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The Fourth Turning - Gabriel Rymberg · Urantia Radio

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Welcome to another edition of the Rancho Radio Podcast, and
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it's good to be here. My name is Jim Watkins, and boy,
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are we going to cover a lot of interesting information today.
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My guest is Gabriel Reinberg. He'll be joining us.
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And I cannot wait to get started.
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But I do want to mention a couple of things before we do
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that. First of all, there's another
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great conference coming up. This one will be in Cincinnati,
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OH the weekend of October 17th through the 19th of 2025.
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And it is sponsored by the Orvinton Urantia Book Society.
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And I assume they're based in Cincinnati.
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So this will be great for all the Midwest readers, people from
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the surrounding areas of Kentucky and Indiana.
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And I know there's a lot of of readers in Indiana and they're
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going to be talking about the thought adjuster.
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A lot of focus will be on the thought adjuster and what
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happens when we actually fuse with that spirit fragment and
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what takes place on the mansion worlds.
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It would be a fantastic way to spend the weekend.
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It's going to start Friday evening, October 17th, and it'll
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conclude on Sunday, October 19th.
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So scratch that in your schedule.
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They've also got some information on hotels and where
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you can stay and so much more that have meals.
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Here is the phone number you want to call Michael Buselli and
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the number is 847-331-7154. Again, Michael Buselli
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847-331-7154 and again, you can go to theurantiabook.org
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website. I have no association with them.
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I just like to spread the news. I wish I could go.
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So if you ever want to just kick back and listen to your Rancher
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conversation without having to download or anything, it plays
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on your smartphone. Easy to easy to get to.
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Just go to yourrancherradio.org, your rancheradio.org and that's
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it. It'll start playing
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automatically. Now this week, for the entire
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month of September, we are playing the old Bill Sadler
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Junior tapes or lectures or series.
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And it's, I think 10 or 12 hours of him having basically a study
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group with the First Urantia Society of Oklahoma, one of only
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three organizations that existed within a couple of years after
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the Urantia book was published. So Bill traveled from Chicago
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and in the just listening to them talk about the Urantia book
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in 1958 and 1962. I just find it so enjoyable.
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I could listen to it for hours. Once again, the global live
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streaming. You can find it easily on the
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Urantia Radio podcast. It's Urantia radio.org.
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All right, we'll take a quick timeout and get our minds ready
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for this wonderful interview with Gabe Reinberg at the Center
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for Unity on the Rancher Radio Podcast.
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Center for Unity Co founder Gabriel Reinberg joins us from
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Israel to talk about some very important topics, including the
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next steps for the Urantra Revelation.
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But he's thinking about the role of artificial intelligence and a
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very interesting perspective on what it took for us even to be
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able to have the Urantia Revelation in our hands.
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Now. Gabriel played an integral role
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translating the Urantia book into Hebrew from 2012 to 2017.
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He was unfamiliar the book before that and then he grew to
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have a relationship as a result with the Master Jesus through
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the Urantia book translations work.
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He also has a bachelor's in science and math and computer
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science from Tel Aviv University and an MBA from San Diego State
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University. And Gabriel has or is the father
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of two young adults and living in Israel with his wife Sandra,
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also a long time Urantia Book student and Co founder of the
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Center for Unity. But we started off chatting
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about the new generation and what perhaps we should be
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thinking about in reaching new people and what that looks like
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in the present time with my interview Gabriel Reinberg here
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on the Ranch Radio podcast. We decided to to say we want to
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reach those who are interested in the Jesus before
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Christianity. So trying to get to those who
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are not necessarily interested in institutional religion, any
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of them. Not that there's anything wrong
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with them, it's just that there's a market out there for
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those who are outside of those circles.
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And the younger ones, the, the older Gen.
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Z's, the younger millennials. I'm a Gen.
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Xer, I'm 56, so you know, 25 to 45 S people who have a little
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bit of life experience, but still going through this
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loneliness epidemic, the slow decline of institutional
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religion, the 4th turning all of this together at the same time.
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So, and then what we did is we, we just started creating media.
