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A League Of Their Own · A Really Good Podcast with Greg & Liz

• 0:03
  SPEAKER_02: Are you crying?
• 0:05
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_02: Are you crying?
• 0:07
  SPEAKER_02: Are you crying?
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_02: There's no crying.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_02: There's no crying in baseball.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_00: Hello, hello, and welcome to another episode of a really good podcast with Greg and Liz.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_00: And today's episode is going to be, in my words, aggressive because it's seven o'clock in the morning and Greg just told me that he deleted all his notes.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_01: So like when it's early in the morning, I don't even know.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_00: You lost your notes.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_00: You had to take your sweater off because you were so hot.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_01: Hopefully they'll come to my to my head.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_00: You know what?
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_00: Hopefully it will come into your head.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_00: You know what the funny part is is that I actually got on here and I I'm outside and I'm like, it's lovely out.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_00: What a what a morning.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_00: And then you come in here like a Tasmanian devil.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, my kid was sleeping on this couch in the basement.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, get out of here.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_00: So I think it's gonna be great because I think that you probably it'll all come back to you as we're talking about it.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_00: We are talking about a league of their own.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_00: One of the best movies.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_00: This is probably the movie that I would say we've equally been excited about.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know what's funny?
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to say this like this movie makes me nostalgic.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_00: It makes me smile.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_01: But like in a weird way, it makes me nostalgic for something that never happened to me.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I almost remember prancing around in my peach outfit.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_01: Going through a hard time during the war, a husband away.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_01: But like that, doesn't it sort of like it?
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_01: Somehow it does this like crazy, amazing thing where it's like you feel like you're part of the team, and like I don't know.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_01: I I'm nostalgic for those when when Dottie goes back and she's like somehow the hottest old lady in 1992.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um I can't wait to talk about that.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_01: Old ladies didn't look like that back then.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_00: Well, she no, she did.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_01: She had the hair.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_01: That's true.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like the she had like the with the game.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_00: She's probably like the same age as J-Lo.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's a good point.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_00: You know?
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_01: But that was a hot old lady in 1992.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_00: I'm pretty sure Sandra Bullock's like 60 too.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_01: Like I it just felt like, you know, I had experienced it with her.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_01: And she's a real firecracker from the very opening scenes, isn't she?
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_00: Who, Dottie?
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, you mean like the old lady?
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like the opening scene was kind of like, okay, I don't need to see that.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_00: Why wouldn't you be excited to go?
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_00: Are you kidding me?
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I know.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's the opening of the women's division of the baseball hall of fame.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_00: And you were a part of it on the first one, which I also have a lot of feelings about like her leaving.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_00: And I we're gonna get into it because that stressed me out.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_00: I have two gripes with this movie in terms of like things that I everything else outside of everything else, it being an essentially perfect movie, and that's both Gina Davis and Hooch leaving before the season ended.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and and the other thing is like that being said, the idea being that her leaving before the season ended is somehow the right thing to do.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_01: And it didn't feel like the right thing to do.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_00: Which I guess maybe at that time it would have been, and we'll get into it more later as we talk discuss the movie.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_00: But all right, cut the shit.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_00: But like Hooch hurt my leg.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_00: Marla, Martha, Hooch?
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_00: No, Marla, you've trained your entire life for this.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_00: Where are you going?
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_00: Like that guy wasn't gonna wait for you for a month and a half to finish the season, the best hitter on the team.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_01: I know she was the fucking Manny Ramirez of the Barack.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, anyways, should we talk about so I have the history of the actual women's baseball league?
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's interesting.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it is interesting.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_00: You want to talk about that first?
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_00: The movie was based on the All-American Girls Professional Baseball League or the A G P B L.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_00: Doesn't quite doesn't quite roll off the tongue, but like every time they talk about it, it's always girls.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what why is that?
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, instead of women?
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_00: They're like 30 years old.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_00: And you know they could play.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_00: Well, they said one of the things when they were making the movie, or are you talking about the real women?
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_01: I was talking about the women in the movie.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_00: The well, the real women could definitely play a lot of the women in the beginning scene when she first goes and they're playing the game, are the actual baseball players.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_00: And when they made the movie though, one of the things that they said was they had to be able to play baseball.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_01: They'd probably all be dead if they made it now.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_01: Not playing baseball.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_00: No, definitely not.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, because it was 30 years ago, 33 years ago.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_00: So it was founded by Philip K.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_00: Wrigley of The Gum.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's funny, I was like, Oh, yeah, that Wrigley, the gum, obviously.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_00: And then I realized like Wrigley Field.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_01: I also thought, like, when it was Harvey in the movie, I was like, Oh, this must be Mr.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_01: Hershey.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, it wasn't.
• 5:01
  unknown: Okay.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_01: Take a look at that.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_00: It was Wrigley, which is, you know, chocolate, same thing.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_00: It existed from 1943 to 1954, and over 600 women played in the league, which consisted of 10 teams located in the Midwest.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_00: So it started because we obviously we went into World War II, and all these professional athletes like left to go to the war, which is crazy.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_00: Can you imagine that?
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_00: Like, never in a mill would that happen now.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_00: Can you imagine these like athletes with their fucking jewelry and shit, their like fucking suits?
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_00: Travis, um picturing Travis Kelsey in his like sparkly outfit he wore to like the Super Bowl.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_00: Although, like, I could see like Jason Kelsey enlisting, you know, there would be some.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_01: The the culture was completely different.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was almost it would be almost be embarrassing if he didn't.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know?
