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Episode #131: Joel Salatin STARTS a FOOD MOVEMENT to Stop Your Food From Being Radiated · Beyond Labels Premium

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_01: This whole thing has come back with a vengeance now with new pending legislation where they're wanting to create antennas broadcasting boluses for cows, so cows would swallow transmitters and it would monitor uh their guts.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_01: And a lot of this is being done under the guise of climate change and global warming to monitor methane and burps and farts and you know those kinds of things, and to create an internet of things around your farm.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_00: Hi, welcome to Beyond Labels.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_00: I'm Dr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Cena McKella, and I'm here with our favorite farmer, Joel Salatin.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_00: Today is going to be a really interesting podcast because Joel has been diving into the topic of precision agriculture.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_00: That's a big buzzword now.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Joel's going to walk us through what he thinks is the good, the bad, and the ugly.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_00: Take it away, Joel.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, wow.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_01: So, so um precision agriculture is something that you're going to be hearing more and more about.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_01: The first time I heard the term was at a big European agriculture symposium that I was a part of in the Netherlands about, I don't know, maybe uh nine years ago.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_01: And uh that was the first time I really heard the codification of the term precision agriculture.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_01: But it has become more and more ubiquitous within agriculture.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_01: And um, and I think I think I want to dice it this way.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um, of course, the industry is presenting this as the be all and end all to everything, you know.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um it's part of the internet of things, and it's part of the it's part of the the the the kind of the wireless mesh, the the nodes of everything.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_01: And it's interesting to me that uh that you know we know cities are quite wired.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_01: Uh there are now antennas everywhere in in a city, right?
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_01: But rural America um uh still has a lot of big dead zones.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_01: Uh you know, no cell phone works in our house, for example.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_01: And uh so it's one of the reasons I don't carry a smartphone because you know I can't use it anywhere here.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and so this kind of um developed several years ago here in the US with the beginning of radio frequency identification tags in livestock.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_01: That was kind of the first big uh thing, uh radio frequency identification tags.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_01: And um there was a lot of publicity about mandating these RFID tags in cattle.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_01: And of course, some of us who were very opposed to it thought if we're gonna RFID something, we probably ought to RFID the ears of congressmen and senators, and then we'd know where they are.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_01: But it it was all part of uh being able to track.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_01: So so this is all part of tracking, and and I want us to think broadly about this.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_01: Think about how we are being tracked.
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  SPEAKER_01: And imagine if every cow was tracked, every pig was tracked.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um and one of the problems with the whole RFID program was that it was extremely scale prejudicial.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_01: The the basic you know software package to support the tagging was a certain cost, whether you had five cows or a thousand cows.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_01: Well, if it's you know$20,000, it's one thing.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_01: If you have a thousand cows, it's quite another if you have five cows.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_01: And for example, uh one of the big ones was um was the poultry industry.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_01: If you had, if you were a vertical integrator with Tyson or Purdue or or or um you know Cargill or somebody, you just could get one uh chicken tag for an entire house, an entire flock, because it's all flock in, all flock out.
