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10-06-26 Hour 3 - It all comes back to the run game/Adam Schefter/Reacting to Schefter's injury update · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 1: This is Mosher Lombardi and Kane On Demand. Listen live
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  Speaker 2: All right, Adam Schefter is going to join us in
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  Speaker 2: 20 minutes.
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  Speaker 3: Reminder to you guys.
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  Speaker 2: Ten bucks usually doesn't get you much anymore, but on
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  Speaker 2: Tuesdays they get you any large pizza from Papa Murphy's.
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  Speaker 2: It's a $ 10 Tuesday.
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  Speaker 3: Order at PapaMurphy's.com. Pick it up and bake it fresh
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  Speaker 3: at home.
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  Speaker 4: Incidentally, Vic, I leave for the first road trip of
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  Speaker 4: the season today. Okay? Yeah. If for some reason it
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  Speaker 4: doesn't work in Winnipeg or Calgary, this is on you
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  Speaker 4: and your little device that I'm supposed to have that
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  Speaker 4: you won't bring to me.
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  Speaker 5: That's not going to work in Winnipeg anyway, because it's
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  Speaker 5: a wireless device using an American wireless company, and it
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  Speaker 5: will not work there.
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  Speaker 4: What are you, a frigging MIT graduate? How do you know?
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  Speaker 4: That just makes sense. Also, I want to preface it
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  Speaker 4: by saying my Comrex, my portable unit, is back at
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  Speaker 4: Comrex headquarters getting fixed. So I have an old, old,
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  Speaker 4: old unit.
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  Speaker 3: None of this matters to the people listening.
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  Speaker 4: None of it. Well. It's going to. That's neat. You
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  Speaker 4: know what he's doing. He's setting himself up. He knows
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  Speaker 4: that he's going to sound like trash.
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  Speaker 3: Setting it up so he can't get on the show.
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  Speaker 4: He's going to sound like trash. Three or four times
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  Speaker 4: he's going to have to reset his unit.
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  Speaker 2: Real quick before we get back to the Broncos, Adam
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  Speaker 2: Schefter in just a few minutes. There was a group
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  Speaker 2: chat that was released in the Michigan tight end room.
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  Speaker 2: They talked about a number of different things, including how
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  Speaker 2: much they think their coaching staff are filled with morons.
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  Speaker 2: So here's just a couple of the texts in here.
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  Speaker 2: He had a meeting with all the tight ends. He
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  Speaker 2: told us none of us are valuable to this offense.
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  Speaker 2: We deserve better. Here's the last text that got released,
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  Speaker 2: and I just think this is funny. The very last sentence. Basically,
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  Speaker 2: our offense sucks because if you blitz us, we have
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  Speaker 2: no answers. We have an extra alignment on the field
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  Speaker 2: every play and run different versions of power read every play. Also,
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  Speaker 2: Beck tells Bryce where to go on every play, and
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  Speaker 2: he gets strapped. Bryce, meaning Underwood, is a good quarterback,
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  Speaker 2: but Beck is the problem. And the final thing written
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  Speaker 2: in here is in parentheses, I never said this, and
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  Speaker 2: this better never leave the group chat.
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  Speaker 4: How does something like that get out? I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Which of the tight ends released it? You can't do that. No,
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  Speaker 4: you can't.
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  Speaker 3: I was very clear about this, not leaving the group chat.
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  Speaker 4: How dare you?
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  Speaker 6: Anyway.
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  Speaker 4: Bunch of hogwash.
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  Speaker 3: I wonder what's going on in Broncos group chats. What's
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  Speaker 3: being said in there?
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  Speaker 2: If you had a group chat between Sutton and Waddle
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  Speaker 2: and Pat Bryant and Marvin Mims and all the wideouts,
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  Speaker 2: Do you think they're talking about Bo Nix or are
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  Speaker 2: they talking about Davis Webb?
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  Speaker 4: You're just like me.
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  Speaker 6: Trash!
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  Speaker 3: Or are they just saying nice things and saying, hey,
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  Speaker 3: we'll figure it out?
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  Speaker 4: Well, they should be saying we'll figure it out. That's
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  Speaker 4: what they should be saying.
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  Speaker 5: That's a great question, though. I mean, if you're Cortland Sutton,
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  Speaker 5: you're off to your worst start in your career.
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  Speaker 3: Nine catches through four games.
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  Speaker 5: So is he blaming Davis Webb for not designing plays
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  Speaker 5: to get him the ball? Is he blaming Bo Nix
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  Speaker 5: for not throwing the ball? That's a great question. I
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  Speaker 5: sort of like this idea. How is their group text?
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  Speaker 5: How is the receiver's room group text going right now?
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  Speaker 4: Well, Vic, he's not one to complain. Cortland Sutton is
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  Speaker 4: not one to throw teammates under the bus or complain about.
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  Speaker 4: If that's A.J.
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  Speaker 6: Brown.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, if it's A.J. Brown, then you've got a problem
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  Speaker 4: in the room big time. I mean, big, big, big time.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, he's got nine catches for 86 yards through
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  Speaker 4: four weeks, dude. That's just not that's not Cortland Sutton
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  Speaker 4: type of numbers.
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  Speaker 3: Here's the thing, though.
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  Speaker 2: Those wide receivers love Bo Nix. Remember what Cortland said
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  Speaker 2: before the season starts? Oh, he's like a caged lion.
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  Speaker 3: He's pacing. I can't wait to unleash him on everybody.
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  Speaker 5: Well, he hasn't been unleashed, so maybe we know the
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  Speaker 5: source of their angst then. The unleashing hasn't happened. I mean, guys,
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  Speaker 5: how many attempts? You're completely wrong about that. He has
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  Speaker 5: been unleashed, but not until like halfway through the third quarter.
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  Speaker 5: How many attempts of over 10 yards were made in
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  Speaker 5: that game?
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  Speaker 4: San Francisco. One. No, no, no.
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  Speaker 3: He attempted more. He completed one.
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  Speaker 4: Completed one.
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  Speaker 3: So here you go. I'll give it to you again.
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  Speaker 2: This is from Zach Kelberman. The Broncos did not attempt
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  Speaker 2: a deep throw of 20 or more air yards until
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  Speaker 2: there were less than two minutes left against the Niners.
