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Ep. 136. All about Superman! · Vigilante Vibes Podcast

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  Hello to all the comic fans, Marvel geeks, and all the nerds
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  in between. Welcome to another episode of
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  the Vigilante Vibes podcast where we talk all things Marvel
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  along with other fandoms, but without the toxicity that's
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  taken up way too much space in each every fandom.
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  I'm your host, Megan Nicole, and today is one of those days that
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  we will discuss the other fandoms meaning DC and helping
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  me today is probably the biggest Superman fan I know and he will
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  help us get all the way through the movie and tell us his
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  thoughts on the brand new movie Superman.
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  So please welcome George. Hello.
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  Thank you so much for coming on. You're really the perfect person
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  to come talk about this movie. I gosh knows I've been excited
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  about this for years. I kind of, we know each other
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  because of the group that you have online.
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  And I've always been very vocal about, you know, my love for DC,
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  my love for Superman, any kind of my criticisms towards past
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  iterations in the last few years of what was missing.
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  And I was, ever since Gunn was announced to take over DC and
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  announced that his project was going to be Superman, I got very
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  excited. He's someone that he's kind of a
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  career that I've followed since I was younger, as I'm sure kind
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  of you have to, whether it was, you know, watching Slither, his
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  first major movie, or Scooby-doo 1 and 2.
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  I just found out he did those movies yesterday and I was like
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  what? It's just something that you're
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  going to have to go back and watch with, you know, your own
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  little ones again and have kind of that that reawakening that's
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  James Gunn style. All right.
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  So yeah, I was very excited for his Superman.
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  I've been following it very closely for a long time.
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  I know a lot of the complaints early on was nobody was really a
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  big name except for Nicholas Holt as Lex Luthor.
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  But that was kind of the staple of any Superman movie, that Lex
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  Luthor was kind of the big name, whether you had Gene Ackman or
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  it's kind of a weird name to say out loud because everything with
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  Kevin Spacey back with Superman Returns and then you a bunch of
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  kind of no names. And as soon as they announced,
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  my wife and I went and watched Rachel Brosnahan on The
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  Marvelous Misses Maisel, which is a fantastic show if nobody's
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  ever watched it and you fell in love with her because the
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  Superman, you should definitely go take a look at that show.
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  And they kind of tried to watch some David Corn Sweat's stuff,
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  whether that was Pearl, which he was the best part of that movie
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  in my opinion. James Gunn saw him.
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  He watched Pearl and said he might make an OK Superman and
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  then called his agent, said I want to meet him.
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  Yeah. And so, yeah, I was there.
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  We got lucky and the local theater that we had had a very
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  small Thursday before it opened opening and we got to go first
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  showing at like 2O clock in the afternoon.
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  Theater was kind of dead because I just think nobody knew about
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  it. It was just like soft kind of
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  launch. It was really intimate and kind
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  of cool. There was a few people, but not
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  many, but it was really cool to see everybody's reactions in
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  that theater because you had people like in their 60s and all
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  the way to like we had a few young kids right behind us to
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  hear their their excitement and that was really cool.
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  So. That is really cool.
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  Here comes my kid who's but yeah.
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  So thank you for having me on. It was really funny because I I
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  do both Buffy and I watch your podcast.
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  And then we we had a few members going, oh, you should have
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  George on. You should have George on.
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  You should have George on. I'm like, I'm not going to press
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  the issue. I'll do it.
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  But yeah, no. So I'm happy to be here.
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  If anyone that's listening, if you want to be on, just ask like
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  I don't care and like I'm happy to have you on.
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  I'm glad those people like brought it up because you don't
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  really go knowing people want to be on because there's been a few
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  times where I was like, you should come on and they're like,
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  absolutely not. And like, OK, well, fine.
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  I think it's always fun to talk to fellow case and get other
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  opinions. It's one of my favorite things
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  to go to the local comic book shops I have here is go and we
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  end up spending two or three hours just talking to the comic
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  store owner and we have different opinions.
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  He's somebody else that's having me on his podcast on Thursday to
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  talk about this. And you know, he's a little bit
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  more of the I like the darker side of of like comic book
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  movies. And I'm like, I'm here for the
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  light. Happy go lucky.
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  Yay. And that's what this movie was,
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  thankfully. And so I was excited where you
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  reached out and like, yeah, let's do it.
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  So and. Now we're doing it.
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  Yeah, well, how many times have you watched Superman?
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  So it's only been once now, but we are planning to because we
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  have a special needs kid as you guys all walking by.
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  We are planning maybe later today to go again after the
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  podcast actually was as soon as we can get him in because he
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  can't handle 3D glasses and all that stuff.
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  So we have to go to kind of a standard sewing and we figured a
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  Monday afternoon maybe nobody would be there so.
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  Yeah, better than Tuesday when all the tickets are like half
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  price, so everyone's going to be.
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  There, Yeah. I get it.
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  I have a special needs kid too and I I know she loved this
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  movie because of crypto, because of no way there's it's just it's
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  not happening. If there was a little bit more
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  crypto, I think even I mean, we got a lot of crypto, but even
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  more, you know, kind of with something like he did with baby
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  crew where it was, it was very prominent.
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  Crypto was kind of more a little subdued here and there for the
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  kids. I mean for the adults too.
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  Well, let's let's not we. Are getting a crypto like mini
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  series right now. I'm excited about that.
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  Yeah, he announced. That's one of the projects that
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  might be coming up, an animated series, which would be great for
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  like little kids introduction and stuff like that.
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  But yeah, I think it's if you could get your kids to go sit
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  down like in a movie, and that's what we're going to try with
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  this one, is just try to see if you'll sit still for a movie.
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  Godspeed. I could not because it's like
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  you'll get there and you think it's going well.
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  Then it happened so fast, you know that it just goes downhill
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  so quick and you're like, we got to get out here now.
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  I don't think I'd be able to with that movie.
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  I don't think I'd be able to leave.
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  I, that was the thing and I will, I'm sure we'll, we'll get
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  into this. But you know, my wife and I, we,
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  we bought all the popcorn we have.
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  You can kind of see the popcorn buckets behind us stacked right
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  now. And we sat down for the movie.
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  I ate a little bit of popcorn during the stupid long
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  commercials. And then I just stopped.
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  Like the movie ended and I realized I still had a half a
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  soda. I still had like most of my
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  popcorn because I just was so focused on everything.
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  And she's like, that's the first time you've never finished your
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  popcorn. I'm like, I was too into the
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  movie. But yeah, like you're saying,
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  you know, it takes one thing and they, you know, especially with
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  special needs kids, loud sounds or whatever.
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  But it's something we want to try because we can't always get
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  a babysitter. And we definitely, my wife and I
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  left the movie and we're like, we want five more hours of this
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  movie. We want to spend, we want to
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  spend time with like Clark and Lois in their apartment.
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  That's one thing that she's all crazy about is like pausing
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  movies or TV shows, like what do they have in their apartment?
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  What what is this? What can I get and stuff like
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  that. But the way he did this movie is
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  I wanted to spend time with more of these characters.
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  When the movie ended, I felt like even though it had been a
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  good length movie and it is, I wanted more.
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  So we were already talking about how can we go back to see it
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  again and again. And it's very rare for us being,
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  you know, parents, stuff like that, going to see the same
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  movie multiple times. The last one I think that we did
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  that for was The Marvels because we love the Marvels.
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  Obviously anybody in the group knows that, but this is
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  definitely one that we want to see multiple times because we
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  the wait for it to be out where we can watch it over and over
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  again and it's going to seem really long.
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  It's going to take so long, and I know it, and it's going to
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  take long because I want the blooper reel, I want the deleted
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  scenes, I want whatever James Gunn stuffs into that disk, and
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  it's going to be something amazing because it's James Gunn.
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  Yeah, of course. I mean, all the Guardians of the
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  Galaxy stuff is, is great. And I would be really interested
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  to see because, and that's I'm sure we'll get into when we kind
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  of breakdown certain aspects of the movie, especially with act
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  one. And there was some problems I
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  felt with act one, not like horrible problems or anything
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  like that. It was like more pacing issues
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  or editing. It definitely felt like stuff
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  was left on the cutting room floor that I want to see, or
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  like a director's cut where it's even a little bit longer.
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  Yeah, the gun cut I, I don't think there will be a gun cut.
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  There's never been a gun cut, but.
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  He would do it. He would pull that trigger.
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  Because. That that.
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  Imagine the Snyder bots. How mad will they be?
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  He gets a, he gets an extended cut.
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  Yeah, yeah, I think that would be hilarious.
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  And we have to talk. I have to remember that the
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  little jabs that they take at the Snyder fans in that movie
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  was just her and I were laughing like for two minutes straight.
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  And the people behind us were like, we just found that so
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  funny for the people that know monkeys and all that.
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  So. Starting the movie, OK, like as
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  soon as it started, I didn't know that the clip they
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  released, James Gunn released of him falling into Antarctica.
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  I didn't know that was the opening clip.
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  And it's like I look back on my young naive self telling my
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  listeners, I wonder where this is in the clip.
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  I bet you it's towards the end right before the climatic
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  battle. No, it that's how it starts.
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  I I was very shocked that we got a Star Wars esque opening crawl,
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  but it worked. I think it worked for the most
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  part. I mean, I was a little bit
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  shocking to see like these like bullet points of this is what
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  you need to know. But this is what I wanted to say
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  about like the opening in the movie is it's clear we're done,
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  is getting inspiration for the Justice League and all those
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  other things is the DC animated universe, especially the early
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  2000s, whether it was Batman the Animated Series, Superman, the
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  Animated Series, Justice League and Justice League Unlimited.
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  He's inspired by that. And I've recently been showing
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  my wife the Justice League series because she wanted more
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  Hawk girls. So I was trying to give her,
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  it's not the same hot girl, it's a different hot girl, but I'm
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  trying to give her a little bit more hot girl.
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  And the beginning of this movie, I kind of mentioned briefly how
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  I had a little bit of like pacing issues.
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  It felt like for anyone that watched that old Justice League
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  show, I, I hate calling it old now, but I guess we're old.
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  But this, the Justice League shows were always broken down
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  into Part 1, Part 2, maybe even Part 3.
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  The start of this movie felt like the Part 1 episodes.
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  And what I like about what James Gunn did, even though for some
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  people probably felt messy, was the Justice League show never
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  treated its viewers as dumb. It's like you may not know these
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  characters and know every aspect about them.
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  In fact, re watching the Justice League, we don't even realize
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  because they never refer to the Flash as anyone other than
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  saying the Flash. We know that it's Wally W
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  because that's who it was during the time.
