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Ferrari Fridays: Gotham Garage Goes Exotic - But at What Cost? · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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As part of Ferrari Fridays, William Ross from the Exotic Car Marketplace
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will be discussing all things Ferrari and interviewing people that live
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and breathe the Ferrari brand.
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Topics range from road cars to racing, drivers to owners, as well
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as auctions, private sales, and trends in the collector market.
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Hello, everyone.
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Welcome back to the Ferrari Marketplace.
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You know me, William.
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And I got my buddy and partner here, Eric, on the other side of this.
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And we're going to revisit, I guess you could say.
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We had a review of the Car Masters episodes being shown on Netflix.
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It kind of left it at a cliffhanging moment, which they really didn't
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go back into more into season six.
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They just went a completely different route.
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I don't know what they're thinking at Counts Customs.
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Oh, I mean, I'm sorry.
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Gotham Garage.
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So if anyone's watching.
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Every time I see their gates, it says Gothico.
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I'm just thinking it looks just like Count's Custom.
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Man, are they just like copying those guys or what's the deal?
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Picture it, January 2024 when Season 5 came out.
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This is the first time Car Masters has aired what I call the second
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half or the next season in the same year because we've gone so long
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between seasons you almost forget.
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you're like, Oh shoot, another season of car master.
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I don't honestly, till you said something about it.
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I had completely forgot about the show.
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It was out of my mind.
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If you're watching this behind the scenes of Patreon, I dress the part.
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I got my beanie logo and I'm looking my best Mark Towley.
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Right.
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I don't have the ponytail like he does, but you know, I figured I got to dress
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the part to get into the mood for this.
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I think that ponytail is real.
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No, I think he's bald.
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He's bald under there.
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Well, I guess you would say start with season five.
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It was absolutely horrendous what these people did to this 360.
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It just got even worse for season six that just got released.
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There were some Ferraris involved in the beginning.
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There's one at the end.
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We'll get to that.
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You and I talked about the green monster, the 360.
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And as you mentioned, the season ended on a cliffhanger, which now
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we find out is West Coast exotics.
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touring the dealership.
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And at the time, Nick Smith presented a package deal, this sort of ultimatum,
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all or nothing, get into the high end community with a navy blue Ferrari
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612 Scaglietti, and then a Ferrari 458 Italia that were supposed to be
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customized with no confirmed client.
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Bargain combo for the low, low price of 290K.
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And you're sitting there going, how the hell are you getting
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these two cars for 300 grand?
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That just doesn't make sense.
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Yeah, what's going on with that?
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So they left us there.
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Again, as my wife likes to point out when we watch the show together,
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it always sort of feels like half a season at a time is what we're getting.
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And okay, so be it.
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So when we start season six, we're sort of doubling down.
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We find ourselves Resetting the entire scene like all right guys
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forget what happened in season five We're at west coast exotics again,
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and we're presented with two ferraris and we're like wait What happened
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to the blue car and the black car?
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Now we got a white car and a yellow car and instead of a 612 and a 458
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We've got a F8 Tributo and a 488 GTB.
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Yeah, completely changed.
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Completely different car.
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But the deal remains the same.
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300, 000 for these two cars.
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And I'm scratching my head.
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Even my wife's going, one of these has to be worth 300, 000 by itself.
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There's no way.
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Well, that's what was baffling me.
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It's like, all right, is it got a salvage title?
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There's something more to that story on those cars that they
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obviously don't go into at all.
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If I walked into a dealership and says, Oh, you can have this basically
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three year old car and five year old car for a two year old grand boat
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that both retailed over 300 grand brand new, just a few years ago.
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It's not like they're depreciating that bad.
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No.
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I would have said done, but obviously there's a lot more to, Hey, what's the
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story behind these cars and whatnot.
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That's why I'm saying maybe they're salvatized and whatnot because their
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intent was anyways to hack them up.
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Which is true of the 360 that they modified.
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That car was an accident car, an insurance car, a repo car.
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It was missing pieces, bumpers, all sorts of stuff.
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So in that sense, it made sense.
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We're going to take a salvage title.
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Well, we don't need to rehash that.
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There's a whole episode on that thing.
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So again, we find ourselves at West Coast Exotics with this yellow
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488 coupe and a white F8 Tributo.
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And you maintain a Ferrari market value index on your website.
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And correct me if I'm wrong, William, the F8 is trending at 350 grand by itself.
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And the 488 is around 250 grand.
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How did they end up with a two for one deal of 300k when, to me, that
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adds up to basically 700, 000 in car?
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That's even under wholesale.
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That's the other thing, too, that was kind of a scratch in my head, because
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I would love to know what the hell the background story was on those cars.
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You know, you go look at wholesale numbers on that, That's still
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way, way under wholesale numbers.
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So it's like, what is the story behind this car?
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Again, they didn't get into it.
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So who knows, but there was no physical attributes looking at the
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car saying, well, okay, there's a ding here, scratch here, dah, dah, dah.
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There was really nothing very blatant saying, all right, I
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can see why they're so cheap.
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They look fine to me.
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So, I mean, unless they had a hundred thousand miles each on them and.
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That was a steal and a half.
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I mean, that was just a no brainer.
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Just taking those just to flip them.
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Yeah.
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They might've sat on them for a bit, but I mean, you're going to make money one
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way or another on those cars as we'll get into what they did with one of them.
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But that's still a head scratcher to me, how that came about.
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And no other things, baby.
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And again, that bean bowl wholesale.
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And even if those cars have been sitting there for six, seven, eight, nine months,
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you know, obviously just taking up space, how they have their dealerships set up.
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If they're doing floor financing or what they're doing on that, if they're
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paying a nut on that every month or smart way to do it is know you own
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everything because you pay cash.
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I mean, that's the best way to ever set up your dealership if
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you ever get into that industry.
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I don't know, maybe West Coast Exotics thought, well, hey, all right,
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put our name out there with this.
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You give us five, 10 minutes of the screen time.
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And that turns into, Hey, advertising, marketing for us.
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So we can duck this because, Hey, we're getting exposure.
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Cause you have X amount of viewers and whatever, blah, blah, blah, Netflix.
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I mean, I don't know.
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I think in Hollywood, they call that product placement.
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There you go.
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There's so many ways to skin a pig, right?
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Unlike the 360 that they trailered in, they drove both those
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cars and they're street legal.
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They ran, they seem to have almost zero issues whatsoever.
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Well, before we delve into these two cars, I kind of want to get into their mindset,
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what they're thinking in regards to, Oh, we're going to take our garage this way.
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This is what we're going to get more high end stuff that I, cause they
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think, Oh, we've struck the muddle load.
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You know, they just gaudied up this 360 and whatever rich meth
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head they got to buy that car.
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Is beyond me so they're thinking oh, we got this thing and you know, they made
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good money on the car So I was saying what they say 45 grand or something like that.
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Yeah in profit So he's got all his costs everything labor and that stuff covered
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in that and so there's 45 grand profit Well, you can't ignore that say hey We're
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onto something and I like that he had enough leftover paint that he resprayed
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his truck the same color as the ferrari.
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Oh my god Florida have mercy.
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Did you notice the corvette?
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That he had in the background that was also matching the truck.
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You know, it kills me.
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Is there a, Oh, and he's always saying, Oh, I'm the creative one.
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I have all these, uh, just let my juices flow.
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Give me creative control.
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I'm just going to do it.
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I was like, Oh my God, I've seen what you do.
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That'd be a nightmare.
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If anyone's watched this show, they're not going to give you creative
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control because it's horrendous.
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Nick should understand.
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I don't know if anyone's looked into his background.
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He's got a little dealership, you know, he delves into these little cars
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I mean, he's not all just Ferraris, Lamborghinis, stuff like that.
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He gets into lesser expensive products.
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And he's known for vintage bikes as his thing.
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Yeah, how he got dang this, who knows, but it was like no real
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thought and conversation was had.
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Nick understands that market, that industry, those clients in regards
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to how it's gonna work and what these people are and how they are.
