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A Morning Run · The Knife: A True Crime Podcast

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Speaker 1: This story contains adult content and language. Listener discretion is advised.
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Speaker 2: So there was a silent moment between us where we
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Speaker 2: were both trying to process what.
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Speaker 3: Just happened after you punched him. Yeah, like just.
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Speaker 2: A still moment where I was like, oh my god,
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Speaker 2: I just punch a human in the phase.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Knife. I am Patia Eton. I'm Hannah Smith.
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Speaker 1: And this week we speak with a woman named Darune Henry.
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Speaker 1: She is a personal trainer, influencer and mother of two
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Speaker 1: who lives in Toronto, Canada.
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Speaker 3: In September of twenty twenty one, Drune had just moved
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Speaker 3: into a new home with her kids and then husband.
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Speaker 3: It was a nice, safe, family friendly area of Toronto,
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Speaker 3: and then on September fifteenth, she went for a jog
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Speaker 3: at eleven am in a park near her home and
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Speaker 3: experienced something terrifying. We speak with Darune about her experience
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Speaker 3: and the lasting impact of what happened to her, including
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Speaker 3: a video of the incident that went viral. We will
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Speaker 3: be back with you after the interview to give you
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Speaker 3: some updates on Darun's story, which is still ongoing today.
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Speaker 3: As a note, this conversation with Darune happened on October fourteenth,
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty four.
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Speaker 1: Let's get into the interview.
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Speaker 3: Let's start off with you telling us a little bit
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Speaker 3: about yourself and your background.
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Speaker 2: I'm Darune Henry. I am an online fitness coach.
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Speaker 3: I'm a mother of.
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Speaker 2: Two beautiful girls who are thirteen and seven, and I'm
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Speaker 2: just a very passionate entrepreneur. I had a very hard upbringing.
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Speaker 2: I was born in Iraq. I'm Kurdish, so I uh
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Speaker 2: not to like go too deep, but I lost my brother.
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Speaker 2: My brother was killed by a landmine when I was five,
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Speaker 2: so and then I was like a refugee until we
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Speaker 2: came to Canada at the age of seven or eight,
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Speaker 2: so in ninety six. And so a lot of my
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Speaker 2: conditioning was limiting beliefs. I was very insecure because I
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Speaker 2: didn't do too well in school. I never got like
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Speaker 2: my university degree. I got pregnant at a young age.
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Speaker 2: And so when I had my spiritual awakening and I
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Speaker 2: was on my own personal development journey and I discovered
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Speaker 2: who I am and how powerful I am and how
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Speaker 2: limitless I am, I wanted to help women like discover
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Speaker 2: that part of themselves, regardless of what you've been through
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Speaker 2: that you can become the best version of yourself. And
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Speaker 2: so like, that's where my passion lies right now. Right
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Speaker 2: for the attack, I would say I was at the
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Speaker 2: peak of my career. I was just the happiest version
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Speaker 2: of myself.
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Speaker 3: In September of twenty twenty one, Darun and her family
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Speaker 3: had just moved into a new home in Brampton, a
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Speaker 3: city in the Greater Toronto area. Darun was delighted to
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Speaker 3: find out that she was in walking distance to Massy Park,
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Speaker 3: which is a small park that sits in the middle
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Speaker 3: of a heavily trafficked area but still feels remote due
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Speaker 3: to the density of the trees. So she started to
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Speaker 3: do her daily workouts at Massy Park.
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Speaker 2: So it's September fifteenth, twenty twenty one, so school had
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Speaker 2: just started. Yeah, Like I had taken the kids to
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Speaker 2: school that day and I went for my jog around
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Speaker 2: like nine point thirty. Being in the forest, I would
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Speaker 2: often like do walking meditations, I'd connect with God. So
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Speaker 2: on that day it was because I needed more content.
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Speaker 2: So that was the only day I had taken my tripod,
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Speaker 2: because I do believe that having my tripod kind of
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Speaker 2: saves me in a way. That day I believe I
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Speaker 2: got there around nine fifty ish. I shot content. I
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Speaker 2: took pictures for about twenty thirty minutes. I was getting
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Speaker 2: the right shots. I had my jump rope with me
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Speaker 2: that day, so I was jump roping.
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Speaker 3: So you know, when is the first moment that you
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Speaker 3: thought like something is wrong.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So this was towards the end of my workout.
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Speaker 2: So I was around eleven am when I saw an
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Speaker 2: elderly man who was maybe like eighty years old with
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Speaker 2: a walker, and I saw him walking very slowly, and
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Speaker 2: I actually noticed a random person. I noticed he was
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Speaker 2: walking very slowly behind the elderly man, like almost as
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Speaker 2: if he was just like with him, but you can
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Speaker 2: tell they weren't together. I found him a little suspicious
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Speaker 2: because he was dressed in all black, like black sweatpants,
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Speaker 2: black sweater, a fitted hat, and he was wearing a mask.
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Speaker 2: It was pretty warm day, it was. It was September fifteenth.
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Speaker 2: I was wearing short so it was kind of like
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Speaker 2: unusual to see somebody dressed like in a hoodie and
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Speaker 2: like sweatpants and just fully covered and also like wearing
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Speaker 2: a COVID mask. Not a lot of people wore the
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Speaker 2: masks outside in the parks, so I did. I noticed
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Speaker 2: him immediately as he was walking, had his bike, but
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Speaker 2: he wasn't on his bike, like, he wasn't riding his bike.
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Speaker 3: He was walking. They passed by right like they.
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Speaker 2: Left, and I just continued doing what I was doing.
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Speaker 2: And then at this point, I was stretching and looking
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Speaker 2: at the sunshine, you know, shining through the leaves, and
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Speaker 2: just breathing, and just I was stretching and I felt
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Speaker 2: this like immense pain in my hamstrings, and like something
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Speaker 2: told me to bend over, like to stretch my hamstrings.
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Speaker 2: And when I bent over, I literally saw him through
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Speaker 2: my legs.
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Speaker 3: So I jumped.