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  But we're halfway, more than halfway through the series and
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  they've never called him Wally or Wally West or anything like
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  that. And that's the aspect I think
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  gun is taken, especially in the beginning of this movie, is
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  here's the basics of what you need to know.
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  So you're going to get the bullet points.
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  We're starting in in medius res. We're in the middle of a story.
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  He just Superman just got his first loss ever, according to
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  the crawl. And we're going from there.
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  And then all these characters are already a part of this
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  world, and you got to kind of get caught up and we'll drop a
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  name here or there. You're going to be introduced to
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  heroes that are already established that you may not
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  know. I would hazard to guess, like a
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  lot of casual viewers are not going to know about the Green
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  Lantern core. They're going to know certain
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  Green Lanterns, whether it's because they grew up with Hal
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  Jordan or they grew up with Jon Stewart because of DC Animated
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  or maybe Kyle Rayner, because who that's who the 90s, early
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  2000s Green Lantern was. So when they see Guy Gardner,
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  they know the basics of a Green Lantern, but they may not
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  understand the core and that's OK, That'll be explained later.
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  Or here's Hawk Girl, but we don't really know her origins in
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  this movie. So that was kind of what my
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  friends were were others were saying was like I felt very
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  rushed in the beginning. Something was left on the
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  cutting room floor. And I get it.
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  But I kind of like that go pace. I do too.
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  I like that that's how he started.
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  I like that we didn't get an origin story.
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  I like that he put us straight in the middle of an already
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  established world with established characters that if
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  you want to learn more about them then you have to be at the
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  movie theater to go get to know them, which I love that aspect.
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  I like that it doesn't start slow because like so many do
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  except Snyder, he started to get a lot.
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  I, I don't want to crash on Snyder too much.
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  I mean I I. Don't either.
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  I'm a Snyder fan but it's like oh the toxic fans of Snyder just
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  make me want to hate him. I won't.
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  I like him but it's like dude you got the worst fan base of
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  all time. He plays to it though.
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  He he really does. He does.
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  I think unfortunately Snyder put a lot of toxicity when it came
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  to DC, not just because of his fan base, but the way he tried
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  to build his world. He is very apparent that he
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  loved the darker stuff, the Frank Miller, which I've never
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  been a fan of. I understand why it's popular.
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  I own it, like it. It should be on comic book fan
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  shelves like The Dark Knight Returns.
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  But to me, that's not DC. That's not what Batman was, you
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  know, really supposed to be. When I think Batman, I think
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  Detective I when I think Superman, I think hope.
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  When I think Wonder Woman, I think compassion.
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  And everyone in Snyder's movies, they, they blended together in
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  this just dark nihilistic. And I, I think that's a key term
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  is nihilism. And I don't want that nihilism.
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  And that's why I loved within the first few minutes you have
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  that even though Superman's bleeding and on the ground and
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  bloody and bruised, within a moment you have this
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  ridiculously adorable creature just come running up and just
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  destroying him. And some of the funniest laughs
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  I had in this movie was especially dog owners or anybody
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  that's been around a dog or let's be honest, cat owners know
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  what it's like to have an animal that does not listen to you and
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  it's just maybe too excited to see you.
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  But when he fell and it's like, OK, we're playing for keeps now.
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  And then James Gunn interrupts it with that, that hopefulness
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  of this, this dog dragging him across the Arctic to home again.
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  And it's like you said, I thought that was going to be
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  something at the end of the second act, leaning into the
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  third act. And here it is in the beginning
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  of the movie and it was a good way to start it because we kind
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  of establishes this hope, if you will.
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  I I'm going to use that word way too much because.
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  That's what Superman is though is hope He should be explained
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  that way. And we get to meet, you know,
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  the Superman robots, one voice by the incomparable Alan Tudyk,
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  who at this point you just, if you're a geek, you just
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  recognize his voice. And we get to meet Gary, who are
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  who later gets to be called Gary.
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  And Gary kind of gives us this origin story, if you will, as
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  they're carrying him in. Like this is what the audience
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  needs to know if you really don't know Superman, but it's
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  just like Spider Man. And it's just like Batman.
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  I think the origins of Superman is so ingrained into us as a
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  culture that we don't need to revisit it.
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  It's kind of like, I think the benefit of whatever comes next,
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  whether we get Wonder Woman because we've heard paradise
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  losses coming, I don't think we need another origin story of
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  Wonder Woman either. See, I'm going to disagree with
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  you about everyone knows about the origin of Superman because
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  James Gunn proved it last week or the week before when he said
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  that the story of Superman is about America.
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  It's he's an illegal alien who comes and is treated horribly.
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  And everyone's like, you made Superman into an illegal
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  immigrant alien. And everyone's like, you know,
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  the people who who use common knowledge, the smart part of
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  their brain was like, what are you mad about here?
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  Because that is Superman. So I think a lot of people.
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  Did kind of prove that they need someone to explain that to them.
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  Like a, Like a. Unfortunately, unfortunately, I
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  I was thinking more along the lines as we know that he comes
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  from a far away planet, Yadda yadda, Kansas born and bred and
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  there were changes that gun made to his origin.
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  And I want to get to that because I had a friend message
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  me day before yesterday who we don't talk very much anymore
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  because he's just busy with his life and I am with his life.
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  He's like, did you see what they did to Joy Allen?
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  He started jumping on this. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, back
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  up. Let's discuss this, my man.
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  But you're right because Superman holds a special place
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  in my heart too, because of his creators were both Jewish and
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  they were Jewish immigrants and they wrote this story and a lot
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  of people have this complaint. Well, if he was created by
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  Jewish people, why is he Jewish? Well, because it wasn't OK for
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  superheroes to be Jewish back then.
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  And but that that allegory of, of the immigrant coming into the
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  United States to rebuild who they are, you have to remember
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  when Superman was created was the 1930s, and he really didn't
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  gain in popularity that much until around World War 2, as it
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  was. It's always been kids.
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  Comic books have always been political.
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  I hate to break this to you, but they've always been political.
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  Whether it's Superman, whether it's Green Lantern, whether it's
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  Spider Man or definitely the X-Men, they've always been
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  political. I know right, and the X-Men, if
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  we had the backlash for Superman of how yes, when it comes to
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  X-Men, just wait till we have to deal with like, oh, X-Men is so
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  woke, like X-Men have always been woke, my man.
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  That's their that's their thing. Yeah.
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  They've never claimed to be anything different.
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  Even their villain. Even the biggest guy who's all
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  about killing them all, who is Magneto?
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  He's cool killing the whole human race.
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  He's woke too. But that is their thing.
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  So I get what you're saying and I, I think in that aspect,
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  you're right is we have these people that want to put their
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  head in their sand and like, this isn't what the story is
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  about. Don't make this political, but
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  it's all it is political. I mean, that's what stories are.
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  Even back to ancient Greece, like those, those gods, which I,
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  I'm bringing this up because comic books and Superman and
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  comic book heroes, they are our modern gods.
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  There are God's stories and we, we some of us worship them.
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  I mean, in quote UN quote ways. I mean, if you look behind me,
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  you see Green Lantern stuff. You can't quite see all my
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  Superman stuff off the side. You see our like signed Captain
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  Marvel, Funko and stuff like that.
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  We worship these characters because they show us how to be
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  better in a world that is not better.
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  And that's what this movie was about.
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  And if you take offense to that, you've grown up wrong, I'm sorry
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  to say. You're not a comic book fan.
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  You're not. There's no.
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  Way. There's no way kindness is the
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  new punk rock, and you're not I. Love that line so much, and I'm
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  not going to get tired of that line.
• 24:04
  But yeah, So, you know, the movie starts and Gary kind of
• 24:08
  gives us the rundown of who he is, his weaknesses, his
• 24:12
  strength, whether we need to get him in the yellow sun to heal
• 24:15
  him and stuff like that. Let's play the recording from
• 24:19
  your parents. Wait, I know it was announced,
• 24:25
  but I'm still kind of shocked to see Bradley Cooper as Jor El.
• 24:29
  It was announced and I was kind of I've I've lately in the past
• 24:36
  two weeks, three weeks leading up to this, I stopped watching
• 24:40
  clips. I didn't want to see anymore.
• 24:44
  I kind of avoided news, but I did see that he was announced to
• 24:48
  be not only like a voice of one of the robots, but another role
• 24:53
  and then the OK, so the. So the actual role like came out
• 24:57
  with the movie. Yeah, I think so.
• 24:59
  I think I saw somewhere spoiled that he was going to be Jorel,
• 25:03
  but to me that's not a big deal because I knew this wasn't going
• 25:06
  to be an origin movie. So when we're going to have like
• 25:08
  a big Russell Crowe, like, God, how long was that scene in Man
• 25:13
  of Steel? Like 20 minutes and then our our
• 25:18
  Marlon Brando, it was it was clip.
• 25:21
  That's all it was, was a clip with him with Jor El and Laura
• 25:28
  giving him his message. It was also really cool.
• 25:32
  Not that it's not our first time hearing Krypt, the Krypton
• 25:37
  language, but for it to be spoken so fluidly was very cool
• 25:46
  to hear. And I'm sure we're going to hear
• 25:50
  more of it once we get. I don't want to get too into
• 25:54
  spoilers, but the next major move.
• 25:57
  OK, all of it. Let it all out.
• 26:00
  Once we get more Supergirl, we're going to get more of
• 26:03
  Krypton and Candor, I'm sure of it.
• 26:07
  But yeah, it's like you said, here we have, we're going to
• 26:14
  start the movie. We don't need to see him coming
• 26:16
  to Earth. That can be told to us in 5
• 26:20
  minutes. And it really was, it wasn't a
• 26:22
  long scene. And that's the way our movie
• 26:27
  begins. And it felt like I said to bring
• 26:29
  it back to what I said before, like one of those Justice League
• 26:32
  episodes, things have been happening.
• 26:36
  Like you turn on an episode of Justice League and it's just
• 26:39
  like they're in the middle of a fight and you're just like,
• 26:42
  what's going on? Did I miss the first, you know,
• 26:44
  whatever minutes? And I like that it treats the
• 26:48
  viewers. It treats the viewers as being
• 26:52
  smart. And I like that.
• 26:55
  I also think with them giving the origin story, it wasn't
• 27:00
  just, you know, for the audience, it did have to do with
• 27:03
  what was going on, what he was battling internally.
• 27:05
  When it came out that oh, your parents are actually trash, It's
• 27:10
  like it did come out like it. We did get more of that and it
• 27:13
  did intertwine with his origin. So it wasn't like here audience,
• 27:17
  just so you're aware, but it played into it.
