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Introducing FRAGGLE TALK: CLASSIC, a New Fraggle Rock Podcast · Muppet Fan Podcasts with ToughPigs.com

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  Hello, this is Beth cook and what you're about to hear is the
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  first episode of Fraggle, talk classic a brand-new tough pigs
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  podcast. Take a listen.
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  And if you like what you hear, you gotta go.
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  Subscribe to the new fraggle. Talk Channel Wherever you get
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  your podcasts, okay? On with the show.
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  Hello and welcome to fraggle, talk a topic podcast where we
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  dive deep through the Fantastical Whimsical.
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  World of Jim. Henson's Fraggle Rock.
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  My name is Beth and I am re-watching for the millionth
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  time. My name is Julia and I re
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  watching after 10 years, my name is Adam and I am watching it for
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  the first time. I'm not going to see any more of
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  that song is copyrights for the first time.
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  Oh, thank you so much for joining us on this journey.
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  This has been a labor of love for me to try to get this off
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  the ground. Yeah I did a book review for
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  Fraggle Rock the ultimate visual history book which is And I've
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  definitely going to be using that a lot to give background
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  info and interesting. Tidbits, I'm wondering what to
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  call it because I'm going to be referring to it a lot and just
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  calling it Fraggle Rock the ultimate Visual History or even
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  just the ultimate Visual History is a very much a mouthful.
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  I'm sure we can come up with like something shorter first
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  have for self-fertile of was thinking of Calling it just the
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  totem. I no joke.
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  I literally was going to just say, you should call it the
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  Tome. So I had great minds, think
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  alike that. So, yeah, I wanted to get these
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  people in particular together, partly, because Julia was the
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  one who first introduced me to tough pigs and I was, you know,
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  kind of admiring her work from afar for a while.
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  And then, so she was one of the only people I knew and acted
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  with. Pigs.
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  I wanted to reach out and go. Hey do you want to maybe work
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  together? And for me like I like I said,
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  in the intro I've seen Fraggle Rock but it's been almost 10
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  years since my last watching of it and it felt overdue for me to
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  to re-explore it and a podcast seemed like a fun way to go
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  about doing that nice holy and for me I grew up on The Muppets.
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  I have always loved the Muppets and I've always been one of the
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  only people I knew who love the Muppets.
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  I've never seen. Fraggle Rock.
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  But as I've mentioned, I love all things Henson and my mom was
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  a professional Puppeteer for a while.
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  So wow. A little bit of an understanding
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  of like, behind the scenes puppetry stuff and some of the
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  mechanics to go into that sort of a thing and some of the
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  practices and that's a delight. That's awesome.
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  That is so cool. Yeah.
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  It's really red. Yeah.
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  So actually, Adam, you and I didn't even know that each other
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  were Muppet nerds for a while. Before we knew each other, we
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  we've been friends for a solid couple of years.
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  Now, did I think I made a Facebook Like, put out a call
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  for, like, Muppet friends, because I really wanted to
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  re-watch the original Muppet movie and you responded.
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  Yeah. Because yeah, we knew each other
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  through the local dancing, but didn't know each other.
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  Super well, was just kind of like, oh, that's a person who
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  seems cool and we have like oh you're the person.
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  I love my jacket too. Exactly.
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  And then you mentioned Muppets and I went oh my God and then I
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  also went. So I'm wondering what either of
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  you have either, you know, heard about the show.
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  As a whole of like how it came about very little, very little,
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  and I heard a fair amount, you know, writing for a tough picks
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  for like the last like decade or so.
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  And having watched it before, you know, it's there's things
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  that have definitely left my mind.
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  I'm sure as we go through I'm gonna ReDiscover and be
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  surprised by things I totally forgotten but you know, I know a
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  fair amount of like Jim Henson's conception of wanting to make a
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  show that would bring about world peace.
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  As I'm sure going to talk a lot about on the spot.
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  Cast. Yep.
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  And like the people behind the scenes in the makings of it.
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  So so that was his intent and making frankly I was one of the
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  yes, yes that's so cool. Yeah.
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  So one of the great things that I found out through reading the
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  Tome, so I'd always known that you know, Jim Henson's goal was
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  to make a show that would end War.
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  What? I didn't know was this guy
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  Duncan Kenworthy, who'd been working on Sesame Street in the
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  international department and then he was basically heading up
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  the Arabic version of Sesame Street, that, that experience
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  gave him. The idea of what if we made an
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  international children show, that was designed from the very
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  beginning to be International. So that for the puppet part, you
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  can dub it into any language and then for the Segments, they can
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  either be dubbed as well, or customized to be like with
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  different actors in each different country.
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  I was wondering why there was so little overlap and I didn't put
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  it in my notes, but I was gonna the like, oh, there's this just
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  like a little bit of off here with the tubs and that's not
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  something I would expect from the Muppets, and it's all, it's
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  because they're universalizing it, that's rad.
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  Yeah, so yeah, I think it ended up being dubbed into I forget
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  how many languages Has like maybe 13:15 something in the
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  teens and then I think only like four or five countries ended up,
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  like picking up the offer of recording their own Dock and
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  sprocket segments. Hmm.
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  So there was maybe some lost potential there, but it was like
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  an incredibly solid idea that no one had done before.
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  So, Jim and Duncan kind of had these separate ideas and that it
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  became this one idea. That's awesome.
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  That's really cool. Looks like the recordings of
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  those like docks and sprockets from other countries are like on
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  YouTube or anything. Cause I know I've seen photos of
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  the different actors but I've never actually, I don't think
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  I've ever seen any footage of the different ones and I was
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  just curious if you've ever read never seen it.
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  Any don't think I've seen, like, the full segment I've seen
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  little Clips, Okay, and like documentaries and nonfiction
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  pieces about Fraggle Rock. Like there was a defunct Land
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  episode on YouTube. About Fraggle Rock.
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  And so I've seen little Clips there, they'll show a clip of
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  the same song recorded and all the different languages was
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  really cute red also and have been learning Spanish, you're
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  making me want to go find the the version of this that was
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  down in Spanish so I can watch it and try to practice.
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  That's a great idea to like find out how much you.
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  Yeah, just understand just understand how little I
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  understand it. Spanish.
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  Yes definitely. I this is my first time
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  experiencing any Fraggle. Rock contact content.
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  The opening theme song. Slaps.
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  The opening theme song is awesome.
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  I absolutely loved it with a baseline came and I was like, oh
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  yeah, heck yeah shouldn't swear. It was really really good.
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  Yeah, hardegree my first note in my notes, is this team song
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  Still slaps in all caps. It's just so solid.
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  It's a jam of its Timeless because the first sentence in -
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  is this theme song slaps. And I'll cat good.
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  I'm glad that we're on the same page.
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  This is a very Good sign. It's just it's Timeless.
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  It's it's such a jam that. Yeah I love it.
