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Stephen Keech: Haste the Day · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

• 0:24
  Speaker 1: Day.
• 0:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah where yeah, laugh, Today we've got Steven from Hasey
• 0:32
  Speaker 2: to Day once again. It's been a couple of years
• 0:34
  Speaker 2: now since we last chatted. Uh and uh, you know
• 0:38
  Speaker 2: when we last chatted. I do think that last single
• 0:41
  Speaker 2: came out. What was that like twenty That must have
• 0:43
  Speaker 2: been twenty twenty three, twenty.
• 0:45
  Speaker 1: Burn, twenty twenty four, which is wild that it's been
• 0:49
  Speaker 1: two years since. Yeah, I don't because I don't know
• 0:51
  Speaker 1: where those two years went.
• 0:53
  Speaker 3: But here we are.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I do remember like it came out that that
• 0:56
  Speaker 2: that song came out, and then it was like maybe
• 0:58
  Speaker 2: what a month or two later that you guys play
• 1:01
  Speaker 2: at Furnace Fast and you just absolutely destroyed Furnace Fast.
• 1:05
  Speaker 2: I was so sick and then uh then it's like
• 1:08
  Speaker 2: it's one of those things where it's just sort of like,
• 1:10
  Speaker 2: all right, I remember that being so sick, and then
• 1:12
  Speaker 2: you just kind of forget, like, wait, I'm pretty sure
• 1:15
  Speaker 2: there's going to be new hast to Day music. Like
• 1:18
  Speaker 2: you wait long enough and you're like, wait, did that
• 1:20
  Speaker 2: actually happen? Like was that just like a dream that
• 1:22
  Speaker 2: I had?
• 1:22
  Speaker 1: And then were they were they honking us?
• 1:27
  Speaker 2: Wait? Here we are a couple of months a couple
• 1:30
  Speaker 2: of years later, and now now we're on the verge
• 1:33
  Speaker 2: of new hayst to Day music, an entire album, and
• 1:37
  Speaker 2: I just am so stoked about it. It's it's so exciting.
• 1:40
  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: And so obviously we'll want to talk all about the
• 1:42
  Speaker 2: new music. We'll want to talk legacy of hast to Day.
• 1:45
  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: But before we get into all that, Steven, how are
• 1:48
  Speaker 2: you doing today?
• 1:50
  Speaker 1: I'm good man. I mean life is, oh, it is
• 1:55
  Speaker 1: balls to the wall, as they say, got you know,
• 1:59
  Speaker 1: my I's a teacher. I've got two kids. They're in
• 2:03
  Speaker 1: you know, school and sports and all that. I have
• 2:08
  Speaker 1: two jobs now. One is Haste the Day, which is
• 2:12
  Speaker 1: supposed to be a part time thing, but it takes
• 2:13
  Speaker 1: up most of my time, and the other is you know,
• 2:18
  Speaker 1: my actual job. So I'm trying to balance all of
• 2:21
  Speaker 1: that and it's it's hard. But summer is coming that
• 2:25
  Speaker 1: is going to free up a lot of time at least.
• 2:27
  Speaker 1: I mean my commute right now, because I drive my
• 2:30
  Speaker 1: kids to school and come back. So my commute, even
• 2:34
  Speaker 1: though I'm just driving across town and back, is about
• 2:36
  Speaker 1: an hour and fifteen minutes every day like there and
• 2:41
  Speaker 1: then again in the afternoon and it's like and I
• 2:45
  Speaker 1: work from home. Is that not fair?
• 2:48
  Speaker 2: Then? No?
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  Speaker 1: Well, my youngest he's four, and he demands whatever music
• 2:55
  Speaker 1: he is into at the moment. Now I've done a
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  Speaker 1: pretty good job. So there was a while there where
• 3:01
  Speaker 1: he just demanded Radiohead.
• 3:02
  Speaker 3: That's it, So like that's a you're you're doing it right.
• 3:06
  Speaker 1: Yes, I was really proud that the low bar.
• 3:09
  Speaker 2: Radiohead is the low bar for what it could be.
• 3:13
  Speaker 1: Like No, I mean like, so Radiohead was cool, Like
• 3:16
  Speaker 1: that was like all right, oh wait, that's good. And
• 3:18
  Speaker 1: of course there's also like Hot Wheels, uh, and there's
• 3:24
  Speaker 1: so many other like today it was the Emoji movie,
• 3:27
  Speaker 1: which oh man, not to watch it, but to listen
• 3:30
  Speaker 1: to the sound.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, so far, I don't know anything about your kid,
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  Speaker 2: but your kid has might might have the most eclectic
• 3:36
  Speaker 2: taste of music ever from he really Wheels soundtrack to Radiohead.
• 3:40
  Speaker 2: It doesn't get much more eclectic than that. Like, he's
• 3:43
  Speaker 2: way more hipster than we all are.
• 3:45
  Speaker 1: He even knows what Radiohead like sounds like, so like
• 3:50
  Speaker 1: he'll he'll hear an obscure Radiohead song and I'll be like,
• 3:54
  Speaker 1: is this Radiohead? Yes?
• 3:57
  Speaker 3: Pretty soon he's gonna be like, did you know that
• 3:59
  Speaker 3: Tom York really really hate singing the song creep.
• 4:05
  Speaker 1: Start giving me like Radiohead lower something Yeah, which I
• 4:12
  Speaker 1: guess there's a whole album of those. It's called yea
• 4:16
  Speaker 1: is it called It's anyway? I've discovered it the other
• 4:19
  Speaker 1: day and I was like, wait, I didn't know that
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  Speaker 1: this existed, but does you're.
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  Speaker 2: Doing your kids? Sounds cool?
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  Speaker 3: He is cool, very cooler than you. Maybe I don't
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  Speaker 3: know he is.
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  Speaker 1: I mean that's the goal, right, you raise kids that
• 4:32
  Speaker 1: are cooler than you are.
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  Speaker 3: I think I can't. I can't. I can't get him
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  Speaker 3: to stop. He's three and a half, so about the
• 4:39
  Speaker 3: same age, and I can't get him to stop listening
• 4:41
  Speaker 3: to show tunes. Okay, which you show tunes or like no, no, no,
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  Speaker 3: like like Broadway musical like Phantom of the Opera, and uh,
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  Speaker 3: it could be worse. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, it definitely
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  Speaker 3: could be worse. But you know, it gets old after
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  Speaker 3: a while.
• 5:00
  Speaker 1: Listening to show tunes is a different and more pleasureable
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  Speaker 1: experience for me than like watching a musical. Like watching
• 5:09
  Speaker 1: a musical most of the time, like, I just there's
• 5:11
  Speaker 1: something about it. I was raised in a very musical family,
• 5:15
  Speaker 1: and I don't know why, but I like just get
• 5:19
  Speaker 1: really uncomfortable, Like my whole body gets uncomfortable, like when
• 5:23
  Speaker 1: I'm like these people are just out there just singing
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  Speaker 1: and dancing and acting like this, like I mean, it's good,
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  Speaker 1: and also it's just a different kind of art form
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  Speaker 1: that I'm used to, and I just get like kind
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  Speaker 1: of and you know, no shade, no disrespect, because it
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  Speaker 1: is a really cool art form. My body can't handle it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why.
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  Speaker 2: I'm totally with you, Steven, you know what's funny, Like
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  Speaker 2: as much as Colin and I are so similar in
• 5:49
  Speaker 2: so many ways and there's a reason why we're best
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  Speaker 2: friends for years. I hate musicals, like even the best
• 5:56
  Speaker 2: musicals that exist.
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  Speaker 1: Said I wouldn't say it, I didn't say it, but I.