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Speaker 2: And I was off to the side of the walking
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Speaker 2: path so that people can pass by me. And when
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Speaker 2: I bent over, I saw him like through my legs.
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Speaker 2: Literally he was like right behind me, maybe eight feet away,
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Speaker 2: and I jumped. I turn around. I wasn't scared though,
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Speaker 2: I just thought he was on a walk.
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Speaker 3: Because it was just so I didn't know there was
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Speaker 3: someone there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I had no idea. I was wearing these
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Speaker 2: headphones so I couldn't hear anything. And when I turned
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Speaker 2: around and he was right directly right behind me. My
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Speaker 2: tripod was on like it was on the ground, and
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Speaker 2: I think that I don't think he was sure that
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Speaker 2: like if it was recording or not. It wasn't recording,
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Speaker 2: but he did notice my tripod and then when I
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Speaker 2: turned around, I.
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Speaker 3: Said, oh, I'm so sorry. Like I was just like, so.
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Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm in your way, right even though there's a
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Speaker 2: huge walking pathway, like you could go around me, like
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Speaker 2: there's no reason you should be directly behind me, and
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Speaker 2: so like that's when I realized, oh, like he really
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Speaker 2: was trying to get really close to me, but I
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Speaker 2: like caught him before he got too close. And as
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Speaker 2: soon as I said sorry to him, he was very strange.
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Speaker 2: He was just like didn't say anything, and then looks
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Speaker 2: at my tripod and was like asking me if I
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Speaker 2: did YouTube.
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Speaker 3: He was like, oh, do you do YouTube? And I
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Speaker 3: was like no.
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Speaker 2: I couldn't really hear him because he had his mask on,
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Speaker 2: So then I was like, what what are you saying?
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Speaker 2: And then he was like do you do YouTube? And
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Speaker 2: he took his mask off, so he put it down
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Speaker 2: to below his chin, and he kept asking me if
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Speaker 2: if I did YouTube, and I said no, I don't
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Speaker 2: do YouTube. He was like, are you are you a
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Speaker 2: fitness instructor. I was like, yes, I'm a personal trainer.
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Speaker 2: He's like, well, can I get your information like my
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Speaker 2: Facebook or like my socials?
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Speaker 3: And I was like no, like I only work with women.
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Speaker 2: And then I just kind of like looked at him
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Speaker 2: like walk away, like go now, and so like I
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Speaker 2: was just getting annoyed of him, Like it was the
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Speaker 2: conversation probably took like thirty seconds, and so I was
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Speaker 2: waiting for him to walk off, and I was like, no,
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Speaker 2: like I only work with women.
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Speaker 3: You can't have my information.
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Speaker 2: And so he got the point and it was an
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Speaker 2: that moment, like he didn't say anything more. He just
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Speaker 2: put his mask back on, and in this moment, I realized,
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Speaker 2: oh my god, he's going to try and.
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Speaker 3: Rape me, because he looks around, he looked in my eyes,
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Speaker 3: and in that moment, I.
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Speaker 2: Felt that realization, like that moment where you're like I'm
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Speaker 2: in danger, like I'm something bad is going to happen
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Speaker 2: to me right now, and like I have to like fight.
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Speaker 2: So I went into fight mode immediately because he looked around,
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Speaker 2: he put his mask back on, and then he came
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Speaker 2: to strangle me. So he came at me with his
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Speaker 2: hands to strangle me. But before he could get to me.
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Speaker 3: I crossed him.
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Speaker 2: So I punched him with my right arm, my rights,
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Speaker 2: I punched him in his jaw, like I just I
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Speaker 2: don't no, I don't remember how hard it was. I mean,
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Speaker 2: in that moment, I'm sure I punched him really really hard,
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Speaker 2: not enough to knock him out, but he was shocked.
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Speaker 2: So there was a silent moment between us where we
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Speaker 2: were both trying to process what just happened.
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Speaker 3: Like after you punched him, Yeah, like just.
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Speaker 2: A still moment where I was like, oh my god,
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Speaker 2: I just punch a human, like in the face. Like
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Speaker 2: I was taking boxing lessons, but I always had gloves on.
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Speaker 2: I never punched a human before, like flesh and bone.
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Speaker 2: So like there were so many thoughts running through my head, like,
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Speaker 2: oh my god, he's going to kill me. I just
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Speaker 2: punched a man in the face, and he's going to
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Speaker 2: kill me.
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Speaker 3: So because you say, like, and you did this motion
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Speaker 3: which people can't see on the podcast, but you're saying
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Speaker 3: that he was coming at you with his hands out
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Speaker 3: in a clear way that like he was going for
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Speaker 3: your throat.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was coming for my throat. Yeah, Like that
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Speaker 2: was hands down the scariest moment of my life. Just
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Speaker 2: I didn't even react, like I didn't even think. I
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Speaker 2: just reacted and I punched him. And I honestly believe that,
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Speaker 2: like punching him in the face was the best thing
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Speaker 2: I could have ever done, because it completely threw him off.
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Speaker 2: And after I punched him, I did freeze because I
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Speaker 2: was like, at the end of the day, I'm five
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Speaker 2: to one and he's really tall, he's in I don't
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Speaker 2: know who he is, what he's capable of, I don't
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Speaker 2: know if he has a weapon on him. But then
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Speaker 2: right after I punched him and we had that silent
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Speaker 2: moment for maybe five seconds, you know, it aggravated him,
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Speaker 2: so he tried to take me down. And so I
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Speaker 2: always mentioned that, like my boxing lessons saved my life,
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Speaker 2: I was able to fight him. So I literally heard
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Speaker 2: my coach his name is Jerry, and I literally heard
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Speaker 2: Jerry in my head. I heard him say put power
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Speaker 2: behind it, like as I was punching, because that was
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Speaker 2: something he'd often say to me, put power behind it.
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Speaker 2: And it's that repetition of punching over and over and over,
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Speaker 2: and even I don't know how it happened, but he
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Speaker 2: was on the ground. At one point I kicked him
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Speaker 2: really hard in his ribs. I wish I had kicked
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Speaker 2: him in his balls, but I kicked him in his ribs.
