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Feminism: Two centuries of failure? | HBR Talk 287 · Honey Badger Radio

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  And hello, welcome to uh, the the HBr Talk two eighty six show
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  I Think It Is and feminism two hundred years of failure. So I'm your
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  host, Hannah Wallen here with nonsense annihilator of Lauren Brooks and the personification of
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  perceptivity Mike Stevenson, and tonight once again we're waiting back into a flood of
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  feminist bull ony. Hope you guys got your hip waiters, because this is
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  bad. But before we get into that, and I'm sorry that I'm going
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  to be clearing my throat and snee stiffling at you. Lauren is too,
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  because we're WIMPs. We have allergies, nerds. Uh, my sound is
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  bad, all right, let me see if my mic is turned down?
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  do indeed by confirmations mean apartment. Yes, yes, yes, we now
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  understand that Uncle Sam has some social insecurities NERD just like the rest of us.
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  But yeah, so, uh, you know, we will start Karen's
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  show on Karen's channel without Karen as as they they hired a humdinger of an
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  organization to do their research for them. Obviously, poor Karen is totally being
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  being uh blamed for everything that we say and do. But yeah, so
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  we're on a list again. How many does that make it twelve? Yeah,
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  well that's appropriate. It is Christmas coming up. Twelve is a good
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  number. So there we go. I hope you guys are having a good
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  December. And for those who are from the United States, today was Pearl
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  Harbor Day, and I'm sure I have been unable to be online very much,
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  but I'm sure a lot of people were discussing it just like every year,
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  and remembering the attack on Pearl Harbor clear back in the day, and
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  you know, like that was a civilian attack that we're not a civilian attack,
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  but an attack on civilians and as well as military, and I think
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  it was a big shocker simply because in that attack, I mean, we
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  lost a lot of men and women, and you know, usually in wartime
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  the fatalities are almost exclusively men, and that that shocked the people of the
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  United States back then. And of course we've had the argument on social media
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  about war casualties and soldiers and voting rights and so on, but you know
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  that that was one that I don't think the American public will ever I don't
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  think the American public will ever get over that because I think that was our
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  first real experience with it coming to our doorstep. And of course what ended
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  up happening as a result was men all over the country signed up, women
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  signed up to become nurses and you know, operate in the military and other
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  capacities. And then the people supported a draft, and of course that ended
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  that that resulted in you know, the United States tipping the scales very very
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  hard again in World War Two, but at the cost of a huge number
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  of mostly men, also some women, it's true, but mostly men,
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  and only men were drafted. And you know, I mean, we've had
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  the people will probably bring up the attacks that led to the United States getting
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  involved in World War One, but it's not the same an attack on a
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  on a ship isn't the same as an attack on a whole civilian area,
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  and so but in any case, it's not the show. It's nothing compared
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  compared with January the sixth, and I look forward to the Hollywood movie about
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  that and just how much they missed the point about that as well. Yeah,
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  oh you know that. That just blows my mind that they got away
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  with saying that kind of stuff, Like we had had thousands of deaths and
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  January sixth we had that none of the deaths were really connected except for the
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  patriot that was shot during the protest. None of the deaths that they attributed
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  to the protest were actually because of the protest. So none of the protesters
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  killed people, only only the cops. And certainly nobody killed three thousand or
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  more people. So three thousand wasn't Pearl Harbor. Three thousand was nine to
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  eleven, which I'm not going to get into that because I have thoughts and
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  we're already we already are apparently on a list. So that should tell you
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  what I think of nine to eleven, what I think of what happened at
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  nine to eleven, and how angry I am about what I think happened.
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  So there you go. I for one think the US government it is wonderful.
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  I think the f B, the f guy, and the c i
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  A are wonderful. And I would like to visit this country as many times
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  as I can. And there we go. Yeah, well, now now
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  you have to travel to Ohio with with our fresh country air or something like
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  that. Oh, this is I grew up in a country. This is
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  so different than than than where where I live now, and I haven't moved
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  out of this state. That's so sad. Let's let's get into Michael Flood.
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  So let me make sure I've got this where I can actually see it
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  and not halfway behind my obs window. Do we have to get into bacle
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  Flood? I was enjoying it. Can we do it with like a pitchfork?
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  Yes? Yes, we're actually going to uh. I mean, what
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  else do you use to to uh bail straw? And you gotta have a
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  pitchfork. I mean you know, I mean we could say bullshit and then
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  we need to shovel, but honestly, most most of this is just straw.
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  Uh. So let's get into women's control of personal wealth. As as
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  Michael Flood sees it, this this should be interesting. So he says fact,
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  and and again I notice that there is not a citation at the end
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  of this paragraph, and and he doesn't actually say what the okay, we're
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  gonna go. The m RA claim is the next paragraph. Fact, It
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  is unlikely that women control the majority of personal wealth, or even half of
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  personal wealth wealth in the USA, given that one, men in general are
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  far more likely than women to be in full time paid work, with more
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  women in part time work. He's never met me. Two top paying positions,
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  and most professions are dominated by men. And three, men in general
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  receive higher wages than women, in part because of occupational segregation. So we
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  already have a set of claims by Flood that don't really have anything to do
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  with whether or not women have control over personal wealth. He's talking about whether
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  or not women earn the majority of personal wealth. Just want to point that
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  out. So the MRA claim he is citing is that women control fifty one
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  percent of personal wealth in the USA. This claim is false. That is
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  based on a prediction made in a two thousand and five book about the likely
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  future patterns of personal wealth. It is not based on data about women's and
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  men's actions personal wealth. Many sources cite a report by the BMO Women's Institute
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  titled Financial Concerns for Women, released in twenty fifteen. This report is here,
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  and it gives the claim on page two, citing the Family Wealth Advisor's
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  Council Report Women of Wealth twenty twelve. This report is here and he has
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  two links here. It gives the claim on page five, citing a two
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  thousand and five book by FAIRH. Warner, Power of the Purse, How
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  smart Businesses are adapting to the world's most important consumers, Women, and the
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  book merely predicts women's future control of personal wealth. So I'm going to address
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  two or three things here, and I'm sure you guys probably already have a
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  bunch to say about it as well. So we've gone through his his claims,
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  his description of our claim, and his initial claims as to why it's
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  false. And the first thing is, if we go back to the first
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  paragraph, men in general being far more likely than women to be in full
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  time paid work. So let's talk about that for a minute, right,
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  Men who go into full full time paid work do so because they are the
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  breadwinner of the household in which they live. Normally, whether they are single
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  or married men have to support the financial interests of their household. They don't.
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  It doesn't change for them because a woman has moved into their house,
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  whether or not they have to be the breadwinner. In most cases, what
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  does change for them is how much it costs to be the breadwinner. So
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  a guy that lives by himself, doesn't have a wife to take care of,
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  doesn't have children to support, doesn't doesn't have a household to support,
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  can get by on a much lower income. He doesn't need to spend money
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  on the accouterments of attempting to impress women. He's not spending three hundred bucks
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  a month on her makeup that she uses to impress everybody but him, because
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  he's going to see her in the morning without it. He's not paying for
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  a larger place to live. He's not trying to live the picket fence American
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  dream. He doesn't have to have a either a fancy car or a family
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  car, and he can. He can get by with a little compact cheap
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  oh, you know, equivalent to the the kind of car that I used
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  to drive. I have afford It wasn't mine, but I used to drive
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  a Ford Festiva back in the nineties, I had to stash my legs in
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  the trunk. But you know you could get by on stuff like that when
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  you're single, Uh, you don't. You don't have to have, you
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  know, tens of thousands of dollars to spend on this vehicle and that domicile
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  and this mini extra clothes. You don't buy school supplies every year. You're
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  you're paying for groceries for one. Your entertainment is much easier to afford.
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  You're not if you want to go see a movie, you're not paying for
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  four or five tickets, You're paying for one ticket. You know you can
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  you can go at the drop of the hat. And the other thing is
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  you're not having to arrange any of your work schedule around you know, well
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  we're going to go see the in laws. Well it's the you know,
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  the the week of the kid's Christmas play at school, or you know,
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  anything like that. So they're able to earn more at a lower level job
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  than they would normally earn at a lower level job because they can be the
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  guy that works on Christmas morning. You know, they're not going to be
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  watching their kids open their presence. So that's one thing. Yes, Guys
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  do earn you know, like more money because they are more likely to be
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  in full time work. And the reason women are not as likely to be
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  in full time works because women have a choice, especially if they get married.
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  There's financial aid that you get if you have kids at a wedlock or
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  if you are divorced, but if those aren't the situation, you also have
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  there's you know, women, women use sugar daddies. Women do things like
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  signing up for dating websites and using dates to get free meals and then ghosting
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  them and get away with it. If women are trying to find a partner,
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  they're not the ones that have to pay for dates. They're the ones
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  that get treated right, So even single women have they don't have the expenses
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  that men have in regard to this, and you don't have to do the
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  things that women do that elevate women's expenses, Like I don't spend three hundred
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  bucks a month on makeup. I'm allergic to makeup, so it saves me
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  a lot of money. Well, women have a societal safety net when it
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  comes to things like that, right, yep, Because there's always going to
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  be someoney around who emotionally invested in her situation enough to come up out of
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  their pockets and say, hey, what you mean what can I get?