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Those other guys, they had no clue and they're just kind of going off base and
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it seems like Nick should have sat down and had a very, very serious conversation
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with him and got him, I would say, sign off, but say, look, and hammered his home
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five, six, seven different times to him.
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Say, do you understand?
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No one's going to give you carte blanche unless they're just Incredibly
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stupid or as we'll get into with that McLaren in a future episode to
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someone's a youtuber They just want to get views and hits and whatnot.
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Yeah, that was a head scratch to me, too It's like oh my god They're just
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jumping in with just completely blind not understand us at all and thinking
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oh We're gonna make 50 grand and all these we're just gonna make these things
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look ugly as shit But anyways continue there comes a couple of points in the
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first half of the season where Nick is like look whatever you do Has to
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be not so much subtle, but it needs to be in line with the ethos of Ferrari.
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Because if you do something drastic, the value of the car is
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going to plummet significantly.
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That 350 grand that that Tributo is worth.
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If they just sold it at that moment, take a hundred grand off the car easily
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because who wants a highly customized F8 Tributo or a 488 GTB or whatever.
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Now let's get into his plan a little bit.
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Because I didn't disagree with his thought process.
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The execution is something else.
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Mark turned his attention on the white car.
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Satin white finished F8 Tributo.
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And they kind of parked the 488, which was in Jalo, which is yellow, off to the side.
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And they're like, we'll deal with that car later.
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Okay, fine.
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When he first shows the plan for the Tributo, I went, ooh.
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F40.
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I like this.
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I see where you're going.
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That's kind of neat.
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You know, wide body is his thing and big wheels and, and all that kind of stuff.
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I'm glad you saw that.
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That was just a total rip off of an F40 front.
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Yeah.
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And I was like, okay, I can live with that.
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Now the back end is always a problem.
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And we'll get to that as we continue talking about these cars.
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But the front, I was like, okay, I'm on board.
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I would love to see you do this, but how are you going to do
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this without destroying the car?
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And in my opinion, that would have meant taking the hood off, taking the
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bumper off, taking the fenders off, making it so you could convert the
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car back to what it originally was.
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But you're going to have to create an F40 clamshell from scratch.
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And I don't know that that was money and time well spent in that sense.
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They nipped that in the bud pretty quick.
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Nick turns around and tells him, the guy wants some vinyls, suspension
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adjustment, and he wants wheels, and a couple other little just simple mods.
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You could tell everybody was like, why are we doing this?
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What's the point?
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Which at that moment, my wife turns and goes, you know, sometimes
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it's okay to just be a tuner shop.
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If that's what the clientele wants and you can make profit on wheels
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and you can make profit on an exhaust profits, profit, exactly.
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So I didn't take issue with it.
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I do think it was a huge letdown because there was all this buildup to what
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they were going to do with the tributo.
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And it's like.
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Okay, well you added two vinyl stripes and you put on some actually kind of
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neat looking wheels Yeah, it wasn't bad.
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I liked them I did love that the gotham garage shield double g thing
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was glued on and you could see them like With 3m tape like putting it on
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you knew that was coming right off.
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Oh exactly.
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Yeah That's another thing too, you know, and you see a lot of those that
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you see on TV and stuff and do that.
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And you see it in this series too, putting their name, everything on that.
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And you're putting it out there, but you know, it's Gaudi's it up so bad.
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I mean, and that logo sticking up there on the front.
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I mean, that's a scenario where it's saying, Hey, do you mind?
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Hey, if we do this and this, and I'd be like, if I didn't mind, I'd be
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like, well, then take some money off.
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Cause that's advertising for you.
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Yeah.
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That is a weird situation to be in.
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Now.
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I do think that those Gotham garage emblems came off pretty quickly
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after the car was the West coast.
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Yeah.
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I did check their inventory to see if either of those two cars
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are still there, and they're not.
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Not available, not for sale, so whether they haven't updated or
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they took them down because the show is airing or whatever, but they
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don't list them as available there.
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So, the Tributo, all well and good aesthetically.
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Nothing drastic, nothing major.
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The Italian stripes, Lended more to like the Lamborghini performante,
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which came with those stripes from the factory is kind of the same
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idea, especially offset asymmetrical.
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Okay.
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Nothing really original there.
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That's fine.
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Now the exhaust swap was kind of interesting, but they
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didn't make that exhaust.
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They bought that exhaust.
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That was a bolt on competition replacement exhaust or whatever,
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which then they had issues with.
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Well, that's the other thing too, is they didn't get into this.
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Oh, we got the guys coming over.
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They're going to die.
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Not see what the hell is going on with it.
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Why it's coming up.
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Then they didn't explain, oh, here's what happened.
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So obviously, I guess they fixed it.
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Maybe it's just going into the ECU.
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So, but I mean, you have no clue.
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Swap two vacuum lines because it's a baffled exhaust and away they went.
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What clued me in there is when they called West Coast and brought the guys
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over to Quote unquote, fix the car or at least help them fix the car.
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My wife and I pause and we were like, so is this the new deal?
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They're going to be doing the tuning work for West coast because
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they don't do their own tuning.
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They're the dealership.
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They just want to flip the cars and sell them.
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That's not a bad relationship.
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That's not a bad side hustle to have.
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It's like, here's a bill of materials.
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That the client wants you guys take care of it.
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We give you three or four points on the deal and the margin on the
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parts or whatever, and away you go.
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But that's not what Mark wants, right?
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Mark wants to cut these cars up.
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Which is sad because it's like to Nick's point, it takes time.
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You got to build up.
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One, I mean, that's a great upsell for West Coast, because if a guy comes in and
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says, well, I like that, but I want some more zing to it, I'm like, well, hey,
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tell you what, this is what we can do.
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We have a partner we work with, what's your thoughts and ideas, and we can get
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it done for you and do the upsell, you know, and right there, the dealership can
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tack on crap loads of profit into that.
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And then, like you said, market stuff in the back end, but what happens is,
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is the dealer says, hey, this is who we partner with, so they know who it is.
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So.
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What do they do when they get tired of that after six months a year
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or whatnot, or they got all their hits and everything they wanted
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on their channels and Instagram.
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They go back to Gotham, say, Hey, tell you what, I need a new rap.
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I need this, dah, dah, dah.
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Then you all of a sudden you get in repeat business.
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And then now this person is coming direct to you.
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So you got the full boat, you know, on this stuff.
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It's very short sighted thinking and it's kind of like ego getting in the way.
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And especially how they have that set up.
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Cause that's the other thing too, is I know in the earlier season and
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how they originally set this up is, is they all share in the profits.
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Now, like these people are getting an hourly, nothing like
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that, unless they changed it.
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I don't know, but my understanding is they all share in the profits and whatnot.
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So this is all of them.
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Basically.
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It's like an employee owned shop in essence, ESOP, whatever it is.
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Profit's profit.
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And it's not like they got 50 cars or 20 car jobs lined up, and you can turn
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and burn those things in a day or two.
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Yeah.
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That's easy money.
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Buying the wheels, fixing the stance, the exhaust might take a bit, but doing
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the vinyl wrap, whatever on it, that's a day or two depending on the extent of it.
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And it gets them into that market.
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That's the thing that I just don't understand.
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He does not see it.
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And we're still just talking about the first episode.
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And one thing that Nick said towards the end of that episode is, And I
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thought it was code for something.
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You know, you could tell there was tension between him and Mark.
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Like, things weren't going well for a while.
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And you have to imagine, ten months has gone by.
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or longer since they shot and released season 5 to season
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6 and all that kind of stuff.
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But Nick says, and he keeps saying, we got lucky with the 360.
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I was catching that too and I was like, damn straight.
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And that goes back to my comment, whatever meth head rich guy they got
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to buy that thing is, man they should have been thanking the man upstairs for
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that because god that thing was so ugly.
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You know, I, I'm using the word someone said on the show, they use that.
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And I was like, that is just sums everything up right there in that car.
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Cause it was just absolutely gaudy as anything.
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I mean, that's, I was just got stupid money and saying, ah, you know what?
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I'm going to be on the show and I don't care.
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I got dropped 160, 170 grand wherever it was.
