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ADOLFO CONSTANZO- Pt 2 · Cosmic Peach

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  Speaker 4: I got j j Vance not the president, and I
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  Speaker 4: got Julia cosmic peach with us and we are continuing
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  Speaker 4: the Adolfo Constanzo Part two. That was a topic that
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  Speaker 4: Julia had brought to us, and we brought JJ on figuring,
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  Speaker 4: you know, we can continue with it. And again Julia
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  Speaker 4: has more of her you know, notes and information that
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  Speaker 4: she was going to cover and Lisa had had a
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  Speaker 4: bunch of stuff and notes prior and she added more.
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  Speaker 4: So now we kind of have both their takes on
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  Speaker 4: this and what JJ has to add as well. So
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  Speaker 4: thank you all for bringing bringing all your brains together tonight.
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  Speaker 4: This should be fun and exciting. And then real quick
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  Speaker 4: we will go around the circle and everybody can introduce themselves. Lisa,
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  Speaker 4: real quick, let everybody know what's up and how are
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  Speaker 4: you and anything you.
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  Speaker 3: Want to block?
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  Speaker 2: I am well, I'm very excited to do part two
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  Speaker 2: with Julie and JJ. They I think are some of
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  Speaker 2: So love, love love doing this stuff with them. Nothing
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  Speaker 4: And that's me, Thank you very much, and JJ, what
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  Speaker 5: JJ Vance, host of Operations GCD, not the vice president Nick.
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  Speaker 5: I appreciate the invite, Lisa, appreciate the kind words and
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  Speaker 5: always great to join you for a conversation. Julie, I
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  Speaker 5: apologize I missed a round one of this adult casts
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  Speaker 5: a business because it's certainly interesting.
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  Speaker 3: It was on the I was on the IR for
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  Speaker 3: that episode, but I was definitely tuning in.
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  Speaker 1: I'll never forgive you, but I'm so happy you're here
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  Speaker 1: for part two.
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  Speaker 4: Listen. Thank you very much, JJ. And and finally, last
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  Speaker 4: but out least, a new edition of The Occult Rejects.
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  Speaker 4: We got Julia, Cosmic Peach, what is up? Please let
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  Speaker 1: Thanks.
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  Speaker 6: You know, I'm actually excited that we took a pause
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  Speaker 6: uh dur part one and two because we had that
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  Speaker 6: guest on that talked about uh, that vampire priestess lady
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  Speaker 6: and it's.
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  Speaker 1: What was so similar to this one, wasn't it?
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  Speaker 6: Guys? Like it was kind of like like a blueprint
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  Speaker 6: almost for for the weird Adolpho stuff.
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  Speaker 1: So summing it up today should be interesting.
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  Speaker 6: But yeah, I'm I'm in a cult reject part time,
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  Speaker 6: Cosmic Peach full time, and if you haven't found me.
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  Speaker 1: Yet, you never would ill. But I'm all over the
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  Speaker 1: on the Cult of Conspiracy every now and again with
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  Speaker 1: Nick and the Occult Rejects. So I'm honored to be here.
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  Speaker 6: I always love working with JJ and Lisa because we're
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  Speaker 6: the dream team.
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  Speaker 1: I feel.
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  Speaker 4: I like that, I really do. Yeah, hell yeah, and
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  Speaker 4: yeah for people who really don't know who Juliet is,
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  Speaker 4: impressive show. Doing a show by yourself. JJ can even
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  Speaker 4: tell you it's fucking hard. I can say it for myself.
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  Speaker 4: It is not easy, believe it or not, doing a
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  Speaker 4: and uh yeah, take it away.
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  Speaker 6: Julia, Well, do you kind of remember where we left
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  Speaker 6: off last time? I have it in my notes here
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  Speaker 6: that we talked about how.
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  Speaker 3: He was.
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  Speaker 6: Assumed dead because they found two bodies that really couldn't
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  Speaker 6: be properly identified in that apartment building, and then he
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  Speaker 6: was His corpse and his boyfriend's corpse were flown back
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  Speaker 6: to Miami and immediately cremated, so there was no future
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  Speaker 6: like autopsies or any type of identification of the corpses.
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  Speaker 6: But they were later spotted Adolpho and his boyfriend somewhere.
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  Speaker 6: It was in Mexico, but there were several witnesses who
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  Speaker 6: said they saw them after they had supposedly died. So
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  Speaker 6: in my opinion, they were definitely being protected from on
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  Speaker 6: high in some capacity because they knew a lot of
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  Speaker 6: officials like JJ could probably tell you better than me.
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  Speaker 6: But he was involved with cartels, but he was also
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  Speaker 6: involved with like government officials, and.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't think that they were necessarily done with him.
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  Speaker 1: He was pretty.
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  Speaker 6: Useful, and I don't think I think that they just
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  Speaker 6: needed the public to think that they got the bad
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  Speaker 6: guy without really getting the bad guy. But JJ was
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  Speaker 6: kind of talking about some stuff before we started recording,
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  Speaker 6: and I think it would kind of tie in nicely
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  Speaker 6: to this section of my notes if you want to
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  Speaker 6: take it from here.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, Now that's my thoughts exactly.
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  Speaker 5: They're Julia the when I these details surrounding his deaths
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  Speaker 5: are just as murky as the details surrounding this man's
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  Speaker 5: origin story in birth.
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  Speaker 3: But I think you're spot on. There was saying that
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  Speaker 3: they weren't done with this guy yet he was a
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  Speaker 3: very effective operative whoever was running them.
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  Speaker 5: So you know, in the you know, we were discussing
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  Speaker 5: beforehand that some folks have kind of run with some
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  Speaker 5: of these details that of this culton doing some more
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  Speaker 5: research over the years.
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  Speaker 3: There were some college professor.
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  Speaker 5: That wrote a series on medium dot com called the
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  Speaker 5: Occultists El Padrino, and it's uh goes over a lot
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  Speaker 5: of these additional kind of parapolitical details you're laying out
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  Speaker 5: there are describing, including apparently the chief of Enterpol was
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  Speaker 5: his friend or client has described in varying capacities, the
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  Speaker 5: chief of inter Poll for Mexico, and this fella apparently
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  Speaker 5: introduced Costanzo to one Mexican drug cartel leader who would
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  Speaker 5: later meet his demise. He after Costanzo infiltrated his organization,
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  Speaker 5: becoming like the chief Wizard, if you will, And then
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  Speaker 5: after that guy dies, the Hernandez cartel there where she
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  Speaker 5: infiltrates in Matta Moros, their leader just happens to die
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  Speaker 5: at right about the same time, and then Castanzo somehow
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  Speaker 5: gets integrated into that network I'm presumably by the same
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  Speaker 5: Interpol chief who would later then commit suicide.
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  Speaker 3: Apparently at the same time.
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  Speaker 1: Suicide exactly shot himself or something. Yeah, Oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know if you guys had ever heard me
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  Speaker 6: talk about this guy named Henry Marshall, but the way
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  Speaker 6: that he got suicided, oh my god, dude, it was.
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  Speaker 1: It was uh Lyndon B.
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  Speaker 6: Johnson, and he hired this hit man to take this
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  Speaker 6: guy out that committed suicide, and he blasted himself in
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  Speaker 6: the chest five times with his shotgun, and just for
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  Speaker 6: good measure, he also put a chloroform rag over his
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  Speaker 6: face and he was ruled a suicide. How the fuck
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  Speaker 6: do you put a chloroform rag over your face, load
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  Speaker 6: and blast a shotgun into your chest five separate times,
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  Speaker 6: and still it's suicide? I think, like after the first
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  Speaker 6: two shots in the chest, blasting yourself in the chest,
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  Speaker 6: I mean, it's just like it's like JJ saying, the
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  Speaker 6: the higher up you go, the more political it is,
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  Speaker 6: the more ridiculous a suiticides are.
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  Speaker 1: And uh, I don't know, It's just how do you
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  Speaker 1: blast yourself in the chest five times with the shotgun?
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  Speaker 3: Dude?
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  Speaker 1: Suicide?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, don't call me a detective, but I think
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  Speaker 4: if chloroform kind of pops up, I would start to
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  Speaker 4: think it wasn't a suicide.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, blow your chest out five times in the process.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah I'm knocking myself out, but still pulling the trigger
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  Speaker 4: for five times.
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  Speaker 2: Talk about an extra hand. He would need an extra.
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  Speaker 1: Hand, I think, And wouldn't it be like, how do
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  Speaker 1: you It's like Kurt Cobain.
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  Speaker 6: They said he would have had to pull the shotgun
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  Speaker 6: with his foot and he had a shoe on, so
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  Speaker 6: it's like, how did he It's just always it never
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  Speaker 6: makes sense that somebody obviously was standing far away too
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  Speaker 6: because of like the blowout. His chest like literally exploded.
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  Speaker 6: So I mean, come on, guys, anyway, sorry to interrupt you, JJ.
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  Speaker 6: It's just when I hear suicide, that's I think of
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  Speaker 6: as like, yeah, okay.
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  Speaker 3: You're good.
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  Speaker 5: Now you're good, Julian, Now, I mean you're It is
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  Speaker 5: these politics that weigh in on these these uh, these
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  Speaker 5: death investigations that make these ridiculous declarations.
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  Speaker 3: They're right, oh.
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  Speaker 7: One hundred one hundred one of the you talked about
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  Speaker 7: the Inn Bowl guy, so apparently yes, like he it
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  Speaker 7: was it was around I believe September of nineteen eighty
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  Speaker 7: eight when his name was Florentino Ventura with theaters.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe I think that was his awesome and he supposedly
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  Speaker 2: commits suicide, but they had alleged to that. Costanzo at
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  Speaker 2: this point is like doing all these scams. Not only
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  Speaker 2: was he scamming a whole bunch of people prior to
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  Speaker 2: being introduced to the Gosada family out of Wallajara, but
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  Speaker 2: he like now finds a new victim, which is the
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  Speaker 2: Ernandez family and he's running scams on them, and some
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  Speaker 2: of the scams that he's running on the Ernand's family
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  Speaker 2: is just so over the top that you almost wonder
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  Speaker 2: that he had to if at any point Ventura had
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  Speaker 2: to be like I'm out, like I'm out of this,
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  Speaker 2: like this is and so if that's the case. But
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  Speaker 2: one the other thing is that he also had killed
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  Speaker 2: his wife and his supposed friend Ventura did in Mexico City.
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  Speaker 2: So it seemed like there were two chapters right of
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  Speaker 2: this cult that one was in Mexico City and then
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  Speaker 2: the other one was in Matamoros, which are you know,
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  Speaker 2: many many hours away from each other. And he was
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  Speaker 2: always going back and forth, which I thought was very
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  Speaker 2: interesting that he would, you know, do whatever he was
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  Speaker 2: doing and then go back down to Mexico City because
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  Speaker 2: Mexico City, I think was his own base. And like
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  Speaker 2: what you had said with Costanza, he was he was
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  Speaker 2: born in Miami and some I think some circles say
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  Speaker 2: that he was born in Cuba and he was brought in,
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  Speaker 2: but I don't, I don't have any credence to that.
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  Speaker 2: But his mom was like only fifteen years old and
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  Speaker 2: she had him, So you almost kind of wonder if
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  Speaker 2: this was like a prostitution thing or what. But she
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  Speaker 2: gives birth to him in Miami, and then she goes
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  Speaker 2: on to give birth to two other brother or children,
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  Speaker 2: their siblings of Castanza, and they all have different fathers,
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  Speaker 2: so it's like three different fathers. She're almost just like,
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  Speaker 2: oh wow, that's interesting. And then this is at a
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  Speaker 2: time in the sixties when you know, conservativism is at
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  Speaker 2: his high, you know, very Catholic area of Miami, right
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  Speaker 2: you're having a whole bunch of influxes from the Caribbean.
