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Glorious Purpose! The Loki Series Finale! · May The Review Be With You

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That's great, don't pron Oh and welcome to made the review be with
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you with Nick and Joe. I'm Joe, and today we're talking about Loki
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season one, episode one, Glorious Purpose, don't wait sorry, Season two,
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episode six, Glorious Purpose. Nick. Never before have I wished that
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we had done this podcast like years ago, like when Loki season one had
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going on, because I absolutely would have just replayed the track of me doing
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that right now just to like get our Aura Boros going. Just would have
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loved that. But you know that's that's not it's not what we do.
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We don't. We can't time slip, and you know time for us is
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hindsight. Hindsight's twenty twenty. So how about that? How about that?
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Help about that? Oh? What a fantastically done episode. I don't even
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know where to begin, Okay, so like real quick notes here, So
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this is a first for Nick and I we are coming off the heels of
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this episode. I think each of us probably like about ninety minutes after having
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watched it. Is that that's all right? Yeah, so we are fresh
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fresher of them. We were for Guardians of the Galaxy three, which I
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think that was a twenty four hour turnaround A lot quicker here. And yeah,
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Nick, I'm I'm in a similar boat to you. I am.
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I'm pretty jazzed from this episode. Uh this this ended in pretty much,
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uh, the way that I hoped, Yeah, the way I hoped.
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You predicted it, Yeah, you had you called it, you absolutely called
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the ending. But it was. It was even more fantastic than I expected.
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So let's let's uh, let's let's just hit it from the beginning,
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right, So okay, okay man. We opened. We open with uh
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Loki time slipping back to the moment before the Loom, or rather the moment
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that Victor Tomley is walking down the stairs to try and save the Loom from
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from destruction. Basically, well, actually that's not true. It was it
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was to save the Loom from overloading, because not, it wasn't the Loom
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wasn't gonna just in that moment the loom Is and what breaks. It's the
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the timelines overload and rip a hole in Everything's just now I'm already confused.
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But so that's actually I feel like that's what's so amazing and beautiful about this
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episode. This episode has so much going on in it, but at the
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same time, as like wonderfully complex as it is, the actual like plot
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line of this episode is probably like one of the most simple plot lines of
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like all twelve episodes of this series. It's literally just can Loki stop the
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end of time? And like, that's that's the whole episode, right,
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Like it's him just trying every combination he can come up with. And I
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love how in the episode they he starts with like the smallest amounts of time
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that he's trying to make it at work, right Like at the very beginning,
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it's like, Okay, how quick can I explain Victor timely the direction
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because thirty seconds quicker is gonna be enough to He's trying to buy seconds,
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Like, yeah, he's buying seconds at the beginning, and then he starts
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to buy minutes, and then he's buying days, and then he's buying then
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he's buying centuries and becoming a well renowned engineer and businessists and quantum businesssts like
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unbelievable. So I want to I want to highlight that moment. There were
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a couple there were a couple of times in this episode where like I felt
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myself go oh, like more than once and that moment the centuries like yes
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later, yeah, the que card for centuries later. That was one of
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those moments for me. You know what, Some heroes sacrifice themselves for the
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greater good of the universe and they die with a snap. Other heroes study
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physics for hundreds of years to save everything. You tell me what's harder.
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I know what my answer would be. I don't want to study physics for
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hundreds of years. That sounds like hell. It's so like I mean,
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obviously there's a bunch of different things in between that happened before that, but
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it's really just the nitty gritty of it is just like, you know,
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trying to buy time to figure out how to stop the branches from overloading the
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loom and ripping a hole in time, right, that's what he's trying to
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do, and having to travel back one hundred hundreds of years just to be
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able to study enough of physics to be able to build the right device.
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Is just like an incredible plot line. And now Loki is like one of
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the smartest people in the universe, dude, Right, so when this show
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forward, he's one of the smartest movement in the universe. When with the
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conclusion of this show, which I I think we can safely assume that's it.
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There is no there's not going to be a Loki season three. It
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doesn't seem like it's an interesting point already. That's a good point too,
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Well, we'll think about it. At the end of Loki season one,
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we got that mid credit scene where someone stamps like a pile of papers and
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you get Loki will return in season two. Right, we didn't get that
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stamp no approval, no approval for season three. But I wanted to get
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back to what you were saying. Yeah, Loki being one of the smartest
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people in the MCU. I think he's also now the most powerful character in
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the MCU. There's no one like he did it. He's everything. He's
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quite literally stronger than thanals within six Infinity Stones. Oh, it's child's play.
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Now, child's play. It's unbelievable, which I imagine is going to
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boil very well for the multiversal war that is on the way. I'm so
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excited the fact that that is like solidified and it's like, hey, guess
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what, guys, Loki chose to believe Sylvie and believe in Sylvie and believe
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that free will should be what's decided. And because of that, hundreds of
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different versions of he Here Remains are coming and it's gonna get crazy. I
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think the moment now that I'm looking forward to most in the entire MCU is
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this has to happen. It'll either be in uh in the King movie with
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the Avengers, which the name of that is Escaping Me, King Kingmore King
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Dynasty, Thank you Yeah, King Dynasty Avengers or Secret Wars Avengers. There's
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definitely gonna be a moment where Thor is only reintroduced to Loki and like it's
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it's just gotta be this moment of like, uh uh, are you kidding
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me? Like what, You're never actually gonna die? Are you? Like
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it's never actually gonna happen. I cannot wait for that. Well, but
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here's the thing, because of all the timelines now just being run, they're
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like just like there's millions now right, Like they're all all over the place.