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I heard this recently, like that people who couldn't go.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_01: This so think about how opposite this would be.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_01: People who, you know, went to the doctor or went to the recruiter and were told, hey, look, you can't see out of your uh your left eye, or whatever.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like whatever is like you can't serve.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_01: They were committing suicide if they couldn't serve.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's probably the opposite now.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, or at least like fly into Canada, you know.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_00: I was picturing that, and then I was picturing like Timothy Chalamet.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, sitting in a bar.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_00: No way.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_01: Timothy Chameley.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_00: Chalamet.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_00: I can't get it.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_00: You can't get it.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_00: And I think I like it better that way.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_00: So they feared that the baseball league would cease because the men were all gone, and there was restrictions on team travel due to gas rationing, which could be today.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_00: That's one thing that could be today.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_01: The more things change, the more they stay the same.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_00: We're at almost five dollars a gallon.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_00: Are you kidding me?
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_00: The trials were held at Wrigley Fields for women's.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_00: So they did go and scout from amateur softball leagues all across the country.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_00: 200 people made it in the first season.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_00: It was segregated.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_00: So obviously, and I did I really like that scene in the movie when the black woman came and threw the baseball and she like hurt the other woman's hand.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like, think about just in general, like you're cutting out so much of the population, how much talent, like it's so crazy to think about caring that much.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_01: What's funny is like that's a scene in so many movies where like someone throws it really hard and and another person catches it and they're like, ah, yeah.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_01: And that happens twice in this movie.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_00: Does it?
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, when she wait.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_00: But she doesn't even flinch, so not really.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_01: Dottie one hand, what an athlete.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_01: She really had something.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she was well.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know that Gina Davis was like a she went to the Olympics for archery?
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yeah.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_01: I I I did know that, and I don't think that translates.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_00: No, but I mean, like, I mean, you have to be athletic.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_00: It's like you have to be strong to be an archer, I would assume.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what about fucking Hunger Games?
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't see her throwing any big.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_00: Patna Saverdine was an elite athlete.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_01: How dare you?
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_01: You're right.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_01: I stand corrected.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_00: She survived not one but like three or four hunger games.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_01: That's true.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_01: And Robin Hood probably captain of the Sherwood Forest baseball team.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_00: But I mean, to be an Olympic athlete in any sense, you have to be an athlete.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like I'm gonna pause that again.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_01: Curling?
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I don't I think it's a mindset thing too.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_00: Like, how much of being athletic is your mindset?
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_00: At least a good portion of it.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_00: Some.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_00: Because you have to have the dedicated.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_00: Well, regardless, this has nothing to do with Gina Davis.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_00: She's obviously an athlete.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_01: She's got that, she's got an athletic.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_01: Look at the mod.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_01: She does, she's elongated.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_00: Well, she's tall.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_00: You're tall.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_00: You can do a lot more.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody's ever calling me for anything.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_00: No, definitely not.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_00: I'm five foot four.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_00: Anyways, there was another league based out of Chicago called the National Girls Baseball League, and it was actually a rival.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_00: They were like poach talent from each other and stuff until they actually put a poaching truce together in 1946.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_00: It's weird to think about vying professional sports leagues because now there's only one.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_01: Do you think that this took a huge dip?
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, obviously, right?
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_01: Like right after the war, it must have took a huge dip in players.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_01: Or is that not true?
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_01: What do you mean?
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_01: When they all came back, you know.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_00: No, they they closed the leagues down.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_01: And that was it?
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_00: They said one of the things was that it started to get kind of shitty.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_00: I think like they didn't put as much money into it, like people weren't coming as much, the ticket sales were waning because the men were back, and obviously they're gonna focus on that.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_00: So some of the women like voluntarily chose to go back and play softball.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_00: Because it was just easier, better, you know, they could focus.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, how about that?
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_00: Salaries were forty-five to eighty five dollars a week, which is eight hundred to fifteen hundred a week today.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_00: That's not bad.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_00: That's not bad.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_00: Some got 125 a week, which is for that time would have been crazy, especially like with your husband at war.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_00: The uniforms from the movie were spot on.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_00: There was a skirt, the skirt couldn't be six inches above the knee, but then they messed with that to facilitate running and fielding.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_00: Because like at that point, it's like awkward when you have like a longer skirt, which it's crazy though.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_00: Like, Dylan isn't even allowed to wear shorts to softball.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_00: Like, she plays on a travel softball team, and like she can't even wear shorts because like they won't let her, you know, because you have to like slide and stuff.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_00: These women were in here in fucking mini skirts.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_01: Which is kind of awesome.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I'm sorry, but it's kind of don't be gross.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_01: No, it just must have been something, yeah.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_00: Like when Dottie's like, Oh, I have to squat in that thing.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_00: During spring training, the girls were required to attend charm school and given a beauty kit to make them as attractive as possible.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_00: The rules were no short hair, no smoking or drinking in public, no pants.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_00: You must wear lipstick at all times, and you get a five dollar fine for the first events, ten dollars for the second events, and you get suspended for the third.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_00: Well, well, no pants.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_00: You're playing fucking professional baseball, you're not allowed to wear pants.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like, get the fuck out of here.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_01: But I'm so surprised to hear though that they were like literally they're probably getting paid more than their husbands at war.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like definitely getting paid more than their husbands at war.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_00: Well, there's a lot more money to pay celebrities, and especially if you're like making a splash and selling magazines and shit, you know?
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_00: It's just wild.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_00: It's kind of like, have you ever seen the beach volleyball thing?
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_00: I think it is, where like the women have to wear tiny bathing suits and the men have these like big honkin shorts.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_01: I mean big honkin, what?
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_01: Shorts.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_01: Do men have big big honkin' shorts?
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_00: I think so.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_00: In beach volleyball?
