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Patriots Draft Countdown: How Free Agency Moves Could Affect Draft Strategy, Recent Mock Drafts, Top QBs and TEs · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 4: The official fear sponsor of the New England Patriots. And
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  Speaker 4: we're excited here to be back in studio for another
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  Speaker 4: episode of Patriots Draft Countdown. Guys, we had free agency,
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  Speaker 4: a lot of moves made by the Patriots, specifically on
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  Speaker 4: the defensive side of the ball, and what we just
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  Speaker 4: want to discuss here is how's it gonna affect their
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  Speaker 4: draft plans? Paul, they were heavy on the defensive side
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  Speaker 4: of the ball. What are your takeaways and how they
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  Speaker 4: might affect the draft.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, starting to hear a lot of people being let's say, worried,
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  Speaker 5: might be an understatement about neglecting the offense. I have
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  Speaker 5: to think that they're going to lean a little bit
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  Speaker 5: more heavily on that side of the ball come draft time. Now,
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  Speaker 5: the problem with that is that's great in theory, but
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  Speaker 5: how does it work out in practice?
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  Speaker 2: Who's available?
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  Speaker 5: You need a left tackle, you need more than just
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  Speaker 5: a left tackle up front, you need a wide receiver.
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  Speaker 5: Will those spots be worthy of taking someone at number
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  Speaker 5: four with those positions? I should say that time will tell,
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  Speaker 5: but I have to think they're going to weigh heavily
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  Speaker 5: on offense.
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  Speaker 6: Mike Evan, you.
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  Speaker 4: Put out another mock draft this week. How did the
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  Speaker 4: free agency affect your thoughts.
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  Speaker 2: That went into this Monck draft?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, offense. Offense was the first two picks. I mean,
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  Speaker 7: I took Campbell and Jayden Higgins from ioways stay with
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  Speaker 7: my first two picks. But I think that's really what
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  Speaker 7: it came down to when I did that mock drafts
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  Speaker 7: order of operations, like at which position do you want
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  Speaker 7: to address first? Obviously it's going to depend on which
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  Speaker 7: player you have great at higher you know, is it
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  Speaker 7: Ted McMillan, and then a tackle, is it Campbell?
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  Speaker 2: And then a receiver.
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  Speaker 7: I think that's the direction that we're headed in. But
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  Speaker 7: it's just a matter of, you know, finding the value
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  Speaker 7: of where it hit those spots. You mentioned that they
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  Speaker 7: need more than just tackle. Do you think one of
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  Speaker 7: the benefits of this draft is a very good guard class,
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  Speaker 7: a very deep You could probably find a third or
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  Speaker 7: fourth round starters at guard in particular, especially with all
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  Speaker 7: the tackles that could be guards from college to the pros.
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  Speaker 7: So I feel pretty good about them finding another guard
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  Speaker 7: that can compete at left guard, maybe even somebody that
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  Speaker 7: can flex the center as well. It's gonna be those
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  Speaker 7: two positions though, and just what order do you go
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  Speaker 7: in and how do you find that best value there?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, let's took out to you matismos from this last
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  Speaker 4: week of free agency.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, the defense is all you want to say,
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  Speaker 6: taken care of now, but we still have questions at receiver.
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  Speaker 6: The O line has some questions. I think some Patriots
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  Speaker 6: fans were a little upset that there are some trades
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  Speaker 6: made around the league, and I think the Patriots maybe
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  Speaker 6: could have got involved in that. But I mean, now
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  Speaker 6: it's April. See what happens at receiver.
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  Speaker 4: So coming up later in the show, Matisa and Chris
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  Speaker 4: Cassidy satdown broke down some of the mock drafts. How
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  Speaker 4: teams are you know other I guess pundits around the
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  Speaker 4: league view what the Patriots are gonna do. But guys,
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  Speaker 4: it seems like we're always kind of coming back to
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  Speaker 4: the same names up there at fourth.
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  Speaker 2: Overall.
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  Speaker 4: For me, though, it seems like a no brainer if
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  Speaker 4: Travis Hunter or Abdul Carter is there. And I know
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  Speaker 4: we've been saying this for months now, but if those
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  Speaker 4: two guys are there, Paul is, are those the slam
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  Speaker 4: dunk guys? Is that the best case scenario one of
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  Speaker 4: those two.
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  Speaker 3: They would be.
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  Speaker 5: For me, I absolutely would jump all over Travis Hunter
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  Speaker 5: if he were to slip to four. Mike, I'm a
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  Speaker 5: little bit more interested in what you might do if
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  Speaker 5: those two guys were to not be on the board
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  Speaker 5: at number four.
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  Speaker 4: Well, that's the hard decision, and I put out a
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  Speaker 4: mock traft last week that we'll get into it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure Matisa and.
