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NOLAN WELLS BOMBSHELL: DEAD TEEN'S MESSAGES DELETED AFTER BODY "WASHES ASHORE?" · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Nolan Wells bombshell tonight. The dead teen's messages deleted after
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Speaker 1: his body washes ashore. Uh huh, good evening, I Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us.
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Speaker 2: Eighteen year old football star Nolan Wells heads to Horn
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Speaker 2: Island with his friends to celebrate the fourth of July,
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Speaker 2: but hours later, after he doesn't return to shore, his
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Speaker 2: friends report him missing, launching a desperate search across the water.
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Speaker 3: They met that day and it was kind of It's
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Speaker 3: kind of one of those things. It did come off
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Speaker 3: that day that he really did like her. But that
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Speaker 3: was the only time they've ever hunk out was Horn
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Speaker 3: Island on July fourth.
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Speaker 4: We're thinking, can you please and if everybody on board
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Speaker 4: and good health otherwise?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, everybody from our friends at jim A. No,
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Speaker 1: everyone was not on board. Nolan was not on board.
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Speaker 1: And who's the mysterious girl he met for the very
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Speaker 1: first time the day he goes missing, his body spotted
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Speaker 1: by the United Cajun Navy washed a short. We have
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Speaker 1: obtained that photo. We were choosing tonight not to show it.
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Speaker 1: That last half from our friends at NBC joining me
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Speaker 1: in All Star panel. But first straight out to Todd Terrell,
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Speaker 1: representing the United Cajun Navy participating in the water search
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Speaker 1: for Nolan Wells. Todd, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: What did you observe?
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Speaker 5: You know, Horn Album that area right there is an
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Speaker 5: area that we have seaplanes that we operate back and
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Speaker 5: forth to the island taking people back and forth fishing
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Speaker 5: or all field workers you know, back off to rigs
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Speaker 5: and stuff. That morning that the body was observed on
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Speaker 5: the northwest portion of Horn Island, which is not unusual
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Speaker 5: for someone to drown and be washed up in that area.
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Speaker 5: There was a part ranger that was on the island
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Speaker 5: that actually had spoted the body, and we were calling
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Speaker 5: in down to law enforcement officials on the ground what
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Speaker 5: we saw from the air.
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Speaker 1: Tdd Terrell joining us from the United Cajun Navy called
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Speaker 1: in to participate in the water search for this young
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Speaker 1: star athlete, Nolan Wells. Tonight, mystery swirling around his death.
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Speaker 1: How is it that a group of his friends go
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Speaker 1: out on a boat. They go to a remote Horn Island.
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Speaker 1: There is nobody, there is uninhabited, there are no phones,
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Speaker 1: there are no bathrooms. It's just a hangout place. How
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Speaker 1: does he end up dead on the shore and everybody
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Speaker 1: else makes it back? I want you to hear one
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Speaker 1: more time what the group is saying about that day.
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Speaker 3: They met that day, and it was kind kind of
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Speaker 3: one of the things it did come off that day
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Speaker 3: that he really did like. But that was the only
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Speaker 3: time they'd never hung out was Horn Island on July.
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Speaker 1: Fourth, Todd, you stated to me that it's quote not
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Speaker 1: unusual for bodies to wash ashore in that spot. What
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Speaker 1: do you mean by that, because if it was that common,
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Speaker 1: wouldn't this be designated a dangerous area and there would
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Speaker 1: be warning signs? What do you mean it's not unusual?
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Speaker 1: I find that hard to believe.
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Speaker 5: Well, many areas along the coast of the whole Gulf
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Speaker 5: Coast area is a dangerous area, you know, I don't
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Speaker 5: believe they could put up signs anywhere. I think it
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Speaker 5: should be known that these are bad areas. The rip
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Speaker 5: current is very bad in that northwestern portion. We call
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Speaker 5: it the washing machine. Actually, it's an area where the
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Speaker 5: current just just rolls round and round in there, kind
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Speaker 5: of like a washing machine. And one of the interesting
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Speaker 5: things was where Nolan was found was probably pretty close
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Speaker 5: to where the incident occurred, so the body didn't go
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Speaker 5: that far.
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Speaker 1: Okay, what incident?
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Speaker 4: Was there?
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Speaker 1: An incident are you suggesting? Todd Terrell? Todd Terrell joining
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Speaker 1: us tonight from the United Cajun Navy. Our friends, by
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Speaker 1: the way, at the United Cajun Navy, they are called
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Speaker 1: in on many many missing person's case. Todd, you stated
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Speaker 1: the incident. What incident? You mean he didn't drown.
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Speaker 5: We're saying that whatever happened, we're calling an incident. Our
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Speaker 5: job as a ninety Cajun Navy is to bring people
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Speaker 5: home back to their families, first of all alive, second
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Speaker 5: of all, recover the body if possible. We knew in
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Speaker 5: this case, the timeframe that was involved, that we were
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Speaker 5: looking for a recovery at this point. But when I
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Speaker 5: said the incident, something happened to make no one not
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Speaker 5: be with us anymore. It appears as though it was
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Speaker 5: a drowning. You know, there was a lot of rumors
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Speaker 5: about him being brought back to the land ten miles away,
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Speaker 5: and you know, brought back out there and jumped off.
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Speaker 5: I don't believe any of that is true. Whatever happened
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Speaker 5: in that water, we're calling the incident. You know, the
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Speaker 5: water goes from two to three foot to like twenty
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Speaker 5: feet real real quick. You know, there was some underage
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Speaker 5: kids out there drinking. It's an island, you know, there's
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Speaker 5: no ideas being checked or anything like that. So we
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Speaker 5: said an incident. There's anything that could have happened, and
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Speaker 5: not every person that drowns. Do you hear screaming and
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Speaker 5: hooping and hollering. But at this point our job was
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Speaker 5: to bring going home and we did that.
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Speaker 1: What was observed, guys, you're seeing right now from our
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Speaker 1: friends at the United Cajian Navy, the video taken from
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Speaker 1: their aerial craft on the beach. You see a grouping
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Speaker 1: of individuals. Now, from another source, we have obtained photos
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Speaker 1: of Nolan's body that we are not showing. It's just
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Speaker 1: not right. But I can tell you when you see
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Speaker 1: that grouping of people on the beach, they look like
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Speaker 1: little ant figures from this high up above. But that
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Speaker 1: is where no one's body is. They're standing around it.