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  SPEAKER_01: But if you're a farmer like me, we had to get one for every single chicken.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_01: Well, they're about five dollars a piece.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_01: So the one you get five dollars for an entire 20,000 bird house, that's acceptable.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_01: Or somebody like me has to get five dollars per chicken times 4,000 chickens is you know, it, it, it, it, um, it becomes very price discriminatory.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_01: So, bottom line was the RFID tag team kind of kind of faded into oblivion, and many of us thought, oh, you know, we kind of wiped our heads off and said, Well, okay, you know, we kind of we kind of won that one.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_01: But this whole thing has come back with a vengeance now, um, with new pending legislation where um where they're wanting to create antennas, uh broadcasting boluses for cows.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_01: So cows would swallow uh little um uh transmitters, and it would monitor uh their guts.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_01: And a lot of this is being done under the guise of climate change and global warming to monitor methane and burps and farts and you know those kinds of things, and um and and to create an internet of things uh around your farm.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_01: The you know, it's one thing, and and so I gotta admit, you know, this is a it's a tension for me because on our farm, we have struggled and struggled and struggled in our farm store, for example, to handle um credit cards.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_01: Many times the internet, you know, our very fragile internet thing goes out, and then you know, somebody wants to buy you, you can't handle a transaction.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_01: But there's a big difference, and Cena, you might be able to shed a little bit of light on this in the in the science of it, but there's a big difference between the the electromagnetic frequencies and kind of the the the the overall um uh what's called the you know the the the kind of the wireless mesh, if you will, um or some people are calling it the digital gulag.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right, but there's a big difference between a physical cable, a physical broadband cable laid in the ground, versus broadcasting antennas everywhere.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_01: And uh and this this whole EMF thing has really uh come to the forefront on on the on the discussion around this.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_01: Cena, do you have anything you can shed on that?
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I've been looking into this because um, you know, a friend of ours brought this to our attention, and it's been it's actually very concerning to me because EMF mitigation is uh of paramount importance in my life because I happen to be one of the people who is sensitive to EMFs.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_00: So I've studied this field uh in great detail and have done mitigation all around me uh for over a decade now.
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  SPEAKER_00: So one of the things that's concerning to me is it's like what what you're saying, Joel, it is very different, like running a fiber optic cable, right, is going to be very different than like turning on a Wi-Fi router or living right under a cell tower.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_00: And we do have uh a lot of now independent research studies that have shown that the biology of the body, like the physiology of the body, is changed when you are in proximity to these man-made EMFs, right?
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_00: So there's naturally made EMFs, like the sun emits EMFs, but we're talking about the man-made EMFs.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_00: And lots of studies have shown this, even holding a cell phone in one hand and they'll draw blood from the hand.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_00: I believe it was like five minutes of holding the cell phone, and it changed the shape of the red blood cells and made them stickier, right?
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_00: So it made the blood more viscous.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_00: So there's there's that's just one study.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_00: There's lots of studies showing this.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's people now who are studying this in livestock as well.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_00: And one of the reasons is because of precision agriculture.
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  SPEAKER_00: So um this weekend I went on uh was searching to see what is the government's stance on this, and I found the government accountabilities, the government accountability office um conducted basically a report, and they just released it, they just published it January 31st of this year.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_00: So when you look at their report, the first page of this report has this picture, and I'm very visual, so this is very helpful for me.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_00: It's actually showing all the different ways in which the livestock or the plants could actually be exposed to EMFs.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_00: Now, that wasn't their intention behind creating that diagram, right?
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_00: The GAO came out and their concern about um the integrity of the system.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_00: And we can get into that, okay?
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_00: Like foreign entities hacking into the system and stuff.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_00: That's what that report's about.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_00: But to answer your question, this picture is a very good graphic, and we'll link to it in the show description because it shows a farm and it shows the crops and the cows.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_00: And then what it what it also shows is so there's um a cell tower that's having some kind of satellite on it.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_00: And there's a satellite, there's an imagery satellite, there's a GPS satellite, there's communications satellite, right?
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_00: And they're all bouncing these signals off.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so that's coming down onto the farm as well, right?
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_00: The EMFs from from the air.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then there's also a base station.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_00: So some of this, some of these technologies require different stations to be set up that are all can that are also emitting some type of radiation.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um, there's data exchange services set up.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then there's the equipment too.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_00: So sometimes the precision agriculture involves, for instance, um automated mechanical weeders or uh driverless tractors, for instance.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_00: And so these are all emitting um some from some form to some degree of EMFs because they're having to sense things, right?
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um, there's also technology that's like a remote sensing platform.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_00: So drones um could be sensing and they're going to be sending out some kind of um radiation because they're sensing ground robots can be used.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um there's in-ground sensors, that's another technology that can be used.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_00: And this one is used according to the GAO to provide farmers with near real-time information on the soil and plant properties like temperature, moisture, and nutrients.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_00: Then you also have targeted spray systems.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_00: So these use machine learning like AI in order to be able to precisely spray things in certain spots, you know.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_00: So you can see an upside, right?
