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BPS 437: No Budget, All Hustle: The Filmmaking Grind of Staci Layne Wilson · Bulletproof Screenwriting™ Podcast

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Speaker 3: Amazon number one best seller for her book Sola, a
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Speaker 3: Hollywood Memoir. We're going to talk about all the good
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Speaker 3: stuff Dead Central, hosting shows, the BBC, how she got
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Speaker 3: all these really cool gigs, growing up in La surrounded
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Speaker 3: by celebrities, with two celebrity parents, all that and much
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Speaker 3: much more with guests Stacy Lane Wilson. You have a
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Speaker 3: very interesting background and you have a very interesting sort
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Speaker 3: of way you've got into the film industry. You were basically,
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Speaker 3: you know, you were born into the end of this
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Speaker 3: industry because you have you wrote a book, so La,
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Speaker 3: a Hollywood Memoir. Uncensored Tales by the rock Star and
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Speaker 3: pinnup model and you talk about obviously and like you
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Speaker 3: say in your bio, you are a unicorn because not
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Speaker 3: only were you born and raised in LA, you're still
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Speaker 3: in La. So right, so you know, being you know,
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Speaker 3: being born in LA. Do you feel that you were
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Speaker 3: just basically you had you felt compelled or maybe even
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Speaker 3: sort of sort of like driven to go into the
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Speaker 3: film industry, you know.
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Speaker 4: Not necessarily, and it didn't happen until fairly late in
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Speaker 4: my life. But I feel like there is a lot
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Speaker 4: to the argument of nature versus but I got on
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Speaker 4: both count's nature and nurture in the creative world. So
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Speaker 4: I'm just a creative person and that's how my mind works.
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Speaker 4: So I do feel I was predisposed to doing something
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Speaker 4: in not necessarily the industry quote unquote, but just doing
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Speaker 4: things that are more creative than technical, say or mathematical.
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Speaker 4: That's just not my thing. And my parents are both
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Speaker 4: the same, So I feel like that I just inherited
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Speaker 4: sort of that predisposition to be a storyteller. My dad
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Speaker 4: is a storyteller through his music, my mother through her writing.
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Speaker 4: So I feel like that's just why I am what
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Speaker 4: I am.
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Speaker 3: So when you were sort of growing up, you know,
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Speaker 3: and I imagine you obviously growing up in that area.
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Speaker 3: Did you see like a lot did you go to
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Speaker 3: school or maybe even know like famous people, Like did
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Speaker 3: you go like hang around famous people or maybe were
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Speaker 3: they coming by the house. The reason I bring that
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Speaker 3: up Stacy's I actually had a guest on the show,
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Speaker 3: and he actually, when he was younger, he celebrities were
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Speaker 3: calling the house and they used to call him on
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Speaker 3: the landline phone and he would answer and he'd go,
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Speaker 3: why is Moe from the Three Stooges calling me or
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Speaker 3: calling my dad? I mean, you know why?
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Speaker 1: You know?
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Speaker 3: So, did did you have anything like that?
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Speaker 4: Well? Apparently I don't remember it because I was quite young,
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Speaker 4: but my mother actually had an illicit affair with Bobby Kennedy,
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Speaker 4: and so he would call and come over, and you know,
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Speaker 4: apparently we had conversations, but I was only I was
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Speaker 4: like two when he died, so I don't remember much
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Speaker 4: about that. But apparently I could hold my own in
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Speaker 4: a conversation with Bobby Kennedy. And then my mom was
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Speaker 4: also friends with Alan Sherman, who was a singer songwriter
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Speaker 4: kind of the novel key comedic songs. He put out albums,
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Speaker 4: you know, when that kind of thing was popular. One
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Speaker 4: of his songs was Hello Abada, Hello Flata, you know,
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Speaker 4: some kind of thing about the camp U. I don't
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Speaker 4: know the whole thing, but so he and I were
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Speaker 4: apparently friends, and I don't remember that either, But as
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Speaker 4: I got a little bit older, I did talk to
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Speaker 4: some of my dad's friends, Like I do remember that
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Speaker 4: Glenn Campbell was his neighbor up the street in Sherman Oaks, California.
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Speaker 4: So my father, being a musician, knew a lot of
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Speaker 4: the really great singer songwriters of the era. So I
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Speaker 4: remember talking to them to some degree. But when I
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Speaker 4: was a little kid, I was really really interested in
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Speaker 4: horses and horseback riding, so that was kind of horses
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Speaker 4: were my best friends.
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Speaker 3: Really, So did you when when you were a little
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Speaker 3: kid and when we were on horses, did you actually
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Speaker 3: want to like maybe go into the questrine or maybe
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Speaker 3: become like an actual like something to do with horses
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Speaker 3: more than anything else.
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Speaker 4: I did to some degree, But then I looked at
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Speaker 4: my bank account, I was like, oh, wait a minute,
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Speaker 4: this isn't a good idea. But when I was a
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Speaker 4: little kid, I was definitely really, really into it. I
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Speaker 4: showed horses, and in fact, one of my main competitors
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Speaker 4: when I was showing ponies was Urve Villachez, who was
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Speaker 4: tattoo on the Fantasy Island TV show. He had ponies
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Speaker 4: being of diminutive stature. I suppose that's why. But so
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Speaker 4: so I used to show and really was into training
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Speaker 4: horses for a long time in my life. And I
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Speaker 4: actually did start out with that sort of as a
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Speaker 4: business goal, and I did it for quite a few years,
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Speaker 4: but it just really is a drain on the old
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Speaker 4: bank account. And as much as I love horses, I
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Speaker 4: eventually had to say goodbye to them. And I still
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Speaker 4: love horses, but I just don't own them anymore. But
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Speaker 4: it was a really great sort of the juxtaposition for
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Speaker 4: me as a young girl growing up in Los Angeles
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Speaker 4: with my parents being who they are, that I was
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Speaker 4: able to have that outdoor life and to really be
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Speaker 4: brought down to earth, so to speak, working with horses,
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Speaker 4: because they don't care who your parents are or who
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Speaker 4: you are. They just care that you're going to treat
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Speaker 4: them well and that you're going to, you know, be
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Speaker 4: a good person, and that is really important when it
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Speaker 4: comes to working with animals and training courses, and I
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Speaker 4: feel like that has filtered out into my everyday life
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Speaker 4: and talking to people and being in business and being
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Speaker 4: a writer and all those things really gave me a
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Speaker 4: great foundation as a kid.