• 27:20
  So I think I think that was handled very beautifully.
• 27:23
  And that was one thing, I guess since you brought it up, you
• 27:25
  know, we the twist that gun throws is Jor El and his mother,
• 27:33
  Clark's mother is birth mother. I should say we're not probably
• 27:39
  good people. And I was OK with it.
• 27:45
  And I'm a Superman purist. Like I love, I love all the
• 27:50
  goofy stuff from Golden Age and, and Silver Age.
• 27:54
  You know, I laughed hard when they brought up the hypno
• 27:56
  glasses because I remember that and reading that and when I was
• 28:01
  really young. But I've it's always sat wrong
• 28:06
  for me that whether it's a Christopher Reeve movie or Man
• 28:10
  of Steel, that the thing that pushes Clark to be Superman is
• 28:15
  hearing a recording of his birth father.
• 28:20
  I like the twists and I like the twist of it doesn't mean that
• 28:26
  they were bad. But when you kind of know
• 28:29
  Superman more, everybody else on Krypton were basically horrible
• 28:33
  people. They were.
• 28:35
  So they were so far up their own butts that even the Green
• 28:39
  Lantern Corps didn't want to like touch Krypton.
• 28:44
  Like they they just like, no, all right, you guys are we're
• 28:47
  good. And it makes sense then that his
• 28:54
  parents would be the same way. Now, you could go, well, it's a
• 28:59
  cultural thing, OK, even if it's cultural thing.
• 29:03
  And because like this extended message that Luther uncovers and
• 29:07
  uses a smear campaign against Superman, like his mother says,
• 29:11
  oh, start a harem and have have have babies, have as many babies
• 29:18
  as you can. And I'm just like, but isn't
• 29:20
  that a standard like Jewish mother?
• 29:24
  Just give me grandbabies. Give me grandbabies all the
• 29:28
  granberries. So that was kind of a joke I
• 29:31
  made with my friend that contact me.
• 29:33
  I'm like, well, maybe it's a cultural thing.
• 29:35
  It's like she doesn't care. Get with as many women as you
• 29:38
  want. Just give me grandbabies.
• 29:39
  That's what I want. OK.
• 29:42
  And then Joral saying that, you know, rule over these people,
• 29:47
  you're going to be better than them.
• 29:48
  That's. Such a dad thing to do.
• 29:52
  Like you're better than all of them.
• 29:54
  Yeah, see, and that's the thing I'm saying.
• 29:55
  That's why I was like trying to calm my friend down.
• 29:57
  And I was like, dude, it could be that, you know, it's a
• 30:03
  different language. It's a different, you know, for
• 30:06
  all we know, he could have said something along the lines, you
• 30:08
  know, and if they screw up, you can lead them.
• 30:12
  You can be better or they're just horrible people and they're
• 30:17
  horrible people and they are simply, you know, and this is
• 30:24
  common in our culture right now. And it kind of started a little
• 30:29
  bit with Snyder. It started before I'm going to
• 30:36
  like throw it to Eric Kripke and and the boys comic books even
• 30:40
  before we gave a show because I know you're big on the boys.
• 30:43
  It's like one of your one of your fits.
• 30:44
  And I'm not I'm not ripping on it.
• 30:46
  Oh. No don't worry, I have my own
• 30:48
  opinions on that. Damn.
• 30:50
  Show, but like especially the comics because I read the boys
• 30:52
  comics. I'm kind of waiting for the show
• 30:55
  to be done to Benjet I guess. Good luck with.
• 30:59
  The last. Season That's I know so, but you
• 31:02
  know this whole idea of the ultimate human being and
• 31:07
  ultimate douchebag and or you go to invisible right and you have
• 31:17
  the viltromites as these conquering race and Mark is the
• 31:22
  one like good one out there. And a lot of people were saying,
• 31:28
  well, this is just copying invisible.
• 31:32
  It's copying Dragon Ball Z. I'm like, but Superman came
• 31:37
  first. This is just gun tweaking little
• 31:40
  things to show this fits in our new world.
• 31:44
  But look, it's not. It's the argument of nature
• 31:48
  versus nurture. That's what it is.
• 31:51
  And Superman's nature is or the nature of Krypton is to maybe
• 31:58
  think themselves better than everybody.
• 32:01
  But nurture. We look at the Kents and we look
• 32:05
  at how they raised him. One of my favorite moments was,
• 32:08
  I think this was more towards the end of the movie after they
• 32:13
  they free Superman from his prison and Lois takes him back
• 32:19
  home. And we get a look inside of the
• 32:22
  Kent homestead. And it just felt so real, like I
• 32:28
  grew up with Smallville, You grew up with Smallville.
• 32:31
  We spent seasons in the Kent home and it always felt a little
• 32:35
  bit too nice. And then?
• 32:37
  It very staged, like kind of like when you're selling a house
• 32:42
  and they stage the house. It's too nice.
• 32:44
  It's not lived in. Yeah, and we got to the Kent
• 32:47
  homestead and it felt real. Like there's a scene where it's
• 32:52
  a it's a little thing, but like they're walking back into the
• 32:56
  house because Martha says you have to see this on TV.
• 33:00
  And we see that they have this shitty little like 25 inch TV.
• 33:09
  And I'm just like, OK, that feels like a kid that grew up on
• 33:13
  a farm and a family that was struggling for money.
• 33:16
  That home felt lived in. And that was one thing I want to
• 33:19
  point out to Gunn is all the apartments and all the sets,
• 33:24
  except for maybe like the like Luther stuff, all felt very
• 33:31
  real. Clark's apartment felt real.
• 33:37
  Mompa had for him felt real. Like you are y'all related?
• 33:42
  Because like I haven't felt that love since I saw my mom last my
• 33:46
  gosh. The Kent stuff and it all comes
• 33:49
  back to the like what we're saying in the beginning of this
• 33:51
  movie, this nature versus nurture.
• 33:56
  The Fortress of Solitude, except for when Crypto has his way,
• 34:00
  feels like a hospital in a way. It's too clean.
• 34:05
  And that's always been the way with any Fortress of Solitude,
• 34:07
  except for maybe Man of Steel. But I don't want to call that
• 34:11
  the Fortress of Solitude because it was a ship that was it's it's
• 34:19
  very hospital like. And then you get to the Kent
• 34:26
  farm later on and you're like, this is what shaped who he is.
• 34:31
  The goofy young guy that says, well, darn.
• 34:37
  Or what the hey man, we see this in the Kent home and I really
• 34:44
  loved, like you said, the love that we feel with the Kints in
• 34:48
  this. I feel like they were parents
• 34:51
  that made mistakes and I love that.
• 34:55
  I love that Jonathan in this version is the overly emotional
• 34:59
  one that I cried in Superman six or seven times and I can't hide
• 35:11
  when I cry. My wife says you cry with your
• 35:13
  whole body. Your whole body shakes.
• 35:16
  Like you try to laugh it off as like you're coughing or
• 35:19
  something like that. But I cried during the opening,
• 35:23
  like literally the opening DC logo of Superman breaking his
• 35:27
  chains, I started crying. So when they established that
• 35:30
  Jonathan Kent is the emotional one and he's a bigger guy like
• 35:34
  me, I'm like, I love this. And you're right.
• 35:38
  I felt the love even in the small scenes that we got because
• 35:42
  it wasn't a lot with the kids, but it was enough.
• 35:45
  Whether it was them leaving their their voicemail.
• 35:50
  I loved watching Ma Kent like have the phone on the coffee
• 35:54
  table and bending over and speaking a little bit too loud
• 35:58
  about things that Clark probably has no idea of.
• 36:02
  She's like, oh, so and so said this, this and this and it just
• 36:06
  felt so real. And that's what gun does well is
• 36:10
  even though we're dealing with a movie of God like characters
• 36:14
  that they feel so real. And I think that in some ways
• 36:20
  that's a problem sometimes Marvel has is we have these
• 36:26
  characters that you just can't relate to.
• 36:32
  I don't know if that's the right word, but like, they're just so
• 36:36
  far beyond above us, you know? Like, I can't relate to anyone
• 36:43
  on the New Avengers or the Thunderbolts because I don't
• 36:47
  know what it's like to be that. But a lot of us know what it's
• 36:52
  like to struggle in a family environment, struggle to do
• 36:58
  better. I have a wife.
• 37:01
  Yeah, I have a wife. That she.
• 37:02
  She looked at the Kent's home. Hey.
• 37:08
  Hello. That she's like.
• 37:13
  I lived in a home like that growing up.
• 37:18
  And it's like you said, I haven't felt that love since the
• 37:21
  last time I talked to my mom, you know, and the fact that he
• 37:26
  can write this so well that we can, what is a good sign?
• 37:33
  I think with DC and I think like creature Commandos, he did a
• 37:38
  good job for us to care about these monsters.
• 37:41
  Like we felt for the bride, we felt for GI Robot, we felt for
• 37:47
  Weasel, you know, Peacemaker. Oh my God, like thinking that
• 37:56
  you would like understand this like kind of borderline really
• 38:00
  racist guy and you're like, I feel bad for you.
• 38:07
  I love that she agrees with everything.
• 38:08
  She's just like coughing. I love it.
• 38:10
  Wish I had more students like that.
• 38:12
  It was unhinged. But I agree, never in my life
• 38:17
  did I think that James Gunn can make me care for Doctor
• 38:19
  Phosphorus. Yeah, right.
• 38:22
  Yeah. Bro I I thought I was in charge
• 38:26
  of my emotions, no James Gunness.
• 38:28
  Yeah, yeah. And I I think he does such a
• 38:31
  good job with everyone, whether it's the new.
• 38:36
  I'm going to use the term that my students use.
• 38:39
  And if they ever find this, they're going to cringe.
• 38:41
  And I love it. The new Riz master of Jimmy
• 38:44
  Olsen. I just did my life grown in the
• 38:48
  kitchen. It's worth it.
• 38:50
  I didn't think I'd be simping for Jimmy Olsen, but halfway
• 38:53
  through I was like, does Jimmy have that sauce?
• 38:56
  Yeah. What are we doing here?
• 38:58
  But it's so funny because if you go back into old Jimmy Olsen
• 39:02
  comics, he is popular. He's he's Archie, you know, he
• 39:07
  doesn't realize that he's popular with the ladies.
• 39:10
  But like in the newest Superman comics, or last time I read
• 39:14
  anyways, he's still with Silver Banshee, who used to be a
• 39:17
  villain who flips to be a good guy because she's in love with
• 39:21
  Jimmy Olsen. And it's just like, oh, OK.