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  You need? You need some you know what I mean? You know,
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  yeah, you don't even have to be remarkable. I'm like miss playing Jane,
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  you know, no frills, cargo pants wearing, you know, loud
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  mouthed bitch. And uh, I've had to explain to men that I don't
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  want a sugar daddy and I won't accept one, like even me. Uh,
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  it's it's it's just the thing about sugar babies and sugar daddy is is
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  that you know. I think it's it's seen as or you know, kind
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  of glorified, you know, because obviously this these women are are getting all
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  of these things paid for, They're getting trips and having things bought for them.
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  Oh my god, every girl would want that, right, But there's
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  a give and take, you know, and they don't talk about the other
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  side of that. Well, maybe maybe he's you know, not as attractive
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  as she would like, and you know, it's just yeah, or she's
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  just not interested in him except for the money, and like that's that's the
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  bottom line. It's a transactional relationship, and it's I think very harmful to
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  men. Absolutely. We just watched a video where there was this twenty I
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  think she was like late twenties, and the guy she was dating was in
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  his sixties and she flat out said, well, I only wanted him for
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  his money at first, you know, she said it right in front of
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  him. It's just so nonchalantly, as if like, yeah, well but
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  now I really love him. No, we we have a bond for me
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  And the entire time you're looking at her face and just the disdain that she
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  has for that guy. She's not happy. She might be happy getting money
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  to spend on whatever the hell it is that she likes, you know,
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  but she's that's what it is. It's a transaction, it really is,
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  and it's it's kind of heartbreaking and both at both ends, because the materialism
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  that that fosters in women is also self destructive. When your focus is on
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  things and plastic surgery and makeup and hair and how how people are looking at
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  you, and not like what really cool things you talk about with the person
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  that you're you're spending your time with, and you know how much you enjoy
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  their company and and you know hoping that they enjoy you and uh, you
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  having values in common and stuff like that. It takes away from life.
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  It takes away from your fulfillment in life. So it's damaging to women too.
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  I think it's much more damaging to men because the denial of a real
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  relationship and an opportunity for a real relationship, Like men in that situation get
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  programmed to just tolerate being exploited, and it is exploitation, absolutely, And
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  and then on top of that the hit to the self esteem to believe that
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  one has to pay for companionship. It's not fair to men, right,
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  but but that's that's a big part of it. And then you also have,
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  you know, and in terms of women's control of personal personal wealth,
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  you also have when men and women are married, when they do form household
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  together, or when they just live together and he's working full time and she's
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  working part time, his paycheck isn't entirely under his control. The source that
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  Flood was talking about, the book by Pharah Warner, was about the fact
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  the the statement in that book was about the fact that the grocery shopper at
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  most houses is women. So she decides what brand of ketchup he eats on
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  his cheeseburger, what brand of beef is in that cheeseburger, what what brand
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  of buns that cheeseburger is in, or whether or not he gets buns,
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  or or you know, you're eating your burger in in lettuce, you know,
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  or we're we're going on the Adkins diet. Okay, yes, dear,
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  you know, like that's that's one way that and control a significant amount
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  of personal wealth. Maybe he's maybe he's a you know, a Ford guy,
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  and she wants a particularly popular foreign car because it's got a reputation as
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  a better family car. You know. Maybe he would like a big truck,
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  and she's like, well, no, we need a compact car because
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  I am an environmentalist. Guess which vehicle they're gonna get exactly. So,
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  are you familiar with the term grocery getter, the grocery getter? Yes,
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  no, So it's a term that was used for and I'm thinking this was
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  probably popular around the fifties, maybe forties, fifties sixties era, when you
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  know, you had the one car that the whole family used, but then
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  you had the nice one car that you only went out to get groceries in,
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  Like the wife used to go out and get her groceries in. That's
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  the grocery getter car. Yeah, that's the car that had the trunk space
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  or like we had a station wagon when I was a kid. My first
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  speeding ticket was for taking thinking of getting a nineteen eighty one Dodge Diplomat station
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  wagon to go ninety six miles an hour after it was ten years old.
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  They were not made to drive that fast. Damn thing was shaking. It
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  was really not good. So actually my second speeding ticket was in that car
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  too, and I got that one on purpose. But that's story for another
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  day. And no, I was not trying to get a date. I
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  was trying to find a local cop because we didn't have cell phones at that
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  time. I found him, or did he find you? No, I
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  went through three known speed traps, going over the speed limit just enough that
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  you know they usually would pull you over before I before I found one.
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  It's there was a problem, and I didn't know where there was a phone
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  I could get to nearby, so I spent. I think the speeding ticket
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  was like back then, it wasn't that expensive. It was like sixty bucks,
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  which I guess back then was expensive, but I spent. I spent
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  that much money to get direct access to an officer to report a problem,
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  because because it was an emergency in my book, and it's what I what
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  happened for me hanging out with people I should have been hanging out with.
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  But yeah, and uh, you know, today I just would have gotten
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  on my mobile phone and dialed nine to one one and problem would have been
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  solved. Right, But that's that's the way things were back in the day.
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  And I also didn't know where the police station was in that community,
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  and you couldn't just get on Google Maps, you know, so and you
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  couldn't just go to a gas station either, because it was after they rolled
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  up the sidewalks in that community, so there were there was no place to
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  like, there was no business to go visit. It was things were different
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  in the eighties. Yeah, but but anyway, you know, it was
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  even even today it's it's abnormal, but back then, it was really abnormal
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  for me to have the the level of work I did and and the level
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  of disposable income I had. And something I've noticed all my life, other
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  women will get mad at women who spend their money on men. Yeah,
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  even now when other women on social media that I'm arguing gender issues with find
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  out that in my home we we are co bread winners. We are we
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  both work, and we both pay into the living expenses, and our incomes
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  are pretty close. Sometimes he makes more money, sometimes I make more money,
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  you know. But in the meantime, you know, we we just
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  tag team stuff. This is this is coming up. It's got to be
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  paid. You know which account are we paying it out of? How much
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  do we need to have in that account? You know, that kind of
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  thing, and just flip money back and forth to make sure that everything is
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  covered. But when you talk to feminists about that, they think I'm being
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  exploited. But I thought feminism was supposed to be about female independence, right.
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  If if something happened to my husband, financially speaking, I would not
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  be devastated. Emotionally, I'd be like, I just die inside. That
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  would be the end of who I am. But financially speaking, I'd be
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  okay. And if something happened to me, got enough life insurance on me
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  that he'd be covered. So that doesn't mean murder me though, guys,
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  Just for any hate listeners out there, I got I got stuff to do.
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  But yeah, so it's things are different, but it's unusual, and
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  it's uh, it's resented by a lot of other women. So the next
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  thing he says is top paying positions and most professions are dominated by men,
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  And this is one that drives me nuts. Right, what he's talking about
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  are positions of responsibility, and it's not that they're dominated by men. It's
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  that men do what it takes to be trusted in those positions, and more
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  men do that, far more men do that than women. Right. The
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  reason is the accountability gap. If you can't criticize what somebody does, if
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  you can't say somebody is doing a bad job and they need to improve what
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  they're doing. If you cannot say that somebody is not looking the part and
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  they need to look more professional or be more aggressive in uh, portraying the
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  position that they are in because they're because of their gender, then that's a
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  that's a detriment to them getting that job. If it's always somebody else's fault
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  when things go wrong, that's a detriment to someone getting, say a position
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  as of leadership in a company or doing a job that everybody relies on.
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  Right, You're not going to hire somebody who doesn't have to be mindful of
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  the impact of their decision making on the people around them, And who isn't
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  going to be mindful of their own safety and then will turn around and become
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  a casualty or cost the company a lot of money because of injuries and stuff
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  like that, or get somebody else injured, you know, cause damage,
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  cause a power outage, cause all kinds of other problems. You have to
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  have people who are reliable. But feminism, instead of increasing women's reliability and
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  increasing women's accountability, has gone the other direction. Well, if women are
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  not going to be accountable, if women are not going to the buck's not
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  going to stop with her, women are not going to take responsibility for their
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  decisions and the impact of their decisions, and even taking responsibility for their decision
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  to assign work to somebody who is and to fail them. Right, So
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  CEO for instance, has to take responsibility for what the people under him do,
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  and I say him, because women will just blame the people under them,
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  those people will get fired and then she walks away clean as a whistle.
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  Then of course you're going to see fewer women taking all of the steps
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  that it takes to climb the corporate ladder. Or to start a business and
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  achieve success in that business, like women's businesses will fail more because of that.
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  So if feminists want more women in top paying positions, they need to
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  close that accountability gap, and it has to be by elevating female accountability,
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  not by reducing male accountability. And that the wage gap myth tells us that
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  right now, that account of ability gap is pretty stable. If women are
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  going to complain that they are victims of their own life choices and career choices,
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  their work life balance, their right to have choices that men don't have
• 31:18
  in family family situations, then they haven't anywhere near closed that accountability gap.
