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  Speaker 1: I just think he misrepresented himself here in just a
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  Speaker 1: horrible fashion by not you know, my staying f U.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go take balls at.
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  Speaker 3: Short A special request here from a Jan Kratz in
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  Speaker 3: the weeds Zach Wheeler profile piece from mac.
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  Speaker 4: Elbe I think it was, yeah, and one of.
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  Speaker 3: The headliners here it is Zack Wheeler's wead, the ace
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  Speaker 3: who knows what he likes and has no time for
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  Speaker 3: everything else. One of the headliners was he is done
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  Speaker 3: with baseball when his contract expires at the end of
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  Speaker 3: the twenty twenty seven season.
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  Speaker 5: Twenty five, Charlie Morton said that for like ten years
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  Speaker 5: in a row and kept signing like one year twenty
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  Speaker 5: million dollar deals.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, if Wheelers pitching like this, he's going to
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  Speaker 3: be getting one year forty five million dollar offers.
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  Speaker 4: He's a top five.
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  Speaker 3: Pitcher in the sport, and he's saying that he has
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  Speaker 3: three years left in him and hey, he might be
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  Speaker 3: a very different looking pitcher in two and a half
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  Speaker 3: seasons from now, but also he might still be a
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  Speaker 3: pretty good number one starter in baseball. And if that's
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  Speaker 3: the case, you don't often see guys step aside completely
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  Speaker 3: on top do you think that good for him if
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  Speaker 3: he does it? Do you think he'll do it if
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  Speaker 3: he's Wheeler?
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  Speaker 5: I don't think. I don't know Zach Wheeler that well,
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  Speaker 5: but he doesn't seem like a guy that's going to
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  Speaker 5: go back on his word. Okay, I like it. Listen.
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  Speaker 5: This article is crazy. It's awesome. I love it. Listen.
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  Speaker 5: If you want to know how different people are in life,
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  Speaker 5: just read this article. Because there's this, there's Zach Wheeler,
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  Speaker 5: and then there's like ninety nine percent of the other
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  Speaker 5: baseball guys that are all involved. So we're gonna dig
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  Speaker 5: in here a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, So he barely looks at his phone when he's
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  Speaker 3: with his family.
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  Speaker 4: He essentially puts it away.
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  Speaker 5: I love that. I wish I could do that.
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  Speaker 4: That's hard.
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  Speaker 5: It's really hard. Yeah, it's hard. I'm proud of it
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  Speaker 5: for that. That's hard, man. I mean because I got
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  Speaker 5: Scott texting me what time do I need to be
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  Speaker 5: down for dinner at night? Like right? So it's hard
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  Speaker 5: for me not to look at my phone. What time
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  Speaker 5: do I need to be there to wash your car?
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  Speaker 5: Am I cutting the grass? So I got to answer,
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  Speaker 5: I got to answer. I got to answer the kids.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, Aja, is dinner at night or is that breakfast?
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  Speaker 4: I'm so confused.
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  Speaker 3: But Aj is just a nice guy replying to everyone
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  Speaker 3: for Zach Wheeler, he also is not the healthiest eater.
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  Speaker 3: He also is not a big gym guy.
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  Speaker 5: I love that too. Pictures. Okay, Chris, you and I
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  Speaker 5: can have this conversation. The old saying can't pull fat? Right,
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  Speaker 5: where does it come from? Baseball players? You got to
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  Speaker 5: have some fat on your body to move around because
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  Speaker 5: it shields your muscles from pulling. And I'm all for
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  Speaker 5: lifting weights and I'm all for eating healthy, but I
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  Speaker 5: think at this point in society, especially baseball side, we've
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  Speaker 5: taken it to an extreme. Why do I think? And
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  Speaker 5: I could be way until all the people on Twitter
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  Speaker 5: and all the people in the comments can tell me
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  Speaker 5: I'm wrong. But there's a way where you get too
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  Speaker 5: ripped and you get too big, and you get too strong,
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  Speaker 5: and then you can't move as efficiently and you're not
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  Speaker 5: your body can't do it, and after time and time
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  Speaker 5: you get tired. I mean I worked out almost every
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  Speaker 5: day that I played, especially like later in my career,
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  Speaker 5: like the last like ten to twelve years. I worked
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  Speaker 5: out almost every day. But it wasn't a heavy lift.