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Speaker 3: So when you mentioned they don't care who your parents are,
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Speaker 3: did did any did you ever find out? Like when
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Speaker 3: growing up or even when you're in your teenage years,
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Speaker 3: you know, did anyone ever? You know, it's almost like, hey,
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Speaker 3: can I ever you know, get to do something with
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Speaker 3: your dad, or hey can I ever get to do
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Speaker 3: some of mom? Did you ever experience that growing.
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Speaker 5: Up to a degree?
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Speaker 4: I mean, my mom is not you know what you'd say,
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Speaker 4: is famous, but she was a pin up model back
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Speaker 4: in the day, and it was kind of funny. You know,
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Speaker 4: when you're growing up and you're especially those awkward early
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Speaker 4: teenage years where you really don't want to stand out
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Speaker 4: or be different, So you know, people looking at my
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Speaker 4: mom's centerfolds or whatever, my friends, was kind of funny
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Speaker 4: and awkward, but it was also cool. And as far
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Speaker 4: as my father goes, he is Don Wilson, the guitarist
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Speaker 4: for The Ventures, and that is the number one selling
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Speaker 4: instrumental band of all time. They did songs like wife
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Speaker 4: My Vot and Pipeline and vipe Out and whatnot. So,
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Speaker 4: you know, back in the early eighties, late seventies, early eighties,
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Speaker 4: as I was a teenage girl growing up, a lot
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Speaker 4: of the guys in school knew where the Ventures were
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Speaker 4: because they were learning how to play guitar and whatnot.
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Speaker 4: But personally I was very much into harder rock like
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Speaker 4: led Zeppelin and the Rolling Stones and groups like that.
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Speaker 4: So to me, like the Ventures were not exactly uncool,
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Speaker 4: but not exactly you.
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Speaker 5: Know, my cup of tea as far as music.
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Speaker 4: So it was kind of funny to hear my friends
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Speaker 4: say how much, you know, they really loved the Ventures.
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Speaker 4: I was like, really, my dad's famous.
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Speaker 5: I didn't really see that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's one of those things like I was saying
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Speaker 3: about the guy had on the podcast whose father was
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Speaker 3: was was an entertainment lawyer, and he would say, you know,
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Speaker 3: why are all these people calling the house? And he
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Speaker 3: was kept saying, Dad, you know what is going on here?
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Speaker 3: And it's just stuff like that. It's just so interesting,
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Speaker 3: you know, always growing up and your your your parents,
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Speaker 3: your parents or you know, in demands or or people
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Speaker 3: want to meet them and it's you know, when you're younger,
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Speaker 3: you're like, why why do all these people want to
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Speaker 3: come meet my parents? What is going on here?
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Speaker 4: Right?
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Speaker 5: Yeah?
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Speaker 4: I mean it's hard to have perspective on your parents
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Speaker 4: when you're that young. Of course, now I do, and
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Speaker 4: especially having written my book, it's given me a lot
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Speaker 4: of great you know, like I say, a perspective of
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Speaker 4: yours and to really appreciate their talents. But you know,
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Speaker 4: to me, they still are just my parents.
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Speaker 3: So uh so, Stacey, when you when you were growing up,
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Speaker 3: you know, you mentioned that you got bit by the
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Speaker 3: sort of filmmaking bug a little later in life.
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Speaker 3: Know around you know, what age were you when you
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Speaker 3: finally decided that you wanted to sort of go into
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Speaker 3: to the film industry.
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Speaker 4: Well, I actually started off as an entertainment reporter, and
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Speaker 4: I sell into that more or less through writing horror novels.
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Speaker 4: I was approached by a couple of horror websites like
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Speaker 4: horror dot Com and cine Fantasticeek magazine had also approached
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Speaker 4: me to see if I wanted to be an la
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Speaker 4: correspondent to write movie reviews. And it really wasn't anything
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Speaker 4: that I had endeavored to do, although I always liked movies,
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Speaker 4: and I found out that I really had an aptitude
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Speaker 4: for it, and so here we are, like, you know,
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Speaker 4: sixteen years later. I got it started in two thousand
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Speaker 4: and one, and so I'm still doing that, still reviewing
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Speaker 4: films and still interviewing actors while I'll so pursuing my
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Speaker 4: own career as a filmmaker. And that actually started just
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Speaker 4: through being inspired by an Edgar Allan Poe poem in
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Speaker 4: two thousand and ten. I believe that was the first. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: that's my first foray into filmmaking was in twenty ten
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Speaker 4: with a short film, a trip Take of three short
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Speaker 4: films based on Annabelle Lee. And I just knew actors
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Speaker 4: through my other career as a film journalist, and so
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Speaker 4: that's how that all just kind of came together pretty organically.
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Speaker 4: It wasn't something that one day I will come and said,
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Speaker 4: I'm going to be a filmmaker. So it just seemed
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Speaker 4: like a natural evolution from what I had been doing,
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Speaker 4: and the fact that I did write fiction before.
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Speaker 5: In the nineties.
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Speaker 4: Those two things, the marrying of storytelling and technology and
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Speaker 4: then a basis of knowledge in film is really what
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Speaker 4: I feel led to led to it. And so since
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Speaker 4: then I've made several short films and also wrote and
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Speaker 4: directed to feature films and it's still a part time
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Speaker 4: thing for me, although I do enjoy at writing is
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Speaker 4: still my number one love.
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Speaker 3: So do you write your you know, your own scripts
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Speaker 3: that that you go in to direct and maybe even produce.
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Speaker 4: Yes, I do.
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Speaker 1: Uh.
