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Good Shoes Take You Places: with Jimmy Choo's Global Director of Entertainment Sara Riff · QUESTION EVERYTHING

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Speaker 1: Big things happen when you're pretty, pretty bold, pretty clever,
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Speaker 1: pretty strong. I'm Danielle Robe, and each week my guests
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Speaker 1: and I have conversations that put a new spin on pretty.
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Speaker 1: This is pretty smart. I think my very first introduction
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Speaker 1: to Jimmy Choo was in season three, episode one of
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Speaker 1: Sex in the City. Carrie loses a shoe running to
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Speaker 1: catch the Staten Island Fairy. But not just any shoe.
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Speaker 1: It's Jimmy Choo. Carrie introduced us, or me at least,
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Speaker 1: to the idea that great shoes have a unique power,
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Speaker 1: a power that sometimes other clothes can't quite match. I
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Speaker 1: think it's because clothing is so often tied to our
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Speaker 1: body image. Shoes just either fit or don't, and if
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Speaker 1: they don't, you simply try a new size or another pair.
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Speaker 1: End of story. I also feel like they're a piece
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Speaker 1: of artwork, and if you look up YouTube videos of
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Speaker 1: how a shoe is made, really is a piece of art.
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Speaker 1: I've been obsessed with shoes since I can remember. I
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Speaker 1: wasn't a purse person. I didn't really care if I
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Speaker 1: had the perfect dress for an occasion, but shoes. I
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Speaker 1: loved my shoes, and they definitely weren't designer like I
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Speaker 1: would walk into Steve Madden and my eyes would get wide.
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Speaker 1: The first designer item I ever bought myself was actually
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Speaker 1: a yellow pair of Saint Laurent pumps from the Sacks
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Speaker 1: on Wilshire Boulevard in California. In LA they were on
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Speaker 1: sale for a little more than half off, and it
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Speaker 1: was because Entertainment Tonight Online hired me. I thought this
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Speaker 1: was going to be a huge moment for my career
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Speaker 1: and I needed the perfect first day outfit. I asked
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Speaker 1: all my friends, I pulled them on what they thought
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Speaker 1: I should wear, and we all decided it was a tight,
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Speaker 1: high waisted pair of indigodenim jeans, a fitted white collared
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Speaker 1: blouse with the sleeves pushed up so I looked a
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Speaker 1: little undone. And these yellow pumps. They were four hundred
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Speaker 1: dollars and I definitely could not afford them. But once
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Speaker 1: and needs are different things, and in that moment, I
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Speaker 1: needed those yellow heels. Years later, my obsession with heels
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Speaker 1: turned into an obsession with sneakers. My mouth no longer
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Speaker 1: waters at the Nieman's Christmas sale or the Barney's Shoe department,
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Speaker 1: but it does when I look at a row of
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Speaker 1: Jordan's at flight Club or online at stock X, and
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Speaker 1: when I think about my love for footwear, in hindsight,
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Speaker 1: shoes can literally lift us higher or keep us comfy.
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Speaker 1: They ground us. Simply put, great shoes have the power
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Speaker 1: to take us places, and nobody knows that better than
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Speaker 1: our guest today. Sarah Riff is a fashion veteran who's
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Speaker 1: the global director of Entertainment Relations for the one and
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Speaker 1: Only Jimmy Choo. Sarah has a very big job. She's
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Speaker 1: in charge of dressing a listers in product placement, special
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Speaker 1: events and projects. And yes, as you can imagine, she
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Speaker 1: has one hell of a shoe closet, which she has
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Speaker 1: dubbed hashtag chewporn on Instagram. And today she's telling us
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Speaker 1: all about what she's learned in her sixteen years building
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Speaker 1: a global fashion powerhouse, and what she's learned styling some
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Speaker 1: of Hollywood's biggest stars, and of course, the undeniable power
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Speaker 1: of shoes. Sarah Riff, welcome to Pretty Smart and thank
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Speaker 1: you for coming. So you grew up in Los Angeles
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Speaker 1: and I always call you all unicorns because there's not
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Speaker 1: very many of you. Do you feel like a California girl.
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Speaker 2: I grew up in Laguna Beach, so no, I would
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Speaker 2: say that, yes, I one hundred percent feel like a
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Speaker 2: California girl. I grew up on the beach, so you know,
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Speaker 2: I think in terms of what people would stereotype as
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Speaker 2: someone from California, I definitely had that upring.
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Speaker 1: When you grow up in the Midwest, you just think
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Speaker 1: La is so far away, but in Laguna you're like
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Speaker 1: an hour from Hollywood. Did you always want to be
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Speaker 1: in entertainment? You know?
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Speaker 2: I think growing up when I got a little older
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Speaker 2: and I could drive and I could take the trip
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Speaker 2: into like it filmed far away from me too, because
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Speaker 2: I grew up in a really small beach town, and
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Speaker 2: you know, through the exploitation of things like Bravo and
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Speaker 2: the Housewives and we've seen Housewives of Orange County, that
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Speaker 2: portrays a very different picture than the Laguna that I
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Speaker 2: grew up in, which was like one of the original
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Speaker 2: artist colonies. It was really you know, even though yeah,
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Speaker 2: it's like it's such a cool community, it's a very
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Speaker 2: small It has certainly attracted a certain personality.
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Speaker 3: You know, more recently, but when I grew up in Laguna, it.
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Speaker 2: Was like board shorts and surfing and bare feet and
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Speaker 2: you know, and beach bums in a really cool way,
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Speaker 2: which I think probably inform a lot of my kind
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Speaker 2: of laid back personality.
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Speaker 1: What would you consider your style? Is it laid back
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Speaker 1: at all?
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Speaker 3: Okay? Do you mean esthetic style?
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Speaker 2: Like?
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Speaker 3: Okay, so this is interesting.
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Speaker 2: But I recently had a friend, well like meaning my
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Speaker 2: management style, my you know, relationship style, my parenting style,
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Speaker 2: my like in terms of like how I would put
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Speaker 2: myself together. I mean during COVID, I said it was
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Speaker 2: a lot of like business on top, you know, like
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Speaker 2: tired mom on the bottom, you know what.
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Speaker 3: Like below where you couldn't see.
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Speaker 2: But I have been actually working on this a little
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Speaker 2: bit because I have a friend who's been, you know,
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Speaker 2: helping me clean.
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Speaker 3: Out my closet.
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Speaker 2: I've been following this girl, Alison Bornstein.
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Speaker 3: Do you know who this is? So she's all about identifying.