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  Speaker 4: Chris are going to tear it apart, but you know,
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  Speaker 4: just making a case or at least bringing up the
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  Speaker 4: discussion for you know, player like Ashtrion genty in. Look,
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  Speaker 4: I understand running back, it's a devalue position a little
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  Speaker 4: bit this year, and the Patriots have a lot of needs.
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  Speaker 2: Though, it's just standing out.
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  Speaker 4: In my eye that the Patriots were a terrible run
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  Speaker 4: team last year, and that might be a way to
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  Speaker 4: support Drake May.
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  Speaker 2: But I think there are a.
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  Speaker 4: Lot of, you know, different options. We've talked about Daniel
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  Speaker 4: Jeremiah his view of this draft going from ten to
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  Speaker 4: thirty even not a lot of change. So it really
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  Speaker 4: puts I think, have pressure on the scouting staff to
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  Speaker 4: get it right. We don't want to be looking back
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  Speaker 4: five years from now and saying, man, we had the
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  Speaker 4: stud staring at us in the face at fourth overall
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  Speaker 4: and we were trying to fill a need, or we
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  Speaker 4: went away from our board and we tried to make
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  Speaker 4: something work. I think they just have to nail this
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  Speaker 4: pick and get a talented player.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, there's always a chance that that happens in any draft,
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  Speaker 7: that somebody slips through the cracks or falls a little
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  Speaker 7: bit that ends up being, you know, a great generational player.
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  Speaker 7: But I think in a draft like this, fit is
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  Speaker 7: going to be a big part of it, whether that's
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  Speaker 7: positional needs or just to fit in your system and
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  Speaker 7: in your program. And I think for a guy like
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  Speaker 7: Mike Rabel that is going to hold some weight in
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  Speaker 7: this draft because there's not a big talent gap between
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  Speaker 7: the others, not Abdul Carter and Travis Hunter, but everybody else,
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  Speaker 7: character and intangibles and fit in. How he's going to
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  Speaker 7: help them, you know, and run this program and establish
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  Speaker 7: this program might end up being as a big factor
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  Speaker 7: in this decision because you might look at the board
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  Speaker 7: and you might say, picks four through twelve, we kind
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  Speaker 7: of have everybody graded similarly.
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  Speaker 2: So what are going to be the deal breakers?
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  Speaker 7: The position that they play, and if the staff likes
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  Speaker 7: the guy or not, right like, those are going to
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  Speaker 7: end up ultimately being the deal breakers. And that's why
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  Speaker 7: when I hear just pick the best player available, I
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  Speaker 7: don't know if that necessarily applies to a draft like this.
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  Speaker 5: And that's an interesting factor that Evan brings up because
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  Speaker 5: there are a lot of people that see this as
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  Speaker 5: a very level draft in terms whatever number you want
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  Speaker 5: to go down to. Is it four, is at five,
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  Speaker 5: you know, ten to forty? Is it more like four
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  Speaker 5: to forty. There's a lot of people that think there's
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  Speaker 5: not a lot to choose from these different guys. So
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  Speaker 5: the factors that Evan's talking about might make the difference
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  Speaker 5: as to where you lean and Mike, I think you
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  Speaker 5: made a really good point about the draft in general,
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  Speaker 5: and it's true every year you have to make sure
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  Speaker 5: you hit on the picks so you can do what
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  Speaker 5: Evan said in say Campbell and Hawkins with your first
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  Speaker 5: two picks and say, well, we're addressing the offense.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's if.
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  Speaker 5: Those two guys can play so and there's no guarantees
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  Speaker 5: of that, and that's what makes it a little bit
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  Speaker 5: more difficult. And I think the challenge this year is
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  Speaker 5: finding difference making players regardless of position. That's why I
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  Speaker 5: kind of lean on the best player available. But I
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  Speaker 5: understand what Evan's talking about with fit and culture and
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  Speaker 5: all those other things, because there's not a lot to
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  Speaker 5: choose from between say Tep McMillan and Tyler Warren and
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  Speaker 5: Ashton genty and and you know, Will Campbell this. You know,
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  Speaker 5: there's something for everybody. It depends on what your preference
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  Speaker 5: happens to be.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, like Tech McMillan, sorry Duce, but like Teed McMillan
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  Speaker 7: is such a great example of the fit thing because
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  Speaker 7: he would be the first receiver since Mike Evans in
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  Speaker 7: twenty fourteen to go top fifteen that ran a four
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  Speaker 7: or five plus in the forty yard dash. So when
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  Speaker 7: you draft Tep McMillan, you have to have a plan
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  Speaker 7: of how are we going to use Tep McMillan, How
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  Speaker 7: does he fit into our offense?
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  Speaker 2: And if Josh McDaniels says he's not really my.
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  Speaker 7: Type of receiver, then you don't reach on a player
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  Speaker 7: like that in a draft like this because of that.
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  Speaker 2: So, like there's so many examples of that.