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, if you're gonna use chemicals, uh, yes, just selectively spray so you don't get as much spray all over and you don't get the runoff into our, you know, the water system and the soil.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_00: But again, that targeted spray system is emitting some kind of signal.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_00: It's gonna involve radiation to some extent, as with the the automated uh mechanical weeder.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_00: So one of my big concerns in terms of what you've talked about so far is this near, it could be a near-chronic exposure to some type of radiation.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So so I had a I was on a call just uh a couple of weeks ago with an attorney who's in this space who is trying to fight for um for farmer um for for land uh protection.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_01: In other words, right now there are there are um legislative legislative attempts to make all these towers um to be able to put them in by imminent domain.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_01: So that so that if I as a landowner don't want one of these towers on my property, I can't stop a company from putting a tower on my property.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_01: They'll do it by imminent domain.
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  SPEAKER_01: So this is this is developing.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_01: And so this this uh uh I talked with this attorney who's been involved a lot with France, and she told me that um in France, just in the last two months, they had a court ordered stop of a cell tower that was put up on a on a dairy farm in France, and immediately the farm the farmer was milking about 200 cows, and the milk production dropped about 15 to 20 percent immediately, and 40 of his 200 cows died.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, and so he sued, he sued the cell tower company and got a an injunction to turn it off uh until they could do some more research.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Cena, I think I think one of the biggest problems here, and we've done this, we've dealt with this so many times that that this stuff is done without real testing.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_01: There's not there's not any real-time testing.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um we we know now that some of the um some of the COVID jabs were done after literally, you know two weeks of testing with, you know, a handful of rats, for example.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: I mean it just it it's extremely it's extremely minuscule.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_01: And so um when I was asking, I was on this kind of conference call with with this attorney and with other people in this space, and uh, and they said literally no safety studies, I'm quoting here, no safety safety studies have been done in France or here.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_01: Uh no safety studies have been done about this.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's just it's a juggernaut and it's going and it and it's uh it's 5G.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_01: Now, probably in the U.S., the veterinarian who is most uh up on this is Dr.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_01: Will Winter.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_01: Will Winter is the veterinarian for Thousand Hills Cattle Company out in um out in Iowa, Minnesota, and um and he has developed um uh jamming jamming instruments and uh for these for farmers.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_01: And uh and and according to him, um they're seeing some some pretty amazing differences, especially where there is a um whatever, a confluence of these EMFs in a place.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I was just last week in Utah at the Soil Health in the West conference, and two vendors there were selling fenceless systems.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_01: So this is a this is a collar that goes around a cow and it has a transponder on the bottom, and you can take your computer.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_01: It it's uh if you're familiar with um um like like uh dog fence, you know, buried dog fence systems where a dog wears a collar and you've got this, you know, uh fence around your property.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, electric fence.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, okay.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but it it yeah, it it's a transmitter though.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_01: The the dog is wearing a transmitter, yeah.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_01: That that when they come close to that buried line, it whatever, beep, beep, beeps or whatever.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_01: And if if they get too close, then it shocks them, right?
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_01: And and so uh that's fine.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_01: Um but this the the this this is where you can take your imagine you've got your property, you go to your computer and you draw lines where you want the cows to go today, and these transponders um emit signals to the cow that allow the cow, and again, it shocks them.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_01: If the cow goes where you don't want to go, it it shocks the cow, and the cows learn what the signal is just prior to being shocked, okay?