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  Speaker 2: But then you're having all these other type of influxes
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  Speaker 2: of religion with Santaria who do who do you have
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  Speaker 2: follow which is what we'll talk about today. But the
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  Speaker 2: other thing is that she goes, and I think we
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  Speaker 2: covered this in the previous one. She goes and gets
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  Speaker 2: him baptized by a priest in Batto Mayombe, and immediately,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they prop him up as this you know,
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  Speaker 2: he's the chosen one. And then I think she runs
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  Speaker 2: into I guess problems a husband or something. And then
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  Speaker 2: they moved to Puerto Rico or what have you. And
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  Speaker 2: so in Puerto Rico she signed him up to have
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  Speaker 2: like magical instruction by some of the priestesses.
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  Speaker 1: They're in.
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  Speaker 2: Puerto Rico, and so, I mean, I'm that's kind of
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  Speaker 2: the height of somebody at that point was you know,
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  Speaker 2: during that time. So it's interesting. And then they come
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  Speaker 2: back and he's, you know, ready, he's he's gonna, you
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  Speaker 2: know whatever. And she was apparently his mom was practicing
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  Speaker 2: a lot of black magic. Every place that they lived
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  Speaker 2: was always tainted in blood or had a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: animal carcasses lying around. If she got into a tift
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  Speaker 2: with like a neighbor, she would give them just so
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  Speaker 2: you know, benevolence of her, like animal carcasses like goats
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  Speaker 2: and chickens without a head on the front doorstep, such
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  Speaker 2: a you know, like good neighbor.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder why your fucking apartment smell like, oh, I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure it was not me.
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  Speaker 6: God, So did the brothers boil people and do all
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  Speaker 6: this shit too, or it's just a dolpho I don't know,
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  Speaker 6: And the mom's clearly unhid what happened.
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  Speaker 4: That's pretty interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, what happened to the brothers.
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  Speaker 6: Maybe they maybe she chopped him up Dahmer's style and
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  Speaker 6: fed them to the neighbors.
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  Speaker 1: Because it really it seemed like the only one she
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  Speaker 1: was really interested in was a Dolpho, like that was
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  Speaker 1: her golden child.
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  Speaker 2: That's Hispanic mothers for you. I don't know if that's
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  Speaker 2: true of all other mothers, but Hispanic mothers their first born,
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  Speaker 2: firstborn son. Let me correct myself on that is like
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  Speaker 2: they're shining, you know, beacon of the family. So maybe
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  Speaker 2: that that probably played into that as well. So you know,
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  Speaker 2: he not to recap, but just to kind of go
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  Speaker 2: back over it. So they go back to Miami. He's
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  Speaker 2: cruising the gay bars. He's also practicing. He's taken in
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  Speaker 2: with this priest that had baptized him, and the priest
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  Speaker 2: is teaching him how to grave rob for body parts
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  Speaker 2: to start, you know, like his cauldron or like his
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  Speaker 2: type of practice and showing him how to do it
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  Speaker 2: and how to do you know, the different types of
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  Speaker 2: rituals or what have you. And then somewhere I think
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  Speaker 2: in like his late twenties, no sorry, early twenties, he
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  Speaker 2: leaves to Mexico City for a modeling gig, but he's
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  Speaker 2: spending a lot of time in like infamous prostitution houses
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  Speaker 2: there in Mexico City, and he starts doing the whole
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  Speaker 2: time being and what have you, and apparently like his
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  Speaker 2: magical reputation gains him notoriety and popularity among people that
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  Speaker 2: he starts building up a client tele and at some
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  Speaker 2: point he has a ledger of like all the clients
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  Speaker 2: he had, what they were asking for, how much he
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  Speaker 2: was charging, how much they had paid already. I think
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  Speaker 2: I told Nick there was like thirty one high pain
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  Speaker 2: like VIP type clients and that some of them had
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  Speaker 2: paid like forty thousand dollars for some types of services.
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  Speaker 2: So I mean, it's almost interesting. And some of these
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  Speaker 2: people were, like Jaya said, law in high ranking law enforcement.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of them were heads of cartels. And so
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  Speaker 2: you almost wonder when he gets in with the Golsava family.
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  Speaker 2: You almost wonder because right at the time, you had
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  Speaker 2: a Gonzala family, and you have that on this family
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  Speaker 2: you're starting this is like in the eighties. You're starting
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  Speaker 2: to hear the rumblings of the US wanting to go
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  Speaker 2: back into Mexico and re establish that whole drug market,
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  Speaker 2: and you have the influence of Lazettas towards the middle
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  Speaker 2: or end of the eighties. So that's right, prime, they're
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  Speaker 2: gaining intel about all the cartels going on in Mexico
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  Speaker 2: and what have you. So, I mean, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: That's kind of my theory on that.
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  Speaker 6: Do you think that they were helping him though, because
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  Speaker 6: a lot of them thought that he was magical, and
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  Speaker 6: it's almost like whatever they were asking for, he had
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  Speaker 6: help in like fulfilling their desires.
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  Speaker 2: Right, So he ran a lot of scams from what
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  Speaker 2: it seemed so like, let me think how to how
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  Speaker 2: to briefly say all this. So he he's running a
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  Speaker 2: lot of schemes or running a lot of scams, and
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  Speaker 2: you don't really start to see the scams until the
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  Speaker 2: Golsada family and they start staging. He starts telling them
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  Speaker 2: that he can provide protection for them to be invisible
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  Speaker 2: or bulletproof or what have you. Right, But somehow none
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  Speaker 2: of the charges ever stick on these, you know, people
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  Speaker 2: that get arrested or what have you. And then during
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  Speaker 2: this time you're also getting you know, the war on
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  Speaker 2: drugs up north, and what Mexico did as part of
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  Speaker 2: the war on drugs is that they would go to
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  Speaker 2: the border and they would sweep for Rando's type drug
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  Speaker 2: smugglers and anyone that was part of the main families
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  Speaker 2: of the drug carts. Else like remained unscathed. They were
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  Speaker 2: crossing uninhibited, So it's almost like they were taking out
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  Speaker 2: the competition for the prominent drug families in Mexico. So
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  Speaker 2: you almost wonder if like working in tandem, you know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's such.
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  Speaker 6: A so I guess this would be a good time
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  Speaker 6: to bring this up because it's my next little part
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  Speaker 6: of my notes. But he kind of like opened up
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  Speaker 6: a can of worms because after he went it went
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  Speaker 6: public about what they found out there at the ranch,
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  Speaker 6: they started all these separate investigations into other cults and
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  Speaker 6: ranches in the area because everybody was highly disturbed obviously because.
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  Speaker 1: Of what they found.
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  Speaker 6: I'm talking mutilated bodies, you know, cauldrons full of bows
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  Speaker 6: and stuff like this, And the police started investigating families
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  Speaker 6: who were connected with Adolpho in some way or who
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  Speaker 6: were kind of like followers of his, but didn't actually
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  Speaker 6: commit any of the crimes. Because if you don't, if
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  Speaker 6: you don't have like evidence tying people to the crimes directly,
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  Speaker 6: they're not going to go to jail. But you can
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  Speaker 6: still kind of like question them and like see what
• 19:31
  Speaker 6: he was up to. And it reminds me kind of
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: like with with Charles Manson, because you would have thought
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: they would have arrested everybody who lived on spawn ranch,
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: but they didn't. You know, there were only certain family
• 19:44
  Speaker 6: members that actually got arrested and actually got charged.
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: So yeah, well, the that's a good point, that's a
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: good if. I'm sorry, I was just saying if I'm
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: going to give you a well follow up on that Manson.
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: I mean, I was thinking the same thing there, Julia,
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: And it is it is interesting who they don't arrest.
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: And when you were commenting on they follow some of
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: the cult members around to see what, you know, see
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: what they're up to. I wonder if that was just
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: to see what they knew because from the from the
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: black male oposi, this guy was running.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: In some sort of male processes.
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: That sounds like whatever his relations with was the up
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: with the up rushland of the drug trade there in Mexico.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: It sounds like he was an operator for somebody, right.
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: But it's like Charles Manson like taking him him and
• 20:29
  Speaker 6: like a few other people and they go to jail
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: or they're dead, right, They get taken care of it
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: and then there's like swaths of followers that nothing happens to, right,
• 20:41
  Speaker 6: you know, they just get to go about and live
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: the rest of their life.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: But Lisa, what were you going to say?
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: So then at the height of it, they said there
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: was like a total between ten to fifteen members in
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: the cult, yet they only arrested three. There.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: See, that's what I'm talking about, and that's it.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Others claim that they die or they had defected or
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: what have you. But when you look at the property
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: where the shrine, their ritual shrine was in Montemodos, the
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: owner was the grandfather of the Ernandez cartel. He no
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: charges ever came against.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Him, but why not, dude?
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Right, yet he was performing magical ritual ceremony services for
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: the family, So surely they're they're pain right, They're they're
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: in on it, hey.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: And it's it's like saying, uh, you know, I get
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: it to an extent.
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: If you were renting somebody an apartment and Jeffrey Dahmer
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: happened to live in that apartment, why does the landlord
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: go to jail.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: It's not like he had anything to do with it.
• 21:45
  Speaker 6: But in this case it's different because he is connected,
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: Like this guy the Hernandez guy is connected to Adolpho
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: and definitely probably was taking some type.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Of part in what they were doing out there.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Absolutely because so to kind of get into a little
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: bit of the magical services that he was providing. So
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: in what I read the Apollo religion is that you
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: basically would sacrifice a victim and you would have to
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: torture it. You would have to torture them to the
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: point of screaming, because the more that they scream, more
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: the torture, the more the better the sacrifice. And then
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: the soul will be captured by the cauldron that he's creating.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: And then in the cauldron that's where you place the
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: innerds or the viscera or whatever, and has like stix
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: coming out of it, and it SUPs to like work
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: like a like a tuning thing, tuning into the actual
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: spirit world, and you are able to harness these I guess,
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: tortured souls to do your bidding. Right, So the more
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: the torture, the better. But yet most of these people
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: supposedly were strangers that they that they killed, but the
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: families are paying for the service, so essentially they're pain
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: for the death of a human sacrifice, right, they're paying
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: for a human sacrifice for the magical service to be rendered,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: I would think, and.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: So probably specific individuals, I think so.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: I think so. Now, of course nobody gets into that
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: part except I mean, you have the attention of the
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: kill roys. But I do think that is the case.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: I do think these were targeted for sure. When you
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: look at like with the Galsada family, they're at a
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: while Lahata. I mean, what was that family targeted? It
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: says in the book that it's because he asked to
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: go in. He wanted full partnership with a Kalsada prophet.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: He's he was saying, look, the only reason you've become
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: successful is because I'm doing all these magic rolls providing
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: your protection. I should get a cut of this. They
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: said no, and immediately somehow they disappear, right, so now
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: you have.
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it just I mean a lot of the bodies
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: that they found when they started digging them up, I
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: think I talked about it in the last episode, but
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: it was like former uh CIA agents, former uh let
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: me see if I can find it. It just it
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: was there's no way it was an accident.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Well you find that, let me They were one scams
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: there was no magical Well I'm not saying there wasn't,
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: because I don't know. I wasn't there, but there the
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: types of scams he was running, it almost makes you wonder,
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: this is why there was a CIA person it buried there,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: or that's why there was a cartel person buried there.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: It wasn't the magic that made them or bulletproof proof.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: It was an ADULTHO took him out.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: And yeah, so this is the thing.
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: I found it right here in my notes, because if
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: the if they just needed random victims, right like, if
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: I was gonna do a spirit pot or whatever, I
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: would just go somewhere and get a homeless guy and
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: fucking cut him up if that's.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: What I needed, if that's all I needed to do.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: But here's the victims.
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: An owner and secretary of a company that served as
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: a front cocaine processing lab, sure whatever, an informant for
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: the federal allies and his mistress, two federal narcotics officers,
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: three former police officers, and the American nephew of a
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: US customs agent. So random, crying, super random, it just.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: Exactly what that's what That's what I was getting in
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: with these drug cards.