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They sold it for, you know, and who cares?
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You know, he's just got dumb money.
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Look at it this way.
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A year later, we're still talking about the green monster.
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So, yeah, I mean, I, yeah, I guess.
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Yeah.
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What, what's that saying?
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It is all publicity is good publicity, even if it's bad.
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There you go.
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Yeah.
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Unless you're Diddy.
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Let's talk a little bit about the 488 sitting in the corner.
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We don't know what the heck's going on with this Jalo 488 GTB.
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That yellow is beautiful.
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I mean, and that's a factory colored car.
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Even that we makes it a little, I would say rare, but I'm not a fan
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of yellow Ferraris, but the 488 wears it well, which is surprising.
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You know what I mean?
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I'm like, ah, actually it looks pretty good.
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I think the 488 honestly looks worse in red.
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You know, if I had to choose between ketchup and mustard, probably
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go with the yellow in that case.
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Granted, I'm a big fan of gray and black Ferraris, but that's
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a whole nother story, right?
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We sort of pan left suddenly, and Nick shows up with a McLaren.
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Like, after the F8's gone, we're on to the next exotic, and I'm like, McLaren?
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Okay.
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Out of left field, all of a sudden, it's just, and again, they
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just drop the whole storyline.
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You have to guarantee that there's a lot of people watch.
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Well, what the hell happened to them?
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What'd you guys do?
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I mean, did you just sell them?
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It'd take you a minute and a half or not even just to kind of go in the
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storyline saying, well, Hey, you know, we whole set out or we did this or we
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gave it back to, you know, whatever.
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Tell people what you end up doing with the car because it's just hanging out there.
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They know they have the client and the customer.
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They dialed up the F8, which again, didn't turn out bad.
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Looked pretty good.
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But what did you do?
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You always see is Nick driving out with the car.
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That's it.
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On to the next one.
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Then there's McClaren.
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I knew something was up.
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Even my wife says this feels a little staged because of all the
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tape and the cardboard and all the stuff that they were mocking up.
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They weren't really working on it like they would something else.
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They started to do that with the Tributo as well, where they were like, well, this
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is where we're going to cut the fenders.
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And they weren't really, it was all just tape and magic markers,
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you know, that kind of stuff.
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I don't know if Mark actually knew this kid was a kid.
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What was he maybe 20 years old?
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YouTuber, TikToker.
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At best, if that, and you would think the kid must've been all hyped
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up on his Adderall or something.
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Cause I mean, he came in just all geeked up.
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I mean, he was thinking need for speed underground.
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It was like, we're going to put led lights and we're going to
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big wheels and wings and flames.
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And I'm like, Holy cow.
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That is Mark's target audience is the people that are really
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into, as my wife likes to call it.
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Hot Wheels cars.
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Yeah.
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And that's a shtick and that's fine.
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And he does that really, really well.
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But I was like, this is a new McLaren.
17:32
Like seriously.
17:33
And then Nick shows up with his dad.
17:36
Yeah.
17:37
And I, I'm gonna say it this way, shit gets real fast.
17:39
Oh, gotcha.
17:41
And you know, and you have to wonder too.
17:42
And in that scenario I would put out some of that, blame a
17:45
good portion of that on Nick.
17:46
Nick had to have known the whole situation because I would have to
17:49
say, I mean, I can't imagine some young kid like that came to me.
17:52
My first thing to go, so wait, is this your car titled in your name?
17:56
You can do what you want.
17:56
Dad's not involved.
17:57
Mom's not involved and get it clarified.
17:59
Cause then if he says, Oh yeah, it's mine.
18:00
Okay.
18:01
Then you put it on the kid.
18:02
But if he would just went blind, the kind of this kid reached out
18:04
and says, Hey, I got a McLaren.
18:05
I want to do this stuff.
18:06
And just like, yeah, okay.
18:07
We can do it, you know, and not really doing some due diligence.
18:10
I'm at some egg on your face.
18:11
I also feel like it was a little petty.
18:14
My wife said it Felt like Nick was trying to prove a point to the crew because
18:19
the dad was really open and transparent.
18:21
That was not scripted.
18:23
He was like, what are you thinking?
18:24
The value of this car?
18:25
Like he went on this tirade about, you know, not no way, not know how.
18:29
And I was like, amen.
18:30
And you could see when they would shoot Nick in the background, he had this
18:34
cat eating the canary grin on his face.
18:36
Like I'm making my point very clear that you cannot do what
18:40
you want to do with these cars.
18:42
These types of buyers are all going to be kind of cut from this mold, so pay
18:46
very close attention to what he's saying because that's what they're going to want
18:49
and that's what they're going to pay for.
18:51
Another thing too, and again it's a missed opportunity because it kind of
18:53
goes back to what they did in the F8.
18:55
Someone could have stepped in and it should have been Nick.
18:57
Tell you what, we obviously want to do some of this with the car.
19:00
He wants to do this with it.
19:02
Where's our happy medium?
19:03
Okay, well let's not do all the fun stuff.
19:05
What if we got into doing this?
19:06
And again, it's baby steps.
19:08
Putting the underground light in it.
19:09
Doing a wrap on it.
19:10
This and that.
19:10
Putting some new wheels on it.
19:11
Not getting too nuts and cutting the body all up.
19:14
But you could do 15, 25 grand out the door and it cost you maybe 8 to 10.
19:18
You know, hey, you could make some good money on it.
19:20
But again, no one stepped in to do it.
19:21
But to your point, it's Nick's in the background and whatnot saying, look,
19:23
see, this is what I've been trying to tell you and you're not listening to me.
19:26
And that's exactly where they went.
19:28
And the other thing that my wife and I talked about was what happens when If
19:33
this kid is driving his dad's McLaren, as we found out, and his dad goes
19:37
off about like, how are you going to clear the driveway with the splitter?
19:39
And how are you going to drive this every day?
19:41
And it must be nice to, you know, be 20 years old and driving a McLaren every day.
19:44
And that's fine.
19:45
Real world problems.
19:46
To each their own.
19:47
But my wife said, what if that kid, God forbid, got into an
19:51
accident with a modified McLaren?
19:54
How does the insurance company handle that?
19:56
Where you've cut up the car, And now they got to replace big sections of
20:00
the car with stuff that maybe didn't need to be repaired in the same way.
20:04
Does it change the safety?
20:05
Does it do this?
20:06
Does it do that?
20:06
So it's like, where does this rabbit hole finish?
20:09
When you think about it from the perspective of I'm putting
20:11
this highly modified car in the hands of a young driver.
20:15
Obviously, you know, real world stepped in with dad standing there
20:17
and pointing out all these things.
20:19
Yeah, cause guarantee that kid driving around, he's going to
20:21
crash it at some point in time.
20:22
Be in the first six hours or first 60 days, it was going to happen.
20:25
That McLaren, it's a beautiful car too.
20:28
I mean, what else you'd really want to do that anyway?
20:30
And the dad says that he says something like this car was
20:33
perfection from when it left.
20:34
The factory.
20:35
And he's like, what are you going to do to it?
20:37
Flare.
20:38
Well, first of all, that's like two feet coming out that side.
20:40
So you're adding another four feet.
20:42
It'll be as big as a dually.
20:43
It'll be ridiculous.
20:45
I mean, that's just obnoxious.
20:47
And again, it's just not being realistic in regards to that market.
20:51
Yeah, it's a missed opportunity for them.
20:53
It is the way they operate.
20:55
And so now we're talking broader exotics and collector cars
20:58
too at the same time, right?
20:59
And so this is such a weird season because there's this interweaving of
21:04
classic muscle hot rods, all the stuff that they like to do, you know, big
21:08
military vehicles and all that kind of stuff, not to give away the whole season.
21:11
And then we got these exotics and included in the exotics.
21:14
I think was a bit of foreshadowing.
21:16
You don't realize until the end of the season why they
21:19
suddenly brought in a DeLorean.
21:20
You're like, what the heck is this about?
21:22
And to give it away is they're setting up this whole idea of doing nostalgia cars.