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_01: I think the smallest shorts you've ever seen in your life.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_00: Men beach well, there was some sport where like the men could wear full outfits.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_01: Making it seem like you are they're wearing those shorts that were in the 90s where like yeah, they're wearing a tank top between the sock and the yeah, look look at this.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_01: Those are big hogin shorts.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean, that's a whole outfit compared to a bikini.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_00: No, I mean it is bigger.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_00: They're a little spanned.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_00: Look at this guy.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, fully, fully close.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, never mind.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_01: Leggings on almost underneath.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I know.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_00: So that's something.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_00: Anyways, it peaked in attendance in the 1948 season when they attracted almost a million fans, 910,000 paid fans.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_00: Once World War II ended, the priority was on men's sports, and revenues in attendance began to fall, making it less alluring for the players.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_00: They wanted the glory.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so yeah, obviously you can see there's some lobbying done there, but they but 48 peak season, that means that it was successful after the war too.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_00: When did the war end?
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_00: 45.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_00: By 1954, only five teams remained, and they decided to shut down the end of the season.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_00: Many women lost touch with each other until a former pitcher launched a newsletter to get in touch with everyone, which resulted in the reunion in 1982.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_00: And in 1988, the baseball hall of fame launched a permanent exhibit, Women in Baseball, which was recreated in the final scene of the movie.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_01: Was it Kit?
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_01: Was she the pitcher?
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_00: No, Kit wasn't a real person.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_00: Craig looks so sad.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_01: Dottie, so Dottie wasn't either?
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_01: No, they were based on people, but they weren't real people.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_01: I wouldn't believe that there was like an awesome badass lady.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, yeah, there there was.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_00: There was a woman who was like the diamond of the league or whatever.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_00: All right, so let's talk about the movie.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna talk about the making of it first, and then we can talk about the actual movie.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_00: Inspired by the 1987 TV documentary, A League of Their Own, Penny Marshall decided to make a movie about the subject.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_00: Fox passed on the script, and Marshall eventually signed with Sony Pictures.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_00: What a mistake.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_00: Fox 2, which is like pr I'm pretty sure that's like the baseball channel, isn't it?
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_00: That's not my area.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_01: You don't watch baseball.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_01: Not really.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, it's it's funny when when talking about just as an aside, like when talking about this movie, baseball was so important.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: Even when we were kids, when the war happened, they were like, we have to somehow keep this going because it's literally like the backbone of America.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I don't think they had many other sports at that point, right?
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_01: Football?
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_01: Football and basketball were both very much invented and being played, but they were But not like at this level, right?
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_01: Baseball, but baseball was America's pastime, right?
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like one of the first baseball games ever played was at Rocky Point right here in Rhode Island.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_00: Really?
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_01: Babe Ruth played in Rhode Island.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_00: Didn't they have the longest game ever at McCoy?
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_01: That's where you you get the it was on the cup.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_00: Well, my I remember my dad had the what is it, the score sheet.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_00: Like it was like a piece of art at my house.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, I I actually met a guy who wrote a book about it.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_00: So casting.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_00: Penny wanted Demi Moore for the role of Dottie, but by the time the movie was ready, she was pregnant.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_00: They then cast Deborah Winger, who spent three months training with the Chicago Cubs, but then dropped out.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_00: She dropped out because she was pissed that Madonna got cast.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_00: And let me tell you, Deborah Winger has some beef with a lot of people.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_01: And Deborah Winger, I feel like her name doesn't carry it without the clout to be beef.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, probably because she's fighting with everybody.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna read off a few of the beefs that she has.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_00: So she was in terms of endearment.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_00: Have you ever seen that with Shirley McLean?
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_00: Shirley McLean claims that Deborah farted in her face during the shooting of Terms of Endearment.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_00: That's unexpected.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm I'm believing Shirley McLean.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_01: Because you want to know what?
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's embarrassing to have your face farted in.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_00: Shirley McLean, like, why would she make that up?
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure she has plenty of other interesting stories.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_00: I'll tell you something else.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_00: She wouldn't forget it.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_00: No, she certainly wouldn't.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_00: She called Richard Gere a brick wall when they filmed an officer and a gentleman together.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_01: That cannot be true.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_01: Richard Gere is one of the most stunning men.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_00: I guess when he ran into her, like after, he'd always be like, Oh, are you still talking shit about me?
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_00: So he he seemed okay with it.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_00: And then in the Me Too movement, she was like, when that happened, she was talking about it and she was like, I don't know, like I probably get her eyes, but like it was up to me to like not let that happen.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like, Deborah, that's not how this works.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_00: But it didn't happen, she just fart in their face.
• 16:08
  unknown: Yeah.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_00: She thought that the casting of Madonna was gonna turn it into an Elvis movie, is the exact quote.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_00: Meaning, like, I guess Elvis used to make a lot of movies where it was like, let's just put Elvis in a movie.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and like have him sing sometimes.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and like that's it doesn't need to be good.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_00: So that's what she was like afraid was gonna happen.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_00: And she also feels that the final product didn't honor the women in baseball.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_00: She thought Gina Davis was okay in the role.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_00: Like, okay, Deborah.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_01: Take it easy.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_00: Dial it back a little bit.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_00: So after she dropped out, they got Gina Davis.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, I could spend 45 minutes talking about Gina Davis.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_00: What happened?
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_00: She is so unbelievably beautiful.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_00: She looks like a doll.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, she did some great stuff.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_01: Like, if you look at her stuff that like Beetlejuice.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but like what happened?
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_01: The fly.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_00: You know what though?