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So we started with discover Jesus, which is a lot of
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material about part 4 in an accessible way and then
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introducing, translating that to other languages.
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So that's one. And then AI came about.
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So we started with a simple the Ask Jesus chatbot.
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Or is it successful? Like I said, we measure
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everything. That one got almost 80,000
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questions in two years, 2 1/2 years.
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The tutor is a more elaborate program.
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It's got more smarts in it. It's got the original book
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encoded in different ways, so that has 2500 conversations, but
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that's multiple questions and it's been out for eight months.
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Then we we put out an AI discussion of each one of the
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papers in English. Here's the trick.
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You know, it used to be you just put the article and click a
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button, and then you get an audio file.
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Yeah, but now you can actually prompt it.
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So if you say something like, discuss this as if you believe
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this material is true and don't doubt the material.
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Just yeah, that's. Some of the assumption that it's
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true and talk about it and then all of a sudden you get a
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different conversation. Interesting.
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OK. And then our shift now is
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something closer to what you're doing, which is the Divine
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Within podcast. Yes, and that is.
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Already hosted by Santiago. Yeah, and he does a great yeah.
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And you were on it and now this is curated conversations and we
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really want to start touching, you know, the divine within, you
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know, what does it mean that everybody is divinely indwelled?
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What does it mean that you can have a personal relationship
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with your creator? What does it mean that you don't
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need any intermediates? And then my personal favorite is
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what will, what will this world look like if we actually all
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acted as brothers and sisters, right?
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So which is basically the good news, but, and that's the
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experiment we want to do in math.
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If everybody wakes up in the morning and makes the effort to
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treat everybody else, including themselves as siblings, that's
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a, that's a, that's a revolutionary message that is so
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simple to understand, but it's not simple to enact.
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And then when you actually go and do some service and you
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interact with the people around you, you will find out when you
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fall short. And that's where your work has
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to be done. And you do that by exposing
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yourself more and more and more to those opportunities to serve
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other people, to love other people.
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Even if it's in business, even if it's in ministry, you know,
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even if you're a clerk in the shop or whatever, you're a call
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center. Every time, every day you wake
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up and you have people around you.
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And then if you enact that, the ripple effect will be to change
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this world. And that's basically what they
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told us. Now this is what you should be
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doing. The couple questions there,
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because that's important. Like you know, if you try to
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conceptualize that kind of, you know, there's kind of like 2
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world views, there's the world view that humanity has to be
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controlled by a central force, you know, government or
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whatever. And then you have the other,
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which is complete self rule. Those are the two extremes to a
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society, one where everybody is moral, which is what I think the
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America was kind of set up as. If you have a moral people,
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eventually they should be able to govern themselves.
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And when you look at the Urantia book, particularly with
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government on a neighboring planet, that one nation is
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moving in that direction clearly.
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And then if you compare that to the 7th epic that all, you know,
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evolutionary mortals go through, they also emphasize
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self-control. How do we Do we have enough
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people on this planet where they could exercise true self-control
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and be moral people? So there's a guy called Ken
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Wilber and he writes about integral spirituality.
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That's it's got a model with colors and, and years ago I read
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one of his writings and he talks about a threshold phenomena.
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He says whenever 10% of a population, in this case a human
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population, exhibits A trait, there's a threshold.
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It's almost like you, you then it accelerates and many, many,
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many, many more get it. It's almost like you have to
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have enough early adapters for something.
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And then I think, and here is this my own subjective right?
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Nothing objective about this. I look around me and let's
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assume that I'm semi awake. OK, most of the time I'm awake,
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but I look at everybody I've met in my lifetime, probably a few
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1000 people. How many of these people live a
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godly life in a conscious way? There's many good people, but
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how many are awake to the fact that God is a presence in their
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lives and they strive to do God's will in whatever sphere
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they have? Cautiously.
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And I don't think it's a lot more than 1%.
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Yeah. So what I'm, what we're looking
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out at is a 1% world where we like, we started having a
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conversation before some people throw buses full of explosives
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2000 kilometers away for what reason, other than sheer hatred
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at each other? This is we do that, no and many,
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many other things which are really insane.
