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Start Me Up: Writer, Sarah Wood · Start Me Up with Kimberley A. Johnson

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the Start Me Up podcast part of MSW Media in the sexy liberal podcast network.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm your host Kimberly Johnson in DC.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Today my returning guest is writer Sarah Wood.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She has a special announcement, and then we're going to talk about all the things so before we get into it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now please enjoy my conversation with Sarah Wood.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back to the show, Sarah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hello, thank you for having me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's good to have you and I said in the intro.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that you've got an announcement.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm curious, and you posted about, you posted about your announcement on Facebook that I am aware of.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure you posted everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So tell everybody what it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I posted a few places, well, I have started a new business, and it's a social media strategy business.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So basically, I'm looking to help either campaigns or causes, progressive campaigns and causes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, help them with social strategy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Elevator.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Their voices.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's and help them really get out there in an organic way, mainly because a lot of times people will pay to play, but that doesn't usually pay off in the long run.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good short term, especially if you want to have a few followers, but if you want those followers to engage.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, or they can hire me to run their social media.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's pretty cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, or I can like advise, there's different tiers of involvement, all the whole, the whole thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it's called Relivate Strategies and you can go to Relivate Strategies.com and it will tell you all the things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I wish you well and I have no doubt you'll find success because you're very good at what you do and so, um, you know, good luck to you and oh my best.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, all right, so one of the things that I want to start the show, um, and it's funny because I, what I wrote down to my notes is we're not out of the woods and your last name is what and it just occurred to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But we're not out of the woods yet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're still in the thick of fuckery, right, of fascism, fuckery.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But, and then, and then also, you know, the last couple of weeks have been terrible and we will talk about Charlie Kirk in a minute.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't remember
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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't even talked about Charlie Kirk really, I don't think because last week, well maybe I did, I think I talked about it with Jody, but regardless, that was hard, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a very difficult week when he got shot and we've experienced all kinds of shit, you know, I mean every day I was like thinking what's happened since Charlie Kirk's death and what a joke to even ask, I don't know, like a gazillion things have happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: yesterday or was like the day before yesterday I saw that Robert Reich wrote the sleeping giant is awakening and his it was a subsdeck and it was all about how mega is starting to wake up to Trump then I see the tide is turning this week by Heather Cox Richardson which is also she referenced
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[SPEAKER_00]: Robert Reich's piece, and then she also said, well, this is something I've been seeing for the last couple of years that yes, people are waking up, the tide is turning, Trump's popularity is down, blah, blah, blah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I saw this was really fascinating.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is on YouTube, and it says MAGA Christians are turning on Trump for two reasons.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, this was Park Rose Permiculture.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're not following her on YouTube, I highly recommend it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She is fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: about, you know, not only just breaking down things in politics, but she's helping, she helps me, and she talks about like, indivisible and things people can do because I think sometimes if you're not familiar with websites like, uh,
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[SPEAKER_00]: indivisible or whatnot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not just about knocking on doors in elections.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They offer up ways to like work with your community, help keep vulnerable people safe, you know, help with food drives.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All these different things you can do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you're feeling like I don't know what to do, please visit indivisible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's indivisible.org and
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[SPEAKER_00]: just look at the different options because there's so many options but anyway so this particular video was fascinating so first it was this mega Christian woman and I guess it was on TikTok and she was talking about how she was a full-blown Trump supporter she did all the things she went you know to as an inauguration she campaigned for him she donated everything you could do to support
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[SPEAKER_00]: and now she as a Christian woman has realized that he's the devil and he's evil and everybody in his you know all the people who are working with him are evil and they're terrible and they've all been fooled and so you know she's making this big statement telling everybody look he's not who we thought he was
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[SPEAKER_00]: but what was most fascinating was the woman who goes by Park Rose permaculture, I don't remember her name.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She started showing us the comments.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the comments were just one after the other, after the other, after the other.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Of all these religious people, all these Christians, saying things like, well, liberals and conservatives,
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[SPEAKER_00]: aren't ever going to agree on everything, but we have to learn how to live together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were all in agreement with her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were basically saying we've been cond, we have to move away from this division.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So her all point to this video was somebody had sent it to her and she was amazed by it and she's like, you know, is this real?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, is this a thing?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess she's just going to be keeping her eye on it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: this is all to say that again we are still not out of the woods we are dealing with all kinds of chaos and craziness but there's this sense from people that I trust like I said Heather Cox Richardson and Robert Reich specifically that the tide is turning so I wanted to ask you I mean obviously like I said there's shit going on and it's awful but are you feeling that or how are you feeling?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's odd, like some days I'm like, what the fuck is happening?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it just feels like, like, up is down and like, just right and like, well, not left is right, but like, left is where.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But just like, it just feels like bizarre land.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, other times I'm like, oh, people are waking up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The people are gonna fight back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I said the other day on Blue Sky, I was like, it feels like we're in a superhero movie, we're the villain of winning, we're at that point where the villain is really winning
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[SPEAKER_01]: the people wake up and begin to fight back and I think we're
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[SPEAKER_01]: getting to that crest.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're seeing that boycotts of Disney and Hulu work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have to use all the enough capitalism, fix our country.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's what I've been saying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, hit them where it hurts, hit them at their bottom line, and they're gonna wake up real fast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because right now, especially when you saw all those tech billionaires up with Trump at the inauguration,
