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Speaker 1: On today's episode, The King Reunited and it feels so good.
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Speaker 2: Hey, Carlos, so glad to be here with you.
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Speaker 1: As always, I am so happy to be here with you.
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Speaker 1: You're one of my closest friends who I love, love, love,
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Speaker 1: love love, and we have a lot to talk about,
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Speaker 1: So let's just get right into it. OC is on
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Speaker 1: fire this season.
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Speaker 2: It's good. It's real good, Dave.
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Speaker 1: I cannot get enough of it. I want to inject
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Speaker 1: it in my veins like my vitamin D my my,
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Speaker 1: my K one. I want, I want all of the
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Speaker 1: medication that is the OC. So why do you think
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Speaker 1: this season is like so freaking good?
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Speaker 2: Well, I think that it's a case of all the
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Speaker 2: ladies coming to work. They all showed up ready to work,
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Speaker 2: ready to do their jobs, ready to participate. I feel
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Speaker 2: like Emily and Gina specifically are now operating on a
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Speaker 2: level of where they've really shown that they are actually,
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Speaker 2: you know, full time players here and they're participating in
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Speaker 2: the best sorts of ways. Of course, Tamra, I think
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Speaker 2: elevated everyone's game last season. Heather is having a great
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Speaker 2: season so far, and of course, you know, Shannon is
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Speaker 2: just soaking up the stardom in the midst of the
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Speaker 2: of the storyline. Everywhere, so it's working. I think on
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Speaker 2: a lot of levels. There's good villains, there's good drama.
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Speaker 2: It's pretty crystal clear for everyone. And I think it's
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Speaker 2: I think it's why it's doing so well. It so much.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I agree with every single thing you said.
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Speaker 1: So when it comes to Shannon, let's have a real conversation.
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Speaker 1: I mean, wow, I mean, I think that's the only
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Speaker 1: word I can use describe what I'm witnessing to come
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Speaker 1: to Shannon. The fact that here we are talking about
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Speaker 1: her ex boyfriend suing her for seventy five thousand dollars,
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Speaker 1: although three hundred and seventy five dollars of those was
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Speaker 1: spent on his Parragamo shoes. Right, So you know, what
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Speaker 1: do you do? What do you what do you make
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Speaker 1: of that? Because I had John Janssen on my podcast
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Speaker 1: with Alexis Shannon, you have to come on my podcast
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Speaker 1: too sweetpee to you know, answer their questions. But what
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Speaker 1: do you make of that? Is that a bitch move
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Speaker 1: on John's part? Or hey, if you owe the money, honey,
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Speaker 1: pony up.
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Speaker 2: Well, I guess I would ask do we have a
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Speaker 2: problem when when Vicky sued Brooks to get the money
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Speaker 2: back for the teeth that she paid for him. I
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Speaker 2: think we were all really supportive of that move in
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Speaker 2: the same way. So I'm not really sure what the
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Speaker 2: issue is in this case, you know. I think that
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Speaker 2: Shannon did something where she's talked very openly about the
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Speaker 2: fact that she paid for a lot of John's life
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Speaker 2: in the beginning of their relationship, and I think that
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Speaker 2: that's more of a Shannon problem and that's a John problem.
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Speaker 2: Like I think that that's really in my experience with
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Speaker 2: Shannon and John, my experience, you know, knowing her, she
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Speaker 2: is somebody who really throws money at people. She likes
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Speaker 2: to pay for things, she likes to treat people. That's
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Speaker 2: the way that she shows her love and her affection.
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Speaker 2: And I think that she got frustrated with that for
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Speaker 2: a long time because she was the only one doing it.
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Speaker 2: I get it. I was in a relationship where I
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Speaker 2: was constantly doing one thing and the other person wasn't
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Speaker 2: doing that, and I started getting frustrated about it too.
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Speaker 2: But I never asked for that, I never exp it back,
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Speaker 2: and until I started asking for it. Once I did,
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Speaker 2: then I started getting it. I think when Shannon started
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Speaker 2: vocalizing to John what her issue is that's when things
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Speaker 2: changed in their relationship. And now they weren't even dating
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Speaker 2: when he gave her this money, you know what I mean,
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Speaker 2: Like they were no longer together. So I can understand
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Speaker 2: why he feels frustrated about the fact that all of
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Speaker 2: this is going out there. It just feels like there's
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Speaker 2: pieces of the puzzle that is missing in the narrative
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Speaker 2: of what we're seeing on TV.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I agree with that because, I mean, sony
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Speaker 1: five thousand dollars is a lot of money. Yeah, you
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Speaker 1: know what I mean, that's I mean, I need to
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Speaker 1: understand exactly what that money was being used for, Like,
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Speaker 1: do you have a clue exactly what the sort of
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Speaker 1: like things he was doing that warrned it seventy five
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars.
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Speaker 2: It was definitely the plastic surgery was a big part
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Speaker 2: of it. And then I think the other money was too,
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Speaker 2: perhaps float some other expenses that she was dealing with.
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Speaker 2: You know, she's been open about the fact that her
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Speaker 2: company isn't really making money and she's floating that still
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Speaker 2: and that's at a loss, you know, other expenses that
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Speaker 2: she's dealing with in her life. I think that she
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Speaker 2: needed his support on and he was there to help her.
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Speaker 2: He was also there, I think, you know, after the accident.