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Speaker 2: Your three words, and I gave it a lot of
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Speaker 2: thought and mine is sexy, rich Italian.
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Speaker 3: Who those are good words? I'm you know, I'm not Italian.
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Speaker 1: You need to summer in coffree?
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Speaker 2: Well I do, girl, But you know I'm not Italian.
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Speaker 2: You know, I like to think I'm sexy, and you
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Speaker 2: know I'm rich as relative, right, I'm rich in my mind,
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Speaker 2: I'm rich with like love and rich in spirit. I'm
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Speaker 2: rich in spirit. But yeah, sexy rich Italian is my
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Speaker 2: like undercurrent.
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Speaker 1: So did you love the latest season of of course?
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Speaker 2: Yes? Okay, yes, but actually Mike White is a friend
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Speaker 2: of mine. I know what we're talking about.
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Speaker 3: White Lotus, right.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, So that's Sicily where I've been going for
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Speaker 2: the last couple of years, and I'm going back this year.
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Speaker 2: And my only complaint is that, you know, it's like
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Speaker 2: anything that.
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Speaker 3: You love, the more and more it gets.
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Speaker 2: Discovered by everybody that starts to feel a little bit.
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Speaker 1: Well, the problem is you post on Instagram and you
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Speaker 1: make it look so good and then everyone follows you
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Speaker 1: because you're a taste maker.
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Speaker 2: But I can hardly say that Italy is like, you know,
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Speaker 2: like an untapped secret, right, So you know I am
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Speaker 2: one of the cheesers that also ends up there over
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Speaker 2: the summer.
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Speaker 1: Well, I think now that you have these three words,
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Speaker 1: I'm curious to see what your lens is while you're there.
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Speaker 1: If it changes it all, well, it's.
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Speaker 2: Actually really helpful, like the idea of it and Actually,
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Speaker 2: my friend who helped me with my closet, she you know,
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Speaker 2: when I will make purchases, she will say, like, think
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Speaker 2: about your three words.
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Speaker 3: Do these things fit with that? You know, because sometimes
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Speaker 3: like we.
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Speaker 2: All fall victim to Instagram shopping or buying into trends.
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Speaker 3: And then if I look and I'm like, what a
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Speaker 3: sexy rich.
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Speaker 2: Italian wear thissh wear this?
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Speaker 3: Like if not, I got to throw it back.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 1: Wait, that is so good because there can be things
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Speaker 1: that you think are cute that are not for you.
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Speaker 3: In closet and in life.
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Speaker 1: My friend, yes, right, of course, I actually find that
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Speaker 1: a lot of fashion advice applies to life.
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Speaker 3: I think that there's a through line. I think the
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Speaker 3: thing is is that, like I.
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Speaker 2: Think what's typical is because we have become really super homogenized, right,
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Speaker 2: and style when it's really unique, individual style should not
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Speaker 2: be replicating every other girl that you see.
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Speaker 1: You know, Instagram changed that, Yeah, And.
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Speaker 2: So it's like I was in a coffee shop the
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Speaker 2: other day and I saw a girl and she was
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Speaker 2: in the bike shorts with like the white socks and
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Speaker 2: like the cool dad sneakers and the cap, and she
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Speaker 2: looked like she was just sort of walking out of
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Speaker 2: like an Instagram with like a macha or something, and.
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Speaker 3: I thought, what a weird time that we're living in.
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Speaker 2: You know, like, first of all, my husband like still
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Speaker 2: makes fun of me because I can't wear high socks,
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Speaker 2: like and I call sneakers tennis shoes.
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Speaker 3: So I'm like, not, I'm not cool enough to do that.
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Speaker 3: I think it's sort of but.
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Speaker 1: You're cool enough to be a hot rich Italian one.
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Speaker 3: Well, a hotch you know.
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Speaker 2: I didn't say hot, I said a sexy, ritual sexy,
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Speaker 2: you know, so a sexy rich Italian.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, she's gonna she goes.
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Speaker 2: Her own way.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So you said that you were lucky to land your
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Speaker 1: dream job very early and you've been with Jimmy Cho
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Speaker 1: for sixteen years.
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Speaker 3: No, I hate saying that because I feel like it
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Speaker 3: ages me. No, but I like about it as an
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Speaker 3: internship you did.
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Speaker 2: But let's say that I did you know, it was
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Speaker 2: like one of those high school internships that just turned
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Speaker 2: into something. You know, Well, I think I can't lie
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Speaker 2: to you. I did not start there in high school,
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Speaker 2: but oh you actually got me.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, But I think it's so rare nowadays because people
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Speaker 1: sometimes switch jobs after eight months.
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Speaker 3: Yes, they do.
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Speaker 1: I was just watching Simon Sinek talk about how he
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Speaker 1: doesn't hire people who change jobs all the time, and
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Speaker 1: I thought, what an old way of thinking. And then
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Speaker 1: he said something interesting. He said, I don't pay people
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Speaker 1: that have been at my company for ten years because
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Speaker 1: they can weather good storms and have easy sales. He said,
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Speaker 1: because somebody who just started can also probably do the
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Speaker 1: same work and weather easy sales. It's when things get
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Speaker 1: hard and you hit a storm that I pay people
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Speaker 1: that have been at my company for ten years way
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Speaker 1: more than the person who just started.
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Speaker 3: Is he hiring? Yeah, right, just kidding.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think that there's a lot of truth to that.
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Speaker 2: I think to every level of what you discussed. I
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Speaker 2: think that probably for any of your younger listeners. I
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Speaker 2: think that I'm a little bit like I like to
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Speaker 2: think of myself as elder millennial, Like I straddle the
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Speaker 2: line of you know, the way that I was brought
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Speaker 2: up was in a different time. There was a lot
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Speaker 2: less movement. It was, you know, it really was with
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Speaker 2: a lot more longevity and mind. Also, like you said,
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Speaker 2: it was something when I didn't work up to hoping
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Speaker 2: to land where I am Luckily I landed there early,
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Speaker 2: and I never felt the need to hop around, either
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Speaker 2: to establish my worth or to chase something that I
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Speaker 2: didn't find where I was. And that sort of like
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Speaker 2: you know another like in life, in your closet, in
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Speaker 2: your work too, but the culture's different now, you know,
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Speaker 2: So no judgment for people who hop around.
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Speaker 3: I just found something that really worked for me on
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Speaker 3: a lot of levels.
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Speaker 2: And I feel really lucky because I'm very immersed in
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Speaker 2: a brand that I truly believe in, so I don't
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Speaker 2: need to, you know, go elsewhere to find that.