• 31:25
  They're maintaining it. And of course that covers the statement about men receiving higher
• 31:33
  wages as well. It's not about occupational segregation. It's about what men and
• 31:40
  women actually do to benefit their employers and how employers compensate that. So regarding
• 31:48
  the MRA claim, yeah, this is the first one that's not a straw
• 31:52
  man, and he's still fucked it up. So here he is claiming this
• 32:00
  claim is bogus because because it's from a two thousand and five book that predicts
• 32:08
  women's future control of personal wealth but he doesn't explain what it's based on.
• 32:14
  What that prediction is based on. That prediction is based on the fact that
• 32:17
  most household shopping is controlled by women, and most financial decisions in a household,
• 32:25
  Most of the big financial decisions in a household or made with the wife's
• 32:30
  benefit in mind. Like you know, in my case, I took out
• 32:34
  a lot of life insurance because if something happens to me and there's a lot
• 32:39
  of our any debt we have is more in my husband's name than in my
• 32:45
  name. So if something happens to him and I can't pay that, I'm
• 32:50
  not saddled with it by law. But if something happens to me and he
• 32:57
  can't pay that because he loses my income, still saddled with it. So
• 33:02
  my my life insurance is higher. I think a lot of husbands have to
• 33:07
  do that because a lot of a lot of household debt is stuff like a
• 33:14
  mortgage on a house, and if it's not paid, she loses the house.
• 33:19
  We live in an apartment, we have to we don't have to deal
• 33:21
  with that, right, But there's also a lot of like women have a
• 33:25
  lot of credit card debt in their name, like a lot of ours is
• 33:30
  not credit card related. It's it's other things. A lot of it's medical
• 33:34
  and stuff like that and educational. So it's it's a different situation, but
• 33:42
  a lot of men have to they're the ones that there their income pays for
• 33:47
  say medical insurance that is used more by the wife their income. And then
• 33:54
  if they've got kids, it's usually the wife that decides if the kids need
• 33:58
  to go to the doctor. Right, It's the wife that decides, like
• 34:02
  I said, what kind of car the household needs. It's the wife that
• 34:07
  decides what kind of neighborhood they want to live in, and what kind of
• 34:12
  domicile they want to live in, whether it's okay to live in an apartment
• 34:15
  or trailer, or whether they absolutely have to have a house. So,
• 34:21
  yeah, it's not really honest to say that the book merely predicting women's future
• 34:28
  control of personal wealth is debunks the claim, but that's what he says.
• 34:36
  So thus the claim that women control personal or fifty one percent of the personal
• 34:43
  wealth in the USA is bogus. It has no basis in actual data.
• 34:45
  Men are just as likely to splurge as women, and they spend money on
• 34:49
  average when they treat themselves more money on average when they treat themselves. A
• 34:53
  survey by I think that's pronounced Delawhite Insights among consumers in twenty three companies and
• 35:04
  based on a database of about one hundred thousand splurge purchases, found that men
• 35:07
  splurge as often as women do, and when they do, they spend almost
• 35:12
  forty percent more on their purchases. In fact, globally, significant proportions of
• 35:17
  women do not have any control over decisions over their own income, and many
• 35:22
  countries, particularly Sub Saharan Africa and Asia, a large fraction of women are
• 35:28
  not involved in household decisions about spending in their personal spending their personal earned income.
• 35:34
  So here is where this straw man is because the MRA claim isn't about
• 35:39
  those countries. It's about countries in the West Western women. None of us
• 35:45
  ever say that women in Sub Saharan African Africa have that control. And this
• 35:51
  is something that feminists do all the time. Right, you say this condition
• 35:55
  exists in the United States and it affects men this way and women this way,
• 36:00
  and they say, well, it sobs here in Africa, right,
• 36:02
  But what part of the United States is that? Because I thought that was
• 36:05
  a totally different set of countries in a on a totally different continent. But
• 36:14
  it's maybe your your maps are different from from mine. Is that around like
• 36:19
  maybe Texas somewhere in Death Valley you know, or you know the Deep South
• 36:24
  or or is it out west? Like where is it on your map?
• 36:29
  I can't quite tell where the mott is and where the bailey is. Yeah,
• 36:34
  they're they're all about bringing down the patriarchy. And then we point out,
• 36:37
  well, the patriarchy as you describe it does appear to exist in relation
• 36:44
  to that seed or map you have where it's mostly a problem in Africa and
• 36:50
  the Middle East and Asia and whatnot. And I guess that's unconnected with the
• 36:55
  way that the government that you support and that supports you, it's all about
• 37:00
  invading, invading those countries and bombing them and sealing them for the stealing all
• 37:07
  their resources like they have for so often, and like you claim you don't
• 37:09
  like whereas uh you you're you're all about sorting out this patriarchy problem, but
• 37:19
  only in the count in the country is listed in light on the seedar map.
• 37:23
  Only in the countries where it is the least problem, and it all
• 37:30
  comes down to something that's oddly right wing in women. Women are only interested
• 37:37
  in in their own kind, in their own men, they're only interested in
• 37:40
  controlling their own men. Which it's kind of neither right wing nor right nor
• 37:45
  left wing, because I mean ecophobia is is quite specifically an extreme form of
• 37:54
  leftism, and that's what leads people to I don't want to say oppress their
• 38:00
  own men, because that's obviously not the thing, but to control their own
• 38:05
  men governmentally speaking. So there's this divide, there's this hypocrisy, and I
• 38:12
  know it's pointless pointing out hypocrisy for the sake of perhaps getting through to the
• 38:19
  hypocrites. But yeah, if patriarchy was a problem, you would be focusing
• 38:25
  on the countries that exhibit it as you describe it. But but you don't.
• 38:30
  And when I say you, I mean feminists. Yeah, you're focused
• 38:35
  specifically on the countries in which men have the least power the fewest rights,
• 38:40
  which suggests that you're really not trying to rebalance any imbalance. You're really just
• 38:49
  trying to push on any open door you can find, which is, we
• 38:52
  control whatever men we are allowed to control, and the men were allowed to
• 38:57
  control our own and that's what it comes down to. That's that's why women
• 39:05
  of the West aren't interested in controlling Muslim men or Chinese men or anything else,
• 39:10
  because they don't own those men. They own the European men, they
• 39:16
  own the American men, and that's what that's what they're concerned with. These
• 39:21
  men are our property. Those men can do whatever they like. In fact,
• 39:24
  we'll bring those men over to do whatever they like because white men aren't
• 39:29
  fucking us quite like we like. They keep singing songs about how all this
• 39:34
  stuff they're not going to do to it. They don't like that. They
• 39:40
  want men who go, oh, fuck you bitch. They're all so that's
• 39:45
  what they're importing because they've cucked their own men, use those men against their
• 39:52
  own, and they're going to complain that those cuted men are the misogynists and
• 39:58
  they and they're going to make believe that these exotic men are the ones who
• 40:04
  respect women. And someone I've lost track of just how mental this is all
• 40:10
  gone. Now. The really sad thing is they'll they'll demand respect, and
• 40:15
  they'll they'll talk a lot about respect, but they don't understand respect. They
• 40:22
  don't know what it is, they don't know how it's obtained. They don't
• 40:28
  know how to engage in it, right. They don't know how to give
• 40:30
  respect, and they don't know how to get respect or why they don't get
• 40:37
  respect. But they think they deserve it, and they get very upset if
• 40:43
  they think they're not getting it. So this is why feminists are so angry.
• 40:53
  But yeah, you know, they do have this thing about pointing at
• 40:59
  those men over there, that patriarchy over there, and then saying this is
• 41:05
  the condition over there, and we have to reform it here in our country
• 41:07
  where it's not happening. Over and over again. They did the same thing
• 41:13
  with with sexual violence and India, and you know, as it turns out,
• 41:19
  there's there's quite a bit of false allegation going on in India. They've
• 41:22
  got like, at a minimum a sixty five percent rate of false allegation,
• 41:29
  that's the low end it may be, and as likely to be as high
• 41:32
  as eighty five percent of allegations being false. So it's it's a particularly dangerous
• 41:42
  place to be a man around women. But they they play it off like
• 41:47
  it's you know, women are just getting raped at random in the street.
• 41:51
  You're just walking down the street and all of a sudden, like sixteen guys
• 41:54
  run a train on you and then you you're dead, or you go about
• 41:58
  your day in your But but that's not the environment most most women live in
• 42:06
  there, And a lot of video is coming out of India of abusive women
• 42:13
  who will attack random men in the street who are angry about this or that,
• 42:17
  and will they hit them with their slippers. I guess that's a big
• 42:22
  thing, you know, like beating people with your slipper. If you're female,
• 42:24
  you take your slipper off and you like start smacking people with it.