• 6:00
  Speaker 2: Handel like even the best ones, like the ones that
• 6:02
  Speaker 2: everybody's like this is the best one. I'm like, I'll
• 6:06
  Speaker 2: watch it, and I'm just like, this is not it
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  Speaker 2: for me. And honestly, for me, it like comes down to,
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  Speaker 2: like I just don't like plot being driven by a
• 6:15
  Speaker 2: song not my my thing. In fact, what about like
• 6:17
  Speaker 2: my one of my favorite, one of my favorite movies
• 6:20
  Speaker 2: ever is no Country for Old Men, which is the
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  Speaker 2: reason why it's known for being one of the best
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  Speaker 2: movies ever. No, there's literally no music in it.
• 6:26
  Speaker 1: A music yeah, No, there's two. I think there's two
• 6:29
  Speaker 1: music cues, and they're so unnoticeable. Uh it's I mean,
• 6:35
  Speaker 1: it's genius. It's it's one of the coolest movies ever made.
• 6:38
  Speaker 1: And coming from a film composer like as my day job, Like,
• 6:44
  Speaker 1: I respect that so much because one of the hardest things,
• 6:48
  Speaker 1: like and the things that you have to learn as
• 6:50
  Speaker 1: a film composer is like win not to use music.
• 6:54
  Speaker 1: And when a scene is like way more powerful without music,
• 7:00
  Speaker 1: that speaks to both the you know, the uh temperament
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  Speaker 1: of the composer and the like you know, I'm missing
• 7:10
  Speaker 1: the word here, but and also how amazing every scene
• 7:13
  Speaker 1: is shot acted, like just executed amazing.
• 7:18
  Speaker 3: I'm so glad you said that. And to bring this
• 7:20
  Speaker 3: full circle, Johnny Greenwood is a is a composer for
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  Speaker 3: film now as well, has been for a while. But
• 7:28
  Speaker 3: every movie that I watch where he is the musical composer,
• 7:34
  Speaker 3: it transcends the whole scene in every single like like
• 7:42
  Speaker 3: so you think of like, uh, there will be blood
• 7:45
  Speaker 3: one battle after another right, It just it just completely
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  Speaker 3: puts you into a completely different headspace that puts so
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  Speaker 3: much more emotion into that scene.
• 7:56
  Speaker 1: Yes, wow, yeah uh so. Yeah, I'm I am right
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  Speaker 1: there with you. With the musicals, I've got a few exceptions,
• 8:05
  Speaker 1: Like I mean Disney movies like Animated for some reason,
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  Speaker 1: I'm cool with it, Like let's go, that's fine with hate.
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  Speaker 3: I hate.
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  Speaker 2: Those older ones are great.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, i mean Aladdin, Beauty and the Beast, Like there's
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  Speaker 1: some gorgeous music that happens.
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  Speaker 2: They're aristocrats or yeah, white.
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  Speaker 1: Thinking about rescuers down under. Rob Oh that's the best one. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the Robin Hood one.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Robin.
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  Speaker 1: That's probably like the most iconic of of them for me.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's a sleeper. It's a sleeper pick. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's no one, No one ever thinks about it.
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  Speaker 2: Like for a film score. I think so, I will
• 8:47
  Speaker 2: say in terms of sleeper pick of Disney movies, not
• 8:50
  Speaker 2: just the film score, but just Disney movie Sore in
• 8:52
  Speaker 2: the Stone. The amount of people that I've ever been like,
• 8:55
  Speaker 2: have you ever seen Story of the Stone, even though
• 8:57
  Speaker 2: they grew up on Disney movies, they're like, wait, I've
• 8:59
  Speaker 2: never even seen this movie, and I'm like, oh, it's
• 9:02
  Speaker 2: like really such an underrated, so good.
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  Speaker 1: It's such a movie all the time. And then the
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  Speaker 1: other one and we can stop talking about musicals is
• 9:10
  Speaker 1: The Newsies. The Newsies is like it for some reason,
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  Speaker 1: it just like it got in there at the right
• 9:17
  Speaker 1: time where I'm like, I don't feel uncomfortable while I'm
• 9:19
  Speaker 1: watching this, like you know suck you know what from
• 9:24
  Speaker 1: New York. Yeah, it's good, it's good.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's funny because now I know why
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  Speaker 3: Mason didn't come. I just I just was a lead
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  Speaker 3: in a in a musical. Really, Mason didn't come and
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  Speaker 3: see it.
• 9:36
  Speaker 1: Oh come on, so you gotta. I mean I would
• 9:38
  Speaker 1: do that. I would go see my friends in musicals.
• 9:42
  Speaker 1: I would just feel uncomfortable, but I would do it
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  Speaker 1: for sure.
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  Speaker 2: I just was, you know, as a friend. My biggest
• 9:51
  Speaker 2: worry as a friend is to see my friend do
• 9:53
  Speaker 2: something that I just find so cringe. And I just
• 9:57
  Speaker 2: I was just like, I'm not saying it was cringe.
• 9:59
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying I was wor that it could be cringe.
• 10:01
  Speaker 2: And then like now now like now that's a part
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  Speaker 2: of our lore is now I see a friend do
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  Speaker 2: a cringe thing, and I just don't want to do that,
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  Speaker 2: so that I feel.
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  Speaker 1: Like that is a valid excuse, Like that's another form
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  Speaker 1: of love. It is another form of love.
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  Speaker 3: Is abstinence for musicals is a form of love.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Steven, let's talk about New hast to Day.
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  Speaker 2: I guess before like really actually talking about like some
• 10:29
  Speaker 2: of the details, because obviously we'll want to talk of like,
• 10:31
  Speaker 2: you know, like the lyrics that you were maybe like talking,
• 10:34
  Speaker 2: you know, thinking about, or the concepts, the themes, the
• 10:37
  Speaker 2: you know, what's happening in the world that you know
• 10:39
  Speaker 2: we're making you want to like write what you were writing,
• 10:42
  Speaker 2: and and just even like you know, from a musicality standpoint,
• 10:45
  Speaker 2: like you know, the sort of things that you're wanting
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  Speaker 2: to explore. What I'm really curious about is, you know,
• 10:49
  Speaker 2: hate today has kind of this interesting history, right, like
• 10:51
  Speaker 2: because there was Jimmy early on, uh in those first
• 10:56
  Speaker 2: couple Hasteday albums, and then you come along later and
• 11:01
  Speaker 2: have now written or is this your fourth He's a
• 11:04
  Speaker 2: Day album?
• 11:05
  Speaker 1: Fifth, fifth, fancy one, two, three, four or five?
• 11:12
  Speaker 2: So it is five. Yeah, So there's kind of this
• 11:15
  Speaker 2: interesting history where like obviously you're not the original singer,
• 11:17
  Speaker 2: and we talked about that the last time of like
• 11:19
  Speaker 2: you coming into the band. But what's interesting is just
• 11:23
  Speaker 2: like you know where metal is in the world right now,
• 11:27
  Speaker 2: where there's kind of this resurgence of metal. You know.
• 11:30
  Speaker 2: Obviously you guys played this furnace that show that just
• 11:32
  Speaker 2: was amazing a couple of years ago. Uh, And I
• 11:36
  Speaker 2: don't think you have played a ton since. Yeah, I'm
• 11:39
  Speaker 2: just like curious, like, how have you played it any
• 11:41
  Speaker 2: show since.
• 11:42
  Speaker 1: We played Dallas after that? I think we played I'm
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: trying to remember exactly where, but we definitely played a
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: few shows after that one, okay, and we played all yeah,
• 11:54
  Speaker 1: none in twenty twenty five, like we took that whole
• 11:57
  Speaker 1: year off to work on the album, right.
