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Ant-Man: The Kang Era Begins · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 6: the Oddity Studios for another in the Super Series. The never-ending,
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  Speaker 6: we don't go very long without another installment of the
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  Speaker 4: Huzzah!
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  Speaker 6: So in thinking about that earlier, I was like, it
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  Speaker 6: wasn't that long ago since we sat and talked about
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  Speaker 6: a movie. But like we used to, it timed out
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  Speaker 6: so that like between the last movie to the next movie,
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  Speaker 6: a whole new series would come out and we'd talk
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  Speaker 6: about that series. I was thinking today, I was like,
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  Speaker 6: when's the last like real series? We've had two one-offs.
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  Speaker 6: But like, was She-Hulk the last? Yeah, it was like
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  Speaker 6: She-Hulk and Ms. Marvel and before that was.
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  Speaker 4: Moon Knight.
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  Speaker 6: Moon Knight, yeah. So I was like, I went through
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  Speaker 6: those three in my head and I was like, those
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  Speaker 6: are all a long time ago. Like, She-Hulk wasn't that
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  Speaker 6: long ago, but we talked about it already. So I
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  Speaker 6: was like, I guess they're... Secret Invasion's next up for
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  Speaker 6: the series. And even that, I don't think they've pinned
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  Speaker 6: down a start date.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, that's the thing. We've only seen the trailer
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  Speaker 4: for that one. But most recently, we've seen, like, there's
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  Speaker 4: a Disney Plus commercial. We've seen some new footage for Loki. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So we know season two. We know that's coming. And
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  Speaker 4: we definitely, yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Not to jump ahead yet.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll talk about that in a bit. But yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, there's a bunch of series supposedly this year.
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  Speaker 6: And the new, what's the animated craziness?
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  Speaker 4: That should be soon. What if? Yeah, the what if
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  Speaker 4: should be coming soon too. And supposedly also X-Men 97,
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  Speaker 4: which is the sequel series for the 90s X-Men animated series.
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  Speaker 6: Which, yeah, that was the maybe most beloved of all X-Men.
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  Speaker 6: As time's gone on, even the 90s movies, a little
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  Speaker 6: of the shine has come on.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. And lately, well, definitely the last one. Kind of
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  Speaker 4: the last two.
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  Speaker 6: So, yeah, I think that's the return of people actually
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  Speaker 6: embracing X-Men.
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  Speaker 4: I will look forward to seeing... what the MCU does
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  Speaker 4: with the X-Men because I've never been 100% satisfied with
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  Speaker 4: any of the X-Men movies. Mostly because they do kind
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  Speaker 4: of what the cartoon did, which was you don't start
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  Speaker 4: with the OG team. You kind of just pick and
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  Speaker 4: choose people throughout the years. Oh, we got to have
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  Speaker 4: Wolverine on there because all the kids love the Wolverine.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, from a business standpoint, I understand.
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  Speaker 6: But thankfully he's retired now and we won't see that
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  Speaker 6: Jackman back playing him ever again.
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  Speaker 4: No. I've already seen the pictures. That's not entirely true.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I knew that even when Logan, I was like,
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  Speaker 6: they'll rope him in for something. I don't know how,
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  Speaker 6: I don't know why, but they'll get him back. Like
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  Speaker 6: he still, he has to love it. It made his
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  Speaker 6: entire life, you know, it's like. you were a nobody
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  Speaker 6: really like, don't get me wrong. I'm sure he would
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  Speaker 6: have been very happy in his hometown doing musicals because
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  Speaker 6: that's his thing. But, but that changed his career. And
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  Speaker 6: I mean, he got to do so many things because
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  Speaker 6: of that.
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  Speaker 4: So, and he's very appreciative of the fandom for Wolverine
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  Speaker 4: and loves those folks just as much as he loves
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  Speaker 4: the greatest show people and whatever else. So that's, that's
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  Speaker 4: really cool. There's, I've been in a long history of
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  Speaker 4: actors who get in genre filmmaking or TV or whatnot,
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  Speaker 4: and they get known for a character despite other projects
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  Speaker 4: they've been in, and they have a hatred for their
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  Speaker 4: fan base. They put money in your pocket, ass. Turn
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  Speaker 4: their back on it. Stuff like that. It's like, come on.
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  Speaker 4: Some handled it well, and some... did not. I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: It just seems like maybe folks are better trained these
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  Speaker 4: days or better prepared because now it just seems like
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  Speaker 4: if anybody likes me, that's cool.
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  Speaker 6: I think the business has changed so much at this point.
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  Speaker 6: Everybody's fighting to find their footing, period. If you need
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  Speaker 6: to do a different type of thing. Again, if you
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  Speaker 6: need to go from doing blockbuster action movies to musicals,
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  Speaker 6: you do it. If you need to start your own
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  Speaker 6: YouTube channel or Get on freaking TikTok.
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  Speaker 4: That's what you do.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's like, that's what you do.
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  Speaker 4: So I think everybody sort of opened up their options
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  Speaker 4: at this point. One of my favorite things I saw
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  Speaker 4: on social media from the Golden Globes, you may have
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  Speaker 4: seen this too, is that F. Murray Abraham is walking
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  Speaker 4: the red carpet because he got nominated for White Lotus, right?
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  Speaker 4: So he's walking the red carpet and people start cheering.
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  Speaker 4: And at first he's kind of like, yeah, he's just walking.
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  Speaker 4: And then he realized, like, they're getting louder. And so
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  Speaker 4: he kind of turns them. And it's this wonderful real-time realization. Like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: you guys are cheering for me. And he was just
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  Speaker 4: so delighted with it. He's kind of like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: kind of doing a little turn. Just enjoying the moment.
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  Speaker 4: It's like all these people on the red carpet are
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  Speaker 4: screaming for him.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And it's this great kind of career resurgence with basically,
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  Speaker 4: of course, Moon Knight and the now White Lotus. He's
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  Speaker 4: kind of had this nice little resurgence being in stuff
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  Speaker 4: people care about and showing off like, hey, this guy's
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  Speaker 4: always been a great actor and thanks for bringing him back.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's nice when people still seem somewhat grounded to him.
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  Speaker 6: Or at least they've been through that. Maybe in the
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  Speaker 6: mid-80s he would have been like, of course they're cheering
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  Speaker 6: for me. But, you know, you take a couple of
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  Speaker 6: shots over the years and it changes your perspective maybe.
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  Speaker 4: It was just such a delight to see him light
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  Speaker 4: up and just realize that they were cheering for him.
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  Speaker 4: It's like, man, that's got to feel good.
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  Speaker 6: So yeah, that was my normal go-to, which I guess
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  Speaker 6: we can't really talk about.
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  Speaker 4: The most recent series that hasn't happened yet. I'm patiently waiting.
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  Speaker 4: We're supposed to be getting possibly Agatha, Covenant of Chaos
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  Speaker 4: towards the end of the year. Possibly Wakanda Forever.
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  Speaker 6: I saw the promos, and I'm like, they're showing clips
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  Speaker 6: from all kinds of stuff. But I'm like, no real
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  Speaker 6: dates on a lot of it.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I know Echo was supposed to be this year,
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  Speaker 4: but I heard there were some production issues that pushed
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  Speaker 4: it back. Of course, they just released a teaser poster
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  Speaker 4: for the Captain Marvel sequel, which informed us that it
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  Speaker 4: will not be coming out in July like we thought.
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  Speaker 4: It's now November. So, like, okay.
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  Speaker 1: But.
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  Speaker 4: To me, though, my wife was like, oh, is that
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  Speaker 4: something wrong? I was like, I don't know, because look
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  Speaker 4: at their schedules. You had Ant-Man in February. It was packed,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, yeah. Marvel's packed at the beginning of the year,
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  Speaker 4: and then basically after the summer, okay, there's the Kraven,
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  Speaker 4: the Hunter movie, which is another Sony, hey, let's do
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  Speaker 4: a Spider-Man villain movie without Spider-Man in it. Let's do a.
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  Speaker 6: Thing that we'll forget we made in a year, let
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  Speaker 6: alone the audiences have already forgotten about it.
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  Speaker 4: You know, it's like Craven's a cool character and nothing
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  Speaker 4: against Aaron Taylor Johnson, but no fucking way.
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  Speaker 6: He keeps trying and nothing. I mean, for somebody who
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  Speaker 6: like has been in so many big, amazing projects, every
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  Speaker 6: time I see him and go, Wait, who's that guy again?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know.
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  Speaker 6: I watched that entire freaking bullet train movie and was like,
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  Speaker 6: who is that guy? Like I got to the end
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  Speaker 6: and then I was like, oh my God, no wonder
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  Speaker 6: he looked familiar the whole movie.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know.
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  Speaker 6: It's like, he's just so.
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  Speaker 4: He's a talented guy, but he's kind of got one
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  Speaker 4: of those, like I can blend any, like he's a
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  Speaker 4: good looking dude, but he can also like subterfuge anywhere.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. And this is why they keep killing you off
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  Speaker 6: in your giant. platform movies and I mean he's been
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  Speaker 6: in such huge attempting to be blockbusters I mean from
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  Speaker 6: Marvel to Godzilla they're trying to cram you into any
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  Speaker 6: big budget thing and the audience are just like nah
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  Speaker 6: I mean.
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  Speaker 4: He had both the kickass movies too so those are
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  Speaker 4: based on see that was.
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  Speaker 6: The only thing people originally knew him for and then
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  Speaker 6: like he kind of bumped up a little bit and
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  Speaker 6: he's like oh not this low budget superhero knockoff thing
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  Speaker 6: we're gonna give you giant big budget movies.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah and the audiences were like what Here's this guy.
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  Speaker 4: Who are you again? No, thanks. Yeah. Yeah. That's just
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  Speaker 4: how it goes. But yeah. So, you know, patiently awaiting
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  Speaker 4: some dates for when shit's going to come out. Cause yeah, I'm, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I'm looking forward to secret invasion. Definitely Loki season two.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, we're, we're going to get some
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  Speaker 4: more Kang in there. We got, we got our, we
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  Speaker 4: got our proper introduction and the movie we're going to
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  Speaker 4: talk about here in a bit. But, uh, Yeah, we
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  Speaker 4: got like a little tease in season one of Loki,
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  Speaker 4: and this one's kind of like the door swings wide open.
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  Speaker 4: It's like, hello. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. So, I don't know. Do you have anything else
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  Speaker 6: you've watched lately that you'd like to mention? I was
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  Speaker 6: trying to see if I had any other superhero tie-ins.
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  Speaker 6: I've only got one that's a rewatch, really. So, what
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  Speaker 6: have you got to work with?
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  Speaker 4: Well, amongst, of course, always listening to Movie Meltdown, I've
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  Speaker 4: got my own show, Fanatic Forum. I've been obsessed with
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  Speaker 4: another podcast recently called Video Archives. Are you Are you
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  Speaker 4: familiar with this one?
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  Speaker 6: I think I recently heard about it.
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  Speaker 4: This is a Quentin Tarantino, Roger Avery podcast.
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  Speaker 6: That was the one, yeah. I was like, wait, Tarantino
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  Speaker 6: has a podcast?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Who doesn't? At this point, they just issue you one.
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  Speaker 6: Go to the grocery store and on your way out,
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  Speaker 6: they're like, oh, and here's your sign-up sheet for your podcast.
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  Speaker 4: This is a concept that was made for Tarantino. Because
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  Speaker 4: what it is, the video archives was the name of
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  Speaker 4: the video store that both he and Roger worked at
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  Speaker 4: for a number of years. And then it closed down
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  Speaker 4: and that was, it closed down like, it closed down
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  Speaker 4: and then his career, their careers kind of launched almost,
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  Speaker 4: not quite simultaneously, but pretty close.
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  Speaker 6: What did it close down for?
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  Speaker 4: Basically, they had to move locations. Well, the initial thing was,
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  Speaker 4: because they were like Redondo Beach or something like that.
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  Speaker 4: And so the initial location they were in was super popular.
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  Speaker 4: That was the hangout place. It was the place to be.
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  Speaker 4: It was like Wild and Wooly in its heyday. Because
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  Speaker 4: all the cinephiles hung out there, but it was the
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  Speaker 4: place to be for video people. then they had to
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  Speaker 4: move locations. And the second location was a little bit
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  Speaker 4: further out, wasn't easily as accessible, and they didn't get
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  Speaker 4: as much traffic. And then, of course, you know, things happen.
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  Speaker 4: Video stores start closing down left to right. Yada, yada, yada.
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  Speaker 6: The world has changed.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. But the whole concept is that basically Tarantino and
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  Speaker 4: Avery bought the collection that Video Archives had. Tarantino bought
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  Speaker 4: all the videocassettes. avery brought all the laser discs and
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  Speaker 4: so the entire podcast is them talking about these movies
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  Speaker 4: and reviewing them they pick like a couple of movies
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  Speaker 4: an episode like two or three something like.
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  Speaker 6: That so they can only do things that were in
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  Speaker 6: the video store so it has a time cap on it.
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  Speaker 4: It does have a time cap uh there's a lot
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  Speaker 4: of uh exploitation stuff that's in there because that of
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  Speaker 4: course you know that's obviously that's tarantino's you know who
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  Speaker 4: he is yeah yeah he that's his you know bread
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  Speaker 4: and butter But it's all over the place. They talk
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  Speaker 4: about a lot of A-movies, too. Some known titles. They
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  Speaker 4: talk about some foreign films, too. It's all over the place. Basically,
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  Speaker 4: if you love the kind of movies that Tarantino loves,
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  Speaker 4: when he makes certain movies he appreciates, this is a
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  Speaker 4: fucking great podcast.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: But it's nice because it's got me going out and
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  Speaker 4: watching movies that... Let's see. One-Armed Executioner That's a– I
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  Speaker 4: think it was a movie that was made in– it
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  Speaker 4: was like a Taiwan-made or Malaysian-made film. Yeah. Actually, not
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  Speaker 4: too bad. But it's a revenge film. Basically, dude gets–
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  Speaker 4: his wife is killed. He gets his arm chopped off.