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Speaker 2: I think he housed her for ten days and took
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Speaker 2: care of her after her duy. So there's a lot
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Speaker 2: more that I think John has done than we really
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Speaker 2: see now. At the same time, I have so much
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Speaker 2: compassion for what Shina's going through. We went through breakups
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Speaker 2: similarly this year, her and I, and if my ex
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Speaker 2: was on you know, we started a job at People
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Speaker 2: magazine Dayton one of my coworkers, i'd have an issue
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Speaker 2: with it. It would be upsetting to me, and I
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Speaker 2: really feel for her and what she's dealing with. But
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Speaker 2: this situation, you know, from what we've read and what
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Speaker 2: we've reported on, she had agreed to give the money back,
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Speaker 2: but had required that he signed an NDA that he
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Speaker 2: not know disparage her at all. And I think that
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Speaker 2: that was a big point of contention for him, because
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Speaker 2: she obviously has been disparaging him NonStop, right and he
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Speaker 2: at that point hadn't said anything. So I can understand
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Speaker 2: why he wasn't interested in signing that. This idea that
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Speaker 2: it's extortion, I can see that, but I don't really
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Speaker 2: think it is. I don't really think he's trying to
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Speaker 2: extort her.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, listen, I don't think he's trying to extort
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Speaker 1: her either. I think at the end of the day,
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Speaker 1: is what you said. If someone loans you money to
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Speaker 1: get elect of plastic surgery and you choose not to
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Speaker 1: call doctor Debreu, Like, what's the do you know what
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Speaker 1: I mean? Like, what's the point of a friending habit
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Speaker 1: of debro if you can't use her husband for the
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Speaker 1: plastic surgery at all?
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Speaker 2: Hello?
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Speaker 1: Like like hello, talk about a discount that I need,
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So the fact that she
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Speaker 1: decided to get this plastic surgery, again, that's her business.
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Speaker 1: But it's still money that was given to you and
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Speaker 1: if and that's again that's a lot of money. I
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Speaker 1: don't see it as extortion. What I do see it
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Speaker 1: as is this. I think John is fed up. I
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Speaker 1: think John is fed up with Shannon running with his
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Speaker 1: narrative that he did not contribute to anything, because, again,
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Speaker 1: based on what Emily and Gina and Heather has said,
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Speaker 1: Shannon always told these ladies that she pays for everything.
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Speaker 1: That's that's and pretty much that John doesn't pony up nothing.
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Speaker 1: And I think John, being a man, maybe his egoist bruise.
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Speaker 1: I think he's fed up with Shannon having a platform
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Speaker 1: where she gets to talk shady about him whenever she can,
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Speaker 1: and I think John is trying to teach her a lesson.
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Speaker 1: Now with that being said, is that right? I mean,
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Speaker 1: I'm not the judge or the jurid that's a camera
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Speaker 1: but but intended. But I do think a large part
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Speaker 1: of his grievances and not accepting the settlement is because
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Speaker 1: he is fed up with her and he's trying to
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Speaker 1: teach her a lesson. And sadly, and this is where
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Speaker 1: I am on Shannon's side, I think the timing could
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Speaker 1: not have been worse considering she is going through the aptomatic.
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Speaker 2: I completely agree. And I have to wonder whether there's
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Speaker 2: any sort of I don't know anything legally, but was
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Speaker 2: there like a timeline that you have to sort of
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Speaker 2: file by a certain time. Is there a statue of
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Speaker 2: limitations where he wouldn't get it, because I don't really
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Speaker 2: understand why he filed. In the midst of all this,
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Speaker 2: John has oftentimes talked about the fact that he wants
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Speaker 2: nothing to do with this and wants to be out
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Speaker 2: of the spotlight sort of thing right, but this only
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Speaker 2: makes him more of the storyline. And listen, you have
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Speaker 2: been in this business for a long time working with
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Speaker 2: these women. The house husband is a thankless role. Okay,
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Speaker 2: you don't get paid. First of all, nobody's coming into
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Speaker 2: your pocket, so you're not getting paid. And I remember
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Speaker 2: talking to John right when he was dating Shannon, before
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Speaker 2: he ever appeared on the show. We had dinner and
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Speaker 2: I the three of us, and I said to John, listen,
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Speaker 2: if you go on the show, it's your job to
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Speaker 2: smile and shut up. It's to say and when Shannon
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Speaker 2: complaint complains to you, oh this one, I hate this one.
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Speaker 2: I hate that one. You say, I'm so sorry you're
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Speaker 2: going through this money, and you smile and you shut up, right,
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Speaker 2: and you're just there to support her and not really
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Speaker 2: get involved. I think the best house husbands that we've
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Speaker 2: seen over the years have really followed in that path.
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Speaker 2: And he made the mistake of running his mouth a
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Speaker 2: little bit, and now I think he's desperately behind the
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Speaker 2: scenes trying to control something that I mean, the toothpaste
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Speaker 2: side of the pace thing right. You can't get it
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Speaker 2: back in it's done, so you just kind of have
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Speaker 2: to let it be. And I understand that people really
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Speaker 2: struggle when there's a perspective, a perception of you out
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Speaker 2: there that's not true to who you think you are
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Speaker 2: or how you think things played out. But certainly Alexis
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Speaker 2: coming in and sort of being the spokesperson for him
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Speaker 2: is not going well.
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Speaker 1: We have to talk about that. I like Alexis. I
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Speaker 1: think Alexis great television. It's not going as well as
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Speaker 1: maybe she hoped it would because the only thing that
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Speaker 1: they're showing her talk about, right is John is Shannon.
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Speaker 1: And when it comes to Alexis, Listen, I don't like
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Speaker 1: the fact that if there's a video of a ring
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Speaker 1: camera where Shanna is doing something while she's drunk, I
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Speaker 1: do think is very tasteless to not only show it,
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Speaker 1: I think it's takes lists to threaten to show it, dude,
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Speaker 1: know what I mean. I don't like that you can't
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Speaker 1: kick a woman while she's down. And listen, Shannon made
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Speaker 1: the choice to hop in the car inebriate it' that
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Speaker 1: was her choice. She obviously is paying the consequences for it, right. So,
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Speaker 1: and we'll get to the other half in the second
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Speaker 1: about her containment drinking. But I think the notion of
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Speaker 1: threatening to show a video or even telling the women
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Speaker 1: you have one, I just think that's.
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Speaker 2: Like, I completely agree. I think it's totally low and
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Speaker 2: she does not deserve that. And listen, I mean this
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Speaker 2: whole thing, this this episode where the women were sort
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Speaker 2: of surrounding Shannon and saying, it's too much that you're
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Speaker 2: going through this. It's too much that this is happening.