• 11:59
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm just like, when you think of like
• 12:02
  Speaker 2: the legacy of Haste today, and I think if I
• 12:05
  Speaker 2: remember right, like you even were a fan of Haste
• 12:08
  Speaker 2: today when you first got into the band, when you
• 12:11
  Speaker 2: like think about like, Okay, now the band is like
• 12:14
  Speaker 2: however many years and you're on your your own fifth
• 12:18
  Speaker 2: album with the band, Like, how do you just like
• 12:20
  Speaker 2: think about this band, How do you think maybe other people,
• 12:23
  Speaker 2: how fans think about this band? How do other band
• 12:25
  Speaker 2: members think about this band? But just like, how do
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: you think about this band now that it's been so
• 12:30
  Speaker 2: far removed from like the first you know singer from
• 12:33
  Speaker 2: the first album? Uh, and here we are moved forward
• 12:36
  Speaker 2: number of years and you're on your fifth album. Like
• 12:39
  Speaker 2: I don't just like there's it feels like there's enough
• 12:41
  Speaker 2: separation now where you can kind of maybe look back
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: and think, Wait, like, this is kind of how I
• 12:45
  Speaker 2: think about this band, and this is how I think
• 12:47
  Speaker 2: about this music, and this is how I think about
• 12:48
  Speaker 2: my own involvement in it. So I'm just curious, like
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: all those sorts of things that might come to your
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: mind for that, I'm just curious, like, yeah, how do
• 12:55
  Speaker 2: you think about legacy of it?
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean I was asked this for something like
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: this for another interview and as a written interview, and
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: I was just sitting there. I was just like, it's
• 13:07
  Speaker 1: so hard to answer this kind of question because it's
• 13:10
  Speaker 1: like it's very I look at it, and I look
• 13:16
  Speaker 1: at back then, and I look at the first time
• 13:19
  Speaker 1: that I ever heard Haste the day and that feeling
• 13:22
  Speaker 1: that I got of like you know, when when everything
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: falls came out, and I was like this is this sound,
• 13:29
  Speaker 1: this is what I want to sound like, this is
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: what are like. We all wanted to sound like that
• 13:33
  Speaker 1: as a band, the band that I was in, and
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: we like we just idolized them. It was just awesome.
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: And then being able to join the band and participate
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: in that legacy it really Uh it felt like I
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: was borrowing a little bit at the beginning and I
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: was just kind of I was participating more. And then
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: as the band went on, it became family. Like now
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: I just view it as like, you know, my extended family,
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: Like it's it's like that it hasn't changed and also
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: it's changed completely. So yeah, when I think about like
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: like I was talking to Brennan about this last night
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: actually something like this, and he just went to go
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: see a band that we toured with back in the day,
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: and we were talking about how how we perceive our band,
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: and like, at some point after I joined the band,
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: I felt like it stopped being cool, Like like not
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: that it wasn't cool that I was in it or whatever,
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: it's just like, oh, now I'm a part of it,
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: and now like I'm not cool, So the band's not cool,
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: like you know what I mean, Like and we all
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: kind of felt that way because none of us are
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: narcissists and we and we were just like we kind
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: of pinned the band into the zone of like nerdy,
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: but people liked it or like kind of just like
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: we're goofy, like a goofy group of guys that made
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: kind of okay cool music sometimes, but it was just
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: kind of a fluke or whatever. I don't know if
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: I'm describing this well. But then we talked to like
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: people we know and they're like, no, dude, you guys
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: were the cool band, Like you guys got on Furnastfest
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: because you're the cool band. We're like, what are you
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: talking about? And it's the same thing. And we brought
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: it up with like when we put out Attack of
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: the Wolf King, we thought nobody liked it at all.
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: And then when we come.
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: Back my favorite, yeah, totally my I remember literally mowing
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: my yard all the time to or my dad's yard,
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: I guess to Attack of the Wolfgate.
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: I love that, see, because it's like we thought that
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: nobody liked it. We I mean, we we were definitely.
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: It was a weird time for the music business. It
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: was a weird time for us as a band touring
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: got like really hard because nobody was coming shows anymore,
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: and it was just like a weird thing where we
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: put out this album and we were like, the data
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: shows that nobody likes it, and that's okay. We like
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: the album and it's cool. Now we'll break up in
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: peace and we'll do the farewell tour, which was huge
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: and awesome and like blew our minds. But then you know,
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: we just kind of forgot about it all, like okay, well, yeah,
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: you know, we put out this album, and then when
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: we came back for Furnish Vest in twenty twenty three,
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: people were like, no, you're Attack of the Wolf King
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: is my favorite album, and we're like the one that
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: we did, the like one that we put out in
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: twenty ten, Like are you sure?
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: And is there is there a musical called Attack of
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: the Wolf Is.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: There there is like a show on Netflix called The
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: Wolf King? And I was like, excuse me, and the
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: and it's a wolf guy like this guy who turns
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: into a wolf who fights a guy who turns into
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: a lion. So I mean, wow, just saying somebody probably
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: listened to her album, saying.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: But anyway, it sounds like it They should they should
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: have come to you for some music music.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: Royalties, Yeah, I mean they should have.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: I should have used you guys should right now, let's
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: start the lawsuit right now.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: I looked it up in our are. He wrote a
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: book about it and it came out in the same year.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: Oh come on now, Yeah, isn't that weird?
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: Sod that's a little too on the nose.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: It's kind of weird.
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: Intellectual property is a thing.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: I guarantee if you look at the I guarantee that
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: author just has like so many tattoos that would point
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: him directly to listen under Rope and Norma Jean and
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: for sure haste to day guaranteed. Like there's no way,
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: like he's just gonna look like he looks like he
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: belongs at furness fast and it's like, come on, dude, like.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: You know, hey, I gotta plug in my phone. That's
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: being the camera because I forgot you hold on just
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: one second.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: Sure, I love that. The new album I don't know
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: if you can hear us right now, but the new
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: album artwork looks like is it It looks like what was
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: the what's the Stavesaker album cover? That looks keeping room?
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: Uh? Not speakeasy, but yeah, speakeasy.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: I think it's it looks like speakeasy. It's obviously it's
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: not like a curtain, but it's got like that.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: You're kind of you're kind of right, yeah, speaking of
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: intellectual property.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: Sorry, guys, this a get marked.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: The sue hates the day. Sorry, we were just making uh.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: The The new album cover looks a lot like a
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: Stavesacer album. Oh no, I don't know. If you ever
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: listened to Safe Sacre, they have a probably their most
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: famous album is called Speakeasy, and it's like a red
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: curtain that comes down and it looks very similar.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Hold on, I gotta because I it's called speakeasy, Stay Sacresasy.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: You don't have to tell me what it's called, because
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: I remember that album. I don't remember what it looked
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: like though, because.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: I don't it was was Speakeasy a tooth and nail album, Colin,
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Is that one of their toothnail albums?
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: That was? Sure? I think? So?