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  Speaker 2: Of the 42 passes from Bo Nix, only nine traveled
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  Speaker 2: 10 or more yards and one was completed.
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  Speaker 3: So there's your answer.
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  Speaker 4: Throw the ball down the field.
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  Speaker 5: When they beat Jacksonville, Remember that pass he made to
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  Speaker 5: Waddle right at the one yard line?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: That big old, I think it was a post pattern.
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  Speaker 5: I'm just not seeing the ball thrown down the field.
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  Speaker 5: And maybe there were a couple passes in that game
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  Speaker 5: where we said, why is he throwing it there?
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  Speaker 4: He's throwing it in the, remember that?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, here's Dan Orlovsky. He tried to explain what he
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  Speaker 2: saw on McAfee yesterday.
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  Speaker 7: I think great play callers just have a rare ability
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  Speaker 7: to figure out ways to get quarterbacks in rhythm. There
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  Speaker 7: are five clips in the first half, three of them
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  Speaker 7: big plays, where I'm sitting there saying, Bo, throw the ball.
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  Speaker 7: They're open, the design gets them open, they're big plays
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  Speaker 7: down the field, and he just does not throw the football.
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  Speaker 4: And I don't know the why.
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  Speaker 7: Between how come the play design and play call is
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  Speaker 7: there early on in the game and the route and
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  Speaker 7: design wins and Bo Nix just doesn't throw the football.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't get it.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I mentioned this earlier, but I was looking
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  Speaker 2: at a highlight package of Bo Nix in the Bills
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  Speaker 2: playoff game. Mos, you watched it for 15 seconds. You
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  Speaker 2: saw three throws that were 25 yards downfield in traffic
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  Speaker 2: and on the money. Is it a lack of confidence
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  Speaker 2: with him right now? The reason why I bring up
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  Speaker 2: the ankle is something.
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  Speaker 3: Is obviously different.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't think the ankle is the reason why
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  Speaker 2: he's not taking shots downfield.
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  Speaker 4: Go to the Bo Nix, though, of the Rams game.
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  Speaker 4: Two games ago, the Bo Nix of the Rams game.
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  Speaker 4: How did he look in the second half? Well, different player.
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  Speaker 4: Totally different player. Why? I don't know. I mean, they're
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  Speaker 4: down 16 to nothing at halftime.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and I don't, I don't think that Peyton knows either.
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  Speaker 2: Like Peyton was asked by DMACC yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: Is it mechanics?
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  Speaker 8: Hey coach, when you look at the film, how would
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  Speaker 8: you assess Bo's throwing mechanics so far this year?
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  Speaker 9: His mechanics? Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yep. Yep.
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  Speaker 9: So I would say this cause you know, it's a
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  Speaker 9: position I've coached for, I don't know, however many years
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  Speaker 9: you want to be careful how much you say, like,
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  Speaker 9: in other words, He's real good when he flushes out
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  Speaker 9: of the pocket. I think there was one snap a
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  Speaker 9: week ago.
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  Speaker 6: Stop right there.
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  Speaker 3: Pause it, pause it, pause it, pause it.
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  Speaker 4: He's real good when he flushes out of the pocket.
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  Speaker 4: He's playmaking. He's just playing ball. What he's telling you
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  Speaker 4: in a roundabout way. He's not thinking. He's just doing.
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  Speaker 4: He's just naturally reacting to the game.
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  Speaker 5: What he's trying to tell you is his mechanics are
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  Speaker 5: poor in the pocket.
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  Speaker 3: I think he gets.
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  Speaker 2: He gets urgent when he doesn't have to in the pocket.
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  Speaker 2: He bails from clean pockets. He'll dump the ball off
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  Speaker 2: in clean pockets. And you said, Moshe, how did he
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  Speaker 2: look in that Rams game? And I was like, I
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  Speaker 2: don't think he looked especially great.
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  Speaker 3: Moshe, he finished with 186 yards.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I'm talking about driving the team down. Let's
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  Speaker 4: go back to the Jaguars game in the last two touchdowns.
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  Speaker 4: They made it 13-13 and made it 20-13. A 10-play,
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  Speaker 4: 64-yard drive, Atkins catches a touchdown pass. Coleman punched it
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  Speaker 4: in for the one that put him up 20-13, but
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  Speaker 4: it was just a 5-play, 56-yard drive, and bam, bam, bam, bam, bam,
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  Speaker 4: you're in the end zone, man. It's when he's, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: it's when he, I guess, has to. When they're playing
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  Speaker 4: catch-up and trying to mount a comeback, that's when he's
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  Speaker 4: at his best. Okay. So just stake whomever it is
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  Speaker 4: to a 14-point lead and turn him loose in the
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  Speaker 4: first quarter.
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  Speaker 2: To the ankle question, how many rushing yards do you
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  Speaker 2: think he has through four games?
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  Speaker 3: Just out of curiosity.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to guesstimate probably 40, 35. Something like that, probably.
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  Speaker 4: I'll say he's got 60.
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  Speaker 5: 25.
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  Speaker 6: Wow.
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  Speaker 4: Now....
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  Speaker 2: You tell me. He's got 25 yards on 14 carries.
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  Speaker 2: His longest run.
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  Speaker 4: Of the year. Those aren't carries. Those are scrambles. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: But he's scrambled before. But his longest run of the
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  Speaker 2: year is eight yards.
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  Speaker 3: That's weird.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: That eight yarder, I think, was in the Jacksonville game
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  Speaker 5: around the left side toward the first down marker, which
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  Speaker 5: was a planned, designed run.
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  Speaker 3: But he's not taking off and running. When he knows
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  Speaker 3: running is part of his game.
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  Speaker 9: Why? His mechanics.
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  Speaker 4: Is he coached to stay in there? I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, everybody's coached to stay in there. But Mahomes
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  Speaker 2: takes off and runs if there's space.
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  Speaker 5: Well, again, I made this point in week one and
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  Speaker 5: everybody yelled at me saying, well, he's coming off an injury.
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  Speaker 4: Give him some grace. But I said, hey, Mahomes is
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  Speaker 4: coming off an ACL. A worse injury. And he ran
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  Speaker 4: like he was. What's that?
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  Speaker 3: A worse injury, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: He ran like he was Fran Tarkenton out there.
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  Speaker 3: Something certainly seems off.