• 42:29
  They wouldn't like that if I did that with my shoes because I a lot
• 42:32
  of times, especially if it's cold outside, I wear boots, so I'm
• 42:38
  not hitting anybody with anything. But but yeah, then they'll they'll attack men
• 42:46
  who are in the service industry in particular, like taxi drivers. You know,
• 42:52
  Oh you want you want me to pay the fee? No, I'm
• 42:53
  going to hit you a bunch of times with my shoe. Oh you're filming,
• 42:57
  I'm going to hit the person with the camera. And it's crazy,
• 43:00
  right, But no, what do we hear about. We hear that there's
• 43:06
  an epidemic of gang rape in this country and America has to reform our rape
• 43:14
  laws to take away men's do process rights because of India's false epidemic of gang
• 43:21
  rape. And when when you ask for evidence of the epidemic, they will
• 43:27
  point you to one case, like not not an epidemic of cases, but
• 43:32
  one case which was a terrible case. But it's still one case, right.
• 43:39
  The amount of bad involved in one case doesn't make it more than one
• 43:45
  case. It means it was a terrible tragedy and there was something really wrong
• 43:52
  with the participants, the perpetrators, right, and the people that didn't didn't
• 44:00
  step in, the bystanders that didn't step in. But one case is not
• 44:06
  an epidemic, you know, And it's different how you address one case.
• 44:13
  So there you go, but a little muchmsize. One case is not systemic,
• 44:22
  non institutional as as they like to say. And there was quite a
• 44:29
  bit of outrage over that that occurrence in India, right, That wasn't something
• 44:35
  that people in India were like, oh ho, and this just happened.
• 44:37
  It's not a big deal. Everybody was angry. It's whenever you can only
• 44:42
  point to one case, it is that case is a case where the male
• 44:45
  per church in question had the book thrown at him. In other words,
• 44:50
  he had the system, the institutional system thrown at him, which you can't
• 44:57
  say about the as you were saying that, God knows how many cases of
• 45:01
  women just getting out of their general responsibilities by assaulting people and crying assault in
• 45:09
  the process. Yep. So it's when this is when women abuse people.
• 45:19
  They don't abuse people using themselves. They abuse the system. And this is
• 45:23
  why it's so invisible to people because it's not seen as female abuse. It's
• 45:29
  it's it's women using the system that is put in place to help them abuse
• 45:37
  people well, and then you use that system to abuse people, and and
• 45:42
  that's not counted even statistically as female on male abuse. It's not even counted
• 45:49
  as abuse at all by the system because it's just an abuse of the system.
• 45:54
  So the system is going to say, well, we investigated in ourselves
• 45:59
  and we found we did not wrong. Yeah. You also have the issue
• 46:05
  of people thinking it's funny when women abuse. Like a lot of the slipper
• 46:10
  beating videos that I have seen on Twitter, I mean some of them are
• 46:17
  forwarded around by MRAs going this is what men deal with in India. But
• 46:23
  I'm also seeing a lot of them where people are. They think it's funny.
• 46:29
  Right, this woman gets out of paying her taxi bill by beating the
• 46:34
  hell out of a taxi with her slipper, and he can't do anything because
• 46:38
  if he lays a finger on her. India is so guinescentric and their law
• 46:44
  is so guinescentric, he's screwed, especially if she's a higher cast than he
• 46:49
  is. And it happens that way a lot, right, And they think
• 46:52
  it's funny. And yeah, you see it all the time in anime.
• 46:54
  You see it all the time in animated shows, in general cartoons, uh
• 47:01
  in in cartoons for kids and cartoons for adults. It's treated like it's funny
• 47:07
  when women's anger explodes into violence against the people around them, because because of
• 47:15
  the myth that women are inept at violence. And you know, we can
• 47:21
  be in comparison to people who are bigger, stronger, smarter, faster,
• 47:25
  have more endurance are you know, have more athletic agility, not necessarily like
• 47:34
  the bendi gymnastic agility, but the agility to punch faster and and and move
• 47:42
  their arms faster like that. That makes a difference, right, But it
• 47:49
  doesn't mean that even if somebody can hit you harder. Even if somebody can
• 47:54
  break your bones when they hit it doesn't mean that when you punch you don't
• 48:00
  do any harm. It doesn't mean that it's safe to just let a woman
• 48:07
  throw a temper tantrum in public. And it certainly doesn't mean that there's never
• 48:15
  any danger from from female violence, because when a woman discovers that her punches
• 48:22
  are inept, she grabs a pot of boiling water or an iron skillet,
• 48:27
  or a knife or a gun or a bottle of poison, or she launches
• 48:31
  her boyfriend at you, her brother, her dad, her son, her
• 48:37
  neighbor, the nearest guy. Like you get into a conflict with a woman
• 48:43
  in public and she starts hitting you. If you defend yourself, you know,
• 48:50
  that's all it takes to set off the nearest white night. And suddenly
• 48:54
  you're getting hit by two people, and one of them is not inept at
• 48:59
  beating you up, for sure, whether the other one is or not.
• 49:04
  Like that, that's insane. There's the movie trope of the housewife with her
• 49:12
  hair in curlers and she's in a nightgown and she's brandishing a rolling pin,
• 49:17
  and in this movie context, she's like that the final boss of the hood
• 49:24
  that no one could no one could focus. With your mama in the hair
• 49:29
  and rollers and a nightgown and a rolling pin, she will tear her way
• 49:35
  through the city, destroying everyone in her path. In reality, that's not
• 49:38
  the case. She'll she'll come across the first thug she sees, and she'll
• 49:43
  get raped. But the reason, the reason is the trope a movies is
• 49:46
  because people have been scared of that image ever since the youngest of ages,
• 49:52
  because that has been the image that has terrorized them the most since they were
• 49:58
  children of an angry woman. A rolling pin is a club. Yeah,
• 50:04
  anything heavy enough is a murder weapon. Almost anything is a murder weapon,
• 50:08
  especially in the hands of a woman who will not be held accountable for using
• 50:14
  it. But when I used when I was a kid to make cookies and
• 50:17
  stuff, was half the size of a baseball bat. So and yeah,
• 50:22
  it goes to show you that the images that strike terror into people are so
• 50:28
  very often not the images that do the most physical damage, but do the
• 50:32
  most psychological damage. And that includes the image of whatever we saw our mothers
• 50:39
  as when we were very little children and have barely any memory left over of
• 50:44
  it because despite the stereotype that the man is the one who does the spanking,
• 50:49
  in the modern age, in the last few generations has very much been
• 50:52
  the woman. And so we have this image of women doing us damage where
• 50:58
  we can't do any back and we can't do anything about it, and so
• 51:01
  we have these tropes of these of these women who are who are who seem
• 51:07
  domestically very powerful, and that somehow translates into into being a Mary Sue,
• 51:15
  albeit a very bad, temperate Mary Sue. And people don't put two and
• 51:20
  two together in either direction. This sort of female physical dominance is seen as
• 51:30
  a joke, and it's because it doesn't affect adults, but it does affect
• 51:36
  children. And it's sort of like I say, we don't put two and
• 51:39
  two together that the violence that children experience becomes the violence that adults experience.
• 51:46
  But somewhere in that process it goes from women are the ones who actually put
• 51:53
  this motion in place, to never mind, men are the ones who actually
• 51:58
  perpetuate violence, because they're the ones who pick it up from their mothers and
• 52:04
  pass it on to someone else. And that's all we see because not because
• 52:09
  I don't know, because because the movies we make feature women as as the
• 52:15
  people who do righteous violence and the men who do unrighteous violence. Yeah,
• 52:21
  it all gets sewn together. Women are the moral measuring stick. Yeah.
• 52:28
  And uh and if they don't feel like you've measured up, they will hit
• 52:30
  you with that too. I don't know if you've ever been hit with the
• 52:35
  hard stick. We we we used to battle each other in my neighborhood with
• 52:39
  all kinds of things and and uh, one time we decided to sword fight
• 52:45
  with the yardsticks. That that was not a good idea. Well, just
• 52:50
  you get covered in welts. It's it's worse than uh, willow tree branch
• 52:55
  fights, which we also did, but you did that in long pants and
• 53:00
  long sleeve shirts. And we didn't think about that with the yardsticks. We
• 53:04
  just didn't think they would hurt as bad as a dowel rods. Uh.
• 53:07
  So, thord fighting is a silly idea, even with rubber sticks, even
• 53:13
  with cushions, because even cushions have like zippers in them, and you might
• 53:16
  get caught in the eye with a zipper. Now you have to get one
• 53:22
  the Ohio Renaissance Fair because there's a company that sells these neat toys. They
• 53:29
  don't have zippers. They don't have anything on them that will do any damage
• 53:34
  to you, and you can beat the hell out of each other with them
• 53:36
  and it's fun and and uh, they're great toys for kids because they they
• 53:42
  do kids like to pretend sword fight, and they're not allowed to pretend to
• 53:46
  play with guns anymore, so that's all they've got left. And these things,
• 53:51
  they they actually look like it's it's uh, it's almost like somebody stuck
• 53:58
  up the last a quarter inch of a paper towel roll on the end of
• 54:02
  a stick, but it's it's fabric and padding, and so you can actually
• 54:07
  do that. That's not what we did though. When I was a kid,
• 54:10
  we used towels wrapped around dal Rod's or we used We tried the yardstick
• 54:15
  thing and that didn't work out so well. And then we did like we
• 54:20
  we would take willow branches when the leaves would fall, and then then they
• 54:23
  had these long, long, whip like branches that would fall off with the
• 54:30
  after the leaves fell. And uh, those those were quite like if you
• 54:37
  got hit on bare skin with that, it would it would cut you.