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[SPEAKER_01]: they were looking at their bottom line through him thinking he's going to be best for our bottom line.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if we can switch that to be like Trump's going to hurt our bottom line, that's when we can really really make an impact.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because that, you know, when they made the announcement that Jimmy Kimmel was coming back on, I said something, what did I say?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Capitalism Trump's fascism, and the thing is is that, you know, for good reason we've all been complaining about capitalism.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And frankly, I don't really have a problem with capitalism as long as it's regulated, as long as the billionaires pay their fair share.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it used to be that you would make, let's just say you made up to, you know, 999 mom one over the million dollars or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then or anything over a billion dollars would be taxed by 90% or whatever it would be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you still get to have all of you get to have a lot of your money.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the taxing of the billionaires, the taxing of the corporations and taking corporations out of politics and all that stuff, I don't have a problem with capitalism if that's how it's going to go, if it's going to be regulated, but if it's just unbridled and it gets to do whatever it wants.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, like I like to call us now, we the consumers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We the consumers used our power and we used capitalism to fight fascism, although I think it's important to note that if it ever does, like you were saying, all those oligarchs standing with Trump, because they believed that
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[SPEAKER_00]: that capitalism would benefit from capitalism, but it can be the other way around.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that I've heard talk of general strike.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know we're not there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not even close to getting to something like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the more that people realize that they can
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[SPEAKER_00]: change things and that they can make a difference with their wallets.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we've seen it with Target and, you know, they've lost money consistently since they got rid of their DEI.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, I feel hopeful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know what you mean because it's like everything is terrible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But one of the points that they make and that the Park Rose Prima culture has been making is that when we see Trump
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[SPEAKER_00]: doing all these crazy things and you know trying to scare the shit out of us it's kind of an indication that he's afraid i mean his numbers are in the toilet and he's just trying and they they push and they wait to see what's going to happen and when there's a push back they back down
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think, you know, that that's, that's another indication that there, and then there's the thing I just won't stop talking but I can't help but because it's like there's the idea that we were all raised as Americans we were indoctrinated into the idea that we live in a democracy and we have liberty and even Ted fucking crews was defending free speech.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's how far Donald Trump is pushing it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, when you have, like, tech crews, they think like, dude, you've gone too long.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You've gone too long.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because here's the thing is, like, I've been preaching for decades that, like, consumers of the job creators.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, if you have an economy where people can't afford to live, which is what we're in right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to lose jobs and we're going to all this stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like we, if you, I can go on for hours.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And bottom line we can't bottom line no pun intended use capitalism to fight back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We absolutely can.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If they're going to use it as a tool, it as a tool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know what, I just, I have to get on my soapbox just for a minute because I do not tolerate the ears out there that
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[SPEAKER_00]: Declare democracy is dead and so I I said something on my Facebook page and I said you know I'm gonna block the people who are doomed dooming in my comments.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this woman comes on and she's like, you Always say that you're gonna block people and I don't you know whatever and she said you know It's good for you that you're so secure about democracy, but some of us aren't
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, initially, I said, well, the reason I talk about blocking people is because I've got a lot of followers and I don't know them all personally.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I can't, you know, I just make blanket statements because I want people to know, I'm not tolerating this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you, if you want to be due on your page, go for it, but don't do it on mine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do get pushed back on this occasionally because people say, well, I'm afraid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So here's where I want to clarify.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think there's anything wrong with talking about the fact that you're worried or you're afraid or you're concerned.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is very different than saying democracy is dead and we are toast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a declaration.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, and the thing is, I also don't know since I have followed, you know, a thousand of followers that I don't know, many of us do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if this is a, like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: whether it's Russian or Republican or whatever, but you have internet trolls that want to intentionally dampen enthusiasm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't want anybody because it's contagious.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like I posted on Facebook, it's like you could be in a really bad mood, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're feeling like oh my god, everything's over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so scared, I'm so scared, and then you see three or four people going, it's over, democracy's over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to feel like solidified in that more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to be like, yeah, you know what it is, it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then when we come from that point, and it's clearly not over yet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, right now we're living in a fascist country, 100%.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But that doesn't mean we're not going to get democracy back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so there's human psychology here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when you have declared and decided, this is the way it is, then that is what you're acting from.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the point of your acting from.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That leaves out any possibility that democracy could come back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You've just closed the door on democracy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And obviously you're free to do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're not free to do that on my page because I'll delete it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you're free to think that way, but again, my point is not about, you know, everybody's, I feel fear every day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm concerned.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm worried.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what's going to happen in the long run.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I have, you know, I can have hope.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can, I can see signs of light.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But until it's done, it's not done and we don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So just, you know, please, if you're feeling doomed, just,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Post that, just say, I'm feeling afraid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm feeling worried, but don't say it's over because first of all, that's not necessarily true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're just helping other people to shut down when you do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you're going to be on the other side when you do that, but they want, they want you to give up, they want you to give up hope because then they've won because you think about like, how did it happen in Germany?
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[SPEAKER_01]: How did it happen?