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Like that means there's also a ton of different versions of Loki, So
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like Thor might have that moment, but it might be with a different like
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four different Lokis before it's his actual brother that he knows, the Thor that
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we know, right, because like now there's gonna be there's a Thor in
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all these timeline like not maybe in everyone, but we're gonna have like it's
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gonna be ridiculous, Like we're gonna have multiple versions of these superheroes allegedly and
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it's just gonna get wild. I don't know how they're gonna keep it all
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like consisting it straight not confusing. I'm already confused. Yeah, this episode
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alone, I was amazed with how well they kept track of everything was done
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so well. Yeah, with how out of order everything is shot. It's
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so interesting, so cool. This is another for me at least, this
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is another home run for same directors that have been banging the drum on here,
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Justin Benson and Aaron moorehead checking yep. Eric Martin has written every single
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episode this season. He only wrote two episodes in season one. Would you
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like to guess which two episodes. Eric Martin was responsible for in the season
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one, the episode where they are at the end of time, that's one
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you got that? Which episode was that five? Episode six for all Time,
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Always for all Time? Always okay? And then the first one maybe
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God, how amazing was that a bit if he did glorious purpose and glorious
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purpose. God, I wish, I wish that was the case. It's
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not, but no. He he wrote episode for the Nexus event. Uh
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yeah, that is one of my favorite episodes of the whole series. Such
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a good episode and kept you and you know what, like to talk about
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that real quick. I kept waiting in this season for there to be a
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moment between him and Sylvia again where they like were like you know, like
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love like changed, like did something that wasn't supposed to happen, you know,
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And I get I don't know. I wonder what the reason was for
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them not going with that plotline again, because like, we really don't get
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much more from that. We didn't get anything about that this season, right,
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There were some moments, and there was some like I mean, I
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guess you can make a case that we did get that, but it was
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more in dialogue, right, and not actual like, you're right, it's
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such a big moment, and it felt like the I guess we get that
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when he can't kill her at the end of this episode, right when he's
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going through this, he's doing everything he can to try to save the branch,
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the branches from overloading, and he's trying to save the fail safe from
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not having to be activated, and the only way to do that is to
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kill Sylvie because she will not hold back, and she's like in every version,
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she's going to kill he. He remains it doesn't matter no matter what
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Loki says, right, and yeah, it's a constant. And I guess
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because he can't kill her, maybe that is a way of the writers and
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the to be like, this is us taking what happened in that episode in
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season one and the NEXTUS event from we're implementing that here, but in a
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different way by Loki not being able to kill her, potentially, I don't
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know, it's interesting. That was Oh my god, we we learned what
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that's called in Did you watch What If? I forgot a few, but
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I didn't watch all. Did you watch uh, did you watch the best
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episode? The Doctor Strange episode? Oh? Yeah, yeah, God,
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that episode's so good that that's called something. I can't remember exactly what it
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was, but it's it's an event that you can't change, no matter like
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how hard you try, remember. Yeah, So like, yeah, I
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feel like that's that's what that is, is Sylvie killing or at least Sylvie
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wanting to kill he who remains. Yeah, that cannot change. So sorry,
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what were you saying? No, No, that was basically that point.
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Yeah, I will. I will just add. You know, you
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were talking about like them not really exploring that this season, and you're right,
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they didn't really explore that this season too much. I think everything we
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needed to know about like their love, are there love for one another?
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You know we kind of saw in episodes six, especially like when they land
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that kiss, right, Yeah, yeah, I think the reason for it
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lingering in this season is Loki needs a reason as like a compelling character to
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not want to take the throne, right, to not want to like do
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what he has to do to take on this burden, right, And like
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he's he's good with Mobius, right, Like he loves Mobius, but he
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doesn't like love Mobius, right. He seems to really love Sylvie narcissistic love.
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But yeah, I think that's that's why it's got a linger there,
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and like him looking back before he does what he's got to do. It's
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it's appropriate that it's it's Mobius, Yeah, but it's also Sylvie. Are
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the last two characters that he sees before he journeys into mystery, Yeah,
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which those two scenes are really awesome. Let's I want to talk about earlier
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in the episode real quick, sure, because I feel like the last three
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things we're gonna talk about, or that scene with Milbeus, the scene with
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Sylvie, and then the scene with he remains, were there any gosh,
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like the moments before, right, So, like the the important parts of
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the episode, right, I think the beginning obviously when we really figure out
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what's going on, right where he's buying seconds and minutes, days and weeks,
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and then finally he gets the centuries later thing, right, Like that
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is kind of like a piece of the episode, right, Like I feel
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like once he's we established the centuries later and then we're in this longer scene
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where we're watching Victor Timeley like take slow steps out on the bridge, and
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Loki is obviously like we can tell how far along he's gotten because he's just
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standing in there, like, good job, you're doing great. Uh huh,
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you can do this. I know you can't be so brave, so
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monotone, because he's white witnessed it the hundreds of times and the little quips
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in between, like like millions, sorry, millions of times, and the
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little quips in between, like hey, Victor, don't forget, don't put
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You can't place it on the bridge because it will roll off, like all
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the little things that like he's telling you all the little things that went wrong
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over the millions of tries, because it's just like one thing after another that
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he's had to prepare for and really just phenomenal acting job right by Hittleston.