• 54:42
  It didn't just raise a welt, it would cut you. So you had
• 54:45
  to be skilled with it. We got in trouble for that one too,
• 54:47
  and BB gun fights like we we had BB gun fights until one of the
• 54:52
  guys over pumped the BB gun and shot one of the gals in the butt
• 54:58
  because she had decided to do the b begun fight with shorts on and it
• 55:01
  embedded into her flesh. And her father took away the be beguns and you
• 55:08
  know, redistributed them to the parents as as desired. But but yeah,
• 55:15
  we we had an interesting time in the neighborhood growing up when I was a
• 55:19
  kid. But this this, yeah, as I was about to say,
• 55:24
  play needn't involved weapons at all. This is why boys like wrestling so much,
• 55:30
  because there's no law in the land that can take away weapons so as
• 55:36
  to prevent boys from wrestling each other. All you need is a soft surface.
• 55:40
  And I guess you could take away our soft surfaces from us if you
• 55:45
  want just that. You can take away our fucking flax jackets. No,
• 55:49
  you know what we're in today. Do the punish them for fighting? Like,
• 55:52
  no, we weren't fighting. We were just wrestling. We were just
• 55:53
  rough housing. What's that you know? They don't That's where that's where it
• 55:58
  all begins. We like, we liked to blame the government for taking away
• 56:01
  all our weapons, but it really starts with disgruntled mothers who have no idea
• 56:07
  how to take the fun away from their sons and their husbands other than by
• 56:12
  getting the government to do it for them. It's sad. Wise. Men
• 56:16
  will always find ways to amuse themselves with competition and with physical rough housing,
• 56:22
  and women will always find a way to get ahead of them in the arms
• 56:25
  race. Sooner or late, they'll make it illegal for boys to wrestle each
• 56:30
  other. I don't know how, but they will. Oh god, I
• 56:34
  just predicted the future again. I'm sorry. No, don't don't worry,
• 56:38
  because it's already it's they're already kind of doing that. I mean, Olympic
• 56:45
  wrestling has been under attack at the university level for well some like twenty years
• 56:51
  now under Title nine, so it's kind of already happening. But in any
• 56:59
  case, yeah, women, women will take anything that they have a hand
• 57:02
  to beat you with it, whether it's an inanimate object or information or the
• 57:07
  government or whatever. And that's another thing, honestly, that makes it dishonest
• 57:13
  to say that women don't have control over over like the the finances of their
• 57:20
  home at all. For instance, they look at you know, who earns
• 57:28
  the most money in various countries and who has bank accounts in various countries,
• 57:37
  But do they consider, you know, on whose behalf money is being spent
• 57:43
  under guardianship? For instance, in uh in Middle Eastern countries, women may
• 57:52
  not you know, just independently go get a job. But part of the
• 57:57
  reason is because they don't have to pay taxes on their income. Their husband
• 58:02
  does. So it's he has to give his permission for her to get a
• 58:07
  job. Because if she gets a job that makes a significant amount of money
• 58:10
  and then refuses to allow taxes to be taken out of that money and spends
• 58:17
  it all on herself because she's not required to spend it on her family,
• 58:21
  she can spend it on herself. Then he's stuck trying to pay taxes on
• 58:27
  income that he has no control over, you know. And so that's that's
• 58:31
  one thing. She may not have a lot of control over his income,
• 58:37
  but if he doesn't spend his income ensuring her economic welfare, that she has
• 58:44
  a place to live, that she has sufficient clothing, and that she has
• 58:49
  sufficient food and so on, if he is starving her if he is you
• 58:54
  know, keeping her in a in an unsafe or unsuitable place, if she's
• 59:01
  unable to comply with religious law because he doesn't pay for the things that she
• 59:07
  needs to do, that he gets in trouble. Right, he's the one
• 59:10
  in violation of the law. And so that is a woman having control over
• 59:16
  income as well, just by virtue of being the requirement. Right, there
• 59:24
  is no such requirement on women's income where she has to spend a portion of
• 59:30
  it ensuring her husband's economic welfare. Because she's the person being provided for.
• 59:37
  It's not her responsibility to be the provider, you know, Like in the
• 59:43
  United States, that's an unfamiliar thing for a lot of women, and so
• 59:47
  they see these women as captive, and a lot of women are in countries
• 59:54
  with guardianship are deciding that as well. They don't like the situation and they
• 1:00:00
  want to change it, and they're they're playing victim of it without considering the
• 1:00:06
  impact that it has also on the men around them. And you know,
• 1:00:10
  when we hear about it, and we hear about how bad it is for
• 1:00:14
  women and how it isn't bad at all for men, they'll talk about,
• 1:00:19
  you know, this this oil baron or you know that chic. But they
• 1:00:23
  don't necessarily talk about the lower income brackets of men, right, the majority
• 1:00:30
  of the population who doesn't necessarily have a very high income, and women can
• 1:00:38
  take them to court, you know, to family court for failure to support
• 1:00:45
  or failure to treat her right when their income doesn't give them the capability and
• 1:00:53
  their position in society or their education or their capabilities don't allow them to increase
• 1:01:01
  it. So that that's something that doesn't get taken into consideration by feminists when
• 1:01:07
  they talk about this. There's there's different ways to have control over something.
• 1:01:15
  There's having it in your hands and being able to use it as a tool
• 1:01:19
  yourself, and then there's also being the beneficiary of mandatory use on your behalf
• 1:01:28
  by another person, and where where your satisfaction with how that other person uses
• 1:01:35
  that tool on your behalf is a contributing factor to whether or not they get
• 1:01:39
  in trouble for how they do that. And in a lot of places where
• 1:01:45
  we're told women don't have control over any income, that is the case.
• 1:01:49
  Now. I don't know, I don't have data on sub Saharan Africa,
• 1:01:53
  but I would bet that the reason that banking isn't universal there is because first
• 1:02:01
  of all, income is probably not supportive of universal banking. There's probably more
• 1:02:09
  Indie farming. Then there's probably more poverty, and then you know, it's
• 1:02:15
  like you can't bank accounts are not allowed to be empty, right, So
• 1:02:22
  if you have no dollars or whatever currency your your nation has, you have
• 1:02:27
  zero currency, you're not going to need a bank account to hold it.
• 1:02:34
  You know, you're not going to need a bank account to help you spend
• 1:02:37
  it. And if all of your purchases are made in your community and you're
• 1:02:43
  not trading currency but labor or goods, you know, I went out and
• 1:02:52
  hunted this this animal, and now I have a skin. I would like
• 1:02:55
  to trade this skin for these items. You can't deposit animal skins in the
• 1:03:00
  bank either, right, or your labor. Right. You can't trade favors
• 1:03:08
  with your neighbor through the bank. So, uh, that's that's why.
• 1:03:14
  And women do that more than men. Men have steady jobs because they have
• 1:03:20
  to support a household. But the the barter economy among women, even in
• 1:03:27
  the United States, is alive in kicking right. One of my uh,
• 1:03:34
  one of my few like designer type articles of clothing when I was growing up.
• 1:03:44
  Was a dress that my mom wanted me to have for some high school
• 1:03:49
  dance. I think it might have been a homecoming or a you know,
• 1:03:51
  one of the more formal dances that I wasn't sure I wanted to go to.
• 1:03:58
  But when when it was decided that I was going, uh, you
• 1:04:01
  know, she she got a pattern and she got fabric and she was going
• 1:04:04
  to make the dress. Well, then we had a I had a classmate
• 1:04:08
  who has his mom wanted family portraits. But she didn't have money to pay
• 1:04:14
  for the family portrait. But she was as much of a seamstress, is
• 1:04:17
  as good of a seamstress as my mom. So they traded. Mom did
• 1:04:21
  photography for her and she made the dress and uh, and it was it
• 1:04:28
  was a fairly even trade because that that tailoring, you know, work as
• 1:04:31
  a as a seamstress is actually highly skilled work, and so is portrait photography.
• 1:04:40
  And uh, and that was the trade. We do that a lot.
• 1:04:45
  My I traded childcare with my friends. We didn't do, uh,
• 1:04:49
  getting involved with organizations that provide childcare, because you can't trust them, right.