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_00: So she was she said when she got into her 40s, the roles just dried up.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I was thinking that she just was of the wrong time.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_00: Because now, like, there's so many vehicles for older women in Hollywood.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_00: They're greenlighting a lot more stuff.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_00: In the 90s, that's just not how it was.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_00: They didn't have these meaty HBO roles.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_01: No, yeah.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_01: She she would be crushing right now.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_00: She's still in.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_00: I think she was on Grey's Anatomy.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_00: I'm pretty sure.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_01: I it does feel like she should have been like the power female lead in Hollywood 90s.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_01: But in a lot of ways, though, in the late 80s, in early mid eighties to early 90s, she kind of was.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_01: She was.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_01: She she had, I mean, Thelman Louise.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_01: I I see when you look at her movies, they're all solid.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_01: I'm trying to think of like, all right, so Thelman Louise Beetlejuice, The Fly was somehow good.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_01: Was somehow good.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, Goldblum, you get Goldblum.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_00: Let's see.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_00: Let's see what else is on her discog.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_00: Great stuff.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_00: She picked them right.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_00: And Thelman Louise is huge.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_00: She made some good choices.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, she was married to Jeff Goldblum.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_00: Well, and that's why it was so good.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_00: The chemistry was right there.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_00: Earth Girls Are Easy.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_00: Remember that one?
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_01: No bad.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_00: I never watched it.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's bad.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, she was in Hero.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_00: That was a Hoffman, Dustin Hoffman.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_00: Wasn't he homeless?
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_00: Or was that Al Pacino?
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_00: He was like homeless and oh, he was homeless and then he like witnessed something and he was like a hero, but he wasn't the one that actually did it.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_00: Do you remember this?
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_01: Really not.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_00: The long kiss good night.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_00: I read something that said that the long kiss good night was supposed to be her like Angelina Jolie moment, and it wasn't very good.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_00: Meaning and then it was supposed to turn her into kind of an action star, like Lara.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_00: What was that?
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_00: Lara Croft did for Angelina Jolie.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_00: Didn't work out that way.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_00: And then a string of Stuart Littles.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_00: A turkey of Stuart Little's Stuart Little One, Stuart Little Two, and then Stuart Little Three, Quall of the Wilds.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_01: I I think that might have been the problem.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's a tough one.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, and then she starred in Commander in Chief from 2005.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, one season of Commander in Chief.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_00: She played the president.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, and she was on Doc McSuffins.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_00: All right, I got it.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_00: I got it.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_00: I'm done.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_00: Doc McSuffin', I mean, that's a great show.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_00: It is.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_00: I'm excited to get back into all that now that I have a baby going to be a toddler.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_00: Next up, the casting took forever because they wanted to get people who actually played baseball.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_00: Lori Petty auditioned eight times.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_01: She really wanted it.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_00: I'm really excited to talk about Kit, but I'm not ready to do that just yet.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_00: But how much I hate her.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_00: But like Lori Petty did a good job.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_00: They wanted Jim Belushi for the Tom Hanks role, which I could see it.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_00: I honestly could have seen John Lovitz in the Tom Hanks role, too.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_00: But Tom Hanks, it's interesting because I mean, obviously Tom Hanks is amazing in this.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_00: You cannot deny just oozing charm in a weird way.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_00: But you almost feel like he's a little bit too young for this point in his life.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_01: Well, uh again, a different time.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I looked it up.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_00: The average age of a baseball player, especially at that time, would have been like to retire, would have been like your late 20s.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_00: So he was 36, because the whole point is he like wasted his career being drunk.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_01: And isn't it funny?
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_01: Like, even so Tom Hanks was 36 at that point.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_01: He looks like an old 36.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's just like a strange thing.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_00: Or maybe that's just the like it's just the time, the styling, the hair, you know.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're probably right.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_00: Let's talk about the run that Tom Hanks went on in the 10 years following this movie.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_00: Are you ready for this?
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_01: You don't even you could start before this.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_00: You could start before this.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_00: But let's talk about like this is when all right.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_00: Are you ready?
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_00: Sleepless in Seattle, back-to-back Oscars with Philadelphia and Farrest Gump, Apollo 13, Toy Story, that thing you do, saving private Ryan, You've Got Mail, The Green Mile, Castaway, and Catch Me If You Can.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I know that people, some people don't really like Tom Hanks, but that's you do?
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's political stuff.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_01: But he is the most solid fucking actor ever.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_01: Incredible.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that and not even taking away how amazing all those movies are, the diversity.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_00: So from Philadelphia to Varis Gump.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_01: And then the movies that precede this run and post run are it's just like he's loaded.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_01: Unbelievable.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_00: He actually thought he was a little bit too young for the role, but it made sense.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I I think it worked.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think it took anything away from it.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_00: I don't either.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_00: He is he's he is great.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_00: The P the 50 53 seconds, I think it was.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_00: That was actually Penny Marshall was had a hose into a bucket.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_00: That's okay.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_00: So I know it is really funny.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_00: They wanted Christopher Walken to play Harvey, the boss man, but she wanted to save money, so she hired her brother, Gary Marshall, who Also, can't go wrong.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_01: Can't go wrong.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_01: He's always kind of like the devil in Salem.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_00: He's always like uh it's nice to see you.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_01: I agree.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_00: And then we got Ro and Mo, as she called Rosie and Madonna, which this movie sparked like a lifelong friendship for them.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I'll say something else.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_01: I'm typically, I I think that Rosie O'Donnell is sometimes one of the most unlikable human beings.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_01: I knew you were gonna say that.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_01: But I had to say, like, it adds this role incredibly likable.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_00: And well, I loved that her and Madonna, their friendship felt so real because they like made fun of each other.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like the she the friendship did feel real.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_01: I like that you said that.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_00: When she was like, You think that there's a man out there that hasn't seen your bosoms?
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_01: And then like when she comes out of the confessional and she's like, What you say, man?