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I mean, it's such a good job, like getting that all across and
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making you believe that he's done this so many times that he's exhausted with all
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of these extra little details that he has to tell. But we're in this
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long scene, right and so like longer scene where Victor Timley's walking out and
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he gets there and he and he puts the device. I forget what the
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hell the device is called? Now, Oh my god, the through put
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multiplier multiplier. I don't that by the way, Yeah, that's how I
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did it. Actually I heard it. I heard Fly's voice put the multiply
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multiply up, uh, puts it in like presses the button, shoots it
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in and comes all the way back and and uh. And we think,
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okay, this is how it's going to be done, like literally, like
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I was like, okay, great, Like they figured it out. What
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happens next, right, And we find out pretty quickly that what happens next
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is the branches are infinite, which means it's a scaling problem, which means
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they're always going to be more branches. No matter how big, how much
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bigger you make the loom, it will always be too small for how many
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branches are coming. And this is fascinating to me because I was just reading
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a book a couple months ago called Zero, The Biography of a Dangerous Idea,
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which is literally about like black holes and how zero is an infinite number
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and you can't divide by it. And the next thing I know is Victor
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time, like it's it would be like dividing by zero, and I'm just
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like, oh, this is great. I love when like TV shows line
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up with books I'm reading. So anyway, that was a little geek moment
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for me, But I love it geek out man, Yeah, fly that
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flag, but like it's such an important it was such like a cool thing.
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You're just like, holy shit, like this is such a bigger problem
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than we were thinking. It's just like now what my point is that this
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is like another section, right, so like from here on, And but
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I'm curious, like what you have to say, Well, I wanted to
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ask you about that, so something I can't tell if it bothers me or
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not about Like, so I like the problem, right, the problem makes
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sense to me. My issue with the problem is like we have at least
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two geniuses in the room, and then there's Loki who's been studying this for
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like forever. But granted he's been learning from the two geniuses, right,
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so, like you, I think it's safe to say like he hasn't applied,
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at least at this point, has not applied his own critical thinking,
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and his intelligence on the situation is dependent on the two teachers, right,
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So I'm confused as to why that our two teachers here have not considered that
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it's infinite, Like like what do you what do we mean? Like we're
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surprised by that. I want to ask you, like, what that's did?
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What do you think that that made sense? Was there something I missed?
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Like? I think I think the reason now that i'm thinking about it,
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Like, so you're totally right. It feels like it kind of comes
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at like it's like an extra detail that it was like, well, how
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come we didn't already know that? Right? It was like, wait,
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I thought I thought we were good. I thought you guys knew this and
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Ie and I imagine the reason is the throughput multiplier is sending them different data
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than what they were getting from the loom. That's the only thing I can
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think of that would make it not feel like they should have already known,
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right. So there's some kind of because when he's looking at the data,
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he's like, wait, but the data doesn't line up. There's something,
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you know. He says like there's something wrong with the data or it's not
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lining up. And then Loki's confused, like that doesn't make any sense.
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We increase the thoroughput three times or whatever, like it should be perfect and
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it's not. And then that's when like the light bulb clicks in Victor Timley's
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head and he's like it's infinite and they're like, oh no, like,
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oh yeah, like it is infinite. We're screwed. So that would be
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the only thing I can think of is that the data reading from the throughput
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multiplier is different than what the reading is from the loom, and that's why
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they didn't know it was infinite until that moment. That's what I'm going with,
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at least if I had to give him a reason, I'll take it.
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I'll take it. I need something. They're too smart to have messed
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that up. It's like, I knew this. Why didn't you guys know
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this? Yeah, what's the So where do we go from there? Right?
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So that happens and then Loki. So from from that point, that's
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that's when Loki realizes, like when he hears Sylvie talk like this is always
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going to happen because I killed he who remains Yeah, and he returns to
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that scene at the end of time. That's right, Yeah, this is
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a oh hand on before before we move on to that, because I had
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a similar feeling. Remember what I said about like the like I kept having
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those moments. Okay, so like Victor walking out on you know, out
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to put place the throughput multiplier on the shot thing I that whole scene,
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Like, I mean, like I know he has to succeed at some point,
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or maybe I'd seen him fail so many times that like I was just
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like, oh no, what if he fails again. I was so nervous
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during that scene, Like I don't I can't even really fully explain why.
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I was just so nervous. And then like finally, like we're in this
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scene that we're about to talk about with Sylvie and he who Remains, and
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I'm getting the same like feeling of doom and anxiety of him, just like
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it's all fruitless, nothing matters, like we're screwed there, there's nothing we
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can do. And I loved that feeling. I loved that they were able
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to make that to give me that, you know, like it really did
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feel hopeless throughout this whole episode. It did, and it's so good,
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and Jonathan Age's is just phenomenal, right, Like god damn, so I'm
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so glad we got extra he here Remains scenes, Like I honestly I wasn't
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necessarily expecting that, right, like we you called it perfectly with him going
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back to the end of time, and he did go back to the end
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of time, in real time and also in the past, so like he
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went there twice technically multiple, I mean millions of times really, but my
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goodness, but it was so cool to get more here remains scenes and these
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were so well done, Like obviously there are a ton of different scenes of
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him trying to stop Sylvie and silly and him fighting and Sylvie just succeeding every
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single time. And then eventually, eventually he says something to or Loki looks
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that he remains and is just in a like what does he say to him?
