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Speaker 1: It's the Bok Report. Tonight, ABC staff go on strike
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Speaker 1: and prove they really do treat your ABC like it's
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Speaker 1: their soapbox.
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Speaker 2: It is worth nighting Gemma that our coverage of inflation
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Speaker 2: and finance for the rest of the day will be
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Speaker 2: different from usual because my colleagues and I will be
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Speaker 2: on strike like many of our viewers. A lot of
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Speaker 2: ABC staff as struggling to keep up with the rising
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Speaker 2: cost of living, and we're asking for a pay rise
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Speaker 2: that will help keep our heads above water.
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Speaker 1: They can't help themselves. En After crying poor, dozens of
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Speaker 1: them go to a ritzy pub to drink fifteen dollar beers.
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Speaker 1: Plus they must think voters are idiots. Two years ago
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Speaker 1: Labor sedators save the giant Rio smelter in Queensland. Today
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Speaker 1: Labour says he's saved it all over again with another
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Speaker 1: two billion dollars of your money. And one nation now
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Speaker 1: comes from labor, which is the hide to play the
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Speaker 1: patriotism card. I mean three flags of Labor, the Patriot
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Speaker 1: Party plus the Albaneze government has just said to Iranian
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Speaker 1: visitors stay away, you can't come, not during this war.
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Speaker 1: But first this petrol panic is proof of how much
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Speaker 1: Australians trust the Albaneze government, which is not one bit.
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Speaker 1: That's what this crisis really is about. There's no trust
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Speaker 1: in the government. You see the Energy Minister Chris Bowen
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Speaker 1: tells us we've actually got just as much petrol as
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Speaker 1: before the war, so don't panic.
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Speaker 3: It's clearly at the moment not a supply is sure
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Speaker 3: in Australia.
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Speaker 1: So everything should be sweet, right. Instead, Australians hear that,
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Speaker 1: they hear Bowen and actually rush to fill their cars,
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Speaker 1: their trucks, their jerry cans, leaving five hundred petrol stations
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Speaker 1: out of some kind of fuel.
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Speaker 3: New South Wales or one hundred and eighty seven with
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Speaker 3: no diesel and thirty two without any stock at all.
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Speaker 3: That's down nineteen on yesterday. That's out of equivalent out
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Speaker 3: of a total of twenty four hundred and seventeen service
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Speaker 3: stations in New South Wales. Queensland figures remained fifty five
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Speaker 3: with no diesel and thirty five with no regular unleaded
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Speaker 3: in Victoria one hundred and thirty four with a lack
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Speaker 3: of one or more grades. That's down twenty eight on
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Speaker 3: the last report. South Australia forty nine out of seven
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Speaker 3: hundred Western Australia remains six with a total stockout and
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Speaker 3: four with no diesel. Out of seven hundred and seventy
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Speaker 3: one service stations Tasmania, it remains my advice, one with
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Speaker 3: no diesel and six with no unleaded.
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Speaker 1: Well, look, I have to say Bones actually right for
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Speaker 1: a start, not one fuel tanker has failed to arrive
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Speaker 1: during this war. And what's more, Bones said today that
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Speaker 1: the six tanks that had been canceled, well they've all
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Speaker 1: now been replaced by alternative supplies. And it's not just that.
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Speaker 1: There's also other positive signs for oil supplies. One that
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Speaker 1: spare pipeline I told you about that Saudi Arabia opened
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Speaker 1: up to Yambo on its south side of the peninsula,
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Speaker 1: has made up for half the oil that Saudi Arabia
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Speaker 1: at least had been stopped from explording through the Persian
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Speaker 1: Gulf to the north, which Iran is now blocked, of course.
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Speaker 1: But second, Iran has ease this blockade of tankers in
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Speaker 1: that Persian Gulf, and it's told the International Maritime Organization
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Speaker 1: that it's going to let through tankers from non hostile countries.
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Speaker 1: And this may be the good news that Donald Trump
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Speaker 1: was hyping this morning our time in another hint that
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Speaker 1: he is talking to a possible new leader of Iran.
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Speaker 4: They did something yesterday that was amazing. Actually, they gave
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Speaker 4: us a present and the president arrived today. It was
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Speaker 4: a very big present, worth a tremendous amount of money.
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Speaker 4: And I'm not going to tell you what that present is,
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Speaker 4: but it was a very significant prize and they gave
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Speaker 4: it to us, and they said they were going to
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Speaker 4: give it, So that meant one thing to me. We're
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Speaker 4: deal with the right people. No, it wasn't nuclear related.
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Speaker 4: It was oil and gas related.
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Speaker 1: Now I'm not sure he's talking about, but Pakistan is
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Speaker 1: offering to mediate between the US and Irans. As I
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Speaker 1: said last night, something does seem to be brewing, most
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Speaker 1: likely with the powerful speaker of the Uranian parliament. Now
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Speaker 1: that's by by a background suggesting that you know, the
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Speaker 1: government is right. There's just a bit too much panic
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Speaker 1: for now. So I come back to what I said.
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Speaker 1: This panic is in part cause by a complete lack
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Speaker 1: of trust in this government and especially in climate changing
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Speaker 1: Minister Chris Bowen. If motorists trusted bone, why do they
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Speaker 1: do the opposite of what he says and there's two reasons,
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Speaker 1: of course. I mean, one is that Bone can't be trusted.
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Speaker 1: You know, it is true that right now we do
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Speaker 1: have enough petrol, but we won't if this war does
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Speaker 1: go on much longer. The US is after all moving
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Speaker 1: a marine expeditionary force to the Gulf. Plus paratroopers are
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Speaker 1: all now also now being deployed. It's the famous eighty
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Speaker 1: second airborne parachute assault. So I still, despite what I
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Speaker 1: said earlier, would not be betting this country's fuel supplies
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Speaker 1: on this war ending in a week. And that's why
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Speaker 1: Bone is stuck. Is unable and unwilling to promise that
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Speaker 1: there won't be petrol rationing someday. But it is also
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Speaker 1: unable and unwilling to admit there might be, for fear
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Speaker 1: of making this panic buying even worse. And that's why
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Speaker 1: the government's spent and estimated one hundred and fifty thousand
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Speaker 1: dollars trying to block the release under freedom of information
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Speaker 1: laws of its National Fuel Emergency RESTPT manual, because hello,
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Speaker 1: it suggests that governments tackle fuel shortages by having petrol
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Speaker 1: pumps cut out when motors buy as little as forty dollars,
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Speaker 1: which is something that crisponed today try to hose down.
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Speaker 3: No, we wouldn't do that. That's part of the National
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Speaker 3: Liquid Fuel Emergency plant options. There are preparations in place
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Speaker 3: for the very worst case.
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Speaker 1: Oh the very worst which might happen. But one nation
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Speaker 1: today said why not rationing at least for the cities
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Speaker 1: as long as there wasn't enough fuel for the regions.