• 1:04:56
  We've traded assistance, moving, we've traded working on like my husband has
• 1:05:01
  worked on other people's cars. I've helped other people with with housework and kitchen
• 1:05:09
  work and stuff. And we've also had help with you know, like if
• 1:05:13
  our cars are out of commission all at once for some reason, which right
• 1:05:18
  now that's three out of four one of them we're trying to get rid of
• 1:05:23
  because it's dead. But you know that that has been I've always been able
• 1:05:31
  to count on a ride from somebody we trade. We don't necessarily well,
• 1:05:36
  how do you count that in this? This is this idea of control over
• 1:05:43
  uh spending? Right? Do I do? I do? Do? I
• 1:05:47
  submit data on other people's use of their their fuel and their car for my
• 1:05:54
  benefit? And in response to I baby sat there kid five years ago and
• 1:06:00
  like that, that's not something that you measure very easily. It takes a
• 1:06:05
  lot more work to look into that and accurately describe that then it does to
• 1:06:13
  say, well, more women work part time and more men work full time,
• 1:06:16
  so they don't have control over money because it's bull And in countries where
• 1:06:21
  there is a welfare system whatever it's called in different countries, that's another one
• 1:06:31
  that they're not going to count. You know, if he has to have
• 1:06:40
  a full time job to pay for his groceries. But because she has two
• 1:06:44
  children, she gets food stamps and doesn't necessarily have to worry about them getting
• 1:06:51
  taken away from her anytime soon. And you know, if he has to
• 1:06:56
  pay his doctor bills with money, but she has medicaid, if he has
• 1:07:03
  you know, his full rent to pay, but she lives in Section eight
• 1:07:09
  housing or gets rent assistance, and that then she has control over as much
• 1:07:17
  and sometimes more money than he does. But it's tax payer dollars and it
• 1:07:24
  doesn't count in these studies. They don't they don't look into that. So
• 1:07:30
  it looks like he has control over a lot of money and she has control
• 1:07:34
  over none, when actually she has an income that's equivalent to a full time
• 1:07:41
  job. Plus that's so fucked up because if you if you did factor that
• 1:07:46
  in, I'm sure that women would come out ahead. Oh yeah, it
• 1:07:51
  depends on, like it did, depending on how many kids you have in
• 1:07:55
  your home that you're supporting, and what size of living space you qualify for
• 1:08:01
  because of that, and how much you qualify for in financial assistance, in
• 1:08:09
  food stamp assistance, in medical care assistance, you know, and so on.
• 1:08:15
  If you're on Medicaid and you go to the doctor and Medicaid doesn't cover
• 1:08:20
  the full doctor bill. The doctor cannot charge the patient more money on top
• 1:08:27
  of what Medicaid pays them. That you have to take what Medicaid pays and
• 1:08:31
  leave it at that. So, if you have a kid that like and
• 1:08:36
  this is in urban areas, and in particular in impoverished neighborhoods that are maybe
• 1:08:44
  right up against industrial areas where the air quality is lower than it is out
• 1:08:48
  in the suburbs just slightly, you have more asthma, You have more allergies,
• 1:08:56
  You have other health problems that may be related to diet or poor living
• 1:09:01
  conditions. You may live in a building that has a mold problem that's being
• 1:09:06
  hidden from you or that you just don't know you can do anything about it.
• 1:09:13
  You know, there may be all kinds that there's also more abuse and
• 1:09:15
  neglect in those neighborhoods and everything, right, so, you know, you
• 1:09:19
  may see women spending tens of thousands of dollars in medical care that they don't
• 1:09:27
  have to pay for, but their kid goes to the hospital on a regular
• 1:09:33
  basis with an asthma attack or a diabetic emergency or injuries or as a result
• 1:09:42
  of violence in their neighborhood, and none of that gets counted in these studies.
• 1:09:48
  Right, If she doesn't have to pay a fifty thousand dollars hospital bill
• 1:09:56
  after surgeons had to remove a bullet from her son's shoulder because you paid for
• 1:10:03
  it, that doesn't count in these studies. So the guy down the street
• 1:10:10
  has to pay all of his own medical bills and can't afford to go to
• 1:10:12
  the doctor, but has more documented money going through his hands that he earned.
• 1:10:21
  He looks like he has control over more income, but maybe he only
• 1:10:25
  has control over thirty thousand a year, and maybe she has control over more
• 1:10:30
  like one hundred thousand a year and half of it is medical bills and the
• 1:10:33
  rest of it is mostly entitlement programs. Right. And it's not that she
• 1:10:42
  sees herself living high on the hog. Right, She's in a bad neighborhood.
• 1:10:45
  She's been housing that has drug users in it, maybe has to step
• 1:10:51
  over addicts in the street on her way to take her kid to the doctor.
• 1:10:58
  So it's not like she's living necessarily well, but it's costing her,
• 1:11:02
  or it's costing you as much as if she was, and you know,
• 1:11:10
  feminists will will tell you this woman has control over no income, and when
• 1:11:15
  actually she has control over quite a bit. It's just that her circumstances,
• 1:11:20
  by choice, have caused her use of it to be very ineffective in improving
• 1:11:31
  her quality of life. So so he says significant portions of women have limited
• 1:11:40
  influence over major household spending decisions. But he's limiting influence to authority right where
• 1:11:51
  if you know she's the moral measuring stick for how that money is spent,
• 1:11:56
  he's not counting that. And he says in developing countries, only fifty nine
• 1:12:00
  percent of women have a bank account account compared to sixty seven percent of men.
• 1:12:05
  Well, if it's the man who is responsible for paying rent, mortgage
• 1:12:15
  or outright buying a home, paying for transportation, things that you can't barter
• 1:12:23
  for but have to pay for with money, and it's the man who's responsible
• 1:12:27
  for funding all of the household expenses, then he's more likely to need a
• 1:12:33
  bank account and use one. So there you go. And then he says
• 1:12:41
  in Sub Saharan Africa, the number of women with an account is less than
• 1:12:43
  thirty percent. But again I question the validity of that argument, because again
• 1:12:50
  is this amostionally barter economy. And he didn't actually say how many men have
• 1:12:56
  bank accounts there either? I noticed, But is this a mostly barter economy?
• 1:13:00
  Is this an economy where in a marriage, a male is obligated,
• 1:13:06
  the husband is obligated by by law to take care of his wife or by
• 1:13:12
  by social agreement, you know, by cultural standards, and if he doesn't,
• 1:13:16
  he gets punished. Is she his moral measuring stick? Because if that's
• 1:13:19
  the case, then it's a lie to say that she has no control over
• 1:13:25
  their income. So that's that section. Let's see how see where we are.
• 1:13:33
  Paternity fraud is short, so we're going to get into it. And
• 1:13:39
  this is this is interesting, right because he he just states this out right
• 1:13:43
  fact. Levels of paternity fraud are very low. MRA's claim that there are
• 1:13:49
  high levels of paternity fraud. And why is that? Why there's a thirty
• 1:13:57
  three chance that the child that you think yours is not yours? Yeah,
• 1:14:00
  I was gonna say, the genetic not research, but your your family history
• 1:14:13
  uh seeking companies right, Genetic testing companies that find out who your relatives are
• 1:14:17
  are proving to h to to actually create havoc in a lot of households because
• 1:14:25
  of that. But yeah, fact, levels of paternity fraud are very low.
• 1:14:29
  And then then then he goes on to say that MRAs claim there are
• 1:14:31
  high levels of paternity fraud and which women lie about who the father or their
• 1:14:35
  child is. The actual evidence of misattributed paternity shows that the actual rate is
• 1:14:40
  around one percent, despite the widespread myth that ten to thirty percent of births
• 1:14:45
  involve a father other than the identified one. But what is he citing a
• 1:14:51
  study from two thousand and five or at least writing from two thousand and five,
• 1:14:59
  and and that is uh, that is before it was common for for
• 1:15:05
  people to just go get a pater or a paternity test or a DNA test
• 1:15:11
  about their family history and so on. Uh. And there's there's more and
• 1:15:15
  more stories coming out of young people that have looked into their ancestry or dads
• 1:15:21
  that have gotten you know, their their kids ancestry dot com or twenty three
• 1:15:30
  and meters or other organizations looking into their family history and and getting a DNA
• 1:15:36
  test as part of that and come to find out he's not the father.
• 1:15:42
  So two thousand and five, that is outdated. Usually I don't I don't
• 1:15:46
  call research outdated, as as my main argument, but because that significant change
• 1:15:55
  in how we find things out has happened, it's that outdated, very outdated.
• 1:16:01
  And the other thing is there are other issues. We don't just say
• 1:16:08
  that there are high levels of paternity fraud. And frankly, in my opinion,
• 1:16:11
  at one percent is a high level. That's too many. One If
• 1:16:14
  one in one hundred men have to be worried that the woman who told them
• 1:16:20
  they are the father lied, that's that's a lot. Because you look at
• 1:16:30
  how many births there are just in the United States every year, and our
• 1:16:33
  birth rate's not particularly high, right, It's it's really, uh, that's
• 1:16:43
  a lot of families where a guy has been told he's the father of a
• 1:16:47
  child and he supported that child, and then it turns out that no,
• 1:16:53
  he's not, you know, and it does wreak havoc. And the other
• 1:16:58
  thing is, yeah, the issue of women naming a father in order to
• 1:17:03
  get child support or in order to qualify for social welfare programs, because you
• 1:17:12
  know, and this is one that Republicans take the blame for this squarely.
• 1:17:19
  It didn't used to be that in order for a woman who is single mom
• 1:17:27
  to receive public assistance. She had to name the father of the child.