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Speaker 4: I actually though my two feature films which were produced
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Speaker 4: by Blanc Being Productions, which is Michael Bean the actor
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Speaker 4: and his wife Jennifer Blanc, and they're both actors, but
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Speaker 4: they both got and started a production company and the
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Speaker 4: two films that I wrote were based on ideas from
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Speaker 4: one of their partners who gave me sort of the
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Speaker 4: skeleton of an idea, and I was predisposed already to
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Speaker 4: liking the subject matter of both films. So it worked
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Speaker 4: out really well because it almost feels like they're my creations,
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Speaker 4: but really they are based on stories by Loney Ruman,
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Speaker 4: who's one of their producing partners. And then so I
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Speaker 4: wrote the scripts to you know, specific locations and a
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Speaker 4: specific budget, and then was given the wonderful opportunity to
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Speaker 4: direct them, and it was really, you know, a great experience.
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Speaker 4: They are super you know, run and gun, Roger Corman style,
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Speaker 4: grind housey sort of movies. So we actually shot both
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Speaker 4: features at five days each, so you know, basically five
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Speaker 4: twelve hour days shooting about seventeen pages a day. And
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Speaker 4: I think it was really a great sort of introduction
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Speaker 4: into directing features for me because it was really challenging,
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Speaker 4: but in a fun way. So I think now that
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Speaker 4: I've done this, I can do just about anything. So
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Speaker 4: it's really a great confidence builder too.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny you actually bring them up. I actually helped.
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Speaker 3: I actually helped them with a kickstarter they were doing.
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Speaker 3: I think it was The Night Visitor.
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Speaker 5: I think, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know that.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, they've actually done a couple of sequels to that
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Speaker 4: now since.
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Speaker 3: Really because I actually that's it's a small world. I'll
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Speaker 3: tell you, Stacey doing this podcast, it's a smaller and
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Speaker 3: smaller world.
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Speaker 5: That's good.
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Speaker 3: So so when you first started, you know, you know,
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Speaker 3: wanting to do movies, I and you mentioned you didn't
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Speaker 3: just wake up one day and want to become a filmmaker.
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Speaker 3: You know, it's it's it's kind of. I feel that
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Speaker 3: most people who want to make a movie, or you know,
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Speaker 3: even go into this industry, they usually have almost like
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Speaker 3: this almost like a predisposition into it. It's almost like
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Speaker 3: they have like this itch that they just need to scratch.
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Speaker 3: And you know, when they go to make a movie,
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Speaker 3: it's always one of two things that I that I found.
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Speaker 3: It's either that they do the running gun style. It's
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Speaker 3: where it's like no, no, I'm sorry, let me take
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Speaker 3: that back. They either do one or two things. They
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Speaker 3: do the they do like no planning at all, or
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Speaker 3: they plan this thing so much that becomes analysis through
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Speaker 3: paralysis and they don't do anyone and they never get
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Speaker 3: to film it. So it's one of those two things.
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Speaker 3: So but once you start getting into it more and more,
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Speaker 3: you start building a team, you start building a whole
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Speaker 3: like network. Now, I think your story is different because
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Speaker 3: I think you had a better network going into it,
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Speaker 3: because again, you're in LA, you're doing, you making all
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Speaker 3: these connections, you're you're viewing movies as you're a movie reporter.
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Speaker 3: So when you went to make your first movie, you know,
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Speaker 3: do you feel that you already had a better footing
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Speaker 3: or a better understanding then maybe the average filmmaker.
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Speaker 4: Well that is probably on a you know, case by
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Speaker 4: case basis. Like you say, everyone brings their own measure
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Speaker 4: of talent and their own sort of life experience into
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Speaker 4: creating something as ephemeral really as a film. Even though
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Speaker 4: a film you know, does last forever, it's still when
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Speaker 4: it's coming together, it's kind of an alchemy. So each
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Speaker 4: person brings their own thing into it. So we're all unique.
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Speaker 4: But I do feel really fortunate that I know the
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Speaker 4: great talented people that I do know, and in Los
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Speaker 4: Angeles there is you know, obviously a greater concentration of choices,
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Speaker 4: you know, people that you know, and also just through
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Speaker 4: being an entertainment reporter and knowing these people on a
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Speaker 4: different level, I really kind of already knew what their
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Speaker 4: work ethic would be and what your sensibilities are. And
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Speaker 4: so when bringing together, say, you know, my first cast
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Speaker 4: for my short film, the star of that, who's sort
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Speaker 4: of our Edgar Allen Poe character is Ogre from Skinny Puppy,
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Speaker 4: and I had met him through being an entertainment reporter
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Speaker 4: when I covered his feature musical film called Repo the
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Speaker 4: Genetic Opera, which is directed by Darren Bausman. So we
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Speaker 4: already had sort of a connection and a report, and
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Speaker 4: I knew the things that he liked, and he knew
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Speaker 4: the things.
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Speaker 5: That I liked.
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Speaker 4: So there is a good shorthand there, which you really
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Speaker 4: need when you're working on a low budget or a
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Speaker 4: no budget film, because you don't really have time to
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Speaker 4: get acquainted with someone. You kind of have to dive
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Speaker 4: in and already know what you're dealing with. So having
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Speaker 4: a pool of people like that already and just being friends,
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Speaker 4: I think really helps. So I would say, yes, that's
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Speaker 4: a long answer to your short question.
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Speaker 3: No, No, I completely understand, Stacy. I tend to ask
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Speaker 3: very open ended questions, you know, just to sort of
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Speaker 3: get a good response to that, you know, a longer response,
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Speaker 3: and I always think that's a good thing. And I
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Speaker 3: just want to follow it up by asking when you
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Speaker 3: made your first film, what were some of the biggest
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Speaker 3: takeaways for you that you put into your next film.