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Speaker 2: A lot of the things that have been said in
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Speaker 2: confessional from Gina and Emily being very supportive of Shannon,
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Speaker 2: like it, you know, it sucks that she has to
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Speaker 2: deal with her ex, her ex boyfriend new girlfriend on
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Speaker 2: the show. That for me is so interesting because all
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Speaker 2: those complaints are not really about Alexis, and it's they're
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Speaker 2: more about the show, right, Because let's be honest, Alexis
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Speaker 2: is not hanging out with these people because she likes them.
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Speaker 2: She's hanging out with these people because the network and
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Speaker 2: the producers cast her to be back on the show.
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Speaker 2: That's why she's in this friend group again. And allegedly
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Speaker 2: that all happened well before she was dating John. The
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Speaker 2: timing couldn't be worse, but all this to be set
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Speaker 2: allegedly as you always say. But all she said is like,
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Speaker 2: I think it's so fascinating that they're really talking about
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Speaker 2: the show itself. The complaint is about the show. It's
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Speaker 2: too much that she is here, that this is happening
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Speaker 2: while the cameras are rolling on the show, and that
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Speaker 2: is something that I feel like is getting lost in
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Speaker 2: the translation with the viewers. They seem to really hate
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Speaker 2: Alexis for the fact that she's there. But she's not
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Speaker 2: there on her own will. She's there because they hired her, right,
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Speaker 2: you know, she's not like she's just it's not like Tameras.
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Speaker 2: It's like, yo, Alexis, come hang out with me. It's like,
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Speaker 2: oh no, this is my job and I'm showing up
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Speaker 2: to work today.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, she has a contract. Like, she has a contract.
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Speaker 1: She's getting paid to be there and listen, she's doing
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Speaker 1: her job. So I don't understand the Alexis hate in
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Speaker 1: the sense of she's there to work. It's the same
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Speaker 1: reason why some of these viewers hate Tamra. Tamra is
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Speaker 1: there to work, you know, like it's that simple. So
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Speaker 1: when it comes to Alexis, she's there doing her job. Now,
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Speaker 1: with that being said, I do think listen the perfect
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Speaker 1: world for me. I would love to see a scene
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Speaker 1: where Shannon and Alexis have a one on one and
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Speaker 1: I would love for Alexis to say, look, as a
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Speaker 1: woman and a mother, I just want you to know
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Speaker 1: I have sympathy for you, like I don't wish this
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Speaker 1: on anybody. Obviously, you and John are going through your
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Speaker 1: situation and starting today, moving forward, I'm not going to
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Speaker 1: involve myself like I want her to do that, but
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if that's ever going through.
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Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you a question, as a producer,
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Speaker 2: do you think there's a producer saying that to her?
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Speaker 2: Like Alexis, maybe you should come in and say this.
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Speaker 1: You know what I would This is the thing Alexis
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Speaker 1: is firing off all cylinders, like she's coming in like
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Speaker 1: a bet out of hell. Like when I look at Alexis,
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Speaker 1: I look at somebody who, Yes, she loves John, and
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Speaker 1: we're not going to take that away from her. But
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Speaker 1: I do get the sense too that somebody is putting
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Speaker 1: some gas, you know what I'm saying in her chamber. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: but okay, yeah, I feel like I feel like there's
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Speaker 1: somebody who's pushing her to do it. Who that person
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Speaker 1: is I don't know, but she's so fired up. And
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Speaker 1: if you are to be seen as this Chris, you know,
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Speaker 1: this god fearing woman, then for me it's sort of like,
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Speaker 1: can we at least see a little bit of sympathy
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Speaker 1: out of you because we're talking strictly about Shannon and Alexis.
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Speaker 1: Unless I'm wrong and I missed it, Shannon has not
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Speaker 1: said anything disparaging about Alexis, and I feel like everything
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Speaker 1: is about John and Alexis is reacting base on the
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Speaker 1: things that John is saying.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's not working in that sense. It's so strange,
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Speaker 2: and the viewers are really anti Alexis. They really really
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Speaker 2: hate her, and I think it's interesting. I mean, I'm
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Speaker 2: paying attention to a lot of that because when it
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Speaker 2: first came out that Alexis was dating John, I remember
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Speaker 2: being online and everyone was like, I need Andy in
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Speaker 2: the camera. I can't wait to see what shan Shannon's
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Speaker 2: will lose it. This is going to be incredible, Like
16:55
Speaker 2: people were salivating to see it, and now it's so
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Speaker 2: interesting that they're seeing it. They have so much sympathy
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Speaker 2: for Shannon and so much hatred for Alexis, even though
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Speaker 2: this is what they wanted. You know, you have Megan
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Speaker 2: McCain saying how mean she is and Melissa Perraic Griffin
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Speaker 2: dissing her on the View, like people really are anti her,
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Speaker 2: and I don't. For me, I don't understand it. It's like,
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Speaker 2: this is what you wanted, this is what you were
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Speaker 2: asking for and had been asking for for a while.
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Speaker 2: I remember when Lisa Retta was on Beverly Hills and
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Speaker 2: they were begging Nicolette Sheridan to come on the show.
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Speaker 2: I remember when David Bador got remarried and they were
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Speaker 2: begging for her wife, the new wife, to come on.
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Speaker 2: Oh see, Like the fans seemed to want that, right
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Speaker 2: They rallied behind Sweet Tea when she came on and
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Speaker 2: married to Medicine and they had to watch her with quad.
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Speaker 2: That's sort of what they want. But now that we're
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Speaker 2: in it, we don't seem to want it. So I
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Speaker 2: guess I don't really I don't know where to place
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Speaker 2: the blame. Is the blame on Alexis, Is the blame
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Speaker 2: on producers? Is the blame on the network? Where did
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Speaker 2: this all go wrong that the audience is so unhappy?