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Speaker 1: When you call it your dream job, what makes it
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Speaker 1: a dream job?
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Speaker 2: I think what makes it a dream job is that
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Speaker 2: I feel so many parts of myself activated there. You know,
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Speaker 2: I don't feel like I have to clock in and
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Speaker 2: clock out and pursue my personal pursuits. On the side,
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Speaker 2: I think it feels very reflective of who I am authentically,
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Speaker 2: which I think, you know, makes it a dream job.
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Speaker 2: I think there are so many people who you know,
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Speaker 2: have to kind of turn on their authentic selves, you know,
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Speaker 2: kind of off hours, and I don't feel that in
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Speaker 2: a really great way. Listen, nothing's perfect, there's you know,
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Speaker 2: there's certainly, like there are very unglamorous elements of the job.
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Speaker 2: Just like with anything that you do. I think, no
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Speaker 2: matter what you're doing, like the pursuit of it consistently
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Speaker 2: and at a certain level will always create situations that are,
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Speaker 2: like you said, harder storms to weather, but more rewarding
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Speaker 2: in the end.
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Speaker 1: As you reflect on sixteen years, do you feel proud
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Speaker 1: of the storms that you weathered?
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Speaker 2: I do. I feel really proud of so many of
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Speaker 2: the things I think that I've been able to accomplish
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Speaker 2: there and my own big growth points. You know, I
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Speaker 2: think just in terms of how I'm able to weather storms,
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Speaker 2: how I'm able to take criticism, how I'm able to negotiate,
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Speaker 2: how I'm able to, you know, have certain harder conversations
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Speaker 2: and just kind of cross the tough things off the list.
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Speaker 1: First.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a lot of that.
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Speaker 1: I was listening to a podcast and this guy said,
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Speaker 1: you are a handful of relationships away from your dream job,
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Speaker 1: and your job is so relational. You're so good at
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Speaker 1: it too, it seems. I'm curious your thoughts on this.
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Speaker 1: Andrew Yang, who is hosting the podcast, said, the thing
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Speaker 1: about that is that I only know people because I've
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Speaker 1: done things. I don't do things because I know people.
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Speaker 1: Like he had immigrant parents, he started from the bottom,
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Speaker 1: so to speak, right, what is your take on that.
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Speaker 2: When I decided to pursue what I was pursuing in fashion,
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Speaker 2: I had no foot in the door, I had no
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Speaker 2: leg up, I had no relationships. So I feel that
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Speaker 2: I relate to both parts of what he said. Now
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Speaker 2: at my stage of life, with my position, there are
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Speaker 2: a lot of cool things that I do because I
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Speaker 2: know great people. I feel like I've been able to
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Speaker 2: meet all those people because I've consistently done things to
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Speaker 2: prove myself, to create relationships, to open doors.
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Speaker 3: So I think it. I think it works both ways.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 1: I think you're right.
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Speaker 3: I think it does. I mean I think that, like you.
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Speaker 2: Know, I don't feel that anything that I'm doing because
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Speaker 2: of people I know has been not earned, if that
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Speaker 2: makes sense.
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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, you know completely. I just was wondering, like
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Speaker 1: how I remember graduating college and thinking like, how the
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Speaker 1: hell am.
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Speaker 3: I ever going to meet anybody? Right?
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Speaker 1: And my tactic I used to send people like cookies
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Speaker 1: or bamboo plants because no one would reply to my email.
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Speaker 3: Good tactic.
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Speaker 1: What did you do?
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Speaker 3: Oh? Well, I do have a funny story about this, and.
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Speaker 2: This was a good learning point. As I remember early days,
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Speaker 2: I had actually interviewed for a magazine job and it
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Speaker 2: was in ad sales, which you.
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Speaker 3: Know, in respect, I wouldn't have liked that.
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Speaker 2: Anyways, I think even though it was an ad sales,
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Speaker 2: in my mind it was an editorial. I'm not really
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Speaker 2: sure what was going on, but I was just obviously trying.
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Speaker 3: To get my foot in the door.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And the interview went really well, and I was
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Speaker 2: excited here and I remember seeing my phone light up
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Speaker 2: and saying.
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Speaker 3: Connie n asked and I was like, oh my god,
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Speaker 3: this is it. They're calling to offer me the job.
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Speaker 2: And the woman was like, Hi, you know, I just
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Speaker 2: want to check in with you after our interview, and
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Speaker 2: I wanted to let you know I.
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Speaker 3: Really enjoyed meeting you.
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Speaker 2: And I'm like, you know, imagining my like all my
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Speaker 2: outfits for my new job and my title and the
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Speaker 2: whole thing. And I was like yes, and she was like,
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Speaker 2: but I'm not hiring you.
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Speaker 3: And I was like okay. And she was like and
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Speaker 3: I want to let you know why. And I was like, okay,
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Speaker 3: please do and she she.
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Speaker 2: Told me and now this is funny, like now that
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Speaker 2: I think about this, like one hundred years later.
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Speaker 3: But she was like, you know, you sent me an email.
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Speaker 2: To follow up with our interview, and the other candidate
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Speaker 2: that I decided to go with sent me a handwritten note.
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Speaker 3: Now you could take this one of two ways, right.
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Speaker 2: You could say, like, well, this woman was being very particular,
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Speaker 2: But I kind of thought that by virtue of the
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Speaker 2: fact that she called me, you know, I really felt
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Speaker 2: that that was helpful feedback. You know, I think oftentimes
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Speaker 2: we don't get feedback, so that could be like, yeah,
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Speaker 2: with friends of mine who've been ghosted after like great
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Speaker 2: dates or you know, a relationship that went wrong or
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Speaker 2: a negotiation that doesn't work.
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Speaker 3: Out, that's true, and you don't often.
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Speaker 2: Get, you know, the opportunity to hear from someone as
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Speaker 2: to why why. This is a very minimal example of like,
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Speaker 2: you know, like an entry level job.
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Speaker 3: But I really like took that to heart.
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Speaker 2: And you know, when you say that you were sending
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Speaker 2: cookies or bamboo plants, like, there's something about putting in
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Speaker 2: the extra effort and also making yourself memorable.
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Speaker 3: I'm in the process of.
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Speaker 2: Hiring right now, and it's interesting going through you know,
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Speaker 2: interviews and seeing resumes and seeing all the things that
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Speaker 2: people do to make themselves stand out.
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Speaker 3: And I think that that's a really good lesson to
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Speaker 3: learn too.
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Speaker 1: Is there anything that anybody's done that really felt memorable
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Speaker 1: to you?