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He says, why don't you just stop her? Or whatever? Like
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why do you why do you always let her? Why do you never fight
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back? Is what he says. Actually, yeah, that's it. Why
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do you never fight back? And this like makes this makes he he remains
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perk up because up until that moment he didn't know how many times Loki had
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been there himself. I don't think I know, I don't think. So
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it was it was the tip off of he says, why don't you ever
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fight back? Because Loki is tipping him off, saying like yeah, I
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know how this goes, and he remains like, ah, okay, this
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is the man. This is the man. I was waiting for right,
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waiting for him. I've been waiting for him for a long time. And
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so he freezes, he freezes, uh Sylvie right, and then and Loki's
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like like so surprised that he can even do that, and and uh he
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here remains, you know, quips at him. It's like, oh,
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you haven't figured out how to stop time yet or slow it, you know,
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slow it down enough to freeze it a little quip and and then they
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just get into this real, real convo about like what is actually happening,
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and he remains explains to him basically that like, you know, I told
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you that I would always have a way to basically be reincarnated, Like this
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is always how it's going to go. There's either the Sacred Timeline or there's
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a multiversal war. And at some point during the same scene, right like
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Loki's really actually playing him a little bit a lot of it, and I'm
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forgetting the order of things now, can you Yeah? Yeah, yeah.
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So so from that point, you know, he's you know, he remains
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is putting what appears to be all of his cards on the table and basically
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saying like, yeah, I played you, you know, I did all
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this, and then you know, he unfreezes Sylvie and he's like, yeah,
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come back to me, like when you like can be serious. And
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then Loki freezes Sylvie, reveling what makes you think this is the first time
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we've spoken, you know, like that was such a great turnaround. And
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then he who remains like puts a tally in the air for Loki. It's
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like, you got me. And I loved that because it felt like such
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a It felt like such a turnaround from where from where Loki was at the
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beginning of the season, where he was just terrified of this guy, right,
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and like finally, like after like centuries of like trying over and over
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again and failing and losing because Lokis are always destined to lose, he's finally
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able to. Yeah, he's like he's able to be on equal ground as
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this guy. Yeah, this is It's important too, because it shows that
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there is some vulnerability to he who remains in his plans, right if we're
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to if we're to believe that he actually did get got by Loki in that
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moment, right, No, I think he has to because at that point
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they're beyond the threshold of him knowing what it's about to happen. You're right,
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You're right, You're right, great point. You know what, that
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was interesting though, You know what, that was interesting, And I'm glad
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you said that because that there reminded me of a thought I had, because
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when I was watching it, I was like, Okay, yeah, this
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is happening beyond the threshold. He doesn't know what's happening. There is one
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specific scene though, that happens that does not happen before the threshold. It's
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in the elevator, yea, when our Sylvie tries to stab him and current
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Loki stops her. And if you recall, the way that scene is supposed
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to go, is Sylvia's post to swing, but he has his TemPad pre
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programmed and he ends up behind them. She swings again, and then he
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teleports out of the elevator. But that's not what happens in that scene.
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She goes to swing, Loki stops him or stops Sylvie, and he remains
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just like laughs. He's just like a really creepy laugh. Yeah, which
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was interesting because like, if he wrote that scene, that means he wrote
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two different scenes, you know what I mean? Right, act fascinating.
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Where are we? Where are we I don't know, man, it's all
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timey wyomy mumbo jumbo at this point. So, but we do need to
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talk more about their conversation right between who remains so like, essentially the main
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points are that we have two choices, and it's kill. Like here gives
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Loki a choice. He's like, you have to either kill Sylvie or it's
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multiversal war, basically telling Loki he's the one who has to sit on the
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throne and keep the Sacred Timeline going or it's multiversal war. Hundreds of variants
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of myself are coming like and like Loki is like, you know, defeat
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it because it's just a terrible choice, right, Like, well, there
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there is one point there that you're forgetting or you're there just needs a little
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laboration. Is the the loom if it if it is destroyed, there's a
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fail safe the TVA is this right right? It prunes the rest of the
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timelines and keeps the Sacred Timeline intact. So I'm so glad you bring this
27:48
up. So this, So that means that in the previous episode when we
27:55
saw the those timelines being disintegrated, right, those were actually just the branch
28:03
timelines being disintegrated, which means that there was a sacred timeline to go to
28:10
in that moment. And remember when Sylvie at the end of the last episode
28:15
or towards the end of the last episte, she's like, there's nowhere left
28:17
to go because they all think that all of time is gone, but there
28:22
was somewhere left to go. They could have gone to the Sacred timeline technically,
28:29
right, based on that, That's what I got from what he remains
28:34
with saying was that like when the loom, the failsafe of the Loom means
28:38
that the Sacred Timeline will exist. The TVA gets destroyed, but you can
28:41
rebuild that, which means like Loki could have just time slipped to the Sacred
28:49
timeline and Sylvie could have used a TemPad to go to the Sacred timeline,
28:55
but they didn't think they could or whatever. And it all means that all
29:00
those scenes weren't even on the Sacred timeline in the last episode, none of
29:04
them were, because yeah, I don't think any of them were. Yeah,
29:07
they were all branch timelines. So super fascinating, right, But that's
29:14
what that implies is that there was technically a place to go, which would
29:17
have been the sacred timeline, in which case they would have figured it out
29:19
on you know, in that way. But they were they didn't know I
29:26
guess or they right, well they did at maybe right right. They didn't
29:32
know about Yeah, they didn't know that the failsafe created kept a sacred timel
29:34
going. They had no clue, so that that's why they wouldn't know to
29:37
go to it. It's crazy. So yeah, it really becomes like an
29:42
issue at the end of him trying to save his friends, right because they're
29:48
going to be in the TVA that it's going to be destroyed or you know,
29:53
they can let they could they could let them be destroyed and infinite amount
29:59
of ranch timelines, or you could kill Sylvie and stop it all from happening.