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Speaker 1: Yes? Well, good question. The audience doesn't know what they want,
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Speaker 1: they get it, do you know what I mean? Again,
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Speaker 1: it's the same audience who did not want Tamra and
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Speaker 1: we had to deal with a season without her, which
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Speaker 1: was it's news. So it's one of those things I
18:12
Speaker 1: always tell the audience. At the end of the day,
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Speaker 1: you want to be entertained, and it is okay to
18:20
Speaker 1: have strong feelings about somebody. But when you have those
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Speaker 1: strong convictions, it's because you are invested in the show
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Speaker 1: and the storylines. So without that, you are left with
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Speaker 1: the OC two years ago, which was unwatchable. And then
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Speaker 1: you guys not only begged for Tamar to leave, you
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Speaker 1: guys beg for her to come back. And now that
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Speaker 1: she's back and she's in Shannon's ass this season, you
18:51
Speaker 1: guys are also wanting Tamra to go. So what is
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Speaker 1: it that you want? Do you want to watch a
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Speaker 1: show where Heather is in her Beverly Hills home with
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Speaker 1: her kids and Josh Altman like, I'm not trying to
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Speaker 1: watch that every week. I think it's great to see it.
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Speaker 1: I like seeing Heather's wealth, but I like to also
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Speaker 1: see these women have real conversations and what Shannon is
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Speaker 1: going through is real. Speaking of which, when it comes
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Speaker 1: to Shannon's sobriety, right one thing you and I are
19:31
Speaker 1: are are definitely on the same page as you can't
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Speaker 1: tell somebody how to operate when it comes to their
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Speaker 1: own sobriety. You can't force someone to stop drinking. Everything
19:41
Speaker 1: has to be in that own person's line, right in
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Speaker 1: their own poson's time. I've said this on the show before. Listen,
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Speaker 1: when it comes to Shannon, I'm not here to judge her.
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Speaker 1: I'm not here to tell her to stop drinking. That's
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Speaker 1: that's a choice she has to make. When she showed
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Speaker 1: Ether that picture of her with the blood on her face,
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Speaker 1: it stopped me in my tracks because it was so
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Speaker 1: it was so disheartening to see it, and it was
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Speaker 1: jarring to see, but it was also sort of like,
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Speaker 1: I guess for me, I was sort of like, I
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Speaker 1: don't know, Shannon. I think this picture, if in my opinion,
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Speaker 1: could be seen as a wake up hall of like
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Speaker 1: maybe there is something there to where the two drink
20:34
Speaker 1: minimum may not be the best for her based solely
20:37
Speaker 1: off of just like seeing that that photo. Where do
20:42
Speaker 1: you think Shannon is.
20:44
Speaker 2: Spoken to her about this a lot? And you know,
20:47
Speaker 2: she really still maintains that she did not have a
20:51
Speaker 2: drinking problem, does not have a drinking problem, that it
20:53
Speaker 2: was a picker problem, shout out j Low, that it
20:58
Speaker 2: was a picker problem, that she felt like she was
21:01
Speaker 2: focused on the wrong people. Now, she wasn't with John
21:04
Speaker 2: the night of her duy up until the end of it.
21:08
Speaker 2: You know, she had been out drinking prior to that,
21:11
Speaker 2: and then went to his house and then got into
21:13
Speaker 2: the accident afterwards. She didn't drink at his house. So
21:16
Speaker 2: the alcohol I think she was three times I legal limit.
21:19
Speaker 2: That was all before John was around. So there's clearly
21:25
Speaker 2: a lot stemming from her anger towards him or whatever
21:30
Speaker 2: was happening in the relationship at the time, or whatever
21:32
Speaker 2: she was dealing with. She was self medicating, that's what
21:34
Speaker 2: she's all said now. Carlos, I am eleven years sober.
21:40
Speaker 2: Thank you, very recovering alcoholic. I am active in program.
21:44
Speaker 2: I am very grateful for my alcoholism and very grateful
21:49
Speaker 2: for my recovery. I have been in lots of meetings before,
21:53
Speaker 2: I have done this for a long time. You definitely
21:56
Speaker 2: are right in saying you cannot tell someone that they
21:59
Speaker 2: have a problem. They have to come up with that
22:03
Speaker 2: on their own, and I think that Shannon is working
22:06
Speaker 2: through those feelings on her own and she has decided
22:08
Speaker 2: she doesn't have an issue. But I want to speak
22:12
Speaker 2: a little bit to Tamra and sort of the anger
22:15
Speaker 2: and the hate that she's getting as well, because I've
22:17
Speaker 2: been in so many meetings with so many addicts who
22:20
Speaker 2: have talked about the tough love that they have gotten
22:23
Speaker 2: from people in their lives that have actually really helped
22:26
Speaker 2: them and opened their eyes. And the audience again seems
22:30
Speaker 2: to be very loudly saying, you don't kick someone when
22:32
Speaker 2: they're down, You don't do this, You don't speak to
22:34
Speaker 2: someone like this, you can't. And I agree that it's
22:37
Speaker 2: really harsh what we've been seeing from Tamra, But I
22:40
Speaker 2: just want to say, as an addict, it's not the
22:44
Speaker 2: worst thing to have someone talk to you like that
22:46
Speaker 2: sometimes that sometimes it could be really helpful to open
22:49
Speaker 2: your eyes and clean things up. I spoke to Tamra
22:52
Speaker 2: and she said that she had a deep conversation with
22:56
Speaker 2: Shannon allegedly, and after seeing that photo, also talk to
23:01
Speaker 2: her about listen, I think this is a rock bottom
23:03
Speaker 2: moment for you, and you know, maybe this is the
23:05
Speaker 2: eye opener that you need, and that Shannon said all
23:08
Speaker 2: those things to her that yes, I need help, and
23:10
Speaker 2: I realized I can't keep going like this, YadA, YadA, YadA.