• 39:26
  And or, you know, I even cared about like, the lesser Daily
• 39:33
  Planet staff because they all felt real, like Kat Grant felt
• 39:39
  real. I wanted more of Perry White, to
• 39:42
  be honest. I think this is one of my
• 39:44
  favorite Perry White's I've ever seen because he just felt so
• 39:48
  good. And I got the impression that he
• 39:50
  actually knows Clark is Superman, which I love.
• 39:54
  Oh, yeah, I think that too. By the end of it, I was like, he
• 39:57
  knows. There's no way he doesn't know.
• 39:59
  He has to. Yeah.
• 40:00
  And that's what my wife was saying.
• 40:01
  She's like, so in this universe, did Lois figure out that Clark
• 40:05
  was Superman? Or did Clark tell Lois?
• 40:08
  I'm like, I hope it is. She's smart enough and she
• 40:12
  figured it out. 100%. Our hard headed set in her way,
• 40:16
  says she. The hypnoglasses didn't work on
• 40:19
  her. I don't know if you've heard
• 40:20
  that, she said. Or she was so hard headed that
• 40:23
  the hypno glasses didn't work on her, which I could see too.
• 40:27
  Or like she's, I hope it's something deeper.
• 40:31
  Like she never actually looked at his face, so the glasses
• 40:34
  didn't matter. She just knew like the
• 40:35
  mannerisms. She figured it out on her own.
• 40:38
  I hope it's something weird like that.
• 40:39
  That's like only you, Lois, you little punk rocker would figure
• 40:43
  that out. I and it's it's it's one of
• 40:46
  those things of us that know the Superman lore, we want even more
• 40:50
  of these characters because they felt so real.
• 40:53
  Like in guns universe, is there a Lucy Lane?
• 40:59
  Like does she have her sister like she does in the comics or
• 41:04
  like on Supergirl TV show and stuff like that?
• 41:07
  We learned that Lois has a sister, which she always has.
• 41:11
  Was the sister punk rock too, or was she daddy's little good
• 41:15
  girl? Is Sam Lane a member of this
• 41:19
  universe? I wanted to know all these
• 41:22
  little things about all these characters.
• 41:30
  He made me care about the robots I know.
• 41:33
  My broke my heart broke for four.
• 41:36
  I know. Really.
• 41:39
  He he finds him later on destroyed and he's like trying
• 41:41
  to stab his head to put a screw back together.
• 41:44
  And just like I OK, I care about the robots, I care about the
• 41:49
  dog. Well, of course we're going to
• 41:50
  care about the dog, but you know, it's.
• 41:54
  Usually Guy Gardner, someone that people can be like, I love
• 41:59
  that guy. You're like, I know.
• 42:00
  Whoa. And I've never, I don't think
• 42:03
  anybody I've never met a true because I'm a huge Green Lantern
• 42:07
  fan also that is truly a guy fan.
• 42:12
  Guy has always been there. Tolerated.
• 42:16
  He took OK. My wife said she's a guy fan.
• 42:19
  I think she's the Nathan Fillion fan, but I it's not until Geoff
• 42:26
  Johns did Green Lantern Rebirth that they really gave Guy.
• 42:31
  Like this background story of befriending Yellow Lanterns and
• 42:37
  their friendship is like, we're going to beat each other up.
• 42:40
  But I even cared about Guy in this.
• 42:42
  Did I want Guy to get socked in the face?
• 42:45
  Absolutely. He has a gold tooth.
• 42:47
  I want to know if Batman is the one that gave him that gold
• 42:50
  tooth because he knocked it out. I need it.
• 42:53
  I need that scene somewhere. If there was one person I wanted
• 42:58
  more of actually was Hawk Girl, because out of the members of
• 43:04
  the Justice Gang, I hate saying that name, by the way, I just
• 43:10
  want to call them Justice League International.
• 43:13
  But she just didn't have a she didn't talk a lot.
• 43:19
  She was there and she did stuff, but I wanted more of her sass
• 43:24
  because Isabel Merced played it so well.
• 43:30
  And but it goes the way Gunn writes.
• 43:37
  Gunn knows how to make us care about characters we never
• 43:41
  thought we could and care even more for characters that we care
• 43:49
  about. It's so cool to see little kids
• 43:52
  online excited for Mr. Terrific, who is such a great character
• 43:58
  and I'm so excited to have. He would.
• 44:01
  To me, he's one of those guys that stole almost every scene he
• 44:03
  was in. He had the humor, but he it was
• 44:07
  a humor in the way like, I know I'm smarter than you, but I'm
• 44:10
  not a douchebag about it. I'm used to being a douchebag
• 44:14
  about it but I'm trying to be better.
• 44:18
  One of the best scenes in the movie I think is him taking Lois
• 44:21
  to go find the portal to save Superman and he just comes out.
• 44:26
  And Rex House is one of my favorite scenes in the movie
• 44:30
  because it's the stereotypical James Gunn pseudo hallway fight
• 44:35
  if you want to call it that and it's just done so well.
• 44:45
  I just, it's one of those things where the movie ends and I just
• 44:50
  want more of every character. Which is great, because it's
• 44:54
  being reported that Guy Gardner and Mr. Terrific are getting
• 44:58
  their own spin off. Even possibly from the open.
• 45:02
  Yeah, which makes me think like, what are they cooking for hot
• 45:04
  girl because. Yeah.
• 45:06
  I wanted to see more of her. She reminds me of the hot girl
• 45:10
  that was in Axelrod's Jadzia Axelrod's run, and I thought it
• 45:16
  was perfect. And we know that she's she's
• 45:20
  Kendra in this he he let us know that like in the Justice League
• 45:25
  series, it's it's not Kendra. It is the Shiara where she is
• 45:32
  the alien, where Kendra has a really kind of tragic back
• 45:35
  story. You know, this is a young woman
• 45:37
  that took her own life that gets possessed by this alien entity
• 45:45
  that is eternal. And I want to know the troubles
• 45:52
  she went through. And I think we will eventually.
• 45:57
  But that was for the comic fans. The casual viewers aren't going
• 46:02
  to know that she has a tragic back story.
• 46:05
  They're just going to know that she's kind of this badass.
• 46:09
  You know, I'm going to chew gum and call you out on your shit
• 46:12
  and then hit you with a Mace character and her battle screech
• 46:19
  cry, if you will. I've heard some people online,
• 46:21
  like, complain about it. I thought it was so cool.
• 46:26
  It was something unique to the character 'cause even my wife
• 46:29
  was like, does she do that in the comics?
• 46:31
  I'm like, not that I remember. And she's like, yeah, that
• 46:36
  that's, that's Black Canary. She's this creature.
• 46:39
  I'm like, yeah, but it goes to the fact that as well as John is
• 46:45
  writing this in a way that if you are interested, go pick up
• 46:49
  the comic books. And we need that in 2025.
• 46:54
  We need people reading. And I would hazard a guess at
• 46:59
  sales. It'd be interesting to to look
• 47:03
  in a few months how DC comic sales have hopefully skyrocketed
• 47:09
  for new readers like, you know, your little ones wanting to pick
• 47:13
  up, you know, a young kids book about Hawk Girl or Superman or
• 47:19
  Supergirl or something. Like that some of the some of
• 47:22
  those characters for Free Comic Book Day that we got for kids.
• 47:26
  Yeah. And I, I think that's great.
• 47:28
  And, but I, I think we're kind of going off on this thing.
• 47:33
  We want to talk about the movie. So, and we only left off the
• 47:38
  beginning. So we're introduced, you know,
• 47:44
  we, we, he gets his butt kicked and we're introduced to this
• 47:49
  idea that Luther is already pulling the strings.
• 47:55
  This is the first time since I think Michael Rosenbaum's Lex
• 47:59
  that Lex has been nailed like I'd.
• 48:03
  Go farther to say that I think he did better than Rosenbaum
• 48:08
  because it. You too.
• 48:10
  I I just. Right.
• 48:11
  Yeah, he made. Me feel every emotion at the end
• 48:14
  of it I was like he had no right.
• 48:16
  Mm hmm, I did not expect any of this.
• 48:19
  Nicholas Holt who played Beast in the X-Men.
• 48:22
  Like what? An underrated actor.
• 48:24
  Oh, the dude is like, and that's what it was.
• 48:27
  And I mentioned this beginning. It's it's always been.
• 48:30
  Lex Luthor is kind of the biggest actor in these movies.
• 48:35
  You think back to Gene Hackman, who already had a career, and
• 48:39
  Christopher Reeve was a daytime soap star.
• 48:43
  Margaret Kidder wasn't that big. She got bigger afterwards, but
• 48:49
  it was Gene Hackman that was kind of the powerhouse that
• 48:51
  brought people in Superman Returns.
• 48:55
  We had Kevin Spacey, who at the time was a very, very, very big
• 49:01
  actor, and people liked less. We can say about that.
• 49:07
  The better. Yeah, that's.
• 49:11
  Well, that one hurts because I really liked a lot of his
• 49:13
  movies. But yeah, so Nicholas Holt has
• 49:20
  been this powerhouse for a long time.
• 49:24
  And I was very skeptical because our last flex was not good in
• 49:33
  the Snyder verse. Oof.
• 49:38
  I, I, there's no redeeming factor to that Lex at all.
• 49:41
  I'm sorry. And I know that you like your
• 49:45
  you. You're a Snyder fan.
• 49:47
  I. I like Snyder.
• 49:48
  I I'm a Snyder fan, but that was like, you know, Jesse tried his
• 49:53
  best, I think, but it seems like he's the only one that tried his
• 49:57
  best. They didn't give him much of
• 50:00
  anything there. And again, we grew up on
• 50:03
  Smallville and Michael Rosenbaum we saw evolve into this evil ass
• 50:10
  character. But it was in a way that we
• 50:12
  spent too much time with him where he was a good character
• 50:16
  where we couldn't really buy necessarily the evilness.
• 50:19
  We just wanted the Lex back that we knew the one from the start
• 50:23
  of the series. I know that on Superman and
• 50:27
  Lois, they brought in a Lex. I kind of gave up on that show
• 50:30
  as a Superman fan because it was too much CW drama for me and I
• 50:35
  just, I couldn't with the kids. I just couldn't.
• 50:38
  I cared about Superman and Lois and that's what the show was
• 50:41
  called and it wasn't about them. And it bothered me.