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: There's obviously he's a pawn as some sort of uprestional
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: on drug cartel kind of you know, you know, negotiations
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: in at times his squad, which again is the same,
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: no different than Charles Manson. I feel like this is
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: the correlations are so similar in those aspects, and he
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: had the drug.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: King right Hispanic Charles Manson.
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: In regards to whether or not there's a CIA agent there,
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: I mean maybe he was the CIA operative there, because
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: again he is an anti Castro Cuban. That's I mean,
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: we're talking about for the son of an anti Castro
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: Cuban right at the height of the the spora of
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: the Cubans there from from Castro. So it's he's an
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: interesting battle. I couldn't find it on his father, so
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: it's a very interesting background.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: And for sure no and so his.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Father nothing is known, which of course further increases right
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: that it's like maybe he was birthed out of you know,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: some sort of what do we call it, like we're
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Babylon type of situation. Yeah, hence why he's the one.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: But like when he was with the Coltsala family, And
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: I don't mean to keep going back system, I promise
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: I'm establishing it something. But he like would stage scams
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: to where he would pose as like a DEA agent
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: and he apparently like ripped off like one of the
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: top while I had cocaine drug dealers, and basically he
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: was he he had this stash and he called up
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: his police contacts and they told him where to sell it.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: How is that not fishy?
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: Oh it's it's it's tuna fish. I mean, yes, it's
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: like the biggest fish you can get.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why this is okay. But here's the thing,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: and this is what all my uh research.
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: Into Adolfo I keep coming back to the same thing,
• 27:50
  Speaker 6: where there is an aspect of this that's very controlled
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: and very gotta be cia ish in there somewhere. But
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: the people who follow him were under the belief that
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: it was all real, which is how you create Manson
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: Family victims, like or not victims, but Manson family members,
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: because they didn't understand that they were getting a game
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: ran on them.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: They thought it was real magic.
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: They thought the sacrifices would really get them powers and
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: stuff like this. So the remaining cult members who didn't
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: get busted or go down with any charges, they did
• 28:30
  Speaker 6: get investigated and when the police searched their homes, there
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: were reports of them finding blood spattered altars in many
• 28:40
  Speaker 6: of the homes of these cultists. In Mexico City, newspapers
• 28:45
  Speaker 6: openly speculated that human infants had been ritually sacrificed by
• 28:50
  Speaker 6: the group, and some reporters even said that babies might
• 28:54
  Speaker 6: even have been bred specifically for that purpose. So there
• 29:00
  Speaker 6: is Adolpho, right, and he's running scam on everybody, and
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: he's running game on everybody, but the people who are
• 29:06
  Speaker 6: following him have taken it to another level of mental
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: illness where they are now participating in these what they
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: think are real rituals and killing like real babies and shit.
• 29:20
  Speaker 6: And they don't even have any idea that Adolpho's Charles
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: Manson and like he's just running a playbook on them.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: So it's it's very unfortunate you.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: Are a lar spot On because the three first guys
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: that he recruits, which is Martin Kindana, which is his lover,
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: this which supposedly was a psychic and omar area. All
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: three he met at the hangout for prostitutes at the
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Zona Rosa, and all had supposedly believed in the occult
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: since they were right, and they actively practiced it. So
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: it's almost like prime for the picking, you know, it's
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: almost like go into this area. These people are you know,
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: of that type of belief system. It'll be easy at
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: that point. The the other thing is that so one
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: of the things and it kind of to me screamed
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: SFK was And we'll get into that and on this part.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: But with the Goalsals when when it was seven family
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: members that went missing, that's a lot. And yet and
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: he even says, like when the whole media outcry came
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: of Kilroy, He's like, what is this? He goes, nobody
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: even made a stink about the Goalsada disappearance and killed.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: How is everybody all up in arms in this? This
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: makes no sense? So what I'm thinking is that of
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: course no one was going to make any stink about
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: the Galsala family because it was contrived. It was constructed.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: I think it was planned. But he so seven of
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: the members of the Galsala family disappear, and then like
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: I think, like a week later, they're fished out of
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: a river nearby in pieces, right, and that when they
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: go back to look at the body or the corpseses
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: that were intact they had like fingers and toes and
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: ears were removed, hearts and generals were excised, like they
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: were actually removed perfectly, and then the spine was ripped
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: out of one of the bodies, and I think two
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: of them had missing brains. And so when you go
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: into whenever they busted the ritual the shrine place in Matamoros,
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: you start to see why, and it's like he would
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: specifically collect certain body parts of certain people because of
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: certain reasons. And so it's almost like if a person
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: was really smart, he took their brain. If a person
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: was certain something, he would take that and then utilize
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: that in his cauldron. So it's almost like they were targeted, right,
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: if not targeted, but he already knew what he wanted
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: from them as part of the ritual. So you know,
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: so there there is that. So I wanted to kind
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: of get into a little bit of a follow if
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: you don't.
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: Mind, Okay, I just bring something up real quick, something
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: I just wanted to bring up that I thought it
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: might be possible, you know, besides the fact that maybe
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: him actually just running scams on people, I did wonder
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: if that's just a way to receive payment to kill
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: somebody anyway. Oh, I was just looking to get a magical.
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: You know, he's got a love spell. Thought, I didn't
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: know he's gonna kill something.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's a great point.
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, great context the situation.
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: No, it's just it's like almost like not money wondering,
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: but but it's like a way to accept the payment.
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: That is.
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: I'm sure he wasn't paying taxes anyway on it. But
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, like it was just a
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: cover for.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: I didn't report that to the I r S. Thirty
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: grand for a hit, yeah.
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: Well even for a magic I'm sure he wasn't claiming
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: his money. Yeah, if you're killing people, I'm saying, not
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: worried about the I r S.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Definitely not in Mexico. Yeah yeah, Big Texas well. I mean,
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: if he was over here, because he was an American citizen.
• 33:07
  Speaker 6: That was the.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: American citizens.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: He was never a Mexican ever. So one of the
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: things I really quickly go into this, and I know
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: I was talking about this with Nick and I thought
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: it would be interesting to mention. So the the actual
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: belief system that he had, I guess the his followers
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: indoctrinated with was called follow my own bit. But when
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: they look into it, they notice that it is a
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: merge between Santa Ria follow and then the Aztec warrior ritual,
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: which we kind of got into that a little bit
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: with the apparition of the Virgin Mary in Wila Back. So,
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: so the Astik warrior ritual is like a human sacrifice,
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: and it's super complex, Like it's not just like we're
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: going to cut your heart out, you know, be done
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: with you. Oh no, So every like sacrifice is like
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: meticulously planned from the type of victim to the specific
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: ceremony they're going to be offered and to which God.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: And so usually what they would do is they would
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: go to neighboring tribes and capture their warriors. The higher
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: the warrior, the better the warrior, the better the sacrifice, right,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: And what they would do is that they would plan
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: which warrior was going to be sacrificed to which god.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: And so if they were going to sacrifice the like
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: the god to like a warlike God, they would take
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: the warrior that captured the other warrior, would take in
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: that guy for a year and dress him as that God,
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: feed him as if he were the warlike God, give
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: him women like he was a warlike God, and I
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: mean it would go on and on and on for
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: about a whole year, and then the day would come
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: on the feast day of that God to where he
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: would be sacrificed. And the other thing is like if
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: it fell on a specific month or whatever, they would
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: paint them in blue, right, which is which is funny
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: because you hear blue a lot, whether it's with Crowley
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: that saw the blue image in the in the pyramids
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: or what have you. Right, And of course this is
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: done at the great Pyramid at the very top. So like,
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: for instance, if you do the warlike God, you would basically,
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: you know, have them in blue and then place them
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: over like a ritual stone. You would cut into them
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: alive and then tear out their heart alive. You know,
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: you've seen it all in the Indiana Jones and Apocalypto,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: and it's that's pretty much what it is, right. So
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: they would tear out the heart and then they would
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: push the body down the pyramid and would like roll
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: down or whatever, and it was going to mimic the
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: story of the warlike God's sister that would then be dismembered,
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: and then the bodies would be carried away, cremated, or
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: returned to the warrior itself, and then he would hack
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: it up and either he would take the body parts
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: and like ship them off as a present to someone else,
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: or he would keep them and eat them and then
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: they would burn them. But what's interesting is so it's
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: like a ritual of cannibalism, so to speak. But what's
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: interesting is that this is what they were doing in
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: this whole ritual thing, is that they were selecting certain
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: body parts to either be utilizing the ritual or gifted
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: and sent out. Because when you go into some of
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: the Ernandez type journals and stuff like that, he said
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: that he was like organ trafficking as well. He was
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: cutting it up. You know, those organs were no longer
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: there or somehow removing them and I don't know, giving
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: them away or utilizing them for a ritual, or was
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: he giving them to another cult where they were doing
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: another ritual. Does that make sense right, right?
• 36:56
  Speaker 6: Or like orgon harvesting fort shit like okay, And so
• 37:03
  Speaker 6: you get.
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: The cars having busted doing that too, for sure, that's
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: the second yeahs doing that.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: Organs.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: So when you look at the amount of people that died,
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: just in Mexico City between nineteen eighty seven and nineteen
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: eighty nine, it's like over seventy five people, and those
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: specific people were died of ritual killings, and most of them,
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: most of them are tied to Adolfo. And I think
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: they said, like sixteen of those seventy five where children
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: or teenagers.
• 37:33
  Speaker 6: So you're dude, I got the same thing in my notes.
• 37:37
  Speaker 6: It says a dude named Michael Newton reported that from
• 37:40
  Speaker 6: nineteen eighty seven to nineteen eighty nine there were seventy
• 37:44
  Speaker 6: four unsolved ritual homicides in Mexico City. Fourteen of those
• 37:49
  Speaker 6: victims were confirmed infants, so they had they were up
• 37:54
  Speaker 6: to something for sure.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: So one of the main main things about this that
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: the Aztecs would worship when they wanted it to rain,
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: is that they would capture children and they would torture
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: them because the tears of the children were part of
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: the ritual and the sacrifice to the god. So now
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: you hear Paulo saying, the worse the torture, the better
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: the sacrifice, And now you're hearing them most of them
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: were children and teenagers. I think this is way more
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: to do with the Meso American type belief system than
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: anything else in my opinion, right, because do you think.
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: That there's like a hybrid situation going on, And it's
• 38:44
  Speaker 6: like Adolpho doesn't really care as much about who the
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: well he's going after specific people he's supposed to take out.
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: But then the all the Mansonite family members will call
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: them cult members that are following him. They're into this
• 39:00
  Speaker 6: Palo stuff and they they really want like the sacrifice
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: and the kids and the infants, and like they're actually
• 39:06
  Speaker 6: like following like the Palo sorcery or whatever.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: But Adolpho, because.
• 39:12
  Speaker 6: If you can get somebody to think it's like part
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: of the power structure thing, he doesn't even have to
• 39:18
  Speaker 6: touch anybody anymore.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: At that point.
• 39:20
  Speaker 6: He's literally like just the mind behind the people carrying
• 39:24
  Speaker 6: this out. So as long as they're getting the target
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: ones that he needs to be take care of, they
• 39:30
  Speaker 6: can just do whatever they want with everybody else, kids, babies, whatever,
• 39:34
  Speaker 6: They can have their fun and do their little Palo.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Shit with them. But as long as these specific targets
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: are taking out, nothing else matters kind of thing.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: Well, So with that, as I'm let me just say
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: this really quickly. With that, I'm going to build upon
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: that whole thing, Julia. And it's if we remember when
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: og Nick and the Occult Rejects did their episode on
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: the Order of Metzequatdal. What did we learn is that
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: they were going into Mexico, right, that part of the
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: actual initiation is to do a pilgrimage to the pyramid
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: there and they consecrated them or they basically rose through
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: the ranks during a ritual and it's called a consecration
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: ceremony called the Feast of Fire. Well, that's the god
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: that has requires for children to cry, right, And then
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: if you agreed on or you listen on to an
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: og Tour episode, the Order of Quetzequadal talks about how
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: they are the benefactors for the Shriners and they supply
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: the funding for the transportation.