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[SPEAKER_01]: How did so many people?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you had the people who fell in line really quickly like all the red caps here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But then like over time and because like Nazi Germany didn't happen overnight happened right the course of decades and.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You saw people slowly just giving up and think this is the way that it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if I want to survive, I have to do what they're telling me to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the fact is, we're not there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We do have a voice and if we have a voice, we have a choice and we can push back still.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we can't have power like we can do consumer boycotts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we can do all these things still.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So hope isn't gone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We aren't lost.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what these people need to realize.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and you know, even if you have like 10 followers, it doesn't matter because thousands of people can still see your message if if someone retweets you or you know, whatever it is, even if you have three followers in your commenting on someone who has 10,000 followers, then your comment is likely going to be seen by thousands of people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so you influence people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think, you know, we live in this world where everybody just feels so isolated,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you feel like you don't have any impact, but you do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone impacts everybody else.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We all do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, it's normal to, we've never been through this before as a nation, but it is a normal feeling under the current circumstances to feel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I would be concerned if somebody was just like happy about everything that's happening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, it's awful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I think that there are
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, you know, you go back to the indoctrination of Americans as, you know, freedom, democracy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We are not a people that just lays down so easily.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm glad to see that people are fighting back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I have a feeling that in order to get to the next level to a much better democracy, it's going to,
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[SPEAKER_00]: require, I think, pain, you know, and we're feeling pain right now, whether it's the ice, whether it's the higher prices, whether it's, you know, I mean, they are trying to, what are they trying to do in schools?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Teach, I don't even remember what they're trying to do right now, what the heritage foundation is trying to do in public schools.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, there's a lot of pain all the way around.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and it's going to increase I think we're going to have more pain and there's going to be I think up a point where people finally just wake up and I want to throw this in there too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Greg Oliar keeps you know I want to I should say reiterate this Greg Oliar wrote a piece about Nazi Germany
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[SPEAKER_00]: saying that, you know, the one of the key differences to of the key differences were that A, there was not a government that resisted and we've got that in 1930's Germany plus there was no public resistance and we have that too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, I think we've got, I think we could, I think, you know, here's, I think the Democratic Party.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's on the right side of history.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And in some cases, I think that we've got real fighters and other cases, some of them are a little too timid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think ultimately, they would do well to get somebody in there in the, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: strategy focus on human psychology because that's what Republicans do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They understand human psychology and they use it as strategy and hope is great, but hope isn't enough in a fascist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Setting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not enough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's got to be, you know, people have to understand what we're up against.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Democrats would be, you know, Rachel bit of conferences this all the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We need to use fear, but not fear mongering, not fear in, they're going to take your guns, which is a lie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fear and, you know, we won't have Medicaid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, they are doing that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not going to have Medicaid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not going to have this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not going to have that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But
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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's what we will have and use the human psychology to talk to the public and I think that they would do better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I really do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wish they would incorporate it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I still think that right now what's happening with Donald Trump.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't look good, he's not healthy, and that's why I want to ask you about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I think we just to your other point though, it's like what I've always said too, is like, we're public and so the best at, the only thing they're good at is messaging.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so we're not always saying, we need to do the same, but for good instead of evil.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I know we've talked about his health before, but I mean, again, do you, you know, I think I think people are so used to seeing Don the Con, Teflon, Don, get away with everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so there's kind of this, I don't know, like, thought that, oh, nothing is bad going to happen to him because based on everything they've seen before, but let's just take all of the past and the story of Donald Trump and throw it away and just look at the
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just look at him now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Look at how he handled himself in front of the- he couldn't even fucking say a scene about a fin.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He can't even speak.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, like, there is this feeling that I have.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's just not going to make it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Was it, you know, I'm not saying he's going to die.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, he could have a stroke and not be able to talk anymore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are things that could happen to him based on his health.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm wondering, like, do you still feel like are you feeling like, yeah, the dudes just got, you know, only got a certain amount of time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, he doesn't look, I don't know how much time he has.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll know what he does.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just looking at like his symptoms, I'm what we can see.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and what health professionals have told us, like the bruising on the hand, that's indicative of like a major heart stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And like same with the ankles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So like he has something going on and like there was that weekend when we didn't hear from him and I'm thinking assumptions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he had a stroke.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I do think something happened and then he had this revitalization of energy and still seeing and I think
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[SPEAKER_01]: he obviously got some sort of treatment that is only like there's been speculation online like you hear like nurses say like maybe it's an LDAT and like other people that sort of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I do think he's being treated for something we don't know.
21:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I do think I don't know if we don't know how long he's going to let me know, but he knows.
21:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
21:31
[SPEAKER_00]: But I just don't see him making it to 2028.
21:33
[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't.
21:35
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, and when I say that, I mean, I'm not saying I think he's going to die.
21:38
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm saying, I don't think he's going to be able to be president until 2028.
21:41
[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't think he's going to, I don't think his health is going to hold that.
21:44
[SPEAKER_00]: And obviously, I could be wrong.
21:45
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, but, you know, that so much emphasis was put on fucking Joe Biden's health.
21:51
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, yeah, none of that's the hypocrisy of it.
21:55
[SPEAKER_01]: That's, yeah, like, did you see what he put up in the, in the freaking White House, the picture of the pen?
22:01
[SPEAKER_01]: No, there's like, like the hallway coming into the White House, it has all the presidents on it.
22:06
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you get to Obama and then God, and then there's another picture of Trump after Biden, but instead of a picture of Biden, it's a picture of the auto pen.
22:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, I hate.
22:16
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like this level of petty leg reaches levels.
22:23
[SPEAKER_01]: that like we've never seen it.
22:25
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like holy shit.
22:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Like there was this guy hugged as a child.
22:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he is so everything about what he does is something that's like hurt that he's felt himself.
22:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
22:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Like when you hear him, oh, it's just it's wild.
22:41
[SPEAKER_01]: You're just like, oh my god, why I wish he was hugged as a child.
22:43
[SPEAKER_01]: I wish he was getting therapist.
22:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he goes and
22:48
[SPEAKER_01]: whenever I just like I wrote something up loose guard just now where I forgot what it was.
22:53
[SPEAKER_01]: This is how short my memory is these days.
22:57
[SPEAKER_01]: But it was just like he needs to see it there up as big.
22:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it was about his ratings because like he keeps saying little ratings, everyone's ratings, little ratings, they should be off the air.
23:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know why he was cancel off MBC?
23:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Little ratings.
23:11
[SPEAKER_01]: because he's projecting, he's like, this is what got me off the air.
23:15
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm just gonna say, people have little ratings, and then they'll be kicked off the air.
23:19
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's something that hurt him, right?
23:21
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not like projecting onto others.
23:24
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's same with the autism stuff and I am like, I don't know for a certain, this is all speculation, but I am a former autism educator and I've said from the beginning when I've watched Bayer and Trump, he seems to be on the spectrum.
23:38
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I've heard.
23:39
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I heard that too.
23:40
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I think Melania had somebody had posted something like that and she went after them.
23:45
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're not allowed to say it, but not allowed to say it, apparently.
23:48
[SPEAKER_01]: But as a former autism educator, I saw some signs that would be indicative that he might be so allegedly, right, but yeah.
23:57
[SPEAKER_01]: And so therefore is the sun right.
24:00
[SPEAKER_01]: And now we're saying title, when women checking Tylenol leaves autism.
24:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so there you're blaming Melania.
24:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like, oh, and the MMR needs to be spaced out.
24:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, they are your blaming vaccines.
24:10
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like God forbid you blame something about himself.
24:13
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's like, here's the thing.
24:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Autism isn't a disease.
24:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
24:18
[SPEAKER_01]: It's something, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's just different.
24:21
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a normal type.
24:22
[SPEAKER_01]: I call it a superpower because if you've ever worked with these kids and adults,
24:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, it's a fucking superpower, and that's what I keep trying, like, stop, like, why are we trying to fix them?
24:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing wrong with them.
24:35
[SPEAKER_01]: They're fucking interesting.
24:36
[SPEAKER_01]: They just have a different perspective.
24:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's the way they see, oh, I saw a joke online, or a child with autism was gotten trouble by his teacher, because the teacher was like, oh, what would your parents say if I called them right now?
24:49
[SPEAKER_01]: And the kid goes, hello?
24:55
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, it's so true, that is what they were.
24:59
[SPEAKER_00]: That's so funny.
25:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, I mean, that, oh my God.
25:03
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't even, like, the fucking RFK, he's so awful.
25:06
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know, you know, I mean, I don't even know what happens.
25:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, let's say Donald Trump for whatever reason is no longer the president and J.D.
25:12
[SPEAKER_00]: had to take over.
25:13
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, does RFK stay?
25:15
[SPEAKER_00]: God, can we get rid of him?
25:16
[SPEAKER_00]: He's so awful.
25:17
[SPEAKER_00]: I just can't even take it.
25:19
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't even take it.
25:19
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, and Dr. Oz, like, I saw that old press conference.
25:23
[SPEAKER_01]: That was like,
25:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Holy shit.
25:25
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like idiocracy too.
25:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the return of idiots.
25:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't like this is diswild.
25:32
[SPEAKER_01]: That to be up there being like, Bronto is, it's what, what is it like the bronto?
25:38
[SPEAKER_01]: It's what you crave.
25:39
[SPEAKER_01]: It has a right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so I want to switch the conversation over to, there was this tweet by a woman, I don't know her, so forgive me, she's got a blue check on X, which means nothing, but Tara Paul Mary, I don't know who she is.
26:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but she looks like she was on MSNBC and she said the Epstein survivors are fed up.
26:29
[SPEAKER_00]: They're using Washington's own playbook opposition research on lawmakers blocking the Epstein files.
26:34
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm publishing the first piece in the reckoning series in the red letter on a GOP senator with close ties to Galane Maxwell.
26:42
[SPEAKER_00]: So, um, I think that's interesting because, okay, first of all, I want to say it with Charlie Kirk, right?
26:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody, the right before Charlie Kirk
26:53
[SPEAKER_00]: the washing was at the Wall Street Journal posted that birthday book.
26:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
26:59
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was so awful.
26:59
[SPEAKER_00]: So it was everywhere.
27:01
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're seeing disgusting, disgusting cards and notes and wink-wink pedophile jokes from all of Jeffrey Epstein's friends.
27:11
[SPEAKER_00]: and it's all over the internet and then all of a sudden Charlie Cook gets murdered on camera basically and then no one's talking about it.
27:19
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's kind of gone away except for the fact that yeah we're not letting it go.
27:23
[SPEAKER_00]: People are kind of keeping it alive by mentioning it and using you know, Tylenol memes and putting them together with
27:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Epstein memes so and you know, and I knew that the survivors had said I don't know when they said it was at an august when they all spoke and they said that they were going to be making their own list So I think you know that there's this concern that Epstein is gonna go away.
27:46
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not going away It's not going anywhere
27:50
[SPEAKER_01]: The Democrats just had a special election.
27:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that's going to help them get the list out.
27:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, is that what there was a woman who won a special election in Arizona?
27:59
[SPEAKER_00]: So is she going to be a deciding vote or is she just going to be one more?
28:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know?
28:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure.
28:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't.
28:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't confirm.
28:08
[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen people post about it being like she's a
28:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's wild.
28:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, I have my own theories about things and I don't want to get conspiratorally, but no, I'm not.
28:25
[SPEAKER_00]: No, let's just get a little conspiratorial because I'm not.
28:28
[SPEAKER_01]: On the day, Charlie Kirk was brutally murdered.
28:31
[SPEAKER_01]: He, they were also at the very same time voting about the abstain list at the same day, which by the way, Charlie Kirk wanted released.
28:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which Charlie Kirk wanted released.
28:44
[SPEAKER_01]: And big, which, yeah, and it was just a while to me that I'm like, that story got about the vote, got completely buried.
28:52
[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't even get an ounce of sunlight besides some liberal circles who knew about the vote.
28:59
[SPEAKER_00]: There's all kinds of weird shit going on.
29:01
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like, look, I don't like to get all conspiratorial either, although our minds will go to that when we don't have answers.
29:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Then we just start wondering, what about this?
29:09
[SPEAKER_00]: And then someone offers up, I mean, I look at the last August, was it August and Pennsylvania, at Butler, Pennsylvania?
29:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Do I believe that that was an actual assassination attempt?
29:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't trust that.
29:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, this new thing is here's fine.
29:25
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't trust it at all.
29:27
[SPEAKER_00]: I've never, initially, I totally believed it.
29:30
[SPEAKER_00]: And the reason I believed it was because I thought Trump will never put himself in a position where he would be in line of a bullet.
29:38
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, number one, he might not have been in on it.
29:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Number two, I don't put anything fucking past them.
29:44
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't put anything past them.
29:46
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think that's the, that's the sad place that we're in right now
29:50
[SPEAKER_00]: No matter what kind of crazy ass conspiracy that you could come up with, I mean, anything is plausible with him, because they are so horrible and corrupt.
29:59
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's weird, because feminist news posted about Charlie Kirk's funeral, it's much more striking who didn't speak at Kirk's funeral.
30:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Neither of his parents, no siblings, no old friends, just as wife Carlson and a whole line up of Trump people, he may be new, getting in their talking points.
30:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, it was a political rally.
30:16
[SPEAKER_01]: That was a horror member.
30:17
[SPEAKER_01]: It was the fact it was so bizarre watching that like I didn't watch the whole thing.
30:22
[SPEAKER_01]: I just got like the snippets of whatever on like when people posted videos.
30:27
[SPEAKER_01]: But I was like, what is it?
30:28
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just a political rally.
30:31
[SPEAKER_01]: They sold merch.
30:32
[SPEAKER_01]: They sold merch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: His wife came out to pirate techniques and I was like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's even happening.
30:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I don't want to bash her.
30:41
[SPEAKER_01]: There are a lot of things going around about her and people are discovering more about her, which is very fascinating.
30:47
[SPEAKER_01]: And people want to Google it, feel free to Google it and go down your own rabbit hole on that.
30:51
[SPEAKER_01]: I know I have, but I will respect a grieving widow and her choices to wear white because celebrating his life, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that was the sparklers too.
31:03
[SPEAKER_01]: But,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was very odd.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a political rally, and it was just, you would have thought like his parents would have been up there.
31:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like, you know, I don't know if you had siblings were like a cousin and why weren't thing.
31:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's it's just.
31:22
[SPEAKER_01]: It's odd to me.
31:24
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very odd to me.
31:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and it's, you know, I know someone who, I mean, they follow politics, but they're not junkies like us.
31:34
[SPEAKER_00]: So they don't like know all the details about everything, but they just get the broader picture.
31:39
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I was talking to him this weekend, and he was laughing at the whole Charlie Kirk thing and saying, not laughing at his murder, but laughing at the Republican response.
31:48
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're like, they're trying to turn him into a murder and like, most of the country doesn't even know who he is.
31:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they're trying to fucking put on my money.
31:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's, I was telling people, I'm like, oh, did you hear, it was like right after happened.
31:59
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, oh my god, did you hear the Charlie Kirkwood shot?
32:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I don't wish that, no, I wish it on anybody.
32:05
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, who, but exactly.
32:08
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, oh, you know that he's a right wing commentator.
32:11
[SPEAKER_01]: He has a podcast.
32:12
[SPEAKER_01]: He's been around for like a decade.
32:14
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like,
32:14
[SPEAKER_01]: He started as like a college kid and whatever and they're like we I have no idea who he is So that we have like half the country has no idea who we get.
32:21
[SPEAKER_00]: I think more than half the country doesn't know who he is And you know, I mean he's been thrust into this spotlight now because of his death, but I don't you know people don't know who he is even my mega relative Didn't know what he
32:35
[SPEAKER_00]: She wasn't aware of what he said.
32:36
[SPEAKER_00]: I think she knew his name, and I think she was probably aware.
32:39
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, she knew he died.
32:41
[SPEAKER_00]: But she had no idea of what he actually said.
32:44
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, these people that woman from the Washington Post, who was fired the opinion writer, didn't say anything negative about him.
32:50
[SPEAKER_00]: All she did was post his fucking quote, and then she lost her job.
32:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
32:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Because like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: He said some really fucking terrible things.
32:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, horrible.
33:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Not a fan of Charlie Kirk.
33:03
[SPEAKER_01]: No, not right all.
33:04
[SPEAKER_01]: No, not right all.
33:05
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you want to say?
33:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Just like I have like we have the way to say that's fucking terrible.
33:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
33:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Like talking about gay people and especially black people and women.
33:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
33:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
33:18
[SPEAKER_01]: And trans people, God.
33:20
[SPEAKER_01]: It's awful.
33:21
[SPEAKER_00]: It was awful.
33:22
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know what I mean?
33:24
[SPEAKER_00]: The day that it happened, I just, you know, I mean, when Jimmy Kimmel was talking about it in his comeback, you know, he said, his big comeback.
33:35
[SPEAKER_00]: But he kind of broke up, and he, you could tell that he said it really affected me deeply.
33:40
[SPEAKER_00]: It affected me deeply too, and I fucking hated Charlie Cook.
33:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I hated him.
33:45
[SPEAKER_00]: And I, well, you know what, I don't want to say I hated him because I really don't want to spend my time hating people.
33:50
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even what he did.
33:51
[SPEAKER_00]: I hated what he did.
33:53
[SPEAKER_00]: And I hated the things that he said.
33:54
[SPEAKER_00]: And I hated how he put vulnerable people at risk.
33:58
[SPEAKER_00]: And I hated all of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I, as soon as I heard that this happened, I heard that he was shot in the neck and I thought, oh shit, he's probably going to die.
34:08
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, I mean, how do you fucking survive being shot in the neck?
34:13
[SPEAKER_00]: And anyway, I said to Bob, I was like, this is so fucking bad.
34:17
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, this is so bad because I knew what the right was going to do with this.
34:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Fortunately, they can't turn this into a, they still are trying to make this into some leftist
34:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Or, you know, the fact that leftists are so dangerous or whatever, I knew they were going to do this.
34:37
[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought, oh my God, what are they going to declare in Marshall Law?
34:42
[SPEAKER_00]: What is the outcome of this?
34:44
[SPEAKER_00]: And I, you know, I mean, I think we've seen it and I don't think they're going to stop.
34:48
[SPEAKER_00]: But since this kid, you know, and I just want to point, I saw a video of one of these guys that went to school with him.
34:56
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was a, you know, I don't know, the guy I let, I don't know how the shooter or the alleged shooter I should say.
35:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, it's like 22 or something like that.
35:03
[SPEAKER_00]: So he had been out of high school for a while.
35:05
[SPEAKER_00]: So one of his high school, just somebody went, it wasn't even a friend.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just somebody who knew of him and saw him around, described him as a reddit guy.
35:15
[SPEAKER_00]: And he said, you know, there's a lot of them.
35:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Now I,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not young, I don't go to school anymore.