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  Speaker 4: And then he goes after– he learns to fight one-handed
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  Speaker 4: and then goes and goes after the bad guys that
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  Speaker 4: killed his wife and took his arm. There was a
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  Speaker 4: Mexican horror movie called Demonoid. Basically, it's like a possessed hand.
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  Speaker 4: movie the name sounds familiar yeah yeah it was one
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  Speaker 4: of those movies that had like a tremendously awesome box
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  Speaker 4: art and so it's like oh those are the ones
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  Speaker 4: i remember most really yeah it had great it had
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  Speaker 4: great box art and uh fortunately the movie does kind
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  Speaker 4: of live up to the cool box art um that's
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  Speaker 4: good it's a very well-made movie and the practical effects
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  Speaker 4: especially on the crawling hand are amazing. Because, like, you
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  Speaker 4: can't see, like, the wires and you can't, you know.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it was just really well done. I was like,
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  Speaker 6: this is a low-budget Mexican-made movie. It's not like it's Wednesday.
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  Speaker 6: That makes sense.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it wasn't the Addams Family movies where it's CG. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: even then, it was pretty good. It's like, this is
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  Speaker 4: almost better than the hand movie, like the Michael Caine.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: This is better practical effects than that. And that had
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  Speaker 4: a budget. Yeah, that had a budget. At the time.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of those hand scenes where it's crawling are dark.
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  Speaker 4: they do a lot of these like bright daylight, full
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  Speaker 4: on lit room. And here's the hand crawling. It's like,
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  Speaker 4: I don't see how they did that.
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  Speaker 6: So it's just found a possessed disembodied hand.
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  Speaker 4: But it, you know, there's lots of other fun movies, uh,
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  Speaker 4: blind rage, uh, five blind dudes, rob a bank. Um,
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  Speaker 4: and the funny thing is like, it's, it was a
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  Speaker 4: Fred Williamson movie too. Cause like, it was like a,
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  Speaker 4: he was reprising a character he'd done in other movies and,
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  Speaker 4: But Fred Williamson is literally in the last 15 minutes
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  Speaker 4: of the movie. When it's time to bust the guys,
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  Speaker 4: at the end of the movie, he shows up with
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  Speaker 4: the cops. And, like, there's literally one scene of him, like,
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  Speaker 4: we got to take these guys down. All right, chief,
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  Speaker 4: let's go. And then they go and bust the guys,
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  Speaker 4: and that's it.
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  Speaker 6: And it was like, hit that scene. Time to bring
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  Speaker 6: in the big names.
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  Speaker 4: But the whole movie is, like, the blind guys, like,
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  Speaker 4: figuring out the job, kind of like literally working it out,
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  Speaker 4: like how they're going to do it because, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: they're all blind. So you've got to figure out how
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  Speaker 4: to do it and how they've got to put taps
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  Speaker 4: on their shoes so they know who's who and they
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  Speaker 4: don't shoot each other. It's really clever, really well done.
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  Speaker 4: It seems like a lot of extra work. There's a
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  Speaker 4: lot of stuff. The whole three-quarters of the movie is
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  Speaker 4: the setup. the working out the job, performing the job,
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  Speaker 4: and then the chaos that happens after the job. And
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  Speaker 4: then Fred Williamson comes in for the last 10 to
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  Speaker 4: 15 minutes of the movie like, ah, you're under arrest. Oh,
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to kill you. He beats up one dude.
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  Speaker 6: One dude. Again, sometimes these smaller movies just bank on,
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  Speaker 6: this is our name, we can work him in, even
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  Speaker 6: if it's for a scene, we gotta go with it.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm not surprised. That's what you do. But there
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  Speaker 4: was some other stuff. They were talking about Dressed to Kill.
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  Speaker 4: Because Tarantino is a huge De Palma fan. And so
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  Speaker 4: that kind of got me. I haven't seen Dressed to
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  Speaker 4: Kill in about 20 years. I re-watched it in the
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  Speaker 4: last year or so. But one De Palma classic that
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  Speaker 4: was kind of a Wasn't appreciated at the time, but
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  Speaker 4: it's become appreciated now, was Blowout. And I'd never actually
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  Speaker 4: seen that one before. I loved Blowout.
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  Speaker 6: Like, even as a kid, I remember really liking that one,
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  Speaker 6: even though I probably shouldn't have been watching it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: But, yeah, I remember that was one that I really
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  Speaker 6: got attached to at the time, and then I ran
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  Speaker 6: across a copy of the Criterion version. I was like, well, obviously,
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  Speaker 6: I need this. So, yeah, I rewatched it then, and
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  Speaker 6: I want to kind of dig into all the special features, because, yeah,
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  Speaker 6: that was, I think, one of his better, like, there's
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  Speaker 6: some off stuff that De Palma did, but, like, that's
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  Speaker 6: Right in the middle when he was maybe at his
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  Speaker 6: most solid.
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  Speaker 4: And it's kind of funny because, like, he, of course,
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  Speaker 4: uses a lot of the same, you know, visual tricks and,
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  Speaker 4: you know, tricks that he did in Dressed to Kill,
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: which was literally, like, this was his follow-up to Dressed
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: to Kill. Yeah. So, like, it was, like, a couple
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: years later, wasn't it? Nancy Allen once again playing a prostitute.
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: Go to, yeah. Which, of course, they were married at
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: the time, so that's why she got used a lot.
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: But the funny thing was, like, The prostitute she plays
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: in Dressed to Kill is like Nancy Drew, but she
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: also hooks on the side. Whereas the prostitute she plays
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: in Blowout is like.
• 17:07
  Speaker 6: Geez, shucks, I gotta collect $ 5 here. Oh, I'm getting mined.
• 17:12
  Speaker 6: Somehow she's so adorable at doing that and shouldn't be.
• 17:16
  Speaker 6: You should just be like, okay, whatever, let's get rid
• 17:19
  Speaker 6: of this prostitute. But no, because it's Nancy Allen, she
• 17:23
  Speaker 6: makes it work somehow.
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, she is adorable, but you know it's like you're
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: just waiting for her to get murdered. You know it's coming.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:31
  Speaker 6: And it's got such a messed up ending, too. Again,
• 17:35
  Speaker 6: that's one of those things that stuck with me at
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: the time. As a kid, when I was like, movies
• 17:40
  Speaker 6: don't end like this, right? And I was just like, oh.
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: I was like, well then, this is a different kind
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: of movie. Yeah, because... I was watching it, you know,
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: by myself. And then my wife was out somewhere. She
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: comes in for like maybe like the last half hour
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: of the movie. So I was telling her kind of
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: a little bit what it was. And she's kind of
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: paying attention. And then literally sees, you know, at the
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: end where he's like all forlorn that she gets murdered.
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: But he had captured it on audio. And then basically
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: like he's sitting there editing it. And you're like, wait,
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: is he?
• 18:07
  Speaker 6: No.
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: Oh, my God. He's sampling her death rattle. That was
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: the good scream that he finally got was her getting murdered. Free. Oh,
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: that's fucked up. It's a mess. But so good. Yeah.
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: Sorry to spoil like a 50 year old movie here,
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: but God damn.
• 18:26
  Speaker 6: If you haven't seen it, you should watch it. It's amazing.
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah. It was, it was, it was so weird because
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: it bombed in theaters.
• 18:32
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah. It didn't do. Well, I mean, even Dressed
• 18:35
  Speaker 6: to Kill didn't do that good. Like, I think in
• 18:38
  Speaker 6: years later, people look back and go, oh, that was
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: one of his bigger ones. But I'm like, I don't
• 18:42
  Speaker 6: remember it being huge. I think it did better than
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: his earlier smaller budget stuff.
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: But still. It did well, but it was kind of
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: all those things, too. Like, you know, when it hit video,
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: it picked up a little bit more. And, you know,
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: of course, it was infamous for many reasons.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah.
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: It's also so, again, I forgot all the weird aspects
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: that come in halfway through.
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: I was like, oh.
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: Yeah, this is kind of different for as early as
• 19:04
  Speaker 6: it was.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: It's like 80, I think. Yeah, 80 or 81, yeah.
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it was pretty early on to be working in
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: some of the weird things that, you know, nobody was
• 19:11
  Speaker 6: talking about at that time.
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: Well, and it's interesting, too, because De Palma, yeah, because
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: there's a lot of people who have been at a
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: lot of criticism because basically, like, you know, the twist
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: with Michael Caine being trans and being homicidal and whatever else.
• 19:23
  Speaker 6: Which happened a lot in these movies and nobody cared.
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: Question it at the time. They all kind of get
• 19:28
  Speaker 6: re-evaluated these days.
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: But the thing is that people have been critical of
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: the movie, but they also don't realize that De Palma
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: lays his cards down very easily. Like, there's a Donahue clip.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: I mean, I just watched this movie literally less than
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: three weeks ago.
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: It's like there's a Donahue clip where someone who is
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: trans and not homicidal is talking about their story of
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: their sex change. and whatever else. And Donahue is approaching
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: this at a normal– he's not being salacious about it.
• 19:56
  Speaker 6: He was actually pretty good about that in the beginning.
• 19:59
  Speaker 6: I think he had to compete later when all the
• 20:02
  Speaker 6: knockoffs of his.
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: Show came along.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: And he got as trashy as they did. But in
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: the beginning, he was a pretty decent representation of trying
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: to look at actual events going on in the world.
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: De Palma establishes this is the reality of trans people.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: This particular one happens to be a split personality and homicidal. Oh,
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: and one of the personalities wants to have a sex change,
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: but the other personality does not. So this is not normal.
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: Over here, normal. Michael Caine, not normal. So De Palma's
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: very good about establishing that and saying, let's be a
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: little sensitive. Like, okay, this is a cool gimmick here,
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: but it's also let's be sensitive to the real people
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: who actually are going through something like this. and are
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: not homicidal split personality.
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: Well, I wasn't. Again, I was going to try to
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: steer more towards superhero rewatches, but since we're on random
• 20:58
  Speaker 6: weird stuff, and one that I knew of, I didn't
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: expect what was about to happen. And while we're on
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: creepy people, this is not so much Brian De Palma,
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: but as directors go, have you seen Match Point?
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: Oh, the Woody Allen?
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it is like.
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: I did not see that.
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's a Woody Allen movie, so I very
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: much expect some sort of relationship drama, blah, blah, whatever.
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: Sometimes he throws in a little comedy, but this seemed
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: like it was leaning more towards relationship drama.
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, whatever.
• 21:31
  Speaker 6: And you get more than halfway. It's like two-thirds of
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: the way through that movie, and it takes a turn
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: that I won't necessarily spoil. I don't know that anybody's
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: lining up to watch a Woody Allen movie at this point.
• 21:42
  Speaker 6: I was even kind of... If it didn't have, I
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: guess there's my tie and it had Scarlet. And I'm like, well,
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: I kind of want to see this performance because it
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: was right at that. point when she was breaking out
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: and becoming scarlett johansson but she was no wasn't quite
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: what she is in today so yeah.
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: It was more like she was you know like this
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: was a few movies after uh ghost world yeah so
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: she was being well known as an actress and a
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: critical darling before she became black widow.
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah establishing herself but not your big a-lister that you
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: know you go to first on the list for any
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: upcoming movie where she was just like oh, this girl
• 22:14
  Speaker 6: is ridiculously attractive and I want her in my movie.
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: And then you get to this movie and I'm like,
• 22:18
  Speaker 6: oh no, Woody Allen knows. And like, he so makes
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: use of that. And it works for what they're trying
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: to do in this movie. So it's like, she's perfectly
• 22:27
  Speaker 6: used in a movie that is a bunch of weird,
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: you know, British people. Like she's the one lone American
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: and she's very like out of her element and kind
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: of forced into this scenario and is like, sort of
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: coasting on it in the beginning, and then as time
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: goes on, things get a little more complicated, as relationship
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: dramas do. And yeah, we get... And like I said,
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: I won't spoil it, but two-thirds of the way through,
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: it changes gears in a way that I did not
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: see coming.
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: And it's good, yeah. It's impressive.
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's not necessarily a fun movie, but again,
• 23:02
  Speaker 6: when do you go to Woody Allen.
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: For fun anymore?
• 23:05
  Speaker 8: Well, I.
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: Much like I would say that Inside Man is a
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: Spike Lee movie for people who don't like Spike Lee,
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: Match Point is a Woody Allen movie for people who
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: don't like Woody Allen movies.
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: Because you could safely say I've seen a Woody Allen movie,
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: but that movie is Match Point, which is unlike anything
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: he's ever done before. It starts off like you would think.
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: There's a little bit of a twist to it. The
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: whole British side of things is a little different. Yeah,
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: which is weird.
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: And that they're talking so much about tennis in the beginning.
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: I was like... Does Woody Allen really know this much
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: about tennis? Or is it a recent obsession or something
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: like that? Because it's not even normal novice tennis. He
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: was on the circuit. He was a professional tennis player,
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: and they're making those kind of, if you're at that level,
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: the kind of conversations you would have.
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: And I'm like.
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: Did he have to do research, I suppose? Because I
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: don't think Woody Allen's that level of tennis.
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: But yeah, I don't know. This isn't like Luke Wilson
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: and the Royal Tenenbaums where like, okay, one of the
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: kids plays tennis, but you just see him in the gear.
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: We don't actually talk about tennis.
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: You just put a funny headband on and you're a
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: tennis player.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: But this is kind of like, if you enjoy tennis,
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: the real ins and outs of it, this is some
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: fan service. In the first 20 minutes or so, yeah.
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: Then it veers in a different direction for that middle part,
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: and then it takes a hard left turn.