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's funny. I mean, maybe solid a lot to
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: suit themselves for it. I don't know.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Oh I could see that.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're red and it's just like the way obviously
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: yours is not like a curtain, but like just like
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: there's like kind of the red and then there's like
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: it fades the red and black.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well maybe I'll just say that it's an ode
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: to staves occur.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: The album sounds exactly like speakeasy, So.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: That is not a bad start, I'll be honest.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: I mean I would be down with that. I love
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: that album record. We got that one time in a
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: tiny little room. It was really cool.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: That be so much fun those guys. Mark is the best.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: All right, So where were you at? You were you
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: were talking about? You're talking about like how like uncool
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: you thought you guys were, Yeah, but like you're actually
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: not and it's what he actually believes you are.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, It's the thing is is that And I'm not
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: saying that we're I think we just have a wrong
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: perception of the band or like, uh, just we're only
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: able to see it reflected, you know what I mean.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Like you know how you can never actually look at
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: your own face. You can see a reflection of it,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: but you can't look at your own face the same
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: way with with you know, your art, you just kind
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: of have a skewed perspective of what it is. Because
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: you take a.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Lot of like they either think they're way better than
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: they are or they're way worse. But there's very few
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: people that are actually able to like accurately kind of
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: kneel exactly where they are. But it's like it's typically
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: one of the two, Like there's rare, it's rarely that
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: people are actually kind of like nailing it on the head.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: And it sounds like you're kind of like maybe on
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: the ustri underestimating.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we tend to do that, and and
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: I'd rather be on that, so, you.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: Know, that's much better side to be on, uh.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Because but I think that it's it's caused us to
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: it's caused us to sell ourselves short in some ways,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: and I think we're just trying not to do that
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: now because it's it's really easy as an artist, and
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: I've been thinking about this a lot. I've made a
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: lot of art in my life, and I've shown it
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: to not that many people, like as somebody who is
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: making art for a living, I'm making music and all
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: of that stuff, I still have like a hang up
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: on showing people. I just pulled up a drive that
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: like a hard drive that I had not looked at
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: for years and years, and I found all this music
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, this has like
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: every song I've ever written and recorded. There's like voice memos,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: there's like it's like it's crazy, and so much of it.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: I completely forgot about it. It never saw the light
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: of day. Like, uh, mostly kind of in that indie
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: singer songwriter kind of vibe. But like, I wrote so
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: much music, there's like whole like albums. There's a whole
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: box set worth of music in there that I'm like,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: I totally forgot about this song and I never released it.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: I just never did it.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: And you just tell your kid it's Radiohead.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: You're What you should do is you should just leave
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: it hanging out in a relatively unobscured place in your
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: house so that when you die, your family has a
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: box set to sell all this unreleased stuff.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: I literally thought about that.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: They're gonna try to sell it.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're gonna go and and it's they're gonna spend
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: more money trying to do it than they'll make from it.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: But that's it. That's usually what happens. But but yeah,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: so as far as the band legacy, I I have
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: a lot of respect for it, and I'm trying to
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: respect it more now. I'm trying to honor it more
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: like I maybe didn't honor it fifteen years ago. When
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: everything just kind of, you know, you lose perspective, you
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: forget the why you and you just kind of focus
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: on the how and the where and the what and
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: all of that, and you just kind of lose perspective.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: And right now I am very close to losing perspective
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: all the time on everything because I have barely any
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: time to actually think. But I am trying very hard
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: to remember the why all the time and to remember
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: that it is important. It's just as important for me
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: to share the art that I make and that we
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: make as it is for me to make it. Like
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: a lot of times, I prioritize the making it and
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: I deprioritize the sharing it part. And so now we're
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: sharing this album, we're sharing the you know, the art
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: that we've made, and we uh, yeah, there's lots of
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: work that needs to be done.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I think what's really cool about furnace Fest
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: is there are so many bands that have sort of
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: I think maybe what furnace Fest was known for was
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: kind of like a sort of reunion type of festival
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: for a lot of bands. Obviously not even the majority
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: of bands, but many bands, and for a lot of
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: those bands, and Colin and I have interviewed a lot
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: of those bands. What what's really cool is, I think
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: what the sentiment that you're talking about is there was
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: a sense from those bands that like what they did. Yeah,
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: they like enjoyed it personally, like they enjoyed the music
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: they were making, they enjoyed the shows that they were playing.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: But I don't think there was a sense that those
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: bands had that like how important their music was to
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: other people. And what Furnace Fest was really good at
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: was identifying the bands that their music was actually incredibly
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: important to people at a certain time, and then bringing
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: those bands back and showing those bands, hey, here are
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: all these people that twenty years later, you haven't played
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: a show for twenty years, you haven't released any music
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: for twenty five years. Here are all these people that
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: are willing to pay money to watch you play these
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: songs again twenty twenty five years later. And it goes
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: to show like how powerful music is. It goes to
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: show how important these bands are for a lot of people,
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: and I think for a lot of these bands, it
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: goes to show like, oh wait, we actually really mattered,
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: like even though like it might have been like kind
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: of this like high school thing for us, or it
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: was just this like thing where we're like, oh yeah,
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: we weren't We never thought of ourselves as like this
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: important band or whatever, and then you realize later like,
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: oh yeah, we actually kind of mattered to a lot
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: of people. And very few bands get to have that.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Like out of the majority of bands, like we think
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: about like Spotify numbers and there there's very few bands
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: that like actually get good Spotify numbers, but even lesser
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: bands like even less So get to have some impact
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: in somebody's life. And and a lot of these bands,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: including hast to Day, get to have that in a
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: lot of people's lives, which is really cool.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's I mean, it's it's unbelievable the
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: stories that we hear, you know, when we when we
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: talk to people who have been listening to our band
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: for a long time, like the the lyrics that connect
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: with people and the the shows that you know, there
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: was that one show where we did this one thing
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: for one fan and they remembered it forever, and it's
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: just like it's just really cool to be able to
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: be a part of that. And and what's funny is
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: it's it's the opposite way too, Like the people at
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: our shows have affected us in a really deep way,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: and like I can, I can like think about a
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: lot of different scenarios where whether it's an Instagram message
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: or someone coming up to me after a show or
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: whatever that like really impacted me. And we have fans
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: that come to like as many shows as they can.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: They'll fly across the world to go to a show,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: go to multiple shows, and they'll take time off work
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: and they'll go to like they'll see all of our shows.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: And it's like we have they become friends, they become
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: part of our community, and it's just cool. And it's
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: like it's not because of any of us. There's no
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: one person in Haste the Day that's like, you know,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: the popular one. It's like it's because of Haste the
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Day's legacy that we were just talking about. It's because
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: the band continued to show up. And one thing that
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: I really respected about the band beyond and it's such
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: a simple thing. They never cancer canceled a show for anything.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Like and then while I was in the band, we
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: canceled one show and that was in Salt Lake City
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: and it's only because the highway closed and we literally couldn't.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: They couldn't get there.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was like, we never canceled a show
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: like we always you know, you know that Eagles Lodge
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: out there in the middle of nowhere, Like, we're going
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: to show up there and we're going to play the
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: show to the best of our ability. And yeah, and
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: they they did that so well in the early days,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: and we felt like that was something like to carry on,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there is something about being the cow ripken of
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: of of music too. You know. It shows that that
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: you are willing to put aside, you know, struggle and
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: strife and the things that go with touring and so
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: on and so forth, and showing up for the people
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: that are showing up for you. I do find it.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: I do find it interesting that you I don't know
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: if we've ever heard someone kind of express it this way,
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: that you know, the fans have had an effect on
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: you as much as you know you've you've had an
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: effect on them. Are are you able to share any
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: kind of moment where you had like this light bulb
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: moment where you're like, Wow, that has really changed me
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: as an individual right now.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: I mean it happened today, Like I could tell you
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: one that happened today. So we Wow, we just launched
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: a Patreon and we didn't know how it was going