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  Still so much to this day. Yeah they brought together this
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  dream team of Dennis Lee, writing the lyrics, Philip
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  Balsam, writing the music and then Don Gillis as the musical
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  director and yeah, we're going to get songs that are ridiculous
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  songs that are catchy and will stick in your head for weeks.
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  That are incredibly poignant and are going to make you cry.
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  Yeah, it's a journey. You know they need they need a
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  great theme song to really be able to draw the audience in and
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  like then expose them to even more amazing music and I think.
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  Yeah. I think this the theme song
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  encapsulates, like a banger of a jam and also like does a really
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  good job. Introducing us like I guess not
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  so much, the actual music itself but the theme in general like
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  does a great job introducing us to the world and all the
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  different creatures that we're going to get to.
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  See, as the show progresses? Yeah, totally.
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  I have it in my notes. The fact that they have like
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  body puppets that get used to establish like a size
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  discrepancy and let us know approximately how big these
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  fraggles are in the world and what other sorts of characters
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  and creatures, they'll sort of like run into and like the fact
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  that there's some sort of animosity between like they you
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  get a lot of detail in this about the world.
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  You're going to be watching stories and totally.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  You gotta see the the I mean you see doc and sprocket up top of
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  then you get to see the fraggles.
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  Doozers and the gorgs and yeah like all the size variations and
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  you know kind of get an idea of the yeah the relationships
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  between all the different creatures can we talk about the
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  Dawkins back a bit? Yeah.
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  Please sprocket as a puppet is so awesome.
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  They because so the the way that sprocket is set up as you've got
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  the the to pause and then the head.
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  So that means that there's two people working that because
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  three hands is not a thing. And I love that they were like
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  what What can we get this person to do with their fourth hand?
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  Let's give them a tail to wag. Let's make this even more
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  expressive and the ears can go up.
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  Like, I have that little switch in there.
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  That just the mechanization of making puppets expressive.
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  As one of the coolest things to me and the fact that sprocket
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  can be so very expressive as a dog is very mechanically
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  impressive. Yep.
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  There's even a point later in the episode where you can see
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  sprocket breathing in his chest rising and falling when he's
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  asleep. Wow, it's so sweet.
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  That's super cool. So I gotta ask Beth, if you grew
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  up with this show. Hmm.
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  Did you ever try to sew a button to a fried egg?
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  Not as a kid because that was not a line that I remembered
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  nowadays. You bet I've considered it.
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  I haven't actually tried. It doesn't seem like it'd be
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  that hard. I could definitely see myself.
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  Making one out of like felt And then just wearing it as a patch,
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  that no one understands, except the three.
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  See, I would want to take it a step further, I would just walk
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  around with a fried. Egg pinned to my shirt for just
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  a day, just see what people did, because what do you say to that
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  Miss Manners isn't going to prepare you for that true.
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  Interesting science experiment, what I love about Doc, in this
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  first scene is that, you know, he has that like, okay.
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  Today I finally decided to convert this old deserted Room
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  into a workshop and that is such a mood for like, I am going to
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  start this new project that I've been meaning to start forever.
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  I'm finally doing it. I'm like, hey good for you man
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  and then immediately gets distracted about the thing in
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  his diary was great least. I'm assuming I just I just had a
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  moment of panic like that. I've watched the wrong episode
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  or something it's like wait that that is the right episode,
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  right? The the one with There.
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  He's like talking about sewing a button into the Oh gosh, wait,
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  hold on that. I wish the wrong episode because
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  this going to be, oh, no. Did you watch the wrong episode?
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  I don't remember that. In this first season 1 episode
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  1, at least it did when I was the officer called the
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  beginning. No.
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  Oh my God. I watch the preacher vacation of
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  convincing, John. It took us 17 minutes according
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  to real. Well.
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  So, we're back and I've seen the episode now.
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  Have you ever had that moment of like, like anxiety of like, oh
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  god, I've done the wrong thing. I've gone to the wrong address.
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  Well, I lived it and it turns out life goes on.
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  It's like that dream where you're back in school and you
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  didn't study for the test. Well, here's the thing.
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  Like the fried egg thing was brought up in my mind as someone
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  who hasn't watched that episode yet because As I'm going through
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  in chronological order. I was like, what are we talking
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  about? I don't remember this in the
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  episode because I'm not paying attention.
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  I took I took notes and I just went with it because I
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  remembered that moment. And I was like, oh yeah.
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  And then it took me until after we stopped recording to realize.
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  Oh yeah. That wasn't in the first.
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  It was like, yeah, Beth, you were like like talking about it
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  as well. And I was like, okay, I must
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  have just missed this. I don't I don't know.
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  So then it got solved really quickly.
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  I can relate to that so heavily to something that I don't
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  remember happening. Just be like that.
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  Probably happened that I missed it.
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  It's fine. Yeah, you were Beth Beth.
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  You were talking. I guess we can just dive into
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  it. But you were talking about like
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  the the moment of like oh yes I'm gonna finally get around to
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  this project and oh boy right? Yep.
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  Yep I did if I can start a little bit about the intro just
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  like First Impressions. Yeah, they're like Muppets
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  slapstick is always great. The end.
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  This this intro is It's just no exception to that.
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  My two favorite moments, are he goes, don't worry, I'm going to
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  leave my books and that's with you for safekeeping and then
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  just drop, some just full-on drops them on the floor and they
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  just clatter everywhere. Yeah.
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  And the Big Trees, like, freckles move with a dance, like
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  Grace. And then, they just eat a puppet
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  from off-camera. And it's just this beautiful,
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  that whole introduction of traveling, Matt narrating.
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  This is what fraggles are and this is what they're like and
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  saying there. You know, marvelous in the
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  Pinnacle of civilization, Fearless dignified intellectual
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  while we see, you know, someone balancing a tomato on their
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  nose. Someone else, you know sticking
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  their tongue out and it's such a brilliant juxtaposition because
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  a young audience is going to be able to immediately.
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  See the contrast between how we're supposed to see the
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  fraggles and how they see themselves.
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  Yeah, yeah. Yes.
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  Absolutely. Take silliness very seriously as
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  well, we should. Yeah, that is, you can go even
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  deeper into it and be like, but yes, maybe that is what smart
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  and elegant, people do as they decide to just be as goofy and
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  weirdest. They feel like, right?
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  They start podcasts taking deep. Dives into shows that have been
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  off the air for. Oh God.
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  They take exterior extensive notes on the possible
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  ecosystemic, applications of weird.
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  Bits of that show. Bingo.
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  We'll get to that in a bit though.
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  Julia, I wanted to ask what parts of this did you remember
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  when you were watching it? And you were like, oh yeah, I
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  remember that bit and what parts of it were you like when did
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  that happen? I don't remember that.
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  I mean, okay, so full disclosure, I watched this
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  episode a couple months ago, back when we started kind of
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  talking about getting this podcast off the ground.
