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Tim Moore: Keeping An Eternal Perspective In A Cultural Storm · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  Let's go to Tim Moore.
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  I was just looking at Lamplighter.
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  Lamb and Lion Ministries, Tim, good to see you brother.
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  Thank you so much for your time.
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  Well David, thank you for having me today.
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  It's a great joy to connect via modern technology and talk about all things related to a Biblical
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  worldview and some of the things going on in our world today.
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  It sure is.
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  And I love what you guys do at Lamb and Lion and Christ in prophecy.
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  I love your programs.
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  I love your content.
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  We are going to talk about the Lamplighter magazine that you guys put out and about
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  we're talking about the church age in a little bit.
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  But first we've got, I'm excited to talk about your devotional and journal.
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  It's a combination from what I understand.
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  It's called High Flight on Eagles Wings.
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  There it is.
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  And it's from Lamb and Lion Ministries, the website ChristInProphesy.org or LambLionResources.com.
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  It's right there.
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  Tell us about that because I like the idea of a devotional, but you know, there are thousands
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  of devotionals.
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  But this is a journal as well.
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  Tim tells how this works.
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  Well, basically over the years since I have become director of Lamb and Lion Ministries
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  every week, I put out what I have called a more musing.
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  Just some thoughts that kind of keep our staff and I share it with our board and sometimes
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  a handful of others get a copy of that.
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  But to kind of focus on what's going on in the world relative to our ministry and how
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  we can be impactful and little known to me, my creative design leader was collecting all
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  of those musings and eventually came and said, I'd like to put this together in the form
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  of a devotional because I think they would have great poignancy.
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  And so I said, all right, we expanded some of them because sometimes they were fairly
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  short.
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  Other times they were a little bit longer.
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  So for the right size, I came back through with her and edited them to share some personal
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  stories, but really always applying scripture to situations that I've encountered.
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  Some of them are common to many people and to try to give an encouragement.
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  And of course, we take from the passage in Isaiah that those who trust in the Lord will
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  lift up as with Eagles wings.
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  In other words, the sore high and as a former Air Force pilot and someone who has spent
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  a lot of time at 35,000 feet, I know what it's like to be able to see the world from a
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  whole different perspective.
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  And essentially as I describe in the book, you kind of get a God's eye view as we refer
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  to it in aviation because you're looking down and not really bound by some of the day
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  to day plotting along in this life when you can kind of get up and change your perspective.
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  So that was my goal and these devotions are an effort to encourage people and to really
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  lift their eyes as they rise up on Eagles wings.
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  I love how you describe that too on the website.
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  There's believers to rise above the challenges of life through renewed faith and steadfast
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  hope in Christ.
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  And it also says that you can use, you can reflect, you can use it as a source of encouragement,
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  you can journal.
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  That's a unique aspect to this Tim.
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  I believe a lot of devotional don't have that space for writing thoughts based on what
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  they just read or a scripture they just read.
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  So share a little bit more about that.
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  Well again, I give credit to Janet Alvary who is our graphic designer and she said, I
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  think it would be nice to be able to write.
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  And as you said, journal some of your thoughts.
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  So we have a prayer tracker.
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  Each of my different devotions is shared.
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  We don't even refer to them as musings in the book other than the introduction, but something
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  related to again, an experience that I had or something that I think is pithy from
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  scripture to be relevant to our day and age and then we talk about faith in flight, which
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  is kind of pulling back in a crystallized context of what that devotional is all about.
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  We have something that's very unique, I think, called Intel Drop and our silhouette just
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  within the title of that very brief paragraph is a C-130 because for many years I was a C-130
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  pilot and dropped things out the back end people and supplies.
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  And so we're dropping little nuggets of facts and information from scripture or just from
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  other things that kind of enhance.
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  And then in the middle again, a prayer tracker because we provide a prayer that is suggested.
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  But obviously, I think from our own heart, we pray best sometimes using scripture to
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  pray back to the Lord, but to share what is our heart concern, the overflow of our heart,
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  not only our mouth speaks, but in our prayers, our soul connects with the Lord through the
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  Holy Spirit.
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  And so, rather than just using our recommended prayer, we encourage people to record their
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  own prayer, their own response or reflection on the devotional.
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  And I think over time, as they review those, they will find that the Lord really did bring
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  them to higher or newer heights as on equals wings.