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Speaker 5: It is a crisis that we have happening at the moment,
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Speaker 5: and I believe that Crispoon and the Alban labor government
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Speaker 5: have not been upfront, nonced with the people. There's not
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Speaker 5: enough fuel out there, and this has happened more in
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Speaker 5: rural and regional areas. You do can have rationing in
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Speaker 5: the cities by all means, and I think that needs
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Speaker 5: to happen. But in the cities people have public transport,
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Speaker 5: they can catch. Rural regional areas they can't. We've been
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Speaker 5: told the price of milk will be going up. They
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Speaker 5: can't use the machinery. Planting won't happen with the farmers.
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Speaker 1: And the second reason that motorists don't trust Bowen is
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Speaker 1: exactly the same as the first. No, he indeed cannot
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Speaker 1: be trusted. He's told too many whoppers made too many
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Speaker 1: dud promises. We all know that, like I was, green
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Speaker 1: schemes would cut your power bills.
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Speaker 3: Reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars
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Speaker 3: two hundred and seventy five dollars for the average house
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Speaker 3: lower in twenty twenty five than today.
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Speaker 1: And now this guy says, hey, we do have enough
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Speaker 1: petrol now under this panic at the pump. Now that's true.
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Speaker 1: These shortages do actually show modern Australia at it's worse.
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Speaker 1: The selfishness, the greed, the alarmism. You know, the kind
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Speaker 1: of thing that had shoppers during the pandemic strip supermarkets
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Speaker 1: of toilet paper. Now they moved on to petrol. What
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Speaker 1: a crazy panic and what a disaster that just when
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Speaker 1: we need leaders we can trust to calm it all down,
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Speaker 1: we have a Chris Bowen and his boss. Ye've got
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Speaker 1: to ask again, how many billions of dollars of your
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Speaker 1: money is this Albanize government wasting on its green dreams
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Speaker 1: when we don't even have enough petrol today? Another green
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Speaker 1: colm industry minister tenaires to win up to Glanstone to
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Speaker 1: hung workers and tell them hin'd save their jobs, save
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Speaker 1: the rio smelter up there by giving it two billion dollars,
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Speaker 1: half from the Albaniza government, half from the Queensland government.
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Speaker 6: This is a future made in Australia commitment from the
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Speaker 6: Albanesi government that delivers aluminium production here through until twenty forty.
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Speaker 6: That means workers can plan with confidence about their future.
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Speaker 1: Now in exchange, Rea has not just agreed to keep
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Speaker 1: the smelter running until twenty forty, as you just said,
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Speaker 1: but to spent billions on the kind of green schemes
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Speaker 1: so this government loves. The trouble is that Rio made
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Speaker 1: much the same promises just two years ago when we've
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Speaker 1: got a secret bailout from Queensland's then labor government. As
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Speaker 1: then previous Stephen Miles said. Back then, Rio promised them
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Speaker 1: again to move to clearer, cleaner and renewable energy and
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Speaker 1: keep the smelter running until guess what twenty forty. Now
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Speaker 1: the reality is are this two billion dollars, of course,
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Speaker 1: is to save Rio from the costs of the governments
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Speaker 1: that's zero schemes that have driven power prices far too
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Speaker 1: high for almost any smelter to survive, which is why
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Speaker 1: the government has been handing your money. Not just this
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Speaker 1: Rio smelter, the Boin one, but the glen Core one,
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Speaker 1: the Wayala one, a nice star one, the one at
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Speaker 1: Paul Pirie, with the one at Tomago certainly next to
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Speaker 1: be bailed out. Joining me is the political panel Camera
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Speaker 1: Milner Form, which you've staffed the labor leader Bill Shorten
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Speaker 1: now director of g XO Strategies, and Michael Costler former
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Speaker 1: New South Wales Labor Treasurer. Michael as a former labor treasurer.
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Speaker 1: This kind of corporate socialism must get your goat.
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Speaker 7: Well, it absolutely does, because I actually negotiated a number
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Speaker 7: of these deals with the Tomogo smelter up here when
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Speaker 7: I was in government. But look, this is not corporate socialism.
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Speaker 7: This is corporate INDs. That's what we're looking at here.
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Speaker 7: And be clear, Andrew, when you look at that particular
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Speaker 7: deal there, we are subsidizing every one of those jobs
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Speaker 7: to the tune of two hundred thousand dollars a year
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Speaker 7: for the period of the deal. I mean, it is absurd,
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Speaker 7: and you know you've got to ask the question why
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Speaker 7: are they so concerned? Yes, partly it's about Gladstone, but
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Speaker 7: let's remind everybody that this is a highly unionized plant,
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Speaker 7: the aw Cameron's old boss probably negotiated a really good
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Speaker 7: deal up there for the workers. But even tim Ayre's
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Speaker 7: union he was a former a MWU official, and the
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Speaker 7: UTU up there, so there's you just got to wonder
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Speaker 7: what was going on the pressure behind the scenes in
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Speaker 7: terms of this deal. But let's get to the fundamental point.
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Speaker 7: The worst part about this is not the subsidies. It's
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Speaker 7: the green washing. Andrew it's absurd. You cannot produce at
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Speaker 7: uminium under current technology without having CO two as a
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Speaker 7: byproduct of it.
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Speaker 1: And you know, for every.
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Speaker 7: Ton of our eminium you produce, you produce about one
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Speaker 7: point five to one point six tons of CO two.
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Speaker 7: And you know, for these guys to try and sell
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Speaker 7: this as part of the renewable framework is just dot con.
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Speaker 7: And of course that energy, the renewable energy, that's full
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Speaker 7: of carbon as well, so it's a con. It's a disgrace,
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Speaker 7: but I understand why they did it. There's a lot
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Speaker 7: of jobs in the area, particularly union jobs.
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Speaker 1: Well, Kevin von Milner, I'm now looking to you to
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Speaker 1: provide balance by defending this deal. Maybe you could say,
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Speaker 1: I know it's a critical industry that we've got to
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Speaker 1: prop up. I don't know, what do you reckon?
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Speaker 8: Well, I think in each of these cases, these are
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Speaker 8: huge workforces, into Michael's point, heavily unionized as well. But
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Speaker 8: they're actually part about our sovereign capacity. I mean, look
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Speaker 8: what's happened with our refineries. Part of the reason why
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Speaker 8: we've got the huge petrol and diesel problem Austraias. We
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Speaker 8: don't have enough refiners left. We actually need to make
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Speaker 8: sure we keep our smelting capacity here in Australia as
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Speaker 8: well as a sovereign capacity. And yes, that's going to
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Speaker 8: cost some money sometimes, but I am pretty shocked about
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Speaker 8: this of double dipping. You see, to have exposed to
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Speaker 8: here Andrew double dipping by Rio Tinto having been paid
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Speaker 8: twice for the same deal. That's got to raise some questions, surely,
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Speaker 8: and they have to get some answers on that one.
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Speaker 1: But it's energy. I actually have to give Aiden Morrison
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Speaker 1: and the Center for Independent Studies some credit for exposing that.
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Speaker 1: He's the one that tip me off. But you were
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Speaker 1: about to say something there, Michael.