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  Speaker 7: You know, Mason Graham, does he have too much overlap
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  Speaker 7: with Milon Williams? Like is there going to be redundancy
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  Speaker 7: there that now all of a sudden, there's value just
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  Speaker 7: isn't as high to the Patriots.
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  Speaker 2: So you have to be careful in this draft.
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  Speaker 7: I think of, you know, what's the plan for this player,
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  Speaker 7: what's the vision, where's the playing time for him? You know,
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  Speaker 7: where is his role going to be in your offense
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  Speaker 7: or your defense? Because if you can't make the player work,
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  Speaker 7: then then you're in a really tough spot.
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  Speaker 4: He's free agency isn't quite over yet though, and there
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  Speaker 4: are still some players out there. Kim Robinson's a popular name,
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  Speaker 4: you know, Amari Cooper, Stefan Diggs. The Patriots could still
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  Speaker 4: make some additions. Do you feel like they still have
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  Speaker 4: some holes to plug. With some of those veterans who
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  Speaker 4: might cost you a little bit more money, you might
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  Speaker 4: not quite get the return you want.
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  Speaker 6: I think there are definitely some holes, but we've whiffed
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  Speaker 6: on so many receivers. I think a guy like Stefan Diggs,
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  Speaker 6: you faced him for the past three years in Buffalo,
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  Speaker 6: you played him again last year with the Texans, like
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  Speaker 6: I think bringing somebody in like that brings a lot
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  Speaker 6: of value to the team. Similar with a Marii Cooper
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  Speaker 6: and Mac Hollins kind of brings that in. But you
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  Speaker 6: gotta hit nail head there.
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  Speaker 4: All right, Well, that's gonna do it here at this
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  Speaker 4: first segment. But we've got a jam Pack show. Hope
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  Speaker 4: you'll stick around. We got Evan's got a film breakdown
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  Speaker 4: coming up, and then later in the show we'll also
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  Speaker 4: break down the quarterbacks in addition to Chris and Matis
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  Speaker 4: breaking down the recent mock draft. So jam Pack Show,
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  Speaker 4: check out Evan's film review here.
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  Speaker 7: What's up, everybody, It's Evan Lazarre. Welcome into the Page
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  Speaker 7: Treats Draft Countdown film Room. We're gonna talk about the
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  Speaker 7: tight ends here today. My top five tight ends in
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  Speaker 7: this draft. We're gonna break all these guys down individually
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  Speaker 7: here in a second, But I want to start at
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  Speaker 7: the top with Penn State's tight end Tyler Warren, top
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  Speaker 7: ten projected pick in this class. We get to his
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  Speaker 7: film here and show you why he's so highly coveted
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  Speaker 7: here in this draft cycle. And I look at Tyler
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  Speaker 7: Warren a couple different things that stand out about him
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  Speaker 7: on film, the first one being we can play bully ball.
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  Speaker 7: We can just be a man amongst boys. This is
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  Speaker 7: gronk esque from him in the red zone. So we're
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  Speaker 7: gonna just run the sem here out of the slot.
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  Speaker 7: And as we roll this play, we're gonna get off
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  Speaker 7: some physical coverage. We're gonna get up the seam, and
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  Speaker 7: we're just gonna make ourselves available. We're gonna high point
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  Speaker 7: the ball over the defender in massam. Right. That's what
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  Speaker 7: we can do at six foot five, two hundred and
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  Speaker 7: sixty pounds that other tight ends simply cannot do. Now,
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  Speaker 7: we know he can play bullyball, we know he can
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  Speaker 7: out muscle guys. But I also think that he's got
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  Speaker 7: some bursts and some wiggle at the top of the route.
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  Speaker 7: So he's gonn run a litle option here, get himself open,
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  Speaker 7: and then turn up the field. Nice little inch concept
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  Speaker 7: there by Penn State, and then this next clip right
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  Speaker 7: now show off that versatility. Now, I don't think that
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  Speaker 7: the wildcat is gonna be a big part of what
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  Speaker 7: he's gonna bring to the table if he's drafted by
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  Speaker 7: the Patriots. But the reason why I want to show
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  Speaker 7: you him operating in the wildcat is because of how
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  Speaker 7: smooth and explosive he is as a ball carrier in
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  Speaker 7: the open field. Again, remember this is a six foot five,
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  Speaker 7: two hundred and fifty plus tight end that is moving
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  Speaker 7: like a running back. And watch him tightrope the sideline
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  Speaker 7: and nearly get into the end zone here. That's pretty
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  Speaker 7: rare at that size. The last one here, we have
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  Speaker 7: the receiving ability, we have the yards after the catch,
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  Speaker 7: and the ball carrying skill. Let's get to the blocking
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  Speaker 7: right here on the end of the line of scrimmage,
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  Speaker 7: we're gonna get to We're gonna bump this guy over first.
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  Speaker 7: Then we're gonna get to the dB here on the outside.