30:07
Yeah, it's it's a what do you call that, it's it's it's
30:11
the trolley problem. Yes, yeah, it's it's the trolley problem. Yeah.
30:18
And what Loki's solution to this, and I am jumping the gun a
30:22
bit here, is to just take the train tracks away from the equation and
30:26
just take them with you. Just take the train tracks with you and walk
30:29
away, make your own path. Yeah, that's how you solve the trolley
30:33
problem that was so like fascinating, Like I think I think we can talk
30:38
about that now right where I guess we should talk about We should talk about
30:42
the you know, the scene with Mobius and Sylvia real quick, although not
30:48
too like, not too long, I guess because they're just really they were
30:55
just really nice scenes. You know, they were kind of like, yeah,
30:57
I think we can quick about it. I do want to say one
31:00
more thing about the he Remains scene. Yeah, like you said earlier,
31:07
I love Jonathan Majors in this role. I mean you and I were captivated
31:14
with for all time always last year or yeah, you know a couple years
31:17
ago when Loki came out, and it was because of this. It was
31:22
it was probably the climax of any Marvel thing that had the least amount of
31:26
action, and it was like the climax I loved the most. And it
31:30
was all because of Jonathan Majors. And like you said, it was so
31:33
great to see him back in this role, and it was neat to see
31:37
him not only do like the whole like Wizard of Oz thing like he did
31:41
in episode six of the first season, but also to kind of just shoot
31:45
the shit with Loki like like, you know, like Loki's talking about these
31:51
problems and he's like, well, it's not a problem, and like,
31:52
you know, they're going over like they're just like problem solving together, and
31:56
I just I love that. It was like, you know, they're just
31:59
kicking it back. They're like, yeah, we got time to talk about
32:00
this. Yeah. Sure. It was great. I loved that interaction.
32:06
It was so different than their first interaction. It was so it was so
32:09
good. It's so well done. I want more of that scene. Really,
32:15
like they're just trying to solve the problem, and he remains just like,
32:17
look, I have solved the problem. I've literally done that. You're
32:22
trying to solve a problem that I have already solved. You just don't like
32:24
the solution, but it's the only solution, and the other side of the
32:29
solution is multiversal war, and I can tell you that's not great. So
32:35
pick one, you know, like literally pick one Loki, and he did
32:38
pick one, and you know, yeah, unfortunately for all the people in
32:47
that you know, part of the world and universe and timelines, it's not
32:52
going to be great. But fortunately for us and all the other Marvel fans
32:57
in the world, it's gonna get crazy. Yeah, so I'm here for
33:01
it. So, yeah, the the let's do the Mobius scene first.
33:09
Yeah, yes, we go back to episode one, Glorious Purpose, Episode
33:14
one. Yeah, and and we're in the room in the interview room right
33:17
when he's first talking to Mobius. And this is the room that they showed
33:22
Loki time slipping too quickly in the previous episode. Yeah, you're right,
33:29
he was time slipping every he was time slipping everywhere that the variants of the
33:34
TVA people were except that room. We didn't know what it was because there
33:40
was that's the room he was time slipping to. So we got an answer
33:44
to it this this which we just didn't We just didn't recall. We just
33:46
didn't recognize it from last season realiant at all. I don't think we were
33:51
supposed to we you know, I guess either way it was either we recognize
33:54
it or you'll you'll remember, you know, during this episode what that room
33:59
was. But so, so that's the room. And yeah, that was
34:01
just like a wholehearted scene, you know, just like, well, we
34:06
do get a we do learn some new information in this scene. Right,
34:09
Oh yeah, we get we get a background on Mobius. Uh, and
34:15
it's not clear that he's talking about himself at first, but basically him,
34:21
you know, telling Loki about like the the problem with burden and the weight
34:25
of burden. Right, when there's a purpose, a glorious purpose that you
34:30
know, you're supposed to maintain that responsibility, right, great power, great
34:35
responsibility. Right, That's basically what he's talking about, right. Uh.
34:37
And yeah, and he hesitates looking at an eight year old boy, which
34:42
I think that was a great choice given what we know about what Mobius's variant
34:47
is, right, given that you know he has boys, right, Ah.
34:52
And the calamity that happens because you know he you know, he hesitated,
34:57
he faltered, right, He faltered for a moment, and it led
34:59
to the deaths of his comrades. Uh. And of course you know the
35:06
the badass who has to finish the job is Rens Slayer, which is a
35:10
surprise to no one, and that she's like eight year old boy, send
35:14
another, I'll do it again. Oh my gosh, please, I'm just
35:20
giving him out for free. I'll i'll all the little boys. She has
35:24
no heart. I want to, but I can't clip that for shorts.
35:29
There's no way I'm not doing it. I'm not gonna do that. I
35:34
don't know. If we ever do get monetized, well, that will get
35:37
us demonetized, demonized. Don't prune us YouTube? No, yeah, that's
35:47
great. Don't pronounce YouTube. Oh that's gonna be my intro. Awesome nice.