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  That's awesome.
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  And this also confirms that you work with some really good people there at Lamb and Lion.
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  Yeah, well, I certainly do.
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  Yes, sir.
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  And very talented.
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  I always have encouraged you, your gifts and talents as the Lord directs.
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  And we've had a whole lot of innovation and just new creative ideas.
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  And this is one of them.
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  That's awesome.
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  So Tim, is this available now or is it pre-order or when does it, when is it released or was
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  it released?
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  No, it is available now.
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  We've actually not done a major promotion yet.
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  So I appreciate you mentioning it.
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  It has been released, but we will be doing a television program ourselves on our Christ
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  in Prophecy Television show coming up in the next several weeks and really realizing that
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  probably as gifts for young people graduating.
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  I think it gives some perspective.
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  Oftentimes you think, where do I give a young person that I can pass along?
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  Or for Father's Day, Mother's Day coming up, but we realize that this spring, we are in
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  need.
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  And I think many in the church of the encouragement and keeping our eyes focused on our blessed
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  hope.
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  And it's not hope in hope, as I like to say, it's not an Oprah Winfrey kind of hope.
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  Our hope is in the sureness of Christ in his return and in our upward call home, one
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  of these days soon and very soon.
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  So I was intrigued by your February edition of Lamplighter, Lamlin Publication.
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  And the reason is the church age, God's strategic pause.
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  I thought that was an interesting wording to put on the bottom of God's strategic pause.
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  So Tim, let's first just walk through this and break down what is the church age?
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  Because we have a lot of newer viewers and listeners and some maybe younger Christians.
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  I mean, praise God.
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  But when they hear things like the church age, they don't, they're not sure if, are we
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  talking n times, are we talking book of revelation?
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  Are we talking what we're living in now today?
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  Could you walk us through that and start there, please?
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  Well, I guess they answered.
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  Are those three questions?
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  Well, yes.
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  In a sense, we're talking all those things, what we're living in now, something pointing
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  to revelation and the end times.
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  So the reason we use the phrase God's strategic pause is if you look at history as a flow
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  of a narrative, God's story, his story is human history.
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  And yet so much of what scripture focuses on is God's interaction with Israel and how
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  he demonstrates his faithfulness, his providence, and his provision to this chosen people in
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  spite of themselves.
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  And I've heard people say, and not to go down the rabbit trail too far yet, but I've
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  heard people say, well, why does God still hold out any kind of promise to the Jews?
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  They haven't behaved in a way always that would deserve it.
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  And my answer is you're right.
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  Neither of I.
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  I don't deserve God's grace.
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  That's the good news of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
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  He is faithful to those who trust in him, and he's always faithful to his promises.
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  Every promise, all of his prophetic promises.
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  And so he's given promises to mew and me, David, as followers of Christ, but he's given
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  promises to the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
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  So in that arc of narrative, the church in a perspective is a pause in God's plan that
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  is still unfolding for the Jewish people and how he will be glorified through them yet
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  again.
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  He's being so today, but we have the great blessing of being grafted into this family that
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  God chose and called his own.
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  And so yes, it's a 2,000 year pause.
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  And we live in the immediacy of the moment so much that sometimes it's hard to understand
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  well, there was a before and there will be an after.
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  But here again, if you go on Eagle's wings to a higher perspective, you begin to understand
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  that, okay, I can see the past of present.
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  I liken it to this.
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  If I'm driving down the highway, I cannot see what's around the next curb.
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  There's a huge traffic jam that I'm about to encounter 5 or 10 minutes from now.
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  I can't see what happened 30 miles back because again, that's in the rear view mirror.
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  It's already gone past.
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  And if you go to 30,000 feet, I'd brother, I can look down on Green Bay, Wisconsin and
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  Chicago, simultaneous.
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  And if I had good enough vision from that altitude, I could see every traffic scenario that
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  the drivers themselves would not realize because they're living just in that small window
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  of space and time.
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  Well, God's perspective is so far above ours.
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  He sees the beginning from the end.
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  And he knows what his plans are for you and for me and for Israel.
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  And so the church, as Paul describes in the book of Romans, was his endeavor to share the
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  gospel with the entire world.
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  It's made up of Christians and Jews, Jews first, and then the Gentile.
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  I say Christian Jews.
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  It's made up of Gentiles and Jews, but Jews first.