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  Speaker 5: It was a let's get the blood flowing. I were
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  Speaker 5: on the road, It's two o'clock. Boom, boom. I want
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  Speaker 5: to get some blood flowing. I ride the bike for
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  Speaker 5: twenty minutes, just get blood moving. And did I eat
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  Speaker 5: great on the road. I don't think it was. It
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  Speaker 5: was impossible back you know then, different times, different times now,
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  Speaker 5: but you still got of mixes of fat. Wampierre was
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  Speaker 5: one of the most jag dudes I've ever seen in
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  Speaker 5: my life. I played with him for years. He ate
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  Speaker 5: like seven ice cream bars a day and was jack
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  Speaker 5: and he would tell you, like, you gotta put some
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  Speaker 5: fat in your body.
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  Speaker 3: But to me, that's like you're born with a gift.
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  Speaker 3: Your metabolism's off the charts, your athleticism's off the charts.
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  Speaker 4: You're an outlier. Here's the story that stood out.
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  Speaker 3: Apparently last season, Ryan Kirkering stepped into the gym and
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  Speaker 3: saw a diet coke bottle with a sticky note on
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  Speaker 3: it and it's had wheels.
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  Speaker 4: Kirkering was confused.
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  Speaker 3: Someone told him when Wheeler works out the few times
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  Speaker 3: he does a year, he treats himself to a diet,
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  Speaker 3: coke cheat drink.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, there's they're gonna study Zach Wheeler. Zach Wheeler
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  Speaker 6: had Tommy John surgery in twenty fifteen. How long do
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  Speaker 6: we say Tommy John surgery is last six years, seven
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  Speaker 6: eight years? Maybe he's now in his tenth year. If
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  Speaker 6: you think the answer is you have to lift, you
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  Speaker 6: have to do this, you have to do that, maybe
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  Speaker 6: it's not. Maybe you know all you got you can't
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  Speaker 6: have any gluten, you can't have any dairy, you can't
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  Speaker 6: have any all this stuff. And I was somebody when
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  Speaker 6: I played. I was very strict into that stuff, and
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  Speaker 6: I made it kind of a lifestyle change. But you
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  Speaker 6: obviously you can't be a bodybuilder. So I think it's
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  Speaker 6: the two extremes. If Zach Wheeler wasn't healthy, people would
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  Speaker 6: say you got to check out, you gotta be in
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  Speaker 6: the weight room more it because he stayed healthy and
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  Speaker 6: he's pitched at an elite level tons of innings for
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  Speaker 6: essentially ten years. On this most recent Tommy John surgery,
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  Speaker 6: you're gonna have to look at it. This dude is
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  Speaker 6: physically gifted too. He is a monster. He is long, lanky,
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  Speaker 6: repeatable mechanics. So who knows. Maybe this will open some
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  Speaker 6: eyes to some people, but there'd be a lot of
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  Speaker 6: strength coaches, and believe me, there's every team has at
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  Speaker 6: least two strength coaches now and massage therapists that are
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  Speaker 6: strength coaches. They're like, no, no, no, you gotta get
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  Speaker 6: in the weight room.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not saying don't get in the weight room, but
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  Speaker 5: I'm saying, getting incredibly shredded. If that's not your body type, naturally,
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  Speaker 5: you gotta play with what your body type is, right.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, like I said, I worked out all the time.
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  Speaker 5: I worked out almost every day, seven days a week.
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  Speaker 5: When if I was at the field, I had to
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  Speaker 5: do something. But that was my way to get my
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  Speaker 5: I went lifting heavy. I was lifting, you know, I
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  Speaker 5: was doing lightweights. I was doing more circuity stuff that
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  Speaker 5: took like thirty to forty five minutes of just moving
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  Speaker 5: around right, getting on the bike, getting on the treadmill,
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  Speaker 5: do no, no whatever. It was lifting dumm doing some stuff.