35:23
[SPEAKER_00]: And although I don't really read Reddit, I'm aware of Reddit, and I understand what it is.
35:27
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think the whole point was that this kid was first of all radicalized by the internet.
35:34
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sure he just, you know, he spent all his time, you know, and there was the whole group of things.
35:39
[SPEAKER_00]: If that's how you say it.
35:40
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how group or group or group or I don't know whatever it is that he was.
35:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Gorker, I don't know what it was, but it was, I don't know, yeah, Gorker or whatever.
35:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Gorker.
35:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, that, you know, it's that weird internet world and there's guns and oh, and then that this was interesting though.
35:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Chuh, uh, what's his name, Nick Fuentes, who is a white supremacist, and I do not like this man at all.
36:03
[SPEAKER_00]: And I talked about this on Bob Sasuke show, but I saw this clip from him, and he was talking about
36:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Charlie Kirk and I don't remember if it was before or after his death, but he was saying that Charlie gets all this credit for opening up a dialogue with young people and he's like that's not what he did.
36:24
[SPEAKER_00]: He basically manipulated everything.
36:28
[SPEAKER_00]: So he would go in there with an agenda.
36:30
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to talk about whether it was Gaza or guns.
36:33
[SPEAKER_00]: He would always have
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[SPEAKER_00]: this kind of like pre-made, I don't know if you would call it argument, but it was a manipulation and it was an agenda of how he was going to
36:44
[SPEAKER_00]: get to talk about what he wanted to, so it would go like this.
36:47
[SPEAKER_00]: He'd say blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and then he would get a question from the audience.
36:51
[SPEAKER_00]: And so the audience member would ask him, let's just say it was about Gaza, that's what Nick Fentre said.
36:55
[SPEAKER_00]: So the question would be about Gaza and then Charlie Kirk would then turn around and then ask that kid a question.
37:02
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was a question where he knew the answer and then he could then take the conversation in the direction that he wanted to.
37:09
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's exactly what he did.
37:10
[SPEAKER_01]: He was a great player who was like, he would just kind of be contradictory all the time, but it was very purposeful.
37:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
37:18
[SPEAKER_01]: He knew exactly the message.
37:19
[SPEAKER_01]: He was a messenger.
37:20
[SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't a debater.
37:21
[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't often, he didn't welcome free thought.
37:24
[SPEAKER_01]: He used people to spread his message.
37:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and he knows, you know, you go in, and if you have an understanding, whether he had it in an eight-lea or he learned it, but if you, you can turn conversations into anything you want them to be, and people don't even realize it's happening.
37:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Because if, you know, that's like he asks a question,
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[SPEAKER_00]: and to a person and he knows what they're going to say or he has an idea of how to take whatever they say and spin it around to go down that trajectory of whatever Charlie Kirk's point of view was and then everybody would watch that and think oh he's you know he's having a debate he's having this he wasn't he was manipulating the person he was talking to just so that
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[SPEAKER_00]: get him on the trajectory of exactly what he wanted to say.
38:12
[SPEAKER_00]: So there was that.
38:15
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I think that was interesting because that's another thing I want to throw in about the three points that I talked about in the beginning, Heather Cox, Richardson, Robert Reich, and Parker's permaculture talking about the good things.
38:28
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't necessarily think this is good, but it is good for, I think, democracy that there is a splinter within maga because there's like the
38:39
[SPEAKER_00]: those people and even what's his name Alex Jones kind of as part of it.
38:44
[SPEAKER_00]: So they're like, they're on one side of maga and then there's another side of maga and they're kind of at war with each other.
38:52
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's good.
38:55
[SPEAKER_00]: That's splinters them and it makes it difficult.
38:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Now I don't know what happens if we get JB as president.
39:03
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how
39:04
[SPEAKER_00]: that splinter, you know, where that goes.
39:07
[SPEAKER_01]: But if they're using him more, they're using a lot more in like, on camera or in events or everywhere.
39:15
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, what are they doing?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because like, normally you don't see a vice president.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, did you hear him say?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What did you say?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Something about, if anything happens, God forbid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If there was some terrible tragedy, God forbid,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can take over, and he wasn't even prompted.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said that?
39:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, he said it on an interview.
39:38
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't see that.
39:39
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was right.
39:40
[SPEAKER_00]: It was right.
39:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
39:42
[SPEAKER_00]: That was, I think, right after the days where we didn't hear from Trump, we saw him.
39:47
[SPEAKER_00]: We saw a couple of pictures of him and he looked fucking bad.
39:50
[SPEAKER_00]: He had no makeup on, then he didn't have any makeup.
39:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
39:56
[SPEAKER_00]: He looked vacant, his eyes were real kind of lost.
40:00
[SPEAKER_00]: And then there was that face at 9-11 where his face was drooping.
40:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
40:05
[SPEAKER_00]: So, but this was before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is, I think, when he said, I think when J.D.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Vance was on an interview and he kind of offered it up.
40:13
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was also, you know, Trump's been talking about, I haven't heard him say anything lately, but he was really concerned about getting into heaven.
40:19
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, he said something on Fox and Friends.
40:22
[SPEAKER_01]: My, it's Wanda.
40:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
40:24
[SPEAKER_01]: So, my way and to have him.
40:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's really concerned, and you know, I immediately recognized.
40:29
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, people who are not, who are old and not healthy start worrying about heaven.
40:36
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and clear, you know, he said, he heard, I hear I'm low in the totem pole.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what he said.
40:41
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, you think, but, um,
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[SPEAKER_00]: He also put out an email about getting into heaven.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, it was so strange.
40:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think that it's just this,
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[SPEAKER_00]: fear.
40:58
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a fear.
40:59
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a fear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Deep, deep, deep down because he knows everything that he's done.
41:03
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know if he legit believes in heaven.
41:06
[SPEAKER_00]: And this whole thing is not about Donald Trump, whether or not he gets into heaven or if heaven is real.