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  And yet there is still a plan in provision for the House of Israel using the Zecule 36
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  term there.
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  And so, yes, we have the great joy of being in the body of Christ, the church, but there's
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  more coming because God will fulfill every promise He's made to the Jewish people just
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  as He is to you and to me.
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  Yeah, I think we need to get back to that.
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  The God will fulfill every promise He made, not only to the church, but to the Jewish people,
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  because there's a lot of confusion and maybe you might want to say delusion to today.
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  Even in the church, Tim, and you're very aware of that, what's happening in the church,
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  not just people that are biblically illiterate, but in the church in America, there's some
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  confusion over whether we should support Israel and God's people, God's chosen people.
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  What are these promises?
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  And there's a lot of confusion.
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  Maybe about Romans 9 to 11, which is a very important passage of Scripture to really walk
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  through and study.
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  Do you want to comment on that before we go on?
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  Yeah, I think you're spot on.
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  There is much confusion, much delusion, and I'll even call it scripturally, much deception.
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  Saking is a great propagandist, and so he uses all sorts of different tools to lead if possible
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  even the elect astray.
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  And when it comes to an attitude toward Israel, there has been a great deception.
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  Now, even as I use the term Israel, just unpacked very briefly, am I talking about the land?
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  Am I talking about the nation that writ large has been in existence since the days of Abraham?
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  Am I talking about the modern nation state that calls itself Israel?
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  Or am I talking about the people group?
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  And the answer is yes, it's all those things.
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  And so we can become confused.
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  Do we have to agree with everything the nation state of Israel does?
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  The answer is no, goodness, I don't agree with everything our government does.
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  And yet I'm an American and consider myself blessed to have been born in this land.
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  But I still am commanded in scripture to bless the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
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  This people group.
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  And again, back to Ezekiel 36, the house of Israel.
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  And I'm not part of that house, as far as a genetic descendant, I have been grafted in,
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  as Paul says in Romans 9 through 11.
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  And there's great blessing in that, but I'm still called to bless Israel.
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  And so a lot of Christians are confused because they have been deceived.
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  And Satan is essentially asking in our modern era, did God really say to bless the people
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  of Israel?
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  And as soon as he plants that seed of doubt, then he comes back and said, God, God lied.
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  He did not mean those promises.
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  They are null and void.
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  And if we begin to believe that, then we've eroded the veracity of God and we have diminished
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  his faithfulness.
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  And that's exactly what Ezekiel says.
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  God is not going to be faithful to his promises to Israel because they deserve it.
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  No, he's going to be faithful because that's who he is.
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  And he cannot violate his own character.
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  And that gives me great assurance as a Gentile follower of Christ because it lets me know
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  that he will not violate any promise given to me.
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  And so to me, it all goes hand in glove with trusting God and what he has revealed about
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  himself and about his plan for the ages.
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  Yeah, if you use that terminology, we don't deserve the promises that God has for us individually.
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  So we're going to get back to the church age in a minute, but I think we're on a very
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  important topic because I think some of our viewers and listeners need to understand
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  maybe they've been brought up in Scripture, maybe they've been to good Bible sites, maybe
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  they have a good pastor at their church and they don't understand how people are falling
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  for this delusion.
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  And Tim, did it and you would think since October 7, 2023, there would be a little bit more,
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  I don't know, I don't want to say sympathy, but support for these people that were demonically
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  attacked and yet it seems like the pendulum has swung the other way even in the church
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  where there's people that aren't supporting them and thinking they are occupying a land
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  that's not theirs.
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  And so, oh my goodness, there's so much to unpack, isn't there?
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  There really is and you think, how can people be so deluded, especially those who love
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  the Lord?
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  And I'd trust that if a person is a genuine Christ follower, they love the Lord, but
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  that does not mean that we are not susceptible at times to deception.
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  I use a famous incident from Scripture itself in Matthew chapter 16, Peter is the first
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  of the disciples to confess Christ.
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  He says, you are the Christ, the son of the living God.
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  And Jesus says, well, good on you, Peter, but really, even the credit for your recognition
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  is to God the Father.
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  He has revealed this to you.
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  And you have to think that Peter felt pretty good about, you know, getting a gold star
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  or a smiley face on his report card that day, but just a few verses later, Peter becomes
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  a mouthpiece of Satan when Christ having revealed what the plan of the Father is that
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  he should die.