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: to go. We were like, do people want this? Like
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: is this? I mean, because we can't play shows really
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: like we could play some shows, maybe a handful of
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: shows every year, but we want to like facilitate a
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: place where our fans can talk to each other and
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: talk to us and we can hang out basically, and
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: we can share what we're doing without having to deal
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: with you know, Zuckerberg and social media and all of
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: that stuff. So so we launched it and we had
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: three tiers. There's like the small tier it was like
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: five bucks or something, and you can you get you know,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: early access to to announcements and you know, first shot
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: at Birch and stuff like that. And then the next tier,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: which a weekly content drip where we like you know,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: do like a podcast style band conversation and stuff like that.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: And then like the top tier where you know, you
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: get live streams of the shows and some other stuff.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: So We were like, you know, maybe middle tier would
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: be cool if people like jumped in the middle tier.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Every single person who signed up went straight to the
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: top tier like immediately, what that's awesome. Nobody in the
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: bottom tier like nobody, and everybody just jumped to the
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: top tier. And I was talking, well, we'll volunteer. You
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: guys are bottom tier material.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: We're bottom beters. If there if there's anybody that's bottom feeds,
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: it's us.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: We named our tears. This is funny. We named our tears. Uh.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: The first one is called uh, I don't even remember
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: what the first one's called now. The second one is
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: called the Wolf Kings and Queens, and the third one
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: is called the Dissenters. Right, you're like, man, we should
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: have named the bottom tier coward Cowards that dude, I'm
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: even funny.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: But we felt like that there's nobody in it, so
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: you nobody's.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Now I can change the name.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't hurt anybody's feelings. Yeah, but anyway, Yeah, I
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: was talking to somebody and he was just telling me
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: about like some lyrics on Coward and how it affected
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: him at the right time, and it was like, Coward
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: probably is the most personal lyrics for me. There's no
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: theme to that album. It's literally just like every song
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: is extremely personal to me. Whether it's like me like
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: you know, wrestling with God kind of in a deconstruction phase,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: or you know, talking about some intense stuff that happened
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: with my family, my other intense stuff that happened with
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: my grandpa, like all kinds of it's very personal to me.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: And I didn't write that for anybody else. It was
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: just for me to figure it all out, you know,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: and to put it out out there on paper and
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: to you know, hear him say that these songs like
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: really affected him like at that moment and had a yeah,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: just a profound effect on him. It just like it
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: blew my mind. And that's kind of what got me
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: into thinking about all this stuff where it's like I
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: am sometimes selfish about the stuff that I release, like
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: and it's not always about me, and and it validates
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: one thing, which is like always right about like what
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: is important to you. You know. There's so many of
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: these profound are like moments where we interact with people
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: and they tell us about how how the band has
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: affected them, and I mean, I mean, I I felt
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: that way before I was in the band again with
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: When Everything Falls, like those songs, like like I liked
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Burning Bridges. I thought it was cool. It was like
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: cool hardcore band, like can't sound like ZAO all right,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: but with like a little bit more like you know,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: hardcore vibe sweet. Then yeah, When Everything Falls, those songs
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: just like they met me right at the right time,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Like the lyrics everything like felt the lyrics, the style,
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: the like melodies at all just hit me at the
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: right time, you know. And yeah, it's it's just cool
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: to hear that that still happens for people with our
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: new music, with music that we kind of forget about,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And I think, like I'm curious, like if
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Colin has this experience. But there's a lot of music
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: that kind of came out, you know, especially around like
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: When Everything Falls and even like up until like really
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: like Attack with the Wolf King, where a lot of
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: that music became very derivative. But there was something about
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: Haste the Day that felt differ and honestly, like there
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: are some bands on Solid State that were coming out
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: that felt different, Like I think of like, oh, Sleeper
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: is like another I immediately thought of, Yeah, like oh,
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: Sleeper felt like there was something similar to Hasty Day,
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: but like also felt different than like whatever the derivative
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: was that was happening at that time, right, But hast
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: to Day felt like that. Like I I think of
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: like hast Today as like they could have like joined
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: in with whatever that derivative was, but they didn't. Like
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: there there was something that was really interesting and different
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: about what hast to Day was doing that wasn't the
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: same as every other band that sounded or was in
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: the sort of you know, same scene or whatever.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: And I love that.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that. That to me is what captured
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: hasted Day to me, like or that's what like made
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: hast to Day like matter a lot to me. Uh
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: And again I would imagine like Colin probably has a
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: coomilar story, but yeah, there was just something different that
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: you guys were doing. And uh, I think a lot
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: of that was just like the instrumentation, your music, the songwriting,
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: like whatever. Well, like there was a maybe it's a
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: combination of all those things, but there's something different that
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: didn't make it feel like a derivative and also made
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: it feel like there's a catchiness to it. There's a
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: heaviness to it, like there's there's something that's like fun
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: about Like there's just it has all the things that
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: could have been derivative, but like there's something unique about
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: it too that doesn't make it feel like this is
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: gonna not age in the way that it clearly has aged.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Hmmm. I man, I really appreciate that. That's like a
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: huge compliment, because it's like a fear of mine to
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: put out music that just like is exactly like something
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: else or is exactly the trend for whatever, you know.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: I I it's really important to me to always push
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: the boundaries of whatever box we created before. Right, So,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: like there there are some bands out there and it
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: really works for them to put out basically the same
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: album every two years and it's just exactly the same,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: and they can do that and they'll continue to grow
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: and it's cool. I cannot do that sometimes to my detriment,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: Like and we couldn't do it. We were always like
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: dreaming up, like what's the next thing we want to
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: edrceus here, Yeah, what's the next iteration? Because like, to me,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: it's so weird, Like when I think about each record,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: each one is so absolutely unique from the other one,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Like in my mind, and I you know, I again
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: I have a skewed for version of reality, probably because
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: I've listened to all of these songs like ten thousand
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: times so I know them in and out. But like Pressure,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: the Hinges and Dreamer are completely different in my mind,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: very Dreamer and Attack of the Wolfking are again completely different,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: and the Attack of the Wolf King and Coward are
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: completely different. And still there's some kind of thread through
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: all of them that's like it still sounds like case today,
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: like to yeah, right, which is a cool thing I think.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: I think taking those brave swings though, is part of
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: the reason that hay to Day never lost its luster.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: You know, not not to bring up another band or
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: anything like that, but like August Burn's read right, they have.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: They're kind of one of those bands that's made the
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: exact same album, you know, a number of different times.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: And you know, all respect to them because they do
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: it really, really well. Very but yeah, I never once
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: have ever been like, oh I cannot wait for the
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: next August Burn's Red album. But when Hayesday announces a
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: new record, I'm like, oh my god, what's it gonna
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: sound like? What what journey? Am I going to go
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: on here, what's awesome, what's the new what's the new
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: thing that they're going to bring to this? Uh, this
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: this stew and uh. I get so amped, so much
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: so that so I I have a rule for from
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: my own personal listening experience. I do not listen to
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: records that I'm excited about until the record is fully out.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: So I have not I have not heard a single song,
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: and I do it on purpose because I want I
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: want the full experience. I don't I don't want. I
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: don't want to hear just one or two songs or
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: four songs like you have about and right now. I
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: want to hear the whole thing as it's meant to
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: be heard. But I reserve that for the for the
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: artists that I know be on a shadow of my
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: heart that it's gonna be something different and it's gonna
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: be something that's gonna speak to me in a in
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: a in a total package kind of way.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: What if it totally sucks, you know, what if you
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: get totally why are they using band Joe? Like? What
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: is this?
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: Honestly, I'd be.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Of your concerns, Steven, Like.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Hey, you know everybody's into early two thousands metal cores,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: But has anybody gone back to the indie folk of
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: the early two thousands yet?
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, okay, so I remember when uh, Norma Jean's
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: Polar Similar album came out and there's a whole song
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: on there where it's just like an old steel guitar
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: and and I'm like, I love this.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: They're one of those bands that's the same same thing.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: I think that like, not the same album. The every
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: album is like there's a new element.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: That's like totally different.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, and it's it's literally I was about to
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: bring them up for sure.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, very very good band. And I respect the hell
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: out of Cory.