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Speaker 1: As I recalled Todd Tyrell, no one was face down,
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Speaker 1: still fully clothed, on the beach. Is that correct?
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Speaker 5: Yes, that is correct. He was face down, which would
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Speaker 5: have meant that he drowned. Now, when we say he
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Speaker 5: was found fully closed beach. It was in the same
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Speaker 5: vicinity of where he possibly drowned, you know, right there,
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Speaker 5: So it was not uncommon for the body to have
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Speaker 5: washed up right there. That being said, that area full
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Speaker 5: of rip currents really strong. Right there goes from two
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Speaker 5: to three foot to twenty feet pretty much. We're in
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Speaker 5: a couple steps. So that being said, whatever happened happened
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Speaker 5: really really close to where the body was found.
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Speaker 1: You know, Todd Arrel, I don't mean to be giving
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Speaker 1: you a hard time. This is not about you. The
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Speaker 1: United Cajian Navy are the protagonist in this. You're the
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Speaker 1: good guys. I've just got so many questions about how
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Speaker 1: this happened. Was there anyone else on Horn Island when
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Speaker 1: Nolan's body was found?
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Speaker 5: Now, there was the park ranger was out there, and
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Speaker 5: there was some law enforcement officials that actually had their
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Speaker 5: boats anchored out there. You know, they were kind of
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Speaker 5: like waiting around for a call of what to do.
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Speaker 5: What people don't realize is you're looking for a body
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Speaker 5: on the water, especially in the Gulf where you have
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Speaker 5: waves going and you have white caps, it's a little
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Speaker 5: bit harder to see when you're in a boat, you
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Speaker 5: can only kind of see the vicinity around you. So
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Speaker 5: we put these seaplanes up in the air. We can
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Speaker 5: get a much more visual of a much more bigger area,
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Speaker 5: and these seaplanes can go low and slow. So what
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Speaker 5: we do is we stay in contact with the officials
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Speaker 5: on the ground and tell them what we see, and
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Speaker 5: if they see something too, they can relay it up
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Speaker 5: to us and we can go investigate it. So in
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Speaker 5: this case, there were several law enforcement boats that were
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Speaker 5: just kind of hanging out in the area on the island,
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Speaker 5: and there was numerous other boats in the area, you know,
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Speaker 5: circling and looking. But the body was found by a
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Speaker 5: park ranger as it worshed up on the beach.
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm very curious Todd guys joining us Todd
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Speaker 1: Terrell with unitedcas Navy. When I said, was anyone else
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Speaker 1: on the island when no one's body was found? Your
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Speaker 1: answer was completely one. But let me rephrase and refine
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Speaker 1: my question. You're saying the park ranger found him. That
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Speaker 1: leads me to believe there were no friends. There was
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Speaker 1: no newly met girlfriend, So am I left to believe
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Speaker 1: that he goes out swimming all on his own and
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Speaker 1: the friend girl leaves the mates from school. Everybody just
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Speaker 1: leaves him out in the water and he dies and
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Speaker 1: then just conveniently washes ashore. Somebody just left him out
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Speaker 1: of the water. Does that make sense to you, Todd Terrell.
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Speaker 5: Well, you know, being a person that goes to this
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Speaker 5: island and several other areas that you can only get
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Speaker 5: to by boat. We have some restaurants and bars in
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Speaker 5: Louisiana that you can only get to by boat, which
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Speaker 5: means you have to hitch a ride with somebody on
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Speaker 5: a boat or that has a boat to get there,
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Speaker 5: which a lot of things could go wrong in that scenario.
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Speaker 5: But as far as what we believe, I believe that
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Speaker 5: Nolan went out there with a group of friends. They
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Speaker 5: were friendly obviously, so because he was even out there,
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Speaker 5: I mean, you got to understand, to go to an island,
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Speaker 5: you have to have a boat, which means you have
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Speaker 5: to have friends. You have to have people that kind
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Speaker 5: of like you to even bring you out there. So
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Speaker 5: when no one got out there, the group of guys
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Speaker 5: he was with, you know, they decided to come in
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Speaker 5: a little bit earlier. They were having some indioing trouble
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Speaker 5: in their boat. Which is not uncommon. Happens a lot
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Speaker 5: on Nolan. For whatever reason, it's not there on the island,
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Speaker 5: which is not uncommon. He could have, you know, had
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Speaker 5: this girl he was talking to, he could have just
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Speaker 5: for whatever reason, decided to stay. Not uncommon. That doesn't
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Speaker 5: give us any reason to thank our player or anything
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Speaker 5: was involved there. The issue is when he stayed on
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Speaker 5: the island, he had to hit you ride back in
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Speaker 5: with somebody. And there's where the issue becomes. Who did
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Speaker 5: he hit your ride back in exactly? How were these
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Speaker 5: people connected to him? How did they know him? And
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Speaker 5: it's not uncommon for you not to know somebody at
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Speaker 5: all and just say hey, I need to ride back
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Speaker 5: in and say yeah, come on, get in the boat
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Speaker 5: with us. So if I say hey, Nancy, come on,
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Speaker 5: get in the boat with us, that means at that
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Speaker 5: point we're responsible for you.
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Speaker 1: But Todd, here's my issue again. I agree with what
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Speaker 1: you said, but the critical moment is somebody had to
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Speaker 1: leave him there alone. For the rest of the scenario
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Speaker 1: that you're describing to unfold, he had to be alone
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Speaker 1: and Todd, and I'm going to bring you the rest
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Speaker 1: of the panel. I want you to hear this That
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Speaker 1: is from Anna Moore on snapchat, and you have to
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Speaker 1: listen very intently to hear what she claims is being said.
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Speaker 1: Todd Terrrold United, CAJA Navy, please don't move. Joining me now,
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Speaker 1: Caitlin Becker, the senior national correspondent, New York Post. She
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Speaker 1: is the star of New York Post Cast New York
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Speaker 1: Post Cast. That's her podcast. Caitlin, thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us now. According to what this Anna Moore on
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Speaker 1: Snapchat has revealed you can hear. And this is also
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Speaker 1: according to the attorneys, give me my effing phone. This
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Speaker 1: is no one reportedly talking. What the eff are you doing?