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Speaker 3: Not as memorable as cookies. I haven't done any good deliveries.
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Speaker 3: If anyone's watching, you know, please love a cookie.
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Speaker 1: I love that. So your title is Global Director of
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Speaker 1: Entertainment Relations. What a cool title. First of all, thank
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Speaker 1: you Global. I don't know how many people with the
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Speaker 1: word global in their title.
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Speaker 2: It really goes back to those three words. You know,
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Speaker 2: that's where the Italian comes.
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Speaker 1: No, just kidding. What is the most exciting aspect of
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Speaker 1: your jobs? I think when people hear your title they
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Speaker 1: start dreaming or daydreaming.
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Speaker 2: I think there's so many exciting elements to it. I
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Speaker 2: think being able to work with all these incredible image
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Speaker 2: makers has been really impactful. I think watching you know,
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Speaker 2: the prod that's drumped up come to life, and you know,
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Speaker 2: whether that's on like the Global runway, which is the
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Speaker 2: red carpet, or seeing how it's interpreted in street style.
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Speaker 3: I think watching how.
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Speaker 2: Much joy it brings people is really great. I think
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Speaker 2: that's one of the things is when you say Jimmy
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Speaker 2: cho it does just elevate spirit a little bit because
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Speaker 2: people think about that kind of you know, undeniable sensation
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Speaker 2: that you have, like that every woman can pretty much
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Speaker 2: relate to when you step into a pair of shoes
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Speaker 2: and you just like look at yourself a certain way.
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Speaker 2: You walk taller, you feel elevated, you feel empowered. You know,
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Speaker 2: you don't have to like feel any sort of way
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Speaker 2: if your pants are feeling tight that day or something
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Speaker 2: else doesn't fit well.
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Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I think.
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Speaker 2: That that's why women love shoes so much, is that
18:57
Speaker 2: they're just that kind of like instant mood lift. Yeah,
19:00
Speaker 2: you know, and really that's across the globe, I think
19:04
Speaker 2: for women. I think that that's one of those connectors.
19:07
Speaker 2: People feel passionate about fashion and accessories and beauty and shoes,
19:14
Speaker 2: and so that's really, you know, a fun kind of
19:16
Speaker 2: connective tissue that I think we all have.
19:19
Speaker 1: I think so too. There's this phrase that good shoes
19:21
Speaker 1: take you places that I've always thought about. I remember
19:25
Speaker 1: when I got my first real job, that's what I
19:28
Speaker 1: bought myself was a pair of shoes. Do you remember
19:30
Speaker 1: your first pair of Jimmy Choo's or like a designer
19:34
Speaker 1: shoe or a nice shoe that you bought.
19:36
Speaker 2: Yes, of course I do, because you know, obviously, like
19:39
Speaker 2: we can all speak to how much the price of
19:41
Speaker 2: things have, you know, have increased. But I remember specifically
19:44
Speaker 2: there was a pair of shoes that I really had
19:47
Speaker 2: my eye on, and there was like a shop in
19:50
Speaker 2: New York, and I was visiting, and I went and
19:52
Speaker 2: I put them on hold. I thought about it for
19:55
Speaker 2: a few days, and I went back and I had
19:57
Speaker 2: to like split it on credit cards. You know, this
20:00
Speaker 2: pair like basically buy the right with one credit card
20:03
Speaker 2: and the left with another credit card. And I just
20:06
Speaker 2: remember it's like that feeling of getting the box and
20:10
Speaker 2: opening them up and putting them on it really is transformative.
20:15
Speaker 1: You know, there's some I don't know how to explain it.
20:18
Speaker 1: It's probably you probably know in your profession how to
20:22
Speaker 1: it's ephemeral.
20:23
Speaker 2: I think that there's something that's like, you know, there's
20:26
Speaker 2: I really think for even you know, there's a lot
20:29
Speaker 2: of little girls who it's funny how you notice when
20:32
Speaker 2: they dress up, and you know, I have a daughter
20:35
Speaker 2: like this kind of instinctual kind of tendency to step
20:39
Speaker 2: up on your toes, you know what I mean. Like,
20:41
Speaker 2: I don't know if you ever try things on and
20:43
Speaker 2: you don't have shoes with you and you step on
20:45
Speaker 2: your toes, It's like there's something about, you know, elevating
20:49
Speaker 2: both your like physical self and your spirit that gives
20:54
Speaker 2: way to this other version of yourself. I think that
20:57
Speaker 2: that's what's you know, really empowering and impactful about fashion.
21:01
Speaker 2: It's like, to me, look, at the end of the day,
21:05
Speaker 2: my job is certainly not curing cancer, do you know
21:08
Speaker 2: what I mean? And sometimes I wrestle with that, like
21:10
Speaker 2: I'm like, is this impactful enough? You know what I'm doing?
21:13
Speaker 2: And is this mean anything? And really, you know, I
21:17
Speaker 2: always come back to the sense of like there is
21:21
Speaker 2: something about the escape that comes with beauty and art
21:24
Speaker 2: and fashion that really is transformative.
21:27
Speaker 3: And I think it.
21:27
Speaker 2: Takes people out of the mundane and darkness and whatever
21:33
Speaker 2: your feeling, and it just lifts you momentarily to imagine
21:38
Speaker 2: something else, like imagine your you know, yourself being somebody
21:43
Speaker 2: more courageous, or your life being more glamorous. And I
21:47
Speaker 2: think shoes are almost like that portal, you know what
21:49
Speaker 2: I mean. So you really step into being who you
21:54
Speaker 2: want to be.
21:55
Speaker 1: It's who you are when you step into the shoes. Yes,
21:57
Speaker 1: Jimmy Chou has taken you all over the world. You've
21:59
Speaker 1: had some incredible experiences for people who aren't familiar with
22:05
Speaker 1: what global director of Entertainment Relations means. How do you
22:08
Speaker 1: describe your job?
22:09
Speaker 2: It does sound a little bit like someone who works
22:11
Speaker 2: on a cruise ship.
22:12
Speaker 1: You know, No it doesn't.
22:13
Speaker 2: But okay, so you know, in terms of the brand,
22:17
Speaker 2: I think that for celebrity relations, entertainment relations, it really
22:23
Speaker 2: is like you know, everything.
22:25
Speaker 3: To do with all of the VIP dressing.
22:29
Speaker 2: It's making sure that Jimmy Choo is presented in every
22:32
Speaker 2: important fitting that's happening for every important event.
22:36
Speaker 3: You know.