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and and so you know, uh, so so the the cow um doesn't have to get shocked as long as she has enough discipline to understand, okay, that means I'm gonna get shocked, so I better stop here.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_01: And basically, it's a way to put a herd of cows in a place uh with no fence because of this collar on them.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_01: I was just the Virginia Farm Show had their big Virginia farm show uh three weeks ago.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_01: I went there and for the and we go every year because we like to take the apprentices, and everybody likes to go.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody likes to go and see all the things that we don't have to buy, you know.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_01: And uh once in a while there's something that that we find that's useful, but most of the time it's you know, it's it's big industry and it's all you know stuff that we don't use much.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_01: And uh the thing that I noticed this year for the first time, there were at least four, maybe six uh uh vendors for the first time who had huge, huge drones.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_01: Uh these were like, you know, um uh seven foot, seven-foot wingspans, they could carry almost a hundred pounds.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um and and you know, of course, you know, I'd like to see a drone big enough to pick up a bureaucrat and haul him away.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_01: But anyway, uh without regards to that, um so so these things have a can carry a big payload, and um, and so I this uh Cena, this is a this is a juggernaut.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_01: I I just see this happening all over.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_01: And uh one of the things that on this call that came in that I thought was was interesting was that um that you can't have you can't have efficiency and security.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_01: So uh anybody that knows me knows I don't know anything about all this, you know, this technology stuff.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_01: But I thought that was a very interesting thing.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_01: That the whole idea of this precision agriculture, the internet of things, and and and um and locking up every and and creating every square inch of farmland into broadcasting into a database, not only does it broadcast all this EMF everywhere that we don't know what that's gonna cause, but secondly, it it creates a complete um data tracking service into whatever, you know, a database into the universe.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_01: And and and the more efficient it is, the less security you have.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_01: Things that are that are kind of clonky and inefficient, you can have all sorts of of of um of protections against hacking and against getting into it.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_01: But as this becomes more and more ubiquitous, it becomes more and more hackable and and more and more invasive.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_01: So at the at the end of the um at the end of the call, it struck me that if and and I'm just gonna say when or as farmers begin um opting into this, here's here's what's gonna develop, Cena.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um number one, all these technologies are capital intensive and they have built-in obsolescence.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_01: So as soon as a farmer says, raises his hand, says, Yeah, I'm in, I want to invest, I want to buy this, now he's suddenly become um a dependent on a capital-intensive technology that's gonna have to be replaced every two or three years, every two or three years.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_01: So suddenly farmers have now become uh techno-addicts, addicts within the system.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_01: Number two, number two, the the uh the parrot of the worldview, the um, you know, the parameters of this precision agriculture, it it struck me.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_01: I I am never if I went into it and I submitted my, for example, soil soil test to it, it is never going to tell me um you need to put on compost.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_01: It's never gonna say you need compost.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_01: Or if I have this in my Cargill chicken house, okay, and I have, you know, in its senses an avian influenza issue, it is never gonna tell me, spit out, um, you know, you should probably turn these chickens out onto pasture and let them get exercise and fresh air and sunshine.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_01: Are you with me, Cena?
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_01: The the the point is that that the entire umbrella uh network of of um X it's like a it's like an ag Alexia.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_01: And and and so my soundbite for this is um this ag Alexia is like putting uh uh Dr.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_01: Fauci in charge of your farm.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, you know, because it's not it's not going to say do something unorthodox, do something different, do something creative.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it's all going to be strictly the orthodox narrative of whatever it is today.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, do you really want Bill Gates and John Kerry to have direct radio access to your cow's stomach?
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, really?
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, you know, that that that's the question.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_01: And so, and so not so.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: There's there's several pieces of this to unwrap.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_01: One is just the EMF, the the the suffocating chronic EMF frequency on everything.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_01: That's one.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_01: Number two is the complete knowledge of somebody of everything on your place.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_01: I mean it's it's like you you have just taken all your clothes off.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you are naked, you are naked before the world of of Bill Gates and the World Economic Forum, uh, and whatever their agenda is, and whatever their plans are for your farm, your cows, your crops, you are you are naked before them because you have opened, you have exposed every square inch of your place to their you know um their agenda.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_01: And then the third is this whole um this whole economic uh um you know addiction to the the the techno the techno sophistication infrastructure.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, and I I'll piggyback on you sum that up so well, and I was like, oh my gosh, there's so much I want to add into here.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, yeah.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_00: So in terms of like it's a privacy issue, right?