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Speaker 1: The friend, they claim trastan shephard. I can't tell that
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Speaker 1: from what I'm hearing. The friend says, get off me,
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Speaker 1: get the f off this boat, f you. Bro. Now,
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Speaker 1: the voice we believe is Nolan's is give my f
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Speaker 1: and phone, what the eff are you doing? And then
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Speaker 1: another voice get off me, get the f off this boat?
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Speaker 3: F you?
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Speaker 1: Okay, what do we know? And Caitlin Becker joining us
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Speaker 1: from New York Post. Who is this mysterious friend girl?
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Speaker 1: Because I want to talk to her.
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Speaker 6: I want to talk to her too. Nancy The video
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Speaker 6: is tough. The snapchat is really tough because you do
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Speaker 6: clearly hear an angry altercation. There is the assumption that
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Speaker 6: we're working off of that it is Nolan. However, a
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Speaker 6: few other friends have confirmed it's not Nolan. There's actually
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Speaker 6: someone who said it was me, not him. So you
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Speaker 6: have someone coming forward saying that is not him on
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Speaker 6: the video. So then did no altercation actually take place
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Speaker 6: or is someone jumping in saying that's me to misdirect
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Speaker 6: redirect us from looking at it. That's the one question.
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Speaker 6: The other question that you asked is who's the girl?
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Speaker 6: Her name is apparently allegedly Haitie. That's kind of all
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Speaker 6: we know, just Katie. Someone reporting to be related to
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Speaker 6: Katie went on social media, and this is not something
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Speaker 6: that we've been able to confirm, nor have investigators confirmed it.
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Speaker 6: But according to this person, Katie said, we met, we talked,
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Speaker 6: he seemed like he was going back on the boat
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Speaker 6: with his friends, and that was that.
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Speaker 1: So Haitieme hold on right there, Kaitlyn Becker, Kitlyn, Caitlin
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Speaker 1: Kitlyn right there. The girl if she exists, says they talked,
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Speaker 1: they chatted it up, probably flirting with each other. If
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Speaker 1: accounts are true, then he leaves to go back to
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Speaker 1: the boat with his friends. But according to the friends,
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Speaker 1: he stayed with her right there. That is a conflict
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Speaker 1: that doesn't fit. Now, Caitlin Becker and the rest of
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Speaker 1: the panel, I want you to hear this.
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Speaker 3: Is that Nolan in the video.
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Speaker 7: I can't tell it's too far away, but in that
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Speaker 7: video I feel like it's the voices are too clear,
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Speaker 7: Like from the side, it's too clear for it to
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Speaker 7: be that far away for it to be Nolan arguing.
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Speaker 8: And then also that altercation, it sounds just like my
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Speaker 8: other friend that got into an altercation on the boat
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Speaker 8: and they were trying to like as he was in
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Speaker 8: the altercation, I was calming him down, they were trying
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Speaker 8: to get him out off the island. They were trying
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Speaker 8: to get him back to land because he was just
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Speaker 8: losing it.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So you've got that's from our friend Harvey Levin
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Speaker 1: at TMZ. So you've got half the people saying that
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Speaker 1: is no one that's in an altercation and is getting
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Speaker 1: thrown off the boat. And then you got half the
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Speaker 1: people going no, no, no, no, that's not him. But to me,
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Speaker 1: the clear problem is that critical moment where Katie, if
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Speaker 1: she exists, says he went back with his friends, and
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Speaker 1: the friends say, oh, no, we left. He wanted to
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Speaker 1: stay with her right there. That is the first conflict.
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Speaker 1: Both cannot be true. Those cannot mutually exist in truth,
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Speaker 1: they're mutually exclusive. He can't go with them and stay
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Speaker 1: with her on Horn Island right there, John Mobley joining me,
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Speaker 1: high profile lawyer out of Charleston, South Carolina. John, That's
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Speaker 1: where it starts that I don't know who's lying, but
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Speaker 1: somebody's lying right there.
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Speaker 9: Mobley, Well, I don't know that I would necessarily agree
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Speaker 9: with you on that. I think they can be both
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Speaker 9: partly true, dependent on perspective. I think one thing we
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Speaker 9: have to kind of keep in mind with this is
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Speaker 9: we have a lot of different people telling things from
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Speaker 9: different perspectives, from their own individual's perspectives. It's certainly conceivable
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Speaker 9: that he let his friends lead to stay with the female.
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Speaker 9: If he was with the female with won that happened,
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Speaker 9: and once he finished his communication or whatever he was doing,
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Speaker 9: the female told her he was leaving to go back
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Speaker 9: with his friends, and from her standpoint, he said he
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Speaker 9: was going back with his friends, which did not necessarily
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Speaker 9: mean they were the same friends that dropped them off.
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Speaker 9: So I would disagree with you on.
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Speaker 1: That hold on Mobley. Let me see Mobley, Mobley, you're
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Speaker 1: right because, as I've told many many juries, as a
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Speaker 1: trial judge once always said in his jury instructions, it
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Speaker 1: is your duty to make all witnesses speak the truth
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Speaker 1: and in ping perjury to no one. So actually, what
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Speaker 1: you're saying could could be true if there's another group
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Speaker 1: of friends, if they exist, we haven't heard about him,
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Speaker 1: but you're saying he left with one group and had
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Speaker 1: planned to come back with another group. Okay, I don't
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Speaker 1: know if you're just spinning that out, but that could
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Speaker 1: be possible. Okay, Mobley listened to this, so you said
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Speaker 1: that you hear on.
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Speaker 10: The video Nolan saying, yes, my breaking thing.
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Speaker 11: That's what a witness told us, and that's what we
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Speaker 11: put out. Then another witness that come forth and said no,
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Speaker 11: that was his voice. We have other witnesses and said
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Speaker 11: there were other altercations. So, as mister Hurt said, we're
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Speaker 11: trying to go through it all and so forth, and
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Speaker 11: we'll be even more careful to say this is what
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Speaker 11: a witness told us in the future. Now we have
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Speaker 11: audio people doing it, but we know certain people said
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Speaker 11: it was him, and there certain people said that it
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Speaker 11: was not him.