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Speaker 3: There was a point where.
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Speaker 2: He was looking for something on the ground. So he
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Speaker 2: was searching for something on the ground, and in that moment,
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Speaker 2: I thought, Oh my god, he's looking for a rock,
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Speaker 2: like to knock me out, right, Like that was my thought.
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Speaker 2: I was like, he's looking for something to like knock
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Speaker 2: me out, and like that was the moment I remembered
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Speaker 2: a head a voice, because when you're fighting for your
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Speaker 2: life in that you don't remember that, like I didn't
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Speaker 2: remember I was in a public park. In that moment,
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Speaker 2: I remembered, like, you're in.
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Speaker 3: A public park.
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Speaker 2: There's people, somebody's going to hear you. And so I
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Speaker 2: literally started screaming bloody murder. I started screaming for help
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Speaker 2: like as loud as I could.
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Speaker 3: And yeah, like that was something it's hard to relive, but.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, like I thought, like if like that was my
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Speaker 2: last resort, was just screaming for my life.
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Speaker 3: It was really hard, really scary.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, and then as soon as I started screaming
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Speaker 2: for help, like his eyes bulged out and yeah, and.
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Speaker 3: Then he ran away.
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Speaker 2: But when he ran away, he ran towards the right
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Speaker 2: side of the forest. And then I think he got
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Speaker 2: maybe ten twenty steps in and he stopped and he
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Speaker 2: ran the opposite direction. And that's when I pulled out
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Speaker 2: my phone and I started recording him because I needed
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Speaker 2: evidence of him running away.
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Speaker 3: I needed evidence.
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Speaker 2: Of what he looked like, what he was wearing like.
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Speaker 2: I just needed something to show the police. I had
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Speaker 2: no idea why he stopped and ran the opposite direction.
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Speaker 2: But then I realized when he picked up his bike
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Speaker 2: that it was the same person who had walked by
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Speaker 2: me ten minutes prior to and I realized that he
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Speaker 2: had hid his bike and was watching me for about
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Speaker 2: ten minutes.
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Speaker 3: After Duron was able to fight off this attacker, she
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Speaker 3: somehow had the presence of mind to take out her
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Speaker 3: phone and hit record, capturing him running into the woods.
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Speaker 3: Then a man in the park who had heard her
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Speaker 3: scream showed up and called the police. The following moments
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Speaker 3: were a blur for Drone, as multiple police officers and
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Speaker 3: her husband arrived at the park.
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Speaker 2: When I had somebody there, I was able to just
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Speaker 2: kind of like break out of that shell, and I
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Speaker 2: went into shock.
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Speaker 3: Immediately.
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Speaker 2: I just started wailing, like I couldn't help it, Like
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Speaker 2: I just started screaming. There was a lot of police around,
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Speaker 2: and that police officer showed up within two minutes he
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Speaker 2: was there. The search started immediately. They were looking for
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Speaker 2: him because we gave a description. But yeah, he got
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Speaker 2: away with it. Yeah, And then I somehow walked back home.
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Speaker 2: My street was filled with police cars, and my neighbors
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Speaker 2: had no idea what happened.
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Speaker 3: There was just a lot of police in the area
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Speaker 3: and they kind of gave me a minute.
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Speaker 2: And when I got home, that's when like the shock
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Speaker 2: just kept getting worse. When I was like realized, like
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Speaker 2: realize what just happened. The first thing I did was
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Speaker 2: like go to the bathroom and puke. I don't know
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Speaker 2: how to describe it, but it felt like I puked
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Speaker 2: like this evil like it just came out of me,
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Speaker 2: and like it just I puked, and I was messed up.
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Speaker 2: I was really messed up because I kept thinking like,
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Speaker 2: oh my god, what if I didn't turn around, Like
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Speaker 2: what if he had just knocked me out before I
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Speaker 2: had turned around.
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Speaker 1: There's obviously this range of emotions that you're then experiencing
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Speaker 1: directly following the attack, what do logistically the hours and
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Speaker 1: the following the attack looked like, Yeah, that.
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Speaker 3: Was a huge ordeal.
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Speaker 2: When we get into the police, there's a lot to
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Speaker 2: say because you know, I essentially risked my life capturing
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Speaker 2: that video because I should have been running to safety,
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Speaker 2: but I took an extra ten fifteen seconds just to
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Speaker 2: get him on camera. Yeah, when I was very disappointed
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Speaker 2: when they told me that they couldn't do anything with
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Speaker 2: that evidence. Like I had this fantasy that like they
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Speaker 2: were going to put it on the news that night
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Speaker 2: and show the clip of him running through the woods,
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Speaker 2: and my neighborhood's going to be safer place, maybe like
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Speaker 2: somebody can recognize him. And like, I was so disappointed
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Speaker 2: and so shocked when the police were like, no, like
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Speaker 2: we can't do anything with that evidence.
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Speaker 1: What was their reason when they said we can't do anything.
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Speaker 2: Why, Well, because it's alleged. They can't prove what he did.
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Speaker 2: They just have a video of a guy running through
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Speaker 2: the woods and it's an alleged attack, and yeah, like
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Speaker 2: they just don't do that. So I was like, Okay, well,
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Speaker 2: what are you going to do? Like there's a guy
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Speaker 2: out there attacking women at eleven am. He is one
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Speaker 2: million percent going to do it again. And they're like, yeah,
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Speaker 2: we're going to put it up on our website. And
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Speaker 2: then I was angry. I was like, what fucking website
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Speaker 2: are you talking about? Like I live in this neighborhood.
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Speaker 2: I don't know about your website. I doubt anyone here
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Speaker 2: knows that you have a website or that anyone goes
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Speaker 2: on there daily to check.
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Speaker 3: They questioned me.
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Speaker 2: For about half an hour, and I was like, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I was just messed up, right, Like they gave me
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Speaker 2: maybe ten minutes to myself, and like during that ten minute,
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Speaker 2: I was puking. Then we were talking and I was angry.
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Speaker 2: I was so angry. I was like, what do you
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Speaker 2: mean you're not going to do anything? What do you
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Speaker 2: mean you're you're just going to put it on a website?