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_00: And you're opening yourself up there.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's like now you're an open, um, they see the ins and outs in every single little thing, right?
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_00: And while you are transparent and you you have an open door policy on your farm, this is something way beyond that, right?
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_00: Because they're gonna be able to track um every animal or the soil conditions, every plant, you know, and that actually opens somebody up to also more stringent regulations, right?
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_00: When they have that much more data, it's easier for them to say, oh, now we're gonna change this policy, you know.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_00: This is what you, if you wanna, especially if you're a farmer getting funding from the government, right?
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_00: In order to get your funding, or if you don't change this, we're gonna pull the funding, right?
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's always that slippery slope, right?
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I have a lot of concerns with that for the protection of the farmers and their farm.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um, the other thing that I love that you were touching on, because I wrote this down too, is that the system is gonna be based on, in my assumption, the system will be based on mainstream industrialized farming.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_00: And just like we see with um food policies, right?
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_00: We saw this with the bioengineered food policy.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_00: It will probably largely be structured by, you know, a bureaucrat, or, you know, it's not gonna be like, oh, let's all get the people together and vote for how we want our food to be monitored and you know, um, they're not gonna do that.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and it's not gonna say if you want to try hydroxychloroquine, try it.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, it's not gonna say that.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_00: It's not gonna have these alternative things, right?
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_00: And so when you so you're you have to basically sign on to, okay, I will comply with what they determine.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_00: And then that is, we've talked about this at our last um polyface summit, our beyond label summit this this last year, where I mention that science is so overreaching, right?
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_00: The science isn't even real science anymore, that it's actually um a tool.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_00: It's a political tool uh for people in power to be able to use at their whim.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_00: So they can easily just be like, oh, well, these studies, right?
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_00: These studies that are funded by the National Health and Institute of Health, about the government funding, have shown this, right?
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I wonder how they actually showed that, right?
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_00: So we have studies to support that this is the way that you need to now do your farming.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_00: And it's because of, you know, it's gonna help with global warming, it's gonna decrease soil erosion, right?
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_00: Just because they now have these quote unquote studies to show it.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_00: And so you're now buying into that system and you're having to buy into that they pick the right assumptions, right?
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_00: When they're modeling, these are all based on modeling things.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_00: We don't even have great biomarkers yet.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_00: That's then one of your concerns with some of the food labels that have come out and have wanted to be like, oh, we're gonna use these biomarkers.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_00: And so this food label is superior now, right?
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_00: It's more, it's it's improved.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_00: Well, part of that is you have to agree on biomarkers that, and then you have to be like, okay, this biomarker means we need to do X.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_00: This biomarker means we need to do Y, right?
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_00: And we don't that's more of an industrialized mechanical approach to it, right?
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_00: Whereas, like what you do, I've described it as it's more of a dance.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_00: It's there's an art to it, it's not plug and play into a computer, into some model that somebody came up with who probably has no idea about what real healthy farming is, right?
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_00: So they can't possibly fathom what solution you may, you know, it what output you may actually come up with if you had a problem on your farm, right?
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_00: So there's all those intricacies in just the modeling of it itself, right?
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_00: Then we get into what you talked about with the hacking.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_00: And I want to just touch on briefly what the government accountability office reported, because this was their big concern with precision agriculture.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm gonna, this is a quote from their report.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_00: It says the danger is not just cyber attacks, all right, but there's other dangers like natural disasters, right?
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_00: Think of it takes down the towers, right?
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_00: If it's if it stops the communication, um, either the cell tower or one of these smaller towers or a satellite or whatnot, right?
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_00: Then what do you do?
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_00: The system kind of falls apart, right?