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: But, yeah, it definitely surprised me, but in a good way. So, yeah,
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: I haven't seen it probably since it came out. But, yeah,
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: it's definitely worth checking out.
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I did not expect it to not only do
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: what it did, but I also didn't, like, I think
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: I was mixing it up with all the other ones
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: because then, again, no surprise being who he is, he
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: really likes Scarlett Johansson and wanted to use her. So
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: I'm pretty sure at some point I'll watch the one
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: where she's like, trying to solve a mystery and it's
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: way more comedy. And like, was that the movie that
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: was that after match point or was it before? Cause
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: he did like two with her right. I know right
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: in a row. I can't, what was that one? Cause
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: isn't like one of the guys is dead and she's
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: like talking to this ghost and trying to solve a
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: mystery or something.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I know what that one is, but it's the,
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: you know, the, scorpion woman or something like that or.
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: Curse of the jade scorpion but that wasn't her that's
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: not the one i'm thinking of but it's not sleuth
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: that's michael cain again but i'm thinking it's like a
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: one word something like that that came out right around
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: that same time scoop that's the one see i told
• 25:36
  Speaker 6: you it was close to that yeah so yeah i
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: remember seeing scoop and then i at the same time
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: sort of in the span of a couple years that
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: wimbledon movie which didn't that have kirsten dunst or something
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: like somehow i rolled all those into one and i
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: keep going now wait which one is this is this
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: a comedy is she solving a mystery are they at
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: wimbledon like i knew there was like way too many
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: things all kind of rolled into one at that time
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: period i was like I'm going to have to watch
• 26:02
  Speaker 6: this and figure out which one it is. And yeah,
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: I did not expect it to.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: Be that serious, number one.
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: And then definitely not the serious level it gets to
• 26:10
  Speaker 6: by the end of the movie.
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so Match Point came first in 2005 and then
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: Scoop followed the next year. So there you go.
• 26:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Scoop is pretty goofy, if I remember. And I
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: don't mean in a bad way because, again, I like
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: Scarlett Johansson.
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: So I enjoyed it, but....
• 26:24
  Speaker 6: Even for Woody Allen, it's kind of a different level
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: of goofy.
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: Oh, and then the third film he did with her,
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: Vicky Cristina Barcelona, in 2008. Again, I think he just
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: likes Scarlett. He just likes Scarlett, yeah. I mean, I
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: get it, but he's on a different level.
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to think what else here. Well, of course,
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: I've been binging Only Murderers in the Building on Hulu.
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: As you should. One of my favorite shows ever.
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: I basically did the first season in two days, and
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: so I'm stretching out the second season a little bit more,
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: but I've only got like three episodes left, so I'm
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: waiting third season now.
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: It goes quickly, yeah. Even this last season, I was
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: watching it weekly, and I was like, oh wait, it's
• 27:08
  Speaker 6: already done? It seemed like it wrapped up even faster
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: the second season than the first, so.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because I'm a sucker for anything Martin Short. And
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: then when he and Steve Martin get together, it's just magic.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: And Selena Gomez is killing it, man. That was my thing.
• 27:23
  Speaker 6: I was like, I went into it because of Selena,
• 27:26
  Speaker 6: because I'm already a Selena dork. But, I mean, I
• 27:28
  Speaker 6: grew up Steve Martin more than anything. And I had
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: a weird thing for Martin Short. He's back and forth.
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: He can be solid, and then he can be crazy
• 27:38
  Speaker 6: over the top. And, like, he finds a nice balance
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: in that. Like, he's so, like, goofy Martin Short. And
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: then he'll, like, once or twice a season just deliver
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: a scene that you're like, oh, I forgot he can act. Like,
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: if called upon, he can actually be a serious actor.
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: But most of the time, he's still kind of goofy
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: Martin Short.
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's my favorite, Martin Short. I've probably seen, like,
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: Three Amigos and Inner Space dozens upon dozens of times.
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: SCTV stuff. Oh, yeah. Very, very brief stint on SNL.
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: You know, that's the thing. He was on SNL for
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: barely a season, but created the Ed Grimley character, and
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: then now he's an iconic SNL cast member because of
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: one sketch.
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: That's the thing. I remember that was the go-to when
• 28:25
  Speaker 6: I was a kid for him. It was like, yeah,
• 28:28
  Speaker 6: my cousin and I thought Ed Grimley was the funniest
• 28:30
  Speaker 6: thing ever. And like, so yeah, just waited every Saturday.
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: Like, are they going to do another one?
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: Are they going to? So that was its own level
• 28:37
  Speaker 6: of dorkiness.
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: But yeah, he's... He's an interesting guy. And then being
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: a movie fan, especially like, you know, movie. I kind
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: of have a love-hate with movie critics because there's some
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: that are really good. But then, of course, they end
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: up trashing movies I like. I'm like, you're an idiot.
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: But Jiminy Glick was the best.
• 28:55
  Speaker 6: I mean, he just, talk about, again, talk about over
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: the top, but commitment. Like, he was knee deep in
• 29:02
  Speaker 6: the insanity on that and just never breaks. Like, he
• 29:06
  Speaker 6: is just crazy. So committed to that ridiculousness.
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: And it was kind of groundbreaking at the time because
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: this was before Sacha Baron Cohen doing Ali G. This
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: is before Zach Galifianakis doing Between Two Ferns. So it's
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: like he was doing the exact same of I am
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: a character. I'm doing cringe comedy. I'm going to make
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: you feel uncomfortable or even anger you. And I hope
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: to do that for the sake of comedy. And I'm
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: going to be committed 100%.
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: And even funnier if you're like a fan of you
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: know movies and celebrities in general because he's just does
• 29:40
  Speaker 6: not know who any of these people are and like
• 29:42
  Speaker 6: it doesn't phase him like and would get them the
• 29:45
  Speaker 6: actual actors in to do this and would just like
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: one slap in the face after another of like not
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: knowing who they are not knowing what movies like confusing
• 29:54
  Speaker 6: them for the wrong people like Just that kind of stuff.
• 29:57
  Speaker 6: And like, again, it wasn't fully scripted and you couldn't
• 30:01
  Speaker 6: tell exactly how far he was gonna push it with them.
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: And yeah, that was... And very, very, very vacuous sort
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: of personality.
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: But, you know, of course, just like anybody who is
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: a film fan or you're a film critic or you're
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: in the industry or whatever else, you've got your favorite
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: era of Hollywood. And that's what you're obsessed with. That's
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: your knowledge base. But it doesn't extend from there.
• 30:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: So it's like if you're talking to, you know, Vanessa Redgrave, okay, cool. Yeah,
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: I can talk about some stuff you've been in and
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: I've enjoyed things. I've seen movies you're in. I know
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: who you are, but you bring in like a current star.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: Who are you? What have you done? I'm, you know,
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: Justin Timberlake. You know, my records do all this stuff.
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: My movies do all this stuff. You know, I'm well known.
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: I'm a big star. Who are you? You know, it's
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: kind of like, yeah. Great stuff. I've been wanting to
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: watch the show for a while, but I'm on the
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: murder train now. Yeah, it's pretty awesome. But yeah, so
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: basically the Tarantino podcast, watching movies they're talking about that
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: I've never seen, and then only murders. That's what I've
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: been jamming on.
• 31:11
  Speaker 6: Which, I guess, if you haven't gotten to the end
• 31:14
  Speaker 6: of this season, you may have already seen promos for
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: the next season.
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: I have not. There is.
• 31:18
  Speaker 6: Definitely a crossover with where we're going today.
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: That's cool, okay.
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: It'll be interesting when you get to the end of
• 31:24
  Speaker 6: the season, because I did not see what's coming.
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: I'm very good about kind of staying off social media
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: for certain things or missing certain things I have a
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: talent for it I know what I'm supposed to know
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: and if I'm not supposed to know something I have
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: a talent for missing it so I didn't even know
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: a season I knew they were working on a season
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: 3 I didn't know it's on the way in the
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: relative future yeah it's pretty close so that's great because
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: I'm going to have to wait too long after I
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: get season 2 finished.
• 31:54
  Speaker 6: Well with that should we go ahead and jump to
• 31:58
  Speaker 6: this movie of the episode.
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: I will, but I've got to plug your show once here,
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: just because I watched the, you all talked about Choose
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: or Die with Nora and Phillip.
• 32:10
  Speaker 6: Sorry about that.
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: Well, the funny thing was, I actually watched that episode,
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: I saw that movie before you guys talked about it.
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: So I'm like, hey, it's the first time I'm ahead
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: of you guys. Because most of the time I'm like, oh,
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: you all were talking about something, and I'll go and
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: watch it after you all talked about it. Or I'll
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: watch it before you all talk about it. But in
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: this case, I was like, I was prepared. And I agree.
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: That was just... It's so clunky.
• 32:33
  Speaker 6: Like, it's got good ideas, but few and far between
• 32:38
  Speaker 6: compared to what you're served up all hour and a
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: half or however long.
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so, but yeah. And I felt back as, of course,
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: there was one time, like, Nora made a recommendation about
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: a movie, and I'm like, oh yeah, that was great.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: It was the YouTuber guy that got in the haunted
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: house movie. Yeah, that was great. Deadstreams. That's what, yeah,
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: I think. I think that's what it's called, Deadstreams? Deadstream,
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: something like that. Something like that, yeah. But Philip had
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: made a recommendation about something, was talking about something. I
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: can't remember what it was, though, and I agreed with
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: Philip about his recommendation. And I, sorry, Philip, but.
• 33:11
  Speaker 6: I feel like he's done more series lately, so it
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: might have been one of those.
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: I know he watched Cabinet of Curiosities. What else have
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: we talked about? But it seemed like he's done series lately. Yeah,
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: I can't remember. There was something that Philip recommended and
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: I was in agreeance with him on that. So I
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: want to give him a shout out this time to
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: not make him feel left out.
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: Well, I'm glad someone's taking to heart these important things
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: that we're discussing.
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 33:40
  Speaker 6: I mean, normally I don't try to make it quite
• 33:42
  Speaker 6: so obvious, but I sort of Showing our hand in
• 33:45
  Speaker 6: the title of that one. I couldn't not. Like, I
• 33:48
  Speaker 6: got to it and I was like, ah, damn it.
• 33:50
  Speaker 6: I'm going to have to title the episode Snooze or Die.
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 33:54
  Speaker 6: Not really a secret how we felt about it right
• 33:56
  Speaker 6: from the get-go.
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: It's bad. I tell you what, there's a couple of
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: cool comics I'm reading right now. One is definitely... There's
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: one that's being made into a movie, Warner Brothers doing it,
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: called Night of the Ghoul. I think I talked about
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: this one before. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, Warner Brothers
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: said they're going to make a movie out of it.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: It was three issues. It was amazing. Great kind of
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: like just slam the door in your dick kind of ending,
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: as all great horror movies should be. And then there's
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: another series. I'm waiting for the last issue, but it's
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: from Boom Studios. It's called The Approach. And this one
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: I've been highly recommending to people. This is basically the
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: thing in a small airport. Because basically you've got a small,
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: I think it's like Colorado. Basically some place that would
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: have a lot of snow. And so this is a
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: skeleton crew, tiny airport. They don't normally get big commercial
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: airliners in. But a commercial airliner has to land because
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: of the weather. Like these people are going to like
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: Panama or something like that and they're all. In swim trunks,
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: ready to go to the sun, and like, ah, you
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: gotta go outside in the snow and hang out in
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: this airport for a little bit. Well, as they're deplaning everybody,
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: a second plane lands. And it's a small charter plane,
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: like a little single-edged Cessna sort of thing like that.
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: There's a single passenger aboard, and as soon as he
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: crash lands, things aren't quite right with this fella. And
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: so basically... What starts from there is basically people getting
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: eaten one by one. The third issue is the greatest
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: because it's the part of the movie where the body
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: count is the highest. It's the assholes and elbows, kind
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: of like everybody's getting chased. But there's a big showdown
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: kind of thing like that. Fourth issue is a big
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: cliffhanger with the main character. So it's such a fun comic.
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: I'm like, I hope this gets turned into a movie.
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: But yeah, it's called The Approach. It's a five-issue series. uh,
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: issue five at this point has not come out yet,
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: but it's coming out, I think in a couple of weeks.
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: So now I'm trying to, that, that just reminded me
• 35:54
  Speaker 6: of when I watched, I think.
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: It was right around the beginning of the year. Um,
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: no exit. Have you seen no exit?
• 36:02
  Speaker 6: It just reminded me because it is like, it's also
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: kind of maybe more, um, Tarantino, the thing.
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: Okay. What's his version of it? Um, The thing?
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: Hateful Eight.
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: Oh!
• 36:18
  Speaker 6: It's way more Hateful Eight because it's here's a very
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: isolated situation made that way by snow. So it's like
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: a girl that gets out of an institution essentially. She's
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: basically getting there for drugs or alcohol or whatever and
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: is trying to get to her mom who's sick in
• 36:37
  Speaker 6: the hospital so she essentially escapes. And then they get
• 36:40
  Speaker 6: to this rest stop and they're snowed in. And she
• 36:44
  Speaker 6: gets there and is like stuck with this like five
• 36:46
  Speaker 6: people or so.
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: And then she walks outside to like see if she
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: can get bars on her phone or something. And she
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: gets to this van and there's a girl tied up
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: in the back of like a little girl tied up
• 36:57
  Speaker 6: in the back of the van.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 36:59
  Speaker 6: And she's like, okay, some, and she, it's locked. So
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: she can't even get in there to let her free.
• 37:04
  Speaker 6: So she's like, now not only do I want to
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: find a way to save this girl, but I have
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: to figure out who I'm trapped in here with. is
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: a kidnapper that's taking off with this young girl. That's cool.