35:59
I will say though, when they mentioned rens Slayer I was like,
36:00
oh, shoot, Rensselayer was the thing last episode. Like I totally forgot
36:05
that She's proved in like probably at the end of time. So when they
36:07
mentioned her name, I was like, Okay, we're gonna we probably get
36:10
an answer now for what happened to her because they brought her up. But
36:15
yeah, that scene ends with Loki standing up shaking Obius's hand, and then
36:20
that timeline gets incinerated, and then he goes to Sylvie, right, he
36:27
goes to Sylvie at Orra Boris's workshop branch timeline yep, And that was such
36:36
a This scene was a little heartbreaking, right because like he explains to her
36:42
the situation and she's like, she's such an interesting case to me, Like
36:49
she has all the evidence, she knows what he's telling her is true,
36:52
and she is so adamant on the free will thing, and like she so
37:00
adamant to not see the bigger picture. But to her, the bigger picture
37:05
is free will, not multiversal war. Right, Like to her, having
37:09
the choice is the bigger picture, not not having stability. Right. It's
37:16
just like such like an incredible like pulling tug of two characters, right,
37:22
I really yeah, I really enjoy that. It's like, yeah, you're
37:27
trying to save everything, but like, what's it worth if everything is horrible?
37:34
It's it's a it's a good point to raise. I'm not necessarily saying
37:39
I agree, I do for the record, but but yeah, it's it's
37:45
a really interesting point to bring up, especially at the end of all things,
37:50
right, right, Yo, good for Sylvie for sticking to her guns.
37:53
You know, at the end of all things, you can't say that
37:55
she's a hypocrite. Well I guess she is kind of a hypocrite, but
38:00
but she's stuck to her guns. Man. Yeah, And she was like,
38:02
you want my permission, I won't. I won't. I won't give
38:06
you my permission to kill me or something or whatever. She says, blessing,
38:09
you're not You're not gonna get my blessing. Come on now, yeah,
38:14
oh yeah, go kill me. That's fine. But really like this
38:17
Sylvie making her case right there is I think what changed Loki's mind. It
38:22
made him make the decision. He was like, you know what, I
38:23
know what I have to do, and what an incredible ending. Uh.
38:31
He goes back to those moments when Victor Timeley is supposed to walk down the
38:37
stairs and walk out the bridge, and instead he walks down himself, locks
38:43
the door so no one can follow him, uses his magic to open up
38:46
the doors, and then walks out without any protection, which like we called
38:54
you and I called that. We we said, we were like, maybe
38:58
there's something about like as already in like DNA that makes them like a little
39:01
resilient to it, right, right, because like yeah, because the while
39:09
areas parts like well, he could have done that himself the first time,
39:13
you know, well I thought about that. What I was like, well,
39:15
why didn't you do it the first time? Well, it was it
39:19
was because like he didn't he didn't really know first off that he was going
39:22
to be a okay, right, and then like b like I think in
39:27
the back of Loki's mind like he's the only one who can save everything,
39:30
which is true, and if like if he's wrong, then like that's the
39:37
end of everything, right, right, and no, there's no time slipping
39:42
out of that, right. And at that moment, it was just like,
39:45
this is this is the option, and I know that this is what
39:46
I have to do and it's gonna work, basically. And that's a really
39:51
awesome scene though, because he's walking out and he's like, you know,
39:53
transforming into into Loki. When he's we get the horns back, we get
39:59
like a new while, you get king Is that what it is? King
40:01
Loki? He's got his kingly attire? Yeah, yeah, I guess it
40:06
is. Yeah, because he's sitting on a throne, right, that's yeah,
40:07
we'll call him King Loki. That's a good point. We get King
40:09
Loki, amazing new suit or whatever and new attire and and yeah, then
40:19
he just disintegrates the loom, gets rid of the failsafe, and all of
40:23
a sudden, we just get like webs of multiversal branches, just webs everywhere,
40:32
and such a weird scene, but like really really cool, and it's
40:38
just silent. Everything's quiet, and then he just starts grabbing them and he
40:43
starts sending his signal through and I guess he was doing that to try to
40:49
find the end of time, so he could go sit on his throne while
40:53
also pulling the branches away from the TVA, right, putting them in back
41:00
into the rightful place, which is chaos, which, by the way,
41:07
as he was walking out and like he takes on like a a more classic
41:12
look for Loki, and you know he's using his magic. I immediately thought
41:17
back to the Journey into Mystery episode with when he's met all his other variants,
41:24
and there's the older Loki played by Richard Grant who like tells him,
41:30
I think him and like the other Lokis, he's like when they're all talking
41:34
about like their gimmicks or whatever, he's like, nonsense. A Loki's true
41:37
power comes from his sorcery. And then of course, like he goes out
41:43
like a badass, uh, fighting Eliath and putting on like that amazing illusion,
41:50
right, and like as Eliath like overcomes him, it's him screaming out,
41:57
Uh. That's that's all I kept hearing as Loki was like slowly kind
42:00
of transforming into Richard Grant was just glory. His purpose amazing. Yeah,
42:07
I mean nothing else to say, right, Like he's he's collecting the branches
42:13
and he dramatically takes his stairwell to his throne, and yeah, he takes
42:22
the throne, sitting at the end of time, as you called, basically,
42:27
and and uh, now we're waiting. We're just waiting for the multiversal
42:32
war to begin. And then of course we get we get an after right,
42:37
it's like, okay, well, what's what's happening now? And we
42:40
get this cool visual of you know, it's no longer a loom. It's
42:45
the tree yeah, from from thor from uh Norse mythology. Yeah, yeah,
42:52
it's absolutely right, it's the tree in the trunk is low key basically
42:57
sitting at the trunk of this tree, and he is essentially sending the branches
43:01
out into the multiverse, which is really cool. But yeah, which,
43:07
yeah, for all the times we have talked about branches, it is amazing
43:12
that this is the first tree that we actually see. Uh. It was
43:16
a really neat idea. Yeah, first tree. Finally we get the branches
43:22
line up with what they're coming from now and yeah, we get the after
43:29
scenes, which, you know, the episode up until that moment was so
43:32
chaotic and loud and frightening and like all over the place. And then the
43:37
second that Loki takes the throne and we get the after, we get the
43:44
you know, the the Q card for what happens after. It's so quiet,
43:52
like it's like peace, it's peaceful, it's quiet. But what we
43:58
really know is that it's the call before the storm basically, like one storm's
44:05
gone, figured it out, but now like the big one's coming basically.