41:14
[SPEAKER_00]: This whole thing is there's this man who's old and sick and clearly very, very, very, very unhealthy.
41:19
[SPEAKER_00]: He's mentally declining.
41:20
[SPEAKER_00]: He's physically declining.
41:22
[SPEAKER_00]: And now he's talking about heaven.
41:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I just feel like, you know,
41:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, maybe if they believed in like reincarnation, we could like guess which lake he's like the skum at the bottom of and then like oh my god, I can just go live at that lake right that would be cool on skum.
41:38
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I just I don't know I have this.
41:44
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been saying it like I just don't think he's going to survive the term and when I say survive I don't necessarily mean he's going to die I just because you know like I said he could have a stroke where he falls down and he I think he did have a stroke I think he had a worse stroke I think he's on a bunch of little strokes now again I don't know this is my conspiracy I have no idea I mean doctors are saying he has conject looks like he has conjective heart failure and whether I I always can
42:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I always get confused whether it's the liver or kidney, but he's got something going on there.
42:15
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is all speculative because nobody gets, you know, if you talk to his doctor, he's the healthiest person that's ever walked face to the earth.
42:21
[SPEAKER_00]: So we don't know.
42:22
[SPEAKER_00]: But, um, so we only have speculation.
42:25
[SPEAKER_00]: And, and, and I feel like
42:28
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not healthy.
42:30
[SPEAKER_00]: He's an old man.
42:31
[SPEAKER_00]: The decline is obvious.
42:33
[SPEAKER_00]: It's been obvious.
42:34
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, when Brian Keram was on the show not too long ago, he was saying, this is not the same guy.
42:38
[SPEAKER_00]: And as we knew in 2016.
42:41
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I mean, he's clearly clearly clearly fading.
42:46
[SPEAKER_00]: But what does that mean?
42:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
42:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm sure he could still be here.
42:50
[SPEAKER_00]: when 2028 comes.
42:51
[SPEAKER_00]: He could be, but I just don't think he will.
42:54
[SPEAKER_00]: He's declining quickly, and the thing is is that when the oligarchs decide he's not useful anymore, he might want to avoid, you know, windows, or escalators, or escalators, right?
43:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, that was so funny.
43:12
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a later conspiracy.
43:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, really quick, this is the last thing and I just kind of want to touch on this, but I don't know if you saw, but Tara, do you know who Tara read is?
43:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
43:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so the woman who accused Biden of raping her, she has been granted citizenship in Russia, Putin granted her citizenship.
43:31
[SPEAKER_00]: And I, I just want to get this out of the way because I think it's important to reiterate this.
43:38
[SPEAKER_00]: that, you know, all the left always says believe women believe women believe women.
43:43
[SPEAKER_00]: That doesn't mean that if a woman makes a claim that we just automatically assume that it's the truth and we don't, you know, check it out or whatever.
43:51
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, find out if it's the truth.
43:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Believe women is more of this thing of women or not believed when they go in when they go to the doctor and they say, I have pain.
44:01
[SPEAKER_00]: There are studies showing their dismissed by their doctors.
44:04
[SPEAKER_00]: women aren't believed, women aren't listened to, and when we say that we were sexually assaulted, we get blamed.
44:11
[SPEAKER_00]: What were you wearing?
44:12
[SPEAKER_00]: How much did you have to drink?
44:14
[SPEAKER_00]: How late was it?
44:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever, you know, were you kissing him?
44:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Were you leading him?
44:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, were you flirting with him?
44:19
[SPEAKER_00]: It's always her fucking fault.
44:22
[SPEAKER_00]: And the whole belief women is not just, if a woman says something to you, you have to automatically believe it's true if never questioned her.
44:29
[SPEAKER_00]: That's stupid.
44:29
[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, that's not what it means.
44:31
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's like when Tara Reid came into the picture and she said, you know, Biden raped me.
44:36
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember my first reaction was, oh no, I didn't think Biden was a rapist.
44:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Like in my heart of hearts, I did not think that he was a rapist.
44:45
[SPEAKER_00]: However, it's like oh shit.
44:47
[SPEAKER_00]: We've got this allegation and we need to take it seriously and that's what believe women means We need to take them seriously and I did I took her seriously and I listened to what she had to say And I found out she wrote love letters to Putin and and you know, and I think the one thing which my mother noticed privately and then Sherry jacobus said it publicly Was that when she's making this claim that you know, they were in the hallways and whatever area They were in in in
45:15
[SPEAKER_00]: wherever building they were, Congress or whatever, that he had like lifted up her skirt or something like that.
45:22
[SPEAKER_00]: And she had said she had taken her pantyhose off because it was hotter.
45:26
[SPEAKER_00]: She didn't wear pantyhose.
45:28
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's like the big fucking telltale.
45:30
[SPEAKER_00]: That was night, well, I think it was 1993 or something like that.
45:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Panels were required.
45:37
[SPEAKER_00]: I used to work at the fucking Broadway department store and they were required.
45:41
[SPEAKER_00]: If you walked into the Broadway and you didn't have Panels on, you were sent home.
45:45
[SPEAKER_00]: You were not allowed to work.
45:47
[SPEAKER_00]: You might as well walk in, fucking in your underwear.
45:50
[SPEAKER_00]: It was just, you weren't allowed to work.
45:52
[SPEAKER_00]: So there was no way in hell.
45:54
[SPEAKER_00]: She wasn't wearing Panels.
45:56
[SPEAKER_00]: That little detail was enough.
45:58
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there were all these other details that it was clear she was lying.
46:03
[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, I just, I, I just wanted to throw that out there because I, I lost the respect of a feminist who I was friendly with and I believe that she was raped and when she saw that I did not, you know, after finding out.
46:23
[SPEAKER_00]: my own in for, you know, like looking up Tara Reed and seeing what she was all about, I didn't believe her.
46:29
[SPEAKER_00]: And so this feminist, I think felt personally offended by me and won't even talk to me anymore.