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  Speaker 7: And look at the rushing waye that he creates right
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  Speaker 7: there for his running back.
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  Speaker 2: So you can block.
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  Speaker 7: He can catch passes. He can run with the football
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  Speaker 7: in his hands. That's why Tyler Warren is a projected
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  Speaker 7: top ten pick in this year's class. A couple of
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  Speaker 7: other guys I want to highlight here before we wrap
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  Speaker 7: this up. Colson Lovelin from Michigan, big, big fan of his.
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  Speaker 7: He is more in Natt Travis Kelcey Brock Bauers archetype.
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  Speaker 7: If Tyler Warren is like baby Gronk, I would say
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  Speaker 7: Colson Lovelin similar to those guys. Explosive receiver bersie and
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  Speaker 7: his routes really can make big plays happen in the
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  Speaker 7: passing game. He's not a nothing blocker. I'd say he's
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  Speaker 7: an above average blocker. But really, what you're getting with
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  Speaker 7: Colson Lovelin is a jumbo receiver that can make big plays.
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  Speaker 7: A couple other guys here on day two. You want
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  Speaker 7: your seam runner, your crosser artist right there with Elijah
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  Speaker 7: Royo from Miami. Harold Fannin had that big year last year,
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  Speaker 7: record breaking season for Bowling Green. But the last name
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  Speaker 7: I want to highlight here is Mason Taylor. We know
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  Speaker 7: all about his father, Jason Taylor, from his days with
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  Speaker 7: the Miami Dolphins, he's a younger prospect, had a great
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  Speaker 7: Senior Bowl week, fantastic ball skills, really natural hands catcher
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  Speaker 7: there by Mason Taylor. So those are my top five
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  Speaker 7: tight ends. Tyler Warren obvious slee in play there at
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  Speaker 7: number four overall for the Patriots, but just in general,
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  Speaker 7: a really strong class.
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  Speaker 6: What's up, everybody, I'm a tease bowmen here with Chris Cassi.
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  Speaker 6: We got a new segment on the Patriots Draft Countdown
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  Speaker 6: of the Patriots mock drafts from the experts around the league.
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  Speaker 6: This is all available on the patriots dot com mock
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  Speaker 6: draft track. We want to talk about it live, so
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  Speaker 6: Chris our very own Mike do so we'll get started
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  Speaker 6: with it.
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  Speaker 3: Sure it up with money?
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  Speaker 6: Has the Patriots select an Ashton genty from Boise State?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, all right, this is my take on that.
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  Speaker 3: All right, Patriots will need a running back in this draft.
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  Speaker 3: In my opinion, I think there's a lot of running backs,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of depth there. I don't know if you
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  Speaker 3: take Ashton, gents have four. Yeah. My only thought here
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  Speaker 3: is there's more important needs to be filled and you
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  Speaker 3: need you need the ausome tackle. You need a left tackle.
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  Speaker 3: You got Morgan Moses. We can play right tackle forever,
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  Speaker 3: who has played right tackle forever.
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  Speaker 6: I wish you could play for it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but you need the wide receiver and you
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  Speaker 3: need the left tackle. You know, Travis Hunter is really
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  Speaker 3: appealing there at four Ashton Gentsy. I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: he really gets it done for you there. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: think there's more valuable options if you want to get
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  Speaker 3: Ashton gents maybe trade back some sort of scenario like that.
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  Speaker 6: But so I viewed genty as a luxury pick. I
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  Speaker 6: think if the Patriots sooner situation similar to the Bengals
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  Speaker 6: in twenty twenty one, I believe, where Joe Burrow hurt
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  Speaker 6: his knee, but the team was pretty set. They hurt
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  Speaker 6: his knee, they get Jamar Chase. Look where they are
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  Speaker 6: Patriots aren't in that situation. We have the quarterback, but
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  Speaker 6: we have so many other needs that I don't think
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  Speaker 6: it's the right pick.
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  Speaker 3: What I would compare it to as well, though, is
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  Speaker 3: like the Derrick Henry coming into the draft, like he
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  Speaker 3: has that much promise and he's that good at his position,
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  Speaker 3: but he needs to go to a team that specifically
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  Speaker 3: needs that needs to fill their running back hole.
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  Speaker 6: And that being said, Chris, we'll get to this in
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  Speaker 6: the next couple episodes. This is a pretty deep running
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  Speaker 6: back class. So if you if you pass on genty,
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  Speaker 6: you're good. But Deuce, I love the h the ambition,
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  Speaker 6: I like it. I like it got the pep talking.