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Speaker 1: That is our friend, high profile lawyer Ben Crump, And
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Speaker 1: the last thing you want is him three inches up
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Speaker 1: your tail pipe. Okay, that's where our friends at Fox ten.
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Speaker 1: So this is where it stands. Who left him there?
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Speaker 1: Is there really a Katie? Did he stay with her?
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Speaker 1: Did he leave with his friends? How did he end
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Speaker 1: up there? A lung? Which I find very very disturbing.
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Speaker 1: And also back to Caitlin Beckery Jordan, a senior national
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Speaker 1: correspondent Post Star of in Why Post Cast The Postcast,
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Speaker 1: a set of podcasts Postcast Caitlin Now, allegations have reared
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Speaker 1: their ugly head that his phone has been tampered with
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Speaker 1: and items have been deleted.
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Speaker 6: Explain they had his phone and when his mother was
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Speaker 6: looking for his phone when they when he was missing,
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Speaker 6: there were two different ways to identify it, either Snapchat
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Speaker 6: location or a Life three sixty location. They showed different locations,
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Speaker 6: which is very possible because one update automatically, the other
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Speaker 6: only updates when you open the app. But when she
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Speaker 6: finally tracked it down, she says there was nothing on
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Speaker 6: it from that day. And this is a teenager. This
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Speaker 6: is a teenager who is constantly on their phones. Yes,
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Speaker 6: when you're on a boat like this and you're you're
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Speaker 6: out there, you leave it on the boat because you
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Speaker 6: can't really get it wet, and you don't want to
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Speaker 6: have it come to the beach with you because you
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Speaker 6: have to actually go in the water to get there.
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Speaker 6: But to have the phone from these friends who didn't
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Speaker 6: willingly turn it over, didn't give it to investigators, didn't
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Speaker 6: give it to his mom, just had it and for
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Speaker 6: her to open it up and say, I see nothing
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Speaker 6: from that day, no snapchats, no photos. It looked like
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Speaker 6: things were missing, like there was a gap in the
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Speaker 6: timeline of the life cycle of his phone.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I've got another problem regarding his phone and well
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Speaker 1: number one to doctor Janey Lacy, joining US license psychotherapist,
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Speaker 1: CEO of Life Counseling Solutions, author of Well mini books,
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Speaker 1: but how to Heal from a Toxic relationship and she's
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Speaker 1: the star of Let's talk about it with Janie Lacey. Okay,
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Speaker 1: doctor Janey, who leaves their phone behind? Now, look, I
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Speaker 1: just got off a boat with my twins. We went
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Speaker 1: fishing all over the panhandle. We have what you call
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Speaker 1: dry bags. We don't leave our boat, leave our phone
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Speaker 1: anywhere because what if we need it? What if we
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Speaker 1: need it out in the middle of nowhere. And we
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Speaker 1: were on a little strip land right off the gulf
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Speaker 1: where like Horn Island, there's no people. We were there
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Speaker 1: fishing alone, believe it or not. And we had our
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Speaker 1: cell phones. Now, I'm an adult, a teane. What tane
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Speaker 1: leaves their cell phone? Uh?
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Speaker 10: None, exactly, Nancy. I have a teenager.
20:30
Speaker 12: His phone is with him in his pocket all the time,
20:33
Speaker 12: and he even brings his phone to the bathroom. So
20:35
Speaker 12: we know that tanes do not leave their phone. It
20:38
Speaker 12: is their way to communicate. It is attached to them.
20:41
Speaker 10: So what I think about what we're talking about right
20:43
Speaker 10: here is right concealment.
20:45
Speaker 12: And I can't speak to what these young people did,
20:47
Speaker 12: but I can tell you, especially young people, when it
20:50
Speaker 12: comes to their phone and the constantly posting things, it
20:53
Speaker 12: is their norm.
20:55
Speaker 10: So when it comes to deleting, hiding, or even going silent.
20:58
Speaker 12: After a tragedy, to me, it's always driven by fear.
21:01
Speaker 12: Fear of potential blame, fear of consequences, fear of what
21:05
Speaker 12: the truth might mean. About themselves. But we know that
21:08
Speaker 12: secrets don't protect end when teens don't have their phone
21:12
Speaker 12: or when their phone potentially is taken from their friends,
21:15
Speaker 12: we know that there's a reason behind it.
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Speaker 10: It's usually driven by fear.
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Speaker 1: Nancy, Okay, I got another issue, Kaitlin Becker joining us
21:22
Speaker 1: with New York Post. Caitlin, the Live three sixty seems
21:29
Speaker 1: to show something very different than other digital evidence. What
21:34
Speaker 1: do you know about that discrepancy?
21:36
Speaker 6: It comes down to location where the Life three sixty
21:40
Speaker 6: shows him on dry land versus where the snapchat showed
21:43
Speaker 6: him in the water, where he was and where the
21:45
Speaker 6: phone was positioned. So that is something that I think
21:48
Speaker 6: forensic investigators have to look into digital forensic investigators because
21:53
Speaker 6: it's difficult to determine from looking at it from their perspective,
21:56
Speaker 6: where was the phone actually was it out on the
21:58
Speaker 6: water at the last time it was you? Was it
22:01
Speaker 6: on dry land at the last time it was used?
22:03
Speaker 6: And when his mom went to go pick it up,
22:07
Speaker 6: who was the last person to have used it. That's
22:09
Speaker 6: something that sticks out to me because I have to
22:11
Speaker 6: imagine it was password protected and why would someone else
22:14
Speaker 6: have his password? But it seems as though his mom
22:18
Speaker 6: did or that they did, so they were able to
22:20
Speaker 6: get into the phone. So the timeline of his disappearance
22:24
Speaker 6: is a big question mark because you're getting two different
22:26
Speaker 6: locations from two different apps.
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Speaker 13: So they opened up their Snapchat because a lot of
22:34
Speaker 13: the kids do have their locations where they're tracking one another.
22:39
Speaker 1: So one of the.