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like, like she like I am, you know, I know all your secrets too, and I'm just the one you said.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_00: That's the second time she he's dropped the Bible since she's been in there.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_00: And they said that everybody was really intimidated by Madonna, except for Rosie.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_00: She would like come onto the set singing Madonna songs, and Madonna would get annoyed and be like, Stop singing that.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_00: And she was like, No way, I love this song.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_00: It's so good.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_00: Now for Kit, Moira Kelly, Karen, what's her name?
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_00: Karen Scott.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_00: No, not Scott, and Wonder Hill, Lucas's mom.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_00: And the cutting edge.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_00: That was really beautiful.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_00: That was a beautiful moment.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_01: I love Iovik.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_01: I love her.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_00: She would have been a great kit, although I think she would have been more likable.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I think the whole point was that Kit was supposed to not be likable.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, kit from the beginning was like, it's like, shut up, kit.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_01: Is that one?
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_00: And it's interesting.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_00: I want to talk about the sister dynamic.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like, so this is a sister movie at the heart of it, you know, sisters in friendship, sisters, actual sisters.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, I thought it was interesting how like Dottie didn't do anything wrong ever.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that was part of the problem.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I would imagine being her sister would be very hard.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like she's a foot taller, she's stunningly attractive.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_00: She's good at everything.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_00: She's married.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Kit was attractive too in her own way.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_00: And she was, but her bitterness really ate away at her.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_00: She had a dark soul.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_00: She had a dark soul.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_01: She needed to get away.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm glad that she did because like the baseball became her thing.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_01: I think she needed her thing.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_00: That was like the and even Dottie leaves, and she leaves, you know, one of the best players in the league.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_00: So that's tough.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_00: But wait, let's just finish talking about that.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_00: Got released October and they filmed from July to October 91.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_00: Ton of mishaps.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_00: Anne Ramsey broke her nose trying to catch a ball.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of players lost a lot of skin on their legs from the skirts.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_00: Duh.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_00: Lori Petty broke her foot.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_00: Oh.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_00: And that scene where the she had the huge bruise, you know, where they like were icing the bruise.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_00: What?
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_00: That was real.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_00: That was real.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_00: She said she had it for like 10 years.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_00: Imagine how long that bruise would last.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_00: I would be at the hospital being scanned for blood clots immediately.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_01: Have you ever seen speaking of Lori Petty?
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_01: Have you ever seen Tank Girl?
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yes and no.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_00: Like I know exactly what you're talking about.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure I ever actually watched it.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_00: I walked by it in at Blockbuster.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_01: Me too, a lot.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_01: And I just kept moving.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_01: There's nothing about that that calls to me.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_01: But people swear by it.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like some people are like, Well, she had a moment.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_01: She did.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_01: What was the other?
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_00: After this, I feel like.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_01: What else has she been in?
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_01: I don't but maybe I feel like she was probably in something with Polly Shore.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe in the army now.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: Is that Lori Petty?
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like she became like a really bitter lesbian.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_00: Is she lesbian?
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, a free willy.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_00: She was in point break.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_01: She was actually great in point break, to be honest.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, wasn't she no, nope.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_00: I was gonna say, wasn't she the one that shaved her head in Empire Records?
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_00: But that is not her.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_00: That's a completely different person.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_01: No, she is, isn't she the lady from the craft?
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, from the craft.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_00: Robin something.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_01: She was very pretty.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_00: Made 132 million on a 40 million dollar budget.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_01: Those Marshalls, huh?
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, Penny Marshall has made so many so many bangers.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_00: All right, so let's talk about the movie.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_00: So we start out with old Gina Davis.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_00: So they said that they just didn't have the technology to age them up.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_00: But with the voiceover, so it's Gina Davis's real voice.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't realize that they did a voiceover.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's haunting.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_01: Wait, so when that old lady talks, it's Gina Davis?
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it's so fucking it's weird.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_01: Because the things she's saying are so like lame.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_01: And then like she like when she talks to her grandson, she's like, beat his ass.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_00: How about when the the daughter comes in and she's packing the suitcase and it's all like white satin clothes and she just throws that dirty ass mitt right on top.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_01: I actually didn't notice that.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't know if that's like somebody who does a lot of laundry thing.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_01: Like when she's like it needs oil to the glove, and and Dottie's like, don't we all?
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_00: Oil nailed it.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um the song that they play when it's it's awful.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_01: I know, I know, I know.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_02: Now and forever.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_02: I'll remember all the promises still unbroken.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, it's it's the whole, the whole, you're right.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_01: You know what?
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_01: You're right.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_01: The beginning is like completely I don't know that we needed it.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_01: You know what could have been?
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_01: It could have been like her opening a suitcase and putting a glove in it and kind of like sighing.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_00: Or like stuff in the glove, you know, like hitting the glove.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I know what you mean.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_01: So then she's gonna get the fart in the face out of my head.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_01: The what?
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_01: I cannot get that.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_01: Why would someone fart in someone's face?
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's really Shirley McLean.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_00: She's like a very acclaimed actress, even at that point.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_01: What are the circumstances where you're like, you know what?
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's a it's a perfect storm.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_01: Like I I have to fart.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_01: Upsetting me.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_01: She's sitting down, I'm standing up.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_01: I have to do this.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_00: I just when I read that, I was like, what?
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_00: Like Deborah.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_00: What I wonder if it was like during one of her because terms of endearment is an incredibly sad movie.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_01: I know it's just like a fart noise.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_00: Like they were in the hospital room filming a scene, and she was like, I'm gonna lighten this up.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I know.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: Holy God.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_01: It is interesting.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's a fun fact.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_00: It's one of the I would say one of the funner funner facts that we've had on this podcast.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so first of all, she takes a flight.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_00: Where is she going?