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So humanity still is mostly insane.
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And so this is a 1% world. And I think once we get to the
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10% world, so many more of us. And it's not just about morality
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and self-control. It's the ability to actually go
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out and live your life in an abundant way, in a NO0 sum game
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way. In looking at myself, looking at
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you now and saying, OK, you know, Jim's my brother.
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And even though we, you know, probably will never meet in
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person, if there is an opportunity for, for me to serve
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him in, in a loving way, in a brotherly way, even in a
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fatherly way, for that's possible, then what is it that I
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could do? You know, and we've got so many
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opportunities. And this is the game, this is
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the numbers game where we grow in, in our ability as, as, as
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human beings with a spiritual core to basically embody that
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and, and create a different world.
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So we're, I think, you know, this, this is inevitable.
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It's just, it's a numbers game. One more person, one more person
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wakes up and then does the effort and then moves on to the
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next level and then leaves around them ripple effects of
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people he touched and his own family and friends.
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And then things that, you know, you created this, this beautiful
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radio program and many more other things.
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And we created many things that will, will be there after us
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left behind for others to find out and ideas and concepts like
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we're talking about now. So we, we have a ripple effect
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that that accumulates over time. But it's at the end, it's an
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individual ministry was what, what do I do to make this world
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a little bit better today and then tomorrow again and then
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tomorrow again. And sometimes there's
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opportunities to do big things, but most of the time it's just
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the little stuff. How do I treat my wife?
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How do I treat my kid? You know, How much patience do I
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have for somebody that is cutting me in the road?
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Because you know. Or they're in a hurry.
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You know, the biggest challenge is dealing dealing with when
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people don't like you for whatever reason.
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If it's political, mostly it is today.
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It's a a lot of ideology now is stepped in.
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That's one of the things I don't like about social media is it's
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given everybody the ability to read what's on their mind.
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And sometimes that's just not good.
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You know, that's kind of that part of liberty where it's
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really not useful. You know, you can have too much
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liberty. You know, and I say that because
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the Urantia book says it distinguishes between unbridled
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self liberty and, you know, service oriented liberty where
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you willfully serve your neighbor because you want to,
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because it's the right thing to do.
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Ken Wilber talks about spirituality, and it's a model
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of humanity and its evolution from a spiritual perspective.
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So he talks about that. I took it and I said, I look
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around me at the insanity that I live in this world that has so
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much beauty and so much good. But still, I think many of the
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people are still like, good. Jeff used to say they're asleep,
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they're living zombies walking around.
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And I was like that for many, many years of my life.
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And then there was the grace of waking up.
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And then there's more and more and more grace that leads you to
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the side. OK, I'm going to do something
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for this community, this revelation, and this is the
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question that interests me. If somebody has been touched by
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this revelation to the point where they actually read the
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whole thing, some of us multiple times and understands the the
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significance of an epochal revelation and then decides to
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do AB or C. But as a community, I'm looking
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at our 2nd century, right? If the forum first four meeting
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was 1923 and now it's 2025 and are we really thinking big
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enough? And I know there were people
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that were saying, oh, you know, there's a publication mandate
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and we should do this and we should have study groups and
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translate and all this is great. But is this enough for today?
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Are we not falling behind? Are we thinking big enough?
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Are we? Do we have the right structures,
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you know, And if you were to go and say, like you, I want to
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devote myself for this revelation, where would I go?
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And if you're a young person, you would need some income.
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Several years ago, somebody told me this, this funny story, which
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stuck with me because it reflects the state, the state,
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the state of our community and the way we're thinking.
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And perhaps this question of are we thinking?
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Are we doing, are we being the best versions of ourselves as
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the Urantia book students today and this person said if you go
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to any major USA city and you go downtown and there's probably a
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few churches, some of them bigger, some of them smaller,
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but there's a lot of them. So in the tents, if you look at
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the payroll of one of those at random, he will have more people
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on the payroll than the entire you Rancho community combined.