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Speaker 13: Boys says, well, it's showing that I think I can't
22:44
Speaker 13: exactly remember what his location was showing, but my Live
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Speaker 13: three sixty location was showing something completely different. It was
22:53
Speaker 13: actually showing that his phone was like he was on land,
22:59
Speaker 13: and so we ended up she received the phone from
23:03
Speaker 13: that parent. So the snapchat location looks completely different than
23:08
Speaker 13: the Life three sixty location. So when I pulled up
23:11
Speaker 13: Life three sixty, it was different. It was showing everywhere
23:14
Speaker 13: the phone had been like it had. I was like, well,
23:16
Speaker 13: it's showing that he's back on land, like I'm not.
23:19
Speaker 13: He was like, but no, he didn't come back with us.
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Speaker 1: N Oh, I've tracked my son one hundred times when
23:27
Speaker 1: he's fishing, and it shows he's in the water. When
23:32
Speaker 1: he's off the water, it shows he's on land. The
23:36
Speaker 1: mom is right, you were just hearing Christine Wansley. That
23:40
Speaker 1: is no one's mother from our friends at National Action
23:44
Speaker 1: Network and GMA. Okay, I got a big problem with
23:50
Speaker 1: the Life three sixty and the phone data all not jiving.
23:56
Speaker 1: I could see it John Mobley being a few blocks off,
24:00
Speaker 1: but not the discrepancy his mother is describing. I'm not
24:05
Speaker 1: buying that. And another thing while we're talking about discrepancies,
24:10
Speaker 1: John Mobley, do you have children.
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Speaker 9: I have children. I got like Thary sixty. I use
24:17
Speaker 9: the iPhone location tracker. I will tell you know, even
24:21
Speaker 9: though I'm not a digital data expert, that LI like
24:24
Speaker 9: three sixty is not always one hundred percent accurate. I mean,
24:27
Speaker 9: I think in general you have to kind of keep
24:29
Speaker 9: in mind with all of these phones that you know,
24:32
Speaker 9: they're dependent upon the signal they're reaching the coverage. I mean,
24:36
Speaker 9: as you know, you can have a group of people together,
24:38
Speaker 9: which means they're going to take up more bandwidth and
24:40
Speaker 9: that's going to call signal interruption. I think be premature
24:44
Speaker 9: for anyone to try to interpret the data without an
24:47
Speaker 9: accurate digital download being conducted.
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Speaker 12: On the phone.
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Speaker 1: Oh okay, I'm sure Life three sixty in the iPhone
24:53
Speaker 1: industry is going to call you on that I'm really
24:56
Speaker 1: surprised at this juncture, Mobley, that you'll actually argue with
25:00
Speaker 1: digital forensic evidence. But okay, who should I believe you
25:05
Speaker 1: or the phone, the lie three sixty and the iPhone tracker.
25:10
Speaker 1: But that said, the reason I asked you, Oh, I'm
25:12
Speaker 1: hearing something and it's you, Mobley. If you have teens,
25:18
Speaker 1: you should know about snapchat. Okay, at the supper table,
25:23
Speaker 1: the two US ago, did you see so? And so
25:24
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I didn't, and they go, oh, here's
25:27
Speaker 1: a snap They hold it up and they go, don't
25:30
Speaker 1: touch it, mother, or it will I don't know. I
25:33
Speaker 1: don't know what it does to it. But a snapchat
25:36
Speaker 1: you get to look at it once and it's gone.
25:39
Speaker 1: See that's a problem forensically and law enforcement wise with
25:43
Speaker 1: snapchat because they're gone. Unlike a text or you send
25:49
Speaker 1: a photo or an email or you send a video
25:52
Speaker 1: as Alex Murdog that nailed his coffin, those stay. Snapchats
25:57
Speaker 1: disappear into the ether. So if the snapchats aren't there,
26:02
Speaker 1: I can understand that. If there are texts deleted, I
26:08
Speaker 1: don't understand that. Okay, let's hear you explain that digital phenomenon.
26:14
Speaker 9: Now I want to be clear. I want to just
26:15
Speaker 9: you know, go back to what you talked about earlier.
26:17
Speaker 9: You talked about the digital evidence. There has not been
26:20
Speaker 9: digital forensic evidence extracted from the cell phone yet. What
26:23
Speaker 9: you have are the young man's parents interpreting what they
26:27
Speaker 9: see on the phone and speculating that something must be missing.
26:31
Speaker 9: That's what you have. But both you know, you need
26:33
Speaker 9: to have a forensic digital data extraction and correct that
26:38
Speaker 9: can determine the text message of recent where they're deleted,
26:41
Speaker 9: if photos are deleted. All that needs to be done.
26:44
Speaker 9: I mean, there's no doubt about that whatsoever. But just
26:47
Speaker 9: individuals kind of looking at the phone trying to interpret
26:49
Speaker 9: these things. That's not digital evidence. That would not be
26:52
Speaker 9: a musical in court, and actually, you know it would
26:54
Speaker 9: not be reliable.
26:56
Speaker 11: We also agreed that we would have a mutual as
27:00
Speaker 11: inspection of the cell phone with our experts and their experts.
27:06
Speaker 11: Attorney Eric Hurtz's helping lead the investigation team with former
27:12
Speaker 11: law enforcement experts who are going to help us with
27:17
Speaker 11: the cell phone download, so everybody will be able to
27:21
Speaker 11: see at the same time what the cell phone has.
27:25
Speaker 1: Guys, that is our friend Ben Crump standing with the family.
27:29
Speaker 1: That's also from our friends at WLOX. You know, Todd
27:34
Speaker 1: Terrell is with us repping the United Cajun Navy, who
27:37
Speaker 1: was called in to participate in the water search for
27:41
Speaker 1: knowing Wells. Todd, I'm curious about a theory that you
27:46
Speaker 1: threw out. Is not your theory, but it is a
27:49
Speaker 1: theory that has been discussed about his body being moved.
27:56
Speaker 11: Well.
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Speaker 5: As far as the body being moved, several things there.