23:14
Speaker 2: But then days later was talking negatively about Tamara allegedly
23:17
Speaker 2: and saying, you know, I don't have a problem. She
23:19
Speaker 2: has a problem, and Gina has a problem, and all
23:21
Speaker 2: these other people have problems. Right, So I can see
23:24
Speaker 2: where Tamar's frustration comes and where she's put down this
23:27
Speaker 2: boundary to say I'm no longer dealing with this with someone.
23:31
Speaker 2: There's a lot of complicated emotions, and we all really
23:34
Speaker 2: see it so black and white, right, But I'm here
23:36
Speaker 2: to say, like, there's so much gray in this. And
23:39
Speaker 2: I have been in rooms with addicts who have done
23:41
Speaker 2: way worse things than Shannon the door and have had
23:44
Speaker 2: people who have allowed them to do that over and
23:47
Speaker 2: over and over again by always keeping the door open,
23:49
Speaker 2: and they've really harmed a lot of people. And I've
23:51
Speaker 2: had other people who I know who've had families cut
23:54
Speaker 2: them off and it has given them the wake up
23:57
Speaker 2: call that they needed to get help. It doesn't seem
23:59
Speaker 2: to be helping Shannon in this case, but I also don't.
24:03
Speaker 2: I don't. Just as like I don't judge Shannon for
24:06
Speaker 2: her drinking, I don't judge Tamra for putting down that boundary.
24:11
Speaker 1: I could not agree with you more. Everybody situation is different.
24:18
Speaker 1: There are people who are alcoholics or addicts who need
24:24
Speaker 1: tough love. One thing I said about podcast to Dave
24:27
Speaker 1: is we have to understand that Tamra has seen more
24:31
Speaker 1: than we have seen as viewers, and I think that
24:35
Speaker 1: gets lost on the audience. Right, they were on tour together.
24:39
Speaker 1: They've been best friends for I think about a decade
24:42
Speaker 1: at this point, if not longer. They Tamra have seen
24:47
Speaker 1: a lot. They talked about talking on the phone every
24:51
Speaker 1: single day. Tamar knows a lot, and I think Tamra's delivery, Yes,
24:57
Speaker 1: it is sometimes darring, but I think you we have
25:00
Speaker 1: to take a step back and realize they were best
25:03
Speaker 1: friends and Tamara knows more than we would ever know.
25:07
Speaker 1: And she is choosing to go this route because the
25:15
Speaker 1: other route did not work like the Vickie route. Right
25:20
Speaker 1: is Oh, she's fine, She's okay, it's all good. Libra
25:22
Speaker 1: alone Again, that's Vickie's reality. I think that was Tamra's
25:27
Speaker 1: for so long and it didn't work. And I think
25:31
Speaker 1: Tamar is showing tough love because sometimes that's what you need.
25:37
Speaker 1: The biggest thing is going to be what Shannon feels
25:41
Speaker 1: she needs. And my hope for Shannon at the end
25:46
Speaker 1: of the day is to quiet and drawn off the
25:49
Speaker 1: noise and sit with herself and really ask yourself the
25:55
Speaker 1: tough questions and do something about whatever results come after
26:01
Speaker 1: having that. I really want the best board Shannon. I
26:04
Speaker 1: think we all do. And I think again, when I
26:07
Speaker 1: saw that photo Dave, I was like, Yeah, this is deep,
26:10
Speaker 1: this is deep, and hopefully that is her rock bottom.
26:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's really taking it seriously in the sense
26:16
Speaker 2: that I can see that she knows that what she
26:20
Speaker 2: did was wrong, that she's taking responsibility for it, that
26:23
Speaker 2: she's really being very hard on herself. Which is a
26:27
Speaker 2: big part of this, I'll just say is through my
26:29
Speaker 2: own addiction, it's it's a big that guilt, that shame,
26:32
Speaker 2: that that anger that you have internally is really difficult
26:37
Speaker 2: to deal with. It took me a long time to
26:39
Speaker 2: forgive myself and I'm still working to forgive myself for
26:42
Speaker 2: certain things I do. I did rather in the height
26:45
Speaker 2: of my addiction or my my issues. I would also
26:49
Speaker 2: say that a big part of the Progress Through program
26:52
Speaker 2: is working through a very important stuff of making amends
26:55
Speaker 2: to the people in your life who you've harmed through
26:58
Speaker 2: your addiction, through your actions. And again, I'm not saying
27:03
Speaker 2: that Shannon has a problem, that she's admitted that she
27:05
Speaker 2: has a problem, but I am understanding through Tamra's lens
27:10
Speaker 2: that if she feels like she's been really harmed by
27:14
Speaker 2: being on the phone with somebody constantly who is talking
27:17
Speaker 2: to you about the depths of their depression and their
27:20
Speaker 2: problems and their and there, and they're perhaps constantly inebriated,
27:24
Speaker 2: and you don't know what to do and you Tamra
27:26
Speaker 2: had said that sometimes I'd hang up the phone and
27:29
Speaker 2: it would take me hours to fall asleep because I'd
27:31
Speaker 2: be so nervous she could hurt herself. What's going to happen? Right,
27:34
Speaker 2: if you're living with that much panic for a long
27:37
Speaker 2: time and you're not able to ever get someone to
27:40
Speaker 2: say I'm so sorry that that harmed you, and I'm
27:44
Speaker 2: I'm trying to work with you. It's I understand why
27:46
Speaker 2: it's hard for that person to move on. I've made
27:48
Speaker 2: amends to people in my life who have said I
27:51
Speaker 2: don't care what you did sucked and I'm never going
27:53
Speaker 2: to talk to you again. And I've had to lose
27:56
Speaker 2: friends who just said no, I refuse, I refuse, and
27:59
Speaker 2: that it's hard to live with. But the men's process
28:03
Speaker 2: isn't something that Shannon is really doing with Tamra, and
28:06
Speaker 2: it's something that Tamra needs that she doesn't even I
28:09
Speaker 2: think know how to ask for.
28:13
Speaker 1: Who. I hate to interrupt, but stay tuned for more.
28:24
Speaker 1: This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King.