22:36
Speaker 2: So, like you said, we're coming in after the Met Gala,
22:40
Speaker 2: making sure that everyone who is going to be stepping
22:43
Speaker 2: out onto the red carpet, who is a target, right,
22:46
Speaker 2: you know, ambassador for the brand has the best in
22:50
Speaker 2: the latest to look at for options for their events.
22:55
Speaker 2: It's making sure that we are represented, you know, whether
22:59
Speaker 2: that's in product place base film and television, whether there
23:02
Speaker 2: are festivals that we should be participating in, events that
23:06
Speaker 2: we should be participating in you know, influencers. It really
23:10
Speaker 2: runs the gamut because the landscape of that has changed
23:12
Speaker 2: so much. When I started, there was a handful of
23:16
Speaker 2: events during a month, you know, very there was like
23:20
Speaker 2: ten you know, ten long lead magazines, four weekly publications,
23:26
Speaker 2: and that was really where people started to consume you know,
23:30
Speaker 2: kind of the celebrity culture and celebrity dressing as it
23:33
Speaker 2: would impact how people chose to dress themselves. Flash forward
23:38
Speaker 2: to now, you know, I would argue that people are
23:43
Speaker 2: just as inspired by seeing their favorite personality, their favorite celebrity,
23:47
Speaker 2: their favorite influencer wearing things as they are seeing something
23:50
Speaker 2: worn by a model in a magazine. If not more,
23:53
Speaker 2: I think more.
23:54
Speaker 3: And I think that that really shifted, you know once.
23:57
Speaker 2: I attribute a lot to when you Knowthorne and Hillary
24:00
Speaker 2: started who what were and we started to look at
24:04
Speaker 2: you know, not just okay, what was the gossip surrounding
24:07
Speaker 2: people being out at night, but what were they wearing?
24:10
Speaker 2: You know, and it has really fueled this insatiable appetite
24:14
Speaker 2: for you know, how we consume fashion, especially as retail
24:19
Speaker 2: has changed so much. I don't know how often you're
24:21
Speaker 2: in a store shopping anymore. It's almost like you shop
24:25
Speaker 2: through your feet. You shop through you know, various celebrities
24:28
Speaker 2: at events, you shop through influencers on Instagram, you're shopping
24:32
Speaker 2: through TikTok. So it's really making sure that the brand
24:35
Speaker 2: is very well represented with all of those key tastemakers
24:40
Speaker 2: so that it is able to have that impact.
24:43
Speaker 1: I have a friend whose husband is a club promoter,
24:46
Speaker 1: and that's helpful, it is helpful, but he was like,
24:50
Speaker 1: his job is almost done because he was like, back
24:53
Speaker 1: in the day, people would come to clubs to see
24:55
Speaker 1: what everyone was wearing, and now it's all on your phone.
24:59
Speaker 1: So you're right, everything has shifted. I think I want
25:02
Speaker 1: you to, if you can, to try and put your
25:04
Speaker 1: humility aside for a second and just brag. What is
25:08
Speaker 1: a skill set that you have learned over the years
25:11
Speaker 1: that you feel like would be really hard to replace.
25:15
Speaker 2: One thing that I feel very confident about in the
25:19
Speaker 2: way that I handle things is being able to deal
25:25
Speaker 2: with things head on, difficult situations, difficult conversations, difficult negotiations,
25:30
Speaker 2: and emerge in a real positive fashion. I think treating
25:35
Speaker 2: things with a great sense of humor and also trying
25:39
Speaker 2: to see both sides, you know, in terms of what
25:41
Speaker 2: I'm trying to accomplish and what the other parties trying
25:44
Speaker 2: to accomplish, and finding a middle ground so that we
25:48
Speaker 2: can both emerge feeling happy and like we got what
25:52
Speaker 2: we wanted. I think is a great life and professional skill.
25:58
Speaker 1: You mentioned image makers, Yes, And I'm so fascinated by
26:02
Speaker 1: the way that people in the fashion world think about fashion,
26:06
Speaker 1: because I think everybody else kind of thinks of it
26:08
Speaker 1: as style. And I interviewed Carlo Welch a few weeks ago.
26:13
Speaker 2: I love Carla.
26:14
Speaker 1: I know you guys are friends, and the way she
26:17
Speaker 1: conceptualizes brand and image is so different. How do you
26:22
Speaker 1: think about it?
26:23
Speaker 2: I think what's become incredibly powerful and what's really fun
26:29
Speaker 2: to be a part of is that we have all
26:33
Speaker 2: become our own brands. Right, So, for better or for worse,
26:37
Speaker 2: image is brand. You know what was it?
26:41
Speaker 1: Oh?
26:41
Speaker 3: It was like a J.
26:42
Speaker 2: Shetty thing that I was listening to. And I don't
26:44
Speaker 2: know if he was attributing this quote to himself or
26:47
Speaker 2: someone else, but he said, I'm not who I think
26:50
Speaker 2: I am. I'm not who you think I am. I'm
26:52
Speaker 2: who I think you think I am. And I think
26:55
Speaker 2: that that really speaks to brand and image in so
26:59
Speaker 2: far as you know, as everything has exploded and we
27:04
Speaker 2: have more and more content and we have more and
27:08
Speaker 2: more content creators in every spectrum. In terms of really
27:12
Speaker 2: carving out your own brand and a really powerful image
27:16
Speaker 2: as a calling card, I think fashion is a huge
27:20
Speaker 2: tool that can be used for that. I think it's
27:24
Speaker 2: about creating an image that people are intrigued by and
27:31
Speaker 2: that stands out from you know, not to say that
27:34
Speaker 2: so many people are doing the same thing, but there
27:35
Speaker 2: are a lot of people doing very similar things, you know,
27:39
Speaker 2: And I think creating a brand and creating an image
27:42
Speaker 2: is a very important way to set yourself apart. And
27:46
Speaker 2: I don't know what Carla said, but I think, you know,
27:49
Speaker 2: she could speak to obviously, even with a lot of
27:51
Speaker 2: the talent that she dresses in terms of acting, I
27:55
Speaker 2: would imagine that their stock goes up quite a bit
27:59
Speaker 2: based on are they considered, you know, a fashion icon.
28:02
Speaker 2: Are they considered to be at the you know, at
28:05
Speaker 2: the front of that conversation when it comes to who
28:09
Speaker 2: people want to dress, who people want to work with,
28:11
Speaker 2: And there's a desirability factor that she gets to play
28:14
Speaker 2: a huge role in.