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Speaker 5: Like I said before, our mission is to bring a
28:01
Speaker 5: body home or bring a person back to their family
28:04
Speaker 5: and their loved ones. This is on federal land, so
28:08
Speaker 5: who has jurisdiction? First of all, it seems as though
28:11
Speaker 5: there's federal jurisdiction out there, the fact that they say
28:14
Speaker 5: in the body was moved. We've offered our services. We
28:17
Speaker 5: have some of the best of the best dogs available,
28:20
Speaker 5: mister Darius case in Baton Ruge where the kid was
28:22
Speaker 5: dumping in the landfill, we were the ones instrumental in
28:24
Speaker 5: helping bring that to light where they're searching for them
28:26
Speaker 5: right now because of our dogs. What they found at
28:28
Speaker 5: the gentleman's house that's in jail for murder. We offered
28:30
Speaker 5: our dogs to bring to the boat. There's only one
28:33
Speaker 5: thing that will clean blood off of the boat. I'm
28:36
Speaker 5: not going to mention it because it'll give people ideas,
28:39
Speaker 5: but I doubt if somebody would have done something, they
28:43
Speaker 5: would have used this chemical to remove the blood. So
28:45
Speaker 5: we've offered our services to bring the dogs around the
28:48
Speaker 5: boat of everyone that was potentially involving us. So the
28:52
Speaker 5: federal land thing is a big deal. So the body
28:54
Speaker 5: being dumped, I would say that, let us bring the
28:58
Speaker 5: dog to the boat. Let us bring it. They say
29:00
Speaker 5: the boat was cleaned that night or the night the
29:01
Speaker 5: day before. There's only one thing that's going to clean it.
29:03
Speaker 5: If there's blood in that boat, we'll find it. The
29:06
Speaker 5: other thing is getting back to the phone. If these
29:09
Speaker 5: guys had this phone, they stole his phone, why didn't
29:12
Speaker 5: they throw it away? Why didn't they just throw it
29:13
Speaker 5: in the water. And if there is anything on it,
29:15
Speaker 5: if it was deleted, forensics they should be able to
29:17
Speaker 5: find it. You know, my thing is if you came
29:21
Speaker 5: with these guys and they didn't bring you home, that
29:24
Speaker 5: is not uncommon. So I think there's where the focus
29:27
Speaker 5: needs to be a unless get this notion that there
29:31
Speaker 5: was a body dumped let's bring the dogs to that boat,
29:34
Speaker 5: and we be willing to offer our services to go
29:35
Speaker 5: check that out and b these guys in the boat
29:38
Speaker 5: that he came with. It's okay that they left him
29:41
Speaker 5: on the island. They didn't bring him in, but yees,
29:44
Speaker 5: as far as the body being dumped, our services are offered,
29:47
Speaker 5: and he been offered to go bring the dogs around
29:49
Speaker 5: that boat.
29:53
Speaker 11: Nolan voluntarily said he's going to stay behind, and his
29:58
Speaker 11: parents and friends outright reject that. They said that is
30:02
Speaker 11: not of Nola's character or disposition, and had he done so,
30:07
Speaker 11: would he have ever not wanted his cell phone. The
30:12
Speaker 11: young lady he was talking to who said he told
30:17
Speaker 11: her that he was going to get back into the
30:20
Speaker 11: boat with the boys, and then the boys said that
30:24
Speaker 11: Nolan said he was going to stay.
30:27
Speaker 1: And talk with her.
30:30
Speaker 11: Obviously, the statements conflict with one another.
30:35
Speaker 4: We always talk him to if you go with a group,
30:38
Speaker 4: you stay with the group. Even when he was in college,
30:42
Speaker 4: he was her dad, well, we're going to ride down
30:45
Speaker 4: to a party or something in another city now. So
30:48
Speaker 4: I was telling him, look, if you go with five,
30:51
Speaker 4: you come back a five and do not separate from
30:53
Speaker 4: the group. Because always has safety as in numbers, and
30:58
Speaker 4: he always said yes, sir, So he knew to stay
31:01
Speaker 4: with his group, So why would he split from his group?
31:04
Speaker 4: I don't know.
31:04
Speaker 13: We went in his snapchat he had two accounts, absolutely nothing.
31:08
Speaker 13: It was it wasn't even twenty four hours, which is
31:10
Speaker 13: how long videos and pictures stay in Snapchat.
31:14
Speaker 1: And I was just like, that can't be.
31:15
Speaker 13: Like I've seen Nolan whenever he snaps, like when he
31:19
Speaker 13: goes and he's having fun, like he does videos, like
31:22
Speaker 13: there was absolutely nothing, no say videos, And even my
31:28
Speaker 13: sister is like, yeah, that's that's suspicious.
31:32
Speaker 7: You know.
31:33
Speaker 1: That is Nolan's family. The family lawyer on our with
31:37
Speaker 1: our friends GMA and PBS. Caitlin Becker with US senior
31:41
Speaker 1: national correspondent in New York Post Star of in Why postcast
31:46
Speaker 1: Caitlin a lot right there. Okay, you got crump, and
31:51
Speaker 1: he's saying it is not Nolan's character to have stayed
31:56
Speaker 1: behind to start with, or much less without his faice.
32:01
Speaker 1: He identifies the conflict that we have identified tonight between
32:04
Speaker 1: the two stories. The dad insists he would never have
32:10
Speaker 1: parted with all of his friends, and last but not least,
32:13
Speaker 1: we're hearing not only did snapchats disappear, but that no
32:17
Speaker 1: one was a videographer, a photographer. He always took pictures
32:22
Speaker 1: of the fun times he was having, moments with his friends, games,
32:27
Speaker 1: the whole shebang. But they're all gone. There are not
32:30
Speaker 1: any I also find that disturbing, Caitlin.
32:36
Speaker 6: It's a little odd that there was nothing on the
32:39
Speaker 6: phone seemingly from that day. That does strike me as odd.
32:43
Speaker 6: I do want to push back a little or set
32:46
Speaker 6: the stage a little bit for what this day was like.
32:49
Speaker 6: There were multiple boats going out at the same time
32:53
Speaker 6: to this island. They were filling up with a few teens.
32:55
Speaker 6: They left, the next group kind of got And this
32:57
Speaker 6: is further reporting and for what some of the witnesses said.