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Speaker 4: Well, I actually, although I'm known in the horror genre
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Speaker 4: world and Edgar Allen Poe certainly is horror, but I
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Speaker 4: also feel like it's an arty sensibility where you can
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Speaker 4: really stretch the imagination and interpret the subject matter as
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Speaker 4: you like. So my next film after that was also
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Speaker 4: very experimental, and having the basis of shooting the Key
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Speaker 4: to Annabelly, which is my first short film, I really
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Speaker 4: felt freed up to be even more artistic and experimental.
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Speaker 4: My next film was called The Night Plays Tricks, which
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Speaker 4: is based on a Bob Dylan song called Visions of Johannah,
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Speaker 4: and it's almost Maya darren esk. If you've seen Meshes
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Speaker 4: of the Afternoon, you know it's kind of like that.
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Speaker 4: So I really felt confident that I could express myself
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Speaker 4: in a sort of slightly opaque artistic way and yet
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Speaker 4: still get a story across. And having a good editor
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Speaker 4: really helps with that. And my editor and DP on
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Speaker 4: that second film is justin Cruz and so it's really
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Speaker 4: nice having a DP who can also edit, which is
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Speaker 4: also the case with my very latest, most recent short film,
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Speaker 4: So I feel like the DP is kind of editing
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Speaker 4: in his mind as he's shooting, and having that artistic
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Speaker 4: sensibility like I have is really makes for a great collaboration.
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Speaker 4: So that is what sort of spurred me on to
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Speaker 4: continue making films, was to know that I could still
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Speaker 4: be artistic because to me, style in cinema speaks volumes,
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Speaker 4: and that is really what I wanted to be able
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Speaker 4: to do, so that really gave me the confidence to
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Speaker 4: move forward.
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Speaker 3: So you mentioned your latest film, I mean, could you
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Speaker 3: talk a little bit about that.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely. It is called Psychotherapy and it stars Brooke Lewis
20:07
Speaker 4: and Ricky Dean Logan, and it's sort of a two hander.
20:11
Speaker 4: It's a very short film, it's just under ten minutes,
20:14
Speaker 4: and Brooke had brought me on to write and direct
20:19
Speaker 4: it as part of a showcase for her because she
20:22
Speaker 4: is known for doing sci fi and comedies and things
20:26
Speaker 4: that are pretty light and this is more of a
20:29
Speaker 4: psychological thriller. So she wanted me to write something to
20:32
Speaker 4: her strength as a dramatic actor. And then she brought
20:37
Speaker 4: on Ricky, who is also a very good actor. But
20:41
Speaker 4: I haven't actually met hn before we started shooting, so
20:44
Speaker 4: that's another fun challenge that I enjoyed too. On the
20:47
Speaker 4: flip side of working with people that I know, is
20:49
Speaker 4: also just sort of diving in and having fun with
20:53
Speaker 4: people that I don't have experience with. So that's the
20:56
Speaker 4: part of the excitement of making a film, and so
21:00
Speaker 4: this short film is sort of Brooke and My we
21:04
Speaker 4: would both love Brian de Palma's films, so it's kind
21:07
Speaker 4: of our homage to Dress to Kill a little bit
21:10
Speaker 4: with the psychiatrists and the patient having a verbal tet
21:14
Speaker 4: a tet And so far the film has won several
21:19
Speaker 4: awards both for acting, directing, and writing, and it's only
21:22
Speaker 4: been on the festival circuit for a few months, so
21:26
Speaker 4: very encouraging. And our DP slash editor Stephan Colson is
21:31
Speaker 4: really really super talented and so all those elements together
21:35
Speaker 4: that's the fun thing, as opposed to say writing a novel,
21:38
Speaker 4: where it's very much just with you and it's your
21:44
Speaker 4: you know, sort of everything is contained within the writer.
21:47
Speaker 5: To see how a.
21:51
Speaker 4: Script that I wrote evolves and sort of flowers with
21:55
Speaker 4: the different talents of the other people. So it's just
21:59
Speaker 4: a different kind of satisfaction, but it's they're both really
22:03
Speaker 4: interesting ways of expressing yourself artistically. And so yeah, this
22:08
Speaker 4: latest short film is probably the one of the least
22:12
Speaker 4: artistic shorts that I've done. It's more linear and more
22:17
Speaker 4: like I said, it's a it's a thriller. But I
22:19
Speaker 4: was able to add something visual flourishes that I wanted to.
22:23
Speaker 4: So it's been really great.
22:26
Speaker 3: And and that that's amazing because you know, it goes
22:28
Speaker 3: on with what I was with I was trying to
22:30
Speaker 3: get at before, was you know, always bring something new
22:33
Speaker 3: from your old project to your new project. And what
22:36
Speaker 3: I mean by that is you're bringing experience, you bring confidence.
22:39
Speaker 3: I think I think a lot of filmmakers, or even
22:42
Speaker 3: when I see a lot of read a lot of
22:43
Speaker 3: books or or what have you about filmmaking, they don't
22:46
Speaker 3: really talk about confidence. And if you don't really have
22:49
Speaker 3: any confidence, you know, in yourself or the project, or
22:53
Speaker 3: the script or anything else, you know, I think that
22:55
Speaker 3: shows it almost becomes like you're like, okay, can you
22:58
Speaker 3: know what I mean? It kind of up getting maybe
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Speaker 3: even a very passive sort of feel for the whole thing,
23:04
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And I think confidence is
23:06
Speaker 3: something that a lot of people don't talk about. And
23:09
Speaker 3: one of the ways that I feel that that filmmakers
23:11
Speaker 3: can build confidence is by small victories. And what I
23:14
Speaker 3: mean by that is you make a project, maybe even
23:18
Speaker 3: going out, like Mark Duplas says, going out with your
23:20
Speaker 3: friends on a weekend and making a movie for a
23:23
Speaker 3: hundred bucks, or or doing something else, or maybe winning
23:26
Speaker 3: a local contest or something like that, and then sort
23:29
Speaker 3: of being able to sort of parlay that into something else,
23:31
Speaker 3: if you know what I mean, Stacy.
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Speaker 5: Oh absolutely.