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  Speaker 6: So Chris, we move on to Daniel Jeremiah mel kiper ESPN,
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  Speaker 6: and we also throw Evan Lazar in there with his
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  Speaker 6: mock Draft one point zero. Travis Hunter cornerback, wide receiver.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I think that's the most appealing pick YEP
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  Speaker 3: in this draft. I mean, you're one two punch in
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  Speaker 3: the draft in this twenty twenty five draft. Abdul Carter,
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  Speaker 3: Travis Hunter. I think those are your one two guy
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  Speaker 3: top two guys in the draft really can step up
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  Speaker 3: immediate starters depending on where they're putting them on the ball.
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  Speaker 3: Travis Hunter, as we're talking about right now, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: he could be your wide receiver one if he wanted
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  Speaker 3: to better himself. I think he needs to get his
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  Speaker 3: hands in a better spot. I think he's a little
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  Speaker 3: bit better defensively. That's just my opinion. But the Patriots
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  Speaker 3: need like both sides, you know what I mean. So,
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  Speaker 3: however you want to use him, I think Travis Hunter's
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  Speaker 3: your guy. You can kind of utilize it and work
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  Speaker 3: around it any way you want.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, he's optioned one B for me. One A we'll
• 13:53
  Speaker 6: get to later, but one be just him being a receiver.
• 13:56
  Speaker 6: That instinct really helps him be a cornerback as well.
• 13:58
  Speaker 6: But the Patriots added Carlton Davis, so you got Gonzo Davis,
• 14:01
  Speaker 6: you could put Travis Hunter there. So, hey, if you
• 14:03
  Speaker 6: get him, you're scary already.
• 14:05
  Speaker 3: If you want to use Travis Hunter as a wide
• 14:08
  Speaker 3: receiver primarily, you can still use him in your nickel package.
• 14:11
  Speaker 3: He is, like, he has so much experience playing both
• 14:14
  Speaker 3: sides of the ball. You could throw him out there
• 14:16
  Speaker 3: for twenty five percent of the defensive snaps in a
• 14:19
  Speaker 3: game and he'll be productive for you.
• 14:21
  Speaker 6: And Chris, So those are those are three big names there, Dan,
• 14:23
  Speaker 6: Jemiah melkiper Junior, and our own Evan Lazar. But we'll
• 14:27
  Speaker 6: get onto the pick number three. From mock draft number three,
• 14:32
  Speaker 6: we got Josh Edwards, Chris Japasso from CBS Sports, and
• 14:35
  Speaker 6: Evan Lazar's most recent mock draft two point zero which
• 14:38
  Speaker 6: just went up on Patriots dot Com. They have him
• 14:40
  Speaker 6: taking Will Campbell offensive tackle l now.
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: Now Will Campbell another guy. I mean, I don't want
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: do you want? Does Armlake matter? Absolutely? I don't think
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: it matters in the case for Will Campbell. I think
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: he's one of the best offensive line blockers in college football.
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: I think he's he's got great speed. Whatever you need
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: him to do, he'll do it. So that being said,
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: as a tackle, you could put him there, I'm sure
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: he'll be productive. Could he maybe be more productive on
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: an interior line position possibly, which we need now? Absolutely? Yeah, absolutely,
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: So you kind of have to gauge that situation. I
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: do think Will Campbell will be productive out of tackle spot.
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: Me personally, I don't know if I would go to
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: the Campbell route. I just I don't know. I feel like, again,
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: I'm so set on the Travis Hunter and.
• 15:32
  Speaker 6: Well, definitely Chris that being said, But that being said,
• 15:35
  Speaker 6: it's not the sexy pick. That's the least sexy out
• 15:37
  Speaker 6: of all of it. But he's he's a grinder and
• 15:39
  Speaker 6: people forget beginning of the year for twenty four. I mean,
• 15:42
  Speaker 6: he was consensus pick number one before Hunter hit the scene.
• 15:45
  Speaker 6: An Abdol Carter. So, I mean, I don't really believe
• 15:48
  Speaker 6: the arm length thing. I kind of put it like
• 15:50
  Speaker 6: DK Metcalf with the three cone drill. If he can play,
• 15:52
  Speaker 6: you can play. But I'd be okay with it. But
• 15:54
  Speaker 6: out of the people we've mentioned so far, my least favorite.
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, again, I like him a lot, but I think
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: there's more through left tackles in this draft.
• 16:02
  Speaker 6: Yep, all right, so Chris, we move on for me.
• 16:05
  Speaker 6: Pick one A. We got Field Yates, Charles Davis, Abdull Carter,
• 16:10
  Speaker 6: Penn State number four, overall.
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: Absolute menace on the field. I mean his body like
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: he's your pure edge rusher, Like he's the guy you
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: want to line up week one, and he's going to
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: have immedia production on the field. And I just think
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: on everyone's draft boards, regardless of needs, he's everybody's one one. Yeah,
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: it just comes down to what teams specifically need at
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: that point.