33:00
Speaker 6: There was maybe a couple hundred people on that island
33:03
Speaker 6: that day, that a lot of them were young. It
33:06
Speaker 6: was supposed to be some big kind of summer extravaganza
33:10
Speaker 6: before everybody, you know, went back to school. So I
33:14
Speaker 6: don't think it's accurate to say he wouldn't go back
33:19
Speaker 6: with his friends, or he didn't go back with his friends,
33:22
Speaker 6: or he didn't intend to go back with his friends,
33:24
Speaker 6: because I think there were more than just those four
33:27
Speaker 6: friends on one boat that it sounded like the intention
33:31
Speaker 6: was for him to go with another group. Where I
33:33
Speaker 6: get stuck is the point that Ben Crump made. Why
33:38
Speaker 6: would he let his phone go back with his friends? Sure,
33:41
Speaker 6: you want to stay and go back with another group.
33:43
Speaker 6: I get that. You heard you know, the person who
33:47
Speaker 6: was part of the search saying that's not uncommon. It
33:50
Speaker 6: does sound uncommon for anyone, a teenager, an adult, anyone
33:54
Speaker 6: to say, Okay, go ahead and take my phone back
33:57
Speaker 6: with you. I'll stay without a means of communication for
34:01
Speaker 6: however long. That's what gets me. Why would anybody let
34:05
Speaker 6: their phone go on another boat without them with no
34:08
Speaker 6: plan to get.
34:09
Speaker 1: It back exactly Now, regarding Snapchat, they delete immediately once
34:14
Speaker 1: they're opened. They can go about thirty days unopened. But
34:20
Speaker 1: you can manually set Snapchat to a twenty four hour delete.
34:26
Speaker 1: And I'm wondering if that's what his mother is talking about.
34:31
Speaker 1: And on another front, listen, we.
34:34
Speaker 11: Had his body flown from Mississippi to Washington, d C.
34:41
Speaker 11: Because his family wanted to make sure that they had
34:45
Speaker 11: a doctor who had no ties to Mississippi law enforcement
34:50
Speaker 11: to do it independent examination of their son's body. And
34:56
Speaker 11: we are hopeful to get that result in the very
35:01
Speaker 11: near future.
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Speaker 1: There is time Attorney Ben Kroump speaking the parents standing
35:05
Speaker 1: behind him. No one's parents were our friends at Fox ten.
35:08
Speaker 14: Doctor way In, you know, Nancy, you know what I
35:11
Speaker 14: would want to stress is what we see with Christine
35:15
Speaker 14: who is living through what we call ambiguity loss right,
35:19
Speaker 14: and it's one of the most excruciating arms of grief
35:22
Speaker 14: there is.
35:23
Speaker 10: When a mother buries her child with OUTERRS, her nervous
35:26
Speaker 10: system can't even begin to close the wound because as
35:30
Speaker 10: them searching her last memories a hug and a kiss
35:33
Speaker 10: or a salmon dinner and then silence. So grief needs
35:37
Speaker 10: a story to hold on to. And until the family
35:39
Speaker 10: has truth, the grief has nowhere to land. And that's
35:42
Speaker 10: that's why transparency and this investigation isn't just a legal issue.
35:46
Speaker 12: In my mind, it's a meddle health intervention for the
35:48
Speaker 12: answers are how they health heals.
35:52
Speaker 1: Joining us now renowned guest doctor Kendall Crowns, chief Medical
35:57
Speaker 1: Examerterent County. He is the star of a hit podcast,
36:00
Speaker 1: Mayhem in the Morgue. He is the esteemed lecturer at
36:04
Speaker 1: the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU and has performed
36:09
Speaker 1: well over ten thousand autopsies. Doctor Kendl Crowns, thank you
36:15
Speaker 1: for being with us. Okay, I don't have a ruling
36:18
Speaker 1: from the medical examiner. It should be apparent if drowning
36:23
Speaker 1: was the cod because of death, that should be very
36:26
Speaker 1: apparent by simply autopsying the lungs. Also, you'd know immediately
36:34
Speaker 1: if there were signs of trauma. I've seen the photos
36:38
Speaker 1: of his body on the beach, but as Todd Terrell
36:42
Speaker 1: from Unitedcasian Navy stated, the body was faced down, so
36:45
Speaker 1: I couldn't see the face, the neck, the arms, the
36:49
Speaker 1: hands for defensive wounds. I couldn't see if there were
36:52
Speaker 1: bruises to the torso, I couldn't see the skull was fractured,
36:57
Speaker 1: none of that. I couldn't see if teeth were missing.
37:00
Speaker 1: But it seems to me if those exhibited, we would
37:05
Speaker 1: know there had been blunt force trauma, stabbing, shooting, manual
37:10
Speaker 1: or lugaturisphyxiation. We would know that. But yet we know nothing,
37:15
Speaker 1: so to me that would rule out drowning or trauma.
37:24
Speaker 1: Are they waiting on toxicology? Is that what they're waiting on?
37:27
Speaker 1: And why would the body have been sent for an
37:30
Speaker 1: independent autopsy. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that,
37:34
Speaker 1: but what's going on, doctor Kendall Crowns Okay.
37:41
Speaker 15: To start with, he was in the water for several days.
37:45
Speaker 15: I'm sure the water in that area is warm, so
37:48
Speaker 15: his body is going to be decomposing. He'll have skin slippage,
37:53
Speaker 15: he's going to have bloating from the decompositional gases, and
37:56
Speaker 15: then purge fluid coming out of his mouth and other orifice.
38:00
Speaker 15: So then you also probably have a post mortem animal
38:04
Speaker 15: scavenging or marine aquatic life scavenging that can create marks
38:09
Speaker 15: on the body as well. So at autopsy your question,
38:12
Speaker 15: wouldn't you be able to see the evidence of injury? Yes,
38:16
Speaker 15: you should still be able to see injuries, bruises, stab wounds,
38:19
Speaker 15: gunshot wounds, all that, even in decomposition can still be seen,
38:23
Speaker 15: can still be determined. He doesn't sound like he's been
38:27
Speaker 15: consumed by aquatic life to the point that he's skeletonized
38:30
Speaker 15: in the front of his body. So my assumption is
38:33
Speaker 15: you would still be able to see injuries. Now, they
38:37
Speaker 15: have not given a definitive cause and manner of death yet,
38:40
Speaker 15: because to me, that means there's no obvious signs of
38:43
Speaker 15: injuries or no obvious cause of death because drowning, yes,
38:47
Speaker 15: the lungs can swell and be heavy with fluid, but
38:51
Speaker 15: this can also happen with drug overdoses, so differentiating a
38:55
Speaker 15: drowning from a drug overdose is difficult.