23:34
Speaker 4: I mean it's like when you're learning how to swim,
23:37
Speaker 4: you don't dive into the deep end. You kind of
23:40
Speaker 4: stand on the steps for a little while, and then
23:42
Speaker 4: you wade into the shallow end, and then as you
23:45
Speaker 4: see that you're not going to drown, you go a
23:47
Speaker 4: little bit further and a little bit further. So yeah,
23:50
Speaker 4: I think that's definitely true. Sometimes, you know, I see
23:56
Speaker 4: as an entertainment reporter, I don't really I know what
24:00
Speaker 4: kind of connections these people have. But sometimes you see
24:03
Speaker 4: a film director who's given his very first project and
24:06
Speaker 4: it's a blockbuster with say, you know, Warner Brothers or Sony,
24:09
Speaker 4: I'm like, wow, that must be rearly intimidating, you know.
24:13
Speaker 3: You know, Stacey, you and I have the same mentality
24:16
Speaker 3: with that. I have seen other people who've gotten projects,
24:21
Speaker 3: maybe not even blockbusters, but it's like their first time film,
24:24
Speaker 3: and they walk down they and they have like one
24:26
Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars or five hundred thousand or a million. Yeah,
24:30
Speaker 3: And I sit there and I go, how did they
24:33
Speaker 3: get that money? Like, where did they get that from?
24:36
Speaker 4: You know?
24:36
Speaker 3: I once knew a person who basically his first time out,
24:40
Speaker 3: he got a bunch of grants and stuff like that,
24:42
Speaker 3: and I said, you know, you know, how do you
24:44
Speaker 3: how did you do that? And he basically said he
24:48
Speaker 3: had a girlfriend who at the time, her mother was
24:52
Speaker 3: very big into She did a lot of charity fundraising,
24:55
Speaker 3: and she knew a ton of people, and that's how
24:57
Speaker 3: he got these grants. And basically they're just they're not
25:01
Speaker 3: even grants that you like apply to so to speak.
25:03
Speaker 3: They're grants that, you know, if you pitch to them
25:05
Speaker 3: at a you know, at certain intervals, they'll be like, Okay,
25:08
Speaker 3: you could have this money, you could have that money.
25:10
Speaker 3: Well that's how we raise some money. But just to
25:12
Speaker 3: go back to where we're talking about, you know, yeah,
25:15
Speaker 3: some people are out of left field and suddenly they're
25:17
Speaker 3: directing the next Godzilla film for like two hundred million dollars,
25:20
Speaker 3: you know.
25:21
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean I think for me personally, just
25:25
Speaker 4: knowing my dairy autonomous freelance or personality, I would be
25:33
Speaker 4: not as happy working with a huge budget like that,
25:37
Speaker 4: where so much hinges on the success of the film
25:42
Speaker 4: as opposed to the joy of making the film and
25:45
Speaker 4: creating something that you like. I don't know that I
25:49
Speaker 4: would really, you know, I definitely know I wouldn't feel
25:52
Speaker 4: comfortable having you know, producers breathing down my neck every
25:55
Speaker 4: day about you know, how much money is being spent
25:58
Speaker 4: and you know, look at all there right on this.
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Speaker 4: That's a lot of pressure to me for my part filmmaking.
26:04
Speaker 4: Of course, I want to be able to make enough
26:06
Speaker 4: money to pay my rent, and so far, so good,
26:09
Speaker 4: but I don't really aspire to be a huge, you know,
26:15
Speaker 4: a director making a blockbuster. However, having said that, I
26:19
Speaker 4: am really proud of Patty Jenkins, who's directed Wonder Woman,
26:23
Speaker 4: and she's done a great job with a huge blockbuster
26:26
Speaker 4: like that. I had interviewed her several years ago when
26:29
Speaker 4: she did Monster and that was sort of like a
26:34
Speaker 4: very you know, personal film that she was able to
26:36
Speaker 4: put her own stamp on, and she's weathered the storms
26:40
Speaker 4: and look at her now. So I think it's great.
26:42
Speaker 4: It's fully good time actually to be a female creator
26:46
Speaker 4: in the film world, and hopefully I'll be able to
26:50
Speaker 4: glean a little bit of that good fortune myself as
26:52
Speaker 4: I move ahead in my career.
26:55
Speaker 3: You know, I was just talking about Patty with her
26:57
Speaker 3: cinematographer from Monster, Stephen Bernstein, and he and I were
27:03
Speaker 3: talking about Patty and and we were just talking about
27:06
Speaker 3: you know, wonder Woman and everything like that. So it's
27:09
Speaker 3: just again you brought that up. It's just a small again,
27:11
Speaker 3: I know, I keep repeating with Stacy, but it's a
27:12
Speaker 3: very small world.
27:14
Speaker 5: It's good. I like it, yeah, but but it is.
27:18
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is a good time, you know, for for
27:21
Speaker 3: female directors and you know, female producers too, because even
27:26
Speaker 3: like somebody like Gailhard on The Walking Dead, you know,
27:29
Speaker 3: I think she kind of sort of I don't know
27:32
Speaker 3: how many interviews she does. I don't know me she's
27:33
Speaker 3: one of those people that sort of gets in the background.
27:36
Speaker 3: But you know, it's it's just, you know, it is
27:38
Speaker 3: like I can see more opportunities coming down the pike.
27:41
Speaker 3: And it's also great things too, Like I have to
27:43
Speaker 3: mention Carol Deane who runs the Grants of the Heart's Productions.
27:47
Speaker 3: She's phenomenal. And there's also great people out there, like
27:51
Speaker 3: like Jennifer Gersani lead Jessup, Clara, Alessandra, all these great
27:57
Speaker 3: people out there working, uh you know, went out in
27:59
Speaker 3: your neck, of which they.
28:01
Speaker 4: Well, absolutely. I just attended the Etherea Film Festival last weekend,
28:06
Speaker 4: which has been going on for about five years now.
28:09
Speaker 5: Previous to that.