• 16:35
  Speaker 6: I mean, Chris, if the Titans take cam Ward, Browns
• 16:37
  Speaker 6: take Sudarry, you're getting one of those other three guys
• 16:40
  Speaker 6: we've said. That being said Abdul Carter, it kind of
• 16:43
  Speaker 6: reminds me of the twenty seventeen draft. The Browns took
• 16:46
  Speaker 6: Miles Garrett. They needed a quarterback. Listen, that draft had Mahomes, Watson,
• 16:52
  Speaker 6: Christian McCaffrey, and they picked Miles Garrett. And I think
• 16:55
  Speaker 6: the Patriots are their best spot because we have the quarterback.
• 16:58
  Speaker 6: So if we can take Abdol cart Are at four,
• 17:01
  Speaker 6: it's from the football guys, you run with it and
• 17:03
  Speaker 6: you're good.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: I agree. I think he's your one A. Like like
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: you said earlier, I think one A Abdula Carter, one
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: B Travis Hunter. And people are gonna be back and
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: forth on the Travis Hunter pick because they're like, oh,
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: well we have gone zone. Yes, we signed Carlton Davis.
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: Of course those are important, and people again are skeptical
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: at some points of Travis Hunter's wide receiver game. But
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: I just athletically and what you'd be able to do
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: with these guys on the field, I think those have
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: to year one A, one B.
• 17:30
  Speaker 6: So, Chris, this is just the week after free agency.
• 17:33
  Speaker 6: A lot more to come. More mock drafts have come.
• 17:35
  Speaker 6: Our next segment, we're gonna be doing our own three
• 17:37
  Speaker 6: round mock, so we'll let you know what we do.
• 17:39
  Speaker 6: We break that down, But guys, thanks for tuning in
• 17:41
  Speaker 6: let's get back to the rest of the Patriots Draft
• 17:42
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• 17:45
  Speaker 4: Okay, the first position we're breaking down here is the
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: position guys I'm glad that we got last year because
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: it's pretty barren out there as far as the quarterbacks
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: this year. Two guys atop the list though, cam Ward
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: Shadur Sanders, two guys that I think we're all hoping
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: that maybe go in the top five or sorry, top
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: three really and push down Abdul Carter or Travis Hunter
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: maybe to the Patriots. That's probably the most interesting thing
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: about these quarterbacks this year. But Paul's start with you,
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: just what are your impression with those top two guys.
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: I would think you nailed the setting there. That's exactly
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: what the Patriots are hoping for both of those guys
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: to go in the top three. I don't think it's
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: gonna happen because to me, it's really not the top
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: two guys. It's the top one guy, cam Ward and
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: then the next guy, Shado Sanders, and I do think
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: there's a gap between Sanders and the rest, but I
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: think there's also a gap between Ward and Sanders. So
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: I'm sort of intrigued. I liked cam Ward at Washington
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: State a lot. I didn't see him as much last
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: year in Miami. I know he was a little sort
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: of up and down. They had an explosive offense, but
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: there's a lot of skills there I think to work with,
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: and I think that you guys would know better coming
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: back from the combine a few weeks ago. It seems
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: like the NFL guys are a little bit more sold
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: on him than they are the rest.
• 18:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think you broke it down perfectly those tiers.
• 19:01
  Speaker 7: The question is just where does Schador fit into all
• 19:03
  Speaker 7: of this and what's his ceiling, what's his floor in
• 19:06
  Speaker 7: terms of where he goes in the draft. Cam Ward
• 19:08
  Speaker 7: feels like a top quarterback prospect a way that he's
• 19:11
  Speaker 7: being discussed by, you know, people that we spoke to
• 19:14
  Speaker 7: at the combine deuce and things like that. So he's
• 19:17
  Speaker 7: a he's got a free arm, you know, loose arm,
• 19:19
  Speaker 7: really can whip the ball anywhere from different arm angles,
• 19:22
  Speaker 7: has that whole like you know, gunslinger playmaker thing that
• 19:27
  Speaker 7: everybody likes nowadays, can run a little bit. I would
• 19:30
  Speaker 7: say that his skill set reminds me the most of
• 19:32
  Speaker 7: like a Russell Wilson type, you know, prime Russell Wilson,
• 19:35
  Speaker 7: with the way that he can throw the ball deep
• 19:36
  Speaker 7: and you know, move around and things like that. But
• 19:39
  Speaker 7: he's he's being talked about it a little bit differently
• 19:42
  Speaker 7: than the rest of this class. And if you're a
• 19:44
  Speaker 7: quarterback needy team, it's just a matter of, you know,
• 19:46
  Speaker 7: do you draft Shadoor Sanders in the first round or
• 19:48
  Speaker 7: do you draft a similar high floor guy like Will
• 19:51
  Speaker 7: Howard or something like that on Day two? And I
• 19:54
  Speaker 7: feel like that's where the Patriots are are circling, you know,
• 19:57
  Speaker 7: crossing their fingers that somebody jumps early Tez we.
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: Saw Should Sanders at the combine. Does not lack for
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: confidence at all. I said, I think he's got all
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: this dad's confidence, maybe not quite all his dad's skill.