28:16
Speaker 1: I think it extends beyond entertainment though, and that to
28:21
Speaker 1: me is something that Jimmy Chou does so well. Is
28:24
Speaker 1: it gives everyone access to that feeling that look, whatever
28:31
Speaker 1: it is that you're desiring. And I think if you're
28:34
Speaker 1: an accountant or an attorney, whatever it is, like it's
28:37
Speaker 1: still important to have your own brand.
28:38
Speaker 3: Nowadays it is.
28:40
Speaker 1: People think of, you know, like, are you the person
28:42
Speaker 1: that always wears suits? Are you the one I always
28:44
Speaker 1: wear a red lip for pretty smart? Like what is
28:47
Speaker 1: your thing?
28:47
Speaker 2: And I do?
28:48
Speaker 3: I love that you do that, And that's interesting.
28:50
Speaker 2: I was talking about a friend who was coming back
28:53
Speaker 2: from some time living in London today and one thing
28:57
Speaker 2: he said that he was enjoying there was that everyone
29:00
Speaker 2: and there's a lot less image focused, you know, and
29:04
Speaker 2: I think it there, listen, it's.
29:05
Speaker 3: Double edged sword.
29:07
Speaker 2: I have a ten year old daughter, so I really
29:09
Speaker 2: try to be focused on obviously, you know, so much
29:14
Speaker 2: kind of beyond just our image that we project, because
29:17
Speaker 2: we can all get a little bit too wrapped up
29:19
Speaker 2: into it. We live in a time, especially with social media,
29:23
Speaker 2: where everyone is so so consumed by you know, again,
29:29
Speaker 2: like that Jay Shetty quote, how we think other people
29:32
Speaker 2: perceive us?
29:33
Speaker 3: Right?
29:34
Speaker 2: And I think we could also benefit from putting in
29:38
Speaker 2: the work on things that don't necessarily impact how we
29:45
Speaker 2: look on the outside. You know what I mean.
29:47
Speaker 1: I mean you're speaking to the ethos of the podcast, right,
29:50
Speaker 1: like pretty bold, pretty really pretty. So so I totally
29:52
Speaker 1: hear you. I guess I moved here and I didn't
29:55
Speaker 1: realize that I could reflect how I felt on the
30:00
Speaker 1: side on the outside, I think.
30:03
Speaker 2: So. I think that that's a very powerful tool, for sure.
30:06
Speaker 2: I think you know, you saying that you wear a
30:08
Speaker 2: red lips, so maybe that's something that makes you feel
30:12
Speaker 2: particularly confident, you know. And like we were talking about
30:15
Speaker 2: with fashion acting as an armor or with shoes almost
30:19
Speaker 2: like providing a portal to the person that we want
30:23
Speaker 2: to embody or our own sasha fears, you know, or
30:25
Speaker 2: it's like you're in sweats at home, and you know,
30:28
Speaker 2: you step into the shoes and suddenly you do feel elevated.
30:32
Speaker 2: I think that that is a really powerful tool to
30:35
Speaker 2: dress according to.
30:38
Speaker 3: How you perceive yourself and.
30:41
Speaker 2: Who you want to be. Sometimes, you know, even in
30:44
Speaker 2: the kind of fake it till you make it ethos.
30:47
Speaker 1: Did having a daughter change the way you looked at
30:51
Speaker 1: the world, of course?
30:53
Speaker 2: And I think it also changes the way that I
30:56
Speaker 2: look and speak to myself because I'm on notice, She's
31:01
Speaker 2: going to be exposed to a million things that I
31:03
Speaker 2: wasn't exposed to at her age. You know, she already
31:05
Speaker 2: has like a little beauty fridge and she's very into
31:08
Speaker 2: doing her skin care, which, like, you know, I didn't
31:11
Speaker 2: really know about those things at that time, but it's
31:14
Speaker 2: really important, I think, in how we speak to ourselves.
31:17
Speaker 2: And it took me having a daughter who really listens
31:22
Speaker 2: and absorbs everything that I say. And you know, it's
31:25
Speaker 2: one of those things where people say, like, you know,
31:28
Speaker 2: kids don't do what they say, they do what you do.
31:31
Speaker 2: If I look at myself and I think, oh, I
31:33
Speaker 2: hate the way my legs look today, or I hate
31:35
Speaker 2: the way my hair is falling, if I say those
31:37
Speaker 2: things out loud, I think it puts something in her
31:41
Speaker 2: mind that you know, we can be unkind to ourselves,
31:46
Speaker 2: or that you know, our worth is really wrapped up
31:49
Speaker 2: in the way that we look on the outside. Yeah,
31:51
Speaker 2: and I'm not perfect at this by any stretch, but
31:53
Speaker 2: I really do try to catch myself if I'm going
31:55
Speaker 2: like not I got a real muffin top in this,
31:58
Speaker 2: you know, or whatever, because I don't want her to
32:00
Speaker 2: look at her body and have those same sensations, you know.
32:06
Speaker 2: And so it really like, yeah, it did change certain
32:10
Speaker 2: things for me.
32:11
Speaker 1: It sounds like it healed something in you in one
32:13
Speaker 1: some way.
32:14
Speaker 2: I think it just makes me appreciate, like it appreciates
32:19
Speaker 2: me when I see certain things of myself and her,
32:21
Speaker 2: you know, when I think, like I love the way
32:24
Speaker 2: her hair falls like this and it's similar to my hair,
32:26
Speaker 2: or you know, she has big brown eyes and things
32:30
Speaker 2: where I do maybe have a little bit more affection
32:35
Speaker 2: for those things about myself.
32:36
Speaker 1: Now, Yes, So you are a founding member of I
32:39
Speaker 1: Am a Voter, Yes, which is a nonpartisan organization dedicated
32:42
Speaker 1: to creating a cultural shift around voting in civic engagement.
32:47
Speaker 1: I remember when this launched, and I was so excited
32:50
Speaker 1: because there had been nothing since Rock the Vote that
32:54
Speaker 1: had garnered people's attention the way this did. Why did
32:57
Speaker 1: you jump on this opportunity?
33:00
Speaker 2: Well, I think, first of all, you know Mondana Diani,
33:03
Speaker 2: who I don't know if you've spoken with or not.