28:10
Speaker 4: It was called Gissero or it was more focused on horror,
28:13
Speaker 4: and now it's more genre, you know, based with different
28:17
Speaker 4: elements of that. And that is Heidi Honeycutt and Stacy
28:21
Speaker 4: Hammond who run that festival, which is pretty much you know,
28:26
Speaker 4: focused on the female in fact that they each film
28:29
Speaker 4: has to either be written, directed, or produced by a woman.
28:32
Speaker 4: And this past weekend, Roger Corman came out and presented
28:37
Speaker 4: the Lifetime Achievement Award to Stephanie Rothman, who was his
28:42
Speaker 4: protege and she actually directed the first three New World
28:48
Speaker 4: Pictures I think. And this is back in the early seventies.
28:51
Speaker 4: So Roger has always given people, regardless of gender or race,
28:57
Speaker 4: their big breaks and early on, you know, before it
28:59
Speaker 4: was quote unquote trendy. So it's really nice to see
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Speaker 4: a woman like Stephanie Rothman being recognized today for the
29:08
Speaker 4: work that she did, which is really pretty pioneering in
29:11
Speaker 4: the early nineteen seventies. But I mean, you could even
29:13
Speaker 4: go back on this subject to the early era of
29:19
Speaker 4: talkies and silent films, when women like Mary Pickford were
29:22
Speaker 4: producing and it was a lot less gender biased than
29:27
Speaker 4: for a short period of time until real money started
29:30
Speaker 4: coming in and then it was, you know, taken over
29:32
Speaker 4: by males. But I feel like, you know, we're definitely
29:36
Speaker 4: experiencing a bit of a renaissance here. So it's a
29:40
Speaker 4: good time to be a filmmaker period, but even better
29:42
Speaker 4: to be a female filmmaker right now. So I'm feeling
29:45
Speaker 4: pretty good about where I am.
29:47
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, it's interesting to see where all
29:50
Speaker 3: this is going to. I'm always interested to see too, Stacy,
29:53
Speaker 3: where you know, Netflix is going, where Hulu's going, where
29:56
Speaker 3: all these avenues are going.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I've heard so many different things that are
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Speaker 3: rumbling down the pike, and it's just also interesting right
30:13
Speaker 3: now and how everything's sort of coming together.
30:16
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, there are a lot more women working in
30:18
Speaker 4: television and film. Film is sort of, you know, still
30:23
Speaker 4: a bit more gender biased, but it's becoming less so
30:27
Speaker 4: that I in television. I mean, if you just read
30:30
Speaker 4: the credits, you'll see so many more female names below
30:33
Speaker 4: the line than you do in the film.
30:35
Speaker 3: Yeah, very true, very true. Uh yeah, and and you
30:38
Speaker 3: know that that'd be interesting to sort of discuss, you know,
30:41
Speaker 3: why that why that is? But uh but I we
30:45
Speaker 3: would be because I don't have I don't know the answer,
30:48
Speaker 3: but I don't We're not going to talk about I
30:51
Speaker 3: was good to say it's a good thing. I don't
30:53
Speaker 3: even have a theory. But but I did want to
30:55
Speaker 3: talk about your book, so lay a Hollywood memoir. I
30:59
Speaker 3: do want to talk about this, you know, you know,
31:02
Speaker 3: and I want to ask you know, sort of you know,
31:05
Speaker 3: what inspired you to actually write the book. I know
31:07
Speaker 3: you were working as a movie reporter. You know, you
31:09
Speaker 3: started doing you know, all this film work. You released
31:12
Speaker 3: a book in March of this year, twenty seventeen. So
31:15
Speaker 3: what was sort of the impetus to write this book?
31:19
Speaker 4: Well, I started writing it last year, just a couple
31:24
Speaker 4: of weeks before my birthday. It was a milestone birthday,
31:28
Speaker 4: and so that is really what made me think. You know,
31:31
Speaker 4: I've I've lived long enough life to be able to
31:34
Speaker 4: have an interesting story. But I hold on just a
31:39
Speaker 4: second here, Hi, thank you, Sorry about that.
31:44
Speaker 5: That is something you can edit out.
31:47
Speaker 3: I'm going to leave it in stacy. I think it's funny.
31:49
Speaker 4: How Yeah, I just got a plushel delivery. It's my
31:53
Speaker 4: stack of cash for the next movie I'm directing.
31:56
Speaker 5: Oh nice, Okay. So yeah.
32:01
Speaker 4: So the impetus to write the book was last year
32:04
Speaker 4: and my birthday month, and it was a milestone birthday.
32:07
Speaker 4: So I felt like it was time for me to
32:10
Speaker 4: tell my story because I had an interesting enough story
32:13
Speaker 4: with enough perspective to talk about it. But I'm still
32:17
Speaker 4: young enough and quote unquote with it to be able
32:20
Speaker 4: to tell the story to you know, in an interesting manner.
32:25
Speaker 4: So that was part of it. And then another part
32:28
Speaker 4: of it is that with the you know, advent of
32:31
Speaker 4: social media, that people know who I am, but they
32:34
Speaker 4: express a lot of interest in my parents, my dad
32:36
Speaker 4: and my mom, and I'll post pictures and I'll get
32:39
Speaker 4: so many great responses, but their stories really haven't been
32:44
Speaker 4: told on a personal level. So for me, that was
32:47
Speaker 4: one of the reasons that I wanted to write too,
32:49
Speaker 4: was to kind of give my mom and dad's stories
32:52
Speaker 4: and in a candid way, but definitely not you know,
32:57
Speaker 4: a mommy dearest kind of thing at all. But my
32:59
Speaker 4: mother when I was growing up, she was an alcoholic
33:02
Speaker 4: and she went through some really tough times, and my
33:05
Speaker 4: parents divorced when I was very young. So there are
33:08
Speaker 4: things to talk about in that regard where it wasn't
33:11
Speaker 4: just you know, with cream and fluffy clouds childhood. So
33:17
Speaker 4: there's you know, things that I want to talk about
33:20
Speaker 4: in that regard. And my parents did read the book
33:22
Speaker 4: after it was published and they both approved, so that's good.