• 50:44
  Maybe one day I'll go back. Yeah, I'm a huge Flash fan, and
• 50:48
  I had to give up on the Flash because, like, it's very CW
• 50:52
  Very, very. CWI gave up on the last two
• 50:55
  seasons too, so you're not alone.
• 50:57
  Yeah, it's just I got enough to know that Grant Gustin is my
• 51:01
  flash forever. Yeah, for sure.
• 51:04
  Plus he's a good dude, or so it seems.
• 51:07
  I hate 2025 saying he's a good dude, and then two months later
• 51:11
  we find out somebody may not be a good dude.
• 51:13
  So, but he seems like a good dude.
• 51:16
  And I really like Grant, but this Lex, we're introduced to
• 51:21
  him and he, the way Gunn writes him, he's the smartest dude in
• 51:26
  the room. We see it right away and we see
• 51:30
  that it is such a parallel to what we see in our real world.
• 51:35
  Everybody loves this billionaire.
• 51:41
  They worship the ground he walks on.
• 51:43
  We're introduced to Eve Tessmacher in this version or
• 51:46
  this version of her that is clearly more obsessed with him
• 51:50
  than he is with her. And power to her.
• 51:56
  I want to get back to her a little bit later because what
• 51:58
  they the twist they did to her, I'm making her smarter than she
• 52:02
  appeared was just loved it. Lex is so petty, but Gun makes
• 52:15
  us understand where his pettiness comes from.
• 52:19
  This Lex wants to be the center of attention.
• 52:24
  He wants to be the Superman. And so we understand his, we
• 52:34
  understand his anger, but we should not condone it in any
• 52:39
  way, shape or form. We see that he's pulling the
• 52:42
  strings with having this hammer of Bravia beat up.
• 52:48
  And the way that he does it too, with all these cameras and he's
• 52:51
  calling out like chess moves was really clever.
• 52:55
  And I really like that because in the grand scheme of things,
• 53:01
  the major movie versions of Lex that we have has been obsessed
• 53:06
  with land. Gene Hackman wanted to destroy
• 53:10
  California to be a landowner. Kevin Spacey's Lex Luther and
• 53:16
  Superman Returns wanted to build new land with this kryptonite so
• 53:23
  he could control the land. In this movie, they even kind of
• 53:28
  do a little bit of a nod like, oh, he he cares about land here.
• 53:34
  No, he doesn't. And he even tells us that now
• 53:37
  that that would have been icing on the cake.
• 53:39
  But that's not what I'm here for.
• 53:41
  I'm here to destroy you. It's all about you.
• 53:45
  And I really like the Superman's.
• 53:46
  Like, dude, you're a little bit creepy with this.
• 53:50
  You're a little bit too obsessed.
• 53:55
  But we're introduced to Nicholas Holt and Lex and I I have to
• 53:58
  say, do I love Gene Hackman's Lex Luthor?
• 54:02
  Yeah. I mean, he's the first major
• 54:06
  motion picture Lex Luthor. He's charming as all hell.
• 54:10
  He's funny. Did I like Kevin Spacey?
• 54:15
  Yeah, I did. There's the scene in that
• 54:19
  Superman Returns where he yells at Low.
• 54:23
  He's trying to get Lois to to call him a genius, and she's not
• 54:28
  doing it. And he screams in her face.
• 54:30
  And it's like one of my favorite Lex scenes in any movie until
• 54:34
  this. Because every scene that
• 54:37
  Nicholas Holt is in, he just oozes this toxic charisma.
• 54:45
  I want to call it toxic charisma.
• 54:47
  Toxic or he has he he I don't understand how can you make Lex
• 54:55
  Luthor have so much swag as such a bad guy and such negative swag
• 55:01
  too. But at the end of it, I'm like,
• 55:03
  you know, I kind of just want what's best for him, to be
• 55:05
  honest with you. I was happy to see him go get
• 55:09
  get sent to Belle Reeve because I know we'll see him again
• 55:12
  because Belle Reeve is has been in the Suicide Squad, it's been
• 55:16
  in Peacemaker, it's been in Creature Commandos as well.
• 55:22
  They weren't, you know, shipping him off to Arkham or something
• 55:26
  like that because he's not insane.
• 55:29
  I mean, he definitely has mental illness.
• 55:32
  He's a narcissist and a sociopath.
• 55:36
  But yeah, I mean, he he radiates this toxic charisma that people
• 55:45
  that mirrors people in our own life in 2025, be them
• 55:50
  influencers or billionaires that try to control our government.
• 55:56
  And that's very much what I got from this Lex.
• 55:59
  And he nails it. The scene where Superman comes
• 56:02
  into his office looking for crypto and throws his death skin
• 56:09
  against the window and the way he just sits there, so calm and
• 56:15
  then taunts him behind the coffee mug is just so well
• 56:22
  acted. And it's so the, the, the, the
• 56:27
  connection this cast had. You could feel it, whether it's
• 56:32
  behind the scenes or on screen. I bought that David and Rachel
• 56:39
  had charisma for days. I bought that David and Nicholas
• 56:48
  had kind of a rivalry going on because Nicholas did try out for
• 56:53
  Superman and lost it to David. And I think that probably
• 56:59
  fueled, fueled some of those scenes in a good way.
• 57:04
  In a good way. Not none.
• 57:06
  I actually want to hurt David Way.
• 57:08
  Yeah, no, I get it. It it makes sense it they do
• 57:11
  have this chemistry that is so off the charts that you can see
• 57:14
  on screen and off screen, but especially Lois and Clark.
• 57:22
  What I loved about this movie is that they didn't sugarcoat a
• 57:24
  relationship that was like they're meant to be.
• 57:27
  They're perfect. They're incredible.
• 57:28
  What they were was very flawed to people who were complete
• 57:31
  opposites who didn't even think this would really work.
• 57:34
  Still try and that's relatable. That's understandable.
• 57:39
  It's not this fairy tale within a Superman movie.
• 57:42
  It's this is real stuff and I really like that.
• 57:48
  You know, you, you mentioned the trailers and like, I wasn't
• 57:52
  expecting the movie to start this way, that this was like
• 57:55
  something that would come later. The same can be said for one of
• 57:58
  the best moments. Some of the best moments of this
• 58:01
  movie is just talking, which in a superhero movie is kind of not
• 58:07
  heard of. You know, you think of over on
• 58:11
  the Marvel side, some of the best moments are action-packed,
• 58:15
  whether it's we finally get Avengers Assemble, like like we
• 58:20
  hear those words or so on and so forth.
• 58:24
  It's action. Some of the best moments in this
• 58:26
  movie are talking are the most heartfelt, and this goes those
• 58:33
  things that we saw in the trailer that happened early on
• 58:37
  in the movie. That interview that Clark gives
• 58:41
  to Lois, like here interview me was so raw and so beautiful in a
• 58:50
  realistic relationship way that you're going to push each
• 58:57
  other's gears. And we see Lois for who she is.
• 59:02
  She is the intrepid reporter. She is tenacious.
• 59:06
  She is an unmovable object in her what she believes in.
• 59:14
  And the fact that she calls him out like saying and she's like
• 59:17
  trying. There's this beautiful thing
• 59:19
  where she's saying these things, but on her face too, she's like,
• 59:25
  it's like she's almost pleading, like, you know, I still care
• 59:27
  about you, right? And I'm asking these questions.
• 59:31
  She does so much with her face. That's that's wonderful.
• 59:34
  But that whole scene is one of my favorite scenes in the movie.
• 59:38
  And then she goes to clean and we have this moment before
• 59:46
  Superman or Clark storms out. Rightly so.
• 59:49
  I get that he's upset. I, I'm, you know, I walk away
• 59:52
  from situations. I, I don't, I don't like to
• 59:55
  fight. And Clark is the same way in
• 59:57
  this movie. And I I like that.
• 1:00:00
  And she says something along the lines of maybe this isn't
• 1:00:09
  working or something along those lines where she's had the doubts
• 1:00:13
  about their relationship. And of course, this gets
• 1:00:17
  resolved by the end of the movie.
• 1:00:21
  But they don't. Gun doesn't do this thing where
• 1:00:23
  he tries to fix it right away or he tries to go and have them say
• 1:00:28
  I love you to each other. In that moment.
• 1:00:31
  He makes the fight believable that they both kind of walk
• 1:00:35
  away. This happened.
• 1:00:38
  There's no unhappening what this is.
• 1:00:41
  And we just have to have faith that later on they'll reconcile.
• 1:00:46
  And they do. And it's beautiful.
• 1:00:49
  And I love the moment that they do reconcile.
• 1:00:51
  I love the we we get to see Superman or Clark and Lois's
• 1:00:55
  first I love yous to each other, what we've never really seen
• 1:01:00
  before. You go back and you re watch the
• 1:01:04
  Christopher Reeve movies and the the relationship with Clark and
• 1:01:08
  Lois is a little bit weird. It's it's, it's old, old
• 1:01:13
  Superman style where she clearly falls in love with Superman.
• 1:01:16
  Here. I believe that Lois fell in love
• 1:01:19
  with Clark 1st and the Superman she's going to call him out on
• 1:01:23
  as flaws. And I, I appreciate that and I
• 1:01:28
  appreciate that it came so early in the movie too, because it
• 1:01:31
  shapes what he does in the rest of the movie.
• 1:01:35
  He hesitates at times and he calls himself on that.
• 1:01:39
  In the end, when he confronts Luther, he says, I make
• 1:01:42
  mistakes. And that is the Superman that we
• 1:01:45
  need because of the allegory. He is, you know, somebody that
• 1:01:56
  is an illegal alien that is constantly worried about making
• 1:02:01
  the wrong choices but doing the right thing nonetheless.
• 1:02:06
  And he's going to make mistakes. He's three years into his
• 1:02:09
  career. We're not seeing a Superman that
• 1:02:12
  is just fresh off the boat first putting on the costume for the
• 1:02:15
  first time. For three years he's been doing
• 1:02:18
  good. And for the first time, he makes
• 1:02:21
  mistakes and we see his reasons. He's like, people were going to
• 1:02:27
  die. And she's like, I get that, but
• 1:02:33
  and it's that moment that we need to take the breath with
• 1:02:36
  Superman. And that's something that a lot
• 1:02:39
  of directors have haven't done with Superman before.
• 1:02:42
  That moment to breathe. I never felt that in Man of
• 1:02:46
  Steel. I never felt that in Batman
• 1:02:50
  versus Superman. I never felt that in Justice
• 1:02:53
  League where it's like, hey, are we doing the right thing instead
• 1:02:59
  of just doing? And I think that message of that
• 1:03:03
  scene where Lois is is interviewing him, there's some
• 1:03:08
  humor in there. I like their little banter of,
• 1:03:11
  you know, you've come out under a lot of heat.