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  Speaker 4: It does.
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  Speaker 2: And maybe the ankle is a part of it and
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  Speaker 2: we just don't want to acknowledge it because let's be honest,
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  Speaker 2: we got to camp and he looked fine, right? There's
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  Speaker 2: nothing you would have noticed that was different when we
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  Speaker 2: got there.
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  Speaker 3: But there's a problem. To finish the rest of the
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  Speaker 3: Peyton quote, he said this.
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  Speaker 4: Go ahead, Nelly.
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  Speaker 9: He's real good when he flushes out of the pocket.
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  Speaker 9: I think there was one snap a week ago. He
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  Speaker 9: came out the back instead of climbing, but he's pretty
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  Speaker 9: good relative to understanding the drop as it pertains to
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  Speaker 9: the depth of route. There are times where Logan or
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  Speaker 9: Davis will look closely with a route and say, hey,
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  Speaker 9: maybe we hitch here. But he's got a feel for
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  Speaker 9: these routes, and he understands whether it's in the gun
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  Speaker 9: or under center, what it should feel like and look like.
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  Speaker 2: But this is the time I think it has to go.
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  Speaker 2: You have to be able to find something here moving forward.
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  Speaker 2: I've talked a lot. I think if he has a
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  Speaker 2: better run game, then that can help in a number
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  Speaker 2: of different ways.
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  Speaker 3: Vic, you mentioned it yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: How are you going to have an effective play action
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  Speaker 2: when nobody's scared of your running game? If Shaq is
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  Speaker 2: pump faking you with the three-point line, are you going
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  Speaker 2: to move?
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  Speaker 5: Are you going to bite? Like, it's the same concept. Well,
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  Speaker 5: you know, it's running this in reverse. It's running boot
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  Speaker 5: play action as the second play of the game when
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  Speaker 5: you haven't established the run yet.
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  Speaker 4: And then early in the game running, would they run that?
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  Speaker 4: I go, what was that? Would they run the flea flicker?
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  Speaker 6: Flea flicker.
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  Speaker 5: When you haven't established the run yet, who's going to
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  Speaker 5: be scared of a flea flicker when they're not scared
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  Speaker 5: of your run game?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: For the record, I'm just looking back to last year.
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  Speaker 2: So Bo Nix finished the season with 356 rushing yards.
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  Speaker 2: He had 18 in the first week last year, 20
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  Speaker 2: in the second, 33 in the third. Like the third
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  Speaker 2: week of the season, he had more rushing yards than
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  Speaker 2: he does right now through four games. And through four
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  Speaker 2: games last year, I mean, he had like 150 yards
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  Speaker 2: in the first five or six weeks. Something's not right
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  Speaker 2: in that department. And maybe it's you're being told stay
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  Speaker 2: in the pocket and make a throw. Maybe it's the ankles.
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  Speaker 2: I have no idea. But you can tell. There's just
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  Speaker 2: that same level of jam to him. We can talk
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  Speaker 2: more about this with Adam Schefter, who's going to join
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  Speaker 2: us in just a couple of minutes. A reminder to
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  Speaker 2: you guys that you don't miss a second as the
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  Speaker 2: Nuggets continue their preseason schedule tonight in Utah against the Jazz.
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  Speaker 2: Coverage is on Altitude TV. It begins at 6.30 and
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  Speaker 2: tip-off is shortly after 7. Just real quick, Vic, what
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  Speaker 2: do we look for tonight with the Nuggets preseason game?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's funny.
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  Speaker 5: Somebody just asked me, what do we think of the
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  Speaker 5: Nuggets so far? And I say, we got to see more.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, the one redeeming value from game one of
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  Speaker 5: the preseason was the pass heard around the world, seen
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  Speaker 5: around the world as.
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  Speaker 4: One of the greatest passes in history. And it came
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  Speaker 4: in a preseason game. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: The rest of the game really didn't matter. I want
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  Speaker 5: to see tonight. I want to see how that second
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  Speaker 5: unit operates. But it's hard to assess in these preseason games.
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  Speaker 4: Everybody's getting playing time, Vic. I know. I mean, how
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  Speaker 4: many different guys actually touched the ball against the Jazz
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  Speaker 4: a couple days ago?
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  Speaker 3: Well, here's what I do like.
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  Speaker 4: Here's the conclusions I've made real quick.
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  Speaker 5: The conclusions I've made after watching one preseason game already. A,
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  Speaker 5: Joker's still Joker. B, Christian Brown is back.
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  Speaker 4: To his usual self. He can bounce again. He looks
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  Speaker 4: far different than he did in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 5: And C, Aaron Gordon is slimmer, trimmer, and he's playing
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  Speaker 5: with a chip on his shoulder.
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  Speaker 3: Can I give you a Trevor and Brazil shout-out from
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  Speaker 3: that first game? I liked them.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree. 19 different guys got at least three
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  Speaker 4: minutes in that game. 19 different guys, including guys I
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  Speaker 4: don't even know who they are.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to need a, what are you, what is
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  Speaker 3: happening there? A woman was speaking very loudly.
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  Speaker 4: That was our app. That was our app. And it
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  Speaker 4: just started talking to me.
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  Speaker 3: Keep it tuned on the app because we've got Adam
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  Speaker 3: Schefter next.
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  Speaker 4: Adam Schefter.
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  Speaker 2: joined as we are every Tuesday by Adam Schefter of ESPN.
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  Speaker 3: Adam, how are you doing this morning?
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  Speaker 9: Morning, guys.
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  Speaker 6: What's going on?
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  Speaker 3: Um, we'll start here. We were trying to figure this out.
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  Speaker 2: You talk to smart people on a daily basis about
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  Speaker 2: the Broncos offense and, uh, maybe the lack of, of
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  Speaker 2: oomph from Bo Nix. Have you heard anything about maybe
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  Speaker 2: theories as to why the Broncos offense has started the
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  Speaker 2: season so slowly?
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  Speaker 6: It's been strange. They've been slow out of the gate
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  Speaker 6: and they seem to get better as the games are gone,
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  Speaker 6: generally speaking, but, uh, the slow starts are, are odd.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know what it is. Certain teams, certain coaches
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  Speaker 6: do well with that. Other coaches, other teams, not as well.