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: Of what.
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: The kids. They buy some of the vans with the
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: kids and everything to transport them to the Yeah.
• 40:55
  Speaker 6: But the Shriners, like if we're talking about they got
• 40:57
  Speaker 6: to rip the spines and shout out they yeah, no, no.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: But when when the kids are in the hospital, what's
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: wrong with them there?
• 41:06
  Speaker 6: In spite of Biffita, They're oh, yeah, and they're crying.
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: I do think that they could be involved in harvesting
• 41:15
  Speaker 6: shit off of Oh no, but it's still goes with
• 41:20
  Speaker 6: like the ritualistic aspect of it.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, in that it's not only them as well,
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: but everyone else, Like who's going down there the Mormon
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: scientologists process everyone's going down there specific area, So it's
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: all these gods that they're actually practicing these rituals too, right,
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, and then now you have Adolpho doing this
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: out blatantly and people are paying him for it. People
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: are actually cashing in on this. So I don't know,
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: I thought that was important to kind of mention it.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Is important because it's almost Oh, go ahead.
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: Nick, I, I know you have also mentioned something. I mean,
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: I do find it interesting the Shriners do dress up
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: as clowns and sometimes they don't actually make kids laught.
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: They actually scare the shit out of them and they
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: will cry, right yeah, I mean you're getting the tears
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: there too, and then Adable transport you to wherever you
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: gotta go. Mm hm weird.
• 42:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I kind of mentioned it when we
• 42:32
  Speaker 6: covered with the guest that vampire priests of Magdalena. Right,
• 42:38
  Speaker 6: there's an aspect of this that it's like a true
• 42:42
  Speaker 6: sorcery and belief system, and maybe she even believed it,
• 42:47
  Speaker 6: the followers believed it, and maybe there was a level
• 42:51
  Speaker 6: of actual magic going on. But then there's like this
• 42:53
  Speaker 6: other aspect of it. How much of it is controlled?
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: And so even with the Manson family, I know I
• 43:01
  Speaker 6: keep bringing that up, is it's like there was a
• 43:03
  Speaker 6: true belief system, but it was also being controlled.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: And that's how you are able.
• 43:09
  Speaker 6: It's like a blueprint and that's how you're able to
• 43:12
  Speaker 6: pull off a successful.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: I do think there's one hundred percent controlled by something
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: higher up, governmental whatever, and it was probably an exchange
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: of like we want these cartels out because we're going
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: to move in the ones we want, but we'll do
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: it under a guise of all this other stuff exactly.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: I got.
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: I think that's your spot only at Leasta, because you know,
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: again with the Manson family correlations, you know, the it
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: you know, or any other of these ocult crimesing throw
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: a son of Salm and s something like that. The
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: victims you're out, they're always you know, uh, kind of
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: trying to cover up the make it look random across
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: across the victimology, even though there are specific targets, right,
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: so you have to have a couple and make a
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: look right, you know what I mean. But and that's
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: what the Manson family as well, and you know, not
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: necessarily direct with the Manson murders specifically, but surrounding the
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: cold activity there in southern California, surrounding the process Manson elements,
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: you had legends and stories being told of the four
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: four P and uh the four pie or four P movement,
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: and they were incorporating, as they were incorporating the Aztec
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: you know, murder rituals in their in their business too,
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: despite not being you know, you know, getting mashed together
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: these principles and ideas.
• 44:28
  Speaker 6: Well. You know what I always say is you can't
• 44:30
  Speaker 6: separate governmental C I A. Even whatever you want to get.
• 44:35
  Speaker 6: You almost can't decipher the two. They're they're they're really
• 44:40
  Speaker 6: one one, one in the same.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: They are. Well and Nick, you.
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: Had a question, oh yeah, what was that four P? I?
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: What's that for?
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: The four pie?
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: See turn over to Julius.
• 44:59
  Speaker 6: She I got some information on noj you go, because
• 45:04
  Speaker 6: that's that's like part of the process and ship isn't it.
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: Based off offsheet movement of the process, right, like a
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: split off.
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: How's it's spelled PI.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: The same difference. I mean, it's still part of the
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: same same umbrella network, right.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: I was just wondering because of the PIE, like I know,
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: like it's just a random thing, like And it's because
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: I had spoken to somebody yesterday and I was asking him,
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: like my friend Jordan, he had left the O t
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: O and I've never really spoken to him that much
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: about the place after I left, and I don't even
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: know how higo he got. So I was like, oh,
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: I was like, did you do anymore after I left?
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: He's like, yeah, I got up to the fourth p I.
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: I was like, oh, okay, that's cool.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: I always said PIE, but maybe it's p I.
• 45:48
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: No, I'm just wondering if there's a playoff.
• 45:51
  Speaker 5: That with that.
• 45:52
  Speaker 6: That's why I was off of the process. Church for
• 45:55
  Speaker 6: sure is a process spawned.
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: Because you could do your fourth and then I think
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: to become a perfected initiative, something off by something. There's
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: a PI. It's like a thing, and to add on,
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: you can do the fourth degree. So and then after
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: that you can't go any farther unless somebody asks you.
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: In the OTO.
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: Well that's interesting.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say.
• 46:18
  Speaker 6: In Program to Kill they talk about he talks about
• 46:21
  Speaker 6: how all of them process scientology, all of them for
• 46:26
  Speaker 6: pie cold that's what I call them. They all come
• 46:29
  Speaker 6: from grandfather belief systems were really Crowley.
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: No, that's exactly right, that's exactly right.
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: And the four P, speaking of matching these weird cults together,
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: that four P. According to the Ed Sanders investigation, this
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: is the term the Grand ching Gan that Manson.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: Was referred to numerous times by different folks.
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: But that apparently it's some sort of Eastern mysticism where
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: they've mashed together some sort of Cali worshiping death cult
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: with Buddhism and some sort of Japanese cult. It's sex cult.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, that's where the Thuggies come from.
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: Who is it the Thugies. I don't know that.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: The Thuggies, Well.
• 47:11
  Speaker 6: They were a cult that were they were Cali worshipers
• 47:17
  Speaker 6: and uh they they were strangling the dog shit out
• 47:21
  Speaker 6: of that. I think the body count was is in
• 47:23
  Speaker 6: the millions, JJ in the millions, millions. The Thuggie cult,
• 47:29
  Speaker 6: that's where the term thug comes from.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: And this is where India where was this.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, his name was.
• 47:37
  Speaker 6: Oh fucking I have it in my notes actually because
• 47:41
  Speaker 6: I was gonna talk to Nick about it one day
• 47:45
  Speaker 6: of the check.
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: That's interesting. I've never heard of this cult.
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: But one other thought I had on the mashing together
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: of all these different theologies, right, One thing to note
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: with relative of the four P and all this Eastern
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: mysticism that was mashed in there, notably at apparently using
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: rituals of the Son of Saint and the Atlanta child killings.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: Was a Buddhist statue, very svicual sites.
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: Back to the this four P match together the Buddhism,
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: the Cali worshipping in the Japanese sex cult.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: His name was Burrahm if you want to look him up.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: He was the cult leader.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: B E.
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: H R. A. M.
• 48:19
  Speaker 6: Burram.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: But to your point JJ about Crowley and all that,
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: Crowley was there. Crowley was in Mexico in this one area.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: And yeah, he did some mountaineering, and well, I mean
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: not in the nineteen eighties obviously, but he was within
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: a good two hour away from where all of these
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: site rituals were. But he was mountaineering some of the
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: major volcanic or summits that are that are there in
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: this in this one area. The other thing that some
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: of the Ascid warrior tools include is the use of
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: sacrificial blood to form a dough and form it into
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: some sort of statue that to worship or venerate. And
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: so it reminded me of the cakes applied.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: Sorry, but a dough like like a cake or some
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: shit or not like a pizza.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's from the blood of the people that
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: are sacrificed, right, And the better the worst sacrifice, the
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: better the worst their torture, the better the sacrifice. One
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: of the other things is and I'll get into this then.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: I think it's important. Right about the time when the
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: goala and the family is done away with, it leaves
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: a vacuum, right, and the cartel, the Gulf cartel is
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: pretty much the predominating area in where the cartel is
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: and what have you. But at a round the late
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: nineteen eighties, it's when Lemi Choukhana family starts to form.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: And I believe they were they were in cells or
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: they were like some sort of they were revolting against
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: something else. But there has been ties to the La
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: Famico Khana and apparently Lozett thoughts that were training. And
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: then when you look at the Gulf Cartel and who
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: was trained, who they were getting trained to be their bodyguards,
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: you see actual connections with US military or US paramilitary
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: or US some sort of training with these people. So
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: you almost have to ask, did the US have an
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: involvement with Adolfo in clearing out these two families and
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: other families, because, like Julie was saying, what's his name
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: said that there were many other cults like that in
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: Mexico and when they arrested Alda Rat and we'll get
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: into her and a little bit, she said, this isn't
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: going to with us. There are many people that are
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: doing this in Mexico. I know of one in Monterey
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: and they are not affiliated with US, but I know
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: they exist. So for her to say that, I think
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: is big. I think it's it's definitely big too. Well,
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: it's what Henry Lee Lucas was saying, right.
• 51:20
  Speaker 6: Well, yeah, And it makes me think of serial killers
• 51:22
  Speaker 6: in general, because they run many programs at the same
• 51:26
  Speaker 6: time and they see how it affects the public and
• 51:29
  Speaker 6: which ones are successful and which ones are not. And
• 51:32
  Speaker 6: it does make me think of the sixties because you
• 51:35
  Speaker 6: had the Manson.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: Murders, you had Zodiac.
• 51:41
  Speaker 6: Shortly thereafter you had Ted Bundy, and so it's like
• 51:46
  Speaker 6: they run multiple different programs. They're not necessarily affiliated, but
• 51:52
  Speaker 6: they're under the same umbrella, if that makes sense, and
• 51:58
  Speaker 6: they're just kind of functioning separately.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: Of each other. And how I know that this has
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: got it has all the markers of.
• 52:08
  Speaker 6: A blueprint of the CIA is some of the captured
• 52:11
  Speaker 6: cult members were interviewed and it became clear that most
• 52:16
  Speaker 6: of them suffered from split personality disorder. So that's another
• 52:22
  Speaker 6: huge indication in my mind that there was something more
• 52:25
  Speaker 6: than what meets CI because as soon as you find
• 52:29
  Speaker 6: it's it's odd enough for one person to have split
• 52:32
  Speaker 6: personality disorder, then you interview all the rest of the
• 52:35
  Speaker 6: surviving cult members and they've all got split personality.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: What the hell is this? You know?
• 52:42
  Speaker 6: And that's how they are able to be so successful
• 52:46
  Speaker 6: as like cult leaders, is because half of the bitches
• 52:49
  Speaker 6: don't even know who they are.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: That's true, that's so true.
• 52:54
  Speaker 6: But so I think that a lot of the family
• 52:58
  Speaker 6: members in the Manson family had split personality disorder. I
• 53:02
  Speaker 6: think that's what they were doing at the Spawn ranch
• 53:05
  Speaker 6: that they were doing a lot of MK stuff, a
• 53:07
  Speaker 6: lot of clockwork orange stuff, and so it's that's why
• 53:12
  Speaker 6: I kind of have been referring to this guy's like
• 53:14
  Speaker 6: the Hispanic Charles Manson is because all of his cult
• 53:17
  Speaker 6: members have split personality. And just like how they didn't
• 53:22
  Speaker 6: get rid of Charles Manson, they could have easily tried
• 53:26
  Speaker 6: to like get this guy the death penalty or like
• 53:29
  Speaker 6: have something happen to him in prison where he dies,
• 53:32
  Speaker 6: but they haven't, Like they've kept him alive, and they've
• 53:35
  Speaker 6: kept him like you know, they do interviews with him
• 53:38
  Speaker 6: and stuff, and they keep kind of like putting him
• 53:40
  Speaker 6: out in the public eye, and they say that Adolpho
• 53:43
  Speaker 6: was murdered, but then you see reports where he's been
• 53:46
  Speaker 6: spotted afterwards.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: So clearly they didn't get rid of him.
