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Mac & Bone Show - John Talty Interview · Mac & Bone Podcast

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  Speaker 1: He is John Talty and he joins us here on
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  Speaker 1: the Mac and Bone Show. John, what's going on? Man?
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us.
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  Speaker 2: How you doing great?
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  Speaker 3: Man? Appreciate you guys?
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  Speaker 2: Got me on all right, John.
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  Speaker 1: Say, Hey, we definitely want to talk about some actual football,
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  Speaker 1: But there are some some off the field stuff that
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  Speaker 1: were big news this weekend that I'm just kind of
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  Speaker 1: curious on how you think it's gonna play out before
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  Speaker 1: we get to the fifth year eligibility thing. We're still
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  Speaker 1: trying to figure out how that's gonna work. The SEC
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  Speaker 1: in the Big Ten. Finally on Friday, they missed two deadlines,
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  Speaker 1: but they finally on Friday both voted and said, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: what they've changed on the Protect College Sports Act we're
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  Speaker 1: good with. Sounds like there's a chance that gets voted
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  Speaker 1: on this week. Is there is there reason to be
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  Speaker 1: optimistic that finally DC does something to help college sports
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  Speaker 1: or not? So fast?
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  Speaker 2: What do you think?
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  Speaker 3: I mean? The safest play throughout this process has been
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  Speaker 3: to be cynical because it has failed over and over again.
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  Speaker 3: So I certainly understand that perspective. Frankly, I've been cynical
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  Speaker 3: for much of what has been seven years. I think
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  Speaker 3: since they've been lobbying for some sort of bill. I
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  Speaker 3: will tell you that there are people, you know, within
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  Speaker 3: college sports, within certainly politics, that are optimistic. There is
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  Speaker 3: a tight time frame that that needs to happen, and
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  Speaker 3: that is this week before they go on you know,
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  Speaker 3: their August recess, and then that would push it to September,
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  Speaker 3: and then you got bid term elections. And the feeling
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  Speaker 3: is like, if you can't really get it done this week,
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  Speaker 3: it's going to be really challenging to do in the future.
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  Speaker 3: So that puts a bit of a time crunched on things.
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  Speaker 3: I've got to get that bill out to a vote.
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  Speaker 3: There's other things that they need to vote on. You know.
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  Speaker 3: One of the senators involved told my colleague Brandon Marcelo,
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  Speaker 3: they're hoping, you know, by Thursday, Friday, Saturday, somewhere in
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  Speaker 3: that range to get this thing voted on. We'll see
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  Speaker 3: if that plays out quite as Senator Schmid is expecting.
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  Speaker 3: But that's half the battle, and then you've got to
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  Speaker 3: eventually pass it through the House. And you know, the
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  Speaker 3: House of Representatives has had a lot of challenges trying
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  Speaker 3: to get anything passed in that area as well. Have
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  Speaker 3: not been able to have a lot of faction, So
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  Speaker 3: there's still quite a few steps to go to get
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  Speaker 3: this thing actually into action. But the SEC and Big
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  Speaker 3: Ten getting involved and approving it was certainly a very
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  Speaker 3: big step because a lot of their senators have been
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  Speaker 3: kind of holding off on supporting it until those two
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  Speaker 3: conferences came out in favor of it.
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  Speaker 2: John for the common folks, and by that, I mean
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  Speaker 2: me here simplifying what this means. What are a couple
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  Speaker 2: of notable things within this bill that we need to know?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's gonna try. It's going to make
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  Speaker 3: some important changes. I think one of the ones that
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  Speaker 3: I think people are going to probably focus on the
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  Speaker 3: most and probably has the biggest impact is it's really
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  Speaker 3: related to REV share and NIL and this would give
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  Speaker 3: these schools an ability to get up to forty eight
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  Speaker 3: million dollars right in that range through different You know,
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  Speaker 3: there's a retention kind of fund where you use that
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  Speaker 3: money to keep players rather than spending it on new
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  Speaker 3: editions from the portal. That's been something that you know,
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  Speaker 3: I've heard for years now that coaches were interested in
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  Speaker 3: and as you guys know, and in pro sports, there's
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  Speaker 3: some mechanicisms, you know with NBA and others where you
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  Speaker 3: know there's different deals where you know, if you're re
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  Speaker 3: signing a guy, you can offer them more money or
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  Speaker 3: a different kind of level of contract. Like that's kind
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  Speaker 3: of part of what is happening with that, and then
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  Speaker 3: you know, really they're trying to end the loopholes. Now
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  Speaker 3: this is arolla with the area that I'm skeptical of
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  Speaker 3: just because you know, to quote Jurassic Park, like life
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  Speaker 3: finds a way, Like I think people will find a
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  Speaker 3: way to get around rules, especially when it comes to
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  Speaker 3: college sports. But there was this initial idea the house settlement, right, guys,
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  Speaker 3: where it's supposed to be twenty point five million dollar
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  Speaker 3: cap and guess what we have forty plus million dollar
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  Speaker 3: rosters in college football. Like that was not a cap,
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  Speaker 3: wasn't even closed and so I think that has frustrated
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  Speaker 3: a lot of different athletic leaders and they'd like to
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  Speaker 3: see stricter rules and penalties around real nil and not
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  Speaker 3: just funneling it basically from the school through these different
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  Speaker 3: third parties to jack up the roster cost. So essentially
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  Speaker 3: you get to spend more money, but that's basically the
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  Speaker 3: money you have to spend, and if it's not real nil,
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  Speaker 3: there could be real punishments, at least according to theory.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for quoting Jurassic Park. Our brains can handle.