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  So in this watching, I remembered a lot of it, although
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  I will say that I did not remember the line about the
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  books and massive than him dropping on the ground and I did
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  write in my notes. About how it's very funny and
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  then there's some profanity it in my notes on what repeat?
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  But um, yeah in watching it when I first Revisited a couple
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  months ago you know, I remember things here and there I did
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  remember the intro of the fraggles and like his narration
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  and kind of us seem like the be be silly and a lot of physical
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  comedy and then like the slow as well.
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  Go through this episode talking about it, the introduction of
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  all the characters who are going to end up being kind of the
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  Pinnacles of this show. But you know, there were there,
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  a couple of the songs I didn't remember as we kind of already
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  alluded to, there's like so much music it throughout all of
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  Fraggle Rock and it was really just the theme song and follow
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  me, which I could I'm sure we'll talk about.
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  But that's one of my favorite songs from this entire show.
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  So I'm very familiar with that. And also Uncle from.
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  Is it traveling Uncle? Matt, or it's Uncle traveling?
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  Matt Uncle traveling Matt, never get the order, right?
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  Him going on to the world for the first time.
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  Those segments always like make me make me so happy just like
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  getting to see him interact with with humans and a fire hydrant
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  in this episode and he like calls it a person and it's a
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  very unfriendly person. Yes.
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  Yeah. And like all the silly creatures
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  and everything. So yeah there's this episode.
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  I feel like I definitely remembered a bit more about it's
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  going to be kind of a episodes as we go along that.
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  I want to be like oh I forgot about this one or that one.
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  So I'm excited. But yeah it was really Nice to
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  get to be reminded about everything in this episode.
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  Yeah, nice. Can I talk can I talk a little
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  bit about the sets? Just from a puppeteering
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  standpoint, I'll absolutely do you.
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  Um, they all my God, the sets are incredibly meticulous and
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  Incredibly organic, the the chill space that has all those
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  little nooks where people can hang out, which is like sounds
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  great. And looks like it would be a
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  really fun place to hang out and just also happens to give
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  puppeteers. A lot of beneath stage places
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  where they can control the puppets for.
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  Yep. And then, I was looking Looking
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  at the, the really big set and there's like two different
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  levels, two different layers of foreground, two different layers
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  of mid-ground. And then a whole background
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  layer behind that there's, there's gonna be so many people
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  under that and it's, they their use of three-dimensional space
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  to really fill out just the entirety of the, the screen is
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  probably only done. So you want to hear something
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  fascinating about the set that I just learned through reading the
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  book. Yes, the Entirety was filmed and
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  edited and music recorded all of it done in one old.
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  Victorian house in Toronto really.
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  Wow. Yep.
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  Like they did not have like a separate Sound Stage separate
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  place, you know, editing Bay all-in-one old house.
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  All of the entire show is that even including the Gores I've
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  seen so far. Yeah, I'm including like the
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  gorgs palace and their, their area.
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  Presumably. Yeah my guess is that a lot of
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  that was done with a blue-screen or green-screen?
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  Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. That's that's so Bonkers and
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  awesome. I just assumed it was like some
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  kind of like Duty o or something like that.
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  Yeah, cool. There's definitely, they did
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  remark. Yeah.
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  II made a note about like, how, like, for the time that they're
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  doing at the green screen, work is like really great, I thought
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  it's really smooth. Mmm, oh that's another great in
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  joke. Is that there?
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  A specific filming technique with use of a blue screen that
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  at the time was called a traveling.
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  Matt, I won't actually a gobo is like, a thing that you put over
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  a light this I need to. Yeah, I didn't know either
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  School. Many I was on the stage.
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  I was never a techie, although I have a deep respect for techies.
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  Say, I didn't Yeah, I have a theater degree and this is my
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  big takeaway from that theater degree.
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  As I know what a gobos that's fair.
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  I mean I have an engineering degree and I'm on a Fraggle Rock
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  podcast. So I have, I have no stones to
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  throw up. We're all were all there.
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  Yep. Millennia.
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  I went to baking and pastry School.
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  Wait really? That's awesome.
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  Yep, I did not know that about you.
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  I didn't I tell ya you wouldn't because I never used it.
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  I mean you're not a true Millennial if you don't have a
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  degree that you've gone on to like never touch.
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  Our actual adulthood, it's a rite of passage anyways fraggles
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  fraggles. The other thing that I wanted to
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  touch on that, I just love and it seems like a really small
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  detail, but it's huge. The, the song that Uncle
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  traveling Matt and Bobo sang together which a it's gorgeous.
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  Absolutely gorgeous song. They've got like High Country
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  harmonies. They're sort of all over the
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  place stylistically which from a musical standpoint, I really
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  appreciate but there's a bit in the middle of the song where he
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  clears his throat. Throat and that that seems so
• 21:04
  small, but it's such a human detail that that's a choice.
• 21:06
  Someone had to put that in there so that it would be there and
• 21:10
  it's just this great little organic thing that makes it seem
• 21:12
  that much more realistic. Yeah there.
• 21:16
  Yeah, I feel like, I mean, anything kind of like Muppet ear
• 21:18
  Henson a, there's a lot of, like, little moments like that
• 21:21
  that you can find that are so easy to look over, but knowing
• 21:25
  like the performers and the people behind the scenes, it's
• 21:27
  yeah, it is all like just intentional and magical the
• 21:33
  Yeah, I love the song Follow Me. I traveled abroad after college
• 21:37
  for a year and like that song, I listen to like on, repeat it.
• 21:41
  So like it holds like a really special place in my heart and
• 21:44
  it's like, I have a muppet and the Sesame Street Tattoo.
• 21:47
  And that's like this. Eventually I'm gonna get Fraggle
• 21:49
  Rock tattoo and maybe this podcast will finally be the
• 21:53
  Tipping Point of me, getting it. But I want to get some lyrics
• 21:56
  from that song. It's just beautiful and like
• 21:58
  also Jerry Nelson and Dave goals like harmonizing together is
• 22:01
  great, right? I mean, join us in singing.
• 22:03
  Anything is amazing. I'm excited to hear all of the
• 22:07
  songs. He's gonna sing throughout the
• 22:08
  show. I'm so excited for the music in
• 22:10
  general also. That's awesome.
• 22:12
  Beth, I wanted to ask what moments of this are like, given
• 22:15
  that you've seen this half a million times or so, what
• 22:18
  moments are you always like, really excited to get to see
• 22:20
  again from this episode? One of them.
• 22:24
  We will see a bit later. It's boobers honestly.
• 22:32
  Any line from Uber is just a perfect one line.
• 22:35
  It's this great. He always has like at least
• 22:38
  two-thirds of my favorite quotes in any given episode but the the
• 22:42
  Hideous round thing. Yeah, that was great.