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  Speaker 5: But you gotta know your body type, and you got
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  Speaker 5: to figure that out. Everyone saw the cookie cutter thing,
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  Speaker 5: and not every dude is meant to be shredded. And
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  Speaker 5: sometimes when you get too shredded, you get hurt more
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  Speaker 5: because you just don't have anything protection there.
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  Speaker 3: Dohn caryler Standing just came back. He's the opposite side
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  Speaker 3: of the spectrum.
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  Speaker 5: Here, Tyler O'Neill. Tyler O'Neill is basically a bodybuilder. He
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  Speaker 5: cannot stay healthy, he can't. He hasn't his own career.
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  Speaker 2: Our cherry picking.
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  Speaker 6: We're cherry picking. But to me, to me, look at
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  Speaker 6: the guys and their body types that play every single
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  Speaker 6: day more dadbod type of players. Look at the guys
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  Speaker 6: that are out there one hundred and fifty five to
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  Speaker 6: one hundred and sixty two games. Not one of them,
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  Speaker 6: not one of them that I've seen, is shredded in
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  Speaker 6: the sense of like a lifting shredded, like they're a
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  Speaker 6: little a little frumpy, but they're carrying that weight because
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  Speaker 6: you need it to get through the rigors of the
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  Speaker 3: are moving differently.
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  Speaker 4: The league does not know why.
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  Speaker 3: Equally hit, hard hit fly balls are averaging four feet
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  Speaker 3: of distance less than they.
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  Speaker 4: Were last year. More, there's more, drag.
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  Speaker 3: The league knows this on the baseballs than any year
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  Speaker 3: that they've been tracking this in the past decade.
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  Speaker 5: Why that's that's only as why I get it the
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  Speaker 5: great they figured it out. But what And they're gonna
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  Speaker 5: say their hands stitched.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, okay, but.
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  Speaker 4: They all change their stitching.
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  Speaker 5: It's not the same person stitching every ball.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And by the way, baseballs are made in Costa Rica,
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  Speaker 5: which is one of the strangest facts of all time.
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  Speaker 5: If you ask somebody where baseball's made, they'say, America, China, Japan, Taiwan.
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  Speaker 5: They're making Costa Rica. There's probably a bunch of people
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  Speaker 5: sitting in a room and I've seen it. They stitch them.
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  Speaker 5: Were they told to stitch them a little less loose
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  Speaker 5: this year? Sometimes they said balls are juiced a little bit,
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  Speaker 5: they're stitch a little bit tighter. Who makes that decision?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, something's happening at scale, of course, because it's not
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  Speaker 3: like just one change on one baseball. So one league
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  Speaker 3: source in this story from you know O Cyrus and
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  Speaker 3: Evan Dralek said a change in seam with or height
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  Speaker 3: is one theory from the league side.
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  Speaker 4: Brent Rooker with a quote in this story.
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  Speaker 3: I've definitely hit some balls that I thought we're gonna
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  Speaker 3: have a chance and they've been caught against the wall.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go to Andrew McCutcheon, who tweeted about this In
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  Speaker 3: reaction to the story. I was told by a rep
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  Speaker 3: for MLB that the balls are indeed different this year.
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  Speaker 3: They stated higher seams, which produces more drag on baseball,
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  Speaker 3: causing baseballs to not travel as far as they should.
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  Speaker 3: When asked why, I was told every baseball is hand sowed,
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  Speaker 3: so no ball is the same. When I asked if
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  Speaker 3: there's something that can be done about correcting the current
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  Speaker 3: performance of this year's baseball, I was told there's nothing
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  Speaker 3: that could be done about it this season, but they're
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  Speaker 3: working hard on getting to the bottom of why the
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  Speaker 3: seams are higher.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, they're all hand sown, which means every ball should
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  Speaker 5: be different. It shouldn't be uniform that every ball is
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  Speaker 5: not traveling as far right, some should be tight, or
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  Speaker 5: some should be loser. If they're all hands sown, and
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  Speaker 5: I'm assuming not one person seals all the balls together, right,
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  Speaker 5: there's got to be many people because there's how many
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  Speaker 5: millions of balls they go through every year.
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  Speaker 4: Correct, many many.
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  Speaker 5: So I just want to say, how they say, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: we know this. There has to be something they told
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  Speaker 5: them to do differently to make them not go as far.