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: I do think that the bigger the swing, the better. Yeah,
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: you know, as long as you're not like, you know,
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: going off and making like a chamber choir record or
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: something like that, like uh uh oh, this album, oh choir.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: It's within within it is within the within the box
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: you're talking about.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Right, Yes, it is. And that's like what we wanted
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: to do, you know. We wanted to make a metal
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: core album. We want to make a Hasteday album, like
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: because I mean, we all have insanely different influences, like
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: from the Appsolute like one of us is into the
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: absolute heaviest music of all time, and then I'm over
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: here listening to just like Max Richter, like all just
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: all the ways, and it's just a very broad spectrum
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: of music. Uh, and we could totally go off the rails.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: But the box we wanted to put this album in
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: was metal core, Like we wanted to be a hasted
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: a metal core album. And also with that comes now
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: how do we push the sides of the box a
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: little bit and expand the foundation, you know, and try
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: and like just like so it's familiar enough and also new,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: and but I love that you have not listened to
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: any of the songs yet, because this album, if if
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: we could do this, if it was okay with how
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: people release music now, we just drop it, you know,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: like here it is, here's the whole album. But of
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: course you got to do all the singles. You got
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: to remind people a million times that you're doing what
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: you're doing. And I think that all of these songs
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: do stand up as singles, But the album is meant
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: to be listened to all the way through, like probably
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: the best I haven't listened to it on vinyl yet
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: because they're not ready yet, but the best listening experience
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: will be on vinyl, like listen to it all the
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: way through and then listen to it again, like like
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: dive into it. I think that that's the best way.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: Hell yeah.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: So so you brought this up just a bit ago,
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: and I'm curious because we've already you know, like we've
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: talked about Radiohead, and I'm sure there's other examples of
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: this that we can talk about. But there is a
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: there's a I would imagine I've never been in a band,
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: but I would imagine there's this hesitancy of Okay, we
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: could do this new thing that we want to do,
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: and here's the thing that we're known to do, and
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: there's that balance to do right, Like Yeah, And what
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: Radiohead has done, I think well is sort of moving
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: in each album in a direction where it's moving their
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: audience or their market or however you want their fans
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: in a direction of like where they're wanting to go,
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: but like not to a point where they're like like
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: they're just going one to eighty with their audience and
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: now all of a sudden, it's like a like alienating
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: their audience. Yeah, And so there's kind of this like
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: progression that they've moved their audience over the course of
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: their career. And I'm just curious, like how like and
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: I would imagine like I would imagine like as a
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: fan of music, Stephen, like you think about like, Oh,
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: there's this band that I really like, and I wish
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: they would just do this album again. Like, how do you,
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: as a musician who's making music for a bunch of
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: people that like your music, how do you like not
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: get into that temptation of Oh God, I just like
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: I wish I could like hear that band do that
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: thing again. Wait, does that mean I should do that
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: thing again for my band that we're known for? Like,
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: how do you how do you deal with that sort
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: of weird dynamic pressure? Yeah, I know I want that
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: band that I really like to do that thing, But
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: how do I not like make that be a pressure
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: on my band to do that thing?
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean I that that is the conundrum. Like
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: you're expressing something very real. So I am fully aware
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: of this thing that happens. Is the mere exposure effect
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: is what it's called. Right. We like things that are
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: familiar to us.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: So like.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: If you hear a band and you're used to hearing
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: that sound, and you go to the next album and
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: it's not that sound. You're not gonna like it as much, right, Like,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: you have to listen to it a bunch of times.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: You have to give it a few spins. And I actually,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: like with my job, you know, whether I'm doing like
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: a film score or whatever, and I send a direct
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: like say, I send a director a queue for the
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: first time, and they're listening to it with the film,
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: but they've been listening to the timp music over and
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: over again with their film.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: Always express like, look, you have to give it time.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Don't tell me what you think until after you've watched
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: it like five times, like watch it several times and
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: like sit with it, go to sleep, wake up, watch
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: it again, and then tell me that it sucks.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: Ye.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: No, Like if you react immediately, then like you're not
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: gonna like it. So I try and leave a lot
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: of room for that. Whenever I am listening to bands
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: that I love, listening to albums that I love, and
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: know that I can always go back to the one
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: that I love, right, I can always go and listen
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: to that album. This new one I've got to get
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: in the headspace. I've got to listen to it a
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: bunch as much as I can, and then at the
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: end of the day, if it hits, it hits. If
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: it doesn't, then no harm, no foul. See you later.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: I'll listen to this other album like that I like
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: a lot.
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: You know, that's a that's a phenomenon for for musicians
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: themselves too, right the I think they call it the
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: curse of the demo, where you get so obsessed with
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: the sound of the demo that you yeah, demoitis, Yeah, demo.
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: I remember, I'm a huge Beatles fan, right, and when
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: I was growing up, I was not very wealthy myself,
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: and so I would go out and try to get
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: the most amount of Beatles songs that I could get
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: on a single record. Well, I went to Walmart and
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: I found the Beatles Anthology, which is basically all their
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: outtakes and all that stuff. Yeah, and I became obsessed
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: with the outtakes, and then I heard the actual version.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: I'm like, what the hell is this? Yeah, this sucks.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: This isn't what I'm used to right right, But now
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: obviously I like I like both versions, but ye for
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: for different reasons. Yeah, that how do you, how do
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: you break out of that? How do you other than
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: just listening to it a whole bunch more times?
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think just like yeah, taking trying to take
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: a second before you react, I think is the key.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: And I we have to do this all the time.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: Like just the hardest thing in the world is killing
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: your darlings, right, Like, once you get used to, like
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: as a musician, like if I get used to like
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: this one part being there, and I love it so
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: much and it's awesome, and it's like this part represents
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: everything that I am and it's amazing. And then somebody says,
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: I don't love that part, Let's change that, and I'm like,
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: but it's it's all of me. Then you have to
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: be like, oh, well, there's other parts that I can
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: write that will also be all of me, you know,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: like that's not the last thing I'll ever write, and
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe I can use it for something else.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: So so when.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: Do you when do you? When do you die on
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: that hill?
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: Then there's been times where it's like, I know, this
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: one section is so important to me. There's been times
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: like in the band that that happens. But in the
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: band it's very democratic, So it's like, Okay, I'm gonna
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: make my case. Okay, I might lobby. I might lobby
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: some members here.
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: Uh, you got lobbying dollars too, Yeah, yeah, I got
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: lobbying dollars.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: So but Jimmy's putting by the way, yeah, shoot, so
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna make my.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: Jimmy's thousand dollars matters way more than the thousand dollars
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: that anybody like Solid State's gonna put it it.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: Honestly would it would matter a lot to the fans,
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: I think. But luckily we don't have to lobby to
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: the fans. We lobby to each other good and so
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: we uh, you know, I'll make my case and then
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: we'll vote on it. You know, what do you guys think, Like,
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: is every everybody in would you rather do it this way?
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: Would you rather do it that way? And then at
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: the end of the day, whatever everybody decides, like, we
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: go with that. But there has been times where you know,
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: I've had to convince a director, you know, like like, hey,
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: I know you don't like this yet, but I want
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: you to think about it from this perspective and watch
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: it a couple more times, you know, and then they'll
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: come back and be like, Okay, yeah, I see what
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: you're doing. Let's just tweak it a little bit and
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: then we can keep the general idea and you know,
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: move on. But it is hard. I mean, it's really
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: hard to put your heart and soul into something and yeah,
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: and it change later. But I worked at this licensing
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: company for a long time and I learned I wrote
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: eight songs a month, like that's what I had to
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: do for them. It was super easy, it was super fun,
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: and I had a blast. But what I learned in
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: that is that, like I don't have to put a
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: thousand percent of creative energy into everything. Like learning when
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: to do that is like it's part of being an artist.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: Learning like sometimes you're just building the foundation of a house,
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: you know, or sometimes you just sometimes you need a
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: brick building just like a just a yeah whatever, and
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: that is exactly what it needs to be for that moment.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: And then sometimes you need the Sistine Chapel, you know,
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: And you have to decide when you're going to do
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: which thing, you know, and when, like because you only
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: have so much creative output and you only have so
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: much emotional connection to your art, like how are you
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: going to spend it, you know.
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes that makes total sense. I think it's
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: I think it's why a lot of times people fall
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: in love with the first record of an artist's career, Yeah,
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: because the first one is just well, this is what
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: I am here you go yep. And and then after that,
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: oftentimes artists will think, oh, I need to make this
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: more flowery, I need to amp this up more. But
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: what it really comes down to is are you just
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: letting it come out as it's supposed to, yeah, or
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: are you trying to manipulate it to the point where
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: it's no longer resonating?