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Speaker 2: Like what good is that? And they literally told me
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Speaker 2: like like the best thing you could do is just
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Speaker 2: not go back and see the woods. And I was like,
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Speaker 2: I was like fucking kidding me, Like what am I
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Speaker 2: a caged up animal? I can't even go for a
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Speaker 2: walk in my neighborhood in the park where I take
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Speaker 2: my kids every day, like I walk my kids to
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Speaker 2: the park.
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Speaker 3: Well.
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Speaker 1: Also, this is our advice to women on how to
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Speaker 1: stay safe. Don't leave your house.
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Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.
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Speaker 3: According to Derune, the police said they would post the
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Speaker 3: report on their website to alert the neighborhood, but she
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Speaker 3: didn't feel that this was good enough. After all, she
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Speaker 3: lived in the neighborhood and she'd never heard of the website.
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Speaker 3: Darune has a significant following on social media, and so
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Speaker 3: the next day, when the police report still wasn't up online,
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Speaker 3: Darune decided to post the vig that she recorded in
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Speaker 3: the park of her attacker. This is the first part
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Speaker 3: of that video. Darone screams as a blurry figure darts
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Speaker 3: through the woods.
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Speaker 1: Wow may wow, man got out.
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Speaker 2: I have you one video your PI.
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Speaker 3: I just putched him a fucking face. Yeah. The video
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Speaker 3: then cuts from the park to Darun sitting on her
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Speaker 3: front porch the following day, speaking directly to her followers.
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Speaker 4: I want to make this video for my predator. I
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Speaker 4: want him to know that when I punched him in
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Speaker 4: the face, I wasn't scared at all. I wasn't scared.
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Speaker 4: I'm crying because I fucking took my sanctuary for me.
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Speaker 2: It went viral within hours, and at one point it
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Speaker 2: was at thirty thousand views, and it was at three
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Speaker 2: hundred thous views, and it was like five hundred thousand views,
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Speaker 2: and it was just like a snowball effect, and it
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Speaker 2: just kept getting bigger and bigger. And that was extremely
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Speaker 2: hard to navigate through as I'm trying to like collect myself,
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Speaker 2: I was getting messages from all over the world like
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Speaker 2: a went viral, and India I went viral, and Europe
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Speaker 2: it went viral, and on South America for some people
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Speaker 2: it was like entertainment. I experienced a lot of victim blaming,
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Speaker 2: but I have to say I did also feel like
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Speaker 2: the support of the world behind me, and they ended
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Speaker 2: up posting the police report after it went viral. But
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Speaker 2: I also felt like the system really failed me because
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Speaker 2: if they had just taken me seriously, if they had
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Speaker 2: publicized my report, then the second attack wouldn't have happened,
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Speaker 2: which was just six days after mine.
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Speaker 3: Do you know what happened with that attack and how
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Speaker 3: did you learn about that attack?
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Speaker 2: I found out about the second attack through a follower.
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Speaker 2: Somebody sent me the report. What happened was literally the
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Speaker 2: same exact scenario He attacked her on a Tuesday, was
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Speaker 2: around the same exact time, like eleven am. It was
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Speaker 2: in another nearby park. He was on a bike, same thing.
22:30
Speaker 2: He was dressed in sweats, but he had escalated it
22:35
Speaker 2: to he had taken a knife, so a box cutter
22:41
Speaker 2: to this next attack.
22:43
Speaker 3: After the second attack, Darun was asked to come into
22:46
Speaker 3: the police station and look through a series of photographs
22:50
Speaker 3: to identify the attacker.
22:51
Speaker 2: He was like the second last picture, so I had
22:54
Speaker 2: to go through all those pictures. But as soon as
22:57
Speaker 2: his picture came up and I looked at his eyes,
23:00
Speaker 2: this energy rushed over me and like every cell in
23:04
Speaker 2: my body streamed and was like that's him. Like I
23:09
Speaker 2: knew it was him because of his eyes, because I
23:12
Speaker 2: can never forget that look he gave me right before
23:16
Speaker 2: he came to strangle me. And you know, even though
23:19
Speaker 2: it was a picture, I felt those emotions. And then
23:22
Speaker 2: after they made me go through that, they were like, well,
23:26
Speaker 2: we have a disturbing question to ask you. I was
23:29
Speaker 2: like what, and they were like did he steal anything
23:33
Speaker 2: from you? Like does he Are you missing anything? And
23:36
Speaker 2: I was like no, no, I'm not missing anything. But
23:41
Speaker 2: when they told me, like they found him. We had
23:44
Speaker 2: a backpack on him and he had a bunch of
23:47
Speaker 2: women's items in there. And they told me that he
23:51
Speaker 2: goes out there looking for the opportunity to attack, and
23:55
Speaker 2: then that he is also a trophy keeper, so then
23:59
Speaker 2: he keeps something from his victims. And when they said
24:04
Speaker 2: that to me, I realized that when I thought he
24:09
Speaker 2: was looking for a rock to knock me out, he
24:13
Speaker 2: wasn't actually looking for a rock. He was looking to
24:18
Speaker 2: steal something to.
24:20
Speaker 3: Keep as a trophy.
24:22
Speaker 5: Nineteen year old Paul Yusef of Brampton was charged this
24:25
Speaker 5: week with assault, assault with a weapon, and assault causing
24:28
Speaker 5: bodily harm in connection to two alleged incidents, Henry's and
24:33
Speaker 5: another that happened six days later. That incident taking place
24:37
Speaker 5: at nearby Jayfield Park.
24:39
Speaker 3: Law enforcement was able to identify and charge Paul Yusef.
24:43
Speaker 3: We don't have any information about the other victim, as
24:46
Speaker 3: she was a miner at the time. Paul Yusef was
24:49
Speaker 3: arrested on September twenty eighth, twenty twenty one. Darune now
24:53
Speaker 3: had a name for her attacker, and while she waited
24:56
Speaker 3: to see what would happened to him, she tried to
24:58
Speaker 3: continue living her life. I didn't sleep for maybe two weeks.