• 1:17:32
  Well, now that she does, and it's so that the state can go
• 1:17:35
  after him for child support. And it's on the premise that doing so recovers
• 1:17:44
  expenses. But the amount that the country spends collecting that child support is ridiculously
• 1:17:54
  high in comparison to what is collected, and so it's very deceptive to say
• 1:18:00
  that it recovers expenses because you're actually paying people an annual salary and benefits to
• 1:18:06
  do that. They have to be in a building. The building has to
• 1:18:10
  have utilities, and it has to be maintained, it has to be cleaned,
• 1:18:15
  So on top of the expenses related directly, you also have the expenses
• 1:18:21
  of maintaining the system. And then if the collection has to be done through
• 1:18:30
  force or coercion, you have the court system getting involved and that there are
• 1:18:34
  expenses there. And then you also have the banking system getting involved, you
• 1:18:40
  know, if if there's bank accounts or the wage garnishment system, so you
• 1:18:46
  have an employer who is also having to pay their accountant to deal with wage
• 1:18:53
  garnishment. So it's definitely not honest to uh pretend that collection of child support
• 1:19:01
  offsets welfare it doesn't necessarily pay for itself. But now because of that,
• 1:19:10
  there are women who lie about who the father is because if they don't,
• 1:19:14
  they can't get they can't get their their welfare checks, they can't get their
• 1:19:17
  food stamps, they can't get their housing paid for. You know, Rather
• 1:19:23
  than go out and get a job or maybe not make babies with men they're
• 1:19:27
  not going to marry and create a household with to raise the children together as
• 1:19:30
  part of an intact family, they lie, and it's it's getting discovered more
• 1:19:40
  and more. But the other thing is, our biggest argument about paternity fraud
• 1:19:45
  is that it is reprehensible and tolerated in society. It doesn't have to be
• 1:19:55
  common. If one in one hundred men that that one in a hundred fathers
• 1:20:00
  is actually not the father, and they find out they're not the father,
• 1:20:06
  it doesn't stop the child from the government from going after them for child support.
• 1:20:13
  Right if they find out they're not the father in a marriage and there
• 1:20:15
  is a divorce because of it, the state may still impose child support because
• 1:20:23
  they acted as the father. Right. Nobody considers when a woman lies and
• 1:20:30
  says that her husband or the boyfriend with the most money is the father of
• 1:20:38
  her baby, that she is denying the child an opportunity to have a relationship
• 1:20:44
  with his real father, and the real father an opportunity to have a relationship
• 1:20:48
  with his child. Right that the trauma isn't just it's to the man who
• 1:20:56
  is lied to, And there's a grieving. I've seen men go through this
• 1:21:00
  process. They find out their child, who they love is not their child,
• 1:21:06
  and they go it's like they lost a kid, It's like their kid
• 1:21:12
  died. It hurts, and yet feminists want to treat it as if it's
• 1:21:19
  not a big deal. Right. It is one of the most abusive things
• 1:21:24
  that you can do, one of the most psychologically abusive things that you can
• 1:21:29
  do. You take away somebody's whole identity. That way, a kid loses
• 1:21:34
  their entire family. If your dad isn't your dad, your dad's parents are
• 1:21:40
  not your grandparents. Your dad's siblings are not your aunts and uncles, their
• 1:21:44
  children are not your cousins. Right, your whole one side of your whole
• 1:21:49
  family just suddenly is no longer your family, not biologically anyway. They might
• 1:21:57
  still love you, you might still love them, but there's now all a
• 1:22:00
  rift or a wall. And then on top of that, if you're ten
• 1:22:04
  years old when you find out you missed out on ten years with your real
• 1:22:11
  dad, you'd missed out on ten years knowing who your real dad is,
• 1:22:14
  or you find out that your real dad is a loser or an asshole or
• 1:22:18
  dead, or you know your mom doesn't know who he is, right,
• 1:22:25
  so you don't get that relationship, and you didn't get a chance to find
• 1:22:28
  out. And that's if you find out when you're a kid. If you're
• 1:22:30
  twenty years old, when you find out you spent your whole childhood not knowing
• 1:22:36
  your real dad, not knowing your real grandparents, not knowing your real aunts
• 1:22:41
  and uncles, not knowing your real cousins, and your siblings are now only
• 1:22:46
  your half siblings, and it's kind of weird. The situation becomes weird.
• 1:22:49
  It's not weird if you grow up that way and you know, but it's
• 1:22:55
  weird if it changes suddenly. So it's a massive trauma to inflict on your
• 1:23:00
  family. It's not a little white lie. It's not protecting family harmony like
• 1:23:09
  the French government says, and their their choice to outlaw just getting a paternity
• 1:23:14
  test and finding out. But but you know, not a big deal,
• 1:23:21
  right, Not a big deal at all. That's that's the feminist outlook.
• 1:23:27
  It only happens to a few men. It's not a big deal, you
• 1:23:30
  know, Like cannibal serial killers are also kind of rare in comparison to the
• 1:23:34
  overall size of the population, but we're still horrified by what they do.
• 1:23:41
  I can't understand why people aren't horrified by this. I would be if that
• 1:23:49
  happened to me, you know, I would be heartbroken and angry. The
• 1:23:56
  grieving process would happen, the anger cycle would happen. I might even want
• 1:24:03
  to take legal action, you know. It just I cannot imagine. And
• 1:24:12
  and you would never trust your mother again either, So that's another loss.
• 1:24:20
  But I don't know if anything I didn't cover on that. Guys, I
• 1:24:27
  think we're good. I think we can we can speed onwards the end of
• 1:24:32
  ever. Talking about Michael Flood again, I'm I'm not one hundred percent sure.
• 1:24:36
  I want to get into the women and children first thing, because there's
• 1:24:45
  research that he cited that I actually want to open and look at when we
• 1:24:49
  go over that. I read ahead on this, and I will say this
• 1:24:53
  for a preview for next week. His claim is that we as UH movement
• 1:25:00
  claim that the chivalric notion of women and children first rules in shipping disasters,
• 1:25:08
  such that women are prioritized over men. Right. That's not entirely the claim.
• 1:25:17
  We have used the Titanic as an example. But it's not just it's
• 1:25:26
  not just UH that women and children are put first, right, It's it's
• 1:25:30
  that when an order like that goes out, it doesn't take into consideration the
• 1:25:41
  value of men to their family and and so on. So it's it should
• 1:25:48
  never happen. It should never be women and children first, right, especially
• 1:25:57
  like in our household when my kids were little, when our kids were little,
• 1:26:01
  if we had to make a decision like that, I actually had nightmares
• 1:26:06
  about that, where we would be in a situation where definitely, no matter
• 1:26:14
  what we did, one of us was going to die. And I went
• 1:26:16
  through the logic of it. If my husband died, my son would have
• 1:26:23
  lost contact with his sisters, They would have lost contact with their brother,
• 1:26:27
  his ex wife would not have allowed them to see each other, And the
• 1:26:32
  obvious solution would have been that I would have had to make the sacrifice because
• 1:26:39
  it would have been the only way that the family had any opportunity of staying
• 1:26:43
  together. And so if they forced me onto a lifeboat and him to go
• 1:26:48
  down with a ship, the kids would have suffered because of that in ways
• 1:26:54
  that would have been unanticipated by the women and children first mantra shouting uh people,
• 1:27:01
  and there is a social attitude and it is condemned like it. When
• 1:27:08
  it's not women and children first, men are treated like cowards. But when
• 1:27:14
  it is women and children first, women don't get treated like cowards. So
• 1:27:18
  that's it's a much more complicated issue than he's making it. But next week
• 1:27:21
  we'll look at this this uh where it's his research on a large sample of
• 1:27:26
  ship disasters finds that the survival rate of women is only half that of men.
• 1:27:30
  There's some chicanery going on with that claim. Uh so, so we'll
• 1:27:36
  look at that, uh that next week and uh and that's that's where we'll
• 1:27:43
  start and uh and then after that, of course, we have women and
• 1:27:48
  men's homicides against children and women and men's homicides against inanimate partners. And his
• 1:27:58
  dad is only going to come from from Australia. I think that's where he
• 1:28:03
  might be. Uh So that's why. But yeah, Tyler Preston, you're
• 1:28:12
  right, the author is full of shit. We understand that clearly. So
• 1:28:18
  before yeah, or I I like the nickname Michael Fraud honestly because a lot
• 1:28:27
  of this is quite dishonest. But so I don't. I don't think we
• 1:28:31
  actually got any super chats. I didn't see any super chats. So let
• 1:28:36
  me look at the chat in Okay, so we don't have I don't see
• 1:28:45
  any rumble rants that are paid. I'm going to read we got one super
• 1:28:51
  chow. Richard Bierre gave us five dollars and said, remember when the television
• 1:28:56
  stations used to turn off after a certain hour, they usually the sign off
• 1:29:00
  included the national anthem, And yes, I do remember that, and it's
• 1:29:04
  it's funny too because it was. It was actually featured in movies as a
• 1:29:10
  way to tell what time the television would go off. There were a couple
• 1:29:15
  of things that happened with television and in the United States that you would see
• 1:29:24
  portrayed in movies that would that people would know what time it was in the
• 1:29:29
  movie based on what was on the television. For instance, if you saw
• 1:29:33
  a news broadcast and and it was maybe twilight or close to twilight, you
• 1:29:42
  would know it was around six o'clock because there was the six o'clock news,
• 1:29:45
  and the news wasn't on all day. There were not channels that broadcast news
• 1:29:51
  all day until I was in I want to say high school, and that
• 1:29:58
  was a paid channel. I think c SPAN was a paid channel, like
• 1:30:04
  over and above your basic cable program. And then if you saw you know
• 1:30:11
  the do you know where your children are? Announcement, it would start with
• 1:30:15
  this really broadcast it's ten o'clock do you know where your children are? And
• 1:30:20
  my parents always thought they knew where we were, but quite frequently when they
• 1:30:25
  thought we were in bed, I was hiding behind one of their chairs watching
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  the television. So I actually saw that commercial and had to stifle giggles because
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  they thought I was in bed and I was in the living room. But
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  it was really about parents not having a track of whether their children are at
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  home or not by ten o'clock at night, right, And then at I
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  want to say it was eleven o'clock, not midnight, when the television stations
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  would go off the air and they would play a series of images and the
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  national anthem would be broadcast with it, and then at the end, I
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  think it ended with the flag raising at Iwo Jima, and so it was
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  kind of a weird thing. And then then it would go to static.