• 37:16
  Speaker 6: It's an interesting scenario. Yeah, I liked the setup because, again,
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: it's very Thing. It's very Hateful Eight. So it's trying
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: to figure out the whodunit in the middle of a
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: snowstorm where everybody's locked in.
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: Okay, okay. Yeah, that just reminded me. Yeah, it's not bad.
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: I enjoyed it. I'll have to check that out. Yeah,
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: currently streaming on Hulu.
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that's how I got to it. I
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: already had it from the last round of only murders
• 37:42
  Speaker 6: in the building. I'm still keep finding things of like,
• 37:45
  Speaker 6: am I going to keep this till next time?
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: And then now I've watched so many things along the way.
• 37:49
  Speaker 6: I'm like, all right, I guess I'm just riding it
• 37:51
  Speaker 6: out till the next one.
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: And another movie, of course, it's kind of just, it
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: seems in the same theme, Identity came out like, what
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: was it, mid-2000s? Yeah. With John Cusack and a bunch
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: of the people in it where it's like they're all...
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: The little motels set up. They're all reigned in the
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: motel and there's a nice big twist at the end with,
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 38:09
  Speaker 6: I haven't re-watched that. It's one of those I keep...
• 38:12
  Speaker 6: I think of it semi-regularly. I think it was pretty
• 38:15
  Speaker 6: well done. I watched it a couple of years... A
• 38:18
  Speaker 6: little bit like About a year or so ago. And yeah,
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: it still holds up still good. I feel like at
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: the time I thought the movie was better than the twist. Like,
• 38:26
  Speaker 6: I feel like the whole lead up was so good
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: that I was like, oh, okay, whatever. Like, I'm just like,
• 38:31
  Speaker 6: it's fine. But I'm like, I think I enjoyed the
• 38:33
  Speaker 6: movie as a whole better than the gimmickness of what
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: it ends up being.
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: I would agree. Yeah. The performances and the lead up
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: and the suspense because you're basically, it's like, oh, people
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: are getting murdered. Yeah. Who's the murderer? And yeah, sort
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: of thing like that. And then there's a bigger twist
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: kind of. encompassing the whole thing, and you're like, oh, okay.
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: I guess, yeah. I was like, it doesn't ruin the
• 38:54
  Speaker 6: movie for me, but I enjoyed it more when it
• 38:57
  Speaker 6: was doing what it was doing in the beginning versus
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: where it ends.
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I would agree. But it's still pretty solid. Again,
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: good performances.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: So yeah, so there you go. A bunch of different
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: stuff to watch, folks.
• 39:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah, there you go. Snow yourself in and watch several
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: of these movies.
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: There you go, yeah.
• 39:13
  Speaker 6: All right, I guess we will get into it. Yep.
• 39:17
  Speaker 8: Get more out of life. Go out to a movie.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: Out of town. Out of town. Out of the night.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Out of town.
• 39:33
  Speaker 8: You're an interesting man, Scott Lang. You're an Avenger. You
• 39:44
  Speaker 8: have a daughter. But you've lost a lot of time,
• 39:49
  Speaker 8: like me. We can help each other with that.
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: Who are you?
• 40:04
  Speaker 8: I'm the man who can give you the one thing
• 40:07
  Speaker 8: you want. What's that? Time.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: I can rewrite existence.
• 40:21
  Speaker 8: And shatter timelines.
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: You cannot trust him. I don't care who this guy is.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: I just lost so much.
• 40:33
  Speaker 6: He can give us a second chance.
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: Let me make this easy for you.
• 40:49
  Speaker 8: You will bring me what I need. or everything you
• 40:53
  Speaker 8: call life will end.
• 40:55
  Speaker 7: This is all my fault.
• 41:08
  Speaker 8: You may not want her to watch this.
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: We had a deal.
• 41:21
  Speaker 8: You thought you could win.
• 41:23
  Speaker 6: I don't have to win. We both just have to lose.
• 41:32
  Speaker 7: I'm sorry, Cassie.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: What I'm saying here, looking at you, I don't see.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: I'm looking straight through the suicide. When you're young, to
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: be told, you're the first I want. Like a chip box,
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: I do some flavor. Yeah, yeah, that music's plastic. It's dirty,
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: so try another flavor. I do some flavor. I do
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: some flavor. I do some flavor.
• 42:25
  Speaker 6: This super series out on the town feature is Ant-Man
• 42:29
  Speaker 6: and the Wasp Quantamania.
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: In Quantamania.
• 42:34
  Speaker 6: Going to Snowdin, Quantamania.
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: Not quite Snowdin. It's Cerebral Snow. And as we see
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: from the credits, we know you can't spell Quantamania without Ant-Man.
• 42:47
  Speaker 6: I see what they did. So, the year is 2023.
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: The director is Peyton Reed, once again. And they plot,
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: according to IMDb, Scott Lang and Hope Van Dyke, along
• 43:03
  Speaker 6: with Hank Pym, and why do we need the whole
• 43:04
  Speaker 6: roll call?
• 43:05
  Speaker 8: Jesus.
• 43:06
  Speaker 6: Explore the quantum realm where they interact with strange creatures
• 43:10
  Speaker 6: and embark on an adventure that goes beyond the limits
• 43:13
  Speaker 6: of what they thought was possible. Boom, boom, boom. Spoiler alert,
• 43:18
  Speaker 6: we're gonna ruin the hell out of this, so... Hopefully,
• 43:21
  Speaker 6: you've already gone to the theater and seen it yourself.
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: If not, go do.
• 43:26
  Speaker 6: That right now.
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: I've gone twice already. I saw it opening night and
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: then I took my wife for a matinee today. So
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: opening weekend, I gave them some money twice.
• 43:37
  Speaker 6: I'm sure they appreciate it. The theater system is not
• 43:41
  Speaker 6: what it used to be.
• 43:42
  Speaker 7: It is not.
• 43:43
  Speaker 6: I do kind of wonder where... That's a weird thing
• 43:45
  Speaker 6: we could have gone into at the opening of the show.
• 43:48
  Speaker 6: That some theaters now, we won't name names... Are going
• 43:51
  Speaker 6: to start charging more for the good seats. That's a
• 43:54
  Speaker 6: whole little, if you're in movie world on the internet,
• 43:58
  Speaker 6: that's what everybody's having a hissy fit over and going
• 44:00
  Speaker 6: to complain about.
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: The question is though, what do they deem good seats?
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: Are we talking like center of the theater? I think center.
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: The perfect spot between the speakers?
• 44:07
  Speaker 6: So if you're like an aisle person, you're probably fine.
• 44:09
  Speaker 6: Because I doubt they're going to do more to sit
• 44:11
  Speaker 6: on the aisle because that's not. That's not really ideal placement-wise,
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: but convenience-wise, you don't have to climb over people. Sure.
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, the middle's fine. I traditionally would
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: like to go to the middle, but also I'm a
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: big fan of the back. of the theater. And because
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: usually that's, I mean, not for illicit purposes.
• 44:34
  Speaker 6: No, I'm just, my knee-jerk reaction is to say fuck
• 44:36
  Speaker 6: the back row. That's for other reasons outside of.
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: You know. Yeah, but in recent years, especially with like,
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: you know, the lounge chairs that are in theaters now,
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: stuff like that, I like the back row because you
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: get a little more room and basically if people have
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: to cross in front of you, they don't have to
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: do that awkward, sorry, you know, because basically my feet
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: happen to stick out further than i'm a tall guy
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: well even if.
• 45:02
  Speaker 6: You're not there's not a lot of room in between
• 45:04
  Speaker 6: that is something i've realized re-entering into society again going
• 45:08
  Speaker 6: back to the theaters after the shutdown of the world
• 45:11
  Speaker 6: i don't remember it being such a thing beforehand but
• 45:15
  Speaker 6: now i guess i got so used to not being
• 45:16
  Speaker 6: around humans for two years straight that like now when
• 45:19
  Speaker 6: i go to like today i went to the theater
• 45:21
  Speaker 6: to see this movie and there was someone on both
• 45:24
  Speaker 6: sides of me and i'm just like I don't remember
• 45:26
  Speaker 6: being this weirded out by being boxed in by human beings.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:30
  Speaker 6: They were relatively well behaved. I was actually enjoying the
• 45:33
  Speaker 6: conversation of the guys on my left. Cause they were like,
• 45:37
  Speaker 6: they were kind of into movies and they were having
• 45:40
  Speaker 6: their own little conversation.
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: Oh, cool.
• 45:42
  Speaker 6: The other side, not as much.
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: And then see, you know, back in the day, I loved,
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: you know, hanging out with the cinephiles or whatnot. Or,
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: you know, if you're going to like a fan screening
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: or whatnot, like everybody there is, is a fan, you know,
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: you know your Marvel stuff or you know your Star
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: Wars stuff or Harry Potter or whatever the thing happens
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: to be. You know, if it's a fan screening, those
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: are the best because everybody's there for the movie. You're
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: there to celebrate the movie, especially if it's an older movie.
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: We've already seen it before. So there's a lot of cheering.
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of this and that. So it makes
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: a lot of fun. It depends on the movie, I think, too.
• 46:17
  Speaker 6: I mean, I still really like the theatrical experience as
• 46:21
  Speaker 6: a whole. I love the... Aesthetics of a theater in general.
• 46:25
  Speaker 6: And then on top of that, watching it with an
• 46:27
  Speaker 6: audience is a different thing.
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: Sure.
• 46:29
  Speaker 6: I remember, not as much with recent ones, but when
• 46:34
  Speaker 6: we're talking in the Marvel world, we're talking the Endgame.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:39
  Speaker 6: I mean, there were... applause moments in the theater you
• 46:44
  Speaker 6: know it's like you don't crying moments you don't yeah
• 46:46
  Speaker 6: definitely crying but i mean you don't get applause in
• 46:49
  Speaker 6: theaters anymore like it's not a normal thing so when
• 46:52
  Speaker 6: you get that kind of like into the movie same
• 46:55
  Speaker 6: thing with horror horror is always kind of fun i
• 46:57
  Speaker 6: do remember really enjoying the the scream now that it's
• 47:01
  Speaker 6: come full circle we're about to do that again but
• 47:03
  Speaker 6: yeah the scream experience last year was really fun because
• 47:06
  Speaker 6: people were into it and like getting super freaked out
• 47:10
  Speaker 6: about things. So I remember that, but I don't know,
• 47:13
  Speaker 6: for the most part, it's hard to readjust to sitting
• 47:16
  Speaker 6: in a room with these people.
• 47:17
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: It kind of, uh, one lost genre or standup comedy films.
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: Cause those used to be quite frequent.
• 47:24
  Speaker 6: It's not. Well, that's cause I mean, everybody gets a
• 47:28
  Speaker 6: Netflix show.
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah. So like, it's just not a reason for streaming
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: and cable. So I got, but it used to be like, especially,
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: you know, even in the eighties and nineties, uh, stand-up
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: comedy films were quite frequent. And I loved going to
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: those because it's basically like going to see the person
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: live anyway. But way cheaper.
• 47:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but cheaper.
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you saw Eddie Murphy for about probably $ 50 less than.
• 47:51
  Speaker 6: You would have.
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: At least. Or the Kings of Comedy or whatever else.
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: But yeah, going to see a stand-up movie with a
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: full audience is a lot of fun. That's a different thing.
• 48:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you probably won't get much these days. No.
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: Now, I mean, of course, nowadays they have, like, the
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: events they do or, like, you know, for, you know,
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: they'll sometimes do, like, sporting events or concerts or something
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: like that at movie theaters. You know, they'll, like, you know,
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: stream it in or whatever else. Or, like, you know,
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: the one-off, you know, Japanese anime movie or Godzilla movie
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: where they show it only one time. Yeah. And it's
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: an event thing there. So they do a lot of
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: that stuff. So that's kind of the newer aspect of
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: that now because that's a ready-made audience. Like, that's a
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: specific event. You're going there for that. And there may
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: be cheering involved.
• 48:38
  Speaker 6: It's more interesting now because they keep... Again, I only
• 48:42
  Speaker 6: say I don't go to things that would enlighten me
• 48:45
  Speaker 6: or broaden my mind. So when you see the commercials
• 48:49
  Speaker 6: beforehand of when.
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: They do ballet that is being... beamed into.
• 48:53
  Speaker 6: The theater and you're watching it essentially live or if
• 48:56
  Speaker 6: not a really well done or a musical or something
• 48:58
  Speaker 6: yeah and then yeah today they ran a promo for
• 49:02
  Speaker 6: uh tons of like plays that they're doing that are
• 49:04
  Speaker 6: like full-on productions only you can go watch it at
• 49:07
  Speaker 6: your movie theater and i'm like that's cool that that's
• 49:10
  Speaker 6: an option now yeah i'm probably not going to.
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: But yeah i like that it's a thing that people
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: can do so you know and it's got everything to
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: do with the fact that basically you know movie theaters
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: switching over to digital so there's no film anymore yeah
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: um and that they're desperate for anything to bring money
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: reason to come to the theater please do yeah e-town's
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: had a little bit of a whether this is a
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: good thing or a bad thing but basically uh the
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: area used to have three movie theaters now we have
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: one yeah but the two movie theaters that closed down
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: were family-owned They were, you know, there's some people that
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: have a lot of nostalgia to them. I don't share
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: that nostalgia. I like my modern amenities in a theater.
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: I like the theater to be clean. I like to
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: be a nice place. I mean, I don't mind an
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: old theater, but mop the damn floor, you know?
• 49:56
  Speaker 6: And you didn't realize, like, again, I went to a
• 49:59
  Speaker 6: handful of the old school theaters growing up, and, like,
• 50:02
  Speaker 6: you didn't realize what you were missing before stadium seating
• 50:07
  Speaker 6: came along, and, like, So the handful of times I
• 50:10
  Speaker 6: would go to the one that is now closed that
• 50:12
  Speaker 6: still had old time seating, I was like, oh, this
• 50:15
  Speaker 6: is why we got rid of this. Now I realize
• 50:18
  Speaker 6: because I can't see the screen half the time because
• 50:20
  Speaker 6: there's some weirdo right in front of you. And like
• 50:22
  Speaker 6: it just like this is why we changed that. And
• 50:25
  Speaker 6: like that's technically better. You know, I enjoy this shit.