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: But what do you think is Should would if this
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: was your team, would you make the move for him?
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: I am a chador guy, But that being said, this
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: is just it's not a strong class. You always see
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: quarterbacks be hyped up. Every year has shades of twenty
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: twenty two with Pickett and rock Party, which is funny
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: because Pickett just won a Super Bowl, won a Super
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: Bowl and party's mister irrelevant. But that being said, I
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: like Shador. He's more of a pro typical quarterback compared
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: to cam Ward. I think the question is if you're
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: one of those teams, is this the guy like you're
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: drafted in one or two? Is that like you're gonna
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: have to bank on him for a couple of years?
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: You want to go through the growing pains again, or
• 20:41
  Speaker 6: maybe get a better player like Abdol Carter or Travis Hunter,
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: which would be bad for the Patriots obviously, and then
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: deal with the growing pains.
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: So I was hoping you were gonna talk me into
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: the going overall.
• 20:51
  Speaker 7: Hey, I feel like I, you know, we come across
• 20:55
  Speaker 7: like Shador can't play at all.
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: Sometimes I think he's a good player.
• 20:58
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I just think that there's questions of out how
• 21:00
  Speaker 7: good of a player is he going to be?
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: What's his ceiling?
• 21:03
  Speaker 7: I think he's really polished actually for this point, you know,
• 21:06
  Speaker 7: pocket poised mechanics. He throws a good ball, but there
• 21:10
  Speaker 7: isn't that wow factor when you watch his tape.
• 21:12
  Speaker 6: Well, that being said too, he's playing behind a very
• 21:14
  Speaker 6: bad offensive line. That being said, some of the teams
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: draft him, would that would draft him don't have the
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: best line, but it'd be interesting to see if he
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: falls in the right place what his potential could be.
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, moving down the list a little bit, Jackson Dart.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Did you see him down to the Senior Bowl?
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: Oh?
• 21:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so you got to see the ball week ever apparently.
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: Well it was for a while there we were talking
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: about he's gonna elevate. It seems like that's maybe settled
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: in a little bit. He's that maybe I don't want
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: to say B level because I'm not sure that Shador
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: is at B level guy, but he's that maybe seems
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: like that third guy to come.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: He's the wild card.
• 21:43
  Speaker 7: You could fall in love with the traits with Jackson
• 21:45
  Speaker 7: Dart and I would totally understand it. If it was
• 21:47
  Speaker 7: seven on seven, Jackson Dart would would be a top
• 21:50
  Speaker 7: five pick, right. Like, guy can really sling it. He
• 21:52
  Speaker 7: throws a great ball, He's got a great arm. He
• 21:55
  Speaker 7: can throw on the run, he can throw from the pocket.
• 21:58
  Speaker 7: He really has no limitations from a physical standpoint. But
• 22:02
  Speaker 7: he played in one of those college air raid systems.
• 22:05
  Speaker 7: You know, there's a lot of RPO, there's a lot
• 22:07
  Speaker 7: of one read things that were going on for him
• 22:10
  Speaker 7: there at Ole Miss, so like he's going to have
• 22:12
  Speaker 7: to prove that, you know, he can do a little
• 22:14
  Speaker 7: bit more than I think some of the things he
• 22:16
  Speaker 7: showed in college at the next level. But he's got
• 22:19
  Speaker 7: a lot of traits that you can fall in love with.
• 22:21
  Speaker 7: And when you see him in a practice setting, like
• 22:23
  Speaker 7: down in Mobile where he's wearing a non contact jersey
• 22:26
  Speaker 7: and he's just kind of standing there throwing balls in practice,
• 22:29
  Speaker 7: I can tell why people would watch that and say,
• 22:32
  Speaker 7: this guy's got something going here.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: But you watch his.
• 22:35
  Speaker 7: College tape and it's just a roller coaster. It's just
• 22:37
  Speaker 7: a lot of ups and downs.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: I mean, from a pure skills standpoint, I think you
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: can make an argument he's more skilled than Sanders. But
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: everything Evan said is right in that whole Old Miss system.
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: And there's a reason why those quarterbacks and there's some
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: good guys with good skills, like Matt Carrall was a
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: guy obviously the Patriots fans are, you know, mildly familiar with.
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: There's a reason why different teams are giving those guys
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: opportunities because they were enamored with the skill sets. But
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: I think that the system down there, while it's a
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: very effective college system hasn't necessariarily translated. I think if
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: you look back to like Texas Tech, you know, the
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: old Mike Leech Air raid, you know.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Kind of a thing.