28:27
Speaker 1: Let's get back into the show. I think Gina is
28:32
Speaker 1: having the best season. Honey. I call her Gina all Meade,
28:36
Speaker 1: Gina Oppenheim. I call her Gina Tutor. Shout out to Tracy.
28:41
Speaker 1: She is the real estate agent to the star. He
28:44
Speaker 1: suld be on selling the OC. I am loving I.
28:48
Speaker 2: Am too, And again it's something. Look, I've always loved Gina.
28:51
Speaker 2: She's my Strong Island sister. Uh shout out strong. I
28:55
Speaker 2: am shout out Long Island as they like to call it.
28:59
Speaker 2: I have her presence on the show. You know. Again,
29:02
Speaker 2: there's a lot of interesting things. She's somebody who seems
29:05
Speaker 2: to be tuned in and working and you know, look,
29:11
Speaker 2: she maybe in my perspective, for gave Shannon a little
29:13
Speaker 2: bit too quickly because of the years that Shannon was
29:17
Speaker 2: sort of going in on Gina. I'm sort of surprised
29:20
Speaker 2: that she was able to move past it so quickly.
29:23
Speaker 2: But it shows who she is and what her character is,
29:26
Speaker 2: and she's going through something in a relationship that I
29:29
Speaker 2: don't think we've really seen on Housewise before, and I
29:32
Speaker 2: think it's an interesting dynamic that I enjoy watching play out.
29:38
Speaker 2: I don't know, I mean, there's a lot this season
29:40
Speaker 2: that's happening, and I'm curious about what those conversations were
29:44
Speaker 2: like with Katie behind the scenes before Katie showed up.
29:47
Speaker 2: I'm very interested what comes out of the reunion.
29:50
Speaker 1: What do you make of Katie? Because I was gonna
29:53
Speaker 1: go there next, but let us go there now? What
29:56
Speaker 1: are her thoughts on her? Because I I told the
30:02
Speaker 1: rain Drop give me a few weeks, a few episodes,
30:05
Speaker 1: until I really am able to, you know, give her,
30:10
Speaker 1: and then.
30:11
Speaker 2: Last week you gave that feedback. I'm not just I'm
30:15
Speaker 2: not just a participant in Reality with the King. I'm
30:18
Speaker 2: also a listener. I'm a date one Raindrop. I'm the
30:21
Speaker 2: president of drops.
30:23
Speaker 1: Yes you are, Yes you are. Katie is giving all
30:32
Speaker 1: on one season one of the Baby. I'm not sure,
30:34
Speaker 1: but Dave, what do you think? I hope it's Katie.
30:37
Speaker 2: You know. When I hear Tamra say that she feels
30:41
Speaker 2: like Gina set her up, I do kind of wonder
30:43
Speaker 2: whether she was a little bit set up to fail,
30:46
Speaker 2: whether you know, Gina had those conversations with her early
30:50
Speaker 2: on to say, oh yeah, bring this up, Oh yeah,
30:51
Speaker 2: that would be good, and then sort of left her
30:53
Speaker 2: out to dry. It sort of maybe feels like that
30:56
Speaker 2: from what I'm sort of reading between the lines the edit.
31:01
Speaker 2: But that's also on her right, you know, It's like
31:04
Speaker 2: you got to know not to just be a parent.
31:07
Speaker 2: It's difficult. These housewives now come into a show that
31:10
Speaker 2: already exists, that they've watched for years. They're aware of
31:13
Speaker 2: sort of how they need to act and what they
31:15
Speaker 2: need to do, and I think that a lot of
31:18
Speaker 2: them struggle to just be themselves. I like, in the
31:22
Speaker 2: past couple of episodes that think have been seeing more
31:24
Speaker 2: of her personality and I'm sort of enjoying that, But
31:27
Speaker 2: I'm not yet sold on whether she's making it one
31:31
Speaker 2: or two.
31:32
Speaker 1: I think, based on this recent episode, she's a one
31:35
Speaker 1: season wonder I and that's no shade to her as
31:39
Speaker 1: a as a human being. I think when it comes
31:42
Speaker 1: to the OC is such a strong cast. I think
31:47
Speaker 1: Jen is such a strong OC housewife who I enjoy watching.
31:53
Speaker 1: I'm I'm so intrigued by the dynamic of her and Ryan,
31:56
Speaker 1: her ex husband, the dependency on her father, I'm I'm
32:02
Speaker 1: I'm investing in all things Jin Katie. I the personal
32:07
Speaker 1: story I see it. The thing is this, when she's
32:11
Speaker 1: on camera, she doesn't shine like she's She's not somebody
32:20
Speaker 1: where you instantly are drawn to her. I think at
32:26
Speaker 1: best she could have been a friend of Maybe she
32:30
Speaker 1: fits better in Beverly Hills because she's Sutton's friend. In
32:34
Speaker 1: real life, I just don't think she fits this strong
32:39
Speaker 1: group of women where you have Emily, you know, reading
32:44
Speaker 1: Jin for about and Rolex and telling her to get
32:46
Speaker 1: a fucking job. You know what I mean. You have
32:50
Speaker 1: Jin who is giving you everything. You have Gina whose
32:53
Speaker 1: best season this is. You have Heather who's having a
32:56
Speaker 1: great season, who's talking about the you know, inclusivity when
33:01
Speaker 1: it comes to like her children, but also being the
33:06
Speaker 1: you know, the snobby, bougie OC housewip that we love
33:09
Speaker 1: to watch, and you have Tama Bing, Tamara, Shanna Bing, Shannon.
33:13
Speaker 1: You know so, I think in honor of my favorite
33:16
Speaker 1: Deshney's child record the writings on the wall for Katie,
33:22
Speaker 1: and I think you're a bugaboo that is not going
33:28
Speaker 1: to be a survivor. And as I lose my breath,
33:32
Speaker 1: I want you to know you are an independent woman
33:35
Speaker 1: and you're going to have to get another job to
33:38
Speaker 1: pay your bills, bills, bills.