44:10
But it was like so eerie, how quiet, Like the rest of the
44:14
scenes were in the episode, it was so weird, and but yeah,
44:20
I mean most of it is business as usual. The main difference really is
44:23
the Mobius has decided to leave the TVA for a while, maybe for good,
44:28
and he wants to explore what the whole point of it all has been.
44:34
He wants to know what he's been fighting for for all those years and
44:39
and yeah, but before that, there's a moment with deep Be fifteen and
44:46
Mobius where they're talking about, you know, their mission now is to find
44:53
all the heat who remains variants? Is the TVA's main mission now? Yeah,
44:59
And there's a moment or Mobius is like, oh, there was something
45:00
on six one six, but it seems like they took care of it,
45:06
which I imagine that they're talking about quantum Mania. Yeah, that seems like
45:12
dang, I think that's who they were talking about. But did they say
45:15
a branch of six one six or did they say six one six? I'm
45:22
not sure. I'd have to go back and check. We have to watch
45:24
the episode again. I think I thought he mentioned a branch six one six,
45:30
and I was like, wait, if they're talking about Quantuminia, yeah,
45:32
does that mean it was just a it was wasn't actually our six one
45:36
six, So so hand on, I'm I'm willing to bet that he just
45:40
said six one six because I don't think I don't think we have branches anymore.
45:45
I don't think that there is like a sacred timeline anymore with what Loki
45:50
is done. Oh yeah, yeah, that's a good point. Yeah,
45:52
so yeah he said six one Maybe he said six one six A, which
45:57
would mean then that's probably the normal six one six because it's the first one.
46:01
I don't know. Maybe maybe I heard something, but regardless, either
46:05
way, I think you're right. I think it's supposed to be a reference.
46:08
And yeah, which is cool. So it was cool we got that
46:12
little thing there and and yeah, but then yeah, Mobe just wants to
46:15
go back and you know, see what the timeline is like and what he's
46:21
been fighting for. And Sylvie has no clue. She's like, I'm just
46:23
gonna do whatever. You know, she gets through, she told us right,
46:30
she she wants to try everything. Maybe you continue to work at McDonald's.
46:35
They're one cash register person short. Now she just she just just left.
46:42
She didn't even put it in two weeks. The hell, Sylvie,
46:49
you stab God and then you just walk out on your job, Like,
46:52
jeez, man, unbelievable. Yeah, totally, man. I think what
47:04
I find so interesting about the ending is the way the first season ends.
47:12
You know, there is a question about who has free will, right,
47:15
and ren s Layer at one point even says like I'm going to find free
47:19
will, right, And she's talking about he who remains, like she's trying
47:22
to find he remains because, like, as Sylvie brings up, like the
47:25
only person who has free will is the person who controls everyone else. And
47:30
the way that this season ends is like a direct argument to that. It's
47:37
like, well, it could be that no one has free will except the
47:44
person who rules it all or everyone can have free will except the person who's
47:50
holding it all together. Wow. So Loki. Loki with his glorious purpose,
47:57
he kind of loses out. He loses out on his own free will,
48:00
all right. I mean it was his choice and that's it was a
48:02
great choice. But yeah, he's kind of a prisoner. Well said,
48:08
that's brilliant. Yeah, yeah, that's Loki man. That's a great place
48:14
to end it on. In my opinion, I think, was there anything
48:16
else you wanted to talk about? Anything that that we forgot? We do
48:22
have to do grades. This is the end of a show, so we
48:23
get to we get to score it. Yes, that's true. Is there
48:29
anything else? Yeah? I thought it was funny that we went to the
48:32
void and we got to see rens Layer eat it. Yeah, that was
48:37
not necessary, but thank you. I enjoyed that. But the little relic
48:44
from I guess another the previous multiversal war sitting on the ground there, did
48:47
you see that? Yeah? Always, all time, always all white time.