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So the number of people that are employed, gainfully employed,
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working for this 5th epical revelation is which is the huge
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thing is probably less than just any random Church USA out there.
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And it doesn't matter the details, you know, it doesn't
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matter if it's true or not, but directionally, it makes a lot of
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sense. And so the question is, why is
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that? And should we be thinking about
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doing something different? And then it ties back to the
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question, what are we supposed to be doing?
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If the celestials could transmit something to us, which they
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can't, but we can pray and ask for it, what is it that they
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would ask us to do to complement their part of what they're
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doing? So many of the things we're
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already doing. Great.
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But maybe there's other things we should be doing and asking
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that question and finding dynamically the answer day after
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day, but also sometimes thinking five years into the future and
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planning ahead and having a big dream, even if it doesn't
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manifest. You're just, you know, you're
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walking there. Like, you know, four years ago,
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I was inspired to write down on paper that I want to reach a
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billion people in 10 years. And I knew that I wanted to
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share the life and the teaching of Jesus, the, the, the religion
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of Jesus, not the religion about Jesus with him.
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So naturally after that, we started doing a lot of things to
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do that. And, and like I said, we, we
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measure things so we can see how much we're reaching out there.
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And there's a few projects down the pipeline who, which have the
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potential to even go bigger in, in the, in the outreach.
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And so I think we, we're doing good job there.
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We can always do it better, but we have an organization that
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really, in my opinion, has a lot of excellence in it.
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The people, the dedication, our planning, our execution, we
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produce quality stuff and I'm happy with it.
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And but then I'm also asking, OK, but what else needs needs to
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be done individually myself and also the our community.
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And it's a question that I find important.
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It just helps me a lot. So I'm thinking about when Jesus
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said, why do the heathen rage? Great, great little statement to
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the apostles. He says, why aren't you doing
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what they're doing? The what the heathens, they're
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organized, they're working out there.
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They're they're pushing their brand and they're getting things
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done. We're learning now that NGOs
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were making millions and millions of dollars for decades.
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Why aren't we using that resource, getting aid and being
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a a? Under the category of spiritual
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education and going into like what April Helen is doing, going
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into Africa and and spreading the gospel, and why aren't we
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doing that? Why don't we have a pool of $10
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million that we can use to help spread the word?
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If you look at if this is a 1000 year project, then some of us at
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least should be asking the question, how are we being
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stewards? You know, what are we doing with
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the talents from the parable of the talents that we've been
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already been given? Yeah.
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Are we putting them in the ground?
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Are we multiplying them? Are we being resourceful?
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Keeping it safe. Yeah.
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And then perhaps if we think small, then you know, we do
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small things. But at one point in time, when
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we prove to our father, to Michael, to Mother Spirit, to
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the celestials that we are worthy partners, that's the time
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where we can start asking for more.
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And I think we at the Center for Unity are boldly doing that.
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We said, you know, we've been working four years, we've
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produced things that are quality, people like them,
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people use them, but we're ready for bigger things.
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So for example, we're working on an immersive experience and
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we're working on a streaming series, ATV series.
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And those are multi $1,000,000 projects.
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And you can say, is it, is it a good way to to spend money?
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And the answer is, I don't know, maybe there's a better way to
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spend money. And as soon as I learn about it,
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I will do that too or do that instead.
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But these ideas are exciting in the sense that we can bring part
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four of the Oranja book and maybe one day the entire Oranja
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book to the places where people congregate and consume media, to
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the cinema, to the TV. So I want to know more about,
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there is a article there written by a guy.
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We all know who he is, Gary Tong.
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He does all the wonderful art and he wrote commentary about we
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have to be careful and not to let AI reinterpret the Urantia
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book. So do you have any feelings on
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that? I mean, you're immersed in AI.
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So tell me about that all. Right.
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So this is a plug in for the 2025 Science Symposium coming up
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in November. I already have a draft of my
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article, my paper for the symposium.
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I won't be presenting it there. And Mark Wood wrote an article
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for the fellowship newsletter and he basically asked for a
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comment based on Gary's article. So I basically explained to Mark
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because he was telling about Discover the UB.