33:40
Speaker 2: Yes, I have to tell you. After that, I'm feeling
33:43
Speaker 2: so good, so good, so good.
33:48
Speaker 1: Shout off Candy bars who.
33:52
Speaker 2: Because now we have Katie as an example of Noela.
33:55
Speaker 2: Do you think that it's a very white show? Do
33:57
Speaker 2: you think that the more diverse housewives who've come into
34:01
Speaker 2: OC haven't been able to sort of find footing for
34:04
Speaker 2: some reason because of that?
34:07
Speaker 1: Yes? Have you been to the OC? It's not honey,
34:11
Speaker 1: I've been to OC several times. I have always been
34:15
Speaker 1: thy black persons at the restaurants. OC is not diverse.
34:19
Speaker 1: It is New York City diverse, right, Like, that's why
34:23
Speaker 1: we have a multicultural cast of New York City. Right,
34:28
Speaker 1: Let's have a real conversation. OC is not the most
34:32
Speaker 1: diverse town in the world, and I think it's just
34:37
Speaker 1: hard to find a group of genuine, real friends that
34:44
Speaker 1: have history that also speaks to that town. I think again,
34:50
Speaker 1: the reason why Jen works is because Jen gives me oc.
34:54
Speaker 1: Gina gives me oc. Yes, the long am accent, but
34:58
Speaker 1: it's like she's still represents to me. I think when
35:02
Speaker 1: it came to Noela, I like Noela. I think Noela
35:05
Speaker 1: was too dehydrated to be normal. I think she has
35:11
Speaker 1: so much potential, but I think she was beyond thirsty.
35:14
Speaker 1: I think she tried so hard to make a moment
35:16
Speaker 1: and it didn't work for her. Not to mention the
35:18
Speaker 1: husband left her for the whole thing, she.
35:20
Speaker 2: Needed a better producer.
35:21
Speaker 1: In my perspective, yeah, like she had it, so I
35:25
Speaker 1: would say I think Noela would have worked, But it's
35:28
Speaker 1: Katie to me based on these episodes, and if I'm
35:32
Speaker 1: wrong after the season, I will do a retraction. Okay,
35:37
Speaker 1: As of today, I just don't think Katie is a
35:41
Speaker 1: reality star. And I think it's okay to say that
35:46
Speaker 1: you are a beautiful, great wife, mom woman when it
35:51
Speaker 1: comes to a reality star.
35:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, and by the way, that's a huge compliment sometimes
35:56
Speaker 2: because it's like, congratulations, you're not nuts.
36:00
Speaker 1: Like yeah, yeah. Her husband seemed like such a nice guy.
36:07
Speaker 1: He seems so. Her daughter is beautiful, and so I
36:10
Speaker 1: guess the great mom. Her daughter is like well rounded
36:14
Speaker 1: and just so like cool and chill and smart. I
36:18
Speaker 1: don't see it. I don't see it. I just don't
36:20
Speaker 1: see it.
36:20
Speaker 2: Carlos, I have a question for you that I've been
36:22
Speaker 2: dying to ask you as I've been listening weekend and
36:24
Speaker 2: week out, and it's as it's the producer, Carlos, that
36:27
Speaker 2: I'd like to speak to the reality with the King host.
36:32
Speaker 2: So for years on the show, we have talked about
36:35
Speaker 2: the fact that Shannon has a drinking problem, right, other
36:37
Speaker 2: women have said it before. We've been watching the you know,
36:41
Speaker 2: roll the footage, We've seen the montages for dealing with
36:44
Speaker 2: this thing. Now she gets into this big dui and
36:48
Speaker 2: she comes back and she really wants to fix things.
36:50
Speaker 2: I'm curious, as a producer, you're in the production seat
36:53
Speaker 2: and you're watching somebody in this how much responsibility do
36:57
Speaker 2: you feel to sort of guide her in the right path.
37:03
Speaker 2: And I'm also curious what you think the network feels
37:06
Speaker 2: about this, especially in the reality reckoning world. Do you
37:10
Speaker 2: think that they feel as though we want to give
37:14
Speaker 2: Shannon all the tools we can for her to succeed
37:17
Speaker 2: and sort of redeem herself in the midst of this
37:21
Speaker 2: really terrible thing.
37:23
Speaker 1: Yes, And that's a very good question. As a producer,
37:28
Speaker 1: you want the best for your cast and it's a
37:33
Speaker 1: fine line of following the reality, and it's a fine
37:37
Speaker 1: line with stepping in the reality because you can't get
37:41
Speaker 1: in trouble or even trying to do the right thing right.
37:45
Speaker 1: So let's just say, for example, you see a cast
37:47
Speaker 1: member doing too much, the right thing is to tell
37:51
Speaker 1: them to stop, right like, hey, stop, you're doing too much,
37:54
Speaker 1: or you have too much a drink. How about you
37:56
Speaker 1: pause for a second. But then the the reality star
38:01
Speaker 1: can't turn around and say that, you know, you're accusing
38:05
Speaker 1: me of something I didn't do. You're embarrassing me. You
38:07
Speaker 1: know that's not whatever if you can get in trouble
38:09
Speaker 1: for that too, it's a very fine line. I think
38:13
Speaker 1: everybody involved because Shanna has been on that show for
38:15
Speaker 1: so long, I think everybody involved in that really wants
38:20
Speaker 1: to see her do well. And my belief is that
38:25
Speaker 1: she has people who work on the show who may
38:28
Speaker 1: say to her, take care of yourself. I do believe
38:31
Speaker 1: that because there's so much history with her, Do you
38:34
Speaker 1: know what I mean? It's one of those things where
38:38
Speaker 1: you will be a heartless person to work with somebody
38:43
Speaker 1: as long as Shannon has been on the show, and
38:45
Speaker 1: one thing about the OC, a lot of those producers
38:47
Speaker 1: have been on since day one. I would be shocked
38:50
Speaker 1: if not one producer have said to her, hmm, maybe
38:55
Speaker 1: you shouldn't. That's why I will always go with is
38:59
Speaker 1: that person since choice, and you can work to guide
39:03
Speaker 1: them in the right direction. However, when you are a producer,
39:10
Speaker 1: it is a fine line because you don't want the
39:12
Speaker 1: backlash from the reality star saying you're making them feel uncomfortable.