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I mean you could definitely like like just
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: whitewash the crap out of something like you're just like
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: content is polishing so much that it just like all
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, it's just nothing. Yeah, there's no texture,
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: there's no right And to.
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: Take that full circle again, that's kind of what happened
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: with the metal scene twenty eleven twenty twelve kind of
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: time period, because everyone was polishing their turns maybe a
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: little too.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: Much, and the production back then was like getting so
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: uh easy computerized. Yeah, like fake samples were like starting
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: to be more and more uh like you know, drum
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: samples and stuff like that. Like all these mixed engineers
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: who are mixing all all the albums are using all
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: the same samples on every record, and all the guitars
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: are edited perfectly to the grid. And that's one thing
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: that I didn't want to do on this album, was like,
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: yeah I want.
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: To That's where like I kind of wonder like if
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: radio Head, as much as they like they absolutely hate
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: playing Creep, I do kind of wonder like if they
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: just made another Pablo Honey at this point, it's been
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: so far removed they could probably get away with it
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: and it wouldn't They could do it. They could probably
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: do it, And I like I think about that for
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: like other bands, like like let's say you guys do
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: another like another version a single of like close, you know,
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: something close to closest thing to closure. Yeah, it's been
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: that far removed that like you probably could get away
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: with that kind of sound. Yeah that like a lot
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: of people would be like, oh shit, like it's not
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: the same thing, but like it is, this is so
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: far removed that like you guys can't again, like is
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: that like a sort of is that like a like
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: a temptation or is that like a thing that you
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: guys like have to sort of figure out when it
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: comes to new music since it's been that far removed.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: I think that I think that happens naturally, Like I don't.
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: I think that it, Like for me, this record happened
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: naturally because it was like the natural evolution of like
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: what we all felt at the same time, which was
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: touching back to the early two thousand's metal core sound,
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: you know. And also we got to make it new
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: in some way and bring in some modern elements and uh,
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: you know, bring in whatever experiences we have and marry
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: it with that older sound. But but yeah, I think
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: that that just kind of happens naturally, and you can
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: kind of hear it like I've heard it in let
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: me think if I can name an example, but I
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: can off the top of my head. But I've noticed
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: certain bands like releasing stuff that's more true to their
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: original sound lately.
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just like okay, well, yeah, they're they're returning
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: back to something that was special to them at that time.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: I think that's I mean, even like Emory just a
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: couple of years ago, like did like a live album
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: that they like recorded the whole album live and it
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: was like, yeah, it felt very much the the not
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: only because it was live, but also the kind of
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: sound that they were making live felt very much I
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: don't know, like the question kind of era, Like it
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: felt like that kind of heavy era of what or
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: you know maybe uh, I don't know, like uh in
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: Shallow Seas or whatever like that kind of like heavy
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: era of emery. So there. Yeah, I think there are
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: like bands, especially within that sort of you know scene
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: of like Solid State, Tooth and Nail, that are like
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: kind of going back to that kind of sound, and
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: I think for a lot of us are just like
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: that's that's kind of what we're looking for. But also
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: like you want to do it in a way, like
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: especially you want to do that tastefully, Like you don't
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: want to just like we're just doing it because that's
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: what your fans are used to. You want to do
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: it in a way where it feels tasteful.
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, Yeah, So there has to be a new element
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: to everything or else it's going to little stale. Yeah,
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: but yeah, I think just like being able to borrow
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: from your younger self is like it's helpful for me.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: I mean even like I was just talking about going
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: through all those demos like that I that I made
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: years and years ago, and I'm like, I didn't suck
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: as bad as I thought I did. Like some some
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: of these songs are like pretty good, and and where
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: is that now? Like it's still in there somewhere, and
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: like I can I can utilize. It's a tool that
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: I can utilize if I need to, you know, and
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: borrow from my younger self. And yeah, it's still that
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: younger self is still in here somewhere. It's a little
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: more wrinkly now, but yeah, I feel it.
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: All right, Well, should we get into your your guilty
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: pleasure artists?
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, all right, Look, I we played this game
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: at my house. I'm sorry there's a story for everything,
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: but we play this game at my house where we
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: talked about guilty pleasures. But it how do I describe
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: this game? Basically, there's like a like an arm that
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: you can put on a spectrum, right sure, and they
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: give you a card and on one side of the
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: spectrum is one thing and on the other side it's
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: the opposite. And I have to say something, Oh, then
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: they should they hide where the thing is on the spectrum, right,
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: and from everybody else, and I see it, and I
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: have to say something that is going to make them
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: like pick that spot on the spectrum. So, for instance,
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: the idea was guilty pleasure or genuinely good or whatever,
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: like guilty pleasure or pleasure, and I said Creed. Yeah,
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: And so they had to decide. Everybody had to decide,
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: like does Steven these are all I call my best friends,
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: Like does Stephen like Creed or does he it's a
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: guilty pleasure, or like how much of a guilty pleasure
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: is Creed or how much would he like to admit
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: that it's good. It was like leaning towards guilty pleasure
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: for sure. So yeah, Creed is a guilty pleasure of mine. Yes,
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: uh and the natural Uh.
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: Honestly, it's like Creed has come back to a point
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: where it's like, Okay, yes they're guilty pleasure. Will still
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: categorize them as guilty pleasure, and Creed is coming back
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: in a way where it's like they're less guilty pleasure
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: than they were.
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: Five.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: My nephew wears a Creed shirt.
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: They're kind of cool now, they're kind of cool cool.
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and most of my students listen to them on ironically.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: So this is this is the natural progression. Okay, my
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: more guilty pleasure is Nickelback, Like.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: Like I like it. Now.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: Here's the thing. Everything that Nickelback is, I like goes
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: against who I am in a lot of ways. It's
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: like commercialism at its worst. And also their records do
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: sound incredible and the songs are super catchy, so I
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: can't I can't really argue with it, Like it's it's
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: pretty good.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: Dude. You should have grown up in South Dakota when
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: we did. You would have you just wouldn't have been perfect.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: Nickel never went out of style here really.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're just like Nickelback, which just straight two twenties
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: in South Dakota.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: They were got that ram.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, never ended.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: That's good. Do I need to say more?
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, if you want more.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: But also let's just say for for both.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: Nickelback and Creed, let let's just be honest. Both of
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: their guitarists are top absolutely such like that's what makes
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: Nickelback Nickelback, and that's what makes Creed Creed as their
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: guitarists are just some of the best guitarists ever and
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: I just I think we like underestimate them as guitarists,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: and I think like it's the vocals that we sort
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: of like make fun of, But the guitar work is
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: actually legitimately if you separate the vocals and separate the
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: sort of what they I think it's more of like
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: their audience. It's like the vocals and the audience that
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: I think we make fun of. But if you separate
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: that from the guitar work, the guitar work in and
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: of itself is some of the best ever.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay, so you've got creed and you got a nickelback.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, this is Are you going to bring.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: It around to the Holy Trinity and make it five
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: of your death Punch or something like this?
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: No, this is a totally this is a totally not
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: so guilty pleasure, but probably something that people wouldn't assume
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: that I would listen to. But Lizzo Love Oh okay, yeah,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: hell yeah, Like I'm not ashamed to admit it.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: Like she's a good violinist or what huh what'd you say, Lizzo?
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: Like she's like really known for her violin.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: She uh, she's like one of the flute violinists in
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: the world.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: That's what she's like.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: No, I believe that, Actually I believe that.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: I mean I think.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: Her like the whole thing. Like a few like five
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: six years ago, like she like played a violin from
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: Thomas Jefferson and she got in so much trouble for it.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: But it was like a lot of people didn't realize
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: that she's like one of the top violinists in the world. What, Yes,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: I need to look at violinists.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: Apparently I'm a terrible Lizzo fan. I did do a
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: cover of Truth Hurts for.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: She's classic Train is a flute sorry flutist?