• 22:46
  I I love boobers book of superstitions and I want it and
• 22:53
  from a more meta standpoint re-watching, this I started
• 22:59
  really looking into Tracking the interspecies relationships over
• 23:07
  time because I know where they're going to end up.
• 23:10
  And so taking note of where they are from the very beginning and
• 23:15
  then I even learned more in the book about how it was originally
• 23:19
  pitched as something different. So, we see in this first
• 23:23
  episode, the different relationships between the
• 23:27
  fraggles and docket sprocket the fraggles a and the Doozers and
• 23:33
  the fraggles and the gorgs and the fraggles and the Doozers, we
• 23:39
  see a little bit later on mostly just ignore each other like you
• 23:43
  can tell that there's a bit of a symbiotic relationship going on
• 23:45
  because the fraggles eat the doozer constructions and the
• 23:48
  Doozers are happy about that and then we see later that when the
• 23:53
  fraggles go into the gorgs garden, that that's a more
• 23:56
  antagonistic relationship that the fraggles are seen as pests
• 24:01
  and The gorgs are these big dangerous things.
• 24:04
  And when I was reading through the book, it was originally
• 24:07
  going to be the other way around that, the fraggles towards the
• 24:11
  Doozers, had a more antagonistic relationships and the doozer
• 24:14
  would run away from the fraggles and then the gorgs were seen as
• 24:18
  more like friendly and harmless and then, do I captured one to
• 24:22
  take home as a pet? Whoa.
• 24:25
  Yes. What's really fascinating to me
• 24:27
  to see how that was just completely flipped.
• 24:29
  By the time, the the real show came Route.
• 24:31
  That's so interesting. Yeah, it does make sense because
• 24:34
  I feel like you want the fraggles to be, you know, you
• 24:37
  want your audience to like the fraggles, and if they're, you
• 24:40
  know, antagonizing the Doozers and being mean to them or
• 24:43
  anything or like, yeah, chasing them or whatever.
• 24:46
  Maybe that makes them seem a little less cuddly and likable.
• 24:51
  And it also, if you have them, you know, you're rooting for
• 24:54
  them against the gorgs as well, if they're, you know, switched
• 24:58
  into that role. It's really interesting.
• 25:00
  I didn't know that. It makes sense from a narrative
• 25:02
  standpoint wanting there to, you know, you can contrast it
• 25:04
  against the, the creatures that have significantly more power
• 25:07
  being the ones that are antagonistic, and that means
• 25:09
  that you get to see the fraggles again.
• 25:11
  Misusing the power that they have over the Doozers but
• 25:13
  they're not doing necessarily doing it maliciously.
• 25:16
  Which is a thing that is much more relatable, I think if
• 25:19
  you're a kid watching it. And also if you're an author
• 25:21
  wanting to help kids, understand World Peace.
• 25:23
  Mmm, totally. Yeah.
• 25:25
  So okay. The Doozers are they to make?
• 25:29
  Could we do we ever and you don't have to To give me any
• 25:31
  words in this. But do we ever find out any more
• 25:33
  specifics about their building materials?
• 25:35
  Yes, cool. Here's my theory.
• 25:37
  Don't confirm it or do if you want to great.
• 25:40
  My theory is that the Doozers are smelting down some essential
• 25:45
  nutrient or essential mineral. That the fraggles need is a part
• 25:49
  of their diet to survive. And that the reason that they
• 25:52
  are doing this is because it helps them manage their own
• 25:56
  population control and space because they are reliant on.
• 26:01
  On. Then this is the bit where it
• 26:02
  gets a little fuzzy but the fraggles are reliant upon the
• 26:04
  Doozers to smelt this nutrient and get it into a much more
• 26:08
  concentrated traded form or as the Doozers are reliant upon the
• 26:12
  fraggles to scare away. Any other particularly large
• 26:14
  predators that might see the Doozers is food.
• 26:17
  You put so much thought into like this.
• 26:19
  What like two-minute segment of this episode?
• 26:23
  Why else would they buildings? And it's just I just I mean
• 26:30
  without any spoilers I think that Beth you would know we're
• 26:35
  gonna find out more about like the doozer constructions like
• 26:39
  within the first season, right? Like I don't remember maybe when
• 26:43
  we find out like what they're made of and how they're made and
• 26:47
  can't be later than season two, right?
• 26:49
  Right? Like we because there are
• 26:52
  certain like doozer, there is a doozer cat-like character that
• 26:55
  is going to eventually become important down the line.
• 26:58
  But maybe that maybe that is until further.
• 27:01
  I and here's the thing it's been 10 years.
• 27:02
  So I don't know. But these yeah.
• 27:06
  And I remember the individual episodes but I cannot for the
• 27:08
  life of me recall where in the series, that's fair.
• 27:11
  So answers will be given just who knows how long it will take
• 27:16
  for us to get to those answers? Oh good.
• 27:18
  I'm just gonna keep my No, it's ready.
• 27:20
  I mean but this is no, I love these.
• 27:23
  This is like deep. This is so great.
• 27:25
  Like, please keep bringing theories to the podcast of on
• 27:29
  like what you think is going to happen through the progression
• 27:31
  of this show. Thank you.
• 27:33
  This is I was gonna do that anyway, but I'm glad it's going
• 27:36
  over. Well, this is going absorbed
• 27:38
  media ever. Since I started watching
• 27:40
  Adventure Time. Excellent.
• 27:41
  Oh, yeah. The other thing that I wanted to
• 27:43
  say about the Jews are puppets is just if you LIF.
• 27:46
  So that was a deep ecological dive.
• 27:48
  If I may know get into a deep philosophical, Philosophical
• 27:50
  dive who? So the fascinating thing about
• 27:53
  the doozer puppets, is that the thing that is moving them,
• 27:56
  predominantly is the machines that they're using from a
• 27:59
  mechanical standpoint. That's where the actual like,
• 28:02
  the motors are and like there are some of them that have the
• 28:04
  little wind-up legs, but whenever you see them working,
• 28:06
  it's the machine that is actually working.
• 28:09
  The the machine that they're on, has the motor.
• 28:11
  That's the one that's being, you know, controlled and just the
• 28:14
  idea that it is projecting the image of a doozer.
• 28:17
  That is moving a machine when the reality is Is the machine
• 28:20
  that is moving. The doozer puppet is just so
• 28:23
  hashtag deep. We will definitely I think
• 28:28
  probably when we get a doozer Centric episode.
• 28:32
  We'll do more of a deep dive on how all of the remote control
• 28:38
  mechanics worked, and the genius of bazookas who made it all
• 28:42
  happen. Mr. Physical Sky.
• 28:44
  Appreciate the heck out of you sir, that is not a lot of margin
• 28:47
  for error. Those are some skinny little
• 28:48
  walkways. Oh and Also, the other name of
• 28:53
  people, we need to thank for the existence of this show.