39:17
Speaker 1: You know, you don't have a problem. Who are they
39:20
Speaker 1: to judge you? Are you not even judging them, just
39:23
Speaker 1: saying like, maybe you've had enough. But again, it all
39:28
Speaker 1: depends on if that individual day is ready to receive
39:34
Speaker 1: that sort of FEEDA.
39:35
Speaker 2: That's a really good point because as you're saying this,
39:37
Speaker 2: I'm thinking of people who I want to see redemptions
39:40
Speaker 2: for who don't seem really willing to feel that yet
39:44
Speaker 2: And so we haven't gotten there yet with them. But
39:47
Speaker 2: I totally agree with you when you're saying that it's
39:49
Speaker 2: all fascinating. And I say this, of course with nothing
39:51
Speaker 2: but love and respect for all of these people. You know,
39:53
Speaker 2: I always say, it's the hardest thing in the world
39:55
Speaker 2: to do this show. I would never want to do it.
39:57
Speaker 2: If you threw a glass of wine in my face,
39:59
Speaker 2: I'd apologize you. I'd say, I'm so sorry that it
40:03
Speaker 2: made you throw a glass of wine in my face.
40:05
Speaker 2: I don't know what I did. Like, you have to
40:07
Speaker 2: really put your life out there in a way that
40:09
Speaker 2: I think is hard, and you were obviously judged by
40:12
Speaker 2: the audience at every turn, and it's difficult and the network,
40:17
Speaker 2: I think, in these days, this question of their personal
40:19
Speaker 2: responsibility into what's happening is a hard thing that I think,
40:23
Speaker 2: you know, we haven't really discussed as a generation. If
40:26
Speaker 2: you think about reality TV is only twenty five years old, basically.
40:30
Speaker 1: Right, you know, that's for the for what it.
40:33
Speaker 2: I mean, the real world was before that, but Survivor
40:35
Speaker 2: is kind of what pushed it into the cultural zegeist
40:38
Speaker 2: and what we call modern reality TV. And there's still
40:41
Speaker 2: so much to explain and to understand and to unpack
40:44
Speaker 2: when you think about the long term effects it has
40:46
Speaker 2: on people. So it's changing every day, and I think
40:49
Speaker 2: the network still understanding. Would the network these days film
40:53
Speaker 2: a housewife getting evicted from her house like we saw
40:57
Speaker 2: a few seasons ago in the OC in the beginning
40:59
Speaker 2: of Days of Doc. Would we feel that anymore? Or
41:02
Speaker 2: is that something that would be too personal and too
41:04
Speaker 2: hard for Sack? I don't know. It's like there's so
41:06
Speaker 2: many things that I wonder when we look through it
41:09
Speaker 2: in the lens of twenty twenty four, what we would do.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, Listen. Reality TV has evolved to the point
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Speaker 1: where there is a responsibility that you have, right especially
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Speaker 1: when you see how someone appearance on the show is being,
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Speaker 1: you know, perceived in their own life. It's definitely an
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Speaker 1: eye opener nowadays because you have social media, Like there's
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Speaker 1: so many eyeballs, not just the viewership, but there's people
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Speaker 1: on social media who are now able to tell you
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Speaker 1: how they feel instantly. And regardless of how many times
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Speaker 1: you tell a reality starting not to read the comments,
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Speaker 1: they're going to read it. You know they're going to
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Speaker 1: read it, and they're going to call day and complain
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Speaker 1: todave about why what did I do? Why do people
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Speaker 1: hate me so much? Or or you know, it is
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Speaker 1: what it is. I beg you, so I think.
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Speaker 2: I beg them not to. I beg them. I said,
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Speaker 2: you can't listen to any of the negative comments, and
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Speaker 2: you can't listen to any of the positive comments, ignore
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Speaker 2: them all. I beg them. My dream is that every
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Speaker 2: reality star would be banned from having a social.
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Speaker 1: Media no for real, Like you know, you know, the
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Speaker 1: one woman who I love that gets a lot of hate,
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Speaker 1: Giselle Bryant does not read a comment, doesn't care. She's
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Speaker 1: not on Twitter, she posts her pictures or TikTok, and
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Speaker 1: you've never seen her have a social media argument with
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Speaker 1: a troll or a fellow cast member. She ignores it all.
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Speaker 1: And I really do implore a lot of reality stars
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Speaker 1: to at least try that, And I promise you you
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Speaker 1: would have a much pleasant time while this show was airing.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I completely agree. I tell them the exact same
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Speaker 2: thing when it comes to Gazelle. Championed her for that,
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Speaker 2: and I took her own advice. I deleted every one
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Speaker 2: of my social media pages about a year ago. I've
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Speaker 2: been living without it and my life is a lot easier.
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Speaker 2: I'm not stressed out about what people think about me,
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Speaker 2: or I'm not comparing myself to anyone else. I'm just
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Speaker 2: sort of living my life and it feels really nice
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Speaker 2: to not have to worry about that sort of thing.
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Speaker 2: And I implored people on social media to recognize that
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Speaker 2: you're not seeing everything and that react to the things
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Speaker 2: that you want to react to. I understand you have opinions.
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Speaker 2: I want to hear your opinion. That's my opinion. We
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Speaker 2: get it. But like there is a line. I think
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Speaker 2: it's saying that somebody should kill themselves. You know, it's
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Speaker 2: saying somebody, yeah, the worst people are they should lose
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Speaker 2: their jobs, or they should rot in hell, or their
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Speaker 2: daughters should never speak to them, like things that are
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Speaker 2: just kind of gross. It just makes it's just for me.
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Speaker 2: It says so much more about your character than it
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Speaker 2: says about theirs.
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