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Speaker 7: Look, if you're serious about maintaining the capacity of these
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Speaker 7: critical industries, it's the energy cost. I mean, essentially, aluminium
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Speaker 7: is essentially electricity. That's what it is. It's forty percent
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Speaker 7: electricity require the processing. They've increased all the prices of it.
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Speaker 7: You know, in the past, when we did those deals,
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Speaker 7: and I did the one for tom Ago, we had
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Speaker 7: supplies of baseload power and it was easy to do
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Speaker 7: a deal where they got their baseload our surplus baseload
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Speaker 7: and we had an interruption clause if something went wrong
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Speaker 7: in the system. But that's all gone now, Andrew. You know,
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Speaker 7: the fundamental problem here is renewable energy, which is destroying
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Speaker 7: these industries.
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Speaker 1: Isn't it crazy? The government goes off in a frolic
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Speaker 1: and then pays companies for the damage that the government
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Speaker 1: itself has done, while the rest of us pay higher
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Speaker 1: prices electricity prices without any compensation. I mean, the other
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Speaker 1: thing is just so nuts. Camera in the fuel shortages
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Speaker 1: the government's fault or is it the publicx for panicking?
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Speaker 8: Well, I think these early days have probably been a
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Speaker 8: bit of public panicking. I mean, you've seen these shots
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Speaker 8: of seat people filling up these massive containers of fuel
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Speaker 8: far more than probably what they need. But what really
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Speaker 8: worries me is what's going to happen in mid April
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Speaker 8: to late April. That's when I think the real crunch comes, Andrew.
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Speaker 8: And the fact is that we had, you know, thirty
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Speaker 8: eight days of supply, and Japan, another island nation, another
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Speaker 8: advanced economy, has two hundred and forty days of reserve supply.
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Speaker 8: That tells you how prepared they were compared to how
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Speaker 8: underprepared Australia is for any of these sorts of energy
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Speaker 8: shocks going forward.
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Speaker 1: And as I said, you know, I.
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Speaker 8: Don't think we can trust the Middle East any longer
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Speaker 8: to be a safe partner for US and our fuel security.
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Speaker 8: We need to to do more oil and gas in
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Speaker 8: our own country and look after our own fuel supplies
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Speaker 8: rather than relying on a bunch of islam As states
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Speaker 8: in the Gulf.
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Speaker 1: There's something to be said there. But I'd also say
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Speaker 1: I don't know that I trust the Asian suppliers of
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Speaker 1: our petrol. The refiner is there when China could cut
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Speaker 1: off the sea lanes in any war with Taiwan, just
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Speaker 1: like that. Overnight, the Albanies in government, by the way,
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Speaker 1: Michael has just announced it will ban Iranian visitors from
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Speaker 1: coming here for about six months at least because they
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Speaker 1: will be at high risks of claiming asylum once here.
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Speaker 1: Is that fair enough?
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Speaker 7: I'm sort of I don't think it's fair at all. Andrea,
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Speaker 7: Let's be clear what sort of Iranian visitors are likely
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Speaker 7: to come here. They're likely to people that are opposed
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Speaker 7: to that theocratic regime that's killing people. You know, we
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Speaker 7: take people from Gaza, and a lot of those Iranians,
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Speaker 7: by the way, would probably be Christian because Christianities are
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Speaker 7: fastest growing religion in Iran. And you know, I just
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Speaker 7: think this is a dumb, dumb move. These people may
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Speaker 7: be genuine asylum, so because and I don't have a
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Speaker 7: problem with genuine asylum because they probably have our values too,
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Speaker 7: that's what they're trying to escape. So I just I'm
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Speaker 7: a bit worried about this decision. I think it is wrong.
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Speaker 1: It's a bit weird, isn't a camera? And I mean,
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Speaker 1: this is a government that the other day offered you know, refugee,
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Speaker 1: well at least asylum at the moment to Iranian soccer players.
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Speaker 1: I know that five of the soccer players went back
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Speaker 1: after heavy pressure from Iran, but I don't know. I
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Speaker 1: tend to agree with Michael there. What do you think?
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Speaker 8: Oh, look, I think this is Burke's double standard. I mean,
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Speaker 8: if it's a smiling selfie can do They're apparently allowed
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Speaker 8: to come in if they're guards who are going to
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Speaker 8: vote in Watson, welcome them in. If they're actually genuine
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Speaker 8: potential asylum seekers, and for goodness sake, amazing Christian asylum seekers,
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Speaker 8: goodness that is, let's shut the borders under Burke. No,
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Speaker 8: it's an appalling double standard. And I can't believe this
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Speaker 8: Labor government can do this with a straight face.
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what if it wasn't for one nation
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Speaker 1: and it was the Liberals doing it, the Labor Party
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Speaker 1: of all over them for being cruel and heartless and
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Speaker 1: this and that, Michael, and racist. Don't forget racist, Michael.
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Speaker 1: The latest scone News poll today doesn't just spell death
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Speaker 1: for the federal Liberals, but obviously trouble for the Labor government.
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Speaker 1: It shows One Nation support rising again to twenty seven
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Speaker 1: percent nationally, now only two points behind the Labor Party
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Speaker 1: that actually holds government and has massive more resources. The Coalition,
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Speaker 1: by the way, is in the death zone nineteen percent.
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Speaker 1: And even more interesting, after preferences, One Nation is in
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Speaker 1: touching distance of government. They well at least, theoretically speaking,
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Speaker 1: closer than the Liberals at least forty seven percent of
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Speaker 1: Labours fifty three. What does this tell you.
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Speaker 7: Well, it tells me both major parties are on the nose,
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Speaker 7: There's no doubt about that, and they should be on
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Speaker 7: the nose given the sort of way the country's been
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Speaker 7: run for the last fifteen years under both governments of
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Speaker 7: but android a grain assault with these polls. We saw
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Speaker 7: what happened in South Australia. The Labor Parties vote actually
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Speaker 7: went down. It looks like it's primary vote and they
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Speaker 7: got additional seats. Why was that what I've been harping
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Speaker 7: on about. And that's the preference flows. You know, you
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Speaker 7: can't just do a rough preference calculation and say that
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Speaker 7: one nation is about to knock off the Labor Party.
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Speaker 7: I see the Labor Party probably losing its primary vote
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Speaker 7: going down, but getting more seats, and you know, the
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Speaker 7: Liberals are nuts. I mean, why would you do a
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Speaker 7: preference deal with one nation without reciprocation. I cannot understand them.
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Speaker 7: They're fools. You know, my nation is going to be
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Speaker 7: the DALP for the Liberal Party. It's basically just going
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Speaker 7: to keep them out of government. Without achieving anything.
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Speaker 1: Look at two things a camera and one is that
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Speaker 1: you know, Anthony Albinezi is no Peter Malinawski. He doesn't
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Speaker 1: have that sort of statue with the public. And the
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Speaker 1: second is this is a result that two party preferred
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Speaker 1: one after distribution of what the people pos said were
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Speaker 1: their preferences. That makes a slight difference, I think if
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Speaker 1: it holds up an election, of course, well that's true.