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  Speaker 6: And it has not been a good start for them
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  Speaker 6: so far.
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  Speaker 5: Adam, I saw the Seahawks working with Joe Mixon to
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  Speaker 5: get him in. Were the Broncos ever interested in another
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  Speaker 5: running back? Were they ever in the Mixon talks?
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  Speaker 4: Were they in the mix?
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  Speaker 6: No, I never heard them connected to Joe Mixon. And
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  Speaker 6: in fact, I just have heard a lack of interest.
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  Speaker 6: So I was surprised to see him surface over the weekend.
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  Speaker 6: And Seattle signed him to the practice squad. once he
• 16:05
  Speaker 6: went through the physical yesterday.
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: You know, Adam, when we watch like Bijan last night,
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: you start to salivate, right? Oh, I wish we had
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: something like that. But I don't think that the Broncos
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: need something like that. Overall, is the bell cow running back,
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: is that starting to make a comeback in the National
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: Football League? Or are these guys just really special so
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: they get all the attention and we notice them?
• 16:28
  Speaker 6: I don't know that they're making a comeback. When you
• 16:30
  Speaker 6: have a guy like Jameer Gibbs or Bijan Robinson, you
• 16:33
  Speaker 6: know that these guys are incredible. It's been a situation
• 16:37
  Speaker 6: where when you got that, you can't spend your money
• 16:42
  Speaker 6: on everything also. It's hard. I think that Detroit is
• 16:47
  Speaker 6: struggling some elsewhere on the roster because they paid the
• 16:51
  Speaker 6: running back. They paid the quarterback. You can't do everything.
• 16:54
  Speaker 6: Look at their defense. It's terrible. The Falcons are not
• 17:00
  Speaker 6: paying a quarterback. They paid Kirk Cousins. Still haven't paid Pennix.
• 17:04
  Speaker 6: You could afford to pay Bajon, but you have to
• 17:06
  Speaker 6: pay him. You have to pay him. And by the way,
• 17:08
  Speaker 6: you say they're making a comeback. Yes, they are. But
• 17:10
  Speaker 6: in terms of salary, they're still not being paid, in
• 17:13
  Speaker 6: my mind, what their value is. Like, we're seeing Jackson, Smith,
• 17:16
  Speaker 6: and Jake make $ 40- plus million. Bajon Robinson, who catches and runs,
• 17:20
  Speaker 6: makes $ 22. So the running backs, still in my mind,
• 17:23
  Speaker 6: are still underpaid compared to wide receivers.
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: Adam Schefter with us as he is every Tuesday.
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• 17:38
  Speaker 2: updates on the injured Broncos, Pat Sertan, Riley Moss, Pat Bryant?
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: Well, I just don't expect anything to play this week.
• 17:45
  Speaker 6: And I think the bigger question will be which of
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: those players wind up on injured reserve. And my guess
• 17:51
  Speaker 6: would be that we'll see, uh, certainly Sertan there, um,
• 17:55
  Speaker 6: Quite possibly Bryant, depending on when they can get back.
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: I would guess not on Riley Moss. That would be
• 18:00
  Speaker 6: my guess right now.
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: How do the rules of injured reserve work again?
• 18:05
  Speaker 6: You are out four weeks, four games minimum, and then
• 18:08
  Speaker 6: you can be activated after that point in time. But
• 18:10
  Speaker 6: each team, I forget whether it's seven or eight, you
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: can bring back seven or eight players over the course
• 18:16
  Speaker 6: of the year. So a team like the 49ers didn't
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: put Nick Bosa on there because they're running short of
• 18:20
  Speaker 6: IR spaces of players to bring back already, and it's
• 18:23
  Speaker 6: early in the year. You want to make sure you
• 18:24
  Speaker 6: spread it out and save some.
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: That's a lot of games for those players. Those are
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: key players. That's unreal. So what you're saying is if
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: you've got a guy who's kind of iffy, you've got
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: to keep him on the active roster, but it may
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: be three weeks, something like that, because you don't want
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: to have to IR him for a full four. But
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: then that's a roster spot that you could use. That's tough.
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: That's really tough.
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: Every team juggles this, and if you haven't had a
• 18:48
  Speaker 6: lot of injuries, and there's a question you can afford
• 18:50
  Speaker 6: to do it, but if you think the guy's going
• 18:52
  Speaker 6: to be ready, like Baker Mayfield, Todd Bowles said at
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: least three weeks, at least three weeks. They didn't put
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: him on IR. I was told the injury is a
• 19:01
  Speaker 6: three to six week injury. So it might be three weeks.
• 19:04
  Speaker 6: It might be four. It might be five. They're rolling
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: the dice that it'll be sooner rather than later, which
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: is why they didn't put him on IR. It's a quarterback.
• 19:11
  Speaker 6: They're hoping they get him back as soon as possible,
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: but there's no guarantees that that happens.
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: Talking to the people that you talk to, and I
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: see these 0-4 teams, and it's surprising, but it's for
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: a number of different reasons. Is there any one team
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: that people look at and say, talking about these 0-4s,
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: maybe they could get on a little bit of a run,
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: come back. I mean, look, Tampa's 0-4, but they're only
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: two games out in their own dang division.
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't see it. You know, that doesn't mean
• 19:36
  Speaker 6: they can't. But when you, you know, I remember the year,
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: I think it was 1999, the first year after John
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: Elway retired, and the Broncos started to own four. And
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: they might have made a little bit of a run
• 19:47
  Speaker 6: to try to get back into the race. But you
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: fall so far behind the eight ball, it just feels
• 19:53
  Speaker 6: like you're playing catch-up. It takes a lot out of
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: you physically, mentally. Sure, these teams can come back, and
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: some of them will make runs, absolutely. But to go
• 20:03
  Speaker 6: from 0-4 to the playoffs... good luck with that. Like
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: it can be done, but it's going to be very
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: difficult and challenging to do.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: My money's on the dolphins. Uh, yeah.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: Uh, Adam, what's the market you got for Tyree kill
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: right now?
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: Well, his agent said he's talking to multiple teams. Um,
• 20:21
  Speaker 6: and that I'm sure I don't have any reason to
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: doubt Drew Rosenhouse, but what I would say is the
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: chiefs are so logical in so many ways that, I mean,
• 20:29
  Speaker 6: I don't know how that doesn't happen in my mind.