• 50:30
  Speaker 6: The screening better when I can see and not have
• 50:33
  Speaker 6: to worry about people.
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 50:34
  Speaker 6: So, yeah, I mean, there's reasons, but I still miss
• 50:37
  Speaker 6: the old ones.
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so it kind of makes you miss the old Vogue,
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: doesn't it? Yeah. And your cavernous one theater. I mean,
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: that's the thing. It's like, if you want to sit
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: in the front row of the Vogue theater, you were
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: prepared for a walk. Because that's a... It was huge.
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: It was a big house.
• 50:51
  Speaker 6: Well, that was... And that was a long trek down.
• 50:53
  Speaker 6: And that was the reason I said, fuck the background.
• 50:57
  Speaker 6: Of my many nights at the Vogue at midnight, where
• 51:00
  Speaker 6: that's a thing you say at least once a session.
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 51:05
  Speaker 6: But yeah, it's a different world today.
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: It is.
• 51:10
  Speaker 6: Where would you like to begin on this one?
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: Well, this is our setup, I guess, for the next
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: phase for Marvel here. Because we had kind of our
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: rebuilding phase with Phase 4. We had to introduce a
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: whole bunch.
• 51:23
  Speaker 6: Of new characters.
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: Kind of some new teams, a new status, because basically
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: Endgame basically changed everything. Yeah. And even in this movie,
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: there's a couple of references that, you know, basically like,
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: you know, we're still dealing with a lot of homelessness
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: of people who got blipped out for five years and
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: came back.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: You know, somebody's living in their house or somebody's married
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: to their wife or husband.
• 51:43
  Speaker 6: Guess what? They replaced you on your job because you
• 51:45
  Speaker 6: were gone for five years.
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, so it shook the world, you know,
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: and its effects we're seeing, you know, several years down
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: the road.
• 51:53
  Speaker 6: That's maybe the thing I like best out of this
• 51:57
  Speaker 6: post-in-game world is, like, it's minor. I think that's why
• 52:01
  Speaker 6: it's so impressive is, like, Starting with that second Spider-Man movie,
• 52:05
  Speaker 6: we go through each time we have a new either
• 52:08
  Speaker 6: show or movie, we have an extra little snippet, just
• 52:12
  Speaker 6: a little mention here and there. Or you might see something,
• 52:15
  Speaker 6: you know, maybe a little more big and crazy. But
• 52:18
  Speaker 6: there's a lot of world building that goes on in
• 52:20
  Speaker 6: the background. And it's like that stuff I appreciate that
• 52:24
  Speaker 6: they are bothering to put that much. Because, again, if
• 52:27
  Speaker 6: you're going to make this the huge undertaking that it
• 52:30
  Speaker 6: is to put all these movies together... you don't want
• 52:33
  Speaker 6: to just one off them and have them not have
• 52:35
  Speaker 6: anything to do with each other. Whereas they have put
• 52:38
  Speaker 6: so much time and effort into this world building that
• 52:41
  Speaker 6: literally like these little mentions here and there just continues
• 52:45
  Speaker 6: to build this universe that.
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: They put together.
• 52:48
  Speaker 6: It's that, that's the stuff that I am kind of
• 52:50
  Speaker 6: like attached to from one to the other. Sometimes I
• 52:53
  Speaker 6: look back and I'm like, eh, I don't like that
• 52:55
  Speaker 6: movie as much, but I think I'm a little things
• 52:57
  Speaker 6: with all of them and it.
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: Makes a more impressive sort of overall system.
• 53:01
  Speaker 6: Sure.
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: And that, that's, That's Marvel. That's basically how they've been
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: since the word go. There's so much world building, certain
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: events or people being introduced in throwaway books or issues
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: or things nobody cares about, stuff like that. But suddenly
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: that person becomes important later. So we're seeing so much
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: of that. So now we've kind of gone past the
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: rebuilding things. Now Ant-Mans are like, okay, now we're getting
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: some serious. We're starting to establish... Our new threat here.
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: Our new Thanos-level threat, and the man's name is Kang.
• 53:35
  Speaker 6: And not to jump ahead, but if anybody... That has
• 53:40
  Speaker 6: been kind of the make or break with so many
• 53:42
  Speaker 6: superhero movies on both sides of the fence there, Marvel
• 53:46
  Speaker 6: and DC.
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: But there's so many Marvels.
• 53:48
  Speaker 6: That there were a lot along the way that I'm like, well,
• 53:51
  Speaker 6: it's a little lacking in the villain department. But this one,
• 53:55
  Speaker 6: you get to this, and I'm like, it is.
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: Kind of hard to.
• 53:59
  Speaker 6: Especially when you're going to come up with a big
• 54:01
  Speaker 6: bad and you're coming after Thanos. It's like you've got
• 54:04
  Speaker 6: a lot to live up to.
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: He did a hell of a job.
• 54:08
  Speaker 6: It is one of those I was concerned going in,
• 54:10
  Speaker 6: even after seeing Loki wrap up.
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, alright, we'll see. This will be interesting,
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: but I don't know.
• 54:17
  Speaker 6: He's got an uphill battle. And then you get to
• 54:19
  Speaker 6: this movie and I'm like, no, he delivers. He is definitely...
• 54:24
  Speaker 6: commands the screen when he's on there even in the
• 54:27
  Speaker 6: quieter moments yeah he is always kind of threatening even
• 54:30
  Speaker 6: when he's not attempting to be threatening and by the
• 54:33
  Speaker 6: time he just gets pissed by the end you're just
• 54:36
  Speaker 6: like oh no he's a threat like he is a
• 54:38
  Speaker 6: legit threat.
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: So that's the thing that's so fascinating about the character
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: of Kang anyway and they really did a good job
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: of encompassing this in the movie is that this is
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: a man of hundreds of facets you know you never
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: know which Kang you're technically dealing with because there are
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: so many variants so many different stages of his life
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: because you know being a traveler being a conqueror he
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: has we don't know exactly how old he is no
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: we know originally he is from the future he's from
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: like the 24th 25th century something like that and basically
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: kind of got into time travel was an explorer whatever
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: else and basically has gone back and then lived basically
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: from the back to the front sort of thing like
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: that but It's not a linear path. He goes here,
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: he goes there, and, you know, whatever else. So he
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: lives lifetimes in ancient Egypt. He lives lifetimes in the future.
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: He lives lifetimes in current, you know, things. He lives
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: lifetimes in timelines where there aren't people, you know, because
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: everything's gone. It's the end of things. You know, he's
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: all over the place, but the younger versions of Kang
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: are the far more dangerous ones. And so that's what
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: we've got in this case here. We've got a younger
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: Kang and he is, you know, sometimes he comes off
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: as a nice guy. He seems like he's kind of
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: warm and friendly. But then there's little turns in his
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: performance where it's like, oh shit, he's about to like
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: go ham on us here. He's a hell of an actor.
• 56:09
  Speaker 6: So it is interesting to see, you know, somebody that
• 56:14
  Speaker 6: not only is good at it, but they're kind of giving.
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: Him something to play with here.
• 56:17
  Speaker 6: He's got.
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: Both ends of it.
• 56:20
  Speaker 6: Like we see him be calm and just having a
• 56:23
  Speaker 6: conversation with Michelle Pfeiffer. And then a few scenes later,
• 56:26
  Speaker 6: he's just full on Rocky three going to town with,
• 56:31
  Speaker 6: with Batman. So he can do both just fine.
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: So, and then, you know, there's other times where he's
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: basically playing the threatening Uber villain sort of role and having,
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: you know, your, your exposition or your threats and stuff
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: like that. And even then, like it still comes off. Yeah.
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: That's the, you know, Kang is a very, hoity-toity kind
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: of character yeah so he but.
• 56:53
  Speaker 6: Not overly so like it could be taken too far
• 56:56
  Speaker 6: i don't think he's just very he seems you know
• 56:59
  Speaker 6: intelligent and well-spoken and like he seems like he has
• 57:02
  Speaker 6: lived lifetimes at this point but he's not like over
• 57:05
  Speaker 6: the top about it he's just there is an air
• 57:08
  Speaker 6: of like i'm obviously better than you. Like, by the time, like,
• 57:14
  Speaker 6: it all kind of comes out, you definitely get that, yeah,
• 57:16
  Speaker 6: I've done all of this before, so you idiots that
• 57:20
  Speaker 6: don't know what you're doing just need to listen to
• 57:22
  Speaker 6: what I'm here to tell you.
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. But, I mean, the funny thing is, like,
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: there's still, like, elements of his you know, hubris on display.
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: You know, there's paintings of him. There's murals on walls.
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: You know, he wants to make a big speech. So
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: there's this giant video hologram of him making a speech
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: to the whole fucking quantum realm. You know, sort of
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: shit like that. So there's still those elements of, you know,
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: like where he just, I'm top, you know, top dog here.
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: Y'all know it. I'm going to keep displaying that every
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: time I can just to reinforce that I'm in charge.
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: It's very Cobra Commander. Oh, very much. Very much. To
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: reference another comic. Yeah.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: But a lot of fun things. Michelle Pfeiffer gets herself
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: several big moments.
• 58:13
  Speaker 6: And that's by the end of this. That was so
• 58:15
  Speaker 6: my takeaway. It was like, I mean, don't get me wrong.
• 58:18
  Speaker 6: I'm enjoying the rest of this. But can we just
• 58:20
  Speaker 6: watch Michelle Pfeiffer kick people's ass for a good amount
• 58:23
  Speaker 6: of time?
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: Because that ending there.
• 58:25
  Speaker 6: where she gets the gun and starts just kicking people's ass.
• 58:28
  Speaker 6: I'm just like, you know, I could watch this for
• 58:30
  Speaker 6: a whole movie. Can we, can we just give her
• 58:32
  Speaker 6: an action franchise at this point?
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: The thing is, it was kind of, you know, to me,
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: it was kind of unfortunate. It's like, okay, you know,
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: I know this character, you know, of Janet Van Dyne.
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: And it's like, you know, she's, you know, she's evolved
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: so much over the years, you know, when she was
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: originally created in the sixties, she was kind of, you know,
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: a bit of a bubble headed ditz, you know, it's like,
• 58:54
  Speaker 4: It was the 60s and she was a woman, so
• 58:56
  Speaker 4: that's not a shock. Well, basically, she was a bubble-headed ditz,
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: but she also was very capable of doing stuff. But
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: then also, she was almost kind of like the Kelly
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: Kapoor of the Avengers. Because she was fascinated with fashion
• 59:13
  Speaker 4: and high lifestyle and.
• 59:17
  Speaker 4: You know, stuff like that. You know, and the superheroing, okay, well,
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: that was kind of, that was a fun thing my
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: hubby likes to do and I'll tag along. It's kind
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: of fun. But then, like, by the 80s, she's leading
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: the team.
• 59:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: So, I mean, it's like, she had such a, just
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: transition over the years of finally becoming a badass. So,
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: it's kind of getting to see who she really was,
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: you know, her time in the realm and stuff like that.
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: And seeing her really kind of bust out some action stuff,
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: I was like, thank you.
• 59:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: That was cool. Yeah. So, it only took three movies
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: for her to do that.
• 59:46
  Speaker 6: Well, yeah, I mean, she's, almost non-existent in the first one.
• 59:50
  Speaker 6: The second one, she's gone most of, and we just
• 59:52
  Speaker 6: were looking for her, but we don't get to her.
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: Until it's almost done.
• 59:56
  Speaker 6: So, yeah, it's kind of nice that at least this one,
• 59:59
  Speaker 6: she gets a full-on role that she can be in
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 6: the whole movie and have things to do, actually.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: But another thing, this is a unique series because this
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: is the only one of any of the Marvel movies.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: We've had the same director for three movies.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, without Sony... Because Spider-Man did too, but.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: It's not full-on Marvel. But yeah, it's sort of canon now,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: but it's sideways canon.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 6: I am annoyed because I can't watch it streaming right now.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 6: Because I'd like to revisit that third one. Yeah, I can. Why?
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 4: It's not on Disney Plus. No, but why would you
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: want to revisit the third one?
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 6: I like the third one.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: Why?
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: The one we just watched last year? No, no, no, no, no.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 6: Okay, not that one.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: I was talking about those. Oh, I was talking about
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 4: the Tobey Maguire Spider-Man 3.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 6: No, no, no.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 4: I was talking about the... Oh.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 6: Ones we just had.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, the Tom Holland. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: that one's good, yeah. But again, side universe, sort of. Okay, no,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 4: that's canon. That stuff is. The Tom Holland.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 6: That makes more sense now.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 6: I was like, wait.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the Tom Holland Spider-Man, that's into you. That one
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: was good.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 6: What are you talking about?
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we're good.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought you were talking about. The dance number movie.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 6: No.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought you were talking about the Tobey Maguire
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: Spider-Man 3. It's like, why would you.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 6: No, one, two, yes, definitely.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: Three, not so much.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: Even though it's really weird. They brought Thomas Hayden Church back.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: We want to remind ourselves that Spider-Man 3 still exists?