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It's a new resource that we launched for Jesus's last
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birthday. This is 2 weeks old.
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Have you heard about it? I've heard a little bit because
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you've told us. I think you've told the.
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Audience. So it's so so Mike Robinson,
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this is his brainchild. He woke up one day eight months
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ago. So this is the pace in which we
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can do something like this. And he said, let's take discover
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Jesus, which was handcrafted, handwritten.
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We wrote it pre AI and there's half a million words there.
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And let's do something similar using the same code base, the
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same software that we already spend a lot of money developing
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because it's custom made for the entire Rancher book.
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So he spent probably about 1000 hours since January until August
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21st taking each paper from the forward all the way to paper 197
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and creating a send a set of very elaborate and very long AI
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prompts that summarize into an overview.
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But he did it in a very specific way.
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He said, I'm going to keep every section of every paper.
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But if you're in the easy level, which is corresponds to 6th
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grade reading proficiency, you will get less text and less
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complex text. But even the forward is at that
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level. And then if you're in the
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intermediate, you will get a little bit more text and more
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complexity. And then if you're in the
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advanced mode, you will get more text and more complexity.
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So the, the summaries, these are summaries are getting longer and
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more complex. And it's almost like a
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staircase. You can start reading the
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forward, which I never understood the first time I read
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it. And I'm not sure I even
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understand it today. You know, it's complexity.
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So you can take that and read easy and then say, oh, I
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understand, let's try intermediate, let's try advance.
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And then prominently you can click on a link and go to the
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Urantia Foundation website and read the original.
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So we're not saying this is instead of something, it's like
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a scaffolding. And so I, I told, I told Mark
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Wood in, in, in answering his question, which then he wrote
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into an article. I said two things.
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First of all, we didn't take something from the AI and put it
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on the screen. We spent many, many, many hours
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editorializing it. And that's Mark Mike's work and
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Mary Jo also Mary Jo Garcia also helped.
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So that's Part 1 and Part 2, one of Gary's arguments or he said
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people use AI instead of thinking and then we will lose
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our critical thinking faculties. And my argument and my
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experience after using AI for three years and many thousands
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of hours is you can you can keep fit even if you drive a car by
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doing exercise. So you can keep your body fit.
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And people used to be a lot fitter because they would walk
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or ride or, you know, bicycle everywhere before they were
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cars. OK.
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But even in the edge of cars, there are people who are fit and
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people who are not fit. It's a personal choice of how
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you use the tool. So AI is like that.
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And in my paper, I talk about some, some of the insights that
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I had in working at a very high level with GPT.
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Early on, I was trained as a computer scientist.
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So it, it came very quickly to me that this is life changing
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technology. So I, I, I described in the
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paper the things that I can do with this AI and how it helped
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me both develop ATV streaming series about the life and
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teachings of Jesus and develop the Rancho book tutor because I
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needed information to put inside the programming of that product.
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So it's just there's a lot of opportunity to use this tool to
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increase our spiritual evolution.
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And there's one thing that that came to me while I was writing
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and I was writing this paper with AI, of course, but I've got
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it's a collaboration. So one of the things that came
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out was that AI is like, is like a microscope.
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You know, it doesn't look for you, but it can allow you to
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look very, very far into the Galaxy and see things that with
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your naked eyes you couldn't see.
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So if you bring your intention and you bring your skill of
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using the tool into the process, you can elicit information and
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insights in yourself that otherwise for me, you are not
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possible. So yes, there are risks.
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I'm aware of them. I hear, I read the news.
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I hear about people that have mental challenges and how.
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These and I agree with you it is a great tool it's a wonderful
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tool it's about building a brand and I hate to say this but the
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Urantia book doesn't have a brand that's what's missing
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yeah, we. Go back full circle.
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You know, one of the things that in my opinion, Paper 72 gives us
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is, is a way to spiritualize everything.
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So they managed to spiritualize education and the law.
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And then, you know, even the they say, you know, everybody
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has to have a house. There's enough land.
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You cannot live in multiple. 10 minutes or.