33:27
Speaker 4: So that's truly what the impetus was, because I feel
33:30
Speaker 4: like I have some pretty interesting stories to tell in
33:33
Speaker 4: a different perspective than probably most people.
33:37
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that that's sort of goes back to what
33:39
Speaker 3: I was mentioning too, was, you know, just growing up
33:41
Speaker 3: in la and still living there is an interesting perspective.
33:45
Speaker 3: And I just want to ask Stacy, what is maybe
33:49
Speaker 3: just one, just one story from the book, maybe your
33:51
Speaker 3: most favorite or the most you know, interesting from you
33:55
Speaker 3: from your perspective, just something from the book. Maybe, is
33:58
Speaker 3: there any any just one story you could tell from
34:00
Speaker 3: the book.
34:02
Speaker 4: Well, there are so many stories because it covers many
34:05
Speaker 4: different facets of my life. So I mean, we could
34:08
Speaker 4: talk about the very irate alcoholic monkey that my mom
34:14
Speaker 4: brought home one day when I was about seven years old,
34:17
Speaker 4: and it was as my new pet, which was kind
34:19
Speaker 4: of fun. Or we could talk about you know why,
34:23
Speaker 4: Malcolm McDowell told me I could call him my boyfriend
34:27
Speaker 4: later in life, when I was interviewing him just about
34:30
Speaker 4: every week for the Sci Fi Channel.
34:32
Speaker 5: We had sort of this.
34:33
Speaker 4: Fun little relationship and he's a great guy. Or we
34:37
Speaker 4: could talk about the days of nineteen eighties hair metal
34:41
Speaker 4: on the sunset stripped. Oh, that was an odious time. So,
34:46
Speaker 4: I mean, there's really a lot to talk about. So
34:47
Speaker 4: I couldn't really pick one story, but there's a lot
34:50
Speaker 4: of little little kernels, and you know, part of my
34:53
Speaker 4: wanting to do this was to be able to tell
34:55
Speaker 4: these stories in a humorous way. So a lot of
34:58
Speaker 4: feedback that I'm getting is really ratifying and that people
35:01
Speaker 4: are finding, even in the more difficult times in my life,
35:05
Speaker 4: that there's always a temper of humor to it. You know.
35:09
Speaker 3: One story that I saw from from from the Amazon
35:13
Speaker 3: homepage for your book was party at the Playboy Mansion.
35:16
Speaker 3: And I know this is I just every time I
35:19
Speaker 3: hear about the Playboy mansion. The first thing I think of,
35:23
Speaker 3: and this just goes to show you where my head's at,
35:24
Speaker 3: Stacy is Paully Shore, because there's a story that somebody
35:30
Speaker 3: was told about Pauli Shore where he every year, every
35:33
Speaker 3: year he would know, he'd be at a Playboy Mansion
35:35
Speaker 3: party and he would go up and he would just
35:38
Speaker 3: tell everyone he was thirty years old. Well, finally someone said,
35:41
Speaker 3: you know, Paulie, you've been thirty years old for the
35:43
Speaker 3: past twenty years, so you know, And it's just and
35:47
Speaker 3: they actually made liter of it in the TV show Entourage.
35:50
Speaker 3: They actually brought that joke back, which I actually I
35:51
Speaker 3: thought was pretty cool. But yeah, no, it was just
35:55
Speaker 3: I just thought it was funny. But I mean, a
35:56
Speaker 3: play party at the Playboy mansion and it's heyday, I mean,
36:00
Speaker 3: so exactly that stuff.
36:02
Speaker 4: Like that back when it was exciting. Yeah, it was
36:05
Speaker 4: really neat to be able to go to that part.
36:07
Speaker 4: I believe it was nineteen years old, eighteen or nineteen
36:10
Speaker 4: years old at the time. And Phap's girlfriend Carrie Lee,
36:15
Speaker 4: who I believe she stued him for palamony later on,
36:18
Speaker 4: but anyway, she was kind of out scouting the clubs
36:21
Speaker 4: for goals to invite to the parties, and so we went,
36:24
Speaker 4: and my friend Peg and I she was sort of
36:27
Speaker 4: my bad influence, which every kid needs to have her
36:31
Speaker 4: growing up, the bad influence friend.
36:33
Speaker 5: So we went and it.
36:35
Speaker 4: Was really interesting to see it back then, especially since
36:38
Speaker 4: there was still a mistique to it, whereas now I
36:41
Speaker 4: did return for another party about three years ago and
36:45
Speaker 4: things had really changed quite a bit. And also just
36:48
Speaker 4: the public perspective of the Playboy Mansion now that it's
36:53
Speaker 4: been demystified, it's just not as exciting. It's actually kind
36:57
Speaker 4: of cheesy. So it's kind of neat for me to
36:59
Speaker 4: have that eperience from the perspective of decades apart to see,
37:04
Speaker 4: you know, how it was in the in the eighties
37:07
Speaker 4: to how it is now, and so I do talk
37:09
Speaker 4: about that in the book. Yes, And another thing about
37:12
Speaker 4: my book that maybe historians will find interesting is that
37:17
Speaker 4: I am an architecture box. So I do go into
37:19
Speaker 4: all the places that I've visited and then talk a
37:21
Speaker 4: little bit about who built them and what their history
37:24
Speaker 4: is and what they look like, so those kind of things,
37:28
Speaker 4: you know, adding those details. It's really a lot of
37:30
Speaker 4: fun for me when I was writing the book to
37:32
Speaker 4: to be able to do research on the things that
37:35
Speaker 4: I really enjoy and to be able to tell stories
37:37
Speaker 4: about them from a different perspective, not just the salacious,
37:41
Speaker 4: you know, Playboy Matched in Grotto perspective.
37:44
Speaker 3: So let me ask you, Stacy, is the Rainbow Born
37:48
Speaker 3: Grill as legendary as they say?
37:51
Speaker 5: Yes, it is.
37:52
Speaker 4: There's been so much going on there throughout the years.
37:56
Speaker 5: Yeah.