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  Speaker 6: How about you want to hear my conspiracy theory.
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  Speaker 4: Hell yeah, the two.
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  Speaker 6: Biggest contracts that were given out this offseason and the
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  Speaker 6: beginning of the season position players are pitchers. Okay, so
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  Speaker 6: now we got to make sure position players numbers don't
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  Speaker 6: go up, so we make the balls a little bit
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  Speaker 6: more dead. Back when in twenty nineteen they found that
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  Speaker 6: base balls were completely different, they were made completely different,
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  Speaker 6: and the balls were launching out of the ballparked the
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  Speaker 6: year before. Who had the largest contracts pitchers were being
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  Speaker 6: given tons of contracts. To me, probably totally a conspiracy theory.
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  Speaker 6: But as contracts EBB and flow. The best way to
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  Speaker 6: manipulate that is based on the numbers. Hey, position players
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  Speaker 6: numbers keep going up and we start attacking. You know
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  Speaker 6: that Juan Soto Vladimir Guerrero type of offensive numbers. We
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  Speaker 6: got to squash that so other guys' numbers can't go
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  Speaker 6: up quite as much. You can't tell me this isn't
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  Speaker 6: an MLB dictated thing.
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  Speaker 3: That is a wild reason but it just it can't
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  Speaker 3: be that all of a sudden all the stitchers got
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  Speaker 3: together and said we're going to.
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  Speaker 5: Definitely they were told they changed something. Something was either
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  Speaker 5: changed or they were told that's it right.
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  Speaker 6: When the balls, when the balls were changed, they had
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  Speaker 6: nothing to do with the stitches. Maybe this year. I
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  Speaker 6: haven't seen this year's balls. The balls are stitched the
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  Speaker 6: exact same way. That's why it's allowed to be hand stitched.
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  Speaker 6: It's what's inside, it's it's how it's wrapped tighter, looser.
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  Speaker 6: That ball is going to go just not gonna go
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  Speaker 6: as far. You know, a j You know, you can
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  Speaker 6: pick up a ball and be like this ball is
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  Speaker 6: this ball is rock hard? Or this john is soft?
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  Speaker 5: So no, but what they're saying in this one, no crads,
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  Speaker 5: is that the seams are actually higher, and that is
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  Speaker 5: the stitch part. They're saying the seams are higher. That's
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  Speaker 5: what they said, which then doesn't go four feet as far.
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  Speaker 3: Here's the part that I think was just totally off
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  Speaker 3: based on the pr side from MLB.
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  Speaker 4: So this is what they put out.
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  Speaker 3: In terms of outcomes on the field, twenty twenty five
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  Speaker 3: remains in line with last year's result, they said home
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  Speaker 3: runs per ball in play at four point two percent
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  Speaker 3: this year, four point one percent last year. Batting average
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  Speaker 3: very close runs per game. Right, The counterpoint in the
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  Speaker 3: article in the Athletic was great, They're like, okay, let's
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  Speaker 3: remove the two minor league parks, because if we're going
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  Speaker 3: to make a comp to last year, let's get rid
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  Speaker 3: of the two parks that are very, very different and
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  Speaker 3: leading to much more offense in one of those.
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  Speaker 4: Parks for sure.
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  Speaker 3: Right, they said home runs as a percent of fly
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  Speaker 3: balls hit in March, April and May or at an
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  Speaker 3: eight year low, and twenty fifteen to twenty nineteen there
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  Speaker 3: were wild year to year swings and drag, and then
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  Speaker 3: over the past few years they bought the ball manufacturer,
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  Speaker 3: changed the bounciness of the intercore, and installed humidors in
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  Speaker 3: every park. The past four plus seasons were in a
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  Speaker 3: good spot with consistency, and then this year we're whacked
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  Speaker 3: out again.
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  Speaker 4: Well, let the signs.
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  Speaker 6: They knew those minor league parks, They knew the minor
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  Speaker 6: league parks were going to to inflate offense, and so
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  Speaker 6: they made a change.
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  Speaker 5: Stop stop denying it, just say you know what we did.
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  Speaker 5: We did this, that's it. Don't don't.