21:29
At the end of the show, which we'll talk about another Ferrari, they
21:32
hone in on, you know, Magnum PI.
21:34
My wife and I were laughing about, you know, Nexus Knight
21:36
Rider and the Flintstones and the Munsters and God knows what else.
21:39
But the DeLorean is another nostalgia car.
21:42
And so they did it almost like, it's like a litmus test.
21:45
And it was really interesting because it goes right in line with what Nick
21:49
was saying about these high end exotics.
21:51
The customers want things a certain way.
21:53
And when they did the DeLorean, Mark goes.
21:56
The DeLorean community is very specific about the way they preserve these cars.
22:01
You don't mess with the stainless.
22:03
You don't do this.
22:03
And the client was exactly like that.
22:05
So what did they do?
22:05
They wrapped it.
22:06
And I'm just like, Oh my God, this guy is going to have an
22:09
aneurysm when he sees this car.
22:11
Oh my God.
22:11
And that kills me.
22:12
Cause I always go back to my mind and go, this guy thinks
22:14
he's creative and he can create.
22:15
Oh my God.
22:16
It was again, fugly.
22:18
Unbelievable what they did to that thing.
22:20
And they put the exhaust on.
22:21
Okay.
22:21
It did sound a little bit better, but that thing's got 130 horsepower.
22:24
Okay.
22:24
You need to do something with the motor.
22:25
If you're going to do something, but again, just do an aesthetic.
22:28
And here's the funny thing is that almost went back to exactly what they
22:31
did on the F8 just a little bit more.
22:34
They put the air dam side skirt under tray.
22:36
I mean, they did a little bit more, but it was basically almost the same thing
22:40
they did with the F8 that they were pitching a moment about saying, well,
22:42
we're not just going to be a tuner shot.
22:44
I mean, I was like, well, you basically did that with the DeLorean.
22:46
And I have to say that rear splitter was just.
22:49
Oh my god, let's add some more weight to an already rear biased car.
22:53
Yeah, I saw those brackets that they're putting on there to mount that thing.
22:56
They had a quick shot of it and where it was, I'm like, wait a
22:59
minute, that's just, oh my god, that's, he's just gonna kill it.
23:01
That's so the owner can just unbolt it and throw it in the trash.
23:04
Yeah, I felt so bad, you know, and the guys, You know, very adamant aluminum and
23:08
Marge is like, no, we're going to wrap it.
23:09
Screw it.
23:09
We're going to do it.
23:10
And so, and then that rap was just horrendous.
23:12
And was the doc being nice for the show?
23:14
Oh, it looks great.
23:15
This and that.
23:15
And then as soon as he got to take that shit off, it didn't do anything to it.
23:18
No, I have seen some painted DeLoreans black and some other
23:22
colors and they actually look really cool when they're done right.
23:25
So I wasn't opposed to wrapping it because as my wife pointed out.
23:29
If Doc doesn't like it, they can just rip it right back off the car
23:32
and it's back to stainless steel.
23:34
No harm, no foul.
23:35
Painting is a bigger deal and painting stainless is really, really tough anyway.
23:39
I've seen them in other colors and I think they look neat.
23:41
The candy apple carbon fiber probably wouldn't have been my first choice.
23:46
But then again, you're sort of limited on what that car
23:49
can wear that it'll look good.
23:51
I thought the wheel choice was bold, but it actually worked for the body style.
23:55
Yeah, it wasn't bad.
23:56
I don't know.
23:57
It just baffles me each time you think he's being creative on this.
24:00
Now, I'm not going to take it away from the people in the shop.
24:02
No, they're awesome.
24:03
Yeah, caveman is just a monkey just cutting stuff up and whatnot.
24:07
Assembles things takes it apart and cuts it up.
24:08
But you know the new guy Jake they kept he's really good the
24:11
girl She's a great engine builder.
24:12
She knows what she's talking about and the other guy, you know, he's babbling
24:15
up metal work I don't like that.
24:17
I mean he does some really creative things and what he can build I just don't see
24:21
this creative that mark thinks he has my wife and I always enjoy the episodes
24:26
where mark shawn and nick Are out of the way and it's just the crew working.
24:30
And I'll just lightly reference the Humvee build with the biodiesel.
24:34
And I was talking about that and I said, I love when Tony starts to talk and
24:38
he's like the professor of the group.
24:40
And he's like, look, guys, this is how it works.
24:42
And if you do this and then the science of that, and we're going to take
24:44
it over the machine and we're going to run it in the CAD and it's going
24:47
to bubble up, dude, we're learning something like this is awesome.
24:49
There's another show on motor trend and it's like one guy or two guys.
24:54
And he's very like that.
24:55
Yeah.
24:55
He talks through the process.
24:56
Why he's building it that way.
24:58
Why we got to curve it like this.
24:59
And it's super educational.
25:00
Now it might not be exciting and dramatic, you know, less reality,
25:05
television and more reality.
25:07
Like the science of car building.
25:08
I always appreciate when they have a build like that, where
25:11
they can do what they need to do.
25:13
It's still creative, but we're learning to your point, what they're
25:17
doing and why they're doing it.
25:18
Yeah.
25:18
The DeLorean is this.
25:20
Beginning this foreshadowing of this nostalgia thing that mark's got running
25:24
around in his head You see it again with the kenworth semi truck and all that kind
25:28
of stuff And I will leave that to the article that i'm writing that reviews the
25:31
entire season But let's get back into the ferrari saga, you know talking about the
25:35
guys what they're able to do So, I mean, I guess bringing mark's vision to life.
25:40
Obviously there's episodes that go on between there's some stuff that
25:43
happens changing up their thought process, some hiccups and whatnot.
25:46
But we get to the next Ferrari, the one episode it ends, Mark and Nick
25:51
have a conversation and basically states, Hey, we'll leave on good terms.
25:55
Nick, you get something that comes about, Hey, let's work together.
25:58
But you know, this is just not what we're going to do.
25:59
So right there, you think, okay, that's it.
26:02
Exit next stage left.
26:03
That's it.
26:04
You're not going to see him on the show anymore.
26:05
How they do these shows, if they're scripted out, planned out, or if it's
26:09
done, hey, they don't know what they're doing from two weeks to the next.
26:12
I don't know, but you weren't going to hear from Nick at all.
26:14
Uh, the blue all of a sudden he reaches out and says he has something of interest.
26:19
I want to say it was a 78 or 79.
26:21
It was one of the early ones.
26:22
You know, it was a Ferrari 308.
26:23
It looked like it was sitting for a while cause it was a bit dusty and dirty.
26:26
But what is it?
26:27
The guy that owned it obviously has a ton of money.
26:29
He had a bunch of toys.
26:30
Mark is trying to do this on his own because, you know, Sean's all of a sudden
26:35
all jazzed up because now, hey, we're getting back to our roots, this and that.
26:38
So he got his juices flowing again and everything like that.
26:40
In the one episode, he starts working on this big package deal where we're
26:44
going to build this and trade that and get this and work our way up.
26:47
It's almost like work your way up to a Ferrari from a paperclip situation.
26:51
So that's going on.
26:52
They talk about, which you'll read about and see is Mark Finch is building a
26:56
Kenworth truck that was kind of basically a tribute to his dad's truck that his dad
27:00
used to drive back in the day for work.
27:02
And he was very familiar.
27:03
So he does that up.
27:04
I don't know about that front grill, but it turns out pretty decent.
27:07
So Mark's kind of working with Nick, Nick reached out to Mark.
27:09
So he says, Hey, we've got something to work out now.
27:11
One whole deal fell through on the Humvee.
27:13
That's a whole story itself.
27:14
And some people got to go to themselves, dig up these customers, this stuff.
27:18
I got to tell you what, that's where a lot of these people act
27:21
and aren't the way they think, especially when they have money.
27:23
They just think, Oh, I'm going to hoodwink these guys and this
27:25
and that and stuff like that.
27:26
And you get really annoyed to them.
27:27
And there's one guy in regards to this Camaro.
27:29
They do a deal with that.
27:30
I would have punched the guy in the face when he was trying to pull
27:33
that with me, because it was just, that was annoying to me to go.