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Speaker 8: But let's look at the South Australian election result. I mean,
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Speaker 8: twenty six of the thirty three seats Labor are going
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Speaker 8: to win at this day election. A contest now between
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Speaker 8: Labor and One Nation, not Labor and liberally any longer
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Speaker 8: Labor and one Nation.
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Speaker 1: One Nation is the alternative candet.
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Speaker 8: And to your point, Michael, yes, Labor is still winning
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Speaker 8: these seats, but the voters are actually voting with their
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Speaker 8: feet and saying no No. Our opponent to Labor is
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Speaker 8: One Nation in twenty six of the thirty three seats
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Speaker 8: in South Australia. So forget the polls, look at the results,
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Speaker 8: and the results are that One Nation is now becoming
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Speaker 8: the alternative party to Labor.
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Speaker 7: But the seats they won Andrew well preference world, the
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Speaker 7: seats are going to win with liberal polls.
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Speaker 1: Yes, that's probably right, but there could be others as well.
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Speaker 1: But I think you're right, Camra Milan Michael Costsa. Thank
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Speaker 1: you very much to you both. After the break the
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Speaker 1: ABC hijacks your ABC the staff do. They hijacked your
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Speaker 1: ABC to demand more of your money and then they
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Speaker 1: go to the pub. The ABC staff went on strike
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Speaker 1: today for the first time in twenty years, and that
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Speaker 1: prove exactly why the ABC should be sold. The ABC
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Speaker 1: is supposed to be impowerful, right because it's owned by
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Speaker 1: all taxpayers, but it's journalists treated as their own left
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Speaker 1: wing collective, you know, talking to their own little friends,
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Speaker 1: their own political soapbox, and some prove that all over
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Speaker 1: again by even using your ABC to now demand that
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Speaker 1: you pay them more of your money.
20:36
Speaker 9: Will be off air because my colleagues and I will
20:39
Speaker 9: be on strike. We're asking ABC management to deliver secure,
20:42
Speaker 9: safe and sustainable jobs so we can deliver the news
20:46
Speaker 9: and content you deserve. But their fallen shot of offering
20:50
Speaker 9: fair pay and conditions.
20:51
Speaker 2: Like many of our viewers, a lot of ABC staff
20:54
Speaker 2: as struggling to keep up with the rising cost of
20:56
Speaker 2: living and we're asking for a pay rise that will
20:59
Speaker 2: help care keep our heads above water. We're also asking
21:03
Speaker 2: ABC management to deliver secure, safe and sustainable jobs so
21:08
Speaker 2: we can keep delivering the news and content our audience deserve.
21:11
Speaker 10: We're asking ABC management to deliver secure, safe and sustainable
21:16
Speaker 10: jobs so we can deliver the news and content that
21:19
Speaker 10: you deserve.
21:19
Speaker 1: We're asking ABC management to deliver secure, safe and sustainable
21:24
Speaker 1: jobs so we can deliver the news and content you deserve.
21:29
Speaker 1: What are sustainable jobs like green jobs? What do they
21:32
Speaker 1: mean sustainable jobs? We're seriously but all these noble taxpayer
21:35
Speaker 1: funded journalists say an offer of ten percent pay rows
21:38
Speaker 1: over three years plus a one thousand dollars bonus. You
21:42
Speaker 1: know that's not enough, not sustainable, I guess. So they
21:45
Speaker 1: walked out for twenty four hours. And it's so tragic
21:57
Speaker 1: how poor these as staff are. It makes you wonder
22:01
Speaker 1: why they don't apply for job somewhere else.
22:04
Speaker 11: There's people on my team who live in Woollongong because
22:07
Speaker 11: they can't afford to live in Sydney, or who live
22:09
Speaker 11: in Newcastle because they can't afford to live in Sydney.
22:12
Speaker 11: There's people on my team who've been on the same
22:15
Speaker 11: pay level for five years for eight years, and have
22:19
Speaker 11: been told they won't get a promotion this time around.
22:24
Speaker 1: So imagine my surprise to see these poverty stricken journalists
22:29
Speaker 1: later sinking beers during the day at a pub where
22:31
Speaker 1: a pint costs you fifteen dollars. And look at the
22:34
Speaker 1: slogans and the shirts. I don't think they're a good
22:36
Speaker 1: advertisement for a job in journalist America. And the best
22:38
Speaker 1: journals have actually done by individualists, not collectivists, who go
22:42
Speaker 1: with the crowd, with the vibe. But that's the ABC
22:44
Speaker 1: for you. Joining me is the Oppositions communications spokesman former
22:47
Speaker 1: ABC staffer Sarah Henderson, Sarah, great to see it. It's
22:51
Speaker 1: a strange time, though, isn't it for ABC staff to
22:54
Speaker 1: go and strike, well.
22:58
Speaker 12: Andrew, it is. It's extremely pointing. They have taken this
23:01
Speaker 12: decision at a time when many communities are in flood crisis.
23:05
Speaker 12: We've got the fuel crisis gripping this nation, and of
23:08
Speaker 12: course the war in Iran. So the decision to walk
23:13
Speaker 12: out today, as you say, we haven't seen this sort
23:16
Speaker 12: of action for some twenty years, is very disappointing. There
23:21
Speaker 12: is a fair and reasonable offer on the table I'm
23:24
Speaker 12: not going to get caught up in the weeds of
23:25
Speaker 12: the negotiations, of course, but I am very disappointed that,
23:29
Speaker 12: unlike SBS journalists when they've just concluded a deal nine
23:33
Speaker 12: percent over three years plus a fifteen hundred dollars upfront bonus,
23:38
Speaker 12: we haven't seen the same willingness from ABC staff to
23:42
Speaker 12: conclude that deal without of course putting the audiences of
23:46
Speaker 12: the ABC at risk. And after all, we can't forget Andrew.
23:50
Speaker 12: This is a taxpayer funded organization. It is here to
23:54
Speaker 12: serve the Australian people. It receives more than one point
23:57
Speaker 12: two billion dollars every single year, and I think Australians
24:02
Speaker 12: deserve better than this.
24:06
Speaker 1: Well, all these people that can't watch the ABC seven
24:09
Speaker 1: thirty tonight can be watching this show and getting a
24:12
Speaker 1: far better service that they haven't had to pay for
24:15
Speaker 1: for that with their taxes for a start. Now, the
24:17
Speaker 1: hijacking by the ABC staff of the ABC's microphones which
24:21
Speaker 1: we paid for and the ABC's cameras which we paid for,
24:25
Speaker 1: to treat this their private megaphones for their cause. Now,
24:28
Speaker 1: I know I've said this for years that it's been
24:31
Speaker 1: treated like a private messaging message board for ABC leftists
24:35
Speaker 1: to talk to a leftist audience. But this can't be right, well, Andrew.
24:42
Speaker 12: To be fair, I am a strong supporter of the ABC.
24:45
Speaker 12: It does do some very good journalism. But today was
24:48
Speaker 12: not a good day for the ABC. When you've got
24:51
Speaker 12: ABC presenters hijacking news programs, pushing their case suggesting that
24:57
Speaker 12: ABC management are not delivering a fair and transparent deal,
25:01
Speaker 12: suggesting that programs are at risk. That's not just irresponsible
25:06
Speaker 12: and reckless, it is also in breach of editorial policies
25:09
Speaker 12: which require ABC reporters to report the news impartially and accurately.