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  Speaker 6: Oh there's human error, No way, I don't believe it
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  Speaker 6: unless you change the size of the actual red stitching
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  Speaker 6: on the ball. Those people are stitching these balls exactly
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  Speaker 6: to specs like they're told.
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  Speaker 3: Agreed, there has to be a reason for it when
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  Speaker 3: we're talking about hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of baseballs.
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  Speaker 3: So none of us are going to act like we're
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  Speaker 3: smart enough to understand all of the science of it.
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  Speaker 3: We're just reporting on or relaying what the story said.
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  Speaker 3: Big Poppy, is he really speaking the truth?
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: Is he blasting Deeavors because he's getting paychecks for the
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: Red Sox?
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: What's going on here? First off, I want.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: To say, what's up to all my beautiful people out
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: there at the FTE Nation. How y'all doing Uh man, Look,
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: this situation is just it really started months and months ago.
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: Look at the end of the day, at the end
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: of the day.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: You don't you don't rebute the man that signed your checks.
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: It's pretty simple.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: And and for me, when you make that kind of money,
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: you're willing to do whatever it takes to help the team.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know you guys have talked about this
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: over and over, but to me, it's it's a.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: Sad way of going out for Raffie Devers.
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: Was he right or wrong? Was he right? I mean,
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: because here's the thing as a former player, and we've
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: talked about this up at nauseum path last couple of days,
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: but you know he did They told him, you don't
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: you know, you're not going to be a third baseman.
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: They kind of sprung it on him, and he's like, oh,
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: now you need me to play first? Like was he
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: Obviously fans say, well, he's gotta do what you gotta
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: do what the team says, but if you're not comfortable
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: doing it, was he wrong? Just completely wrong? And he
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: just just said, whatever you guys want, I'll do Because listen,
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: I wasn't always like that. You definitely weren't always like that.
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: I know I wasn't. So there are times where you
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: got to stand up for some say.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know, man Aj.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: There were times where he was asked to take ground
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: balls at first and third very early in the season.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: He said no, and when he got bored would go
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: to shortstop and take balls. He was checked out. I mean,
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: he was playing for himself and himself only.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: And I think that the players said it best when
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: they were asked about it. And Sam Kennedy, president and
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: Craig Breslo GM came into the clubhouse in Seattle and
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: wanted to give the team an explanation, and everybody on
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: the team said, we don't need an explanation.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: Let's roll, let's get on with the show. We don't
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: need ANX. That to me, says Volumes, right, I mean, yeah, but.
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: Really, wasn't that bad.
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: I mean, if he's checked out, You've played with plenty
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: of superstars were checked out. Did you want them off
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: the team when they were putting up superstar numbers?
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: You know, I think this situation cratzy.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, you do put up with the bs with
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: superstars because they put up I totally agree with you.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: I've been sitting in the training room table with many
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Ramirez and he's pulled himself out of the game and
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: the trainer asked him what he hurts, and he says,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: pick one. You know, I've been through that with Manny.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: But I think that this situation just just became, you know,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: to where are we going to sacrifice our clubhouse and
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: our culture and these young kids that are highly impressionable.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Right now, You've got three studs that they just called
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: up that are looking to, you know, veterans for leadership.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: And I don't think that the Red Sox necessarily wanted
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: him in that clubhouse anymore. And I think that the
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: fact that you got rid of two hundred and fifty
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: million dollars.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: It says it all.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think that the players are kind of
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: just add ons. I think John Henry was okay with
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: just simply dumping his contract. And this was a John
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Henry deal, by the way, This was done solely by
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: John Henry, for sure.
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: But you said rookies.
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: I mean you can add on that, Duran, you can
• 20:31
  Speaker 6: add on that William or Brady, you can add on that,
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: say don Raphael, it's a young team. Who are they
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: gonna look up to now like is it Alex Cora?
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: Is it Alex Corras? You know, is he the mother
• 20:41
  Speaker 6: bird in this nest? And like, oh, we got to
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: make sure everybody's everybody's doing good, Like we're gonna we're
• 20:47
  Speaker 6: gonna build these guys up to be red sox, Like
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: who's gonna lead them?