25:03
Speaker 3: I just couldn't.
25:05
Speaker 2: Although he wasn't successful, I went through a lot of
25:08
Speaker 2: the after effects.
25:11
Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting to use this word successful, and
25:13
Speaker 3: I know what you mean by it, because he wasn't
25:15
Speaker 3: able to, you know, do what he planned to do,
25:18
Speaker 3: which when you were in that moment, was very clear
25:21
Speaker 3: to you. Looking in his eyes, you knew what he
25:23
Speaker 3: wanted to do. It's still just like he still attacked you.
25:29
Speaker 3: You know, you still had to go through that experience.
25:32
Speaker 2: He wasn't successful, but he was successful in breaking me
25:37
Speaker 2: and you know, making me feel violated. I still feel
25:43
Speaker 2: very violated. For the first two weeks before he was caught,
25:48
Speaker 2: I went through this intense like PTSD where I felt
25:53
Speaker 2: like he was in my kitchen every night, Like I
25:56
Speaker 2: couldn't even go downstairs to like get a glass of
26:00
Speaker 2: water because I felt like he was just there. There
26:03
Speaker 2: were many times where I would just be sitting on
26:06
Speaker 2: my front porch and like a man would walk by,
26:09
Speaker 2: and I thought that man was going to come attack me,
26:12
Speaker 2: and I would just run back into my home. The
26:15
Speaker 2: PTSD was so intense that I literally jumped one day
26:21
Speaker 2: and like almost freaked out on an elderly man at
26:25
Speaker 2: the beach.
26:27
Speaker 3: Something that's important to note. In Canada, you are not
26:30
Speaker 3: allowed to carry a weapon or any tool that is
26:33
Speaker 3: specifically for the purpose of self defense, which would include
26:37
Speaker 3: pepper spray. It was difficult for Derune to feel safe
26:41
Speaker 3: out in the world even during the day. After all,
26:44
Speaker 3: she'd been attacked in a public park at eleven am.
26:48
Speaker 3: She feared something like this would happen again, knowing her
26:50
Speaker 3: only recourse if it ever did happen, would be to fight.
26:55
Speaker 2: One of the triggers I had is that, like when
26:59
Speaker 2: a man is walking towards me and making eye contact,
27:04
Speaker 2: I get triggered, or if there's somebody behind me, I
27:08
Speaker 2: will get triggered and it will bring back that moment
27:11
Speaker 2: and I'll go into like defense mode, Like I didn't
27:16
Speaker 2: want to be touched, like even by my husband, Like
27:19
Speaker 2: he couldn't even tap me on the shoulder.
27:21
Speaker 3: Without me jumping.
27:24
Speaker 2: I dressed in baggy clothes for weeks, like my body
27:30
Speaker 2: was I felt so violated. There's a lot that victims
27:34
Speaker 2: go through that is not talked about.
27:37
Speaker 1: Have you learned anything else about him throughout this process?
27:40
Speaker 1: Like what does he do for work?
27:43
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, Like when we discovered who he was and
27:48
Speaker 2: it went public and I saw a few comments like, oh,
27:51
Speaker 2: I went to.
27:52
Speaker 3: High school with this guy.
27:53
Speaker 2: So I went and I like did my own research.
27:57
Speaker 2: I found out that he's a rack. He which is
28:01
Speaker 2: crazy because I'm Iraqi. I found out that he's my
28:05
Speaker 2: own people and that was very disturbing. And that was
28:10
Speaker 2: one thing I found out about him. A lot of
28:13
Speaker 2: the girls I spoke to from his high school, I
28:16
Speaker 2: think I spoke to like two or three of them,
28:19
Speaker 2: all told me he was a creep and that like
28:22
Speaker 2: he didn't handle rejection very well.
28:27
Speaker 3: Darun waited in anticipation to see what would happen to
28:30
Speaker 3: her attacker, paul Yusif. The waiting, she said, was uncomfortable,
28:36
Speaker 3: but it was also not a new feeling for her.
28:39
Speaker 3: This experience flooded her with memories from a different incident
28:42
Speaker 3: that happened when she was a child.
28:46
Speaker 2: This is also not my first predator. When I was eleven,
28:51
Speaker 2: I was groomed by my teacher, my drama teacher. Like
28:55
Speaker 2: every kid wanted to be around him, like because he
28:58
Speaker 2: was cool. I didn't know he was grooming me until
29:02
Speaker 2: he made it so obvious, and he was like, well,
29:05
Speaker 2: I have a question for you. Do you have pubic care?
29:08
Speaker 2: I was like, whoa, And I was going through puberty
29:12
Speaker 2: and like, I didn't even talk about that stuff with
29:15
Speaker 2: my own parents, so like for you to ask me
29:19
Speaker 2: as a teacher, I legitimately ran home that day. I
29:24
Speaker 2: think I answered him. I have no idea what my
29:27
Speaker 2: reaction was. I just was like, what the fuck, dude,
29:31
Speaker 2: and I ran out of there, like I went home,
29:33
Speaker 2: and then I just avoided him for the remainder of
29:37
Speaker 2: the year. You know, I noticed he always had like
29:42
Speaker 2: a favorite student that was always a female who was
29:45
Speaker 2: always in grade six. And the reason he targeted grade
29:49
Speaker 2: six students, and this is just all my theory was
29:52
Speaker 2: because the year like that was the last year of
29:55
Speaker 2: elementary and then you go to middle school and so
29:58
Speaker 2: you can kind of get away with doing whatever, and
30:01
Speaker 2: then they were off to the next school, which is
30:03
Speaker 2: exactly what happened with me. I just moved on and
30:07
Speaker 2: I went to the next school, and I forgot about it.