25:16
Speaker 12: So how can they go on these news programs all
25:19
Speaker 12: reading from the same union script in breach of their obligations.
25:25
Speaker 12: That's a really dark day for the ABC. I know
25:28
Speaker 12: ABC management are very unhappy about this, and I do
25:32
Speaker 12: hope there are very serious consequences for this quite significant
25:36
Speaker 12: breach of the ABC's policies, and of course this is
25:39
Speaker 12: also embedded in statute in the ABC Act. But Andrew,
25:43
Speaker 12: where is the Minister for Communications? When we see the
25:47
Speaker 12: ABC Act breach like it has been today, the Minister's
25:51
Speaker 12: silence is deafening. We continually see this government failing to
25:56
Speaker 12: stand up for the appropriate standards that Australians expect of
26:01
Speaker 12: their ABC, as I've made the point, funded by the taxpayer.
26:06
Speaker 12: So really a very disappointing from disappointing performance from Anika Wells,
26:12
Speaker 12: the Communications Minister.
26:15
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe she's flown with a family to
26:18
Speaker 1: some ski resort and the taxpayer dime. Again, I don't know,
26:21
Speaker 1: she might have other things on her mind. But I'm
26:25
Speaker 1: not sure why you should be surprised by what's happening
26:28
Speaker 1: because to me, this is exactly of a piece with
26:31
Speaker 1: the ABC's mode of behavior where it has treated the
26:36
Speaker 1: ABC's it's private sort of messaging service to the left
26:41
Speaker 1: or the left by the left. You know, you can
26:44
Speaker 1: pick the ABC's the ABC staff's personal politics from the
26:49
Speaker 1: fact that they speak with one voice on climate change,
26:52
Speaker 1: on one nation, on you know that evil Donald Trump,
26:57
Speaker 1: just about anything you and I know what what line
27:01
Speaker 1: is the line of the ABC staff. So why would
27:05
Speaker 1: you be surprised and isn't it time, despite your strong
27:09
Speaker 1: support for the ABC, to make the audience pay for
27:12
Speaker 1: the service, like our audience as pay for this one.
27:19
Speaker 12: Well, Andrew, I first want to make the point that
27:20
Speaker 12: some ABC journalists did not go on strike today, including
27:24
Speaker 12: here in Canberra. So they saw their responsibility was to
27:28
Speaker 12: continue to report the news, particularly this very difficult time
27:33
Speaker 12: for the nation. The second point I'd make is that
27:36
Speaker 12: I have continually prosecuted the case for there to be
27:40
Speaker 12: an inquiry into the ABC into its failure to comply
27:44
Speaker 12: with it with its impartiality obligations. I tried to get
27:49
Speaker 12: a Senate inquiry through the Senate last year. I then
27:52
Speaker 12: caught on the Minister to investigate the ABC's failure to
27:55
Speaker 12: comply with its statutory obligations. Again we heard nothing but
27:59
Speaker 12: so violence from Anika Wells. I don't agree with you
28:03
Speaker 12: in relation to turning the ABC into a subscription service.
28:08
Speaker 12: I'm a strong supporter of publicly funded broadcasting the SBS
28:12
Speaker 12: and ABC, but in exchange for that very significant investment
28:17
Speaker 12: by taxpayers, we have to see the very best from
28:22
Speaker 12: ABC in all respects, and I think it has continued.
28:26
Speaker 12: Some journalists have continued to fail. I have to say
28:29
Speaker 12: I don't think the ABC management has been good enough
28:33
Speaker 12: in many respects in holding their journalists to account. But
28:37
Speaker 12: today's performance when reporters were on air reading their union script,
28:42
Speaker 12: prosecuting their case, crying out poor me, when so many
28:46
Speaker 12: Australians are wondering whether they will even keep their job
28:50
Speaker 12: at this very perilous time for our nation. I know
28:53
Speaker 12: ABC management are very very unhappy with that, and that,
28:57
Speaker 12: as I say, there needs to be serious consequences as
29:00
Speaker 12: a result of the actions we've seen today.
29:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we're you and I differ is that
29:06
Speaker 1: you still seem to think that the ABC can be reformed.
29:09
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, the Liberals have been yelling at
29:11
Speaker 1: it since the great days of Richard Alston, and I
29:14
Speaker 1: think you're a worthy successor. But still they have never
29:18
Speaker 1: shown any sign of even admitting to a bias, let
29:21
Speaker 1: alone addressing it. And I think that will live on
29:23
Speaker 1: till Kingdom Come, until we sell it. But Sarah Henderson,
29:26
Speaker 1: I really appreciate you coming on. Thank you so much
29:29
Speaker 1: for your time after the break. This petrol panic is
29:34
Speaker 1: hitting farmer's hardest and just when they're trying to sew
29:37
Speaker 1: the winter crop. Should petrol in the cities then be
29:41
Speaker 1: rationed to save them? I doubt many people are getting
29:49
Speaker 1: hit harder by this fuel panic than our farmers, and
29:53
Speaker 1: I think we will pay for that. It's the rural
29:56
Speaker 1: country servos that are most likely to run out of fuel.
29:59
Speaker 1: It's the far he needs more fuel living in the
30:03
Speaker 1: country and working the land with tractors and so on,
30:06
Speaker 1: and fertilizer as well, that's important. Also price rises their shortages.
30:11
Speaker 1: Joining me is Make Gouran is the CEO of the
30:13
Speaker 1: National Farmers Federation. Make thank you so much for your time.
30:17
Speaker 1: See what struck me? This is bad timing? Is it?
30:20
Speaker 1: Because March and April is when wheat farmers for instance,
30:24
Speaker 1: so they're winter crop. So how is all this affecting farmers,
30:28
Speaker 1: particularly those farmers in how many ways?
30:33
Speaker 13: It's an incredibly bad timing if there's ever any good timing,
30:37
Speaker 13: Andrew for what we see in front of us in
30:39
Speaker 13: terms of fuel availability and pricing comes on the back
30:43
Speaker 13: of all the things we know. It's happening around the world,
30:46
Speaker 13: comes on the back of an EU free trade agreement
30:49
Speaker 13: which is not good for industry, but the practicalations are dire.
30:54
Speaker 13: We in Australia have taken food security for granted for
30:57
Speaker 13: generations and that food security is an important foundation to
31:02
Speaker 13: prosper and free democracy in which we live. So really
31:06
Speaker 13: challenging times. What's happening now where we're harvest in some
31:10
Speaker 13: crops we're looking to plant others. We also have diesel
31:14
Speaker 13: and energy needs across livestock and other industries in agriculture.
31:18
Speaker 13: In some cases we're struggling to get it and in
31:21
Speaker 13: other cases or in all cases, the cost of it
31:23
Speaker 13: has gone up to the point where for the average
31:26
Speaker 13: family farmer you would debate whether you're better off economically
31:30
Speaker 13: and able to still pay your mortgagory payments, for example,
31:33
Speaker 13: by leaving the ground fellow and not planting a crop.