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Well, it's a it's a tough it's tough sledding right now.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Krats for their team And to be totally honest with you,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: like they're missing right now, a ton of production.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: There's no no offens or buts about it. But I
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: think they were willing to sacrifice.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Sam Kennedy and Craig Breslo were willing to sacrifice clubhouse
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: culture and another.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Two hundred and fifty million dollars to do this deal.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: So yeah, you know, I wish you know this.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: It really sucks, man, because I wish you could have
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: gone better, because you know, if.
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: In my opinion, if he had a little bit of.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Like leadership or someone in his corner, like like like
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know who his agent is, but someone that
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: helps him represent himself, that helps him speak English, that
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: helps him do whatever it may be in his life.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: So that he's represented the way he needs to be represented.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: You know, I just think he misrepresented himself here in
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: a just a horrible fashion by not you know, by saying, fu,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go take balls at short, not third, and
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: like I'm not gonna play first base or third base now.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: And just the way he kind of went about it, like, uh, nope,
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: I picked third base.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Nope, trade me, like like he wanted to get traded,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: like he asked them in the beginning of all this in.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Spring training to be traded. So I think they've been
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: working on it for a while.
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: But the Red Sox are fine punting this season. You
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: get rid of this type of bat. They're essentially punting
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: this season away. Maybe they're just a five hundred team anyway,
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: Like they got hot to get back to five hundred.
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: So so I'm I wasn't in the Democrats.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: I think this is a punt right now, but I
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: think that they can make a fourth quarter run.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, they're right, they just swept the Yankees.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: I think, yes, they are punting right now, and they're
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: gonna have to figure it out.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be all hands on deck.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, I think that
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: with the they're comfortable with the starting pitchers, they're the
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: start and reliever. They're getting back, and I think they
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: opened up a ton of cash for John Henry to
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: go get whoever he wants at the trade deadline as well.
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: Oh, I gotta go back to something you just said,
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: Raffie Devers asked for a trade in spring training because
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: there's a lot of people in Boston that have not
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: reported this that he was fine with it. So when
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: did when did this happen? Because that's news to me
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: at least.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, as soon as as soon as he found out, uh,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: they were going after Bragman, and Bragman could be a possibility.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Raffie Devers was wanting to be traded. This was all,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: you know, kind of in house stuff, and reporters have
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: have have now known this this is to come out.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: But yeah, like the ego got in the way so
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: bad that you know he was willing to be traded.
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: So pap, wait, take me back from what you know.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: He finds out about the Bragman situation, right and before
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: he gets to camp, he reaches out to them and says, hey,
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: if Bregman's playing third, I want to be traded because
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: at least most of the communication process that appears to
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: be public is he showed. They tell him, hey, it's
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: just rumors your third base.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: He shows up to.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: Camp, and then they're like, yeah, we got bragman, he's
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: not playing second, he's playing third. Throw your glove away.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: So even before all of this, he reached out to
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: the Socks and said, I don't even want to go
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: to camp. Trade me if I'm not playing third, Like
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: this started before all that was okay.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I mean, you know, this is just a Look,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: we all have egos, we all played with egos.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: We need our egos to like be really good in
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: this game.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: I truly believe that, like you have to have it.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: But in this situation, I think he allowed his ego
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: to get in the way of his career. I mean
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: I think that, like and look, I think this all
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: could have been avoided, like I really truly do, if
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: if Rathi would have just.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: Had better communication with the front office.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: And I also blame the front office too, I blame
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: I blame Bras and Sam just as much as I
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: do blame Devers. The communication on their end was terrible too,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: And I think that Sam and bres would admit that.
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: All right, so let's let's get let's get off of this.