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 6: I think at those points it's just like, no, we
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 6: have to at least acknowledge it. We almost need to
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 6: make good on it. It's the same way in Star
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 6: Wars where now they'll make reference to stuff from the prequels.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 6: They're like, look, we know you guys don't love them,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 6: but we're knee deep in it, man. We got to
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 6: at least lean in enough to acknowledge them, but let's
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 6: not stay there for too long. Same thing.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: We're not going to bring back.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 6: Any of the other characters, but that guy from Wings
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 6: was fine. We'll bring him back in.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's that same move. But, yeah, but so it's,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: but like I said, this is kind of unique because since, okay,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: we start from Iron Man 1. Yeah. Then this is
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: the first, basically, of the heroes, basically he has the
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: same director for all three of his movies so far. And,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: you know, Peyton Reed did a lot of stuff, you know,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: kind of like putting in little Easter eggs here and there.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: Like he teased the Quantum Realm. you know, quite a
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: bit and seen a little bit of there. Even in
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 4: the first Ant-Man where that brief time you're in the
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: quantum realm and you see like a city on the
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: hills or something like that. While we weren't, we didn't
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 4: know that was going to be Kang, we referenced that
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: there's people in the quantum realm. So, you know, that there's,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: there's other stuff in there. There's things to explore. So finally,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 4: this third film, we get to do that. And that
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: was a lot of fun.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 6: It's just, Since we're talking about the director, I will
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 6: say it is interesting that it is our same guy
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 6: because it feels very different. Even in the last two,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 6: like last time. I feel like two felt.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: Similar to the first one.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 6: I feel like it was a little better, maybe because
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 6: the situation wasn't as messed up as the coming in
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 6: on the first one. Two was all his project, and
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 6: I think it's a stronger film because of it. But
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 6: you get to this one, and I'm like, it is...
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 6: Not so much dark, but it definitely is not the
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 6: comedic presence that 1.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 4: And 2 just.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 6: Because they almost set out to be a comedy more.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 6: That first one is trying to be a comedy more
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 6: than a superhero movie. It's good at being a superhero movie,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 6: but it's leaning towards the comedy more. And the second
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 6: one gets a little bigger and adds a lot more
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 6: superhero into it, but still... you know, it's a, it's
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 6: an Ant-Man movie because it's way more of a lighter
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 6: tone and just sort of a fun way of dealing
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 6: with things. But like this one doesn't.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 4: Feel that way.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 6: Like this one, because it's so in its own little
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 6: world from the get-go, like it's a much darker tone
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 6: to it. And then in general, I feel like there's
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 6: not the jokes that, you know, and I don't, mean
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 6: that in a bad way like I don't think it
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 6: would have been fitting it might have been forcing it
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 6: too much so there's moments here and there there's some
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 6: fun stuff along the way but it's not that tone
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 6: that we got in the first two so it's kind
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 6: of surprising that it is the same director but.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah I would agree because you know I mean definitely
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 4: the stakes are higher in this film because of the
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 4: introduction of our big bad yeah we got like I
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 4: said we you know again we got to tease the
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 4: season finale for Loki but this is kind of like
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: this is our proper introduction of Kang for this film So,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 4: kind of like Ragnarok, they do a good job of
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 4: balancing the serious and the comedy. Because there are still
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 4: tons of laughs in this movie. Oh, yeah. I mean,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 4: like I said, I've been in the audience twice for
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 4: this thing, and there are laughs in this movie. There
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: definitely are. That get the people going. And some are...
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 4: On purpose. Some are a little bit accidental. We'll get
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 4: into one particular character. Yeah. There's one that, I mean,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: you can't take it seriously. So it has.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 6: He needs to be the laugh moment because you can't
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 6: do anything else with him, really.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 4: And it's very interesting how that was handled, too. Because
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: fans were kind of... You know, let's just stop tapping
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 4: into that. Let's talk about MODOK.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 6: Let's talk about.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: Because.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 6: I've seen him for years and I thought, man, that's
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 6: silly looking.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 6: So if you were going to tell me we're going
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 6: to make a actual real world three dimensional version of
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 6: this guy, I'm like, how the hell am I going
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 6: to take that seriously? Luckily you kind of don't have to.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: It's a great payoff because I mean, you know, they'd
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: shown images in the trailer and some of the toys.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 4: So we knew MODOK was coming. They were doing a
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: little bit of a tweak with him and they're like, Oh,
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 4: he's kind of like a metal face. And it's like,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 4: it's kind of looks more like a robot. It's not
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 4: like a, you know, basically a giant head with normal
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: size arms and legs sitting in a floating chair sort
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 4: of thing. And then you're like, oh, no, it is.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 4: It still is. So anybody who was worried about how
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: MODOK was going to be treated, while it's not the
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: original character, it's MODOK.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 6: It is fun. Again, it's maybe the only like through
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 6: line of light tone stuff. Because even when He's trying
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 6: to be serious. Nobody can take him seriously. Just not
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 6: only the visuals, which were always there, even in the comic,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 6: he looked like that. But because of who we have
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 6: as the character now, it just sort of changes the
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 6: tone quite a bit.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: And again, it's fun. I do like it. Yeah. You
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 4: cannot take him seriously. What we're talking about, though, is
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 4: that basically, if you remember back in the first Ant-Man,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: the character of Darren, our bad guy who takes the
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 4: yellow jacket suit.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 6: The bee guy.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 4: The bee guy. If you remember at the end of
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 4: the movie, he basically kind of gets, well, it looks
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 4: like he gets crushed, shrunk down, and shrunk completely away. Well,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 4: what happened was he got deposited in the quantum realm.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 4: But because of where basically the Pym Tech landed on him,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 4: it shrunk the rest of his body while it shrunk
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 4: his head somewhat, but it was disproportionate. So he was
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 4: already a mess anyway. He was more head than anything else.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 4: And then Kang gets a hold of him and, you know,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 4: turns him, you know, makes him, you know, better, stronger, faster,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 6: As much as you can when you're a giant head
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 6: and little tiny body.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 4: And did you notice we still got a butt shot?
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 4: I feel like there was a.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 6: For that half second that it happened, there was maybe
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 6: more than one place in the theater I gasped. Yeah.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 4: I don't know that it was a good one.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 6: It was, oh, God.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 4: I was like, this is a tiny little butt. I
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 4: was like, oh, that's great. I love that.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 6: I don't think anyone was prepared for the butt shot.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: I love it. And see, the thing is, like, you know,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 4: MODOK has always been, like, a serious villain when he
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: was initially created. It was basically... They introduced AIM a
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 4: little bit in Iron Man 3, but they repurposed it
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: or whatever else. So basically, in the comics, AIM is
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 4: like HYDRA, but it's all mad scientists. They all do
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 4: super science experiments, weird shit. They don't care how it
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: affects humanity. They're just curious about the data. And so
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 4: MODOK was one of their scientists. He was experimenting on himself,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 4: making him like a cybernetic being, yada, yada, yada. And
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 4: the experiment went haywire and basically collapsed. made him a
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 4: giant head and a tiny body and he would have
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 4: to sit in this floating chair in order to move
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 4: around and do things. But then also he's got like
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: mental abilities and he's got the cybernetic stuff. So he basically,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 4: it's somewhat worked, but he basically is completely deformed.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 4: And so basically he's this giant face sitting in a
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: chair basically with little arms and legs.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 6: Which again, I know they treated it seriously in the comics.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 6: But I always thought it was silly looking.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 4: Well, they treated it seriously in the comic, but then
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 4: over the years, they've also agreed with you that it
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 4: is silly looking. And so, of course, there was the
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: Hulu cartoon that Patton Oswalt did the voice for. That's
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 4: entirely a comedy. And, I mean, that was hilarious. I
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 4: love that stuff. And so we get kind of a
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 4: little bit of both. Yeah. But Corey Stoll gets to
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: reprise his role, and his face is basically, like, stretched,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 4: you know, very much over a giant head. It is
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: very silly. up you're like oh my fucking god hey
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 4: remember me yes and they even do like a little
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 4: bit like a quick montage yeah but i love to
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 4: like there's a couple of times where we're doing like
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 4: exposition stuff and then paul rudd interrupts that He just
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 4: totally steps on the hose and asks a stupid question.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 4: Another thing I loved too is that David, of course,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 4: we had the little buddies. He was Michael Pena, David S. Malvin,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 4: and who's the rapper guy?
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 4: I can't remember. I don't remember now. But yeah.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 6: But his, yeah, the three guys. The security team.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Of course, and Michael Pena was always the star
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 4: of the three of them because Luis, he would have
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 4: his stories. And just stole the movie every time he spoke.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 4: So that was great. So you missed him. But we
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 4: didn't miss David S. Malkin because, well, it's not his character.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 4: He gets to play the character of Veb, who's the
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 4: big lovable goo guy.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I did see his name up there again.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 4: And it did remind me.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 6: I was like, I think that's another thing that makes it.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 6: seem so different than those others. Because the other two,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 6: they're pretty heavily featured. You know, they're not the leads,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 6: but they've got a good amount of time on screen.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 6: And I'm like, yeah, this one doesn't have any, like,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 6: that is one of the weird things about this. The
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 6: structure of this movie is very different than even most
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 6: Marvel movies at this point.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 4: Like, we get right to it.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 6: You know, you get the little flashback of like, hey,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 6: what's been going on with me yet, man? And once
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 6: we're done with that, it's like, okay, let's hit the
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 6: quantum realm. Like, they do not mess around. Yeah, it
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 6: gets right to the point. It does.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 4: Which, again, I like. Of course, I mean, I love
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 4: the book stuff, too. Because if you'd been watching the
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 4: last couple, like, movies and TV shows and whatnot... If
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 4: you watch the crawls, when they have a news story
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 4: that comes on there, if you watch the crawls, you've
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 4: been seeing that basically we know that Scott had a
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 4: book coming out. We know that he has a podcast
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 4: also out. I think the podcast came before the book.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 4: But yeah, so Scott has been doing this kind of
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: like victory lap of I saved the world for quite
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 4: some time. Because he really can't do anything else. He can't.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 6: He's not been able to, like, have a real life.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 6: He was on house arrest the last movie.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 6: Like, he can't get a real job. So, like, the
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 6: only thing he has is, like, hey, guys, I'm an Avenger.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 4: You know that, right? But the funny thing is that
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 4: he basically avenged, like, the one time, and then he
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 4: really hasn't done anything since Endgame. And so that's kind
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: of what his, you know, Cassie's argument is basically, like,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 6: What are you doing now?
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 4: It's like, I'm out doing stuff. You know, she's kind of,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: you know, following in his footsteps, so to speak, being
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 4: in A little more social justice thrown in, too. But
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: she's out doing what he does, and she's like, why
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 4: aren't you? Why are you just writing books?
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 6: You've got the title of Avenger, and yet you're not
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 6: doing anything to help people day in and day out.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 4: You could do more than you already are doing. So
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 4: that's kind of the fun thing. And of course... you know,
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 4: we're ever, ever, ever closer to our young Avengers because
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 4: literally we are missing one core member. Yeah. And I
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 4: don't know if we're going to get to him in
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 4: Secret Invasion or not, but basically we have one character
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 4: and he's a Skrull, but he's a nice Skrull. And,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 4: you know, so yeah, I'm just waiting because the team
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 4: is there. We have all the other players. We've even
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 4: got members who came in later on because Cassie wasn't
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 4: an original member. She showed up like I don't know,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 4: maybe after the first ten issues. But basically, the real
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 4: core team are the twins, Kate Bishop, Elijah, who we
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 4: met in Captain America and Winter Soldier. His grandfather was
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 4: a Captain America during World War II, or during Korea.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 4: And then, granted... Kang kind of was a member in
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 4: the initial, but it was a younger, nicer version. I
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 4: don't want to be an asshole. Basically, in this movie,
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 4: he didn't want to be a dick. Because as we learn,
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 4: it's never too late to not be a dick.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 6: Words to live by, kids. Exactly.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 4: Look out for the little guy and don't be a dick.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 4: That's the things we learn in this movie here.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 6: While we're on, Cassie, to time out for real world,
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 6: do we know why they recast?
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 4: I have no idea.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 6: I mean, she's kind of more famous, so I didn't
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 6: know if that's why. I guess so. If we're moving
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 6: forward and going to give her maybe her own series,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 6: maybe put her in the movies down the line, if
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 6: we want to get a.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 4: More polished actress.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 6: Because, yeah, I think she's the one from Freaky, if
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 6: I'm remembering. Yes. Which she's good in Freaky. Yeah, that's
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 6: a fun movie. At first, I was like, oh, it's
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 6: kind of weird that they're switching out. But then I
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 6: saw it was her. I was like, oh, she was
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 6: good in Freaky, so I can't complain about it.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 4: But I thought.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 6: they haven't done a ton of switch outs on the
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 6: people in the roles. Yeah.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 4: And it's, that irked a lot of fans too, because
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 4: basically I can't remember the actress name. I know her
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 4: first name is Emma, but I can't remember her last name. Yeah.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean, she, it was kind of shitty too,
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 4: because like they didn't even tell her, Oh, Hey, you're
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 4: not going to be reprising this role. She literally found
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 4: out the way the rest of us did when they announced, Oh, Hey,
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 4: Catherine Newton's going to be playing the role of Cassie Lang.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 4: And she's like, what?