• 1:03:14
  And he's like, it's been a lot. Yeah, it's been a lot.
• 1:03:17
  It was really cute. Or the fact that she brought up
• 1:03:22
  social media and then knew what buttons to push just like any
• 1:03:28
  good significant other, be it a wife or even a husband knows how
• 1:03:35
  to what what buttons to push. She uses that.
• 1:03:39
  That's what was it super jerk or something like that?
• 1:03:42
  Super. Shit.
• 1:03:43
  Super shit, that's what it is. Super shit.
• 1:03:46
  And he's like, you know, I don't like that.
• 1:03:48
  And we realize that he doesn't like because he doesn't like
• 1:03:51
  language. And it's just those buttons that
• 1:03:56
  she knows how to push. And it just shows you that Dunn
• 1:04:00
  did his homework. He understands who Lois is at
• 1:04:04
  her core. And she has always been.
• 1:04:07
  She's never since like the 90s, she's never been the damsel in
• 1:04:14
  distress. She's always been the one to
• 1:04:17
  stand her on her own 2 feet to ask the tough questions.
• 1:04:25
  And he, he understood that and he showed us this and this idea
• 1:04:28
  of her being punk rock. I love that whole, I know you
• 1:04:32
  brought it up in the beginning of this, but that whole
• 1:04:35
  conversation of punk rock and he's like Clark's like, no, I'm,
• 1:04:41
  I'm punk rock too. And I like this, this and this,
• 1:04:44
  the Mighty Crab Joys and stuff like that.
• 1:04:49
  And a quick aside too. My wife is giving me a look
• 1:04:52
  because I was the one to teach my wife this Superman is a big
• 1:04:56
  music guy in the comics. In fact, his favorite band, if
• 1:05:02
  you don't know, this is Metallica, which is mine, which
• 1:05:05
  is my wife's favorite band. She mentions and I, I, I wish I
• 1:05:09
  had written down that there's no Metallica in the soundtrack.
• 1:05:13
  She's mad there's no Metallica in the sound.
• 1:05:14
  I wonder if. We'll see him like come into
• 1:05:17
  being a fan of Metallica because if it's that big of a thing, I
• 1:05:20
  mean, and that seems like it's right up James Gunn's alley, is
• 1:05:24
  to incorporate because he made a whole playlist for each
• 1:05:27
  character. And this was the first James
• 1:05:30
  Gunn movie since Scooby-doo that didn't have like the official
• 1:05:40
  soundtrack that we hear in the movie.
• 1:05:43
  There's like 1 licensed song and that is when Mr. Terrific is
• 1:05:47
  doing his thing. I was fully expecting to come
• 1:05:51
  into this with a Guardians of the Galaxy level soundtrack.
• 1:05:55
  And I was like, if you were to place money and like hey George,
• 1:05:58
  what songs are going to be on there?
• 1:06:00
  I'm like there's going to be some Metallica because of this,
• 1:06:03
  this and this. He tells Superboy that he is a
• 1:06:05
  metallic. He owns every Metallica CD and
• 1:06:10
  here they have an argument about punk rock and bands and she
• 1:06:14
  mentions real bands. And then he brings up the James
• 1:06:17
  Gunn created Mighty Crab Joys. And I kind of look at my wife
• 1:06:22
  and I go, yet nobody brings up Green Day.
• 1:06:26
  OK, I got a little bit upset about that.
• 1:06:28
  But this idea that she punk rock, not hi, whatever.
• 1:06:36
  Green Day's not recent. They're 80s now.
• 1:06:40
  Anyways, I like this idea of that kindness being punk rock,
• 1:06:49
  of Lois being punk rock in a way to rebel against her father, who
• 1:06:55
  those of us know her father is military, that she was an army
• 1:07:01
  brat, that she moved around a lot.
• 1:07:03
  She never got to have roots. She had to take care of her
• 1:07:05
  little sister as well. It makes sense that she would
• 1:07:09
  be, yeah, that it makes sense that she would be punk rock.
• 1:07:14
  And again, this goes into the whole thing of how real he makes
• 1:07:18
  his characters and how we can evolve them.
• 1:07:26
  It would be so easy to make a movie that would have been super
• 1:07:30
  cheesy like Batman and Robin back in the day because that is
• 1:07:37
  what a lot of people think Superman is and he was able to
• 1:07:41
  place this heart in with almost every single character.
• 1:07:45
  Like when we meet the Justice King, they call Superman out on
• 1:07:52
  a ship for not taking care of business.
• 1:07:55
  We have this Kaiju scenario, which I loved because it was so
• 1:08:02
  random. I had so many questions about
• 1:08:05
  how this Kaiju came to be and they kind of swept it under the
• 1:08:11
  rug and that's where it felt like an old animated series
• 1:08:14
  episode. Don't question it, just it's a
• 1:08:17
  Kaiju, what more do you want? It's a Kaiju fight.
• 1:08:20
  Just take it. It's just.
• 1:08:22
  Happening. Yeah, it's happening.
• 1:08:24
  So, you know, the Justice Gang comes out and Guy Gardner and
• 1:08:30
  Mr. Terrific call him out on his shit.
• 1:08:32
  Like, yeah, you're saving people, but how much damage is
• 1:08:35
  being done? And we realize, yeah, this Clark
• 1:08:39
  is still learning the ropes. But we also have this beautiful
• 1:08:43
  moment where he's like, we can save this creature or at least
• 1:08:47
  find a way to put it down humanely.
• 1:08:51
  And he has to watch in horror as these other heroes kill it in a
• 1:08:55
  horrific way. When you really think about the
• 1:08:58
  way Mr. Terrific kills it, it's really kind of horrific.
• 1:09:03
  Like he sends those Spears down its throat and like, blows up
• 1:09:07
  his stomach and it's just like, oh God.
• 1:09:12
  But it's that humanity, too, where it's like, I understand
• 1:09:17
  why Guy Gardner is getting in Superman's face.
• 1:09:22
  I get why hot girl just wants to go back to wherever she hangs
• 1:09:32
  out. She's done with this.
• 1:09:33
  Like whatever, right? You know, this is clearly an
• 1:09:36
  everyday occurrence for her or Mr. Terrific.
• 1:09:41
  Like basically telling them you got to be smarter.
• 1:09:44
  And then you realize that this is somebody like Lex that is
• 1:09:48
  always the smartest one in the room because we haven't met
• 1:09:52
  Batman yet. We know Batman is around.
• 1:09:54
  We saw him in, we saw him in Creature Commandos, you know,
• 1:10:00
  that flash of taking down Doctor Phosphorus.
• 1:10:03
  And we know that Batman is always going to be one of the
• 1:10:06
  other smartest ones in the room. But it's this humanity that he
• 1:10:12
  gives the other heroes as well. And that's where I want to come
• 1:10:16
  into talking about a lesser known hero, and that was
• 1:10:20
  Metamorpho because we were introduced to Metamorpho in this
• 1:10:24
  movie. When Superman is eventually
• 1:10:28
  captured, he turns himself in very much.
• 1:10:31
  And I've seen a lot of the Steiner Bros going Snyder did
• 1:10:34
  it, you know, because he turns himself in to the authorities
• 1:10:40
  after Lex leaks the the true recording of what his parents
• 1:10:48
  said. And he turns himself in and it's
• 1:10:53
  all for Lex to get him in the secret prison, which by the way,
• 1:10:56
  back to Lex being petty taking your ex from it looks like prom.
• 1:11:03
  That girl looked like she was still in a prom dress years
• 1:11:06
  later and locking her in this prison.
• 1:11:10
  Damn. But we're introducing Metamorpho
• 1:11:15
  and Metamorpho is I have always been a fan of the lesser heroes.
• 1:11:21
  I know I'm a huge Superman fan and he's like my hero.
• 1:11:26
  But when it comes to DC, they have all these.
• 1:11:28
  I mean, Marvel does too, don't get me wrong.
• 1:11:32
  But DC has a lot of great lesser heroes.
• 1:11:35
  Like one of my all time favorites is Mr. Miracle from
• 1:11:40
  the New Gods. And another one is I've always
• 1:11:45
  really liked Metamorpho and he is a character that is like
• 1:11:48
  crafted for James Gunn. He is a hero that looks like a
• 1:11:54
  monster. And we don't get a lot of back
• 1:11:57
  story. We get no back story.
• 1:11:59
  Like how was Metamorpho? Metamorpho?
• 1:12:03
  Well, if you want to know, go read the comics, go watch
• 1:12:06
  Justice League the animated series.
• 1:12:08
  We get no back story. We just get this guy that is a
• 1:12:11
  prison cell that can change his body into the elements and he's
• 1:12:18
  used to torture Superman because he can make his body into
• 1:12:22
  kryptonite. And then we have this really
• 1:12:27
  broken hearted guy in Metamorpho that he doesn't want to do this,
• 1:12:32
  but he is doing it for his child.
• 1:12:35
  And we learned that he has this weird looking creature baby that
• 1:12:41
  is literally situated in a cell across from him that he has to
• 1:12:45
  watch have a gun to his head every single day.
• 1:12:52
  And he tortures Superman for God.
• 1:12:54
  It feels like 20-30 minutes of this movie.
• 1:12:57
  I mean, it probably wasn't. It just felt like a very long
• 1:12:59
  time. I think the actor played it so
• 1:13:07
  well. Metamorpho looks so amazing and
• 1:13:10
  I just felt for this characters that I just wanted to hug him by
• 1:13:14
  the time that he got out and he met the other Justice Gang
• 1:13:18
  members and like you, you should join us.
• 1:13:22
  And he's like, I love that name and Guy Gardner's like you're
• 1:13:26
  in. I just wanted to hug Metamorpho
• 1:13:30
  like he was just this character that I was just and I don't
• 1:13:34
  think we've seen the last of him.
• 1:13:36
  I don't think he was a one off. I think this is a character Gun
• 1:13:40
  has waited to use because he is that lesser known character and
• 1:13:46
  that's what Gun thrives at. He takes the Guardians of the
• 1:13:49
  Galaxy, who up until the movie were honestly lesser known
• 1:13:54
  heroes. In Marvel Comics.
• 1:13:56
  They didn't have the presence of the X-Men or Spider Man or
• 1:14:00
  Daredevil or The Avengers, right?
• 1:14:03
  They were there and they sometimes did things and then he
• 1:14:08
  got it and they became popular and they they their books sell
• 1:14:11
  well. Or they used to.