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_00: She's on she takes a flight because they said she's catching the plane, and then she's on a Greyhound bus.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_01: Like where is this place?
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_00: Where are we?
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_00: I guess if it's like the baseball hall of fame isn't kind of a random place.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_00: It's in like Ohio, right?
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_00: Rent a car.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_00: It's in Coopersfield.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_00: Where the hell is that?
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_00: It's not like somewhere that's close to an airport, I don't think.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe I don't know.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_00: I have no idea.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_00: Where is it?
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_00: It's in New York.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_00: I we went there, we went, we did a basketball trip and we drove by it, and it was like kind of in the middle of nowhere.
• 29:34
  unknown: Okay.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_00: Anyways, so it we show up.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_00: John Lovitz is scouting his comedy in this movie.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_00: This was like peak comedy for me.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_01: I like John Lovitz, first of all, just the way he talks is enough to make you laugh.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_00: The little offhanded insults and but like don't eat the don't eat that about the grass.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_01: Did you tell the cows you're right?
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_01: And just like when he's like when when Marla turns around and he sees her and he acts like like he's like scared for a second.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_01: She's not that ugly.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_01: That's so weird.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_00: I was thinking about that.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what do you think having a part like that does to your like psyche?
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_01: Same thing.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like when you're when you're reading the script and you're like, and it it's not you yet, and it just says ugly girls, I'm ugly girl.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_00: And like that's the joke the whole time.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_00: On more than one occasion, they reference how ugly you are, and then like the fact that you're the one who got married.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and like almost like that's the miracle of the message.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_00: I guess at that time it would be that like getting married would be the peak, but like finish out the season.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it can wait.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like, not hooch.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_00: I could see any of the other ones getting out there.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_00: Betty Spaghetti.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, did you know that Betty Spaghetti is Penny Marshall's daughter?
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_01: I did not know that.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she was, and she was good, she was great.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_00: I don't even think a lot of Neppo there.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_00: We meet Madonna and Rosie, May and Dolores.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_00: Dolores or Doris?
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's Dolores.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_00: I will say though, like for Rosie, she has a couple good roles.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_00: She was in remember that movie Beautiful Girls?
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_01: Is that the one where it's like New England town?
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, young Natalie Portman, like 13-year-old.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_01: The guy has like a weird relationship with her.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I remember Megan us watching this movie and her being like, She's gonna grow up to be the most beautiful adult.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_00: And she did.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she did.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_00: She was like a preteen.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_00: You could tell she was gonna have a perfect face.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_00: But Rosie was in that, she was great in that.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_00: She was in now and then.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_01: Great in now and then.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I she didn't really have to carry, she was great in this movie called Another Stakeout, too.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_00: I remember that one.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, look, she's a good actress.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, like she's a lot, yeah.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_00: She's a lot in real life, but as an actress, she's good.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_00: She was funny on and just like that, too.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_00: She played a nun that traveled to New York to go see a musical, and then Miranda slept with her.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_00: Anyways, moving on.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_00: The team announcements, they announced the teams, the girl who can't read, what a scene.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, she could have just said I can't read.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but it was probably like really embarrassing.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_00: And also, like, you're way out of your element here.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like, did you make the team?
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_01: And she's crying.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, okay.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_00: It's crazy because it's like, even though you can't read, you don't know how to like read your own name.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_01: Make it like a letter.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you can't get your first letter.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_01: I you know what I mean?
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_00: Like, like at no point, I guess that would happen if you worked on a farm, you never went to school.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_00: At that time, you don't know what your own name looks like.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_00: You're like 25.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_01: I hate it.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_00: Is that wrong?
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_00: I feel I feel bad even saying that.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you just feel like someone would have been like, Look, you know, we're not gonna teach you to read.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like an M like this.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_00: You gotta learn how to spell your own name.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_01: You like we're we're not gonna get past like this is the first letter of your first name, and this is the first letter of your last name.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_01: If you go with that, you'll probably be able to tell if you're on some kind of list or something at some point.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_00: It's good to know.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's a good reminder.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_00: Let's make sure our kids like at least know how to spell their own name, you know.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_01: Which, you know, I probably should check in on.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you have no idea.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_00: Dads, you dads.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_00: Then we meet Jimmy, the peeing scene.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_00: We already talked about great, great time.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_00: So then we have a lot of great, there's uh not much to say individually.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_00: This is the thing about this movie, like, there's nothing really, I don't want to say not exceptional, but like there's nothing crazy about it.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's a very like it's like your classic sports movie where they they have to like sort of have their clashes and they have to come together.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they're always good though, which is nice.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_00: You don't see that a lot in sports movies, yeah.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_01: And and they're like they have their like oops, we we had this bonding moment when they like go to the bar.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_01: That's kind of like a bonding.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_00: And then I wonder if they did that just to like give Madonna like an ability to dance.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and she did crush the dancing, yeah.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_00: Of course.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, yeah, Vogue.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_00: Hello.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_01: Madonna in the 90s.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_01: You talk about the uh for me, for my money, I mean there's just something about Madonna.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_00: I know, and this was her first time with dark hair, too.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_00: I I want to say or a dark hair era.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_00: She looked good, she did look good.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_00: I'm it makes me sad where she is now because like super like robot, fake personally, yeah.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_00: Well, like all those the plastic surgery and just it's a lot.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_00: You gotta get old.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_00: You gotta get old, and like I've been seeing a lot of stuff about good plastic surgery, and I think that that's so important.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_00: But I think if you just start young, I'm worried about these girls in their 20s with the fillers.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_00: Because once you've had fillers, you kind of can't not have fillers because your your lips will be fucking flopping all over the place.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_00: I haven't gone down that road.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_00: I do some light botox, and that's where it begins and ends.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_01: I see.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_01: I don't I well, a guy's guy wouldn't do that stuff, right?