31:35
Speaker 13: So we could be facing a winter planting season where
31:38
Speaker 13: the planting is down significantly. We could be facing challenges
31:43
Speaker 13: around animal welfare where energy and dealesel is important for
31:46
Speaker 13: looking after livestock you know in chicken sheds for example.
31:50
Speaker 13: It's a very very difficult time right now, not of
31:53
Speaker 13: our making, but a very difficult time when we as
31:57
Speaker 13: an industry need to and are working very closely with government.
32:00
Speaker 13: We're seeking all of the Australian community to help us
32:03
Speaker 13: as they can, because that food security is what the
32:07
Speaker 13: industry provides. We have a food and fiberans from in
32:10
Speaker 13: Australia we can all be proud of, and right now
32:12
Speaker 13: it has some real challenges in front of it not,
32:15
Speaker 13: the least of which is the availability and cost of fuel.
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Speaker 1: Well, look, I don't know when the last time was
32:23
Speaker 1: that you said on a tractor, but if you were, say,
32:26
Speaker 1: plowing all day or seeding all day, how much would
32:29
Speaker 1: it filled with diesel? Now? What fifty percent more than
32:33
Speaker 1: it used to be? More than three dollars now a leader,
32:36
Speaker 1: How much would it cost in a day's worth of
32:39
Speaker 1: work on a tractor. It's thousands of dollars.
32:45
Speaker 13: But probably more important in the economics of it, Andrew,
32:49
Speaker 13: is that on the cost at the moment, and also
32:52
Speaker 13: the cost of fertilize it, which is a significant input.
32:55
Speaker 13: If you can get hold of it again, then you
32:57
Speaker 13: are really likely to lose money by planting crops and
33:01
Speaker 13: growing food. And if you, for example, a young couple
33:05
Speaker 13: on a farm with a significant debt in your earlier years,
33:08
Speaker 13: and you have those mortgage repayments, and you're faced with
33:11
Speaker 13: the choice of planting a crop where you're likely to
33:14
Speaker 13: lose money, or leaving the tract and the shed and
33:18
Speaker 13: losing less money, then it's a very very difficult decision
33:21
Speaker 13: to make. The per hour rate or the per day
33:25
Speaker 13: rate of cost of diesel depends obviously on the size
33:27
Speaker 13: of the equipment, on what the equipment's doing.
33:29
Speaker 1: So that's very variable.
33:31
Speaker 13: But the cost in terms of the cost of producing
33:34
Speaker 13: product and what you get for it is it a
33:36
Speaker 13: point where it's very difficult to see producers.
33:39
Speaker 1: Making any money.
33:40
Speaker 13: Indeed, it's very easy to see a lot going backwards
33:42
Speaker 13: with some of the forecast we're seeing. That's if you
33:44
Speaker 13: can get hold of that fuel and fertilizer. And for example,
33:48
Speaker 13: with fertilizer, you put fertilize in when you plant a crop,
33:51
Speaker 13: you often put fertilizer across it to.
33:54
Speaker 1: Boost the crop on the way through.
33:55
Speaker 13: Without that second lot of fertilizer, your yields are way down.
33:59
Speaker 13: So what could have been a profitable crop becomes at
34:02
Speaker 13: best break even. You're facing all of those challenges and
34:06
Speaker 13: you need to make a decision the short term because
34:09
Speaker 13: to your earlier point, we're right in that window where
34:11
Speaker 13: we're harvesting and looking to plant.
34:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think many people in the city realize
34:18
Speaker 1: that so much of our farmland, the cropping part of it,
34:23
Speaker 1: is on poor soils. Not so much yourself. You know,
34:26
Speaker 1: some of the new southwest Victoria down the coastline, that's okay,
34:30
Speaker 1: but where I used to where I grew up, it's
34:32
Speaker 1: poor soil. You need your super well you know how
34:34
Speaker 1: much of a crop at all. So this is a
34:37
Speaker 1: real problem and we will feel it in the cities
34:41
Speaker 1: at the supermarket in months to come. Now, Pauline Hansen
34:44
Speaker 1: today said there should be rationing of fuel for the
34:47
Speaker 1: cities until there is enough for the regions because of
34:51
Speaker 1: the importance of fuel to the regions. To you back that.
34:57
Speaker 13: Look, we're part of a broader Australian community where we
35:00
Speaker 13: believe we contribute a lot. If you look at the
35:03
Speaker 13: Australian supermarkets, three hundred and sixty five days of every
35:08
Speaker 13: year for the last few generations, we have had fresh,
35:11
Speaker 13: locally grown, reasonably priced food on the shelves. That's because
35:15
Speaker 13: you have an industry that you can be proud of
35:18
Speaker 13: as an Australian. And right now we're in a position
35:21
Speaker 13: where any help would be really, really appreciated, and I
35:25
Speaker 13: think it's a time to work with the broader community
35:27
Speaker 13: and understand what we can all do in this moment.
35:30
Speaker 1: Certainly, if there's.
35:31
Speaker 13: Less fuel used in the cities, there's more fuel to
35:34
Speaker 13: send out to the regions. We need, for example, banks
35:38
Speaker 13: to support trucking companies.
35:40
Speaker 1: That are bringing fuel out.
35:41
Speaker 13: We need the major fuel companies to support the independence
35:44
Speaker 13: and allow the supply chain to work. We need local
35:48
Speaker 13: communities to think about where they can save a little
35:51
Speaker 13: bit of fuel, driving a little less, not using the lawnmarwer.
35:55
Speaker 13: There are all sorts of little things we can do,
35:57
Speaker 13: and they might send minor in a household, but you
35:59
Speaker 13: added up across Australia and it means something. We're not
36:03
Speaker 13: in a position where we believe compulsory rationing is necessarily
36:07
Speaker 13: right now the answer, but it is a chance for
36:09
Speaker 13: the broader Australian community to back an industry that, as
36:12
Speaker 13: I said, they can all be proud of. And if
36:14
Speaker 13: you travel around the world, Andrew, there are very few
36:17
Speaker 13: places in the world that have that rich, healthy, locally grown,
36:22
Speaker 13: well priced food in the way Australia does. In a
36:25
Speaker 13: lot of countries, the supermarket shells are full of a
36:27
Speaker 13: lot more processed food, a lot more imported food. We
36:31
Speaker 13: are one of the very few countries that grows more
36:33
Speaker 13: than we need, so it can make some money from
36:35
Speaker 13: exporting some of it, which underpins regional communities. But we
36:39
Speaker 13: can also, as I've said earlier on we can ensure
36:42
Speaker 13: those supermarket shells are full of locally grown, healthy produced
36:46
Speaker 13: three hundred and sixty five days of the year. So
36:49
Speaker 13: anything the Australian community can do, anything individual families can do,
36:53
Speaker 13: it will make a difference and it will be enormously
36:55
Speaker 13: appreciated by industry. Over the next few weeks, we'll see
36:59
Speaker 13: how this play out. It's very difficult because it's moving.