• 1:14:13
  I haven't checked recently. Metamorphose, one of those
• 1:14:18
  characters that I think is designed for him.
• 1:14:20
  He took the Suicide Squad and he made us care about Peacemaker,
• 1:14:26
  who Christopher Smith has always been a lesser character in the
• 1:14:31
  cartoons and in the comics. He brought in Blood Sport and we
• 1:14:38
  cared about him. Like what?
• 1:14:41
  And I do because we were establishing the the Justice or
• 1:14:47
  the Suicide Squad. Sorry that Superman was already
• 1:14:51
  a thing because Bloodsport nearly killed him.
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  I would be happy if we saw that flashback now.
• 1:15:01
  Possibly maybe an animated form. I think it would be interesting.
• 1:15:06
  What I like about this movie was he introduced all these
• 1:15:09
  characters and a lot of people were complaining or some people
• 1:15:12
  were complaining online. Not a lot of people actually.
• 1:15:14
  There's been a lot of love for this movie.
• 1:15:16
  If if our your listeners are are wondering like even within not
• 1:15:23
  just our group that you run like there's a lot of love.
• 1:15:27
  I mean, sure, we'll get comments of somebody calling it crap or
• 1:15:31
  something like that occasionally, whatever.
• 1:15:34
  Edge Lords will be edge Lords. But outside of our group,
• 1:15:38
  there's a lot of love for this. And I get some of the complaints
• 1:15:42
  that others are saying that there was too many characters.
• 1:15:45
  No, there weren't. You dealt with it with Guardians
• 1:15:48
  of the Galaxy. You can deal with it here.
• 1:15:53
  It was rushed in the beginning, I felt, because he was like
• 1:15:56
  trying to get all these characters on screen.
• 1:15:58
  We met the Justice Gang within maybe the 1st 30 minutes of the
• 1:16:04
  movie, maybe 40. We met them early on.
• 1:16:09
  And then he establishes the characters.
• 1:16:12
  He builds the characters. We learned for the first time
• 1:16:16
  that the Green Lanterns, at least in popular media, those
• 1:16:22
  that don't watch cartoons or something, have an oath.
• 1:16:25
  We didn't get to hear Guy Gardner and tell us what the
• 1:16:27
  oath is. He says, you know, we are the of
• 1:16:30
  the cloth. I love that we are the cloth,
• 1:16:36
  but I also love that this Superman is really trusting too
• 1:16:40
  because we it comes to find out that the Justice Gang all know
• 1:16:44
  who Superman is, even Guy Gardner.
• 1:16:48
  Which OK, I can understand Mr. Terrific knowing, but this
• 1:16:56
  Superman is kind of unlike other Superman that we've had before.
• 1:17:01
  He is he is the opposite of the coin of what's Snyder did.
• 1:17:08
  Steiner made his Superman very close to the close to the belt.
• 1:17:12
  Like I honestly don't even know if he I felt like he fully
• 1:17:16
  trusted Lois in those movies. He's even more trusting in some
• 1:17:24
  ways than Christopher Reeve's character was.
• 1:17:27
  We saw it wasn't until the 2nd movie that he really struggled
• 1:17:30
  with telling Lois who he was Here.
• 1:17:35
  Superman and Lois have been or Clark and Lois have been
• 1:17:38
  together. I think they said what 3 months?
• 1:17:42
  I can't remember. Three months.
• 1:17:44
  Three months and she already knows who he is.
• 1:17:47
  Now again, this comes back to the Did she figure it out?
• 1:17:52
  Did he tell her? We don't know, but three months
• 1:17:56
  into a relationship, it's also interesting because we get to
• 1:18:01
  see the first, like I mentioned before, the 1st I love you,
• 1:18:05
  Yeah, which my wife and I are a sucker for.
• 1:18:07
  We love all the romantic, romantic stuff like that.
• 1:18:12
  But he's the one who says it first, which is, which is
• 1:18:17
  different because it's always been kind of Lois telling
• 1:18:20
  Superman, I love you or something like that.
• 1:18:25
  And we don't get her I love you until the end of the movie,
• 1:18:28
  which is well deserved. One of my favorite moments of
• 1:18:30
  the movie. But I this Superman is trusting.
• 1:18:36
  He trusts the people from Metropolis.
• 1:18:39
  When he gets his butt kicked, he's saved by a shawarma.
• 1:18:44
  Was it a shawarma or a vendor or something?
• 1:18:48
  I forget what he was, what he was selling, but he's like, you
• 1:18:51
  ate my food once and you told me who?
• 1:18:54
  I don't know if it was Shorma, I thought it was like a hot dog or
• 1:18:56
  something. I can't remember now I don't.
• 1:18:59
  Remember. I can tell you later when we got
• 1:19:01
  to see the movie again, but the people love him and that's where
• 1:19:08
  that betrayal comes in. And I think gun Places as well.
• 1:19:11
  When the truth of that video comes out, it plays on two
• 1:19:14
  things in our real world very well #1 how fast social media
• 1:19:19
  will turn on somebody. Yeah.
• 1:19:22
  And this is something that we have witnessed in the past 10 to
• 1:19:25
  15 years, whether it's in. It's also playing off of
• 1:19:31
  something that gun had to deal with too 'cause if your
• 1:19:35
  listeners remember, it was a few years ago that gun was fired
• 1:19:39
  from Marvel. Yeah.
• 1:19:41
  For something in old tweets like like.
• 1:19:44
  They weren't like, I will say they were messed up tweets.
• 1:19:48
  They were pretty old. So it's like.
• 1:19:49
  And they weren't. But like, this idea of people
• 1:19:53
  can change, people can grow. But I mean, I think this was how
• 1:19:57
  fast they turn on him. And his guilt of it too, is
• 1:20:04
  really played into a factor that affects us as a real world.
• 1:20:10
  This is somebody that is in the limelight.
• 1:20:14
  And it's refreshing because the people that are in the limelight
• 1:20:17
  that make mistakes we don't often see.
• 1:20:20
  Take responsibility for it And the heartbreaking thing is Clark
• 1:20:25
  takes responsibility for something that is not his fault.
• 1:20:29
  He's taking responsibility for the sense of a parent, which no
• 1:20:34
  child should have to do. I.
• 1:20:36
  Agree. You know, and I think it's
• 1:20:42
  really interesting in the that social media aspect we can
• 1:20:45
  bounce into the idea of the very funny thing we learn about in
• 1:20:49
  the pocket universe of Lex has been behind the smear campaign
• 1:20:57
  of Superman all along using social media.
• 1:21:03
  I want to say Twitter. It acts because it basically
• 1:21:05
  probably was, but and he's done the same thing he does to
• 1:21:13
  crypto, which is reprehensible, but he puts like probes inside a
• 1:21:17
  little monkey's heads and he has monkeys on typewriters writing
• 1:21:22
  out these this hate campaign, which was just such beautiful
• 1:21:25
  social commentary that I, I, I felt that gun threw out there.
• 1:21:32
  I applauded. I applauded.
• 1:21:34
  He went there and I kind of, I kind of want to make that my new
• 1:21:39
  thing is I want to get a still image of the monkeys.
• 1:21:43
  And anytime we have somebody like in the group or outside of
• 1:21:46
  the group just smearing hate just because I just want to post
• 1:21:50
  the picture of the monkeys. Or maybe you should do it as
• 1:21:55
  your moderator. The past few days, that's what
• 1:21:58
  my head has gone back to. I was like, oh, another monkey.
• 1:22:01
  Yeah, yeah. It's amazing how much social
• 1:22:05
  commentary, not just like, and it goes back to this idea of
• 1:22:08
  Superman is woke. Comic books have always been
• 1:22:12
  woke. There's difference between this
• 1:22:16
  idea of this woke miss. I hate using that stupid term,
• 1:22:21
  but the social commentary that he puts in as well, Lex's social
• 1:22:25
  commentary for all those billionaires that people fall
• 1:22:30
  off their feet, whether they are YouTube personalities or in
• 1:22:36
  government or government adjacent.
• 1:22:39
  And he does it beautifully. And we understand that maybe Lex
• 1:22:46
  before his obsession with Superman had the best
• 1:22:49
  intentions. Sure.
• 1:22:53
  Lex Diaz, I wanted to make Metropolis better.
• 1:22:58
  I wanted to make the world a better place.
• 1:23:01
  And then he comes along and they look up to him and then you just
• 1:23:06
  see that you are so toxic. And I feel like this is Gun
• 1:23:13
  Lane, the groundwork of, yes, Lex is a horrible person, but
• 1:23:18
  eventually I can show audiences where that horribleness came
• 1:23:21
  from. Maybe I'll introduce his father
• 1:23:24
  later on, kind of like Smallville did.
• 1:23:25
  Like we understood where that Lex was coming from.
• 1:23:29
  Lionel Luther was a horrible, horrible person.
• 1:23:34
  And we we, we understood that. And then we also have these
• 1:23:39
  beautiful moments where it's like someone likes the social
• 1:23:42
  commentary, if you will, of Eve Tessmacher, who she is, seems
• 1:23:48
  like the stereotypical influencer that she is with a
• 1:23:52
  person in power simply because they are in power.
• 1:23:57
  And then it comes along later on that the one person that treated
• 1:24:01
  she thought treated her right was Jimmy Olsen, who we learn
• 1:24:10
  has not treated her right, that he's flawed too.
• 1:24:16
  He put up boundaries. That girl's obsessed.
• 1:24:18
  Put your boundaries up, King. He also did put shrimp toes in.
• 1:24:23
  And you know what? If she has those monster,
• 1:24:27
  where's the lie? Monster toes.
• 1:24:30
  Monster toes. That's right.
• 1:24:31
  Monster toes. I'm mad they didn't show us.
• 1:24:35
  I want to I. Feel like there's some people
• 1:24:37
  out there that would want them to be shown but.
• 1:24:40
  Yeah. Oh, I mean.
• 1:24:42
  So fast. I just really love that they did
• 1:24:45
  so in the original Superman movie.
• 1:24:46
  That's where Eve Kassmocker comes from.
• 1:24:52
  She too, helps Superman. She has that moment where it's
• 1:24:55
  like, will you save my mother? And then she kisses them before
• 1:24:59
  she takes off the kryptonite and all that stuff.
• 1:25:02
  Here she turns over state evidence, if you will, to Jimmy
• 1:25:05
  Olsen, and he gets it all. And he thinks it's just a bunch
• 1:25:09
  of selfies and he's like, God damn it.