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_00: No, you wouldn't do that stuff.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_01: Although I am thinking of doing you're gonna laugh at this, and this is actually true, and maybe get your take for the podcast.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_01: I am thinking about scalp micropigmentation.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, okay.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_00: So that's like drawing it on, like tattooing hair.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_00: Sort of, yeah.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_00: Why don't you just go to Turkey and get a hair transplant?
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_00: That's not because you see those people that come back with their heads all bloody and stuff.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but like then it comes in.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_00: I've decided to allow Crosby to watch The Office and that watching the first season, like pre-Steve Carell's hair transplant, or he just had gotten hair plugs or something, and it's pretty crazy to like see it in action.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_01: You know, Brady did something too, obviously.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_00: I everyone Oh, yeah, for sure.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_00: My thing is like, why don't you just go to Dr.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_00: Leonard and Cranston and get like on a vitamin regimen?
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_00: Try that first before you get into like tattooing it.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_00: What is that gonna look like?
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like I have like I buzz my hair, but like I've chose it.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean, oh, so you would like remove the hair that is there?
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_00: What do they keep saying?
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_00: They say frames your face.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_00: Now, what do you got?
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_00: Do you have like a horseshoe?
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, no, I kind of have like a almost like a like a like widow's peak.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_00: So you got like the little guy right here.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yep.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the little guy in the bangs in front.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_00: You should grow it out sometime just to see.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's tough, but you know, you're a guy, so like you can shave your head, you know, like you have options, like it's still not it's still not fair to be a woman.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_00: We still we're still not allowed to age.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_00: You think being bald's easy?
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_00: It's not.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_00: No, I wouldn't know.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_00: I have a ton of hair.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_00: Have a baby, you know, have a baby in your forties.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_00: I I she brought me all this extra hair and it's still here.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_00: It's great.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_00: No offense, sorry, that was rude.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_01: It's fine.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_01: I got a great mustache.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_00: I mean yeah, and you look young.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_00: Like that's the thing.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_01: Chest hair.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_00: That's how it goes.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_00: It's the same with like gray hair.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_00: Like your hair doesn't get gray underneath in the back.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's no, but my cousin has my cousin has a thick, full head of hair.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_01: He's like the only one of us.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_01: Me and my cousin Chris are like bald as can be.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_01: What the fuck?
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, my hair went gray.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_01: We're like, dude, you have you look like George Clooney.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_00: I know, and gray hair is really attractive.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what?
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's unfair.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_00: So then we have the kit and Dottie dynamic.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_00: Let's talk about that for a minute.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_00: Donnie is a good person, she is good at everything, like, and that's frustrating, but it's also like doesn't justify kit being so awful.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_01: No, and I I think I really like philosophically agree with that.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like Kit could learn that try to be good.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_01: Try to think so much, try to think less about how you want to feel and like in and making it about you, and just try to be good, like Dodd.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, or like focus your energy on like doing anything besides hating on your sister.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_00: That being said, what else is there to do?
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_00: They they work together, they live together, they're on a farm in the middle of nowhere.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_00: You're like in your 20s, so it's not like you're you know in school.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, does nothing but trail her sister around.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_00: Then we have the telegram scene.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_00: This fucked me up as a kid.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_00: When they deliver the news that Betty Spaghetti's husband died.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_00: Can you imagine having to like play baseball?
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_00: Well, she didn't play baseball, she left.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so then Bob shows up that that night, I guess, and Dottie's like, I'm out of here.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_00: Decides to leave, decides she needs to drive her husband across country.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_00: Like, take a bus later.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_00: Or why doesn't he stay?
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't seem like he has anything else going on right now.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like, he probably wants a break too.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like, maybe I'll just watch baseball for a little bit.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, and like when they show the scenes where he's there, he's like supportive.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_00: Like I could see a man coming home and being like WTF, even though you're like making twice my salary.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_00: But actually, one of the things that I saw was the deleted scene that they decided not to do is that Tom Hanks and Dottie kiss.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_01: He kisses her.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_01: I'm glad they decided not to do that.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and at pretty much universally, it was like, no, nobody wants this.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_00: The women who are in the base, like the real women, they brought them in to like whatever, not supervise, but like probably like have an opinion about stuff.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_00: And they all hated it.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_00: They were like, she would never cheat on her husband, he's away at war.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_00: There's no way.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_00: And like that's not where they wanted to go.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_00: And it doesn't need that.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm glad they had the old lady consultants because that actually makes a lot of sense.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_01: That would have kind of put a that would have made him and her both extremely less likable.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_00: And the thing about it is, I was thinking this, I just saw the devil wears Prada too.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_00: And there's this whole like side subplot with Anne Hathaway like meeting this guy, and they like start dating and whatever.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, why can't we just have a fucking movie without a man coming in?
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_00: And that's what I think is this movie passes the Bechtel test.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know what the Bechtel test is?
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_00: So it's this test that they came up with to kind of show how irrelevant women are in cinema.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_00: And for a movie to pass the Bechtel test, there has to be one scene with two women in it, both of whom have a name in the movie, that are having a conversation that does not involve a man.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's not about a man, he's not in the conversation, it's just two women in the scene talking about something besides a man.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_00: And like 70% of movies fail.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_00: It's wild.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_00: There was there's entire years where every single best picture nominee would have been eliminated if they had used the Bechtel test.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_01: I wonder if the if a movie was just men though, and then there'd be no interest like a no woman in it, that would probably be a problem too.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like it's the same thing.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_00: You're saying the same thing.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_00: You mean if there was a movie about women, no men in it?