30:11
Speaker 2: Darune was clear that although her sixth grade teacher had
30:14
Speaker 2: not physically abused her, his actions were harmful. He was
30:18
Speaker 2: a teacher, someone in a trusted position of authority and
30:22
Speaker 2: he'd used that power to manipulate her. Darune listened to
30:26
Speaker 2: her instincts and distanced herself, never telling anyone what happened,
30:31
Speaker 2: that is until two years later. And then two years
30:36
Speaker 2: later it came up that like the after the year
30:39
Speaker 2: I left, there was like five girls that he was
30:43
Speaker 2: you know, grooming, and had invited back to his house
30:48
Speaker 2: and shown them porn on his computer. He had shown
30:52
Speaker 2: them his privates and like he took it so far
30:58
Speaker 2: with those girls. Know they I guess thought it was
31:03
Speaker 2: a joke. They didn't realize what was happening. And they
31:07
Speaker 2: told me, like we were on the bus going to school,
31:12
Speaker 2: like they were in grade seven. I was in grade eight,
31:14
Speaker 2: and they were telling me all these stories and I
31:17
Speaker 2: was like, you guys, like we have to come forward.
31:20
Speaker 2: And it was my idea to come forward because I
31:23
Speaker 2: have his younger sister and he used to call her
31:26
Speaker 2: little Darune, and I just knew that like she was
31:30
Speaker 2: his next target. So I really did it for my sister.
31:35
Speaker 2: And yeah, at a young age, I had to get questioned.
31:40
Speaker 2: I felt like I was getting interrogated by the police.
31:44
Speaker 2: There was like victim blaming involved at that time as well.
31:48
Speaker 2: With the new teachers in grade eight, Like I remember
31:51
Speaker 2: getting treated differently because of coming.
31:54
Speaker 3: Forward, and so.
31:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is this cuts deep because I still have
32:00
Speaker 2: trauma from the age of eleven twelve thirteen. I was
32:06
Speaker 2: very afraid of like coming out because as child, you
32:09
Speaker 2: think that like you did something wrong for the teacher
32:12
Speaker 2: to ask me a question like that, like what did
32:15
Speaker 2: what did you do for him to ask you that? Right?
32:17
Speaker 2: Like that was how my mind worked. At the end
32:20
Speaker 2: of the day, I feel like my voice is there
32:24
Speaker 2: like this time around, Like I fought so hard because
32:28
Speaker 2: of little Darun, because like little Daru never got justice.
32:33
Speaker 2: Like I was just like, yeah, I'm just like a
32:36
Speaker 2: witness in all this, but really I was a victim
32:39
Speaker 2: and I was groomed and my innocence was stolen. But
32:43
Speaker 2: I was okay with like not getting the justice as
32:46
Speaker 2: long as he was in trouble and as long as
32:49
Speaker 2: like there was other victims to help me prove that
32:54
Speaker 2: this guy was shouldn't be a teacher, shouldn't even be
32:57
Speaker 2: around kids.
33:00
Speaker 3: To ruin what she meant when she said she never
33:02
Speaker 3: got justice as a child, She was just left to
33:05
Speaker 3: process what had happened to her alone as a result
33:09
Speaker 3: of this. Even years later, she explained that she still
33:12
Speaker 3: has questions and she never really got closure. And when
33:16
Speaker 3: she was attacked on September fifteenth, twenty twenty one, in
33:20
Speaker 3: Massy Park, suddenly this incident from middle school came back
33:23
Speaker 3: into her mind.
33:25
Speaker 2: I thought of him, and I remembered that experience. It
33:30
Speaker 2: just came up, and I was just so angry about
33:35
Speaker 2: the world, Like I was just so angry.
33:38
Speaker 3: It just came up.
33:40
Speaker 2: I guess it was just like that blocked trauma that
33:45
Speaker 2: was still in there.
33:46
Speaker 3: It all came up. Darune spoke up in middle school
33:49
Speaker 3: and again as an adult after she was attacked in
33:52
Speaker 3: Massy Park. Her motivation to warn others, to advocate for victims,
33:58
Speaker 3: and perhaps to make a big deal about something that
34:02
Speaker 3: is a big deal. Sometimes, though, you can do all
34:05
Speaker 3: the right things and still be let down. When I
34:09
Speaker 3: first spoke with Darune in the fall of twenty twenty four,
34:12
Speaker 3: she told me that she was still waiting to know
34:14
Speaker 3: the results of Paul Yusif's case. I decided to see
34:18
Speaker 3: what I could find out, so I called the Peel
34:21
Speaker 3: Regional Police and then they directed me to the Davis
34:24
Speaker 3: Courthouse in Brampton. We don't directly talk about this in
34:27
Speaker 3: the interview. But what happened was I was emailed the
34:31
Speaker 3: case documents the day before we recorded this interview with Darune.
34:36
Speaker 3: I found out that the sentence scene hearing had already happened.
34:40
Speaker 3: It happened in May of twenty twenty four. Paul Yusif
34:43
Speaker 3: was sentenced to four months of conditional sentence, house arrest
34:47
Speaker 3: and two years probation. I didn't want to spring this
34:51
Speaker 3: information on Darune during the recording, so I sent her
34:55
Speaker 3: an email the night before the interview with the case information.
34:59
Speaker 3: She later told me that while she is glad to
35:01
Speaker 3: have this information, it was also very difficult to receive
35:05
Speaker 3: and it opened up a whole new set of worries
35:07
Speaker 3: for her.
35:09
Speaker 2: I have been waiting for three years. Nobody has updated
35:13
Speaker 2: me on anything. He only got four months of house arrest.
35:18
Speaker 2: He also lives in our neighborhood, so he lives within
35:23
Speaker 2: five kilometers of us. So that's the other scary part,
35:29
Speaker 2: is like, yeah, like he's free now, and I had
35:34
Speaker 2: no idea.
35:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think it's pretty like ridiculous that
35:39
Speaker 3: they didn't update you on all of that, even just
35:42
Speaker 3: to keep you informed. I feel like that should have happened.
35:45
Speaker 2: I can't believe it. I legitimately had a mental breakdown
35:52
Speaker 2: last night when I saw your message and was like
35:55
Speaker 2: what that is impossible?