27:35
This guy's just a piece of.
27:37
You know what?
27:37
But anyways, the one whole deal falls due on this Humvee.
27:40
So that was supposed to get traded for the Jag that they were supposed
27:43
to then all of a sudden work on and get into a six figure range.
27:45
What they had in their mind, thinking it was going to be a 200, 000 car.
27:48
You imagine what they would have done to that Jag?
27:51
Exactly.
27:51
Oh my God.
27:52
That was in my mind going, what in the hell would they do to that poor Jag?
27:54
I mean, that thing, as we all know it, you know, everyone says, Oh, Enzo said
27:57
that's the most beautiful car ever.
27:58
There's a bunch of debate at that, but it's a gorgeous, gorgeous car.
28:01
You don't touch that.
28:02
You don't do anything to it.
28:03
63 Series 2 convertible.
28:06
That's the perfect E type Jag.
28:07
Like what are you doing?
28:08
Exactly.
28:09
And it's like, Oh my God.
28:10
So that all falls through.
28:12
So they're stuck.
28:13
They have no project done going on.
28:14
So Mark becomes the wheeler dealer.
28:16
When Nick calls about this, he wasn't sure what he was going to do the truck.
28:19
Well, it turns out, well, this guy is pretty eclectic in regards to
28:22
what he likes to have in his garage, which you see when they go there, he
28:26
brings the semi and basically ends up trading the semi for the Ferrari.
28:30
You know, I don't know trucks, semis like that, value wise, whatnot.
28:33
I know some of those older trucks like that, when they're done,
28:35
they're worth some big money.
28:36
So it's not like it's cheap, but I want to say the guy with the Ferrari, I
28:40
think probably made out in the positive, because that 308, you could tell it'd
28:43
been sitting a while, a lot of dust on it, dirt, everything like that.
28:46
It did fire up, but service wise, I mean, that thing needed to be, you know, Gone
28:49
through left, right, which is something else we can talk about, which they didn't
28:52
even say anything about on this car.
28:54
And so I went back to your Ferrari market index to see
28:57
where the 308 GTSs are trending.
28:59
And so obviously there's a lot of variables to that.
29:02
Like you're saying mileage records, you know, condition that it
29:06
have this option or that option.
29:07
This is a U S spec 308 GTS.
29:09
Cause the big park bench bumpers and all that kind of stuff.
29:12
According to the market, 88, 000 for a 308 in probably pristine condition.
29:18
So they were saying in the show, 60, 000 to 70, 000.
29:22
The truck was probably worth 120, 000 to 150, 000 in that range.
29:25
So Mark's like, I'm upside down, but it's going to take me months
29:29
to unload a custom semi, which probably isn't far from the truth.
29:33
So I think he saw his exit.
29:35
And he's like, I'm going to take it in the shorts because we can
29:38
continue to move the ball forward.
29:39
And then a bunch of people got upset by that, but it's business, right?
29:42
I don't think he made the wrong move.
29:44
No, no.
29:45
You know, and I applaud him for that because when you have a business like
29:48
that, and you're the one running the show and it's you and the buck stops with you.
29:52
Those are the type of decision and moves you have to make.
29:54
They're going to hurt.
29:55
What's more important, you keeping your toy or moving things
29:58
forward to grow your business?
30:00
Again, looking down the road, we're in the future.
30:02
Okay.
30:03
Once we get bigger, blah, blah, blah.
30:04
Yeah.
30:05
Hey, I'll buy another one.
30:06
Isn't that?
30:06
I applaud him for making that move because he left a lot of money on the table,
30:10
but Hey, he got going and he got it.
30:13
The body, everything on that car looked like it was in decent shape.
30:15
Didn't look bad, but again, who knows service history wise or whatnot.
30:19
My guess would be is that guy that traded it with didn't have it long or he just
30:23
picked it up recently because when you see the guy's garage everything's got
30:26
you think within the first two weeks that he has something he's gonna clean it do
30:30
whatever so who knows how this guy got the car so but then they get it and lo
30:34
and behold what happens is they show up at the shop with it surprising everyone
30:39
else in the shop well okay now we're back to doing exotic so to speak if they want
30:42
to call the 308 an exotic it was that curveball mark's sitting there and who
30:46
drives it in Nick, that was kind of an interesting setup, but again, you know,
30:50
being scripted, I would hope, or I guess you say realism, that they didn't tell
30:54
everyone in the shop what was happening.
30:56
Yeah.
30:57
It should have surprised them.
30:58
I would hope that's how they went about doing it because, get that
31:00
authentic, Whoa, what the hell, I didn't think we were doing these anymore.
31:03
Yeah, and Sean seemed legitimately angry, like, My wife and I both thought
31:07
he was going to quit on the spot, which wasn't necessarily a bad thing.
31:12
Exactly.
31:13
I'm sort of tired of his style and I don't want them to replace him, but they
31:18
need to replace him or they need to do this differently again, talking about
31:22
the next season, if there is one, I think they are going to do things differently
31:25
because this model of the negotiation and.
31:28
The way they do things is tired.
31:30
It's old.
31:30
We need to move on from that.
31:32
Now, Nick style isn't any better.
31:34
No, it's different, but it's also cringy and it's just whatever.
31:37
So yes, they show up at the shop and we thought that Sean was done.
31:41
You can't fake that.
31:45
Like he was visibly disturbed.
31:46
And you know, and I don't know why, you know, honestly, because.
31:50
When you have a shop like that, if you're going, all right, I got
31:53
one person I only deal with, like this, and he works here, he's fine.
31:55
I'm like, you're just setting yourself up fail.
31:57
I mean, in this industry and doing especially that is you got to
32:00
have so many contacts and whatnot.
32:03
And who cares where the car or the source or anything came from?
32:06
Hey, if it's going to work, you do it.
32:08
And he should recognize that my reaction would have been, Oh, sweet.
32:11
Oh, Hey, great job, Nick.
32:12
This is awesome.
32:13
We can do this and that.
32:14
Who's this guy.
32:15
We got it from, what's his deal, you know, and blah, blah, blah.
32:18
Hey, what are the opportunities there?
32:19
Again, very close minded and took it very personally, thinking he sucked at his job
32:24
and he's going to get fired or whatnot.
32:25
I had the same thought.
32:26
I thought when he walked out that door, the next scene was going to be him,
32:29
like, out in the parking lot talking to the thing, saying, Yeah, I'm done.
32:31
I'm not going to be treated or disrespected, blah, blah, blah.
32:34
You know, they sat down and talked it out.
32:36
Something about him, I don't know, just seemed shady.
32:38
I don't know.
32:38
He's got that weird vibe, the way he goes about talking and everything.
32:41
Just like he's hiding something, you know, it's like, I don't know what it
32:44
is, but it just seems, and the way he has that talk and this and that, and
32:48
the way he just goes about doing things, it's just like, Oh, it's sort of like the
32:52
old wanted posters in the post office.
32:54
You're like, did you buy a car from this man?
32:56
I'm like, I don't think so.
32:58
Exactly.
32:59
So obviously the tension, you know, you got to have your tension and whatnot,
33:02
your little trauma stuff for the show.
33:04
But they get the 308 silver black interior.
33:07
And as they do in the other episodes, as everyone that watches
33:10
knows is they do the computer generated what they're going to do.
33:14
Oh my God.
33:15
Everybody loves to rip that whole thing off from the great British baking show.
33:19
Like the artist's rendering of what it's going to be.
33:22
Yeah.
33:22
Then you start hearing the wife is getting this for her
33:25
husband as a birthday present.
33:27
So it's going to be a surprise.
33:28
So there's no input from the person that's getting it.
33:30
Hey, well, I want the Magnum PI, dah, dah, dah, this and that.
33:33
So, okay, what are you, peanut red?
33:34
Get into some little stuff to add to it.
33:36
Oh, some Italian racing theme to it.
33:39
But if you can, and she's willing to pay a little extra if you guys can do it and
33:43
they like it, some inspector gadget stuff.
33:45
Right.
33:45
I.
33:46
e.
33:46
some James Bond stuff in his car.