• 28:56
  So we talked a bit about Duncan Kenworthy, Michael K frith.
• 29:01
  Yes, with the conceptual artist, this book is jam-packed with
• 29:06
  Fritz sketches and it just Delights my heart to no end.
• 29:11
  I would love to see those so Emma up in your neck of the
• 29:13
  woods. Yeah every time you see like a
• 29:16
  particularly you know, beautiful Cave.
• 29:20
  And the weird little Moss is growing on it and the weird
• 29:23
  little creatures in the background that is all fresh.
• 29:26
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 29:27
  What happens next in the episode?
• 29:29
  What have we got into at this point?
• 29:30
  Probably at this point. It's Gobo going to go visit the
• 29:34
  trash Heap. Yes oh my God that was amazing.
• 29:40
  Yeah. Yeah that's Marjorie.
• 29:42
  The trash Heap and her. Oh my gosh.
• 29:44
  I didn't write down their names. Who are her two little
• 29:47
  companions but they're like fun. Mungo and gorp, that's not right
• 29:55
  to let you struggle, what are their names.
• 29:59
  Their names are Philo and gunge. I got the worst was really
• 30:03
  close, really close and the number of syllables.
• 30:06
  So, eight easy mnemonic for remembering who is who so phyllo
• 30:10
  is spelled, Pho ILO and filo and pink, both start with a pea and
• 30:16
  gunge and gray, both start with the G.
• 30:18
  Cool, cool. I mean I know that they're both
• 30:20
  played by David and Richard but yeah, I couldn't remember the
• 30:24
  names or which one was which so? Okay.
• 30:26
  I that will be my Endeavor for the rest of this podcast.
• 30:28
  It's rarely going to be relevant.
• 30:30
  Which one is, which is short, because they're, they're always
• 30:33
  together and they're always with the trash Heap, so it doesn't
• 30:36
  matter. I don't think there's ever a
• 30:37
  plot point where you need to tell them apart but you know
• 30:40
  there is actually there. There you go.
• 30:42
  There's an episode later on that deals with like more heavily
• 30:47
  with one of them than the other and it's really tasty.
• 30:50
  Okay, well I look forward to that then also can I just say I
• 30:53
  love what an oddly supportive relationship they have.
• 30:56
  Like I wish I could just have to little rats.
• 30:58
  Follow me around. And whenever I make a
• 30:59
  declaration just be like the trash Heap has spoken, right?
• 31:03
  We all need hype men. I want I see something.
• 31:05
  I don't want. Like, man, I want High Pratt's
• 31:07
  High. Perhaps.
• 31:10
  Then like, they'll intro you and you'll just break out until like
• 31:13
  a saw look. Oh shit.
• 31:15
  An amazing blues song that absolutely slaps.
• 31:18
  Holy, mackerel. Yeah.
• 31:20
  Oh, so okay. I have to find this quote.
• 31:23
  So at first glance, the idea of an omnipotent trash Heap being
• 31:30
  the Oracle for the civilization is absurd and hilarious and it's
• 31:35
  great to just have it at that level and then I This quote,
• 31:40
  once again, this is Michael Kay forth when archaeologists look
• 31:44
  into an ancient civilization, they don't go to the castle.
• 31:48
  They go to the dump. It's where you really find out
• 31:51
  how people lived. So I've always loved the idea of
• 31:54
  a dump as being a great repository of knowledge and a
• 31:58
  living dump could then impart that knowledge to you.
• 32:01
  That's so cool. Right?
• 32:04
  Oh wow. That's a lot deeper than I that
• 32:06
  I thought for that character. Yeah, no, I Idea, I did write
• 32:10
  down a note that like Marjorie is made up of primarily like
• 32:15
  leaves and like the remains of fruits and vegetables, so it's
• 32:18
  not going to happen, but it would be funny that if she just
• 32:21
  composted herself as the show went along like just broke down
• 32:25
  in compost. Yeah.
• 32:27
  I mean markers got like some great songs as the show
• 32:29
  progresses. And, you know, she's always
• 32:31
  there to Dole out wisdom to the fraggles.
• 32:34
  That's are they always that like bluesy because that was amazing.
• 32:38
  One of the Things that will see throughout the Fraggle, Rock
• 32:42
  songs, is that you get almost every genre of music.
• 32:46
  You can think of, we're going to get rockabilly.
• 32:49
  We're gonna get regarding Calypso.
• 32:54
  Would you say for gory and chance?
• 32:56
  Oh, I don't know if we get Gregorian, chants, but we just
• 33:00
  them, it's the Henson people, that's rad, you know, I really,
• 33:05
  I really want to hear a cover of that with like a really husky
• 33:07
  female Blues vocalist. I think that would be amazing.
• 33:09
  I think I would totally dancer that I know of a cover with what
• 33:13
  I'm guessing is a male vocalist. I'll accept that but watch
• 33:18
  yourself McCoy. Yeah, there's a whole album of
• 33:24
  Fraggle Rock cover songs by different artists and bands and
• 33:28
  it's delightful. Nice, I will send you the link
• 33:31
  to that, please do. And hey, we might even drop that
• 33:33
  in the show notes. Excellent keas feel like, feel
• 33:37
  like an all official podcast saying we're to put a link for
• 33:40
  something in our show notes. I did love the message that
• 33:43
  like, Yeah, from the song that the trash Heap was singing that
• 33:47
  like every dream will come with troubles and pain.
• 33:50
  That, that is not a thing that you see a lot in Children's
• 33:54
  Museum. A lot of times the troubles in
• 33:56
  the pain, just sort of get hand waved by a montage.
• 34:00
  And the idea that like know everything you want to do is
• 34:02
  going to have some rough stuff to it.
• 34:04
  That sucks. Mmm.
• 34:05
  That's what the troubles and pain are standing in the way of
• 34:09
  the thing that you want. Yeah.
• 34:11
  Rather than part of the process. Yeah.
• 34:14
  I feel like that's yeah. Often with like media for
• 34:17
  children. Your told like, you know, once
• 34:19
  you get around the troubles like everything is great as opposed
• 34:23
  to this which is so much more true that like you know it's
• 34:26
  gonna always be there you know, as a millennial.
• 34:28
  I can tell you why. Once you get around the
• 34:30
  troubles, there are bigger trouble or more troubles, the
• 34:33
  Relentless mhm. Yeah.
• 34:35
  I thought the song had a nice message and then, you know,
• 34:37
  afterward when when Gobo is is giving him his troubles, her
• 34:41
  advice is basically like, oh you're you feel alone and you
• 34:45
  don't know what to do. Go get your friends man.
• 34:49
  Like yeah, and it's, it's so straightforward, but I feel like
• 34:53
  it's very true, especially I feel like, you know, to date us.
• 34:57
  We are currently living through a global pandemic.
• 35:00
  And it's really easy to feel alone these days.