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  Peter pulls him aside and rebukes him and says, no, Lord, this will not happen to you.
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  And Jesus' response is telling, get the behind me, Satan, even this man who was so impulsive
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  and confess Jesus as the Christ, a handful of verses later, is being a conduit of satanic
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  misleading or deception.
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  And I think in that moment, Jesus heard the same lie that was perpetrated in the garden.
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  You will not die was a direct reputation of what Christ had revealed as being the will
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  and the promise of the Father.
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  And so if we're not careful, we too can be deceived.
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  You know, back in my past, David, I was a training interrogator for the Air Force, right?
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  Training young airmen, typically officers in general, but airmen who might become POWs,
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  how to avoid propaganda and how to avoid being interrogated and revealing certain secrets.
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  But we use different ploys to try to deceive them.
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  And I just witness what is happening in our world today.
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  And I realize that the propaganda is rampant.
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  And if we're not guarding our hearts, we as Christians can believe the propaganda and
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  become unwitting.
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  And I'll emphasize that unwitting mouthpieces of what Satan would like to perpetrate
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  as a real satanic deception.
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  Yes.
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  I think that you're right on unwitting mouthpieces exactly what some people have become.
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  And so I'm looking at the demonic aspect, the spiritual warfare behind this, because
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  the devil hates Israel, the devil hates the Jews, the devil hates Christians.
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  So there's this, the spiritual warfare.
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  So that angle underneath underlying what all is going down, but also now come back to
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  the church in America.
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  And we've got the biblical illiteracy in the church.
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  And so that's almost like a double-edged sword that's not just not going to end well.
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  So we really have to be better students of the Bible.
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  We need to know Bible prophecy.
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  We need to know how to explain why you mentioned the land, the nation, and the people of Israel,
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  how we can as Bible believe in Christians support all three.
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  And then almost every guest when we bring up this topic makes the distinction.
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  I do not support everything the government does, just like our own government.
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  And I agree with that.
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  I think some people want to put us all, meaning Protestants or Evangelical Christians in
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  one basket and say, we support Israel no matter what they do.
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  No, it's not a blind support.
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  It is a biblical support.
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  If through the biblical worldview, through the Old Testament and the promises, the everlasting
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  covenant, and we do support the people.
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  But let's talk about the land, Tim, because I think that's where a lot of the propaganda
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  gets out there.
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  It's stolen land.
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  It wasn't their land.
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  And then I don't know how they think what happened in 1948, you know.
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  But some people think, well, it wasn't their land.
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  So can you walk us through a little bit of that, please?
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  I sure can.
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  And let's face it, David, the program title of your program, you know, a biblical worldview.
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  They used to have a commercial, let's say, what's in your wallet talking about a credit card?
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  My question for anybody is, what's in your worldview or what is it based on?
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  Is it based on what the world has told you to believe or is it based on the word of God?
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  I've decided, and again, this is an act of the will that I will choose to trust God
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  and reject everything else that is contrary to his revealed word, because he has proven
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  himself trustworthy to me and throughout history.
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  So all the way back in Genesis chapter 12, something that, infamously, when Tucker Carlson
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  was interviewing Senator Ted Cruz, he couldn't cite the chapter in verse 12, as Genesis
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  chapter 12, verse 1 through 3, where God promises to bless Abraham and later his descendants.
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  And for those who would bless him and his descendants, they would receive a blessing.
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  Those who would curse him would receive a curse.
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  And then he promised him a land.
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  He titled it over to Abraham without even expecting anything of Abraham.
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  As a matter of fact, this covenant was established while Abraham was asleep.
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  The same covenant was reiterated to Abraham, son Isaac, and to his grandson Jacob later called
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  Israel, the Lord gave him that name.
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  And so that is a covenant that's never been broken.
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  Now has Israel always had full possession of the land?
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  No.
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  Like the analogy is used, if I said to my son, here's a car, it's titled in your name,
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  but you can only drive it if you obey the rules in my house.
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  There might be a time when he does on foot again without the blessing of the car, but it's
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  still his.
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  It's titled over to him.
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  And so that has happened in history, and the Jewish people have streamed home.
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  I've cited Ezekiel 36, I had a young pastor one time who said to him, I just think that
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  God promises the Jews are null and void.