33:47
So like, oh my God, this is just, you start pictures, you
33:50
shouldn't have, what are you doing?
33:51
Then they go to the computer generated stuff and you're like, Wait, what?
33:54
They're gonna do what?
33:56
It's like, okay, maybe they're just exaggerating on the
33:58
computer generated stuff.
33:59
But then all of a sudden you see them, they're disbanding the car, taking
34:02
out the ugly bumpers and whatnot.
34:04
But then you see them put on the first fender flare.
34:06
And I'm like, This to me was reminiscent of, I think it was season four where they
34:13
did the Mako Shark C3 Corvette and they're widening it and you know the side pipes
34:19
and the big flares and the big wheels and all this and in a very Hot Wheels style.
34:24
Which, in some ways, I was on board with modding that C3 Corvette.
34:29
And in the same way I was on board with modding the Ferrari.
34:32
Because, like you said, is it really an exotic?
34:35
It is the most mass produced Ferrari of all time.
34:38
It's like the 944 for Porsche.
34:39
It's what saved them from going under.
34:41
You know, the same idea.
34:42
So there's a ton of 308s out there.
34:44
So I didn't feel so bad about them cutting it up.
34:47
But there's a certain way of going about it.
34:49
When you looked at the plan, as I like to call it, you know, the
34:51
renderings air quotes in that plan.
34:54
Yeah, it's a little bit shooting from the hip, but I was sort of
34:57
thinking, okay, we were going to do an F 40 tribute with the F eight.
35:01
Is he going to do a two 88 GTO?
35:04
Is he going to do a three Oh eight evolution and like wide body?
35:08
Is he going to try like this and that and the other thing?
35:10
And they kept harping about, you know, we need to defuglify
35:13
the car, all this kind of stuff.
35:15
Yeah.
35:15
You know, knock all the fugly off it is the exact quote that Mark uses.
35:19
And I'm like, okay, so you get rid of the U.
35:21
S.
35:21
spec bumpers.
35:22
You get rid of this.
35:23
You get rid of that.
35:24
Can sort of see in my head, maybe where you're going.
35:26
And then it was again, like a carbon copy of what he had done before.
35:31
And my biggest complaint with it.
35:34
Is the unfinished rear fender quarter panel section.
35:38
He has a tendency to leave the wheels in the back exposed and it just bugs
35:44
me because it breaks up the shape of the car, but the front that grill, I
35:48
mean, literally to use the rapper term, that grill, not the grill, it looked
35:54
like braces on a teenager, like I didn't understand what they were doing.
35:57
Because you only have so many options with the 308.
36:00
You can very quickly make it look like a 288.
36:03
You can make it look like a 328 with a square air dam front end.
36:08
But I was like, what are we doing to this?
36:11
Yeah.
36:11
When it's all said and done, I was really actually happy
36:15
with the front minus the back.
36:16
The grill and the side skirts and like it worked to a point and then
36:22
those scoops and that rear fender and I would have done the SS Camaro tail.
36:28
I would have extended the rear.
36:29
I would have exaggerated that.
36:30
I would have brought it down.
36:31
I would have brought it into the fenders.
36:33
Like a bunch of other stuff could have been done to that.
36:36
Well, like you were saying, I had the thought we mentioned before, you know,
36:39
Liberty Walk does their kits and that, but what they do and a lot of these other, you
36:42
know, do it is they don't just tack on a fender flare at the arch and that's it.
36:47
So you got this thing just sticking out.
36:49
Yeah.
36:49
They take that whole panel.
36:51
And shape it so it's all extended out one piece, i.
36:54
e.
36:54
a la, hey, looks like a 288, just on steroids, because it's bigger and beefier.
36:59
Bigger and beefier to the tone of 14 inch wheels.
37:03
Huge!
37:04
That's why I was hoping, okay, it's got promise, because again, you
37:07
know, have at it, do something really cool to it, really fatten up and
37:11
do it, but They just tack shit on.
37:13
That was it.
37:13
I'm a fan of a wide body when a wide body is done correctly and a 308
37:19
wears a wide body really, really well.
37:21
If you look at even was a year or two ago, that SEMA 308
37:24
that had the Honda VTEC in it.
37:26
And there's been a couple other ones that have been done really, really well.
37:30
And they look awesome.
37:31
Now, I get it.
37:32
Mark's going to do it in his style and he doesn't want to copy somebody else
37:35
and this and that either, but I've seen some of the other stuff that he's done.
37:38
And it's like, come on, man, like smooth it out, make this sucker, like
37:42
just look menacing in a three awake and look really just diabolical.
37:46
Right.
37:47
And it can be a very James Bond car if you dress it up, right.
37:50
But it was just like you said, it was sort of tacked on.
37:52
And I think the problem came in when they had the wheels made for the car.
37:58
And I don't know what the hell they measured, Because I think
38:01
a 10 and a half or 12 would have been the maximum under that body.
38:05
The first time he cut the fender, I said, we are so screwed, you
38:10
know, because I looked at it and I said, there's no way you can turn
38:13
into a parking spot with this.
38:14
No, no.
38:15
And even after they think, Oh, I think we're good.
38:17
Oh.
38:17
And then he makes the comment, Oh, even when it's turned at
38:19
the suspension, it'll clear.
38:20
And I'm like, I guarantee the first time that guy goes turning left.
38:24
Or right into a driveway or something.
38:26
It's gotta be and I understood what he was saying when you're turning The nose
38:31
is gonna lift but that's gonna happen at speed But the problem is you're not
38:34
thinking about the other side where the suspension is compressing and then cutting
38:38
the tire Yeah, not only that they did the stretch tire thing like you see on
38:42
a japanese import as well, and i'm just like They did as much as they could to
38:46
fit the biggest wheel possible in there If I was building it, I would have gone,
38:50
okay, do we have more space on the inside to have the wheel offset internally?
38:56
Maybe put coil overs in there, get rid of the stock 308 suspension.
38:59
Cause they didn't touch any of that stuff.
39:01
And I'm like, there's ways to make space and fit a big wheel and it's
39:05
not shoving it to the outside of the car and then cutting the body.
39:09
Yeah.
39:10
I don't know where they got their history lesson or whatnot
39:13
in that car and that frame.
39:14
That's just a metal tube chassis.
39:16
Basically.
39:17
There's plenty of room to go into that thing.
39:20
So I don't know what he was talking about with cutting into the unibody.
39:22
This and that.
39:23
I'm like, huh?
39:24
Well, I think for them, anything that isn't American style body on
39:27
frame is considered unibody, right?
39:30
Regardless of the fact that it's a tube frame car, regardless of the
39:33
way those things were assembled.
39:34
It's just, okay, well, it's a unibody in their world.
39:37
Then you think too, and it kind of popped into my head.
39:40
Okay.
39:40
Maybe just because they're in a tight timeframe, they had 11 days to do it.
39:45
That's kind of the other thing to this equation.
39:47
Yeah.
39:47
Now, if they had all the time in the world or hey, they had six months to do it.
39:50
You go back to other episodes and see what they've done in the past.
39:53
This is their MO.
39:54
Yeah.
39:54
This is just how they do it.
39:55
I think even if they had six months to do instead of 11 days, it
39:58
wouldn't turned out the same product.
40:00
You know, it's unfortunate because that car can be something really cool.
40:04
We've seen it out there, people posted and whatnot, great car to start with.
40:08
It's super light.
40:10
Two thousand pounds.
40:11
It's got to get rid of the motor because you know, you got 210
40:13
horsepower I think when that earlier one out of a three liter.
40:16
Yeah, it's like yeah, it ain't going anywhere quickly But again, it's got
40:19
kind of thing lightness thing, but it's again just about aesthetic So
40:22
you could do something good with that.
40:23
But again, they just tacked this shit on and it looks unfinished I'm
40:27
thinking to myself too is they're lucky in the fact being that it's
40:30
an old 308 Ferrari won't care.
40:32
Yeah, if they would have done that with the newest, uh, been
40:34
on their door with the cease and desist or something from Ferrari
40:37
saying, what the hell are you doing?