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  Speaker 2: You found our love. He was thinking, what can these
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  Speaker 2: guys handle?
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  Speaker 1: College sports insider from CBS John Talty is with us.
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  Speaker 1: All right, John, I do want to see what you
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  Speaker 1: can tell us about this fifth year the eligibility for
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  Speaker 1: the class of twenty two that the NCAA Basically, when
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  Speaker 1: they went to the five year eligibility rule, they wanted
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  Speaker 1: to kind of keep this class out. Of course, there
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  Speaker 1: have been lawyers, there've been a couple of class action suits. Well,
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  Speaker 1: then the judge in Colorado on Friday night ruled, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: everybody that's looking for that has completed their fourth year
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  Speaker 1: last year, and as that fifth year, they're going to
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  Speaker 1: be eligible. But then yesterday she issued a clarification. It
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  Speaker 1: doesn't change things like portal rules or roster limit rules
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  Speaker 1: or revenue cap rules. So is there really gonna be
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  Speaker 1: tons of people in football and basketball that this applies
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  Speaker 1: to or not?
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  Speaker 2: Really?
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  Speaker 1: What do you think?
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  Speaker 3: I think it's going to be much more limited than
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  Speaker 3: what we saw it on Friday. I mean clarification is
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  Speaker 3: pretty huge because Friday hit like a bombshell And I'm
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  Speaker 3: actually going to this personnel symposium today at Nashville where
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  Speaker 3: it's a lot of different college football gms and personnel
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  Speaker 3: people and you know, it's sex with some of them before,
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  Speaker 3: you know, getting up there in Nashville today, and I
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  Speaker 3: think a lot of them were looking forward to enjoying
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  Speaker 3: maybe a low key weekend before the symposium, and Friday
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  Speaker 3: hits them like, oh my god, like I have to
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  Speaker 3: go back to work right now because like, all right, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: this guy can we had that guy? And then I
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  Speaker 3: think the clarification the other day really I think puts
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  Speaker 3: a hamper on a lot of that. There will be
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  Speaker 3: some guys I think will apply to it, will apply
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  Speaker 3: to those rules and come back to college football college basketball,
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  Speaker 3: Like if maybe you missed really badly in the portal
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  Speaker 3: and you got some money lying around, that might be helpful,
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  Speaker 3: But if you've got a full roster, you've spent your money,
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  Speaker 3: Like there's just not a lot to go around in August,
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  Speaker 3: especially for football. So I think it'll be more of
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  Speaker 3: a targeted thing where maybe for instance, a Thomas Castalana,
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  Speaker 3: former fire State BC quarterback. He's hanging around and indicating interests,
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  Speaker 3: like see a guy that you add kind of late.
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  Speaker 3: You don't like how your fall camp QB battles shape
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  Speaker 3: it up. I could maybe see that one, but I
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  Speaker 3: don't think it's going to be the enflus that maybe
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  Speaker 3: people were worried about and we're freaking out about on
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  Speaker 3: Friday when that ruling initially hit.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's a disastrous roster shuffling time for football and basketball.