• 53:51
  Speaker 6: And in the wake of the Metamorro's case, two members
• 53:55
  Speaker 6: of the Texas State Legislator Senator J. E. Brown in
• 53:59
  Speaker 6: represent Sam Johnson, introduced to bill aimed at combating cult
• 54:05
  Speaker 6: related ritual crime, which they asserted was a huge problem
• 54:09
  Speaker 6: in Texas and elsewhere in the country, but after a
• 54:12
  Speaker 6: decade had passed, the problem definitely had not cleared up.
• 54:16
  Speaker 6: So it's a good thing. They passed that fucking bill.
• 54:18
  Speaker 6: Super helpful. And it became even more evident that this
• 54:25
  Speaker 6: was a huge problem when yet another excavation began at
• 54:28
  Speaker 6: a ranch near Wares, Mexico. And so is I wanted
• 54:32
  Speaker 6: to include that right here because you said there was
• 54:35
  Speaker 6: a female who testified. Hey, there's it's not just us.
• 54:39
  Speaker 6: We know of other cults that are doing this. Were
• 54:41
  Speaker 6: not affiliated with them, but they're they're doing the same
• 54:45
  Speaker 6: thing too.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, So that girl that you mentioned, Dijd,
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: you want to say something, I'm sorry.
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: Oh no, no, I'll just trying to type on the chat,
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: but it wasn't let me okay.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: So the sarah A, which was considered la madrina, which
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: he was I guess like the second in charge is
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: what Costanza put her as second in charge, So she
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: was like in charge of recruiting, I guess, indoctrinating, and
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: whenever he would leave, you know, like for a drug
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: run or something like that, he would put her in charge. Right.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: But one of the things I wanted to mention with her,
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: which was interesting. So we have Costanzo doing what he
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: did to the Calsada family, right, and then leaves, So
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: while Lahada is on the Pacific side of Mexico, and
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: he leaves to Matamoros, which is over on the tip
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: of Texas. So now you're in the golf side of Mexico.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: By July, he already knew what family he wanted to target.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: How did he know? I have no idea. But one
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: of the things that he did do is that he
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: has a chance encounter with a girl named Sarah Aldrete
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: and he cuts her off and he, you know, comes
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: out of his car, brand new, shiny Mercedes and basically
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: is telling her, oh, I'm so sorry, you know whatever, whatever,
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: Oh it's faded. I bet you your birthday is this.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: It's the same as my mom's. I've seen it in
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: my tarot car. It's blah blah, blah blah blah. Just
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: woozes her over right. The thing is he knew who
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: she was and she was dating one of the members
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: of the Atnomous cartel, and completely woos her right, trying
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: to like be her friend and trying to get you know,
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: close to her whatever, to the point that I think
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: they meet up, like she I think he meets up
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: with her. And his name was Gilbert Sosa, which was
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: part of the they head on this family, and shortly thereafter,
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: someone makes a phone call to Sosa and tells Sosa
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: that Sarah is cheating on him, so of course he
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: breaks up with her, and Sarah runs to Adolpho and
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: is like, he broke up with me. He won't believe me.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: I'm not cheating on him. An Adolpho times her, oh,
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: I saw this coming in the tarot cards, which wasn't
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: true because he made the phone call to Sossa to
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: break up. So this was all a scam so that
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: he could get in with Aldarette. So somehow he gets
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: Aldred to give him all the information on the Anan
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: this cartel, to the point that he tells her that
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: one of them, the top guys, is going to come
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: to you and ask you for advice. And when he does,
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: introduce me to him, and sure enough, one of the
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: head calls in Sarah and it's like, I have this problem.
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: I need some advice, and she introduces him to Gosanzo,
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: and Cassanzo just smoozes his entire way in and says,
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: I can do all this for you. I can provide security.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: All you need to do is just basically give me
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: half of your profits, but I can make your men
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: invisible and bulletproof. The same thing he sold to the
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: Gosala family is what he was selling to the Avnani family.
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: And then somehow they get this is how they get
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: access to the on this ranch and they're able to
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: do all of their rituals there because of the way
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: he schmooths his way into this situation. And then somehow
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: he would design times where I think what he did
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: one time is that he would say that there was
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: like a rival gang that stole drugs, but it was
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: his group that stole the drugs, and so he sit
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: on it right, And then that the rival gang had
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: thought that it was on this people that had stolen it,
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: and so they kidnapped his group. Adultphos group kidnaps one
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: of the guys with their kid and tells the rest
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: of the family, look, if I do this ritual sacrifice,
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: I promise you won't have to pay any ransom and
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: I promise no harm will come to these two people.
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: So they perform the ritual and what have you, and
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: they return the people right. But it was his family,
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was his group who had done it
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: all along, and they sold the drugs and then they
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: sold the drugs, keeping the profits. So he was running
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: total scams on all of the I guess the family
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: themselves and then the surrounding people that were also you know,
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: drug running. This is this is pretty big, I think
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: in terms of who's who's allowed to do and move
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: like this.
• 59:29
  Speaker 6: Can I just say one thing too that just seemed
• 59:31
  Speaker 6: so preposterous to me about this and how he was
• 59:35
  Speaker 6: able to get away with it for so long. He said,
• 59:38
  Speaker 6: I can make your men invisible and bulletproof. Like I
• 59:43
  Speaker 6: would test the theory. I'd be like, oh, so you're
• 59:45
  Speaker 6: gonna make my men invisible and bulletproof. Let me, Johnny,
• 59:48
  Speaker 6: come over here.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: Let's test it.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: How did he get away with this for so long?
• 59:54
  Speaker 6: I would have blowed my own guy's head off to
• 59:57
  Speaker 6: test it before I would put my blind.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think you make yourself invisible and bulletproof.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah. This is where I think the other members who
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: never got arrested, whose names don't come up, I think
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: this is they were running it in with him as well.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: It's crazy to me. It's just so crazy how he
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: was able to get away with this for so long.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 6: When when you see something like that, you have to
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 6: know there's something else at play here, because you cannot
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 6: stand on a lie like that for too awfully long.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 6: I'm making people bulletproof and invisible, and I'm you know,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 6: putting people's heads in pots and I'm boiling them, and
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 6: I'm like, how long can you what was it ten
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 6: years or something like that he was able to.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: Run free or with on this? It was I believe
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: two years?
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: Two years? What about with the others?
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: Two years?
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 6: So here all together and then yeah, like kind of
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 6: like the break period with these people, I think, okay.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: But but that's important. Oh go ahead, Lisa, No, that
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: was it? Oh yeah, I see.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 5: I think it's also important to know that someone had
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 5: to off the Hernandez cartel leader to make all that,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 5: to allow him to be to have you to go
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 5: in there, and that happened, and I think January eighty seventh,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 5: so like right when Costanzo's getting you know, pushing his
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 5: way into the family, their cartel leader gets gets you know,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 5: killed too.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: And it's like, did he not make right?
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 6: Oh?
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure?
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 6: Was nobody the question pop in their mind, like why
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 6: wasn't the cartel leader invisible in bulletproof like, who got him?
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: He didn't have the magic yet, right, I mean, Costanzo
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: hadn't showed up yet.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: He couldn't afford it, couldn't even afford it.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: He couldn't afford it.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 5: Okay, this Hernandez guys pretty interesting. So he was running
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 5: a drug trade from Michigan all the way down to
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 5: southern Mexico. In fact, a lot of his crops he
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 5: was grown from marijuana fields were down south to Mexico City.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 5: I was like, wow, this guy had an extensive network.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: Well, he was very successful. Again, this is where I
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: think some of the government stepped in and they were
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: doing to him what they did to Pablo Squad. They
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: were like wanting to take over the farming industry in
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: the area.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 6: Well, and he was like a psychic to the stars
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 6: and shit, like Marina Abramovich see with their spirit pot
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 6: and all that. It's very similar. You guys are laughing,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 6: I'm serious. He was cutting people up, chopping them up,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 6: putting them in a pot. He's a psychic to the stars.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 6: He's making people invisible and bulletproof and all this weird shit.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 6: And like you almost have to wonder how easily it
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 6: is to take a hold of someone's mental illness. Because
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 6: everybody wants to feel special and everybody wants to feel
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 6: import and so all you gotta do if you're gonna
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 6: run a cult is make people feel special and important
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 6: and that they could have magical powers and and they
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 6: could do like all this stuff and get away with
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 6: it and murder people and put people's heads in pots
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 6: and do and like. They will sign up for it,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 6: even if it's the most absurd, ridiculous shit you have
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 6: ever heard in your life. As long as you make
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 6: them feel important, special, Uh, nobody else is like you,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 6: You're chosen stuff like this, you you're you got them
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 6: that I should start a cult actually, just to show
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 6: how easy it is.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: As long as you're promising superpowers or magical powers are good.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: My first I don't want any superpowers.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: Well think about this. Think about this.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 6: The Heaven's Gate Cult, right, they got their members, they
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 6: did whatever they were going to do. They convinced them
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 6: they were chosen and special and that they were going
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 6: to ascend into this UFO and all this stuff. And
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 6: one of the last things that was asked of them
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 6: is to castrate themselves. And that's when a couple of
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 6: them walked away, but a lot of them did it.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 6: They castrated themselves.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: Because they believed it.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: Yes, I mean, this is psychopathy out its.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: Because even like with Aldrete, she fell in love with
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: or supposedly fell in love with Adolpho, and even though
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: he consummated the relationship, he was straight up told her
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: that he was gay, that he preferred men, and she
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: literally like she wasn't okay with it, but that she
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: believed in the religion. What okay?