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: A lot of those guys just didn't work, you know
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: when they got to the NFL, and then all of
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: a sudden, Patrick Mahomes came. So maybe Jackson Dart's the
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: guy that sort of breaks them old. I'd be a
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: little bit more skeptical the way Evan sounded. I think
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: he can play. I think physically he's a guy I
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: wouldn't mind taking a chance on in day two as
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: a developmental guy. You mentioned Will Howard also, I would
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: be in on those guys as a developmental guy. But
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: if you think you're gonna like, oh, I'm gonna I'm
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: gonna beat the system. I'm gonna take Jackson Dart at
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: twenty two and I'm going to have my guy, I
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: don't think it's gonna work out for you.
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I want you don't need to believe in
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: this position too much. But you guys mentioned Will Howard,
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: Riley Leonard, two guys that faced each other in the
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: National Championship Game, and Quinn your is another name I
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: would just throw in there guys that are to have
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: some name brand recognition. But as we get to the draft,
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: you mentioned Will Howard is maybe a guy with a
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: floor and maybe worth working with. But what do you
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: guys think of those those three teas.
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: It's just interesting you see Quin yours, Will Howard, all
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: those guys, I wonder where they're gonna end up falling
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: because the drop is pre significant. You also have guys
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: like Jalen Milroe, Like, they all have some positive traits.
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: So I think they're gonna end up in the fourth round,
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: like you could take a shot on them. But if
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: that case, you probably said a quarterback, they're gonna develop
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: for a couple of years.
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: Day three guys I would agree with with tease, and
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: you know I would. You know, Tyler Shock is a
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: guy that you know, I don't know if if there's
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: ever been a more experienced quarterback.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Coming out of college.
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: I mean seven seasons three at Oregon, three at Texas Tech,
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: and last year at Louisville. Maybe he's too old.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: I really liked him at the Combine in the podium,
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: I just found him. I thought he presented himself well, you.
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: Know, obviously, you know everybody looks at Jayden Daniels. Now
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: you know he played six years and how you need
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: that experience and.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: That's how you do it. So maybe he'll get a
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: look as a Day three guy. Maybe not, I don't know.
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: But he's a guy that sort of had some periods
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: of productivity in college.
• 25:04
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you mentioned the Howards, the Leonards. I think those
• 25:07
  Speaker 7: guys are backups to maybe low end starter talents just
• 25:11
  Speaker 7: in terms of their ceiling. But Tyler Show is one
• 25:14
  Speaker 7: of those guys that had six foot five, two hundred
• 25:16
  Speaker 7: and twenty five pounds, and.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: You watch his tape.
• 25:19
  Speaker 7: He's like kind of the Draft Knicks favorite quarterback in
• 25:21
  Speaker 7: this class because he just makes some throws that are
• 25:23
  Speaker 7: just you know, from ridiculous arm angles and stuff like that.
• 25:26
  Speaker 7: There's one of him in the red zone where I
• 25:28
  Speaker 7: don't really know if a human arm is supposed to
• 25:30
  Speaker 7: go at that angle, and he just like kind of
• 25:32
  Speaker 7: flips it almost like underhand to a receiver. And so
• 25:35
  Speaker 7: he does a lot of that kind of stuff on
• 25:37
  Speaker 7: tape that gets clipped and put on Twitter and things
• 25:39
  Speaker 7: like that, and makes the rounds.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: The other guy.
• 25:42
  Speaker 7: I think that has some upside that teams could take
• 25:44
  Speaker 7: a chance on his Jalen Milroe, I just look at him.
• 25:47
  Speaker 7: His ability to run obviously is a big part of it.
• 25:50
  Speaker 7: But if you build an offense around him like Philly
• 25:53
  Speaker 7: did with Jalen Hurts, and it specializes in the things
• 25:56
  Speaker 7: that he can do, then I do think that you
• 25:58
  Speaker 7: could make a productive offense around Jalen Milroe. A little
• 26:01
  Speaker 7: raw still as a passer, but can really whip it,
• 26:04
  Speaker 7: can run. I would look at him as someone that
• 26:06
  Speaker 7: if you want to bet on trades, you know, those
• 26:08
  Speaker 7: two guys are the trades guys, and then Howard and
• 26:11
  Speaker 7: Riley Leonard and those guys are sort of the floor,
• 26:14
  Speaker 7: you know, backup types.
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: I mean, I agree with Evan also with Milroe. You
• 26:17
  Speaker 6: look at the beginning of the college season. I mean
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: they were saying he was going to go top five. So,
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: I mean the talent is there and it'll be very interesting.
• 26:24
  Speaker 6: Maybe gets that backup role, somebody gets hurt, give him
• 26:26
  Speaker 6: a chance, see what happens.
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, anybody else that I didn't mention that you guys
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: are a particularly interested in and not a big position
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: to need for the Patriots.
• 26:32
  Speaker 6: Patriots got lucky. That's all I'm gonna say.
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: True enough, Drake May last year, so that's going to
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: do it for the quarterback positional preview as well as
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: this episode of Patriots Draft Countdown. We'll back next week
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: when I have a jam packed episode