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  And if you went to like if you stayed at a hotel, you could
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  count on using the television, the static from the television as your white noise
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  so that you could sleep because it would sound as close to your box fan
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  or your air conditioner at home that that was your white noise, and it
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  would block out noise from other hotel rooms unless it was really loud. So
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  yeah, I remember all of that. That was I'm old. I remember
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  reading TV guards from the eighties and every every night, in the middle of
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  the night, there would be this show on TV called Close. And I
• 1:32:00
  used to wonder, what is this TV show called Close? Why is it
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  on so late at night? And why is it on every single night?
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  What do they talk about Close? And it turns out now that was just
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  the indication of when the programming closed, Yes, because it was closed.
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  It turns out that's all it was. And it was just this you know,
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  test card. It's like that when we have with the colors and stuff,
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  and it was this weird picture with this girl and a clown and a
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  chalkboard playing knots and cross the playing tech tac toe as you'll record, and
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  it's and and and now I find myself longing for the days when there was
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  a close because there is no clothes anymore. They just pump shit into your
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  house twenty four hours a day. And now I long for the day when
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  the TV guide reads nothing but close. Yeah, I mean close. It
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  just it opens, I don't know, midday that day and then it just
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  closes. I e. There is no TV anymore, and we could all
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  go back to loving each other and trusting each other because we're not being poisoned
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  by these bostards. Well, I miss when television had stuff like Captain Kangaroo
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  and not Saturday morning cartoons any day we like. Yeah, I know,
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  I missed the novelty though of you know, having a television reason to get
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  up early on Saturday, even if it was if the weather was too bad
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  to go outside and play. And like I remember before it was common to
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  have a device so that you could record stuff and watch it later, so
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  you know, if if you wanted to see it, you watched it when
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  it when it broadcast, and so you got up early in the morning,
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  you watched your Saturday morning cartoons. You had your breakfast cereal in front of
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  the TV and watched commercials for your favorite cereal and we're like, I'm eating
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  that right now and it's the yummy, you know, and and uh.
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  And then you went outside and played until you were so tired that you had
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  to come in and have lunch or supper, you know, or or mom
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  called you for for food. But yeah, all of that's changed. And
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  you know, now we're when we're fighting over whether or not boys or boys
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  and girls or girls most of the time, and whether or not it's okay
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  for teachers to molest them. Totally. Like I said, this country is
• 1:34:45
  not the country I grew up in at all. In many ways, the
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  good old days were actually not just old but good. Yeah. You know,
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  when I was in high school, there was a fire in one of
• 1:34:59
  the homes in a neighborhood across town, and there was a boy in my
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  class that he had no popularity. He was quiet and shy, not not
• 1:35:15
  nerdy as in like the nerds movie nerds, like, there were a lot
• 1:35:19
  of us that were kind of like that, but he was he was just
• 1:35:23
  invisible. A lot of guys that are not necessarily high in popularity, are
• 1:35:30
  just invisible. Right. So this, this fire happens, and it happens
• 1:35:34
  at a time when either the parents weren't home or somebody was asleep, so
• 1:35:41
  it got out of control before they started getting out of the house, and
• 1:35:46
  there were kids in the house that couldn't figure out how to get out,
• 1:35:50
  and he went in and got each one of them out, one at a
• 1:35:54
  time. And I think we talked about that, and he was referred to
• 1:36:01
  as a hero by the rest of our class for the whole rest of the
• 1:36:05
  school year. That year, it changed his social status. And today that'd
• 1:36:15
  be a blip on people's radar. They wouldn't talk about that, they'd talk
• 1:36:18
  about something else. How the fire started. If the parents weren't home,
• 1:36:24
  it would be, you know, a crime against humanity. Like back in
• 1:36:30
  the seventies and eighties, you could be not home for half an hour.
• 1:36:32
  You could walk to the grocery store, buy a gallon of milk and a
• 1:36:35
  loaf of bread, walk back and your kids would normally be fine, and
• 1:36:43
  it would not be something where you would expect something like that to happen,
• 1:36:47
  you know, And today even you know, even if I don't know even
• 1:36:55
  if they did acknowledge what he did, they might demonize him for other reasons.
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  Oh what were his real motives? You know? Or he broke into
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  those people's house. He's not a fireman, that's not his job. What's
• 1:37:10
  he doing? Toxic masculinity, you know, there would be no this guy
• 1:37:15
  did something great, good on him. It would be you know this,
• 1:37:19
  well, he's abnormal. Guys don't usually do great things like this, or
• 1:37:23
  you know, the parents, where were the parents, you know, And
• 1:37:27
  and they'd be demonized and we wouldn't hear anything. That's a big change that's
• 1:37:31
  taken place. I remember when I was growing up, men at least their
• 1:37:38
  their actions were recognized. They were not invisible when they did something you know,
• 1:37:45
  big and heroic, even if they were invisible because they were quiet most
• 1:37:48
  of the time. And that it's that change is really sad to me because
• 1:37:56
  it takes away from people should feel good about having done something great. You
• 1:38:04
  know, they don't have to need to be worshiped for it, but there
• 1:38:11
  should be happiness that comes from knowing that people benefited from your actions. And
• 1:38:18
  being reminded that people benefited from your actions in a big way by other people
• 1:38:27
  is part of bringing about that happiness. And it's very sad to me that
• 1:38:31
  that changed, you know, And we used to see news and movies and
• 1:38:40
  television shows about that type of heroics like that, every day X is happening,
• 1:38:46
  nobody else is here to do anything about it. I'd better take care
• 1:38:49
  of it being just a common thing among men. And it's becoming a rarity
• 1:38:57
  for people to even admit that men do that, not allowed to notice that
• 1:39:00
  anymore, And in fact, men are being treated like they've done something wrong
• 1:39:06
  for it. And I think people are really going to regret that in a
• 1:39:11
  few years. But in any case, like I said, we'll start with
• 1:39:17
  women and children first. Paternity fraud is the whole thing that he said about
• 1:39:21
  paternity fraud ended up being absolute bullshit. The only other thing I will say
• 1:39:28
  about that is I would I would caution if you're not suspicious of a paternity
• 1:39:38
  fraud, you know, like, don't go out getting twenty three and me
• 1:39:44
  and other things like that, Willie Nelly, because the cops are using that
• 1:39:48
  to find suspects, and they are falsely accusing people more often than they are
• 1:39:56
  identifying perpetrators. If your DNA is similar enough to the perpetrator. And there's
• 1:40:04
  been instances where the match has been an infant, right and they go look
• 1:40:10
  in and they find out, oh, no, it's an infant. Well,
• 1:40:12
  then they of course are going to look at the rest of the family.
• 1:40:15
  But if the match is the same familial relationship that that infant was in
• 1:40:20
  that case, but the individual is twenty, then they might just say,
• 1:40:26
  well, we've got our guy, even if it's not true. So you
• 1:40:30
  have to be really careful with that. If you do have suspicion, it's
• 1:40:33
  better to at least go through a medical facility because there's one additional hurdle between
• 1:40:44
  that and the cops. Then that's HIPPA. It doesn't stop them entirely,
• 1:40:50
  but it does make it less likely they don't. They can't just dragnet medical
• 1:40:59
  DNA time, but they sort of do, and they do it what sort
• 1:41:03
  of unethically and illegally with publicly available consumer DNA testing. And we have not
• 1:41:14
  our country hasn't done anything in the United States. There's other countries too where
• 1:41:18
  this has happened, and nothing's been done to protect the privacy of citizens and
• 1:41:24
  to protect citizens against being falsely accused because their DNA is almost but not quite
• 1:41:30
  a match, or is a match, but they're not the perpetrator, the
• 1:41:36
  just a. I guess that's my PSA for the night, and with that
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  I will thank everybody for listening. This is I don't like making this a
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  really long show because this is not tolerable right going through this crap. So
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  thanks for listening to the Rancid Sausage. Thanks to my two co hosts for
• 1:42:00
  sticking out the rancid sausage, and thanks to everybody who works in the background
• 1:42:02
  and make HBr talk happen. Good Night all rancid but sure, good night,
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  Good night,