38:58
Speaker 1: So you no in oh, yes, well, I don't know
39:03
Speaker 1: how many auto.
39:06
Speaker 15: I've done a.
39:07
Speaker 1: Lot, so absolutely zero. But I don't need to have
39:10
Speaker 1: my MD or be the lecturer at Burnett School of
39:14
Speaker 1: Medicine to know that if the lungs are full and
39:18
Speaker 1: it could be drowning or fluid caused by an overdose,
39:24
Speaker 1: can't you get the fluid and test it?
39:29
Speaker 15: So testing of the fluid from the lungs is there's
39:33
Speaker 15: nothing to test for. What you're going to look for
39:36
Speaker 15: is the pulmer edema or fluid in the lungs. You're
39:39
Speaker 15: going to try and differentiate a drug overdose and from
39:42
Speaker 15: drowning with a toxicologic study, which is what they're doing,
39:45
Speaker 15: and that can take up to six to eight weeks.
39:48
Speaker 15: Drowning is a diagnosis of exclusion because it can mimic
39:52
Speaker 15: so many other things, including a drug overdose. You want
39:56
Speaker 15: to rule those things out before you determine cause and
39:59
Speaker 15: manner of death, and that's probably what they're doing. They're
40:02
Speaker 15: making sure he didn't overdose before they make the decision
40:05
Speaker 15: that he drowned. Now the second autopsy being done, it's
40:10
Speaker 15: just the family obviously has no confidence in the local
40:13
Speaker 15: medical examiner slash corner system, and they've sent it to
40:17
Speaker 15: an independent person to do a second autopsy. Not uncommon,
40:21
Speaker 15: especially in cases they're more high profile or there's some
40:25
Speaker 15: sort of dispute and they send it to an independent
40:28
Speaker 15: person to do a second autopsy to see what they
40:31
Speaker 15: can find. And from my knowledge, the information on that
40:34
Speaker 15: still isn't out yet, so they're also probably trying to
40:37
Speaker 15: find out what the toxologic studies are going to show
40:40
Speaker 15: before they make a decision. So right now we're kind
40:43
Speaker 15: of pending on what drugs he has on board before
40:46
Speaker 15: they make a cause manner of death statement, Doctor.
40:50
Speaker 1: Kentle Crowns, I understand, and I also understand your explanation
40:54
Speaker 1: regarding they potential drowning fluid in the lungs as opposed
41:05
Speaker 1: to or compared to the fluid in the lungs if
41:08
Speaker 1: there had been an overdose. If he's found right there,
41:13
Speaker 1: face down, it looked to me like in the surf,
41:19
Speaker 1: not out in the water floating, but up on the beach.
41:23
Speaker 1: So even if that was the least of it, the
41:27
Speaker 1: water still would have gone into his nose and mouth.
41:32
Speaker 1: If he were alive, he could have inhaled it or
41:35
Speaker 1: ingested it. Even if a drug overdose was the true
41:40
Speaker 1: COD which would require I guess what, doctor Crown's a
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Speaker 1: dual finding of drowning and OD. And I'll just state
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Speaker 1: for the record. Let it be noted in the record
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Speaker 1: that I have never performed an autopsy. But I'm glad
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Speaker 1: you pointed that out. So what about the fluid of
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Speaker 1: the lungs if there had been an OD And by
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Speaker 1: the way, there is no suggestion that drugs were used
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Speaker 1: that day, not whatsoever. But that said, you're saying that
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Speaker 1: there would be no difference in the fluid found in
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Speaker 1: his lungs.
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Speaker 15: So with a drowning, you're going into heart failure at
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Speaker 15: some point from the anoxia created or the lack of
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Speaker 15: oxygen to the brain created by the drowning because there's
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Speaker 15: no air and water, and that causes your body to
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Speaker 15: shut down, which causes fluid to back up and causes
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Speaker 15: PALMERI edema or swelling of the lungs. The same process
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Speaker 15: happens in a drug overdose, but when you're drowning and
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Speaker 15: you're inhaling that water, you get some water in your
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Speaker 15: lungs as well, but you're also swallowing, gulping it, throwing
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Speaker 15: back up, and then swallowing and gulping it again. So
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Speaker 15: you'll have water in your stomach that you can look
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Speaker 15: for in a drowning, not always, and sometimes you'll get
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Speaker 15: water in an area in your sinus cavity called thephenoid
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Speaker 15: sinus as well. But the Palmeri edema created by drowning
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Speaker 15: looks exactly like the Palmeri edema created by a drug overdose,
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Speaker 15: so you can't really differentiate the two of those. And
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Speaker 15: that's why the drug testing is so important. And yes,
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Speaker 15: you are correct. If drugs come back on board, like
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Speaker 15: let's just say fentanyl, it would be part one drowning,
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Speaker 15: part two fentanyl toxicity, and then manner would be accident.
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Speaker 15: So it's going to be a drowning no matter what.
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Speaker 15: But is there going to be a toxicology component added on?
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Speaker 15: And that's probably what they're working on as we speak.
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Speaker 1: In the last hours, this young man with his life
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Speaker 1: before him. Has been late to rest, his parents attending
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Speaker 1: his funeral instead of getting ready for his next big
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Speaker 1: school event, getting ready for fall school. We wait as
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Speaker 1: justice unfolds. If you know or think you know anything
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Speaker 1: regarding Nolan's death, please dial two two eight seven six'
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Speaker 1: nine three zero sixty. Three we Remember American Hero Deputy
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Speaker 1: Shareff Adam, Hetman Creek, County share Of, oklahoma passed away
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Speaker 1: in the line of duty after six, years leaving behind
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Speaker 1: a grieving, Wife, samantha and two little, Girls olivia And.
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Speaker 1: Chloe American Hero Deputy Shriff Adam, Heytman thank you to our,
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Speaker 1: guest but especially to you for being with. Us Nancy
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Speaker 1: gray signing off for, tonight But i'll see tomorrow, night
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Speaker 1: and until, then good night, friend