33:05
Speaker 2: She's such a powerhouse, and she reached out to a
33:09
Speaker 2: group of us who she felt were a good, strong
33:15
Speaker 2: group of women who you know, whether they were marketing
33:19
Speaker 2: films or fashion or television, you know, throughout the entertainment space,
33:24
Speaker 2: who could really use those skills to have impact on,
33:30
Speaker 2: you know, on increasing civic engagement. And I think the
33:35
Speaker 2: important thing with it being nonpartisan was that it was
33:40
Speaker 2: about trying to shift the narrative around apathy. And I
33:46
Speaker 2: think what sometimes happened, I think when people start to
33:49
Speaker 2: feel deflated and they feel that they can't make impact,
33:53
Speaker 2: and so what was so exciting about this was just
33:56
Speaker 2: about saying, listen, We're not going to tell you what
33:58
Speaker 2: to do when you get there, but you have to
34:01
Speaker 2: understand that to be a part of a working democracy,
34:05
Speaker 2: like we need everyone's participation, and I think it can
34:10
Speaker 2: feel disheartening, it can feel like you can't make an impact.
34:14
Speaker 3: And I think one.
34:16
Speaker 2: Thing that I have felt without doubt through our work
34:20
Speaker 2: with I Am a Voter is that we have the analytics,
34:23
Speaker 2: we have the data to see, you know, the lift
34:27
Speaker 2: of people getting involved and what that changes. And I
34:31
Speaker 2: think it's been such a fun part of you know,
34:36
Speaker 2: something that I've been able to do in the last
34:38
Speaker 2: couple of years working with women who I am totally
34:40
Speaker 2: inspired by, who all really like kill it in their
34:44
Speaker 2: respective fields who are putting their attention at trying to
34:50
Speaker 2: make a difference, you know, in something that whether you
34:54
Speaker 2: know the issues that I feel passionate about are the
34:56
Speaker 2: same as yours or not, we can each agree that
35:00
Speaker 2: without participation and without you know, passionate involvement, we can't
35:06
Speaker 2: make a difference. And so that's been really fun and
35:09
Speaker 2: really rewarding to be a part of.
35:11
Speaker 1: Do you feel like brands have to take a stand nowadays?
35:16
Speaker 2: I think brands need to do what feels authentic to them,
35:21
Speaker 2: you know, absolutely. I think everyone who has a platform
35:25
Speaker 2: has an opportunity to take a stand.
35:28
Speaker 3: I think it's about.
35:29
Speaker 2: Making sure that you're doing it in a way that
35:32
Speaker 2: doesn't feel performative and that feels like it can actually
35:35
Speaker 2: be impactful and authentic to what your brand stands for.
35:40
Speaker 2: I think that there is times in the year where
35:42
Speaker 2: a lot of different brands say things and it can
35:45
Speaker 2: feel a little bit like a marketing ploy. Yeah, and
35:47
Speaker 2: I think it's for each brand to hone in on
35:51
Speaker 2: what their particular values are and where they can use
35:55
Speaker 2: that to perhaps give an uplift to a cause that
35:59
Speaker 2: they feel really passionate about.
36:01
Speaker 1: So you got a lot of celebrity support for the organization.
36:05
Speaker 1: Sophia Bush, who I really like, said of anything I've
36:08
Speaker 1: ever done in my life that I could possibly be
36:10
Speaker 1: proud of, this matters most to me, which I thought
36:13
Speaker 1: was a big statement because she's involved in a lot
36:15
Speaker 1: of organizations.
36:16
Speaker 3: She is.
36:18
Speaker 1: What are some of the people that you've leaned into
36:21
Speaker 1: to spread the word?
36:23
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that we've leaned into so many people,
36:25
Speaker 2: and we've had so much impact, and it's interesting to see,
36:30
Speaker 2: you know, again, we want to there's unfortunately just as
36:34
Speaker 2: much apathy, you know, for people who are further along
36:40
Speaker 2: in their lives, as there is for you know, some
36:43
Speaker 2: people who are just being able to legally vote. So
36:48
Speaker 2: I think in terms of celebrity impact, it really is
36:52
Speaker 2: important to look at who you're reaching, you know. So
36:55
Speaker 2: it's like, the person who might appeal to someone who
36:58
Speaker 2: is turning eighteen is not the same person who might
37:02
Speaker 2: appeal to someone who's like, well into their fifties and
37:05
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, has given up on it or doesn't
37:08
Speaker 2: feel inspired to participate. So the long answer of that,
37:14
Speaker 2: you know, or the short answer of that, really is,
37:16
Speaker 2: I think it's specific, But there have been so many
37:18
Speaker 2: incredible celebrities who have supported, who have supported what we're
37:23
Speaker 2: doing with I Am a Voter.
37:24
Speaker 1: You dress first Lady doctor Jill Biden, and Vice President
37:28
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris, and then Jennifer Lopez and Katy Perry for
37:31
Speaker 1: the inauguration. That was huge.
37:33
Speaker 2: That's where I really felt like a world's colliding moment,
37:36
Speaker 2: you know, with what I do professionally, with Jimmy Chew
37:38
Speaker 2: and then obviously all of our participation with I Am
37:41
Speaker 2: a Voter. That for me personally and my political views
37:46
Speaker 2: was a big exciting day.
37:48
Speaker 1: You know, tell me about that moment.
37:51
Speaker 3: It was.
37:51
Speaker 2: I mean, first of all, you know, being able to
37:53
Speaker 2: work with the first lady getting swatches of the outfits
37:58
Speaker 2: that she was going to be wearing, you know, Kamala Harris.
38:02
Speaker 2: Same thing to feel like, even on that small level,
38:06
Speaker 2: on the day that those women literally stepped into those
38:10
Speaker 2: positions in front of the world watching. To have them
38:16
Speaker 2: step into a brand that I have felt passionate about
38:20
Speaker 2: and inspired by for so long felt like a tremendous
38:25
Speaker 2: kind of kismet moment of all everything kind of coming
38:30
Speaker 2: together and working, you know, in collective purpose. It felt
38:34
Speaker 2: really beautiful. So not only were those women who you know,
38:37
Speaker 2: were stepping into those political positions wearing the brand. But
38:40
Speaker 2: then Jennifer Lopez, who obviously like I'm a j Low
38:44
Speaker 2: girl forever, you know, and Katie Perry when she was singing,
38:48
Speaker 2: I think she's saying.
38:49
Speaker 3: Firework that I with all the fireworks, and it was.
38:52
Speaker 2: Just like an overwhelmingly for me again, powerful beautiful moment
38:58
Speaker 2: to watch, and having them all where Jimmy Chow was
39:01
Speaker 2: incredibly symbolic.
39:03
Speaker 1: I think it says so much that at that moment
39:05
Speaker 1: all four of them were wearing Jimmy choo.
39:09
Speaker 2: It really, Yes, it was a beautiful, beautiful moment.