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: So I mean, so did he say that before or
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: after after? Well that is like, hey, didn't. So he
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: broke her up with her boyfriend to have sex or
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: and to then tell her he was.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: He apparently like completely brainwashed her with his whole religion thing.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: And they said, like her friends said, she became like
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: an overnight expert about light and dark and bruheria and
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: all kinds of witchcraft or whatever, and was espousing all
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: kinds of whatever. And this suppose to this girl was
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: you know, very bright, you know, it was making all
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: kinds of great grades and whatever, and then all of
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: a sudden it just like complete nine and day. Another
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: thing is that one of the Elenandas's family members was
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: going to the same college she was going to as well.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: I mean it was right there on Brown so everybody
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: was going there but Brown Browns fail.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: The the other thing is that to JJ's point, when
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: the Interpol guy commits suicide, this is at the that
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: that point when the cult members kidnap Olvido Ernandez and
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: his two year old son and they basically stage a
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: kidnapping and that whole ransom situation, me perform this blah
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: blah blah, and that about a month later is when
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: the Interpol guy commits suicide. I think at that point
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: he was like I'm out, Like this is too much.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe not, or maybe they extracted him
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: and it was like that that's all we need. Thank you.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: Your pension is in the mail.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 6: I just there's so many aspects to this, because I
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 6: did want to mention this other one too, this did
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 6: did you come across this Juarez Colt branch too? Like
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 6: it was? It was excavated not long after they busted
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 6: Adolfo And it's the same. It's the same shit because
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 6: it was located on the US border, so right there
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 6: in plain site. It was actually within sight of the
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 6: US border. So they excavated a exzhuomed three hundred bodies
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 6: from the Juarez ranch, including twenty two missing US citizens
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 6: and a number of former FBI and DEA informants. And
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 6: there were actually a possible three more burial grounds that
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 6: they that they didn't even excavate. And no one wants
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 6: to be honest about how these cult, ranches and the
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 6: government are connected, except for us obviously. But it's like
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 6: one of those hard luck cult stories you hear. It's
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 6: like there were all these ranches in Mexico and all
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 6: these freaking bodies all over the place, crazy Mexicans, and
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 6: then you find out it's like, well, a lot of
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 6: the victims were very specifically chosen. They knew about each other.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 6: Henry Lee Lucas, who had barely had one tooth hanging
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 6: in the front, knew about him how like how to
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 6: like come on, it's like this is for sure connected
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 6: to each other in some way.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Well there's a lot of American influence, right,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 5: I mean, you're talking about all these mk ultra kind
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 5: of mind controls, assassin kind of experiments going on down
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 5: there with these cults. Well, there's a cult down there
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 5: just in our modern times, still doing it still down
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 5: there in the same state of Mexico as these activities
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 5: right there in Monterey, Thenexium cult. In fact, they've been
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 5: engaged with all these drug cartels down there as well.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 5: If you recall the little Baron Mormon disaster, m you.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: Know, one of the things with this one, Constanto, they
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: were all male. The victims were all male, sure, which
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: brings me back to SFK right, and from what I
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: understood that they were, I mean, they were targeted, right,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: they were specific. One of the things that you mentioned,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: Julia with the ware is majority of those are female,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: So there is that as well. I don't know. I mean,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: Say all all of them, but majority, but.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: At least the ones with Castando they were all male.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: That is interesting.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: His I hate to say it, but the process of
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: it is he would torture them, he would automize them
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: before killing them, and then he would remove specific body
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: parts to be used in his.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 6: Cauldron, which makes sense because he's gay, and I'm sure
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 6: he didn't get anything out of that for himself.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, it just it stacks up to be too much.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: And this was I mentioned it. I can't remember which
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: episode I mentioned it in.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 6: But they had all these like shanty towns and all
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 6: these factories and stuff, and these people were would come
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 6: into work and they would get their picture taken and
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 6: they thought it was like picture date at the factory,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 6: and they didn't know they were getting put in like
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 6: a catalog and like auctioned off for like these rituals
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 6: and stuff. Women, you know, vulnerable that we're just trying
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 6: to like make a living to support their families and
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 6: living in like absolute destitution, and they would get auctioned
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 6: off them and their kids even would get auctioned off,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 6: and men too, I'm sure, but it's just sad, and
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 6: it's it's before I read books like Program to Kill,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 6: I probably wouldn't even put the pieces together, if I'm
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 6: being honest. I had heard about Adolpho before because he
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 6: was on an episode of like Forensic Files or some
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 6: stupid shit like that. But until you really get to
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 6: dig in on the underneath part, you don't suspect that
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 6: there's a big connection like a spider web going on.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: Well, and speaking of mental manipulation, you know, while that
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: Nick kind of has something on this, but so Alderette
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: was in charge of indoctrinating the followers, and she would
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: make them watch a specific movie over and over and
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: over and over and over all day long, every day
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: unless they were.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: Killing And so what was the movie?
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: You know what? It was?
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 4: The Believers?
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: The Believers?
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah. It's a nineteen eighty seven Canadian American neo nor thriller,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: horror nor film directed by John Schlessinger, starring Martin Sheen,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 4: Robert Loga, and Helen Shaver, and it's based on the
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 4: nineteen eighty two novel The Religion by Nicholas Conde Nicholas
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 4: Condy frost off. Just to get off the bat with that,
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 4: that is actually two different people's names. Nicholas Condey is
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 4: a name for two authors, Robert Rosenblum and Robert Nathan.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 4: Nothing crazy on that, but it is a name for
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 4: two different authors. In the movie, it explores the ritual
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 4: sacrifice of children to appease the pantheon of Voodoo deities
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 4: through the currently used practice of Santaia. The novel depicts
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 4: the various deities persona is commonly seen in Santarea and
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 4: attempts to explain the connection and differences between Santa Ria
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 4: and Harri. Where have you seen that. In essence, novel
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 4: shows that there is a difference between both, and that
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 4: one is good and one is bad. Whatever. The religion
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: is huge, The religion is huge, complex, and living in
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 4: our midst sacrifices must be made to save the world,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 4: so they believe. Anthropologist Carl Jamison intends to study Santaia,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 4: trying and then trying to help a New York cop
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 4: discover the killers of several children. He gets in over
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 4: his head and finds his seven year old son, Chris
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 4: in jeopardy. So that's kind of like a.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: Little thing about Have you watched it anybody?
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 4: No, No, no one. Thing I did think was interesting.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 4: Mark Frost was involved with the screenplay. He did. He
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 4: did Twin Peaks with David Lynch. So, like I would say,
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 4: in my opinion, those guys are ocultest. Now I'm not
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 4: saying any anything batter or anything good about him, but
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 4: I do think he is.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: And uh is this Yes, Yeah, sounds like a wild movie.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: Apparently it was like the first slasher film type or
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: horror film to come out to kind of talk about
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: that whole aspect, right neck or something.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 6: Yes, and then this guy's this guy's poor Emilio. I mean,
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 6: you can only imagine what his kids went through.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: I'm serious, because the other one is.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 6: A complete and total rapist, among other things. And I mean,
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 6: I wonder what other movies this guy has has done.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 6: John what was his name, schle Schleshenburg, Yes, Schlessinger.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I do have a little bit on him too,
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 4: I don't have I didn't take down I know he
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 4: did Sunday Sunday, that's one of them. He it is
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 4: is directed by John John Slessinger. He's an English film
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 4: and stage director and actor. He emerged in the early
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 4: nineteen sixties amongst the British New Wave and that's a
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 4: style of filming. Before a successful career in Hollywood, oh
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 4: he was often directing films dealing in provocative subject matter.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 4: He was also one of the rare openly gay directors
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 4: working in mainstream films. He was born and raised in Hampstead, London,
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 4: in a Jewish family. After attaining after attending Saint Edmund's
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 4: School in hind Hindhead in Uppingham School, he enlisted in
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 4: the British Army during World War Two. While serving with
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 4: the Royal Engineers, he made films on the Wars front line.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 4: He also entertained his fellow troops by performing magic tricks.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 4: After his tour of duty, he continued making short films
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 4: and acted in stage productions while studying at Belloyle College
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 4: in Oxford, where he was involved in the Oxford University
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 4: Dramatic Society. One thing I do find interesting is his
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 4: partner for over thirty years was photographer Michael Childers, if
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 4: I'm saying that right, And he was like kind of
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 4: did like art and I think portraits and you know, photography,
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 4: and he had dealt with some people like Julie Christi,
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 4: Catherine Denevie did I don't know to say that, Clint Eastwood,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 4: Richard Gear, Dennis Hopper, Rock Hudson, Grace Jones, Shirley Maclain,
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 4: Groucho Marx, Demi Moore, Paul Newman, Lawrence Olivier, Michelle Pfeiffer,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 4: John Travolta, Andy Wohole, May West, and Natalie Wood some
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: of them so like even his.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 5: What are mostly in Pride of Science TLIDIS and process
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 5: members and they interchecked it well.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 4: When I saw Andy Wahhole, I knew, I knew that
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 4: was one of one of the two are probably with him.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I was like, I was like, this is weird.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: The famous the famous Andy Warhol picture he took that soldiers.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 6: Have you guys heard me talking about how I have
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 6: this weird thing about the eight and like I think
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 6: it's a cult and they use it for specific things, ritualistic.
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  Speaker 1: Date August dates.
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  Speaker 6: One of the movies this Slashenberg did is called Visions
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 6: of eight oh, and it says August nineteen seventy two,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 6: and then it says capture what the naked eye cannot see.
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  Speaker 1: So that's interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that's interesting.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 5: He also did Marathon Man with Dustin Hoffman, filmed filmed
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 5: at the adjacent property to the Processed Church headquarters. They're
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 5: in the in the pound Bridge of New York, right
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 5: in the preceding months of The Sun of Sam Murder,
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 5: produced by none other than Cocaine Bob Evans.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: Of course, nice it was.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: Done in New York, for sure.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 6: He's got a couple on here. Eye for an Eye Pacific. Yeah, great,
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 6: so Nick, Yeah, it is because I like to do
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 6: this kind of thing, because I feel so the guy
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 6: who this is totally off the subject. But this is
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 6: why it's important. It is because it's it's multi layered
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 6: you would think, like the movie Harry and the Henderson's,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 6: you wouldn't be able to find anything about that, you know,
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 6: But then you really get to looking in and that
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 6: was the first kid friendly movie that that director had made.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 6: The one he made before that was about a guy
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 6: who was raping on this like twelve year old girl
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 6: and how she was like promiscuous and she just loved
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 6: it and was like rape on me? Like is it
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 6: and it was like is it really his fault? Because
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 6: she wanted it. That's the first movie he made. Then
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 6: he made Harry and the Henderson's because that didn't go
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 6: over too well. So, I mean, and then I found
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 6: all this stuff in Harry and the Henderson's, me and
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 6: and my friend Drew from You're Missing the Point podcast.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever heard of him, but.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah, we did that one together, and there's a lot
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 6: in there actually. And so when you do look at
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 6: the directors and what they're into and their side projects
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 6: and stuff, that movie I think was called ninfho Maniac
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 6: that he made before Harry and the Henderson's.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: So if you really get to looking into that stuff,
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: you can find all I mean, maybe she even Spielberg, huh.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 4: Maybe like furry shit, that's how he went from that
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: to Harry and the Henderson's like you, who fucking knows.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 6: I think I think they even the idea of like
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 6: this cryptid joining your family and that you know, he's
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 6: the good guy and he's soft and gentle and he
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 6: loves puppies and whatever, and then you go out and
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 6: you meet a real bigfoot and he tears your clid off.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, like, I've heard terrible stories.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 4: That's that's fucking impressive.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 6: Well, it's like, as far as I know, bigfoots are
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 6: not nice and they will legitimately kill you, and they
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 6: come from like other dimensions and shit.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 4: Well going by the size of them, they could pretty
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 4: much just kill you.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 6: But just from that, you know they're they're not all
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 6: hairy in the Hendersons. But I say all that to
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 6: say that that stuck out to me when you said that,
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 6: because watching a movie over and over again, specific movie, specific.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: Director, what are they into it?
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 6: All? Means something like what if somebody was like, you
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 6: have to watch Stanley Kubrick movies all day, I'd be
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 6: into it.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: But there's a lot of stuff in there.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 3: Right Well, the next thing.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 5: I'm mk ultrain that was going down out there out
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 5: of Monterey, Mexico at least, and in Albany apparently now.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 5: But in New York they were showing snuff films of
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 5: apparently some Mexican folks getting murdered. So I don't know
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 5: if they're filling them down there in the compound. I
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 5: don't know if it's one of these other you know,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 5: nearby colts that are getting the films from. But you know,
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 5: it makes you wonder. No one really tracks those things down.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 5: The doctor lives his license froom kltring folks, but you
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 5: know this is just ten years ago, but you know,
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 5: no one really tracks down where's the snuff films? Who
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 5: are these victims?
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: Right? You know?
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: Imagine that playing that on a loop. I mean, that's
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 3: got to do some damage.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: That's what Michael Aquino was doing to those kids at
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: the presidio.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: It's dark, yeah, little dark for sure.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: One of the things that I kind of wanted to
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: mention is the whole kill Roy incident, so prior to
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: Kilroy incident in March of nineteen eighty nine, from New
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: Year's Day of nineteen eighty nine to when you go
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: missing March thirteenth or something something like that. Yeah, it
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: was mid March. From that point in just Matamoros, there
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: was already sixty missing cases, so it's like less than
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: three months. What is that the person a day?