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: Like he's played there. knows they're, they know him. They're
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: playing as well as any team in football. They can
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: use them. They lost Tyquan Thornton. They lost Rasheed Rice.
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: They had a need anyway. He knows Mahomes. He knows Kelsey.
• 20:49
  Speaker 6: He knows Andy Reid. Like, I'm not telling you it's
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: happening there, but I'd be surprised if it didn't happen there.
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: I've got a two-part question here.
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: And the first one is with the players and this, um,
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: so-called taunting rule where these players are getting fined. Quinn
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: Miners was fined a couple of weeks ago for miming
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: a dice roll.
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: He got fined.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: $ 14, 000.
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: Have they jumped the shark on these fines? I mean,
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: what does the players union do?
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: What, how do you appeal something like that if you're
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: not fond of the fine?
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: Well, you, you appeal it, that's it. And you have
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: your argument and your say with the NFL. So, um,
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: Every player has the right to do that. You could
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: argue against these fines in the next round of talks. But, Vic,
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: there are fines that have come up for years. Every
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: year there's some fines. What is this? What is this?
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: Kyle Juszczyk, $ 14, 926 for drinking juice, his nickname, which the
• 21:45
  Speaker 6: league in turn is chugging a beer. So there are
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: fines like this every year. They go on.
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: Is there somebody at headquarters watching this and assessing these fines,
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: or is that someone on site?
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: Who is actually determining this?
• 22:01
  Speaker 6: I think a couple of things. I think they do
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: have an NFL official on site for every game. And
• 22:08
  Speaker 6: then the league is always watching all these things. They
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: see things on TV and replays, and so they're marking
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: it down, taking notes.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: Well, on the other side of that, two referees got suspended.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: It's just odd that that happened in the same week.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: How often does that stuff go down?
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: I haven't seen stuff like that. Like, I mean, that
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: was unusual. You know, where you're talking about confrontations on
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: the field with players. You don't see that. Like, do
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: you see an official get up and kind of go
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: back at the Vikings linebacker?
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's weird.
• 22:41
  Speaker 6: I didn't see that. That was unusual. And I hadn't
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: seen an official capture on camera using profanity at a player.
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: You know, that's the day in Israel we're living in.
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: And by the way, like, and I said this in
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: my podcast this morning, we just recorded it, but I'm like,
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: in any workplace environment, if I use that language at
• 23:04
  Speaker 6: somebody in that kind of tone, that's unprofessional.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: Well, Mosher's unprofessional to me every morning.
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: We do it every morning on this show.
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: Well, you know, listen, altitude's got to take action against this.
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: Hey, Adam, the last non-quarterback to win the MVP was
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: Adrian Peterson. Before that, LaDainian Tomlinson, Sean Alexander, these guys won.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: Are we going to get back to a time when
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: we do have a non-quarterback be the most valuable player?
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: Because you got some backs right now. I mean, Kenneth
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: Walker III, for crying out loud, is running all over
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: the place, too.
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: Listen, I know it's become a quarterback award, but we're
• 23:47
  Speaker 6: seeing some incredible backs. And You can't tell me right now,
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: it's only four weeks, that anybody's been any more valuable
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: than Kenneth Walker, you know, through four weeks. If we're
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: going to give out an MVP of four weeks, then
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: Kenneth Walker wins it for four weeks. But it's not
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: four weeks. It's 17 weeks, 18 weeks. So, you know,
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: we're a quarter of the way through, and these things
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: change all the time. There's a lot of race left
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: to go. But early on, Kenneth Walker has been great.
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: Have you conducted your fantasy basketball draft yet?
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: I watched you yesterday, yeah. Okay, did you take Joker
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: number one?
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: The draft is next week. It was supposed to be Wednesday.
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: We might be moving up to Tuesday or Thursday. So
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: I'm still, it will be next week. When we do
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: the segment next week, next Tuesday, the draft still will
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: not have been done. But I feel pretty good. Like
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: you guys, honestly, you guys helped sell me on the Joker.
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: Like Vic, like he's in great shape, right? Like great shape,
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: lost weight, motivated, all that. No questions, right?
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: Am I having to sell Nikola Jokic? Is this what
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: we're doing right now? I got to sell this man
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: to you?
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: Looking for reinforcement. That's it.
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: See, the problem is you're also with your heart. You
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: had your heart set on Wemby. If you have your
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: heart set on a guy, it's hard to talk that
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: person off of that guy. I understand the internal struggle
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: you're going with here, but I saw you yesterday talking
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: to the fellas and you saw the pass. I mean,
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: that's just a microcosm of what this guy is really
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: all about on a nightly basis.
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: He's one of the greatest players in NBA history. I
• 25:20
  Speaker 6: know that. Again, none of that is in dispute. The
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: question is, How is he going to be this year
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: at age 31? Are there any questions or are there
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: any issues? Are there any uncertainties that I have to
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: consider as I mull that decision for the number one
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: overall pick? That's it.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Adam Schefter, all conversations with Adam are brought to you
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  Speaker 2: Town Center and online at matthewsfinewatches.com. So, Adam, just a
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: couple more things before we let you go. Number one,
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: in looking at these quarterbacks around the league.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: The issues.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: With the Chargers offense, How much of that is Justin
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Herbert just not playing well, and how much of that
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: is just everything else coming together? New offense, battle line play,
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: what is it?
• 26:02
  Speaker 6: I think it's a little bit of everything. I think
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: it's a new offense that's not functioning in an efficient way,
• 26:08
  Speaker 6: that looks clunky, where he doesn't look comfortable, where he's
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: not playing well, where they're not calling. It's everything. It
• 26:14
  Speaker 6: just kind of feeds off one another. And they haven't
• 26:17
  Speaker 6: developed any momentum or confidence. They're losing. It hasn't looked great.
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: He continually has more interceptions and touchdowns, which is not
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: the way you want to be. So it's just not
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: an ideal scenario for them. Where's the game Sunday in Denver?
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: No, it's in L.A. In L.A., yeah. Interesting.
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: Well, Denver needs to go find a way to win
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: that game.
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: 100%. Adam Schefter joins us every single Tuesday. Adam, always
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: appreciate the time.
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: Thank you, buddy.
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: Thank you guys. Have a great week. You bet.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: Adam Schefter, ESPN.