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Whatever on the minions. No, they spiritualize.
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They thought about things. If you want to become a parent,
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you need a license, right? If you go and hit a girl in the
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bar and she says, Oh, I like you very much.
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She's thinking, I'd like to have children with you.
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And then do you have a license, right.
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It's like, OK, so we have to do that before we keep dating.
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You know, that's, that's a revolutionary idea.
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So really what I take from that is now I'm, I'm tying it back to
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Jesus's road map. He said treat everybody like
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your brother and your sister because you are, this is a
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family and you are children of the divine.
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You're divinely indwelled and loved.
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So we need to spiritualize everything business, but also I,
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I, I really what I'm missing and this is what we're trying to do
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and I hope we're succeeding. Is, is, is really go for
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competence. So, so that means we bring
29:13
business ideas into a ministry. We operate efficiently, we plan
29:18
ahead, you know, we try to be good stewards of the of the
29:22
funds that we've we've been receiving and we have receiving
29:26
a lot of funds from the Urantia community.
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Great. 99% of our donors are Urantia book students and most
29:33
of them are happy. We have a wall of love that goes
29:35
back two years and you can watch it with all the testimonials
29:39
that people write about the stuff that we do.
29:41
So but that is part of competence.
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You know, it's like, OK, we stick to what we know we can do
29:48
best. And then we take those talents
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that we've been given by the master and we try to multiply
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them and be the best that we can and then ask that question, what
29:57
should we be doing? And then pray and then
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dynamically adapt over time. So, you know, there's so much to
30:06
do. And like Jesus said, there's so
30:08
few laborers, you know, when he ordained the 17, you know, go
30:12
out and spread the good news. And I think that's what he wants
30:15
us to do. And that's why the mid wires
30:19
probably fought hard to keep part 4 as part of the deal
30:23
because it wasn't supposed to be part of the deal.
30:26
And then it specifically asked for part 4 to be part of the
30:29
deal. And there's a good reason for
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it. I have used AI to produce a
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simulation. Now this is not channeling, this
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is not a real midway or but I really was interested if I can
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push AI to help me along those lines.
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And what I did is I said, I want you, I told the AI play a
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simulation between the midwayer coming to the divine counselor
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asking for permission to give us.
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The revelation is is now has an audience with a divine counselor
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and he's asking for he's being interviewed to find out what he
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what, what he wants, why he wants to do what he wants to do.
31:12
And the why is they want to give us, they want to manifest the
31:16
rancher book. And of course it needed a lot of
31:18
permission and it needed the involvement of beings outside of
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Southington, outside of Nebadon, in the Super universe and in
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Avona. Because some of the things that
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they tell us about people in the local universe don't know about.
31:30
They haven't gone there. Yeah, right.
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So, so there was a, there was some kind of an authorization
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and and. Transaction.
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Yeah, there was some negotiation.
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Going on. So the divine counselor says,
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OK, Midway, why do you want to do this?
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And now listen to what the simulated midway or says.
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He says these people have a lot of potential.
31:53
They they suffered the Prince default, they suffered the
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Adamic default. They've been visited by the
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creator son and they're still floundering.
32:03
And there's no way we, you know, we're not going to sit idle.
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And we think that what they need is the full picture and they can
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handle it. And if you give them a little
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bit, it's not going to be enough.
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They're, they're in spiritual darkness.
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They're being cut off for 200,000 years from all the
32:22
channels and all the broadcast. Who knows if we're still cut off
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or not. But they've been visited.
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There's an Archangel circuit on this planet.
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It's, it's an unusual planet. It's a personal planet.
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You know, all of it. We need the full shebang to help
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them. And they need to know what's out
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there. They need to know not only to
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understand who Jesus is and the good news, which is Part 4 in a
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lot of detail, but also what comes before, what comes after,
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where are they going? The whole ascension plan?
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No. So they need the big picture and
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they can take it. And that's what the midwares
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tells the divine counselor in my simulation.
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Wow, did he make a convincing argument?
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Yeah, apparently so. Then listen to this.