35:57
Speaker 3: Like how could how could they tell me? I wasn't
36:03
Speaker 3: able to get a hold of anyone to ask them
36:05
Speaker 3: these questions, but it started, you know, it was so
36:07
Speaker 3: shocking to me when I heard that, because he attacked
36:11
Speaker 3: two people. Clearly he was past you, hit his bike,
36:14
Speaker 3: was watching you. And maybe it goes back to this
36:17
Speaker 3: idea of was he quote unquote successful and if he,
36:21
Speaker 3: you know, because he wasn't, then he gets a lesser sentence.
36:24
Speaker 3: But it really brings up this question of justice, because
36:28
Speaker 3: how is that justice? Yeah, it's not. It's a nightmare.
36:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it's it's almost as if like you have
36:39
Speaker 2: to end up like dead in the woods for them
36:42
Speaker 2: to actually care or like do anything. And that's truly
36:47
Speaker 2: how I feel, Like, oh he thought of taps, Well,
36:50
Speaker 2: shit happens every day, Darune, Like move on right, Like
36:54
Speaker 2: that's that's how I took it, Like, well, you're lucky
36:57
Speaker 2: enough you could fight and fight right, Like you're lucky
37:00
Speaker 2: you got away, Like it's all luck.
37:02
Speaker 3: It's like a game of luck.
37:04
Speaker 2: Like, I just kind of want to reiterate my message
37:08
Speaker 2: to women, and it's that you have a voice, right,
37:14
Speaker 2: and like that you're powerful, and that you're stronger than
37:20
Speaker 2: you believe to be, and that you can also punch
37:24
Speaker 2: a man in the face and survive, and that it's
37:29
Speaker 2: okay to freeze. I think that was one thing that like,
37:33
Speaker 2: I felt like a lot of victims came forward and
37:36
Speaker 2: kept saying, like I wish I had your strength, I
37:38
Speaker 2: wish I had done something, But like I want to
37:41
Speaker 2: remind women that I also froze in that moment, like
37:45
Speaker 2: right after I punched him, and like that it's a
37:48
Speaker 2: very natural reaction to have. But the more prepared you are, right, Like,
37:54
Speaker 2: I just feel like I was prepared and that you know,
37:58
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, I feel like, you know,
38:02
Speaker 2: I was very successful quote unquote in getting him captured
38:08
Speaker 2: and you know all that stuff because it rarely goes
38:13
Speaker 2: that far. Right.
38:24
Speaker 1: Wow, that was an incredible interview. I'm so I feel
38:28
Speaker 1: so lucky she shared her story with us.
38:30
Speaker 3: Me too, Yeah, it was really powerful and I'm so
38:33
Speaker 3: glad that she spoke with us.
38:34
Speaker 1: Going into these interviews, we have to do some level
38:37
Speaker 1: of prep and in this case, you discovered that Paul
38:41
Speaker 1: Yusuf had already actually had his court proceedings. So do
38:45
Speaker 1: you want to talk a little bit about how you
38:48
Speaker 1: navigated that going into the interview with Darune.
38:50
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not something I think I would have known
38:53
Speaker 3: how to do or felt comfortable doing before we started
38:56
Speaker 3: working in podcasting, because basically I couldn't find any information
39:01
Speaker 3: about it online. Neither could Darune, which is why she
39:05
Speaker 3: believed that the case was still open. And so I
39:09
Speaker 3: called the police station where the article I did find
39:12
Speaker 3: where he was arrested, and then they told me the courthouse,
39:15
Speaker 3: which was like in a different county. So then I
39:17
Speaker 3: called the courthouse and got ahold of them, and then
39:19
Speaker 3: I was able to get the court documents, and it
39:22
Speaker 3: was really surprised to learn that the case was closed,
39:26
Speaker 3: that his sentence sing hearing had already happened like six
39:29
Speaker 3: months before. And I don't know exactly why why he
39:34
Speaker 3: got a four month conditional sentence in two years probation.
39:37
Speaker 3: But the most shocking thing to me was that Darun
39:41
Speaker 3: had not been updated and had not been able to
39:44
Speaker 3: find this information.
39:45
Speaker 1: And lived so close to him, lives.
39:48
Speaker 3: Like a few miles away. It had no idea.
39:51
Speaker 1: Such a nightmare.
39:52
Speaker 3: Okay, so this takes place in Canada, which is different
39:54
Speaker 3: than the US, and I'm not as familiar with the
39:57
Speaker 3: laws there. It was difficult, honestly, even getting the court paperwork,
40:02
Speaker 3: much more difficult than I found in the US when
40:04
Speaker 3: I've sat out records. So I reached out to a
40:06
Speaker 3: few different reporters. Essentially I didn't get a clear answer
40:10
Speaker 3: on this on what the process is and also why
40:15
Speaker 3: a victim wouldn't be informed, but you might have some
40:18
Speaker 3: information about this.
40:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, after we talked about this and came to
40:22
Speaker 1: this sort of realization that we weren't even clear on
40:26
Speaker 1: what Durune's rights were as a victim of someone who
40:30
Speaker 1: physically assaulted her, probably with the intent to sexually assault her.
40:34
Speaker 1: You know, it was really alarming, and so I went
40:37
Speaker 1: ahead and contacted a victim advocacy group called the Canadian
40:40
Speaker 1: Resource Center for Victims of Crime, and I spoke with
40:43
Speaker 1: a representative there and she had some really interesting information. Essentially,
40:47
Speaker 1: in Canada there exists the Canadian Victim's Bill of Rights,
40:51
Speaker 1: and Darune had a lot more rights than I think
40:53
Speaker 1: were exercised, and probably that's because she didn't even know
40:57
Speaker 1: that she had those rights. And it also us back
41:00
Speaker 1: to well, she's the victim of a crime, and so
41:04
Speaker 1: is the onus on the victim to go say, okay,
41:06
Speaker 1: what are my rights? Or is it on law enforcement
41:09
Speaker 1: to say, okay, here's your rights, or connect you to
41:12
Speaker 1: someone who can make you aware so that you can
41:16
Speaker 1: stay safe throughout this ordeal. And basically she has what's
41:21
Speaker 1: called a right to information, which is about the status
41:23
Speaker 1: of the investigation, the alleged offense, the location of proceedings,
41:27
Speaker 1: available services, right to protection, right to participation, which is
41:32
Speaker 1: conveying their views when decisions are made by authority.