• 1:25:14
  And then you leave it to Lois to kind of like turn the she takes
• 1:25:19
  her phone and turns it sideways and and zooms in.
• 1:25:23
  She's like, wait a second, We realized that Eve and this is up
• 1:25:28
  Jane's gun alley. And he's it says commentary that
• 1:25:32
  maybe some of these girls online that appear stupid aren't as
• 1:25:35
  stupid as they seem. She's been laying the groundwork
• 1:25:40
  to betray Lex if he ever hurts her.
• 1:25:42
  And there is a moment in the movie where he throws a mug at
• 1:25:46
  her. And as soon as that happens, my
• 1:25:50
  wife has texted me in theater and she kisses and she's like,
• 1:25:54
  oh, and I'm so I'm with it. I'm like, leave the leave the
• 1:25:56
  guy. And she she does, she turns us
• 1:25:58
  all over to to Jimmy. And it's everything they need to
• 1:26:01
  incriminate Lex. And really, it's not Superman
• 1:26:06
  that does Lex in in the movie. It's crypto and it's it's the
• 1:26:12
  evidence. It's it's Jimmy and it's it's
• 1:26:15
  Lois. And I love when they're going to
• 1:26:18
  help and they're in that that T-Mobile or whatever they he
• 1:26:23
  invented for this movie that Mister Terrific uses.
• 1:26:27
  Yeah. That garage door scene makes me
• 1:26:29
  laugh, but I love that it's the lessers that are able to
• 1:26:44
  overcome this billionaire through the power of journalism
• 1:26:53
  or through Don't be cruel to animals you Dick.
• 1:26:57
  That, that was the one I was like full support 100%.
• 1:27:01
  And we we've learned that they actually cut out a scene with
• 1:27:04
  crypto because they, I guess there's a scene where they, I
• 1:27:08
  imagine, use kryptonite to weaken them and Lex like punches
• 1:27:12
  and and kicks Crypto and they cut that out of the movie.
• 1:27:15
  I'm like, that's good. That's probably a step too far
• 1:27:18
  if they showed that. But going kind of going to this
• 1:27:27
  idea of the way the movie is structured and why I was so
• 1:27:31
  engrossed throughout this whole movie was he understood the
• 1:27:36
  assignment of what makes comic books great and something that
• 1:27:41
  Marvel kind of dances around every once in a while.
• 1:27:46
  They'll they'll do it is. And I think you're kind of with
• 1:27:50
  me. I've, you know, listen to some
• 1:27:52
  of your reviews too. But sometimes in Marvel, we
• 1:27:56
  wonder, OK, this horrible thing is going on in New York.
• 1:28:01
  I'm going to use Daredevil, for example.
• 1:28:03
  Here Fisk is putting martial law on New York City.
• 1:28:12
  But at the same time, we have the Void coming in, and Void
• 1:28:22
  wipes out most of New York. What are the other heroes doing
• 1:28:28
  at this time? Does does Fisk just like, is it
• 1:28:34
  even going to be bring up? Of course not.
• 1:28:36
  Marvel's never brought it up. You know it took them years to
• 1:28:41
  bring up the the giant celestial God in the ocean.
• 1:28:47
  They wanted us to forget about that so bad.
• 1:28:49
  They did and we did it. But Gun showed us that these
• 1:28:57
  characters are all intertwined in some way, shape or form, that
• 1:29:02
  there are other heroes in Metropolis and when shit hits
• 1:29:06
  the fan, they're going to show up.
• 1:29:10
  Now, are they going to be a good team?
• 1:29:11
  Probably not. I feel like the Justice Gang is
• 1:29:15
  not really a good team. In fact, one of my favorite
• 1:29:17
  moments is where we go to Clark's apartment and Lois
• 1:29:23
  confronts him and outside of his window we see the Justice Gang
• 1:29:26
  fighting something. And us comic book fans, we
• 1:29:30
  thought it was the Sun Eater from Grant Morrison's All Star
• 1:29:35
  Superman because it looks just like that.
• 1:29:37
  And we have a great moment, an Easter egg moment where Lois
• 1:29:45
  looks out the window and she goes, aren't you going to help
• 1:29:47
  them? And Superman is exhausted and
• 1:29:50
  he's tired. And he goes, Nah, they got this
• 1:29:53
  covered. It's just an interdimensional
• 1:29:56
  imp, which I squealed because that means the Justice Gang.
• 1:30:03
  We're dealing most likely with Mr. Mixie Pitilik.
• 1:30:09
  And I feel like that was a nod for Mr. Mixie Piddlich.
• 1:30:12
  And I was very excited about that because we know that James
• 1:30:19
  Gunn likes those lesser characters.
• 1:30:22
  He's already mentioned that he loves Bat Night, which is the
• 1:30:26
  Mr. Mixie Piddlich version of of Batman, if you will.
• 1:30:34
  So that was a nice little nod, but it's going to show us that
• 1:30:38
  especially in Metropolis, Superman isn't always needed.
• 1:30:42
  And he knows when to step back and let police handle it, let
• 1:30:48
  firefighters handle it, let the other heroes handle it.
• 1:30:52
  And unlike Marvel, we see what kind of is going on.
• 1:30:58
  And I hope Marvel kind of sees this and does a little shift.
• 1:31:04
  Not trying to RIP on Marvel, but it was nice to see this moment
• 1:31:07
  where in the background we saw other heroes doing their thing.
• 1:31:11
  Did we get to see that full thing?
• 1:31:14
  No, but on Daredevil if the city is on lockdown and martial law,
• 1:31:21
  it would have been nice just to hear a whip in the background or
• 1:31:27
  see somebody webbed to a wall. Did we have to see Spider Man
• 1:31:31
  himself? Well, that's all.
• 1:31:33
  That's Sony, though. Like that one, I can't look at
• 1:31:36
  them. It's such a trashy situation.
• 1:31:38
  But that one I was like, there's no way.
• 1:31:40
  I know. But.
• 1:31:42
  Here we got to see that moment and that is, I mean, there's no
• 1:31:45
  rights issues per SE. So it was very cool to see this
• 1:31:50
  moment of other heroes operating in this city.
• 1:31:54
  And we know because of some Easter eggs throughout that he
• 1:31:59
  also did his homework. He told us in an interview or I
• 1:32:04
  listened to an interview, that there are no real world
• 1:32:09
  counterparts are there are no real world landmarks in his DC
• 1:32:15
  Universe. There isn't a New York there.
• 1:32:19
  New York is Metropolis, Yeah. And right across the Bay,
• 1:32:24
  because we saw on the highway scene that there was a sign for
• 1:32:29
  the exit for Gotham City, which in the DC Universe is across the
• 1:32:35
  Bay of Metropolis, which is very cool that he realized that.
• 1:32:40
  So we know that you know, we know who's in Gotham and we know
• 1:32:47
  that he's coming. Is DC going to have some messy
• 1:32:52
  stuff? Are we going to have elseworlds
• 1:32:54
  like Matt Reeves Batman movies, which are are the first ones
• 1:32:59
  fantastic. Are they going to be the
• 1:33:02
  mainstream Batman movies? No, unfortunately, unless he
• 1:33:06
  changes his mind. But we know that Batman is alive
• 1:33:11
  and well in this universe. We saw Glenn probably if anybody
• 1:33:13
  watched Creature Commandos. We know because the opening
• 1:33:18
  crawl 300 years that for 300 years, superheroes metahumans
• 1:33:24
  have been a thing. Lex establishes that other
• 1:33:27
  metahumans don't bother him. It's Superman.
• 1:33:32
  And I think that's what made me. One of their other reasons that
• 1:33:37
  made me so happy with this movie was it felt alive.
• 1:33:44
  See Guardians of the Galaxy. It felt alive, but at the same
• 1:33:48
  time it didn't feel connected to the other movies, at least not
• 1:33:53
  right away. Yeah, I agree.
• 1:33:56
  It felt like the universe was alive and well, but by the time
• 1:33:59
  of like Guardians Three, my question became like, where's
• 1:34:04
  Carol Danvers? Haven't they heard of like, you
• 1:34:08
  know all this? Well, obviously they did,
• 1:34:10
  because they talked to each other during Avengers and stuff
• 1:34:13
  like that. But Gunn made Superman's
• 1:34:18
  universe and the DC Universe feel alive.
• 1:34:23
  And it felt alive not just through the major characters,
• 1:34:27
  but the average Joe Smoe on the street.
• 1:34:32
  The people on the street felt real.
• 1:34:34
  The fact that he had Superman saved squirrels, yeah, which was
• 1:34:40
  adorable. Or use his super breath to blow
• 1:34:44
  away a dog so a dog wouldn't get hurt.
• 1:34:49
  Or the fact that Lex kidnaps this street vendor and murders
• 1:34:57
  him in in one of the most brutal scenes in the movie, in my
• 1:35:00
  opinion, where he blows that guy's brains out in front of
• 1:35:05
  Superman and Superman can't do anything was such a powerful
• 1:35:11
  scene because you felt for this character.
• 1:35:15
  That is a throwaway, should have been a throwaway joke character.
• 1:35:20
  And he becomes so much more. And I love that that's even a
• 1:35:26
  step further than we got in Guardians of the Galaxy.
• 1:35:30
  Like Guardians of the Galaxy, everyone played an important
• 1:35:34
  part, but that random robot prostitute didn't, right?
• 1:35:39
  It was a throwaway gag, but here the random person on the street
• 1:35:44
  mattered. When Perry White is telling the
• 1:35:48
  different people in the bullpen of the Daily Planet to get up to
• 1:35:51
  the roof so they could escape, he mentions everybody that we
• 1:35:55
  have had before we briefly met, and then he picks one random
• 1:36:00
  person. Now I know it's not a random
• 1:36:02
  person, it is a character from the comics, but that person had
• 1:36:05
  no lines in the movie, but we saw him in the background.
• 1:36:08
  That person mattered and it felt like the real world and it felt
• 1:36:13
  like the world that we need now. I agree with everything you've
• 1:36:19
  said, it definitely does feel like this is what we need in the
• 1:36:22
  world, but we do have to wrap up.
• 1:36:24
  I'm so sorry my kids are ruining my life back there.
• 1:36:29
  You don't need to be sorry, it's fine.
• 1:36:32
  So thank you so much for joining me.
• 1:36:34
  Like I said, you are the perfect person to come here because you
• 1:36:37
  just have such a passion for the characters, for the story and I
• 1:36:40
  love that and I loved hearing your thoughts.
• 1:36:43
  You made so many amazing points. So thank you for joining me.
• 1:36:48
  Thank you for having me. Of course.
• 1:36:50
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