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_00: But they also point out dangers with terrorist attacks, um, equipment breakdown, and also insider threats.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_00: And so if you scroll down in the report, they have a category called foreign access to unmanned aerial system data.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_00: And they say the major unmanned aerial system equipment manufacturers in precision agricultural market are dominated by foreign built systems.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so we have foreign countries who are predominantly making this equipment that's going to be used for um these aerial systems.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_00: And it says uh the GAO goes on to say a foreign government having access to sensor collection from an unmanned aerial system provider could create national security issues.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_00: A foreign government um being able to aggregate important agricultural information on the United States or identify and image critical infrastructure is also a potential threat.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_00: And then they go on to say that there's unscrupulous sale of confidential data, that the confidential data could be used against the farmers on the commodity market.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_00: And they had actually already identified at least one insider threat of a company um being approached with offers to sell their data under the table to commodity brokers or hedge funds, right?
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_00: So this is already happening.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and they go on to say that so this was the highest impact threat that they identified.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um it's called intentional falsification of data to disrupt crop or livestock sectors.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_00: So what they're saying is if you have uh what they're calling a malicious actor, okay, a malicious actor can publicly release false data mimicking actual farm data prior to or during during a livestock disease outbreak, like foot and mouth disease.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it could actually take months to resolve to the satisfaction of the agriculture and foreign trade markets.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_00: The same scenario would apply in crops with the allegation of a crop disease or improper mixing of restricted GMO products into the food supply chain.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_00: And they said that this is the highest impact threat identified overall.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_00: And they said it is an easy threat, quote, an easy threat to potentially manifest as it does not rely on original access to real data.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_00: So you see what I'm saying?
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_00: The GAO is saying you can fake data and it's public, you know, put it out to the public, and then we have a food crisis.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_00: What happens if they fake the data and then they start killing the livestock, right?
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_00: Faking that the disease.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_00: You can usually see how a foreign entity can come in, fake the data, hack the data, fake it, and mess with our food supply.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_01: So, so uh seeing uh as we're out of time, I I think it's I think it's worth asking.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_01: You know, this may be, this may be a new kind of, you know, we've said, you know, know your farmer, know your food.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_01: We've talked about uh obviously we're we're beyond labels, right?
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_01: And so um, and so we have talked about how to sleuth, how to vet your farmer, and it could be, it could be that for our for our listeners out there, I'm thinking about, you know, and for me, a new question to ask a farmer is are you in precision agriculture?
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you can just you can just ask uh are you broadcasting any of your farm data to a you know, like a to a to a global node, to a global network.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_01: And and this could be a new um, you know, personal verification thing.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_01: And and and so that those of us farmers who are trying to be, you know, authentic and not uh go down this path, we maybe need to start messaging we are we are not doing the precision agriculture thing and just and just go ahead and be proactive and make it very clear.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um, just like we don't use chemical fertilizers or we don't use GMOs or whatever else, you know, we're not using the precision agriculture and just start creating a line of demarcation now.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, because I I am confident, Sina, I am confident, senior, that just like organics refuses to take a position on vaccinations and mRNAs, I guarantee you organic is not going to take a position on precision agriculture.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and so so this becomes another one of those those litmus tests, those, those benchmarks that that we can that can actually assist us in in arriving at a decision quickly, okay, I can I you know I want to patronize this farmer, I don't want to patronize that farmer.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um it become it becomes a nice a nice uh a quick way to to vet.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I I'm so passionate about this one, and I am right there with you.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think that the organics is gonna differentiate between this.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_00: Like I'd be interested to know, are there actually organic farmers right now that are using this?
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, do you know of any that are using precision agriculture?
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_01: No, I don't I don't know of any right now, but I'm not I'm I'm not in that space very much, you know.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_00: And so uh Okay, well I'll find out.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'll find out.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_01: But but but I I can sure I can assure you that there are there are organic farmers certainly using these, you know, these transponders around the neck of a cow.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure there are people doing that.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um and and and nobody knows what effect it has on the cow.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_01: You know, does it does it does it get into the meat?