37:02
Speaker 13: Every day we hear today there's a few more ships
37:05
Speaker 13: on the water. We might hear tomorrow there is less.
37:09
Speaker 13: The price keeps moving in a fast way as I
37:11
Speaker 13: see fertilized. If you can get hold of it, there's
37:14
Speaker 13: changing cost all of the time. So it's a very
37:16
Speaker 13: difficult and dynamic position we find ourselves in. But all
37:20
Speaker 13: the help we can get would be enormously appreciated.
37:23
Speaker 1: Right now, Yeah, well, I just wish were as much faith,
37:29
Speaker 1: that the community spirit was still there to make a
37:32
Speaker 1: small sacrifice per household. But I don't know. Maybe a
37:35
Speaker 1: big stick does need to be wielded. Anyway, Mike, we're
37:40
Speaker 1: in a thank you so much for your time and
37:42
Speaker 1: good luck to your members. Difficult time for them. And
37:45
Speaker 1: by the way, Chris Hillman presents a special program in
37:48
Speaker 1: Australia's fuel crisis. It'll be this Sunday at seven thirty
37:51
Speaker 1: pm Australian Eastern and knowing Chris, it'll be a cracker,
37:55
Speaker 1: so don't miss that. After the break the panel. Well,
38:03
Speaker 1: it's something very interesting has just come through that confirm
38:07
Speaker 1: would I've been suggesting since last night that something does
38:11
Speaker 1: seem to be shifting in Iran because the giant shipping
38:17
Speaker 1: company Costco a Chinese one. How China, of course has
38:20
Speaker 1: been very friendly with Iran. They've helped supply it with
38:24
Speaker 1: stuff for its missile programs. Even so, it has now
38:28
Speaker 1: said we are resuming general cargo, didn't say tank it.
38:31
Speaker 1: General cargo deliveries to the countries and the Persian Gulf
38:36
Speaker 1: run up to q Wait, which is of course well
38:38
Speaker 1: pass the Straitor for muz So two things about that
38:42
Speaker 1: they're talking to someone in Iran who said we'll let
38:45
Speaker 1: you through. And the other thing is that the straits
38:48
Speaker 1: probably aren't mind if China thinks that ships can sail
38:52
Speaker 1: up there without being blown up. Very interesting watch this
38:55
Speaker 1: space but here, I mean really it's pathetic. I mean,
38:59
Speaker 1: this tree we got all under our feet, but it's
39:03
Speaker 1: mostly shale oil. Then there's the oil out in the oceans.
39:09
Speaker 1: But the shale oil, we can't use it.
39:11
Speaker 14: You know, the environment and all that, you know, And
39:13
Speaker 14: even if we did drill for it, we can't refine
39:15
Speaker 14: it because just four percent of our petrol is from
39:19
Speaker 14: Australian refineries refining Australian oil.
39:21
Speaker 1: Can you believe it? So here we are with all
39:23
Speaker 1: this oil and gas and coal and uranium, and we're still,
39:28
Speaker 1: you know, looking over the horizon out at sea, anxious, anxious?
39:32
Speaker 1: Is there going to be a ship, a tanker from
39:34
Speaker 1: Asia come to save us? Anything that's pathetic? Join me
39:39
Speaker 1: at Caroline De Russo, commentator and President of the West
39:42
Speaker 1: Australian Liberals. The Scone News contributor Louise Robbers Caroline, the
39:47
Speaker 1: petrol panic. Who do you blame? Is that the government,
39:50
Speaker 1: the oil companies or an Australian public that is so
39:54
Speaker 1: skittish it even stripped supermarkets of toilet paper in the pandemic.
40:00
Speaker 10: Well, it's probably a little bit of all things. And
40:02
Speaker 10: I'm not sure which is the horse and which is
40:04
Speaker 10: the cart. I think that there's an Australian public out
40:07
Speaker 10: there that probably doesn't love this government, and they might
40:11
Speaker 10: be panic buying because they're not confident in the government's
40:14
Speaker 10: positions or the government's policies. So that there, I think
40:17
Speaker 10: is probably a secondary issue here. But you know, these
40:22
Speaker 10: things don't just happen overnight. When you think of the
40:24
Speaker 10: layers of policy and the layers of regulation that have
40:28
Speaker 10: gone onto anything that even remotely resembles a fossil fuel, Eventually,
40:33
Speaker 10: at some point it was going to come home to roost.
40:35
Speaker 10: At some point it was going to become unviable. The
40:38
Speaker 10: other people that we need to talk about in this, Andrew,
40:40
Speaker 10: and you didn't mention is the banks who have refused
40:44
Speaker 10: to lend to these sorts of projects because of their
40:48
Speaker 10: ESG policies of the like. And you can play that
40:51
Speaker 10: game for a little while, and you can play that
40:54
Speaker 10: game for a little while, and if nothing goes wrong,
40:57
Speaker 10: you can kind of skate on pass. But eventually it
41:00
Speaker 10: all comes home to roost, and you know the tide
41:03
Speaker 10: has now gone out. Everyone who's been involved in this
41:06
Speaker 10: is all starkers and everyone wants to know how in
41:09
Speaker 10: a developed country like Australia there is the possibility of
41:13
Speaker 10: there not being enough fuel around. So I think the
41:16
Speaker 10: blame gets shared in quite a few places, but I
41:19
Speaker 10: think the Australian public is the last of like they're
41:24
Speaker 10: the last people who should be sheltering the blame because
41:26
Speaker 10: I can understand if some people are out there or
41:28
Speaker 10: worried for various reasons. Mike Geran his comments were excellent
41:33
Speaker 10: in relation to farmers and the miners in Western Australia,
41:37
Speaker 10: they are also wanting to know what the pipeline looks
41:40
Speaker 10: like on diesel and the like because they need it
41:43
Speaker 10: to be able to run their businesses as well.
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Speaker 1: It's absolutely true. It's a bizarre louise that you know,
41:54
Speaker 1: for decades, like Karlin says, I mean, you know, we've
41:57
Speaker 1: had all these lobbist politicians, these journalists and all that
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Speaker 1: screaming let's get rid of fossil fuels, and now the
42:04
Speaker 1: scream is where are our fossil fuels? I mean it's weird, I.
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Speaker 15: Do, and this is policy failure dressed up as public hysteria.
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Speaker 15: It absolutely infuriates me that the blame keeps coming back
42:16
Speaker 15: to us and also more annoyingly going back to farmers
42:20
Speaker 15: that somehow they're stockpiling diesel fuel and all together where
42:24
Speaker 15: somehow to blame for this crisis. I mean Chris Bowen
42:27
Speaker 15: said in his interview with Kiir and Gilbert that we
42:30
Speaker 15: have as much fuel in this country today in Australia
42:34
Speaker 15: that we did on the day that Iran was bombed.
42:36
Speaker 15: I mean, who even believes that, because it's clearly not true.
42:39
Speaker 15: It's just all this sort of word salad that comes
42:42
Speaker 15: out when we've got you know, your previous guests spelling
42:46
Speaker 15: it out so clearly that we're we're going to be
42:48
Speaker 15: in a food crisis pretty soon, let alone a fuel crisis.