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 6: I just bought a house guys.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 6: Was banking on this for years to come, thanks.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because the actress that we see in Endgame, that's
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 4: the age of Cassie as we see her now in Quantumanias.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 4: It's like, that was an age-appropriate actress.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 6: I mean, they already switched out from the first actress,
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 6: but that made sense. She was a little girl. He
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 6: comes back years later. She needs to be grown up.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 6: So that makes sense. But yeah, this one, there wasn't
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 6: really a real reason within the story, so I assumed
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 6: there was some behind-the-scenes goings-on.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 4: I guess she's a She's a bigger name. Yeah, that's
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 4: the only thing I can think of, yeah. But another
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 4: interesting thing, too, I just happened to think of, Cassie's
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 4: the only one we've really seen grow up through several films.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 4: Like, okay, we've got the twins over in WandaVision, and
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 4: we saw them again in Doctor Strange Multiverse of Madness,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 4: but they're still the same age. So we haven't seen
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 4: them get older. Cassie, we've seen get older over multiple films.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 4: And that's a unique treatment of her character more so
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 4: than any of the others. Because Tom Holland doesn't age. No,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 4: Tom Holland doesn't age.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 6: Somehow he's been the same age, even though really it's
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 6: been a lot of years.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 4: He should look a little older, but he's still a
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 4: baby face kid. Well, he's got that good British genes.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 4: They don't age. I think they wait until like 75
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 4: and they hit the wall.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah, they just turn.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: They just turn. But up until 75, they look like
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 4: they're 25. Yeah.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 6: But yeah, we haven't really had a lot of that.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 6: We just veer away from it if we, you know,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 6: it's weird that they kept bringing her back as a character. Normally,
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 6: if it gets too weird, they're just like, nah, and
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 6: then we're done with that character now.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 4: But it's been a fun thing to follow her. And,
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 4: of course, fans of the comics know that eventually the
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 4: Young Avengers are coming.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: You know, we've got, like I said, we've laid out
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 4: every other cast member. So it's just a matter of, like,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 4: when are they going to bust them out? Yeah. And,
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 4: of course, you know, we'll probably bust them out, you know,
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 4: a little bit later on. You know, we've got to
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 4: age the twins up. Yeah. You know, for obvious reasons.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 6: It'd be okay if they started without them and put
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 6: somebody else in maybe and then go ahead and ease
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 6: them in.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 4: The twins, especially Billy, is kind of crucial to the
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 4: early part. The thing is, Tommy doesn't come on the
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 4: team again until around when Cassie comes around. So Tommy
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 4: is not a core original member, but Billy is, the
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 4: wizardy one.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 6: Well, and then are we.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 6: What universe are we taking those twins from anyway?
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 4: That's a good question.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 6: They don't technically exist in our world, right? So, like,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 6: the only places you can pull them from is other multiverses.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 4: Exactly. It's confusing. Well, basically, you know, while that seems confusing,
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 4: if you remember, we got two Avengers movies coming up
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 4: in a couple years. One called The Kang Dynasty. Another
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 4: one called Secret Wars. Yep. And we're going to be
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 4: dealing with a whole lot of multiversal shit. That's a
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 4: great way to be able to age up some certain characters.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 4: It's going to be a great way to bring back
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 4: a few people. If we don't see Chris Evans and
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 4: or Robert Downey Jr. in Secret Wars, I'm going to
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 4: be pissed. And so will a lot of other people.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 4: Or even ScarJo. It's a great opportunity.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 6: It's a way to bring people in.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 4: Just for a one-off or whatever else. Because it doesn't
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 4: have to be like, oh, we're bringing her back. No,
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 4: this is a... black widow from another universe where she's
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 4: still alive or.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 6: It's the professor xavier this last time around it's like
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 6: you know he's not around but here we can have
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 6: a nice little cameo and things are gonna work out great.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 4: For him don't you worry yeah so and of course
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 4: i was convinced we were gonna see hugh jackman as
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 4: wolverine in that movie and then of course deadpool 3
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 6: We're gonna see him don't.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 4: You oh i'm sure we i'm sure we are but
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 4: you know they see they they they kind of spoiled
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 4: a little bit beforehand. He's like, oh, we're going to
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 4: see Deadpool 3 and Deadpool 3 is going to come
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 4: out from 4.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 6: We already see him working out, so we know he's
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 6: coming out.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we know he's coming, yeah. But yeah, those little
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 4: promos they were doing were great.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 6: On that note, only because I just saw some sort
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 6: of talk show that they were talking to Paul Rudd,
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 6: and he talked about getting back into training and like,
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 6: he's in that suit the whole time. What's the point
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 6: of training to get ripped if you're not going to
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 6: do the signature Marvel shirtless scene? Like, We don't even
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 6: get that. Like, what's the point of bothering to get
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 6: super ripped? And he was talking about being on this
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 6: high-protein diet and changing everything about his life to get
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 6: ready for the next Ant-Man movie.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 4: I mean, he still looks good in the suit.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 6: He looks good, but I'm like, there's like a giant
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 6: piece of rubber around you. Like, you could be in horrible.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: Shape and wear that suit and you'd look okay. I mean, there's...
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 4: we at least get a point to see Jonathan Major's guns,
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 4: because like, he was already in Creed 3 training before
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 4: he did this one, so like, he didn't need to
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 4: be superhero training.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 6: He's there. He's already a big dude at this point.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 6: The dude's a beast.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 4: I can't wait for Creed 3, man. Good God. It looks, yeah.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 6: I've seen the trailer, the last two things I went
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 6: to the theater. I was like, Man, as if I
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 6: wasn't already on board with this Creed series.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 4: Like, this is an interesting one. But, yeah, again, just
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 4: really enjoyed kind of just the whole journey we've taken
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 4: with Cassian. Now she's a superhero. We don't get her
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 4: superhero name in this movie, just yet. Even though if
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 4: you go out and look at the figures or the toys,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 4: they call her Stature because that is her name in
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 4: the comics. She doesn't go with a bug theme. She's like,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 6: Well, they also just jumped right to that. Much like
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 6: the rest of this plot, there's no easing into it.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 6: It's like, she's just a kind of normal girl last
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 6: time we saw her. Now, not only is she getting
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 6: arrested because she's a social justice warrior, but she's also
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 6: got a suit, hanging out with Grandpa, who's not really
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 6: her grandpa, but he's adopted Grandpa, and is also kind
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 6: of a genius. I'm like, we didn't really get that.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 6: She was just a normal kid every other movie so far.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 6: So it's like, it's good that now she's like suddenly.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 4: Iron Man level of genius. Yeah.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 6: That's handy. But yeah, we didn't ease our way in
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 6: on any of those things.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 4: She just, she's super smart. She's got her own suit.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 6: She knows how to use it for the most part.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 6: Other than the, you know, flip and kick. But yeah,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 6: other than that, it's like we just immediately are thrown into,
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 6: oh yeah, and your daughter's also a superhero.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 4: You know, it's kind of funny. It kind of happened
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 4: in the same way in the books too. Because... You know,
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 4: when Scott was first introduced in the 80s, Cassie was
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 4: always the thing. And he was like, you know, he's
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 4: trying to split time between being a good dad and
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 4: trying to raise money and go, I'm really good at
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 4: being a thief, so there you go. Then he steals
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 4: the Ant-Man suit and the rest is history. But yeah,
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 4: Cassie was always the thing in there. And then literally
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 4: when they decided to do the Young Avengers thing, it's
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 4: kind of like, oh yeah, let's, you know, Ant-Man's got
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 4: a daughter. Let's take her. Let's bring her in. And
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 4: so literally there was no previous development of oh, she's,
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 4: you know, a bit of a science person or she's,
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 4: you know, a bit of an adventurer or whatnot. So, yeah.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 4: It just happened real quick. But, I mean, she does
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 4: make a good point that basically, you know, a guy
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 4: in a bee suit tried to kill me when I
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 4: was six years old, so I've never had a normal life.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 6: I did like that line. I was like, yeah, I mean,
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 6: we've been there for her whole upbringing now and every
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 6: step of the way it's, Weird stuff going on.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 4: Oh, now my dad's a superhero. Oh, and then he
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 4: was gone for five years.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 6: He was blipped out of existence and turned to dust.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 4: Well, he wasn't even blipped out. He was stuck in
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 4: the Quadrant. Well, yeah.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 6: As far as she knew, he was blipped out. But really,
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 6: he was.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 4: Stuck in the back of a van somewhere. Yeah. But yeah,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 4: so she's had a very interesting life nonetheless. But yeah,
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 4: it's going to be interesting to kind of get her
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 4: and Riri Williams from Wakanda Forever... soon to be Ironheart,
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 4: to get the two of them in the same room together.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 4: Because basically, there's your science people, whereas she is more
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 4: of the Tony Stark builder. Cassie, on the other hand,
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 4: is kind of almost like a Reed Richards, where she
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 4: gets into the experimental science and the super science kind
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 4: of stuff. So yeah, she's a bit of a builder too,
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 4: but she's on a different level. So she's in the
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 4: higher planes, that sort of thing like that. So that's
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 4: going to be very interesting to get these younger characters together,
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 4: kind of see what they come up with.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 8: Definitely.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 6: I do feel while we're on that first structure of it,
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 6: I think if there's anything that's a weird area, because
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 6: by the end.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 4: I enjoyed the hell out of this movie. Yeah.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 6: It does feel like it takes its time when it
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 6: doesn't need to once we, because we jump right to it,
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 6: but then there's like this long period of like, well,
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 6: we got to go look for somebody and well, I'm
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 6: not going to tell you what's going on. Like, it
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 6: seems like there's that extra time.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 4: I'm like, Okay, first of all, we know who it is.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 4: So it's a weird.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 6: Long time before they bring our villain in, really. We
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 6: even have our floating head fake villain for a second there.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 6: And then you're like, oh, no, I'm working for the
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 6: real guy. You just wait till he gets here. So
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 6: I'm like, yeah, shouldn't he already be here? We know
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 6: who he is. Number one, saw Loki. We've seen the trailer. Like,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 6: we know who it is. But they take a good
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 6: amount of time to work up.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 4: To, like, the big reveal and everything. I don't know.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 4: That was weird.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 6: So once we get him in there, I think from
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 6: that point on, everything's just kind of awesome. Because he's
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 6: so good, and then we get these great series of
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 6: action scenes. So just structure-wise, that was a puzzling part.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 6: Why are we pretending or just taking so much time?
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 6: It'd be different if it was a fake-out reveal or something.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 6: But we know where we're going, and we go there.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 6: It's not a change.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 4: So they really.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 6: Granted, in that downtime, we hang out with Bill Murray,
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 6: which I did not know was coming.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 4: Oh, you didn't know that? Okay, yeah.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 6: So that was fun and weird all at the same time.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 4: It was kind of nice, too, because we've never really
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 4: seen him play a villainous character before. And there's a
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 4: couple of moments in his scene that he has. I mean,
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 4: Venkman's kind of.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 6: He's maybe a sociopath.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 4: Well, maybe, yeah.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 6: But he's still a lovable guy.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 4: But there's a couple of times where Bill has a
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 4: sinister delivery of things. Like, I could see more of
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 4: him playing a bad guy.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 6: I would actually like to see... That's one of those...
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 6: Going back to Tarantino... Pluck him out of there and
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 6: throw him into your villain role. Yeah, I could watch that.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 4: And it's interesting because the role he plays, the character,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 4: I mean, you can't get any more obscure. I think
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 4: this character played like... I think he was in one
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 4: issue of The Hulk in either the late 70s or
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 4: the early 80s. And he was like a futuristic weapons
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 4: dealer guy. I mean, it just... one-off guy completely unimportant
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 4: to anything in the marvel universe but let's pull this
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 4: obscure character out just so i can stunt cast bill murray.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 6: I mean they've done that a lot recently we've already
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 6: worked jeff goldblum in we can't do that again who
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 6: else can we get well i.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 4: Mean but jeff goldblum's character though is sort of a
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 4: major character.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 6: He eventually has a huge you know we're not huge
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 6: but he has a good amount of screen time he
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 6: does come into play as to how the Plot turns
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 6: out where that is not the case with Bill Murray.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, there's certain people they bring in like, okay, well,
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 4: you're like Benicio Del Toro and Jeff Goldblum's character. They're
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 4: universal aspects.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 6: But they still sort of felt like that same casting
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 6: of like, what? Who can we get to play a weirdo?
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 6: Who's kind of a weirdo anyway? Benicio Del Toro? Yeah,
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 6: he'll do it.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 4: They were well cast, but at least they were somewhat
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 4: important characters. Whereas Bill Murray's character is not. I mean,
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 4: he's not even in the quantum realm of... When Hulk
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 4: finds him. So, like, this character was completely reinvented just
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 4: to stick Bill Murray in the role. But, like, we
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 4: can't do a really important character just in case we
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 4: want to use this guy later on.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 6: And Bill's probably not going to show up for a
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 6: whole movie for something weird like this. But if you
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 6: leave him a message on that answering machine, he'll, you know,
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 6: if he feels like it that day, he might show
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 6: up and do two days worth of shooting. So that's
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 6: what you get. And it's kind of worth it just
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 6: for the weird octopus thing. By the end there, I
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 6: was like, okay, I.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 4: Didn't see that coming either. That's pretty awful. I was like, revenge!
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 4: You know, for the drink with the little squid character.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's pretty... And, you know, kind of the next
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 6: scene we go like, so... hooking up with him, were you?
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 4: That was a fun little post-married couple moment. Well, that
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 4: was kind of fun because you got to think like, okay,
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 4: you know, it's like, yeah, she was in the porn realm.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 4: It was 30 years. Yeah, they were essentially separated for
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 4: 30 years, but yeah.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 6: And he thought she was dead, so like, and she
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 6: didn't know what the hell was going on or that
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 6: she'd ever get back, so.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 4: There you go.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 6: I get it, you know.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, she had needs.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 6: You got needs, you got needs.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 4: But yeah, a lot of the technology that was done there,
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 4: of course, like, you know, how The steering mechanism. It's
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 4: like these gelatinous worm things you stick here. It's like
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 4: stuffing a Thanksgiving turkey. Just jam it all the way
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 4: in there and there you go. Stuff like that. They
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 4: just wanted to establish the quantum realm doesn't play by
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 4: the rest of life's rules. The world's rules or anything.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 6: Again, almost immediately we jump there and then the whole
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 6: rest of it is just.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 4: Like a prog rock album cover. Yeah.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 6: I mean, every time they'd cut away to some other thing,
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 6: I'm like, yeah, yeah, there you go.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 4: I mean, the VFX people, they just outdid themselves. Like,
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 4: the Quantum Realm was beautiful.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 6: It is, and a lot of weird variations. Like, it
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 6: wasn't just the same thing. Like, you'd cut to a
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 6: different area, and it's like, no, this is an entirely
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 6: different weird thing we're looking at now.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, this whole movie is like walking in the Mos
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 4: Eisley canteen, and you're seeing like a hundred different aliens.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 6: Which, there were a few that I was like, aren't
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 6: those just leftovers from that last Star Wars movie? The
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 6: ones that had like the head drape, almost like a
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 6: Middle Eastern headgear on. And I was like, weren't they
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 6: in the party scene when they go meet Lando in
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 6: that last movie?