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  Speaker 2: Basketball they're getting ready for their season. Football is right here,
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  Speaker 2: So I can't imagine. Have you heard from coaches or
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  Speaker 2: anyone's in the sport that's just they can't believe, especially
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  Speaker 2: on Friday before the clarification, that they're going to have
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  Speaker 2: to go through all this roster stuff right before their season.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's I think this the feeling that
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  Speaker 3: you guess, like it just never ends right. And even
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  Speaker 3: us like talking about, you know, the federal legislation, like
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  Speaker 3: every day there's something and I can't tell you, like
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  Speaker 3: how many times I do radio shows like this and
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  Speaker 3: it's like, I know, we don't really want to talk
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  Speaker 3: about this, but we got to talk about this thing.
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  Speaker 3: And it never has to do with the sport, and
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  Speaker 3: that's just because that's what's dominated college sports over the
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  Speaker 3: last five years. And so I think everyone's ready, Like
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  Speaker 3: we thought we got to August, we're safe. Now we
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  Speaker 3: can actually focus on our actual teams and fall camp
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  Speaker 3: and all those things and basketball and maybe you're wrapping
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  Speaker 3: up the trips that you did over the summer. You're
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  Speaker 3: really getting ready for your off season workouts. And I
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  Speaker 3: think it's just, of course, one more thing we got
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  Speaker 3: to deal with. But uh, you know, we'll see how
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  Speaker 3: it plays out. Again. I don't I'm not expecting a
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  Speaker 3: massive inplux. But the other thing is that, like there'll
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  Speaker 3: probably be more lawsuits. So you just never know what's
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  Speaker 3: around the corner, because just when you think it gets quiet,
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  Speaker 3: and some other bombshell hits and we all have to,
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  Speaker 3: you know, go scrambling in again.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, with the clarification yesterday, are we expecting now those
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  Speaker 2: guys that didn't enter the portal and they can't go
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  Speaker 2: elsewhere are now going to sue for the right to
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  Speaker 2: go play wherever they want to.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like there's usually a safe bet that Darren
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  Speaker 3: Heidner will be involved somehow, right, And so I'm sure
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  Speaker 3: Darren I say it out of respect. Darren has a
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  Speaker 3: great business going. I'm sure he has something that helled
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  Speaker 3: cook up. But yeah, I mean it's so ripe for
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  Speaker 3: legal challenges, and so anytime you get sold note, you
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  Speaker 3: might as well sue and maybe you get a friendly judge,
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  Speaker 3: which Buch of these guys have gotten friendly judges. And
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  Speaker 3: so that's kind of why we're in the position we're
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  Speaker 3: in right now.
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  Speaker 1: It's wild, it's crazy, it is, and you just nailed
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  Speaker 1: it there. Like this stuff, this stuff, you know, will
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  Speaker 1: will be huge in the off season. But once the
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  Speaker 1: games start getting played, man, that's where our tension is
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  Speaker 1: going to go. And we can't wait for that. I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to ask thank you about this North Carolina situation, John,
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  Speaker 1: like it's I know, Michael Lombardi has lawyered up Tom Mars.
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  Speaker 1: There's another lawyer that's making good money off all these
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  Speaker 1: college situations. They put out a statement on Friday. Tarheel fans,
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  Speaker 1: I mean literally this was as they were starting practice.
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  Speaker 1: Tar Heel fans can't even focus on practice for a day.
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  Speaker 1: What happening to deal with this Lombardi leave situation. What's
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  Speaker 1: your feeling at what's going on at North Carolina and like,
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  Speaker 1: how much do you really think this could end, you know,
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  Speaker 1: with Bill Belichick being done after his second year.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been a mess, as you guys know really
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  Speaker 3: from the jumb I think in a lot of ways,
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  Speaker 3: and it just has not worked out how anybody was
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  Speaker 3: expecting it to. I mean, the staff that Belichick put
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  Speaker 3: together that first year was abysmal. I think a lot
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  Speaker 3: of people in college football called that even before the
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  Speaker 3: season started. I was certainly getting text messages about it
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  Speaker 3: pretty frequently of like, wait, he has this much money
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  Speaker 3: to spending, these are the guys he's hiring. So I
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  Speaker 3: don't know that anybody who was necessarily shocked that it
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  Speaker 3: didn't go maybe as well as Belichick hope, but there
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  Speaker 3: was I think some surprise at least within the sport
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  Speaker 3: of going four and eight. I haven't seen a lot
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  Speaker 3: of improvements. I mean, Bobby Petrino is super fascinating. I
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  Speaker 3: do think Bobby Petrino is a good offensive mind. I'm
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  Speaker 3: fascinating to see how he and Belichick interact with each other.