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_01: Does it affect frequency in meat?
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I mean, what's the you know, uh, we don't know those kinds of things.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so yeah, I'm right on board with you.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_00: I think we uh we start a movement, yeah.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_00: You know, like you said, it's gonna come from the people.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_00: So this is gonna be a market-driven uh solution.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_01: And so yeah, so so just like GMOs became a market thing, you know, maybe precision agriculture is gonna be a thing.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_01: And we need to see people starting to use the term and um and and you know, uh in their discussions, say, well, I'm not buying precision ag food.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe it'll be uh PA, you know, PA food.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we can't we can't use big words anymore.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but but let let's let's bring this discussion to the marketplace and and to our our normal, you know, just our discussions with friends and and stuff, because this is the kind of thing, Cena, that I think will will be widely will be widely adopted within the food farm sector before the average person has a clue that it's even.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and once it's there and they have that infrastructure in place, that's going to be nearly impossible to get that removed.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_00: So we got to act now.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_00: So, and all if it helps you at all, I am happy to go through the literature and pull scientific studies to support the potential harm to the animals and to the foods, right?
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want my foods radiated.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm happy to do that, you know.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_00: And if our listeners want that kind of information, let us know and we'll send it out to you.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_00: So you can also post it, send it to your friends.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_00: If you're a farmer, you could post it on your website and have actual data sitting there to back it up.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I'm happy to help with that.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_00: I know we're out of time.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_00: Can you just really quickly tell us?
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_00: You said there's pending legislation to put antennas up and they're moving toward uh the it might they might go through eminent domain.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_00: Is that part of the legislation where they can now they'll legally be able to use eminent domain to put up these towers?
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I am I am actually not up.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_01: Here, here are bills that came through on this on this phone call.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_01: Um, HR 3557, which I assume is House Resolution 3557, um where that one preempts local antenna zoning, uh including environmental review.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it has passed the Energy and Commerce Committee and make it hold into a must-pass reauthorization of the National Telecommunications and Information Administration.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_01: There's another one, uh HR 6492, uh, that apparently um it has passed unanimously by the Natural Resources Committee.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and that would prevent states and parks from um from keeping uh the the uh cell towers out of parks and uh public areas.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um uh what's another one here?
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um uh HR and then there's a couple more here.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_01: Uh HR 5062 that establishes a farmer user fee for broadband funding.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um HR six five five four uh that gives uh tax credits to farmers to purchase rooftop antenna transmitters.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_01: So there's it's almost more than you can handle.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_01: You know, there's stuff going on, and and um uh if if we have if we have cried wolf without enough background, this this particular podcast, Zena, uh guilty as charged, okay.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um uh we'll we'll sleuth it out this a little bit for uh faster, but all of this just came across my world here just in the last couple of weeks.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_01: And I wanted to go ahead and share a little bit of what I'm hearing, what I'm seeing, what I'm seeing at farm shows, and just get everybody up to speed to realize this is a this is a juggernaut, I think, that's coming to our farm and food space.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_01: And um, and it will, it will, and the the momentum, like all these things, the momentum is in their favor in a lot of ways right now.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_01: And it's all being touted to have a safer food system, to have fewer diseases, to be, you know, to be helpful to the farmer, to reduce greenhouse gases.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you know, this is all the justification of it.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, just like the justification was to, you know, feed dead cows to cows and we can grow better beef and cheaper beef, and 30 years later we get mad cow disease.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, um uh there's a there's a lot going on here.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_01: I wish we could unpack it more.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_01: I, you know, I apologize for not having better and more information, but I thought this was so important and cutting edge that we needed to go ahead and bring it to our people that that there is stuff going on here in this space, uh, and we'll try to keep you abreast of it.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for listening to this uh Beyond Labels podcast, and we look forward to visiting with you next week.