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_01: No, no.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_01: If there was a movie, oh okay, okay, okay.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_00: Because there's lots of movies with all men and no women in it.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_01: But do they ever but really?
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_01: And they never talk about a woman or like there's just love interest or something like that?
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_00: No, it would be like if there's movies, there's lots of movies about men where women aren't even mentioned at all.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, yeah.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_00: That's the overriding thing.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_00: The weird thing would be if there were movies about women where men weren't mentioned at all.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_00: Think of any movie about women, and men are always the centerpiece.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_00: You know, even something like Sex in the City, where it's overwhelmingly women, 90% of the conversations are about men.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, that makes sense, actually.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_00: So this movie passes that.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_01: There's like very few scenes that are about the heroes and like the the all the likable, and like you know, Tom Hanks has to earn his his role.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_00: I he's yeah, he's very unlikable.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_00: So then she decides to leave.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_00: We talked about this, this is really grinds my gears.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_00: I always thought that she left for like one game.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't realize she missed almost the entire series.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I didn't realize that either.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_01: And and then that's like honestly, I I'm with you.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like, there it seems to be no reason for it to go that way.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_00: At max, there's seven baseball games.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like you can't say for seven the first fucking women's world series.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's so weird, isn't it?
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_01: It's so weird.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_00: And then no, what it's the whole point of the movie that she drops the ball.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_01: I forgot about that for a second.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_00: Let's talk about this the ball drop.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_00: So purpose or not purpose.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_00: So Tucker was watching it with me.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_00: I was watching it with my whole family, and he was like, Absolutely not, like, no athlete would ever do that.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_00: And I am leaning towards no, it was not on purpose solely because like four minutes before this, she had gone to the plate and told her to try to strike her out.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_01: So here's my thing if the ball drops, she goes home, right?
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_00: It does either way, the season ends.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, this was the last game in the series.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_00: What would be the benefit of dropping the ball?
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, giving Kit her moment.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, what if it was subconscious?
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_00: I think that it could be subconscious, but I also think that I feel like it's more how they chose to show it.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_00: The only reason it you think she drops it on purpose is because it looks like she lets go.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_00: And here's the thing nothing else leads you to believe that she did it on purpose.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_01: I think she did it on purpose.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_01: You do?
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_01: I do because Dottie's good.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_01: And ultimately, does Dottie want the glory or does she want Kit to have that one chance?
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_00: But is there any world in which she is underestimating kit and how hard she's gonna hit her?
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_00: And so she's not preparing herself to be trucked.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_00: Not bad.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_00: That's not bad.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_01: Like she could like Dottie could have fucking laid her out, but she decided, like, all right, I'm just gonna like make it look like this was hard, and she surprised her a little bit.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_01: I get behind that, but I do think that Dottie being Dottie, if Dottie wanted to hold on to that ball with everything she's got, she's got the ball.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I think she could, or she was just tired, she was over it.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe she wasn't warmed up enough because she missed the first six games in the series.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you let your team down.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_00: That's you let your team down, and if she purposely let it go, that's fucked up too.
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_01: She let your team down again.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_00: If I'm if I'm all the way May, I'm like, what the fuck?
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_00: Uh like the fuck daddy.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_00: What the fuck, Dottie?
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_00: There is also a sa a side of it where it's like Kit is insufferable this entire fucking movie, and then she gets the glory at the end.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_01: Like I know.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_01: And are we supposed to feel happy for her?
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, ugh, fuck.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't want this.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_00: Nobody wants this.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_00: Nobody wants you to win.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_00: The husbands are like, I'm going back to war.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_00: If we could have seen Kit have any kind of growth, I think it would have been nice.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_00: No, she was shitty the whole time.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_00: She was shitty the whole time, and then she got all the glory at the end.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what the fuck?
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_00: Although, I mean, Dottie still wins.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_01: She wins the game of life.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I don't know.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_00: She she wins the game of life.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_00: And then we flash back, you know.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_00: I don't I mean, I I like the flashback at the end.
• 44:42
  unknown: Yeah.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_00: I would say like this movie, nine out of ten.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_00: Nine out of ten.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_00: What do you what do you think could have been improved?
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's a ten out of ten.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_01: I just can never give it ten out of ten.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, what could be improved?
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_01: All right, the beginning.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_01: And she should have fucking rocks kit at the end.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_00: If the peaches won.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, that's just a win.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_01: We followed the peaches the whole time.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_00: That's life, though, I guess, right?
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_00: And that's maybe that makes it a better movie.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_00: I'll give it nine out of ten.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_00: Well.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_00: Well, this was great.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_00: I'm glad we got to talk about this.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_00: I'm glad you you came, you pulled it through at the end.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_00: I remembered.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_00: I knew you would.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_01: Something that I wrote down was definitely being nostalgic for something that didn't happen to me.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_00: So I remember We would have been in trouble if this was like the Othello episode, but I think I was leading it anyway.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_00: Well, we're good to go.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I'll off to work I go.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_00: Off to softball I go.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_00: Isn't that fun?
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_00: I get to go see.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's all fun, isn't it?
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_00: Girl no, like girls played baseball.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_00: Softball.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_00: That is fun for you.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like because we just said an episode about women playing baseball.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_00: You didn't put that together.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_01: Watching softball.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_00: You know what?
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I also was gonna say real quick that I think this episode is gonna air the week before the fourth of July.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_01: So happy fourth.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_00: And then next week we're doing another patriotic themed movie.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_00: Are we doing Top Gun?
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yes.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, that I can do at any moment.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_00: Bye.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_02: This used to be my favorite stone.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_02: This used to be a bright enjoy.