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  Speaker 3: But there's just not a lot of talent on the roster.
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  Speaker 3: I mean we saw that a year ago talking to
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  Speaker 3: some different NFL people some draft scout types, Like there's
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  Speaker 3: not a lot of talent on this year's roster, so
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  Speaker 3: it's hard to see where the big you know, jump
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  Speaker 3: is going to be. You know, there's certainly talking to
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  Speaker 3: different agents search for and people and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 3: U and C is one that I think people are
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  Speaker 3: intrigued to see what happens, Like if it goes for
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  Speaker 3: and they go four and eight again, is there a
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  Speaker 3: mutual parting of ways? Like there's definitely been rumblings and
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  Speaker 3: you know, you got a new ad in place there
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  Speaker 3: and you know, some things that are interesting. But the
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  Speaker 3: one thing that I always kind of counter at with
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  Speaker 3: it just seems like at high institutional levels, you know,
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  Speaker 3: Chancellor Roberts and other people like seem very invested into
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  Speaker 3: like the star power of Bill Belichick and having Bill Belichick,
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  Speaker 3: So some of it can be hard for trustees, Chancellor's
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  Speaker 3: others to admit that they made a mistake. So I
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  Speaker 3: can see potentially him getting more time than maybe the
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  Speaker 3: average person thinks, just if these people just don't want
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  Speaker 3: to admit their mistake. But certainly it is a job
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  Speaker 3: that people are watching as one that you know could
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  Speaker 3: potentially come open sooner than later.
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  Speaker 1: All right, you got to tell us about your book,
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  Speaker 1: Lane Being Lane. It's a biography of Lane Kiff and
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  Speaker 1: the dude who's fascinating. No matter if we're mad Adam
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  Speaker 1: can't stand them, or if you're a fan that loves them,
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  Speaker 1: he's freaking fascinating. Tell us about the book and when
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  Speaker 1: everybody when it's going to be available.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm reminded of the Pete Webber quote like love
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  Speaker 3: him or hate him, you watched And that's how I
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  Speaker 3: feel about Lane Kiff is like, no matter how you
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  Speaker 3: feel about him, you want to watch, you want to
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  Speaker 3: know about him. And so he's someone that I've long
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  Speaker 3: been fascinated by, and I just always thought like a
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  Speaker 3: real deep dive, like a true deep dive into who
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  Speaker 3: this guy is and why he does what he does,
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  Speaker 3: would be really fascinating. And honestly, it was, like I
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  Speaker 3: talked to you, I don't know. I probably one hundred
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  Speaker 3: and twenty five plus people for the book. Got a
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  Speaker 3: lot of really interesting stories anecdotes. I mean a lot
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  Speaker 3: of the things that maybe have been rumored about Lane
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  Speaker 3: Kiffin you see on social media. It's that real, or
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  Speaker 3: is it not? Try to get to the bottom of
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  Speaker 3: some of those famous ones, and I just think people
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  Speaker 3: will come away having a much greater understanding of who
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  Speaker 3: this guy is. Like. I don't know if they'll like
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  Speaker 3: him more or hate him more or what, but I
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  Speaker 3: think you'll come at the end of day. Oh now
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  Speaker 3: I kind of get why he acts the way he does,
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  Speaker 3: so I'm super excited for people to get their hands
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  Speaker 3: on it soon. It's coming out the week of Ole
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  Speaker 3: Miss lsu So September fifteenth, a few days before that
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  Speaker 3: game in Oxford. You can get Lane being Lane and
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  Speaker 3: it should be a pretty fascinating and wild week in Oxford.
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  Speaker 1: Perfect time for timing. I'm guessing that timing is not
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  Speaker 1: a coincidence.
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  Speaker 3: John Oh.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, for people that are out there, young
• 13:15
  Speaker 1: fans that are like, who is Pete Webber? Pete Webber
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  Speaker 1: islie an all time great bowler and he had the
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  Speaker 1: quote hate me or love me? You all watch? Can
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  Speaker 1: you imagine a bowler in twenty twenty six? Haven't that
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  Speaker 1: much swag?
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  Speaker 3: Like?
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  Speaker 1: He was a badass guy for a pro bowler. He
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  Speaker 1: really was all right, well played, John, well played, he is.
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  Speaker 1: John Tolty read his great college football stuff at cbssports
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  Speaker 1: dot com. And get LANEB and Lane as well. Thank you, John,
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  Speaker 1: We appreciate it.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks so much, guys time because