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: And there was no warning, no warning issued. I mean,
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: it was like, hey, be careful when you go down there.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: It wasn't that I remember because I was here. But
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: one of the things with Mark Kilrod, like you mentioned
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: his his uncle was Dea and his and his dad
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: I believe, held a patent to the precursor company to Honeywell,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: which so they were they were family. But the other
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: thing is that they lived outside of Houston. And you
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: know who also lived outside of Houston is set Afin
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: Ernandez And when they captured him, you know, to do
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: with this whole cult thing, he said that he had
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: a hand in the kidnapping of Kilroy And so you're like, oh, wait,
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: does that mean that you stalked him? I mean, did
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: you pre plan this? Does this? I mean, is that
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: a nod to that? So you have that and then
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: when you say, you know, did Costanza, you know, really die,
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: did he kill himself? Will you have the one of
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: the guys that was with them that supposedly shot them
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: because he didn't want to be taken alive. That when
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: they pressed that guy about it, he tells him everything.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: He tells him what's been happening, the religion, the cult,
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: all everything. But then at the end he tells law
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: enforcement that the El Padrino won't be dead for long.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: I mean that could that could mean that he resurrects
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: or that you know, in the afterlife or what have you.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: Or does that mean that he wakes up from his
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: like pretend faking.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 4: Of the death.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 3: M That was the boyfriend that right, No, it was
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: the one of the.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: Assassins when because he wanted to die with Martine. He
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: didn't want to die with he like wanted to die
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: with his lover, which was Martine.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: You're talking about in the closet. Yes, yeah, that's the
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: literally literally, dude, they were found. Yeah, that's why. But
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: this is this is part of the problem for me,
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: is the bodies were.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 6: So unrecognizable because it wasn't like we're just gonna open
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 6: They were hiding out in the closet right from all
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 6: the gunfire from from the police raid or whatever it was,
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 6: and so it wasn't like he asked two of his
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 6: members cult members to off them and be like, hey,
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 6: shoot us both in the head so we don't go
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 6: down for this. And it's like they're they're taking they
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 6: they're taking themselves out. You're not gonna get me, We'll
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 6: take ourselves out kind of thing. Why were they so
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 6: absolutely riddled with gunfire that they were to the point
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 6: of being unrecognized they shot their faces off, So I.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: Mean, was that really necessary?
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 6: And then, like I said, they were spotted later, So
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 6: it goes to my point that they probably those bodies
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 6: were probably other people that they just kind of threw
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 6: in there and they said, oh, this is Adolpho and
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 6: his boyfriend.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: But then when you bring up at like an excellent
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: point that kind of jogged in memory, is that so
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: they talk about that there was a firefight and it
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: lasted for forty five minutes. Yet no one was injured,
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: no one not I mean maybe like a grazing of
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: a bullet, but there was no mortal infliction. The only
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: mortality was Adolpho and Quindana. But when they found them
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: that they were wearing shorts, like if they were going
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: to the beach, if you're hiding, why are you going to.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 6: Go to the beach well and that just because you know,
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 6: maybe they've got two rando's off the street. I brought
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 6: them back and they were vacationing, and they brought them
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 6: back to the apartment and shut their faces off and said,
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 6: this is a Dolpho and my boyfriend. Like and the
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 6: whole thing too, because he'd want to run away with
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 6: his boyfriend, is that the boyfriend would have to also
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 6: be assumed dead.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: So in case, you know, so imagine like I get
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: true love and all that.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 6: But if it was even me and Colby and he
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 6: was like, we're both gonna go down for this, Let's
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 6: get in this closet and get our head shot off together,
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 6: I'd be like, I'll take my chances. But if that's
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 6: what you want to do, I mean, there's no way
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 6: you can convince me to get my head shot off
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 6: just because we're in a relationship. I mean, the levels
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 6: of absurdity to this. And I compared it to Waco
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 6: because they said that there was like a forty five
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 6: minute gun battle between the COLT members and the police,
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 6: yet no one was injured. And if you look at
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 6: actual standoffs Ruby Ridge, Waco, these are actual standoffs. You
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 6: got a definite body count there. I mean within the
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 6: first like five minutes of Waco. Uh, David Koresh was
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 6: shot in the freaking stomach and like everybody's heads was
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 6: exploded and ATF officers were laying all over the place.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 6: So did this gun battle even go down? Because if
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 6: you're shooting at each other for forty five minutes and
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 6: not one person is injured, that is suspicious to me
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 6: on its own. And the only two people were that
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 6: were injured were the ones who's the cult members went
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 6: in there and shot their faces off, Like we're supposed
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 6: to buy this, this is the story.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. Forty five minute gun
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: battle and not.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 6: A single right, not a single fatality, not a single
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 6: I think the only one that they said was like
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 6: a police officer got like his arm grazed or something
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 6: like that.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: So and JJ correct me if I'm wrong. So you're
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: in a gun battle for forty five minutes, no one's
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: going into the room, right because you're in a gun
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: battle actively. Then you hear five shots going off, you
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: assume it's still part of the gun battle. Why do
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: you go into the room.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 5: It's a good question, Like, it's a good question if
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 5: rather something popped off, you really want want to walk
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 5: into that.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: It seems like you're saying, how did they even get
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: in there?
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: Well, because they said that as soon as I think
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: they named him El Dubai or something like that was
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: a guy who supposedly killed Costanza and Quintana, and that
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: law enforcement then like broke into the room because you know,
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: quickly they heard something go off, and so they stormed
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: into the room to find them in the closet, slumped
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: over dead.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: That's what their faces shot off.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 4: What happened off the question?
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 5: These narratives, you know what I mean, Like, what's the
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 5: objective evidence that there was this massive gun battle?
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 5: Like you know what I mean, Like the whole thing,
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 5: you know, the whole thing could just be you know,
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 5: some sort of you know, fabrication.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: So the story part of the story. Yeah, that's what
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: I'm saying.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 3: Oh, glorious, a real gloriousffair, right, a glorious battle, right.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: You know how it started? JJ, You're never gonna believe
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: this shit.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 6: A police officer was responding to a call about a
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 6: missing child and he was investigating the apartment complex and
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 6: just so happened to stumble upon these hideaway cult members
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 6: who started firing at him, and he exchanged fire in
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 6: a forty five minute and called for backup, and then
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 6: this hall ensued.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: But it was just so happened.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 6: He was responding to a call about a missing child
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 6: and and stumbled upon these cult members.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: It's a sharp officer, he's a promotion.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, So, I mean it's just the whole thing
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: to me, it's it's kind of like just part of
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: the story, you know.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 3: I think it sounds like you're right, Yeah.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah, And it's sometimes I even think about, like Laurel
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 6: Canyon people. I said this on our Laurel Canyon episode,
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 6: and I said, what if they're not the badass? You know,
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 6: they make up these stories behind the character to make
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 6: them more interesting and make people like them, Like even
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 6: Jim Morrison, and they've made him so interesting over the years,
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 6: But what if the real story is he grew up
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 6: on a military base and he was this boiled brat,
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 6: piece of shit kid and he was given, you know,
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 6: his assignment, and he carried it out and he just
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 6: got high and fucked bitches and sang songs that made
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 6: no sense at all to a lot of people. And
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 6: this is and he became this celebrity, and he would
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 6: scream at people, you're all slaves and retards. But we
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 6: all idolize him and we think he's great because he's
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 6: this you know, celebrity of sorts, this musician. But how
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 6: much of it is a fabrication? A lot of these
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 6: Laurel Canyon guys are just spoiled military shitheads.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 5: I think that's the best way to look at Morrison.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 5: A lot of those characters, you know, you look at
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 5: Morrison's words himself. He does an interview and I think
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 5: sixty seven, so at the height of his fame, and
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 5: he's asked whatever talk show was, where do you see
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 5: yourself in ten years? And he said, hopefully, I, you know,
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 5: disappear into court some sort of corporate America.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: What the hell is he?
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: And it's like, is he really? Did he ever really die?
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 6: You know? They came up with a great story he
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 6: was in France in a bathtub or some shit like that.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: But I wasn't there, right, I didn't. I'd like that,
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: can you produce a corpse please? Because I need to
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: see it exactly.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: It's definitely, like you wonder if all of this was contrived,
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: you know, I do, Yeah, certainly, you know. And that's
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: the other thing that so Nick, you were saying you
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: had told me about how the actual movie professed this
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: whole satanic thing, right, and it's like, did it push
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: the Satanic panic? Because this what kind of introduces it
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: to the sidegeist. And the reason I say this is
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: because and this is probably not a popular thing to say,
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: but these are my two cents, right. So in Program
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: to Kill It talks about how most of this stuff
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: being offered to Satan where they were Satanic rituals. Yet
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: these religions have nothing to do with Jesus, the Fall
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: of Man, Lucifer, falling Abrahammick. So Satan's not even a
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 2: character in any of these rituals. So to kind of
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: press or to kind of bring in the word Satan
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: is a tad bit, like intellectually just disingenuous because it's
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: not Satan, right, Am I wrong?
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: They love to advertise it that way, though, don't they. Leasa, Yeah,
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, I I don't know.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's I think I think it it begs
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: a closer look, just saying just a little bit.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 6: They well, that's the thing too, is I was actually
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 6: gonna say that because I'm making Colby watch The Chilling
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 6: Tales of Sabrina on Netflix because I think it's just
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 6: riddled with occultism.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: But she goes, I don't want.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 6: To be a part of the Church of Night because
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 6: I'm not evil, and I don't want to worship Satan,
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 6: and they're, well, Satan isn't evil. He is the embodiment
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 6: of free will. And that's how they sell it to her,
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 6: is he's not good or evil. He's just the embodiment
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 6: of free will. If you, if you, if you demonize
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 6: something as being Satanic, and you feed that to the public,
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 6: and you give them this evil Satan pitchfork horns, that's
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 6: where they'll look instead of looking further like the process,
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 6: like Alistair Crowley, like do as thou wilt, like this
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 6: is free This is where it's all part of free will. Right,
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 6: we can do these things because we are our own masters.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 6: That's the actual crux of it all is that it
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 6: all comes from this Crowley idea of like be your
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 6: own master and do as thou will and free willshit,
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 6: it's they're looking for this pitchfork and horns person when
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 6: they really should be looking over here at the real
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 6: crucks of it.
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  Speaker 2: And by no means am I like, you know, like
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: for the whole satan thing. I'm obviously not.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: Oh well, definitely me neither. But that's how they that's
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: how they market it.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: I think that's exactly it, Julia, like you hit the
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: nail on the head. They had to market it to
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: the American Christian people, and the war on drugs was
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: the way for Satanists to make money because all these
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: cartels are Satanists and therefore drugs are bad, and so
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: it somewhat unified the people in the eighties on this
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: whole war on drugs, when in reality, what they were
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: doing is cleaning house in Mexico and selecting which cartels
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: they wanted to work for so that it could streamline
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: and pipeline more money into the coffers, as they did
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: with Pablos, Covid and Colombia. So that's what I think happened.