• 35:03
  And it's such a simple thing to be like, oh yeah, if I feel
• 35:06
  alone, I should just call a friend, you know, or concept,
• 35:10
  right? Yeah.
• 35:11
  Or oh, I gotta go do this thing that I'm like, nervous about
• 35:14
  doing. I could just talk to a friend
• 35:16
  and maybe they'll help me out. It's like a very simple concept
• 35:20
  but it's, it's also just very true and I think it's a really
• 35:23
  easy thing to like, just kind of sidestep sometimes and it's
• 35:28
  yeah, it's a nice thing to To be reminded of.
• 35:31
  Hmm and go above, especially is one of those characters that's
• 35:34
  gonna try and do things on his own.
• 35:37
  And not ask for help, like that's going to be his default
• 35:40
  mode. And he's got to be reminded
• 35:42
  occasionally like hey you have this Supporting Cast for a
• 35:46
  reason Gobo Gobo me too buddy. Me too oof.
• 35:51
  Yeah. I also, I love the other piece
• 35:53
  of advice that she gave him that.
• 35:55
  I put she her for the trash Heap, right?
• 35:57
  Yes, Marjorie. Yeah.
• 35:59
  Which is Just because I like the idea of like the the sort of
• 36:02
  Mother Earth figure there's sort of the idea of like a mother
• 36:04
  death figure and I like the idea that there's sort of a mother
• 36:07
  refuse figure is that is, but anyways, the other piece of
• 36:12
  advice is he's like there's this monster and she's like you just
• 36:14
  came through a gorg garden to get here.
• 36:16
  My dude what are you scared of? Yeah.
• 36:19
  Idea that like yes you might be scared but you already do
• 36:23
  something similar to this like it's nothing.
• 36:26
  Yeah. Absolutely.
• 36:26
  I also wrote that down in my notes.
• 36:29
  Yeah. So after that we move on to Gobo
• 36:31
  takes her advice and talks about his fears to his, his friends.
• 36:39
  And the knows I wrote down for that are one Uncle.
• 36:43
  Matt really should have established exactly what every
• 36:46
  few days means, big. I also wrote a note like, how
• 36:51
  does Uncle traveling? Matt know how he doesn't know
• 36:55
  anything about outer space, but he knows how the postal system
• 36:58
  works and how to get us. Hand on postcards and like, get
• 37:01
  a stamp on with an address. Look right.
• 37:04
  That's never explained really helpful and they won't judge
• 37:07
  you. Okay, that's fair.
• 37:09
  Maybe there's a cut scene where he's talking to a postal carrier
• 37:12
  and they're telling him how to how to do all of it.
• 37:15
  If there's any government agency that I would trust to just
• 37:18
  explain a mail system to a small furry alien.
• 37:20
  It's the postal service, but it's true.
• 37:23
  So one thing that I've noticed is that when travelling Matt is
• 37:27
  out in outer space which is Our world his interactions with the
• 37:32
  silly creatures, which are humans.
• 37:34
  Sometimes they can see him and sometimes they cannot.
• 37:38
  Yeah, I noticed that in this episode, like, the car like
• 37:40
  that, almost hit him honked at him, but then, like the group of
• 37:43
  kids, walking by did not notice him at all.
• 37:47
  I mean he didn't sort of hide. That's true.
• 37:49
  And they were like, kind of chatting, so I guess he was just
• 37:51
  out of their periphery, but yeah, it's going to be
• 37:53
  interesting to kind of track. You know what those moments are
• 37:57
  of like a when he has, like an Well, interaction with a silly
• 38:01
  creature and when they're just kind of not seeing the presence
• 38:06
  of this strange, little creature in their world.
• 38:10
  I can actually kind of jump back for just a quick second that I
• 38:13
  there's there's this really interesting bit with what's the,
• 38:16
  the pink ones name again. The Helpful time.
• 38:19
  Okay mokey this bit with Mochi where he's like I don't know
• 38:22
  what to do and he says something and I don't remember exactly
• 38:25
  what it was. He said but she responds with.
• 38:26
  Don't worry. He says I don't want to talk
• 38:28
  about it and She says, don't worry, we'll leave you alone.
• 38:31
  No one will talk to you about anything of this at all.
• 38:34
  He goes. Wow, when you're wrong, you're
• 38:35
  wrong. And I just, I love that they're
• 38:37
  already establishing that she means, well, but doesn't
• 38:39
  actually take the time to stop and understand things.
• 38:41
  Yep. Yeah, yeah.
• 38:44
  That's, we're going to see more of that spoilers.
• 38:47
  I watched an episode later in the season and there's, it's a
• 38:51
  whole thing about that. Yep.
• 38:53
  It's all it. And then, so he gets together
• 38:56
  with his friends and then they see.
• 38:59
  The horrible red thing gasp. So I did make a note about of
• 39:06
  the things that dock is unpacking from this box.
• 39:11
  Like you setting up the workshop is like you know some normal
• 39:15
  things like a telescope. Okay.
• 39:17
  That I guess that makes sense for a tinker scientist guy to
• 39:20
  have, but a pineapple. Yeah, there was just a and it's
• 39:23
  not that it was. There he takes it out of the
• 39:25
  box. Hmm.
• 39:26
  Which means it was in the box with the telescope.
• 39:30
  Why Snack. He's prepared for having like a
• 39:33
  snack time. Next time, he's in the workshop.
• 39:35
  Just got a whole lot. What?
• 39:37
  I know, what a hardcore man. Just just a loose pineapple, not
• 39:42
  skins. Not just, nope, take a bite out
• 39:45
  of that. Like an apple.
• 39:46
  Wow, doc just went from like a to to like an 8 on the
• 39:49
  terrifying scale. What you don't see is on the
• 39:54
  other side of the table, there's just a bunch of bite marks from
• 39:57
  when he'd forgotten his pineapple, but still needed to
• 39:59
  snack. And so he just consumed the The
• 40:01
  table. We're gonna you know we're gonna
• 40:05
  have to keep track of Doc as the show progresses.
• 40:08
  See if there's any more clues to like his life outside of the
• 40:11
  workshop that side of pineapples.
• 40:14
  Also, every time he talks about the workshop, I've been playing
• 40:16
  a lot of blood-borne and so that's all I can think of and
• 40:18
  it's a really weird mashup. It doesn't not work but oh it's
• 40:21
  a weird mashup. Unfortunately, I don't get that
• 40:24
  reference. It's a I'll explain it off
• 40:27
  camera, it's super nice. It's we're already doing a niche
• 40:30
  podcast. I don't need to go for The even
• 40:32
  Essure intersection there in. Although the speaking about
• 40:39
  weird intersections that you wouldn't think exists one of my
• 40:43
  goals is to get as guests on our podcast.
• 40:47
  The guys who did fraggle Shrugged.
• 40:49
  Yes. Oh my goodness, can you talk a
• 40:52
  little bit about that? Just the listener.