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so I knew that, like I knew that.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes I know my instruments clearly.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you gotta do some studying, dude. I mean
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: there are one strings and ones.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: Something.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: That's that's my bad, that's my Yeah.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: It is funny that you would consider a flute a
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: woodwind and not brass.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: It's not.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: Because you don't have there's no read and there's no reed.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: Right Anyway, I did a cover for the company I
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: worked for. They were pitching some songs to Bridgerton and
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: it didn't make it on the show. But I did
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: a cover of truth hurts as like a quartet like
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: because you know how Bridgerton has like a lot of
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: the like vitamin string quartet like covers, and so we pitched,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: we pitched it and it was such a cool cover.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: I wish that I I don't think I still have it,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: but yeah, it was. It was a really cool like
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: string quartet cover of True.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: I gotta ask because typically because we we we have
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: interviewed other artists that like have gone into like sort
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: of the composer. Have you ever sort of like retroactively
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's not the right word, but like okay, there's
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: like music that you're making that's like metal music, right,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: and then let's say there's a director or whoever you're
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: working with that's like that's the kind of music that
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: we're working with or like that's kind of the music
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: that we're thinking. And you're like, well, by the way,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: I like I've got this like you know, hasty day thing,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: like uh, like you know what do you think about this?
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: Like has that ever come across where you're like, hey,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: like I can actually like I've already made this. I
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: don't have to make a new song for you, Like
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: I've already have this song, I already have this kind
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: of music made for you. Has that ever happened?
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: No? And actually it's funny. I've never been asked to
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: do metal like that a while. Yeah, I've never been
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: asked to do metal for.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: Have you ever dreamed of that though? Like is that
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: a thing that you're like, oh, I would love to
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: do that, or like do you feel like you could
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: do that? Well? For what? You know?
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: What I would love, you know? What I'd be What
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: I would be into is if like we own our
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: masters now for the music that we make. It's like
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: coward in dissenter, we own those masters. So what I
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: would not be mad at is if some car commercial
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: wanted to use our song and give us like a
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: car seventy or something.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: It's like the perfect car.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: You think, Toyota, Yaris, I don't care. I'm not a
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: car guy. A Subaru, I don't know.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I could see super.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: I have a Subaru and I have a Toyota, just
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: the most like basic.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: Hey, that's exactly our family.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what we you know.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: I've always I've actually always thought that uh Stitches has
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: kind of a orchestral vibe to an extent that it
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: could work really really.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: Well in Uh, I can see that.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: You know, we always joked that Stitches is a ska song.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: It's it's a it's just like a ska song that's
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: dressed up in like metal core or scream.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: It's a little slower.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, dune none.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: I'm never gonna get that out of my head now
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: that he said that.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: And now listen to it and just add the horns
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: in there. Yeah, God, in your brain.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: That's so good. All right, Steve, When what do you
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: want to play? Obviously the album, I would imagine we'll
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: probably get this episode out around the time that it
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: gets out. But like obviously new album comes out in
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: basically what is it like eight days, nine days something
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: Uh, yes, Oh my god, is that really all we have?
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: It's twenty second comes out on the first. How many days.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: Are nine days from now from the time that we're recording.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, yes it is. We got a lot
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: of rehearsal to do, dude. We've got a show on
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: the third in Nashville, and so we start rehearsals next
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: week around this time next week, all the guys will
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: be here at my house and we will be rehearsing
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: for this Nashville show. Then I'm stoked about that. So wait,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: what am I doing? What do I have to plug?
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean yeah, shows obviously, the albums coming out. Yeah,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: whatever you want to play.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we've got that Patreon Okay, yeah that's right.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah that just came out.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: Yes, so go check that out because you can live
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: stream the shows from there.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: Get on the coward level.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, get on the cowards, Join the cowards. Let's see
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: what else. We've got a lot more shows coming up,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: a lot. We've got some a show in California, in Arizona,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: Washington State, and Oregon. So if you live around any
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: of those areas, yes, come come hang out with us
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: because we want to see you. So hell yeah.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: And yeah, are you doing pre orders or anything like
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: that on the on the album.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: Yes. So we have a pre order open and we
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: just found out some bad news that are vinyl will
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: not be ready until June first.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: Month, people, so people keep ordering it though.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: People can keep ordering it. So we were going to
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: close the pre order down last last Friday and so
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: that we had time to ship everybody's stuff, you know,
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: but uh, yeah, the vinyl is held up, and I
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: guess that's how it goes.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: So Taylor Swift probably still putting out that fucking album
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: whatever she's doing.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what is she up to these days?
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: She's just she's always delayed the whole vinyl process, is
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: what I've heard.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, it's just like all those vinyls that
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: go to target man because it's cool now, although hey,
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: CDs have made a comeback now, apparently that's true.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: I still have my CD and my CD collection running
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: through the through the old CD player.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: So yeah, you still have a CD player.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got a pretty nice one.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: That's awesome. Like is it like a five disc changer?
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: Yep, five disc changer and uh uh set up to
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: my receiver and my vintage receivers today. That's right.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, burn copies probably I had burn copies.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: I feel that I definitely have a tackle Wolf King
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: write like literally five feet away from me in a
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: box somewhere. It's in a box.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: We bought it. We bought it together.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: Mason.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: I remember Watercursion the DBD Yeah, okay, I was going
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: to bring that up earlier. I do remember on that
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: DVD you guys were talking about how nerdy you guys were. Yeah, yes,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: I don't know why I remember that. I don't remember.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: I don't know why I remember that. But you guys
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: were like, we're so and cool. Yeah, so you know
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: it's a sentiment that that you've you've kept going for
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: a while.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: Zac Efron is on that DVD?
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: Is he really.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: Really? No? Way?
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you'll just watch it, you'll see him jack, No.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: No, he was. He was kind of a young kid though, right.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he was still doing high school musical.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: Damn, good grief, that's wild. Like what what was he?
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: He was the one that was on like, uh the
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: high school musical thing? Right?
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just said that Mason way to listen.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: Clearly not what what is what zach Efron's uh connection
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: with hast today is it? Is it a he? Or
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: is is he's just a fan of Solid State? What's
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: his what's his thing?
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a big fan. He was at one of
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: the shows. Yeah, that's amazing. Really did a stage a
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: stage Yeah?
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: Is this the one where he does a stage dive
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: with the basketball in his hand? Uh?
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so many?
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: Dude.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: We've taken up so much of your time. We better
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: let you go man.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: Dude, is that this is fun? Fun conversation.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: Good good Stephen, thanks so much for for hanging out, yeah,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: chatting him out the new album. Uh, I'm telling you,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: it's all the songs. I know. Colin has not listened
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: to a song, literally, not a second of any song.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: I have listened to at least one single. Uh, the
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: one single I've heard If it's any representation of the
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: rest of the album, it's probably for are going to
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: be a top five favorite album of the year for us.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: I'm just so excited for it. It's classic Haste Today.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: It's some of the best Hasty Today I've ever heard
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: of my life. So I'm super excited for it. So
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: uh yeah, Cullen, I know is going to be excited
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: once it fully is out in just a few days.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: I'm already excited about it. So it's just it's gonna
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: be some of the best. So I'm excited for it,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: and hopefully we see you guys. You know, see you
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: guys sometime soon. I know you've got like all those
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: West coast states. Hopefully you play sometime in the Midwest,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: and hopefully we get to see you sometime soon.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, we we want to make it out there.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: We're slowly making it around. We'll get killed a few
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: few shows a year. Well, we'll get out there. At
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: some point.
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  Speaker 2: We get hell yeah, so cool, sweet Well, thank you
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  Speaker 2: so much man.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you.
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