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: By the way, I made such a dumb, bold prediction
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: last week.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: Which was? You know what?
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are going to win that division.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: They're going to win the division.
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: What an idiot.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Did I hear Adam Schefter tell us that he thinks
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: that Sertan and Pat Bryan are going on IR?
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and the prospect, that's four weeks, guys. That's four
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: weeks minimum and probably more than that. That's a big.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: Big hurt right there. That's a big hurt.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: Why does it sound like you were in an MRI machine?
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: Because there's some activity going on outside the house here.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: But I was under the impression Sertan's week-to-week thing meant
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: like a couple of games, not a full month and
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: then maybe more.
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: What did you expect? A miracle? He could barely get
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: off the field. He had to be held off the field.
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: Pat Bryant had to be carted off the field. If
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: you see a guy get carted off the field, that's
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: not week-to-week.
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: That's a month minimum. You're right.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: I think I just got encouraged by the initial reports. Like, guys,
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: it's not that bad.
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, good.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: Thank God.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: It's still bad.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: Not that bad and still being bad are still two
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: things here.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Now, the bigger question is, if he's going to miss
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: a month, and Nelly, if you could, just grab that
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: and we'll use that for later and send it to
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: the other shows because I'm sure they want it. If
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Sertan's not there for over a month, which... according to Schefter,
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: is likely the case. How do teams now attack the
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: Broncos' defense? You had this sort of Darrell Rivas thing
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: where wherever side he was on, that was a no-go,
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: and it makes it a lot easier for you to
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: conduct different things schematically for Vance Joseph and all these
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: different deals.
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: Schematically.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: If he's not there, now that creates a pretty gigantic
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: pressure on different aspects of the defense that that didn't
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: have it before. Like, here's a big one, Moj. You
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: need to get some sacks again. The secondaries played great.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: You haven't gotten sack totals through four games. Nick Benito,
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: your all pro, has a single sack through a month
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: of the season. There's now more pressure on them to
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: create havoc in the backfield.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, all of a sudden, when we started
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: talking about this, I felt pretty good. Vic, all of
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: a sudden, I got my tummy. My tummy feels a
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: little rumbly. We're talking about, they're not going on IR,
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: are they? I mean, just give me two weeks.
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: He just said he expects him to go on IR.
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: And the thing, you know, you just mentioned, we neglected
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: to ask Adam about this.
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: We keep talking about Jonathan Cooper. Where does that stand?
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: When is that going to happen? I have absolutely no idea.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: He told us earlier that he goes, the NFL doesn't care.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: They're on the exempt list until, like, things get figured out. Now,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: isn't Cooper's trial, like, next week?
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: Isn't that it?
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: I thought that's what it was. Wasn't it in October
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: at some point or something like that?
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: I thought it was November. I thought it was early November.
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: That's why I went at first thought. It's November. Yeah. Yeah.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: Oh, boy, yeah.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: It's the 10th, November 10th. So there's a pretrial hearing,
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: I guess, October 30th. But it doesn't seem like they're
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: in a hurry to get anything done. And I think
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Jonathan Cooper, you know, being out of that defensive line
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: has certainly hindered their ability to get some things done.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: I mean, he's hurt them.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: You're missing a lot of sacks from Jonathan Cooper and
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: JFM from last year.
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: Did I not say it all offseason? What is the
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: absence of JFM going to do to affect that line?
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: And then you throw Cooper in the mix, too, and... Oh, man.
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: You've got to be able to get to Herbert. He's
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: been hassled all season long so far.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: I want you guys to think about something.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: It might not matter as much this week, but if
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Pat Sertan is gone for a month, you have, on
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: a short week, Jackson Smith and Jigba coming in here
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: with possibly no Riley Moss and no Pat Sertan.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: Jackson Smith, Nagujuba.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: That changes a lot of how you feel about that game.
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: And you only have four days to prepare. Yeah.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: So, again, according to Schefter, in fact, Nelly, if you
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: want to play it on the way to break, go ahead.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: Here's what he said.
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: I just don't expect anything to play this week, and
• 31:15
  Speaker 6: I think the bigger question will be which of those
• 31:17
  Speaker 6: players wind up on injured reserve. And my guess would
• 31:21
  Speaker 6: be that we'll see certainly Sertan there, quite possibly Bryant,
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: depending on when they can get back. I would guess
• 31:28
  Speaker 6: not on Riley Moss. That'd be my guess right now.
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: How do the rules of injured reserve work again?
• 31:34
  Speaker 6: You are out four weeks, four games minimum, and then
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: you can be activated after that point in time.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: It's a month. How does the phone work again?
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: What's a carburetor? You didn't like my question? No, it
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: was fine. What I don't like is I don't like
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: the jackhammer going on outside your window. Whatever they're doing,
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: what are they doing? I'll tell you someday. What? What?
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: Some big golden secret. City of Golden needs protecting. Jeez Louise.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: There's nothing but black SUVs outside of his house.
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: Exactly, guys. Talking into their wrists and crap. All right.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: Back after this.
• 32:19
  Speaker 6: I just don't expect anything to play this week. And
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: I think the bigger question will be which of those
• 32:24
  Speaker 6: players wind up on injured reserve. And my guess would
• 32:27
  Speaker 6: be that we'll see Certainly Sertan there. Quite possibly Bryant,
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: depending on when they can get back. I would guess
• 32:35
  Speaker 6: not on Riley Moss. That'd be my guess right now.
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: How do the rules of injured reserve work again?
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: You are out four weeks, four games minimum, and then
• 32:43
  Speaker 6: you can be activated after that point in time.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: How does a telescope work?
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: I don't like that answer. I don't like that at all.
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: Like, is a telescope just like a reverse microscope?
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: I know that, look, I feel kind of dumb, but
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: there was something about when Sertan left and they said, hey,
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: the Achilles is intact, it's fine. And watching that play,
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: I'm just wondering, like, what was it? I didn't see
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: him roll his ankle on the play. I watched the replay.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: You're talking about Pat Sertan?
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it looked like he was just in a back pedal,
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: and then he planted and then couldn't move.
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: He did a back pedal, he pivoted, planted and pivoted,
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: and then he's... But then I was like, oh. Then
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: there's the hits and the giddy-up.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: And then my first thought was, that's an Achilles. Like,
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: that's non-contact. You weren't doing anything. We didn't witness anything
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: weird happen. That's got to be an Achilles.