37:57
Speaker 4: In fact, I did an interesting inner with the guys
38:00
Speaker 4: from La Meekly. We actually did our interview there at
38:05
Speaker 4: the Rainbow so we could talk about it history and
38:08
Speaker 4: and it's really has not changed its staycore in many decades.
38:13
Speaker 4: And I don't know if you know, but Motorheads front
38:17
Speaker 4: man Lemmy he used to hang out there. In fact,
38:19
Speaker 4: he practically lived there. He had rented an apartment just
38:22
Speaker 4: within stumbling distance so he could hang out there all
38:24
Speaker 4: the time. And when he passed away a couple of
38:27
Speaker 4: years ago, he was such a fixture at the Rainbow
38:30
Speaker 4: that they had actually commissioned a bronze statue of him.
38:34
Speaker 4: And so he's still there at the bar.
38:37
Speaker 3: You know, I had a friend of mine out there
38:40
Speaker 3: who went out there, and he actually, you know, knew
38:43
Speaker 3: a few people who used to talk about the rain
38:46
Speaker 3: of bar and Grill and they call it the Bow
38:48
Speaker 3: and you know, and I know he and I always
38:52
Speaker 3: and one of the guys telling stories would always he
38:55
Speaker 3: was one of those guys that if he would always
38:57
Speaker 3: tell impellish stories. So I wanted to ask, you know,
38:59
Speaker 3: to be like, I wanted to ask you straight, you know,
39:01
Speaker 3: straight from you Stacy about it, just about if it's
39:03
Speaker 3: actually as legendary as they say.
39:06
Speaker 4: Yes, And I actually got to meet Jimmy Page there.
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Speaker 4: Who's my my hero growing up? I mean, I love
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Speaker 4: Jimmy Page and led Zeppelin. That was my jam when
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Speaker 4: I was a kid and a teenager. So I actually
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Speaker 4: had gotten a fake ID out of the back of
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Speaker 4: like Hit Parader or Cream Magazine so I could go
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Speaker 4: to the Rainbow when I was underage. And I saw
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Speaker 4: quite a few really cool rock stars there, but my
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Speaker 4: favorite sighting was definitely Jimmy Page. And then it sort
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Speaker 4: of came full circle when as an entertainment reporter I
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Speaker 4: got to actually interview him where the documentary called it
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Speaker 4: might get loud. So it was really fantastic to be
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Speaker 4: able to have my Jimmy Page moment on two totally
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Speaker 4: different levels. One as a fangirl and one as a
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Speaker 4: entertainment reporter.
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Speaker 3: And see that. That's why you know, I'm glad we
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Speaker 3: got to talk, Stacy, because you have those those sort
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Speaker 3: of dual perspectives of things.
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Speaker 3: Seeing petnam as fans and then seeing them as an interviewer.
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Speaker 3: I think that's really cool.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I do too, and I really appreciate it.
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Speaker 4: So I definitely talk about that in the book and
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Speaker 4: what it feels like to actually have those experiences. So
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Speaker 4: hopefully people will appreciate that aspect of it too, and I'll.
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Speaker 3: Make sure to link the book in the show notes
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Speaker 3: as well. And Stacey, I just want to ask, uh,
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Speaker 3: I just want to ask also, you know what what
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Speaker 3: what next? What do you have next in the pipeline?
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Speaker 3: You know, are you what sort of movies are you
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Speaker 3: working on next?
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Speaker 4: Well, I'm so immersed in the book right now and
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Speaker 4: psychotherapy festival.
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Speaker 5: Run, but I don't have a lot ironed out yet.
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Speaker 4: But my next hopeful project is to write and erect
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Speaker 4: a documentary about the ventures because, believe it or not,
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Speaker 4: in spite of their incredible legacy and long running career.
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Speaker 4: There's never been a documentary made about them, So if
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Speaker 4: no one else is going to do it, why not me?
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Speaker 3: Exactly. You see an opportunity or you see something that
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Speaker 3: you would buy that's not out in the market, and
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Speaker 3: you go out and you create it.
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Speaker 5: Yep, exactly.
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Speaker 3: So Stacey, just in closing, I know we've been talking
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Speaker 3: for about forty minutes. Now, is there anything that we
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Speaker 3: can get a chance to talk about that you maybe
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Speaker 3: want to talk about now, or anything you sort of
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Speaker 3: want to say to put a period at the end
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Speaker 3: of this whole conversation.
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Speaker 4: I'm i going to say thank you so much for
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Speaker 4: having me on the show and to talk about my
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Speaker 4: various different things. I know it's sometimes difficult to concentrate
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Speaker 4: on one specific line of questioning with someone who does
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Speaker 4: so many different things, but you know, I really do
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Speaker 4: appreciate having a forum like this to be able to
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Speaker 4: talk to you and to talk to your listeners, and
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Speaker 4: just looking forward to meeting everyone so they can certainly
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Speaker 4: find me online and I'd love to interact with folks
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Speaker 4: who also enjoy film and music.
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Speaker 5: And thank you.
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Speaker 3: And my pleasure, Stacey, and I thank you so much
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Speaker 3: for coming on where can people find you out online?
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Speaker 4: Just about anywhere I can give you the rundown. So
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Speaker 4: I'm on Twitter as Stacey Wilson. That's st A c
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Speaker 4: I w I L s O N and the same
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Speaker 4: on Facebook, and then on Instagram, I'm Stacy Lane, which
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Speaker 4: is my middle name, so that's s t a c
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Speaker 4: I l A y n E. And my website is
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Speaker 4: Stacylanewilson dot com. So that's sort of the catch all
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Speaker 4: for if you forgot all those social media things, you
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Speaker 4: can go to my website and contact me there. In fact,
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Speaker 4: I encourage you to do so.
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Speaker 3: But thank you so much for coming on the podcast,
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Speaker 3: and I wish you the best so much time.
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Speaker 4: Okay, cool, thank you.
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Speaker 2: I want to thank Dave so much for doing such
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Speaker 2: a great job on this episode. If you want to
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Speaker 2: listening to guys. As always, keep on writing no matter what.
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