40:38
You're on one end like, Oh, this is not good.
40:42
My wife's on the other end going, I want to hate it, but it's really hard
40:46
to, she's still on her pain meds.
40:49
She liked it.
40:50
She saw they executed the vision.
40:52
They did what they said they were going to do.
40:54
Yes.
40:55
It's reminiscent of that Corvette.
40:56
And so I sit in the middle, I sort of love it and I hate it at the same time.
41:00
Cause there's parts of it.
41:01
I really like, I like the asymmetrical Italian flag paint scheme.
41:05
I like the front end minus the braces.
41:08
There's other pieces that I absolutely despise.
41:10
I think the back is terrible.
41:12
You know, I thought that just like the slot machine thing, the revolving
41:15
transporter style rotating license plate was really cool piece of engineering.
41:19
That kid's really good at that.
41:21
Perhaps I've covered solutions for that.
41:22
That was brilliant.
41:23
They left that bare aluminum.
41:25
And I'm like, that should have been black and blended into the rear end, you know,
41:28
all this kind of thing, blah, blah, blah.
41:29
So there's parts of it.
41:30
I didn't like those parts.
41:30
I like now going back and reanalyzing it in slow motion and in still to
41:36
prepare the article where we review all this stuff in more detail, I
41:40
noticed at certain angles, it really made it look like a second generation.
41:45
Oh yeah.
41:45
I Yeah, you're right.
41:46
And I'm like, Oh God.
41:48
And then in my head, I'm going, Oh, this is like the 308 Fiero builds.
41:52
And it gave it this like kit car feel.
41:55
And that's why I sort of sit in the middle because you're looking at it
41:58
going, is that a real 308 or is that a fake 308 built on something else?
42:02
And that's where it's sort of like, it's cool, but they ruined it.
42:05
I don't love it.
42:06
I don't hate it.
42:07
But they did walk away with a pretty sizable payday on it.
42:10
Yeah.
42:11
They made some money up.
42:12
You made the comment about the paint job.
42:14
I don't know how close he looked at it.
42:15
I might've paused.
42:16
I think it was crooked.
42:18
Yes.
42:18
You saw it too.
42:19
All right.
42:19
So not just me.
42:20
And when they did it, I'll say a closeup of it, but they got kind of close.
42:23
It was almost like the one rear three quarter view of they got on it.
42:26
It was a horrible paint job.
42:28
It was almost like a rattle can job.
42:30
My wife pointed that out in the night shots.
42:32
She said that satin finish looks really neat during the day, but at
42:35
night it almost had like an orange peel and it looked like it was
42:38
unfinished, like they needed to spray it again and put some clear on it.
42:41
Like it really did reflect very oddly in the dark.
42:44
So I agree with that.
42:45
And then to your point about the crooked thing, I joked and I said,
42:47
is he trying to do what he did on the Camaro where the lines weren't straight?
42:51
Yeah.
42:51
Yeah, I guess that's cool.
42:52
It looked good on the Camaro.
42:54
Because again, that was an asymmetrical black on one side, orange on the other.
42:58
I don't know.
42:58
I think Mark's trying new things.
43:00
I will say, and I've always said, which is what was disappointing about this car.
43:04
He's a really good painter.
43:05
Yeah.
43:06
When you look at some of the stuff he can do, especially that Corvette,
43:09
where he did that gradiated from dark blue all the way to silver.
43:12
So it looked like a shark.
43:14
I guess you could say that might've saved him a bit too, is putting all
43:16
those gadgets on there, getting that extra 18 grand they made out with.
43:21
You know a lot of things you didn't see the interior the same thing on
43:23
the DeLorean when they redid it Yeah, they didn't show you the inside.
43:26
No and supposedly they were supposed to redo on the door and it's
43:28
all we're gonna We all love it.
43:29
It's that then so you didn't even see it's just exterior tacking on some appendages
43:34
Painting it and putting it out the door unbelievable, but that paint job was
43:38
horrendous So again, i'm glad you saw it too because soon as I saw it on the
43:41
road I go wait that line is not straight I mean, it's just blatant because you
43:44
got red on white there and it just goes off at an angle You Sad thing is, is
43:49
that theme could have been done a lot better, but execution wasn't there.
43:53
Again, because of the time crunch or what?
43:55
I don't know.
43:55
The way it was painted with the color and stuff, that really
43:58
accentuated, there was no flow to it.
44:00
You could tell the shit was just bam, bam, bam, put on.
44:03
It wasn't like they did anything to make it nice and smooth.
44:06
And, and when they're saying, oh, we're going to eliminate that one channel
44:09
that's going down kind of separate.
44:10
And they ended up leaving that at the end too.
44:12
It was like, Exactly.
44:13
Whatever.
44:14
So I don't know.
44:15
That would have been a lot of Bondo in that crevice.
44:17
Buckets and bucket.
44:18
We're not ruining the episodes for you guys by telling you what's going on.
44:23
It happened.
44:23
If you haven't watched it, trust us, you need to watch it to see what it is.
44:26
Cause then you're gonna be like, Oh my God, I see what they're talking about.
44:29
Cause there's really no good thing to paint the picture.
44:32
And I think we leave our listeners with the question, if you're
44:35
going to modify an exotic.
44:37
Especially a Ferrari.
44:39
What camp are you in?
44:40
And there's multiple lanes.
44:42
You could be on the far left, like these cars are, just like they came
44:45
out of the Hot Wheels packaging.
44:47
Or you could be on the other side where it's, I'm gonna do some vinyl, I'm gonna
44:51
put on some wheels, a sport exhaust.
44:53
Where is your happy medium?
44:54
Where's your comfort level of customization?
44:56
And I think that's the moral to the story with a lot of this.
44:59
And someone's creative vision doesn't necessarily always
45:03
align with what you want.
45:04
Your expectations.
45:06
As a buyer as a collector and that's why I think some of the cars that are on that
45:09
far left side are extremely hard to move.
45:12
And it begs the question, where do they end up?
45:15
Where's that green 360 after a year?
45:17
Like who's got that car?
45:19
Like I've never seen it at a show.
45:20
I didn't see it at car week.
45:21
I haven't seen it in a museum.
45:23
You'd think it went up at like the Volo museum, you know, with all the
45:25
other crazy cars that they have, but it's sort of like tucked in a warehouse
45:29
somewhere never to be seen again.
45:31
Yeah.
45:31
Probably being converted back to a stock 360, you know, at this day
45:34
and age, obviously with YouTube, Instagram, all your social media
45:37
platforms, everything like that.
45:39
If it's a well known car and put out there and the person that owned it got
45:42
a crap load of followers, whatnot, like that, moving it to someone that just
45:47
worships to whoever the person is and getting rid of it, usually isn't too bad.
45:51
But beyond that, that's just a drop in the bucket.
45:53
You see these companies that sell the kits and everything like that.
45:56
For that one you see on a YouTube channel, there's 15, 20 other
46:00
kits they sold to someone else.
46:02
You're getting into the personalization programs these manufacturers
46:05
have for all of them now.
46:07
I mean, all your high end stuff, they have it because they can make
46:09
90 percent profit on these things.
46:11
It's unbelievable.
46:12
You're getting it so specific in regards to your own taste.
46:16
What are you going to do with yourself?
46:17
Because you're going to have to find that person.
46:19
OK, I can live with half the stock three quarter stuff on there.
46:22
Yeah, I probably would have done maybe that, but I can deal with it.
46:25
You know, with vinyl wraps and stuff like that, you can change
46:26
the exterior color pretty easily.
46:28
But option wise, you know, that's kind of where you get stuck.
46:30
It's like, oh, I wish I would have this and that, but I'll live without it.
46:32
Because once it's hacked up like that, and one thing, if you remove body
46:36
panels off, and you're putting whole new panels and sections on, you had
46:39
to do a little massaging to make it work, but it wouldn't take all that
46:43
much to turn it back to original.
46:45
Are you keeping all those panels like that, so any subsequent owner
46:48
down the line, say, look, here's all the stuff that came off the car,
46:51
you can turn it back if you want.