41:35
Speaker 3: Well, this is why I was shocked, because so many
41:37
Speaker 3: cases we've covered before, victims will get a chance to
41:41
Speaker 3: offer a victim impact statement at a sentencing hearing, which
41:44
Speaker 3: can influence a sentence on someone. Right if a judge
41:48
Speaker 3: hears that this was incredibly emotionally traumatic or whatever, that
41:51
Speaker 3: could be informative in sentencing. Well, if the victim is
41:54
Speaker 3: not informed about the sentencing hearing, they have no chance
41:57
Speaker 3: to offer a victim imp hack statement.
42:01
Speaker 1: Right, And I think you know Drew and put it
42:03
Speaker 1: so well in the interview when she was talking about
42:06
Speaker 1: how you know this person attacked her in broad daylight,
42:09
Speaker 1: in broad daylight, I think it was eleven thirty am.
42:12
Speaker 1: She was like, of course he was going to do
42:14
Speaker 1: this again, and she was right and was keeping trophies,
42:17
Speaker 1: was keeping trophies like he was not someone who was
42:20
Speaker 1: just going to be kind of come to the realization
42:24
Speaker 1: that he shouldn't be doing this. He's dangerous and so
42:26
Speaker 1: it was really scary, I'm sure for her to learn
42:29
Speaker 1: that he actually lives quite close and she had no
42:32
Speaker 1: idea what the status was of the case. No one
42:36
Speaker 1: told her, and she, it turns out, did have a
42:39
Speaker 1: right to that information. Now, when I spoke to the
42:42
Speaker 1: representative from this advocacy group, they said that it's not
42:45
Speaker 1: exactly clear whose job it is to say, here are
42:49
Speaker 1: your rights, but that if you are a victim of
42:52
Speaker 1: a crime in Canada, especially a violent crime, you should
42:56
Speaker 1: be able to ask law enforcement what are some resources
42:59
Speaker 1: I can have access to and they should be able
43:02
Speaker 1: to point you in this direction of either an advocacy
43:04
Speaker 1: group or paperwork that outlines your rights for you. And
43:08
Speaker 1: it's unfortunate, but it sounds like you do have to
43:10
Speaker 1: do some self advocating to get that information, but it
43:14
Speaker 1: does exist, so you know, it's not ideal, but I
43:18
Speaker 1: think that it's an important takeaway for anyone who might
43:21
Speaker 1: find themselves in an unfortunate situation like this, because I
43:24
Speaker 1: think had Duraw known, she would have absolutely exercised those rights.
43:29
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, you know, it's a good practice to if
43:33
Speaker 3: you find yourself in that situation to ask that of
43:36
Speaker 3: law enforcement, who do I contact, what's the number? How
43:39
Speaker 3: often will I be updated? You know, ask all the questions.
43:43
Speaker 3: It's hard to also put that on a victim. When
43:46
Speaker 3: hearing Duran's story, it's like the shock even right after
43:49
Speaker 3: this attack. She doesn't have the presence of mind to
43:53
Speaker 3: do that, I'm sure, but even to be able to
43:55
Speaker 3: reach out after, you know, one of the things that
43:58
Speaker 3: I feel like I've learned from trying to track information down,
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Speaker 3: calling courthouses, calling police stations is like, you know, bureaucratic
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Speaker 3: institutions are not just going to be like here, let
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Speaker 3: me help you and getting all this information. You just
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Speaker 3: have to be like, okay, keep asking, keep asking, Okay,
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Speaker 3: well you should contact this department? Cool, how do I
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Speaker 3: do that? What would that website or that phone number be?
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Speaker 3: You just have to ask a ton of questions, which
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Speaker 3: is unfortunate, that's the case. But yeah, yeah, you have.
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Speaker 1: To be kind of a bulldog about it. I mean,
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Speaker 1: you and I have been contacting courthouses and looking for
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Speaker 1: court records and reaching out to law enforcement for a
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Speaker 1: long time now. But still sometimes I have a really
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Speaker 1: hard time figuring out, how do I get to this person?
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Speaker 1: Oh you have to go through this other person and
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Speaker 1: you know, pretty soonior following up three times, and you know,
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Speaker 1: for us working in podcasting, obviously that's a less important
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Speaker 1: email than a victim. But I think the same bureaucratic
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Speaker 1: nightmare exists where you're like, okay, but who do I call?
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Speaker 1: What is the number? And they're like, let me look
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Speaker 1: into that.
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Speaker 3: Mm hmm. Yeah, well that sounds like a really helpful organization.
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Speaker 3: We should put that in the show notes. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: They're also you know, there's no cost to utilizing their services.
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Speaker 3: Oh that's fantastic. Yeah. Do they serve all of Canada?
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Speaker 1: I think they serve all of Canada, but I know
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Speaker 1: they serve Ontario and they help people who have experienced
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Speaker 1: violent crime. They have a homicide support group. They really
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Speaker 1: have a lot of resources that I didn't even know
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Speaker 1: existed that are more specific, So the Canadian Resource Center
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Speaker 1: for Victims of Crime. I'm just reading from what it
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Speaker 1: says on their website. The CRCBC provides support, research and
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Speaker 1: education to survivors of serious crime and stakeholders in Canada.
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Speaker 1: So reach out to them if you need victim advocacy.
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Speaker 1: I think that it was so easy for me to
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Speaker 1: reach them and hop on a call. I have no
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Speaker 1: doubt that they would help point someone in the right direction.
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Speaker 3: Love that.
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Speaker 1: So if anyone is interested in reaching out to the
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Speaker 1: Canadian Resource Center for Victims of Crime, you can go
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Speaker 1: to their website. It's CRCVC dot cog and there's a
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Speaker 1: contact us link And that is how I reached them
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Speaker 1: and I heard back within a day.
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Speaker 3: Amazing, Yeah, amazing.
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Speaker 1: That was a great interview.
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Speaker 3: Fantastic. We'll be back next week, all right, looking forward
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