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  Speaker 6: But well, it's the same thing people to do it
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 6: if you look at it like this, Lisa, this is
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 6: what I think, and I've said this before, and out
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 6: of all the spectrums of things, I would consider myself
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 6: to Christian but maybe not in the traditional sense of
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 6: the word. But if you look at how they've used
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 6: Christianity as an equal weapon for mass marketing, all they
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 6: got to do is slap that brand on something for
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 6: the American public, and they'll eat it up too, because
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 6: it's like when everything got divided, God chose a team
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 6: and it happened to be America, and he don't give
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 6: a fuck about anybody else, apparently, right, And so if
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 6: you're running for a presidency or anything like that, all
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 6: you got to do is slap this label on and
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 6: this means something because it's marketed to us as something.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 6: And I think it's so funny because I have a
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 6: lot of members of my family who are Christian and
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 6: they were all big trumpers and shit, and I'm like,
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 6: can you tell me one thing he's done that's like
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 6: christ Like to you, I know, he wears this badge
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 6: and like he's supposed to be the mascot now for Christianity,
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 6: But like it's just so easy to people are so
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 6: severely diluted with certain things. They push this Satanic narrative
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 6: the same way they push the Christian narrative. And it's
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 6: like I said, God apparently chose a team, and it's America,
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 6: and we're constantly in this battle between Satanism and Christianity,
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 6: it feels like, and it's marketed to us in that way,
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 6: so we never figure out what's really going on.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 3: That's true. Now, I thought Donald Trump resurrected JFK. Junior.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 3: He didn't do that.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: I would love it if he.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 6: I would love it if he resurrected JFK. Junior, since
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 6: everybody's so convinced about that.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 3: Shit, right, I think that's some more.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 5: Vaguely, I think it's important the way you're all framed
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 5: of and how it was market in America, because again,
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 5: looking at the examples of these Satanists cults in America,
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 5: at the four Pie with their mash together of Eastern mysticism,
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 5: or these examples of Buddhist statues at rituals in Atlanta
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 5: child killings and Sina Sam rituals, and you.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 3: Know, last time I checked Buddha.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 5: I'm not an expert on Satanism or Buddha, but you know,
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 5: I don't think those two going, you know, together, very much.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 6: So they put Buddhist statues in conjunction with the Atlanta
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 6: child murders.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a there's a private investigation report from a
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 5: you know, big corporate kind of private investigation firm out
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 5: of Manhattan that wrote report in the early eighties there,
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 5: mid eighties regarding comparisons between the Son of Sam Could
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 5: activity and the Atlantic child killing could activity. You know,
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 5: just both happen to be surrounded by the process. Sure coincidence,
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 5: I'm sure, but you know, the in that report, it's
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 5: noted that there was rituals. In the rituals in both locations,
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 5: they were incorporating a Buddhist.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 6: Statue and that was marketed as part of the investigation
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 6: to the public.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 3: Well, it's a it's a public report. It's a report
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 3: I could I can certainly share with you.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 6: Well, I'm just thinking that's got to be part of
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 6: the agenda, then, is for people to think Buddhism is satanic.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 5: Don't think it's marketing. Yeah, I don't think it's as
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 5: you were saying. I'll know it is marketing that regard,
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 5: but it is I think the it's weird to call
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 5: these things satanism when that's obviously incorporating elements that has
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 5: nothing to do with Christianity.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 3: Work.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 6: They love to do that though, but they put that
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 6: stamp on there as fast as they can so people
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 6: don't look at the CI fucking A. Do you know
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 6: what I'm saying, It's it's it's not Satan.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: Morshber's and I and I think like it's it's almost
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 2: like a resurrection. And I'm sure I don't know if
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: you're familiar with it, JJ is the whole incident with
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: Keika Marena and what happened to him in the seventies.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: And I felt like when we had the whole Kilroy
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: thing that happened, it was like a rebirthing of that incident.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: And then you have Rafael Quindero that was extradited here
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: like what last week, that was brought over into the US,
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: and we have a re emergence.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 3: I saw it.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't a storyline all over again. So it's it.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know, it's almost like they're just recycling the
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: torture to kind of keep the people indoctrinated.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: It is because oh, go ahead, JJ No.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 5: I was just gonna say, no, those are great points
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 5: least because that ties directly in what we're talking about.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 5: That guy who just that cartel leader just got shipped
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 5: to the US. He's the one who's allegedly responsible for
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 5: killing that Dea agent. It was murdered amongst these all
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 5: the other mess right, you know, and again when Kilroyd's
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 5: you know, connected to a DA family, you know, makes
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 5: you wonder what all is going on throughout this whole
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 5: mess exactly.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 6: Pill slap a Satanist on it as fast as they
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 6: can so they don't look at the CIA.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and for those that if you're not familiar
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: with Keiki Kaman and I, he was a D agent
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: that was working down in Mexico and he while he
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: was there, it wasn't part of his task, but while
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: he was there, he found concrete evidence, emails, photographs, all
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: kinds of whatever for the CIA's involvement and drug trafficking
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: to basically fund their operations the Gondras which was Inagua
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: to the whole Iron Contra thing. Right, he found it,
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 2: he reported it back, He's like, hey, I found something interesting.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: No sooner and later Raphael picks him up. And I
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: believe from what the testimony says is that Kim Do
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: basically said, your your people sold you out. They told
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: us where to pick you up and they told us
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: what to do with you, and so yeah, and so
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: you have that whole kind of you know, reselling, repackaging, Like, no,
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: that didn't happen. It's because you know, they're bad people
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: down there.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 3: I just don't think this thing's ever stapped, right.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 5: So looking at the logistics of these situations, that ranch
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 5: that was raided, where the Dea agent got himself in
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 5: so much trouble and murdered there in the mix of
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 5: all these other Matamors Madam Morris era cartel, you know,
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 5: murder biz. Well, that that fella that ranch just happens
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 5: to be in the middle of all the le Baron
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 5: more Romney Mormon ranch's colonies.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 3: So he came back to back to them.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 5: The le barons were shipping babysitters to Albany and to
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 5: a school of ver Monterey to babysit these Nexian kids. Right,
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 5: they're the ones who got bombed by the cartels in
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 5: about ten ten, twelve years ago now. But I'm saying
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 5: these wars are continuing on amongst in the same exact
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 5: area with the cartels, and you know, with you know,
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 5: at least with you know, various cold activities down there
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 5: that you know, could be called satanic.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 3: But to call these.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 5: Mexican drug cartels, I'm kind of stop using the term
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 5: Mexican in front of that because you know, as you're saying,
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 5: this guy's getting transported to the US for charges. They
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 5: just busted a Sineloa cartel leader in Idaho last week,
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 5: just got sentenced. So Nola has been all over Ohio
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 5: in recent years. The Hernandez cartel was as far north
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 5: as Michigan. So you know, to call these Mexican drug cartails,
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 5: they may as well just be American drug cartels.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. One see, I will say that most of the
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: most of the children of the drug lords, they're educated
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: in the US. Sure, they come over here and get
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: educated and then are sent mack. So, I mean they
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: have almost I guess, dual citizenship you could say, I mean,
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: or like some sort of student visa or what have you. So, yeah,
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: I mean they're coming back and forth.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great point. Yeah.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 5: And then the Mexican folks, they're far stronger in Mexico
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 5: they were in America. They incorporated numerous elements of uh
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 5: you know, numerous president's sons of Mexico. In fact, President
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 5: Sealinas who was president during this whole era of all
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 5: this Mata Morris and other d agent's getting mrked. He
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 5: was the president of Mexico at the time. His son
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 5: was like, we're Near's number two guy, and you know
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 5: number one due to Mexico for mex that's so greazy.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: It's all connected, dude, Did you guys have anything else? Yeah?
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: Fuck Adolpho an asshole. I'm glad we.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 6: Did this part too, because it's like even more stuff
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 6: came out and I wasn't even ex very much.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is great.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 4: Nothing makes sense with this. It's not black and white
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 4: like it was presented in my opinion, right right, Well,
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 4: thank you all. I really had a blast. That was
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 4: great and the chat was awesome tonight too real quick again, Julia,
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 4: let everybody know where they can find you, please.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 6: I feel like tonight was such a group effort. I
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 6: shouldn't even take credit for any of this shit. I mean,
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 6: JJ and Lisa were on fire.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: I loved it.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 6: But yeah, I have the Cosmic Peach podcast wherever you listen.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 6: If you want extra stuff, you can find me on Patreon.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 6: This subscription is College Room two three seven. There's no
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 6: tears or anything. You pay one price, you get it all.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 6: I feel like that's fair and I want to start
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 6: a show with Colby and that I'll put on the
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 6: Patreon two called The Killer Room. But I've been dragging
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 6: my feet on it because I don't know. When you
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 6: try to start a new show and get there are
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 6: people involved in two schedules and everything else is hard.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 6: But maybe it'll it'll come into being eventually, and I'm
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 6: kind of excited about that because we'll be covering a
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 6: lot like stuff we did today, colts and murders and
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 6: just weird stuff like that. But I'm I'm kind of
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 6: just riding the whole occult rejects wave right now, and
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 6: I'm enjoying that too. I've already learned a lot from
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 6: the couple of shows i've been on.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 4: Good I'm glad. It's been a blessing, you believe.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: Thanks for having me.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and JJ Vans what's up?
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: Man?
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 4: Let everybody know what they can find.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 3: JJ Van's test of Operation GCD not the Vice President. Nick.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 5: Always appreciate the invite. Lisa Julia a great conversation as
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 5: well here this evening. I always enjoy the conversations, and
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 5: I too, learned a lot here in regards to this
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 5: and speaking to next point, there a moment ago this
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 5: was you know, even in the Program to Kill version
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 5: of these things, this is that was far more vanilla
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 5: than what is really going on in this situation. Respect
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 5: him ac Gowan, because a lot of this information that
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 5: seemed to have come out since he you know, he
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 5: made that work. But it's nice to see some of
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 5: his work, you know, the evolution of some of the
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 5: ideas he put forth.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 4: I love it, I love it, I play Did you
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 4: play the show already? Oh?
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean halfway so Operation GCD Live Wednesday's seven
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 5: pm TwixT for YouTube and Rumble Tomorrow night got Jonathan
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 5: Mitchell talking Son of Sam stuff and actually next week
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 5: talking process stuff, so kind of you know, long these
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 5: same lines we're talking at night and uh, Fridays with
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 5: the Occult Rejects, Nick with the Cult Rejects Fridays at
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 5: nine pm.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 3: Definitely, and Ron on this Friday.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 4: That's right, that's right, we're talking I to whole four right.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, tough man to get ahold of that Ron for
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 3: New England.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 4: But yeah, I've actually had people comments on the YouTube's
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 4: I think it was neither youtubes or even like DMS
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 4: or something. I've had multiple people hit me up recently
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 4: asking what are we actually going to talk to the
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 4: OAT for?
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 3: So that's nice. Ye, yes, you know what that is.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 4: It's a true crime that makes zero, zero sense.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: Oh can I be on it? No, just kidding.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 4: I mean if you're around with yeah, no, definitely you
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 4: should look into that. You should look into that. Actually, yeah,
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 4: it makes no sense. I I have looked at a
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 4: few things that I think slightly a cult. I don't
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 4: think it's too blatantly a cult, but it's nothing makes sense.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 4: It's very weird, that's for sure. Yeah. And uh, last
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 4: but not least, Lisa, thank you so much.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 2: I very much enjoyed this. Initially, the conception was Julia
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 2: talked about this on her Cosmic Peak podcast Peach podcast,
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: and I I mean it was like Nick, we gotta
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: get her on. And then luckily it was on JJ's show.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 2: So I'm thankful to JJ for allowing us to speak
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 2: of about it on his show, and then thrilled and
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: so honored to have had this conversation with both JJ
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: and Julia because definitely, OG's with this kind of information
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 2: you can bring in all of the true crime theory,
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 2: all of the books that are out there, plus all
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 2: of the current you know, pop culture type theory, and
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 2: we kind of mess it all together and kind of
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 2: have a really great conversation. So I'm very very honored.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: Thank you for having me on. Thank you very much
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 2: for indulging me, so to speak.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: I loved every minute of it.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: I did too, Thank you. I'm definitely I hope we
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: do many more, for sure, and that we contribute to
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 2: Like JJ said, we're contributing to the work and to
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: the research and just building upon it and putting in
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 2: you know, thoughts and hopefully something comes a bit later.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much again. And also a quote research
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: Institute dot org.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 4: And that's it. Thank you very much. And again, thank
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 4: you all. This was an amazing, amazing show. I was
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 4: really looking forward to it, and this was ten times
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 4: better than I ever could imagine. I always say a
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 4: little at the time, but for real, for real, I
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 4: had a blast. And yeah, with the three of use,
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 4: it was great. And the chat again, thank you everybody
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 4: in the chat. That's what's up. That's why I went live.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 4: I had a feeling it'd be a good one. Thank
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 4: you all. I really look forward to like seeing you
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 4: guys again in the next one, and until the next one,
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 4: everybody be well. Lady