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: It wasn't.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: They said it was an ankle injury.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: And then they said, yeah, they avoided the worst.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: And I... I.
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: Was thinking it was no big deal. Like, maybe miss
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: a game. You'll be fine. Well, it's the chargers. No. Yeah.
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: Seattle's a totally different story.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: And then I saw an ESPN and the texture just
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: reminded me of this. It said he was week to
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: week and week to week means to me, Hey, he's
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: probably going to miss a game or two, but he'll
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: be fine.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: When Schefter saying he thinks he's going to go on IR.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, now I feel different. I don't know.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: And if they are missing him, the tough thing is
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: whether he's on IR or not, him playing against the
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Seahawks is going to be a, Very, very tall order.
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: That's a short week on a Thursday. Are you going
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: to bring somebody back for that?
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: I'm not worried about the Chargers, though. I'm not. I mean,
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: half their wideouts are gone. McConkie's questionable. Slater's out.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: Quinton Johnson can't catch.
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: He never has been able to catch. What does Joe
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: Alt have? He's got something. A neck. He left the
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: game against the Seahawks with a neck. Derwin James is
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: week to week or day to day or whatever the
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: hell he is. That guy, that guy is missing. He's
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: got a bad hammy.
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: Replay what Adam said. I want to hear specifically what
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: he said.
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: Do it.
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: Do it one more time. Cause he just texted me
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: and say, he didn't say that. I want to hear
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: what he said.
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: Oh, I just don't expect anything to play this week.
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: And I think the bigger question will be which of
• 35:07
  Speaker 6: those players wind up on injured reserve. And my guess
• 35:11
  Speaker 6: would be that we'll see, uh, certainly certain there, um,
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: Quite possibly Bryant, depending on when they can get back.
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: I would guess not on Riley Moss.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: Okay, so cut right there.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Look, I'm not saying that he said for sure he's
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: going on IR, but he said he thinks he's going to.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: I don't know. But Schefter texted you and said he
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: didn't say that?
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: Is that what you're saying? I originally tweeted out that
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: those two will end up on IR. He said he
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: guesses that.
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: So we've got to make sure that we don't know
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: for sure.
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: Right. That's all. Right.
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: But he said he thinks they will.
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: Now, again, I don't know.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: There was another report from Jeremy Fowler that's week to
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: week with Sertan.
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: I think Fowler said a couple of weeks, something like that. Look,
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: I don't think we really know. I think that what
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: Adam said could be very correct. What Fowler said could
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: be very correct. I mean, how long does it take
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: for these kind of things to heal? I don't know, dude.
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: It's the non-contact. It's the non-contact that drives me crazy.
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: I hate that. I hate non-contact. When you see a
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: guy limp off the field, again, that to me is
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: a month. It's not a week. It's not two weeks.
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: That's a month to me. It always is. I mean,
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: Garrett Bowles was carted off the field and he came
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: back the next week. That's a very rare thing. That
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: doesn't happen.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: Caleb Williams ruined everything for me.
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: Well, somebody said Mike Evans got carted off and he
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: played last week. Mike Evans was not effective. He was
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: not himself. I can promise you that.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: No, he was effective.
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: I mean, I guess he was effective, but he didn't
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: look like himself.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: Let me tell you something right now.
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: He was ow, ow, ow the entire game.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Mike Evans is... Mike Evans is a Hall of Famer.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: And I don't know how many people realize or recognize that.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: That dude's stretch of 1,000-yard seasons went like a decade straight.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: He is an amazing football player. He was so hurt.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Did you guys see him last week? He didn't want
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: to talk to anybody.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: He would get to the sideline.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: You ever been hurting so bad? You're like, don't even
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: speak to me right now. I can't even function. The
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: fact that that guy played and played well through his
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: injury is crazy.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: Because I don't know what they shot him up.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know what size and needle he needed to
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: get poked with before that game started.
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: But goodness, he was in pain. What's with the Moss
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: rib situation? I mean, what happened there? What am I missing?
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: He's been battling that for a while, I think. He
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: missed some time in camp.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: Like, I don't like that. I don't like anything that
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: has to do with your core.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: Core injuries are like impossible to fix.
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: Can I make a proclamation? I hope upon hope that
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: I never have the wind knocked out of me ever
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: again in my life. Because every time I have the
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: wind knocked out of me, I think I'm going to die.
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: That I'm never going to get my breath back. Punch
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: me in the stomach real quick.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: Why I oughta.
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: That I'm never ever. Bang. Come on, man.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: Bang.
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: So when you have rib injuries, that's where my brain goes.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: It's awful. I know that Sertan was hurt last season.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: Was he on IR? Or did he just miss a
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: couple of games?
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: I think it was just a couple.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: So let's see here.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: Last year, Pat Sertan played in 14 games. So he
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: was not on IR, but he did miss a few. Yeah,
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: they've dealt with this before. He's missed some games. Gosh,
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: in his career, look at this. Sertan has only missed one, two, three,
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: five games in his career.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: That's it. And this is his sixth season in the NFL?
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: He's a big, durable stud.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: So yeah, when he leaves with an injury, you pay
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: attention to it because that doesn't happen.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: He doesn't do that. Um, but we'll see.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess there's, there's a chance he goes
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: on IR, uh, but that's not for sure.
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: I think the easiest way to approach is expect all
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: three of those players.
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: To be out a month. And then if you get
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: anything better, great bonus.
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: But I would expect all three of those guys, given
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: the injuries you're out a month and that's just the
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: way it goes.
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Um, 303-504-0925.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: Before we get to a fact checker. We got the
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: apps coming up in just a couple of days.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: Days.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: They'll take on Winnipeg at 530 tomorrow, right here on 92.5.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Moj is leaving today. Oh, and they're just showing the
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: injury right now. Hang on, I wanted to see that again.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: Did you see it?
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: Yes. Again, it's just, Brent, it's a backpedal, a pivot,
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: and non-contact. I mean, nobody hit him. He didn't get
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: rolled up. We all know what we saw. It's just,
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: those drive me absolutely crazy. And then Dominique Foxworth, former
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: Denver Broncos DB, talking about the losses in the Broncos secondary,
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: how big they're going to be.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: What is Winnipeg this year, Moshe, without Hellebuck?