46:36
[SPEAKER_00]: And it makes me sad because it's like I, I, I,
46:40
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what you would say with that, you know?
46:42
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I get that you want women to believe, and you want women to, and I want women to believe, be believed too.
46:50
[SPEAKER_00]: I want women to be taken seriously, but I recognize in a political situation, you're gonna have people making mostly, and it's mostly, not all, mostly, they're on the right.
47:02
[SPEAKER_00]: They're accusing the Democrats.
47:04
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're lying and you know some of them may not be lying.
47:09
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't know exactly what Bill Clinton did although I certainly do not believe fucking one need a broad deck.
47:13
[SPEAKER_00]: I do not believe her.
47:14
[SPEAKER_00]: She's such a fucking maga.
47:16
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I mean, I know that Bill Clinton was a sniffing dog.
47:20
[SPEAKER_01]: And from there's so much misogyny on the left, yes, tons of it.
47:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's it's it's it's pervasive and like we don't talk enough about it, but yeah, I agree.
47:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, I mean, I just that you said that I want to just bring that
47:36
[SPEAKER_00]: to the forefront again.
47:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, there's all kinds of myths that there's patriarchy, you know, there are men that I've known who are liberal and they vote blue, but they're patriarchal, and they take advantage of it.
47:45
[SPEAKER_00]: They, you know, sometimes it's little, sometimes it's big, there's a difference between a liberal patriarchal man and a conservative patriarchy, you know, conservatives have their own little thing.
47:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Liberals are different and I know plenty of them.
47:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I will say this.
47:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Bob is not in any way patriarical and I don't I think that you know I met him when I was 47 years old and you know now we've been together for 10 years and I can say 100% he is not patriarical.
48:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Aside from yes he's a feminist and yes he's a really fair person.
48:17
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that the reason I
48:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to say weighted that my first major relationship as an adult was at 47 was because I just don't think I didn't think of it in these terms but most of the men I met were patriarchal in one way or another.
48:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Even if they voted blue, even if they voted for Hillary Clinton, it doesn't, they were still patriarchal, they would still use their power as a man to get their way when it suited them.
48:47
[SPEAKER_00]: In some cases, maybe they be cool about it,
48:52
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just, you know, so you're, you're so right.
48:54
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think we do need to have these discussions about whether it's patriarchy, misogyny, sexism, of course it exists on the left.
49:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course it does.
49:04
[SPEAKER_01]: And when you love the proximity to power that behave in ways that, yes, are not always the best.
49:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, 100%.
49:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, we have so much to learn.
49:15
[SPEAKER_00]: We have so much to fucking learn.
49:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I still think, I still think we have something to be helpful for.
49:27
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that the more we see this push back, like what we saw with Jimmy Kimmel, what that does.
49:33
[SPEAKER_00]: is it sends out, like, inspirational energy to everybody.
49:36
[SPEAKER_00]: It makes everybody feel like, oh, wait a minute, I've got a little bit of power here.
49:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Even if it's just, you know, calling up an advertiser and saying, I'm not going to support sinclair or, you know, or if you, I'm not going to, I'm going to boycott you if you continue to advertise on sinclair.
49:50
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know enough people know this, but sinclair.
49:55
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it's Stink Club Broadcasting owns all these independent stations all across the United States and they're like ABC and B.C.C.B.S affiliates.
50:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Next star too.
50:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, next star.
50:07
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I have and I don't have.
50:08
[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't been able to see Jimmy Kim.
50:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I have to watch it on YouTube.
50:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
50:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, see, I think that's what we need to start.
50:14
[SPEAKER_00]: That's how we can fight back.
50:16
[SPEAKER_00]: If you find out, look at the advertisers, call up the advertisers and say, I'm boycotting you as long as you're with next start, as long as you're with Sinclair, not gonna buy you.
50:25
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you have to stand by that.
50:27
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to not buy.
50:29
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, we have, yeah, exactly.
50:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Like when you're going to boycott like Hulu, you actually have to cancel Hulu.
50:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
50:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
50:38
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to do it.
50:39
[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, it's a little bit of discomfort.
50:41
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not, you know, I mean, I get everybody likes their shows.
50:44
[SPEAKER_00]: And part of the way we stay sane in this crazy world is through entertainment.
50:50
[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, it's really about, do you want to live in a fascist country?
50:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Moving forward.
50:55
[SPEAKER_00]: So pick, pick your side.
50:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, all right, so I'm going to wrap this up and I want to remind people are what you to remind people of the name of your company and where to find it and then where do we find you?
51:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I am currently need to create a lot of the socials for my company, but it is on it is on LinkedIn um Relivate Strategies and you can find it at Relivate Strategies.com and and then you can find me at Sarah Wood writer on pretty much everything except for blue sky.
51:26
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm Sarah Wood.
51:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I was the first one there.
51:28
[SPEAKER_01]: So that was exciting.
51:29
[SPEAKER_01]: You were you were the first person on blue sky?
51:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, no, no, no, first Sarah Wood.
51:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
51:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
51:34
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a name like it's like John Smith like it's like the most.
51:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, gotcha.
51:38
[SPEAKER_01]: It's such a common name, so I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be B, Sarah Wood, and I know there's probably like a million Sarah Woods out there and like the bush.
51:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.
51:51
[SPEAKER_00]: You're such a bitch, Sarah.
51:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.
51:54
[SPEAKER_00]: You're so sweet.
51:55
[SPEAKER_00]: You're such a sweet good person.
51:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I'll try.
51:58
[SPEAKER_00]: I try.
51:58
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't always hurt me well, but I try.
52:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, thank you once again for being on the show.
52:04
[SPEAKER_00]: It's always fun talking to you.
52:06
[SPEAKER_00]: And take advantage of her people.
52:08
[SPEAKER_00]: She's good at what she does.
52:10
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you know anybody, just, you know, tell your friends, check her out, and we will talk again, Sarah.
52:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Sounds good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, take care, bye-bye.