48:51
Always that that had to be like a relic from a previous war battle
48:54
or something. Yeah, maybe, agreed, This is very interesting. Yeah,
49:00
sorry, there is one thing, one thing that I thought we were
49:02
going to answer and we never really did so. In episode one, season
49:08
two, or Boros, when Loki The first scene of that episode is Loki
49:15
running away from the TVA. But if you recall at the end of episode
49:21
six of season one, in the finale, when he ends up in that
49:23
era, they're talking about all the different branch timelines that are just coming out
49:30
of the woodwork, right, and we're led to believe that that's the current
49:37
timeline. We don't know at the time yet that that's the past. Right
49:39
later in the second season, we learned that's the past, and I thought,
49:44
okay, we're gonna learn what that is, Like what was going on
49:47
there? Like why was the branch timeline thing happening back then? And he
49:53
erased everybody's memories. Was that the multiversal war and was the TVA part of
49:58
that? I don't know, Well, yeah that No, you're absolutely right
50:05
though, that was what it was. Because at the beginning of episode five
50:10
of this season, when ren Slayer and He Who Remains are talking at the
50:16
end of time, they showed us that flashback scene of them talking and he
50:23
remained saying that she did a great job with you know, helping during this
50:30
war, and you know, she was a big part of the victory,
50:36
and that she needed to go back to the TVA. Now he was going
50:37
to be right behind her and then that's when he wiped her memory. That
50:40
must have been what it was. That makes a lot of sense, right
50:45
that that was the multiversal War. I think so that makes sense. That's
50:50
crazy, very cool. We get more, we'll get more. Or as
50:54
a yeah, he who remains would say, see you soon, see you
51:00
soon. All right, let's do great for the series? Yeah, what
51:04
is it? I always forget you guys. You always have to So five
51:08
movies, we do five series, we do ten. It's been a while
51:12
since we've done this. We have not graded something in a while because of
51:15
anyway. Well, the last time was Secret Invasion, and my what a
51:20
stark contrast this is. Oh wait did we great? Ahs? Soca?
51:24
Oh we did great? Ah Soca. Oh yeah, you're right, you're
51:28
absolutely right. Yeah. Oh that was a good show. That was a
51:30
good show. Yeah. Unfortunately you remembered a bad show. I did.
51:37
I didn't remember a bad show, you know what. It just left a
51:39
sour taste in my mouth that I haven't been able to get out. Yeah
51:43
it's okay, Secret Invasion. I'll go first. I really loved Loki.
51:50
I think Loki it was my number two favorite show of all the MCU shows.
51:57
It is now definitely number one at number two. Originally it was WandaVision,
52:04
but WandaVision. For as great as it is and as creative as it
52:07
is for me, it just doesn't kind of stick the ending. I think
52:09
the climax is a little lost with it being a Dragon ball Z fight at
52:14
the end. Loki is not that Loki. Loki nails the ending, I
52:17
think. I think there are some hiccups, especially with the second episode of
52:22
season six, which definitely still feels like something's missing there. But overall,
52:29
this is a great show. I'm simping and maybe I'm just so excited from
52:32
like what I've just watched, but I'm giving it a nine. Dude,
52:35
Like I love this, Yeah, yeah, I'm I wanted to go a
52:40
little higher. This is the best TV show that they've done, and this
52:46
is the this is the best season of a TV show that they have done.
52:51
It's better than season one of Loki. It's the best season they've done
52:55
of any TV show and the MCU to no arguments, there's like, if
53:02
anyone wants to argue me on that, argue against me on that, please,
53:07
you better come with some evidence. I'm gonna go with a nine point
53:12
two. It's nine point two out of ten. It's fantastic. It's sad
53:21
how it ended, because I think you're correct about there not being a Loki
53:24
season three at the moment. At the moment, this is setting up this
53:30
multiversal war situation. We're gonna get a ton of new variants of King and
53:35
He Who Remains and all that. We're gonna see a bunch of different Lokis,
53:39
I imagine, So we're still gonna get some Hittleston. We're gonna see
53:43
this version of Loki again. I don't know when, but there's no way
53:49
that he just sits there the whole time, especially if it's going against him
53:55
and his friends towards the end. Right, Like, we're gonna get this
53:59
multiversal war, and if the King, if He who Remains variants are winning,
54:02
I imagine he comes to save the day. Maybe I don't know,
54:07
but it's a nine point two. It's a fantastic show. And yeah,
54:14
now we get to go watch the Marvels over the next week and do that
54:16
at some point. Indeed, before we close this, I do want to
54:22
share I just remembered it. What was absolutely my favorite line of this whole
54:27
episode. And there was a lot of great dialogue in this episode, but
54:30
the line that just got a great chuckle out of me. He who remains
54:37
talking about like his contingency plans to always survive and like, you know the
54:42
fact that Loki has seen him die a bunch of times. He just rattles
54:45
out, Oh yeah, you know, rip hw r. It's so stupid.
55:01
But I loved it. I loved it so much. It even took
55:07
me a second. I was like, Oh, I didn't get it till
55:12
just now. It's that's great. That's so good man, fantastic, what
55:17
a show. Well done, Marvel, good job. Hopefully hopefully it gets
55:22
some of the media off their back. Seriously, I you know, we
55:30
can talk more about this later. The Marvels is coming in a bit mixed.
55:35
I'm very interested to review that with you. Yeah, and I guess
55:37
that I guess that will be the next thing that we talk about on the
55:40
show. Yeah, we got to try to do that within the week.
55:44
It's gonna be tough next week, super busy. We got it. We
55:46
got to figure it out. Yeah, we'll figure it out. Yeah,
55:49
any any other closing remark Sir, glorious purpose, glorious purpose, and as
55:55
always made the review. Be with you, peace,