• 40:53
  Yeah. So is that, oh my goodness, I'm
• 40:55
  so glad that exists in leading up to this podcast.
• 40:59
  I was like, well, surely this has been done before someone
• 41:01
  must have done at, you know, episode per episode podcast a
• 41:05
  Fraggle Rock because Internet everything already exists it.
• 41:09
  Yes, and no. So they've got a lot of, you
• 41:13
  know, one off episodes of a bunch of podcasts out there.
• 41:16
  Usually about, you know, retro stuff or, you know, stuff we
• 41:21
  remember from the 80s but there was one podcast called fraggle
• 41:27
  Shrugged. We're in these two Danish.
• 41:30
  Guys will watch an episode of Fraggle Rock and then read a
• 41:35
  chapter of Of Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand and talk about the ways
• 41:42
  in which they're similar and different and it is hilarious
• 41:46
  and at times horrifying and delightful and yet highly
• 41:52
  recommend just to be clear for anyone who's listening.
• 41:54
  They're not pro and Rand in this they're not right they're not
• 41:58
  thank you for that will show entirely different that'd be a
• 42:02
  very different show and I don't think I'd want to talk to those
• 42:04
  people. I kind of would but for
• 42:06
  different The reason. Yeah, I actually I had my notes
• 42:09
  stop at the pineapple because I was just, I had so many
• 42:13
  questions. So I had a note about once
• 42:17
  again, kind of tracking the cross-species relationship when
• 42:21
  traveling Matt and Gobo first encounter Dawkins sprocket there
• 42:24
  immediately like kind of suspicious, and weary and
• 42:28
  sprockets barking. So they think that he's this,
• 42:30
  you know, ferocious aggressive creature.
• 42:32
  And so when Gobo comes back and actually encounters, Sprocket
• 42:37
  face-to-face. Sprocket does kind of like grab
• 42:40
  at him but I don't think he's trying to hurt him.
• 42:43
  I think it's more of a like he's trying to get Doc's attention
• 42:46
  like there's a strange thing here come look at the strange
• 42:50
  thing so I can show this to you. Yeah I mean we could we could do
• 42:54
  a whole thing about how this show is so full of just
• 42:57
  sprockets bids for Doc's attention and Doc rejecting
• 42:59
  sprockets bids oof. Yeah too busy unpacking
• 43:03
  pineapples Downer there but yeah.
• 43:07
  You're not wrong though. You don't tell your dog to go
• 43:10
  play with himself. That's no sir.
• 43:14
  That's yeah, that's not how owning a dog works.
• 43:16
  You gotta give it a tension ownership.
• 43:18
  Yeah. I mean I love style of sprocket,
• 43:21
  I'm sure it'll come up throughout this podcast but my
• 43:24
  like day job is I work with dogs and just all like the man your
• 43:28
  mannerisms of sprocket and like obviously he is a lot more
• 43:31
  sentient than actual dog, he doesn't speak but he obviously
• 43:35
  he understands Everything that's being said and he is conscious
• 43:39
  of like the fraggles are something that he needs to show
• 43:42
  Doc because they're not of this world.
• 43:45
  But yeah. Like just little the little
• 43:47
  things about him in the movements like they really like
• 43:50
  kind of like we talked about like even like the breathing and
• 43:52
  whatnot like they I don't know I feel like they did their
• 43:55
  research on the movements of a dog and I less private.
• 43:58
  He's so cute and he's I don't I will get more into it but he's
• 44:02
  like growing relationship with Doc but also eventually me Be
• 44:06
  with the fraggles is something that is really nice buddy.
• 44:12
  Yeah I also have a note in there about because I had that note
• 44:15
  about his body language but then it turns out that doesn't come
• 44:18
  up in this episode but in this episode you get to see them
• 44:22
  moving him around. So you get to see that there's
• 44:24
  like a hand for his torso in a hand for his rear and the just
• 44:29
  the way that they got that like doggy sort of bouncing gents,
• 44:32
  totally? Yeah, absolutely spot-on.
• 44:36
  And he just It's his ball back. Also, you know, the sprocket is
• 44:40
  ball when he has like latched onto Gobo and everyone's like,
• 44:43
  oh let's they like toss his red ball, out of the hole that he's
• 44:48
  will be like, oh, this is now more important and he just goes
• 44:51
  and chase after the ball. That's like, so, on point for
• 44:53
  dogs, like, they could be doing something that to then at the
• 44:56
  moment is really important. But then the second ball is
• 44:59
  thrown. They're like, yeah, but I gotta
• 45:00
  go get this ball. Yep.
• 45:02
  Writers are like children. The easiest redirect method is
• 45:05
  distraction Yes 100%. Yeah that I also I love the what
• 45:10
  is it the the fraggle with the hat is like throw away.
• 45:15
  Whatever boober boober boober is like throw the horrible red
• 45:20
  thing in a real ghost. Wow.
• 45:22
  Establishing that there is some internal conflict even in
• 45:25
  moments of emergency is a nice little character detail that I
• 45:27
  really appreciated. Yeah, I love boober either.
• 45:31
  You've already mentioned Beth like that.
• 45:32
  He's got so many great lines, boober and is Nimbly.
• 45:36
  We like didn't get much wimbley in this episode, but I think
• 45:39
  when Liz probably my favorite character is the next episode
• 45:41
  Wembley episode and I'm making that up, I don't remember you'll
• 45:45
  find out, you'll find out, find out record next time and the
• 45:49
  next time I see if the next episode is the wimbley episode,
• 45:52
  I think there might be but also, I could be wrong - yeah, but
• 45:56
  yeah, I don't have too many other notes either.
• 45:57
  The last note that I have is this episode ends with Doc being
• 46:01
  like, Oh, that ugly hole is still here.
• 46:03
  Well, don't worry. I'll board it up.
• 46:05
  One of these days and it's Like no dude because there wouldn't
• 46:08
  be a show we have to like we have to see like Gobo and his
• 46:12
  uncle communicate about outer space and so it's very clear
• 46:16
  that you're not actually gonna. He got onto this one project of
• 46:19
  like fixing up this workshop and then has now moved on to not
• 46:23
  doing the project of patching up the hole in his wall.
• 46:26
  So what you're telling me is that the entire narrative
• 46:28
  mechanics of this show hinges, on one man's executive
• 46:31
  dysfunction, basically sounds about right and you will see How
• 46:37
  his actually getting stuff done around the workshop every once
• 46:40
  in awhile, affects those in Fraggle Rock.
• 46:42
  Oh yeah. What an interesting metaphor.
• 46:45
  What if all of the shifts in our culture are just God?
• 46:47
  Tidying house. Doc as a metaphor for God, it's
• 46:53
  like oh God, we've got these strange weather patterns and
• 46:55
  climate change and God's up there.