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Speaker 16: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Well, look, I even tend to believe Chris Bowen. But
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Speaker 1: the thing is, no one else does. This is the point,
43:00
Speaker 1: think the shred of their credibility. I think it is
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Speaker 1: a political crisis, a crisis of political authority among other things.
43:08
Speaker 1: But the governor, I think should have done more to
43:10
Speaker 1: men maintain fuel supplaces of the country, even at the
43:14
Speaker 1: cost of the city. But I want to come back
43:16
Speaker 1: to a SKA News poll that I showed earlier. Caroline,
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Speaker 1: sorry about this, but one nation now up to twenty
43:23
Speaker 1: seven percent support federally, just two points behind the Albanizi government,
43:28
Speaker 1: I mean two points and the Liberals of course nowhere.
43:32
Speaker 1: What do you think of this? I mean, I can't
43:34
Speaker 1: believe it's just people. You know, all these people say, oh,
43:37
Speaker 1: one Nation, it's just the Protest Party. I think Australians
43:41
Speaker 1: are actually voting for it now for reasons positive to
43:45
Speaker 1: one Nation.
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Speaker 10: And I think there definitely will be some of that,
43:51
Speaker 10: And to be honest, there has always been some of that,
43:54
Speaker 10: and we have seen that federally and we have seen
43:56
Speaker 10: that at a state level, particularly in Queensland obviously did
44:00
Speaker 10: very well in the nineteen ninety eight election. I think
44:04
Speaker 10: it's probably a little bit of both. And what is
44:06
Speaker 10: interesting about that poll is yes, we're third there obviously,
44:11
Speaker 10: but the big thing, and I've said this on your
44:13
Speaker 10: show before, the big thing for the coalition was to
44:17
Speaker 10: stem the bleeding before you could start regaining that ground.
44:22
Speaker 10: And it's interesting that that one percent has come off
44:25
Speaker 10: the Labor Party and they are not immune. And I
44:27
Speaker 10: thought that Malanascus's comments on the weekend were really quite interesting.
44:32
Speaker 10: And they're still vote counting in the South Australian election
44:34
Speaker 10: at the moment, which Labor v One Nation in competition
44:41
Speaker 10: on the two pp which are very very close. So yes,
44:44
Speaker 10: it is principally an issue for the coalition, but labor
44:48
Speaker 10: is not immune. I do think it's a little bit
44:50
Speaker 10: of both. And I think particularly since the last election
44:55
Speaker 10: and the poor result of the coalition, it has taken
44:58
Speaker 10: a long time for our parliamentary team to find its feet,
45:02
Speaker 10: obviously having just elected new leadership, to be able to
45:07
Speaker 10: prosecute that message, put those positions in place and get
45:10
Speaker 10: going on that work. And I know that work is
45:12
Speaker 10: being done and I think it will it will start
45:15
Speaker 10: to pay off. But these things don't happen to overnight.
45:18
Speaker 10: As you well know Andrew. You can take a position,
45:20
Speaker 10: but you have to have the time to be able
45:23
Speaker 10: to drum it into the electorate and then you start
45:25
Speaker 10: to see it in the pole. So the work is
45:28
Speaker 10: being done and I don't expect a miracle overnight.
45:32
Speaker 1: Now let me pick up on that. Well, see Luis
45:35
Speaker 1: here two things. One is you know that the new
45:39
Speaker 1: leadership federally, it's had a bit of time now and
45:42
Speaker 1: we're not seeing any pole movement. And the second thing
45:45
Speaker 1: is and this is an example of a sort of
45:48
Speaker 1: flat footedness. Caroline mentioned the comments of Peter Malinowskus. What
45:53
Speaker 1: Malinowskas said the Premier South Australia after the win. He
45:57
Speaker 1: said the left has got to be more patriototic. It's
46:00
Speaker 1: going to fly the flag as well, not just you know,
46:03
Speaker 1: like pauli Anson does. And the Albanezi government has picked
46:07
Speaker 1: that up already and it's attacking the Liberals as I'm patriotic.
46:11
Speaker 1: It's very deliberate. Here comes some examples from today.
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Speaker 3: The opposition have chosen partisanship over patriotism.
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Speaker 16: It's a win for our nation, for business, for primary
46:23
Speaker 16: producers and for consumers. It's a win for everyone who
46:28
Speaker 16: backs Australia if those opposite want to engage and a
46:31
Speaker 16: little bit of patriotism for a change instead instead, a
46:34
Speaker 16: partisan said, they make just one constructive suggestion for the
46:39
Speaker 16: first time.
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Speaker 1: See Louis. It's very interesting and not a coincidence as
46:45
Speaker 1: Labour now talking about patriotism and flags, but not the liberals.
46:50
Speaker 1: I haven't heard the liberals say anything when you would
46:53
Speaker 1: think that that's exactly what they first do after one
46:56
Speaker 1: nation has pants them.
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Speaker 15: Well, it's their natural home. Turf isn't a patriot, it's
47:00
Speaker 15: what the reason a lot of people vote for them
47:03
Speaker 15: is because they put country first, you know, and the
47:05
Speaker 15: border security and sovereignty and all those sort of critical
47:08
Speaker 15: things that everyone loves who votes for the coalition. So
47:11
Speaker 15: the fact that Labour of Namog did and said, hey,
47:13
Speaker 15: over here, we're also patriotic, when of course you know
47:16
Speaker 15: voters aren't stupid, then they can see right through it.
47:19
Speaker 15: It's so inauthentic, particularly come from a PM who's proven
47:22
Speaker 15: his chops and not being patriotic for Australians in recent years,
47:26
Speaker 15: let's face it. So to go back to your point
47:29
Speaker 15: too about people still or some people still saying that
47:33
Speaker 15: those figures for one nation are a protest vote, I
47:36
Speaker 15: agree with you. I really think that's delusional to even
47:39
Speaker 15: say that. Now people are making a positive choice. They
47:42
Speaker 15: like what Pauline is selling it and they want to
47:44
Speaker 15: buy it. They particularly love what she says about patriotism
47:47
Speaker 15: and what she says about you know, our border control
47:50
Speaker 15: and immigration security, and they want a piece of that.
47:53
Speaker 15: So you know, to them, I mean young families who
47:56
Speaker 15: are struggling and not being ideological, they're panicking, they're worried
48:00
Speaker 15: about the cost of living, can they send their kids
48:02
Speaker 15: to school? Will they pay the mortgage? And nobody in
48:05
Speaker 15: the major parties I feel is actually speaking to them
48:07
Speaker 15: about that at reassuring them.
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Speaker 1: Look, I think that's right. I'm just struck by the
48:16
Speaker 1: liberals not picking up on the patriotsm theme or thinking
48:20
Speaker 1: we can't go down there. It's a two right wing
48:23
Speaker 1: when even labor is now doing it three flags Labor.
48:26
Speaker 1: I mean, I know it's hypocrisy, but still, Karen Drusso,
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Speaker 1: Luis Roberts, thank you very much to you both. Up next,
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Speaker 1: there's Sherry Markson from me. Good night,