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: Where do they go from here? Let's go there? Where
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: do the Red Sox go from here? Because he was
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: the face, he was their best hitter, he was the
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: guy that they counted on to get the big hit
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: drive in the runs? Where do the Red Sox go
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: from here? Is there another move coming to try to
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: replace this and don't? And the biggest thing I don't like,
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: oh this is the is the contracting. Oh they dumped
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: the contract. You're the Red Sox dude. That contract nothing
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: for a guy in the prime of his career.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree, But when when you don't want
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: the want that player, I think it's a little bit
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: easier to dump that contract or say we're dumping it.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Where they go here? Aj? Shoot, man, I don't know.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: They're gonna have to get some guys healthy quick. I
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: think Bregman is back, is coming back a little bit
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: earlier than.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Expected, That's what I'm hearing.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: But you know, they need a leadership, They need leader
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: in the dugout, which Breggs is there, but they're.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Gonna have to have guys step up. It's that simple like,
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: they're gonna have to have guys step up.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: And it may not be one guy that steps up,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: because look, it's gonna have to be two, maybe three
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: guys that step up from the rest of the year
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: out that are gonna put up the production that Raphael
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Day he puts the production up with two people, So
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: there's gonna have to be multiple people step up.
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: And who that is?
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Is it a hundred Dobbins? I don't know. Is Julie
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: throwing the ball a little bit better?
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Does Beyo need to step it up? Yes, Crochet is Crochet.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: But I have a feeling that come trade deadline, they're
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: gonna try to reload.
• 27:14
  Speaker 6: How anticipated is this weekend series that the Red Sox
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: are gonna end up playing the Giants? Is Raffie Devers
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: going to be four for four in every one of
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: these games?
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: You know what? I'm interested to see more than that.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: And he may be because he's that good of a player,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: but I'm interested to see what it's like pregame. Is
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: he over there gonna be talking with Alex cor and
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: saying hello? Or is there gonna be some bad blood?
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Still?
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: No chance he's talking? No chance?
• 27:48
  Speaker 6: What do you think what do you think you think
• 27:50
  Speaker 6: they're gonna be chumming it up behind second base giving
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: that the fake dabt No way, Nope.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: I think that.
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: They've the ties now, and I think all relationships are.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Severed between everyone in that dugout.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: In the clubhouse and the front office with Raphie Devers.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: So I don't think there's gonna be any spiles at all. Good.
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: Good from a fan who has no fight in this good.
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: I love that. Bring the hate, by the way, I
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: do you think Pap maybe one might get away from
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: whoever starting for the Red Sox. Maybe a Crochet. I
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: don't know if Crochet is starting, but maybe a Gelito,
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: maybe a Bayo. One might get away at Pap style and.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: A bit a j No not today, my friend, not today.
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: You know it's well, no, not today, But I'm talking
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: about this weekend, Pap when the Red Sox plays.
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: They don't do that anymore, guys, don't.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, not in today's game, not in today's a yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Pedro retired.
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: Oh Pedro, trust me, Pedro. There definitely would have been
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: some action with Pedro. Oh hell yeah, someone that you
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: don't even look at.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: I remember they brought me and when we traded Manny.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: When Manny goes to the White Sox and they brought
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: me in and Tito called for me to drill many.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: It took me like four pitches to drill them, but
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: I had to drill them.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: So I don't know if it's gonna happen or not.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Maybe ox Corel calls and somebody.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: To drill him or not. I don't know what. I
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: highly doubt it.
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: There you go.
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: Can you imagine if it's first a bat one just
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: gets away and oh, then.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: We got action.
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: We're gonna have a brawl, then we got action TV
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: not accidental or not. Just just hit them.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: Hey, final minute that we have with you, and it's
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: a hard minute. Then we're coming back from breaks. So
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: my last thing on to get to the timing they
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: make this trade. Now, I'm like the Giants would have
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: been oozing to make this trade either in a month
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: or after the season. Is really for me where it
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: should have been done, because the Red Sox did trade
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: their best bat. So they're not winning the World Series
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: this year without Devers. In my mind, would they have
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: won anyway? Probably not, but you definitely made your team worse.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: I'm like dudes on eight and a half years. I
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: would have done this in the off season and send
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: your message there and also open it up to every
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: team for the bidding. That was the thing that really
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: pissed me off. I'm like, you want to do in
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: the off season, get the money back, go for it now.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: I didn't leave anything horrible, horrible timing. I don't think
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: the timing could have been any worse. I totally agree
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: with that. That to me is where I'm like, front
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: office needs to have a feel like this, this is
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: not the time. Send the message, slam it in November,
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: and then go sign some other big bat.
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: But all right, PAF here the man, get some breast.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Dude. Ah, guys, thank You'll see you