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  And he was a replacement theologian very clearly.
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  And I said, well, let's read Ezekiel 36 where the Lord promises to the mountains of Israel.
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  This is a promise made to inan of objects, to geography.
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  And he says, you will once again be inhabited after you have been desolated.
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  And my sons and daughters will come home to you because they will feel a pull and a urine
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  in their heart.
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  And I read through the rest of that chapter, which uses the phrase, the house of Israel.
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  And I asked this young pastor, obviously a Gentile, do you feel impelled to go and live
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  on the mountains of Israel?
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  And he said, no, I said, that's because you're a Gentile.
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  But God has placed it deep in the heart of the Jews.
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  Every year at the end of their Passover Seder, they say, next year in Jerusalem.
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  So even as they were living very comfortably in places like Germany and Poland a hundred
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  years ago, the Lord was already working out.
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  His plan to motivate the Jews to go home.
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  I dare say even some of the horrific things we're witnessing in our own country in the highest
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  concentration of Jews outside of Israel.
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  Let's use the example New York City, the Lord may be orchestrating a motivation for even
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  those Jews to go home to Israel.
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  God's plans and his ways are far higher than our own, but David, we have the blessing of living
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  in such a time as this, to see with greater and greater hindsight what God has done, what
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  he is doing and to be confident that his prophesied promises will be fulfilled in their
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  entirety.
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  Amen, brother.
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  Amen.
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  One more scripture.
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  I want to point to running out of time.
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  It went by so fast with you, Tim.
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  Back to the lampladder magazine on page 11, I believe.
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  And it's a second Peter 119 is quoted, you've got to read that in context, friends, 119
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  through 21.
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  But I want to quote this because a lot of people, I mean, if back then during the Apostle
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  Paul's day, they were saying, soon, you know, it says, well, we may see other prophesied
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  events take place if Jesus carries the next major event on the timeline of end times
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  events is the rapture itself.
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  That glorious gathering of all the church age saints is something that the Apostles anticipated
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  even in their day, because they knew that Jesus return would be imminent and could be
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  soon from an eternal perspective.
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  They were highly motivated to endure any hardship and share the gospel.
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  So Tim, more, I want to be about redeeming the time and having a sense of urgency, which
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  I don't think the church today has, how can we be better in that respect?
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  I think we apply the full counsel of the Word of God.
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  We don't exclude the beginning and the end because, you know, they're hard to grapple
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  with or grasp.
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  We take God at his word.
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  And when he says, hey, Jesus is coming again.
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  When Jesus says in last chapter of scripture, I'm coming soon.
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  Yes, I'm coming soon.
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  I am coming soon.
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  We take him at his word.
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  And soon you said 2000 years, well, let's face it, David, when we've been in heaven gathered
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  around the throne of God for a billion trillion years, 2000 will seem like the blink of an
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  eye.
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  It's all a matter of our perspective.
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  And so in addition to having a biblical worldview, perhaps what we need is a heaven view.
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  In other words, to align our perspective with that of God.
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  I used to phrase a God's eye perspective earlier.
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  Maybe we need to see things not just from plotting along in this life and in this world.
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  But from a heaven's eye perspective, and then we would understand that even what seems
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  to be taking so long, boy, I wish the Lord had already come, sort of.
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  But when I say that, I do wish he would come soon, but I'm glad he doesn't come on my
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  timeline.
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  I'm glad he in his divine plan gives opportunity for everyone to come to faith in Christ.
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  I know your viewers are likely followers of Christ, but if anyone is not, today is the
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  day of salvation.
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  And really, ongoingly, your program helps direct them to a biblical worldview.
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  And I'll dare say again, a heavenly worldview.
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  Yes.
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  And what you guys do at Christ and prophecy, Lamb and Lion, take it up a notch when it comes
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  to Bible prophecy and all that you guys cover.
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  I want to mention Christ and prophecy.org, Tim's devotional and journal at you can go
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  to Lamb, Lion, Resources, or Christ and prophecy.org, and that's a phenomenal devotional you guys
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  can get.
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  High flight on Eagles, wings, on wings as Eagles.
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  Brother, thanks for your time.
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  We went by very, very fast.
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  I appreciate all you do.
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  God's being, David.
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  You and your viewers.
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  Thank you, sir.
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  God bless you.
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  And as always, friends, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.