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: What are they?
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: What do you think they're going to be?
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: Well, they're 2-0-1 to start the season. Yeah. So they're
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: playing pretty well. Kyle Connor, I think this guy, Kyle Connor,
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: I think he's probably one of the most underrated guys
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: in hockey.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: He plays well against the Avs, too.
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: He does. Typically, he does. But I think he's one
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: of the more underrated guys. Like, if he was a
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: Colorado Avalanche, he's got three goals and two assists in
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: three games. Pretty good.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: Cole Perfetti is a player. You know, Mark Shifley is
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: still a player. I don't think they're going to be
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: contending for anything, but they're still pretty good, and they've
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: got that guy in the back end named.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Pionk?
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: Pionk! Pionk? Vic, say it. Give me a little Pionk. Pionk!
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: Vic's the best at that one. He's good at that one.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: And then on top of that, tonight you have another
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Nuggets preseason game that's going to be on Altitude TV
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: starting at 6.30 with tip-off shortly after 7.00. I did
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: like what I saw out of Trevin Brazil. You got
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: an athletic big guy like that. He's capable of knocking
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: down some shots, but the bigger thing is, like, they
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: need somebody with some defensive presence. Now, I don't know
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: what the plan is, if he's going to be a
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: part of the rotation this year or not or whatever,
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: but having somebody that's just big, athletic, and capable of
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: getting up and getting a hand in somebody's face.
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: And the thing is, if you're going to play Brazil,
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: which I think they should, because I thought he looked good,
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: that even pushes Zeke Nagy in. further down the bench
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: yeah and that then you start to wonder what what
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: are we doing here right yeah what are we doing
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: because they play the same position they do the same
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: thing but brazil just seems more active in there watching
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: him play one game and i i have to be
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: honest with you i need to see more out of
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: deron holmes and this is going to be one of
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: those seasons where he's got to make He's got to
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: make an impression.
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: What is he? In your eyes, what is Deron Holmes?
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you this, Vic.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: He's been hidden because he had the injury that kept
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: him out his entire rookie season.
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: Then last year was about getting back. Make no mistake
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: about this.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Deron Holmes was a gigantic investment for the picks that
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: you traded to trade up to go get him and
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: the plans that you had for him.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: If he doesn't pan out, that's a giant whiff.
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: Ask me that question again, Vic. What do you see
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: in Deron Holmes? I have absolutely no idea. I have
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: absolutely no clue. I don't know. How could you possibly know?
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: He's got to get some playing time in order to
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: evaluate his game, but he never plays.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, Vic, you tell me, as far as
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: big guys that are going to cycle in, guys that
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: you would consider rotational players, Out of these three, or
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: I guess four, who's guaranteed to get the most playing time?
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: Is it Bagley?
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: Is it Zeke?
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: Is it Brazil?
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: Or is it Holmes?
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: It's Bagley by far. It's not even close. Bagley's going
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: to be the backup five.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: Even with that.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: Are Holmes and Brazil and Zeke all fighting for backup
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: four minutes?
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: I see, and that's the thing.
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: Keeping two of those guys is fine.
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: Three of those guys, why would you keep three bodies
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: if two of them are not going to play much?
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: It's redundant.
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's an absolute waste of space there, and I
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: hate to be that way, but that's what it is.
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: You went out and drafted Brazil, and Brazil, to me...
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: seems more active already in one preseason game.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, me too.
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: So what does that mean for the other two?
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Well, that's going to be on 7 o'clock right here
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: on Altitude Television later tonight.
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: And you're talking about a second-round pick.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: High second-rounder.
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but if you find money with a second-rounder, that's
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: pretty damn good. So one of these guys has to pop, Vic.
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: One of these young kids has to pop.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: Fact checker, please, Nelly.
• 44:09
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• 44:13
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• 44:15
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• 44:17
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• 44:20
  Speaker 8: Mosher, you told us earlier that you were about to
• 44:23
  Speaker 8: hop on a plane and head to Winnipeg for some
• 44:25
  Speaker 8: avalanche action coming up tomorrow night.
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: But the thing is.
• 44:28
  Speaker 8: You do not have your usual Comrex box that you
• 44:31
  Speaker 8: use to connect to the station, which allows you to
• 44:33
  Speaker 8: broadcast from your frozen hotel room in Winnipeg. And you
• 44:36
  Speaker 8: said that you had to send it back to the
• 44:38
  Speaker 8: manufacturer to get a little love. Well, our engineer, Cole Smith,
• 44:42
  Speaker 8: texted me and said, why don't you ask Mosher why
• 44:45
  Speaker 8: he had to send his unit back in? So, Moshe,
• 44:49
  Speaker 8: do you need to fess up to something here?
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: What did you do?
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: It's broken.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: How did it break?
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: Why do you break all the equipment?
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: Why is it you who breaks all the equipment and
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: make it tough on everybody else?
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: You do.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: How did you do it?
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: You break all the equipment here. Shockey, are you listening
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: to this?
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: We're having to get all these equipment things fixed because
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: of one man.
• 45:11
  Speaker 9: Right away.
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: Why? What happened? Well, the knob broke. It still works.
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: I mean, it worked.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: How did it break?
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: I don't know. The knob broke off.
• 45:20
  Speaker 9: How?
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: I don't know. Jesse tried to glue it. It was
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: a total disaster. It was a nightmare. I really don't know.
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: I travel with it a hundred times.
• 45:32
  Speaker 6: A year, man.
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: Because he throws it in his suitcase and he doesn't
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: put it in the protective case.
• 45:37
  Speaker 7: Probably.
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: It's got to be in protective custody. Do you know
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: how much crap I haul around North America on a
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: weekly basis?
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: Do you even have any idea what I wear?
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: When I travel, I put it in the protective case.
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: I wear protection. I wear protection. Trojan.
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: You sell a charade.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: Anyway, iTunes, Spotify, Marshall, Lombardi, and Kane.
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: Hey, wish me luck.
• 46:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: Don't really care.
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: I think it's about 50-50.
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: Your life's 50-50.
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: You're right. I agree. Good. Good.
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: We will talk to you all tomorrow. Have a wonderful Tuesday.
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: See you. Love you.