• 46:56
  Like I sewed, a button to a fried egg and that's how we got
• 47:01
  the Platypus. Yeah, you know, when when
• 47:04
  European explorers first try, The Platypus they legitimately
• 47:07
  like, like, shaved it and searched it for Stitch marks
• 47:11
  because they were so severe that it had it was like created, do
• 47:15
  we want to do? We want to get to the extra then
• 47:17
  if there's anything else? Yeah, any other final notes
• 47:20
  people want to throw out, I think I hit on my fake, fake
• 47:23
  notes. My only other note that I had
• 47:26
  was like just like one little moment.
• 47:28
  We're gonna has to run across the avoid the gorgs and he says,
• 47:32
  I'll have to sneak through a gorg's garden without a gorg.
• 47:34
  Seeing me and then Immediately jr.
• 47:37
  Sees him like no, hesitation like you just such a bad job
• 47:41
  sneaking. That's why only knows I was.
• 47:44
  Also my favorite thing about that moment, as he turns to the
• 47:46
  camera and goes, sometimes it works.
• 47:49
  Yeah, that's true. That's it for me.
• 47:52
  That's the stylist. Know, I have one other note,
• 47:55
  which is that Mookie's wearing a necklace which again if it's
• 47:59
  there it's a choice and I'm I just I'm wondering if that is
• 48:02
  going to be plot relevant later if that's just sort of a
• 48:04
  decoration character detail. I don't think that particular
• 48:08
  item becomes plow relevant. Cool.
• 48:11
  Good to know. I also have the other
• 48:13
  observation, like, in the intro where the fraggles are singing
• 48:17
  their, like, their group song about dance and sing all day and
• 48:20
  we see kind of the entire fraggle Clan.
• 48:23
  Some of them like the main characters workloads, a lot of
• 48:27
  the fraggles don't wear clothes. It's this is this never
• 48:31
  addressed in the future episode. I, you know, I don't think it is
• 48:35
  a I was just like, yeah, I'm sure it's probably so not
• 48:40
  important, but I was like, is that like a point of contention
• 48:42
  that some of them are just running around free from?
• 48:46
  I mean, I can see some quote-unquote children's,
• 48:49
  television activist groups on Facebook or what happened
• 48:52
  getting are other very irritated about that, all the Facebook was
• 48:55
  it around the 80s, thankfully, thank Christ.
• 48:58
  But yeah, real Winnie, the Pooh playing, I kind of, I kind of
• 49:01
  assumed that like for poohbear, that like the clothing was were
• 49:05
  just like to add Add Flair and like, obviously, all the main
• 49:07
  characters wear some form of apparel.
• 49:09
  But there were there, there were several during the song that
• 49:12
  just weren't wearing anything. And I was like, is this
• 49:14
  important, or am I reading too much into this probably?
• 49:18
  It's mostly for establishing character.
• 49:22
  Yes, if a character is going to be notable, they will have a
• 49:26
  distinguishing item of clothing. Sure.
• 49:28
  And if not, they're just kind of there in the back on me.
• 49:32
  If I want people to stop paying attention to me, I need to take
• 49:35
  my clothes off and hang out. In the background.
• 49:37
  Precisely absolutely solid. All right, so we're going to
• 49:40
  wrap up here. I'm heading out to Denny's and
• 49:43
  this will be a good night. The only other note I had was in
• 49:50
  traveling Matt's segment, what will come to be known as like
• 49:53
  the postcard segment, when he sends back to go Bo?
• 49:55
  And he says so far, I've been attacked by a large Beast run
• 49:58
  into an unfriendly, yellow fellow and escaped from an army
• 50:01
  carrying deadly weapons. If I put this in a message to go
• 50:04
  Bo, he'll never believe it. I'll just say I'm fine.
• 50:07
  Which I just found that so relatable, it's like stuff is
• 50:11
  happening and it's scary. But I'm gonna tell the people
• 50:16
  back home that everything's fine because I don't want them to
• 50:18
  worry. It's want you to worry, it's
• 50:20
  incredibly relatable, but also He's supposed to be documenting
• 50:22
  everything that happens to him and already.
• 50:24
  He's just like fudging the the truth and he's just like, oh I'm
• 50:29
  fine. Nothing to report.
• 50:30
  Yeah. From an emotional standpoint, I
• 50:32
  empathize but as a scientist I'm offended.
• 50:36
  Maybe because we do see him writing in a notebook.
• 50:39
  So I'm hoping that he's like, recording true.
• 50:41
  He's actual impressions in the notebook and then just
• 50:44
  editorializing in the post and the post cards.
• 50:46
  Maybe that's a good point. Hopefully that makes sense for
• 50:51
  the sake of science. Cool.
• 50:53
  And then the closing segments were takeaways and then how to
• 50:57
  make the world a little bit fraggle?
• 50:59
  ER yeah Forefront fraggle or is that my my conjugating that
• 51:02
  properly right? Regular Fregley earlier.
• 51:06
  Regulation who I like frag layer?
• 51:08
  Fregley. ER I mean takeaways from the
• 51:10
  episode I wrote down like the major overarching themes at for
• 51:14
  this one where the like the power the power of friendship
• 51:18
  dealing with like changes and then overcoming new challenges
• 51:21
  seem to kind of be like the main focuses that that we were
• 51:24
  getting in this one. That's really interesting
• 51:26
  because the theme that I got was like a lot more of sort of
• 51:28
  unintentional, interconnectedness.
• 51:31
  I mean, honestly, that's the theme of the entire Series so
• 51:33
  totally. Yeah.
• 51:34
  Yeah, we're going to see a Of that.
• 51:37
  Yeah. And like, yeah, I guess just
• 51:39
  like the overall takeaway. I feel like a lot of the
• 51:41
  takeaways just kind of come from Marjorie often but like, you
• 51:45
  know, just reaching out to your friends when you really when you
• 51:49
  need, when you need the help. Yeah, for me, the biggest
• 51:52
  takeaway is that wonderful contrast of the seriousness and
• 51:57
  silliness that, yeah, be be unashamed of the silliness that
• 52:03
  you carry. And Learn how important it is.
• 52:08
  Hmm cool that's nice. Yeah.
• 52:11
  How would each of you make the world a little fraggle earlier?
• 52:16
  I mean to me those were the the kind of the same question.
• 52:19
  Oh, I thought we were going to give like specific little
• 52:22
  fraggle e advice because I've been sitting on mine.
• 52:24
  But I was going to do the what's what's yours?
• 52:26
  Go for it. Oh, take off your clothes.
• 52:28
  Hang out of the background in. Eat a pilot, an apple.
• 52:33
  Well now we have to give one of those No disclaimers of like
• 52:37
  don't listen to Our advice I see I feel like if we even try to do
• 52:41
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• 52:43
  going to go well yep don't listen to us.
• 52:46
  This is not good advice. I wouldn't I wouldn't even trust
• 52:49
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• 52:55
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