46:53
Some of those manufacturers, those kits, kind of push that, say, look,
46:56
oh, it's bolt on, bolt off, yeah, maybe you gotta do a little this and that,
46:59
I mean, how true it is, I don't know.
47:00
What are you going to do with this?
47:01
Oh, here's the car.
47:02
I mean, you got to have someone that's like, that's, Oh, I love it.
47:04
That's my style.
47:05
I don't know.
47:05
Cause it changes the car.
47:06
Especially if you start messing with stance, you're making a
47:08
wider, you're making a lower, you're doing all these things.
47:11
You got these guys tacking on, having 1500 horsepower, this kind of stuff too.
47:15
You know what it is, William?
47:16
We're looking at the wrong car shows.
47:18
We need to be looking at Radwood and not Car Week.
47:21
Yeah.
47:22
You would think to your point on that green 360, at least you think
47:25
the guy would take it to some car shows or, or he's not that
47:27
because you know, I would say it's.
47:29
A famous car, but it's decently well known.
47:31
I don't know what the viewership is for this show, but people go Oh, that's that
47:34
car from god and I'd love to see that thing in person because god I only can
47:38
imagine how bad it is In person, yeah pictures of it seeing that thing in
47:41
person be like, oh my god, it's worse than I thought, you know It's funny.
47:45
We've always tried to track the newer What I call restoration shows.
47:49
And to your point about viewership, Car Masters seem to have outlasted a
47:53
bunch of other ones, whether it was Rust Valley Restorers or Goblin Works Garage,
47:56
or even last year they did that one down in El Paso that has disappeared.
48:01
Yeah.
48:01
Yeah.
48:01
Interesting.
48:02
You know, they're talking about saying going into nostalgia
48:04
and going that kind of stuff.
48:05
My personal interpretation at the end of this season.
48:09
They're going into replica movie cars.
48:12
Totally different genre in regards to marketing.
48:14
And there's a decent sized market for that, but you got to do it right.
48:18
You can't just hack it together like some of the stuff they've done.
48:20
I mean, you have to have that thing dead nut spot on for authenticity.
48:24
That's where this season ends.
48:26
I'm a fan of the show.
48:27
My wife and I have been watching since the very first season.
48:29
Cause we thought the concept was really cool and they leave us with
48:33
them pushing in a 66 Imperial, the black beauty from green Hornet, and
48:37
they're on this whole nostalgia kick.
48:39
And this three Oh eight was allegedly the beginning, even though.
48:42
I think the DeLorean was the beginning of this nostalgia thing
48:45
and we're going to build other stuff.
48:47
The Nautilus from League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.
48:49
We're going to build, you know, maybe Kit, you know, who knows?
48:51
And that's cool.
48:52
And that falls into that Hot Wheels sort of thing that Mark is very good at
48:56
and the team can get all excited about.
48:58
The Ferrari saga is over.
49:00
I hope so.
49:01
I think they put that to bed.
49:03
They did that Pechanga car for the casino.
49:05
That was cool.
49:06
I like what they did with that.
49:07
I mean, that theme car, whatnot, what they did, and they did the
49:09
slot machine wheels, that steering wheel, everything was really good.
49:12
That thing turned out really nice for what its purpose was.
49:16
And intent was that thing was fantastic.
49:18
That looked great.
49:19
And it's our minds.
49:19
That's I think their niche is doing stuff like that.
49:23
You're getting into almost kind of an orange County chopper situation.
49:26
Well, you're doing it with cars and in previous season, it seemed to my
49:30
person is that's where they were good at and they moved cars and they made
49:33
good money on just steer clear of our stuff because that's not their forte.
49:37
You know, I know as creative as Mark likes to say he is and all of this and that
49:41
he's not, I think it takes some stuff and making these replica movie cars and what
49:45
he's done in the past and executing them.
49:47
He's got a great team behind it.
49:49
Mark can stick with this paint job to make these things look spectacular
49:51
because he's a great painter.
49:52
Give him that.
49:53
But as for coming out and really designing a whole car to tweak it
49:58
or whatever you want to call it for him I would say to your point.
50:01
I think that would make the show that much better if okay mark handles stuff You
50:04
see the business side he goes out finds the cars do whatever You know get rid of
50:07
sean and shows him doing the painting and everything on it prepping all that kind of
50:11
stuff Tony's on their side going through, Hey, how we did this stuff like that.
50:14
Here's how you build a flux capacitor.
50:18
Showing how they did it, especially go with these movie cars.
50:20
Cause those things always have these cool little things.
50:23
And if they're fully functional and work, people want to know
50:26
how you did it and incorporating the car and how'd you tie it in.
50:29
Cause you know, some people are watching that going and
50:30
saying, well, hey, I'm bored.
50:31
I'm going to see if I can hook something like that up my car.
50:34
You know, you'll learn from it.
50:35
And I like watching stuff like that.
50:36
I like watching the shows and YouTube and stuff like that shows with the build
50:40
process, not so much rebuilding wrecked cars, which seemed to be a big thing.
50:44
You know, I like the stuff where the guy's taking the car, doing
50:46
the modification, making it better and how they went about doing it.
50:49
That's just really impressive to me because you know, having that ability
50:52
to do it and complete it is impressive.
50:55
And I think that's the way they should go.
50:57
In my opinion.
50:58
And I think they would do a lot better viewer wise.
51:00
You're going to turn a lot of people off coming in, taking a Ferrari and
51:03
hacking it up and just making it gaudy.
51:05
I'm going to watch this because if that's what they think this is, forget it.
51:08
I'm not going to watch.
51:08
It'd be really interesting to see numbers wise from the end of season
51:12
five, going into six, what happened in regards to, was there a big drop?
51:16
What were the demographics of the people that you lost?
51:18
I thought there were only six episodes.
51:20
So I got done with episode six.
51:21
I'm like, All right, but then also the thing pops up in the bottom next episode.
51:24
Like, oh, wait, there's more.
51:26
And then luckily my wife's out of town.
51:28
So I was like, well, I got nothing else to do.
51:29
So, all right, I'll watch the next episode.
51:30
And then it got into, I'm like, where it ended up.
51:32
And again, it seemed like, all right, now it's like, it was a half season.
51:35
It's like, okay, you guys, where you ended this?
51:37
It seems like, should be more episodes.
51:38
And I think the bigger question for us, and I know you're a newer fan, you haven't
51:41
been following the show from day one.
51:43
Is there going to be a season seven?
51:45
We don't know.
51:45
We probably have to wait.
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Till sometime in 2025 to see, but it seems like they're going
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to keep doing what they do.
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But are you going to keep watching it?
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Are you that kind of intrigued to see what their antics and what they're up to next?
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Next season comes out when it does, I'm going to watch it.
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Yeah, I want to see where they go because I think these replica car movie cars, I
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think it'd be a good route to go for them.
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Those are tough cards that they choose to build right off the bat.
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That's for sure.
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But there's good money in those things, real good money.
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Basically to see where they head, to hope they got all that
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other stuff out of their system.
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To your point, what you said before is what tweaks they make to the cast.
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Finding what you need to build those cars isn't too difficult, because
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you're going to basically tear those things down to the frame anyways.
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There's rust on the body like that.
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I mean, you can start with something that's pretty bad.
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And I'm glad you brought that up.
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And that's kind of my final thought on this.
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And my wife made it really, really clear.
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When we wrap this whole thing up, kind of thinking about this season, previous
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seasons, and where they're going next.
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She goes, did you notice that this was the rust free season?
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They're going to have to change their tagline, rust to riches, because not a
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single one of those cars had rust on them.
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I said the same thing.
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I go, the title's not working anymore, guys.
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There was no rust involved whatsoever.
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They were even saying it.
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Wow.
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There's nothing on this body.
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It's fantastic.
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There's no rust anywhere.
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The rocker panels are fantastic.
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I'm like, Uh, you guys got to just change this to car masters building
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movie rep because something, but yeah, I had the same thought.
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Yeah.
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The titles is not going to work for you guys anymore.
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All right.
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We'll bring us home, William.
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Yeah.
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