: got mad. Love for lout. But let's let's get back
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: to it. They haven't experienced it's out this week. You
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: want to play what the time? Do you want to
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: play what at the time? Yeah, let's play what at
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: the time. Well, we appreciate you brothers. For joining us,
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: Thank you for it's the Breakfast Club. Good morning,