39:13
Speaker 1: So your podcast is called having it All in Other Lives.
39:16
Speaker 3: Yes, I love.
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Speaker 1: The title so much.
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Speaker 2: Thank you.
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Speaker 1: Do you think having it All is a lie?
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Speaker 2: I don't think having it All is a lie. I
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Speaker 2: think what I wanted to accomplish with the podcast was
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Speaker 2: redefining what having it all looks like. And I think
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Speaker 2: that that's very subjective and very individual. And I think
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Speaker 2: when we look outwards to what it means to have
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Speaker 2: it all, we can we can leave feeling like we
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Speaker 2: came up short, you know. And I think it was
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Speaker 2: really about talking to women who ostensibly look from the
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Speaker 2: outside like they have it all, and talking to them
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Speaker 2: about ways in which you know they too share that
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Speaker 2: feeling of feeling like they come up short or you know,
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Speaker 2: they're killing it in one area, but they're really getting
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Speaker 2: killed someplace else, and to hopefully step away for every
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Speaker 2: woman to feel that she could be a little bit
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Speaker 2: kinder to ourself, that we need to get our expectations
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Speaker 2: in check, you know, and that everything ebbs and flows.
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Speaker 2: You know that there's times where your career is really
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Speaker 2: taking the front seat, and your relationships or your family
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Speaker 2: or you know, your health may not be flourishing in
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Speaker 2: the way that you want. But it's not necessarily possible
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Speaker 2: for every kind of element of your life to feel
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Speaker 2: like it is in total flow all of the time.
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Speaker 2: And I think that my goal again was to showcase
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Speaker 2: women who might sit in those seats of you know,
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Speaker 2: aspiration for a lot of other people and have them
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Speaker 2: destigmatize and demystify the idea.
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Speaker 4: Of pulling that veil down, Yeah, of really being honest,
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Speaker 4: like allowing you in behind the scenes and telling you
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Speaker 4: no one has it all figured out.
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Speaker 3: You know, we're all doing our best.
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Speaker 2: And here are some like tips and tools of what
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Speaker 2: I you know, do try to do, but really to
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Speaker 2: redefine you know well and reframe in it.
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Speaker 1: You say you want to redefine success and happiness and
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Speaker 1: what that feels like and looks like? Do we put
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Speaker 1: too much stock in happy? I've just been thinking maybe
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Speaker 1: there's a better focus.
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Speaker 2: Right, what would that be? Contentment?
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Speaker 1: I think maybe it's different, Like for me, it feels
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Speaker 1: like purpose, But I think that word can change.
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Speaker 2: I think, you know, it depends on where you fall
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Speaker 2: with this, right, There's some people who think, you know,
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Speaker 2: no matter what the circumstances are, I choose to focus
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Speaker 2: on the happy. One way that I might frame that
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Speaker 2: differently is to focus on presence and gratitude. Right, So
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Speaker 2: I'm not always going to be happy, like period the end.
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Speaker 2: It's just not possible. And I think that that's important
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Speaker 2: to realize in every aspect of your life, and it's
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Speaker 2: important as a parent also to inform your kids. It's like, well,
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Speaker 2: this isn't making me happy. It's like, well, a lot
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Speaker 2: of things are not going to make you happy, you know.
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Speaker 2: But I think that again, there is a lot of
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Speaker 2: inner focus that's happening with that versus I like, what
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Speaker 2: you're saying about purpose, which is reframing it because I
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Speaker 2: have never found that when I am being purposeful in
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Speaker 2: my intent that I don't feel some sort of inner
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Speaker 2: sense of satisfaction, an inner sense of gratitude, you know,
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Speaker 2: and like dare I say, an increased happiness right from
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Speaker 2: doing that? You know?
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Speaker 1: Okay, we have some rapid fire. Tell me what is
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Speaker 1: the difference between fashion and style.
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Speaker 2: I think fashion is evolving.
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Speaker 1: Style is forever, a style philosophy that you live by.
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Speaker 2: More is more.
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Speaker 1: If you could only wear one pair of heels for
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Speaker 1: the rest of your life, which pair are you picking?
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Speaker 2: Classic Jimmy Choo, romy pump like a black pump.
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Speaker 1: Yes, Jimmy my girl, yes falls oops, oh yes.
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Speaker 2: A thousand percent.
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Speaker 3: She will never let you down.
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Speaker 1: I've had her for years.
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Speaker 3: She will my most comfortable let you down.
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Speaker 1: Okay. The best style investment piece that isn't a Jimmy Choo.
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Speaker 2: Confidence, that's great.
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Speaker 1: A celeb's closet that you'd like to raid.
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Speaker 2: Rosie Huntington Whiteley.
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Speaker 1: That's an interesting choice. You kind of look like her.
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Speaker 2: Oh my, I mean, Daniel, I'm already here. You don't
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Speaker 2: need to, but you do.
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Speaker 3: That's that's very kind.
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Speaker 1: A piece of relationship advice that you picked up along
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Speaker 1: the way.
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Speaker 2: Relationship advice, you know, Oh, would you rather be right
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Speaker 2: or would you rather be happy?
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Speaker 1: A book that changed your life, something that you think
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Speaker 1: everybody should read.
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Speaker 2: The Prophet by Khalil Gribraun.
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Speaker 1: You stumped me.
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Speaker 2: I love that book.
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Speaker 1: I have to get it. Okay, if you can grab
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Speaker 1: the pretty smart card deck. There's fifty two questions in there,
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Speaker 1: so whichever one you feel drawn to is yours.
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Speaker 2: Okay, this is like taro. Yeah, which temptation do you
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Speaker 2: try the hardest to resist? I would say perfectionism. That's
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Speaker 2: a good one, you know. I try to resist the
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Speaker 2: lens of wanting everything to be the way I want
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Speaker 2: it to be. And one of my goals is really
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Speaker 2: to accept the way things are and try to make
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Speaker 2: the best situation and outcome from that.
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Speaker 1: What is the smartest decision you've ever made?
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Speaker 2: Having kids?
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Speaker 1: Really sure? You weren't sure you wanted them?
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Speaker 2: No, I really wasn't. I was not sure that I
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Speaker 2: wanted them, and I'm so happy that I did.
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Speaker 1: I want to thank the people that make the show possible.
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Speaker 1: Colleen O'Neill, Jill Salama, Karrie O'Keefe and Phil speed Tech. Okay,
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Speaker 1: you know what time it is. Today's a good day
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Speaker 1: to have a good day. I'll see you next week.