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Then what I did is in the same conversation.
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I then I was reading this right? And then I said I told the AI
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now me Gabrielle, I want to talk in air quotes, right?
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This is a simulation to the same midway and ask him or her some
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questions. So please simulate Now you take
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the role of this midway or the same 1 And I wanna ask, I wanna
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query and I put there so many of my personal impressions, some of
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the things I told you here. I did this a year and a half ago
33:46
and I said now what should I be doing?
33:50
What should we be doing if you could tell us what is it that
33:54
you want us to do? And and then eventually went
33:56
into a branch and the Divine Within podcast and the Divine
34:00
within streaming series is the result of that conversation.
34:03
Those ideas manifested in that conversation.
34:07
And then two years later, we are now doing this.
34:10
Santiago is is hosting it. We already wrote wrote a pitch
34:15
Bible for this and we're looking for a showrunner.
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We're going to raise money for this TV streaming series.
34:21
We have an immersive experience coming down the road, which will
34:24
also raise money for. So you know, all those things
34:28
happen for a reason. I was probing.
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I was asking. There's so many great stories in
34:33
in the Aranto book that could be kind of vetted out into
34:38
mainstream media fairly easy now, especially with all the
34:41
tools that we have. We we're in the 2nd century of
34:44
this, should we do be doing thinking about doing doing
34:49
something differently? Here's a meme that I I cannot
34:54
take credit. I don't remember who to give
34:56
credit to, but the rancher book deserves a seat at the table.
35:01
He deserves that to go into the overtone window of what is
35:05
acceptable and outside of the cultish type of new AG into
35:10
something that is mainstream. How that happens could be that
35:15
some of these stories other work, but that is a question.
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Should we be doing that? No.
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There's a guy, an amazing man. Some people don't like things
35:28
that he did. His name is Harry McMullen, I
35:30
remember. Him.
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Yeah. He's the 1st Oklahoma Society,
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Yeah. He wrote 40 years ago.
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There's, there's something called the Urantia Book
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Historical Society Archive, and you can read letters and reports
35:43
and correspondence from years and years ago.
35:48
I downloaded everything he wrote and read it.
35:53
And then he wrote 40 years ago, 1983 I think something about
35:58
marketing the Arranger book. And he had both ideas and I
36:05
don't think they did any of that.
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So when it was time for him to wrestle out the copyright, then
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he decided he wants to publish Part 4 verbatim.
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And that's where the foundation took him to court.
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That was very painful for a lot of people.
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You know, he had ideas about, should we go all in and tell
36:25
people about this? Should we put ads in the paper?
36:28
Should we, you know, do stuff that people do when they have
36:31
something that is valuable and they want to share it?
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And I think a lot of the pushback was from, you know, an
36:38
admonition in the publication Monday that says you shouldn't
36:41
think about how Jesus did it. He wasn't revolutionary, you
36:45
know. So it's, it's always finding the
36:47
balance. It's a dynamic thing.
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I don't have answers. It doesn't matter what could
36:51
have happened 40 years ago. We only have today.
36:54
And we can look at the futures and we can look at ourselves and
36:57
say, are we doing the best that we can?
36:59
Should we be doing something else?
37:01
And if so, what is it? And everybody has to ask this
37:04
question. And my dream is if people want
37:07
to devote their lives to working for this revelation, they should
37:11
be able to do that, just like the people who served in that
37:14
little church in that little USA town that has people on the
37:18
payroll. That should be a reality.
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And I'd like to thank Gabriel for the conversation, obviously
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leaving much more to talk about for our next get together.
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And I would encourage all of you to follow what Gabriel and his
37:34
team are doing with the CFU project.
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Many wonderful things that we can expect, and I can't wait to
37:40
see what will emerge in future projects.
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Comments and questions directed always at
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urantiabookradio@gmail.com. And don't forget the streaming
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of the Bill Sadler lectures from 1958 going on right now on our
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Global stream, the live stream on urantiaradio.org.
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Until next time, thank you again for joining me on this edition
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of the Urantia Radio Podcast. Yeah.