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 4: Oh, you're talking about when she meets up with the
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 4: people and chops the dude's arm off together, right? Okay,
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 4: those were nomads. So that's kind of why they were
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 4: all dressed up like the desert.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 6: But again, it kind of feels like that same, which
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 6: there's a few times in this, And now I'm just like,
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 6: are these all just big storytelling? Because there's so many
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 6: moments that I'm like, it's kind of like from this movie.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 6: And that's kind of, but I mean, I guess when
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 6: you watch enough crap, everything starts to be, there's only
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 6: so many variations, but there are a few times in
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 6: this when I'm like, well, I'm kind of like, you know,
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 6: cause they do. I mean, they have the, let's create
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 6: a revolution in the middle of our story just for
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 6: the hell of it. And I'm like, like the robot revolution.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 6: when they jump out of the ship and yell revolution
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 6: i was like that's a little familiar based on a
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 6: company that owns both of these properties yeah but then
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 6: also that's i was like well that's also what they
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 6: did in the in the ragnarok too like with jeff
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 6: goldblum they set up their own little mini revolution to
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 6: kind of go along with what they were in the
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 6: middle of already doing. So I'm like, we're starting to
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 6: see themes here, but, It may.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 4: Just be general storytelling stuff. Traditionally, when you have a
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 4: despotic ruler, sooner or later the folks are going to
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 4: revolt against him. These are basic things.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 6: But even, yeah, the big battle of like, here comes the,
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 6: you know, oh, we're going to lose. Oh, here comes
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 6: the big army. It's like, is this just Return of
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 6: the King now? Like, what do we, like, everything. I
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 6: was like, again, these are all just classic storytelling tropes.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 4: Well, and in this case that, you know, Michael Douglas
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 4: gets to play Gandalf because he comes in with the
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 4: ant cavalry. He comes rolling in. And I love the
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 4: super smart ants. That was great.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 6: That was cool.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 4: And like, they just sort of buried that at the beginning. Like,
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 4: we just barely get the ant farm.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 6: And then by the time we get to them at
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 6: the end, it's like, all right, it's a good thing
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 6: we set that up because damn if they're not awesome
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 6: when they show up.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because we know they got in the quantum realm
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 4: with them. So it's like, you know, they aged up
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 4: and I mean, they were already super smart, but they
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 4: aged up even more. I like that tech. Yeah. Well,
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 4: I mean, yeah. Like, we got ants who built their
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 4: own society, a technocracy. And then when they show up
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 4: to battle, like, they're armed to the teeth.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 6: I like the one that had, like, the laser on
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 6: his thorax or, like, in his mandible area. And, like,
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 6: anything that comes in front of him, he's just, like,
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 6: cutting it in half. Sawing it down.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 4: Like, that's awesome. Yeah. Or, like, had, like, the giant ant, like,
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 4: the big tank thing. I was like, dude, okay. Yeah.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 6: And once again, this is, I mean, I know it,
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 6: but he's changed so much in recent years. But like
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 6: that shot of Michael Douglas, I'm like, man, I grew
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 6: up in an era when there was nobody cooler than
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 6: Michael Douglas. So watching him just come strolling up with
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 6: the battle full of ants, I was just like, there
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 6: he is.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 4: He still got it.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I was like, that's that badass I remember.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 4: Still got it.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 6: Yep.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 4: Michael Douglas. Oh, and we got to talk about our
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 4: freedom fighters here throughout the movie. So- you know of
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 4: course we've got you know an array of different characters.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 4: That was another one.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 6: I was like, this is sort of a thing they
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 6: return to with like, let's find some weird, quirky side
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 6: characters and then suddenly they're going to become your favorite.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 6: This is the Thor Ragnarok all over again. It's like,
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 6: those two guys are my favorite in the whole movie.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 6: And then you realize, later they realize that too. We're
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 6: going to keep putting them in there. So I'm waiting
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 6: to see if I've Got No Holes becomes a standard
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 6: go-to at this point.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 4: Who doesn't like it? Veb is going to be everybody's
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 4: favorite new character now. He's pretty lovable. Yeah, just this
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 4: sweet little gelatinous guy.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 6: Who runs ridiculous.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 4: Who runs ridiculous, but his most important character trait is
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 4: that apparently he oozes a liquid, and this liquid is
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 4: used basically as a universal translator. So you drink his ooze,
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 4: and then now you can communicate with everybody in the
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 4: quantum realm.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 6: That was another thing there of watching, and I was like,
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 6: this is also like Marvel translated through.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 4: Douglas Adams.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 6: I was like, there's the babblefish. And then there was
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 6: another one later in the movie. I was like, that's
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 6: kind of like the, I don't know. There's a lot
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 6: of those weird sort of ridiculous things going on in
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 6: the quantum realm that are a little Douglas Adams-y. So
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 6: I'm like, yeah, I can see that. Yeah.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 4: But the interesting thing is that, of course, when I
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 4: saw the trailer and I saw the scene where kind
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 4: of the freedom fighters come up over the hill and
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 4: gather together, I was convinced that those were the Micronauts. Yeah.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 4: Because the Micronauts were a property that Marvel had in
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 4: conjunction with Hasbro, because it was another, like, toy-turned-comic book.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 4: But the irony is that the comic book lasted twice
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 4: as long as the toy line ever did. And then,
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 4: matter of fact, they had, like, a second iteration, like
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 4: a sequel series that was done, like, it started in
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 4: the 70s, and then they had, like, a sequel series
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 4: in the 80s. And then the property went dormant for
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 4: a long time, and then another company picked them up
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 4: and is doing Micronauts books again.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 6: I think it's because the toys were really fragile.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 6: I ended up with one, and every time I moved him,
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 6: I was like, oh, I think he's going to break.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 4: They were, and they were very... The toys versus the
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 4: comics are almost two completely separate things. Yeah. Because while
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 4: there are characters that do overlap, they have a whole
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 4: other slew of characters in the comic books that are
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 4: the lead heroes... That were never represented in the toys.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 4: Like the main bad guy is, but not.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 6: I don't even remember them having character so much with
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 6: the toys. It was just like, here's some guys.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 4: This one's orange. This one's green.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 6: That was the most defining trait they had.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 4: This one's got a silver face and a translucent body.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah. This one has a silver face and an orange
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 6: translucent body. Totally different guy. And then, okay, the main
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 6: bad guy looks kind of like a Wish version of
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 6: Darth Vader.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 4: So there you go. So... Yeah. But yeah, so the
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 4: comics went much further. They were incorporated within the Marvel Universe,
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 4: and then basically Hasbro pulled the rights. And so now
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 4: we've kind of got this franchise that every now and
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 4: then keeps kind of popping up in Marvel continuity. There
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 4: was a character, part of the Micronauts, called Bug, who
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 4: later pops up in Guardians of the Galaxy in one
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 4: of its revival series. So all these Guardians fans are
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 4: expecting Bug to pop up in the movies. Like, that's
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 4: never going to happen. Because Hasbro... Just for whatever reason,
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 4: they will not release the Micronauts.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 6: We only have so much stuff. We have to hold
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 6: on to these.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 4: But it's also they're not doing shit with them. Yeah,
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 4: of course.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 6: There's no movies.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 4: They tried a comic book through IDW Publishing. Because they
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 4: did the whole thing. Hasbro has the rights to G.I. Joe, Transformers, Mask, Micronauts,
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 4: and ROM Space Knights. And My Little Pony. And My
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 4: Little Pony. Yeah.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 6: The most badass of all.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 4: And with the exception of My Little Pony, they try
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 4: to do a collective universe with all these toy properties
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 4: in there.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 4: And they actually have done a crossover of My Little
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 4: Pony and Transformers. Well, no, that was, yeah, I didn't
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 4: know this existed.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 6: I specifically messaged, I mean, if you listen to the show,
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 6: I messaged Misty and went, how do I not know
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 6: there's a My Little Pony.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 4: That's also a Ghostbusters?
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 6: Me, dork that I am, someone who goes out and
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 6: sees toys and random crap all the time, how have
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 6: I not run across this? Because it's been out for
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 6: several years. Oh, wow. But yeah, it's normal, looks exactly
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 6: shaped like a My Little Pony, and yet has the
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 6: Ghostbuster emblem right on its butt like they always had
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 6: lightning or cupcakes or whatever weird shit. So yeah, I
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 6: saw that recently and was like, how did I not know.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 4: This was a thing?
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 6: But I looked, that's that same series. They did a
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 6: crossover of Ghostbusters. Power Rangers for some reason. And they
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 6: did one that's an Optimus Prime pony. Yeah.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 4: So he's pretty badass looking. He or she, whichever. There's
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 4: also a Transformer of Ecto-1. Yeah. There's a Transformer of
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 4: the DeLorean from Back to the Future. And now my favorite,
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 4: they're doing G.I. Joe Transformers mashups where like there's Bumblebee
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 4: that transforms into a G.I. Joe vehicle. And then there's,
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 4: I can't remember which, Decepticon transforming into a Cobra vehicle. So, like,
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 4: you get a Transformer that turns into a G.I. Joe
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 4: replica vehicle, but it's still, when you transform it, it's
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 4: the Transformer you know. It's also a Transformer. It's your
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 4: favorite thing. But then it also comes with a G.I.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 4: Joe figure, too. So it's like, holy shit. This is
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 4: too much for my brain to handle. It's too much
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 4: awesome is what it is. You know? But anyway, so
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 4: they're doing all these kind of especially crossover toys. But, yeah,
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 4: so anyway, so I knew, like, okay, did they get
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 4: the rights to the Micronauts? Or, like, are we going
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 4: to do kind of like a half-assed Micronauts and we
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 4: get a half-assed Micronauts?
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 6: So.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 4: Basically, because the Micronauts were a group of basically collected
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 4: heroes throughout the Quantum Realm that had a... I can't
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 4: remember what the Lord... Like, not Voltron, or... I can't
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 4: remember what the main bad guy's name was. But basically,
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 4: he was a despotic ruler of the Quantum Realm, and
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 4: they go and basically are freedom fighters fighting against him.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 4: So it's the same concept, they just couldn't call them
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 4: the Micronauts, and they couldn't use any of the names
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 4: of the Micronauts. And, like, they basically turned, like, the
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 4: main guy, Acrier, into the warrior woman character. A.K.A. Valkyrie.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah. She is badass.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 4: But, yeah, Jentora's awesome. Yeah. It felt a little Valkyrie-esque.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 4: Very Valkyrie-esque, yeah.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 6: I mean, Valkyrie's also badass, so I can't blame you.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah. There's a lot of badass warrior women.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 6: Oh, there are. But that one, she didn't really have
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 6: much else. Like, she wasn't given a ton of. all
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 6: you get is badass.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 4: She's just like, oh, she's got.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 6: A staff, and what was that staff doing exactly? But
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 6: it was badass. So yeah, she was cool, but I
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 6: kind of wanted more personality from her, but we didn't
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 6: spend much time with anybody. The most we get is
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 6: I've got no holes.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, we got enough. Basically, you kind of had
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 4: like four freedom fighters you kind of got attached to. Basically,
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 4: you got Gentora, you had Veb we've talked about. You've
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 4: got the telepath Quaz. Which he's got some great scenes, too.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 6: I was going to say, he's got the good lines. So, yeah,
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 6: he's got all the jokes when there's not a ton
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 6: of jokes. He had half of them, it felt like.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and then, of course, you've got the robotic, was
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 4: it like the laser-headed dude? Zalem. Zalem is his name, yeah.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 4: Pretty badass, too. Yeah, and so, you know, not to
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 4: spoil anything, but he's our one, you know, casualty.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah, we didn't lose a ton of people this time around,
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 6: so I guess that was the only, well, we've got
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 6: to kill somebody.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 4: It's got to be semi-realistic. We've got to off one
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 4: of our regulars. Well, and we kind of get a
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 4: false ending, too, where we think that basically, oh, maybe
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 4: Ant-Man and the Wasp now are trapped in the quantum realm.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah, like almost immediately they reverse that.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 6: It's like, oh, okay, they're going to be in here
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 6: for a little bit. Yeah, I thought we were going
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 6: to leave it like we did. on the cliffhanger at
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 6: the end of the second one. It's like, oh, he's
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 6: stuck there now. I thought that's kind of how we
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 6: were coming back to it.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 4: And so I thought maybe they were going to do that. Like, okay,
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 4: we're going to have Ant-Man leading the Freedom Fighters and
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 4: then he gives them the name the Micronauts or something.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 4: So we get that in there, but then they're like, oh, no, wait,
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 4: Cassie went over there She's the one who initially built
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 4: this machine, so she can easily repair it and open
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 4: the door back up.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 6: So within seconds, she can Iron Man her way right
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 6: in there and fix everything. So that's what she did.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah. So it's like, okay.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 6: Never mind.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Back to Baskin-Robbins. Yeah. So there you go. Oh,
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 4: and I didn't... That's great, too. We get lots of
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 4: Baskin-Robbins jokes, you know, bringing that nugget back from the
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 4: first movie, the creepy manager, whatever else. And then I
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 4: didn't notice it the first time I went, so he
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 4: picks up the ice cream cake, and of course you see, like,
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 4: this horrible aunt... You see a lot of mistakes on there.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 4: I didn't realize he spelled birthday wrong. But it's like
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 4: Biff Day or something like that.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he came out of retirement for that.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And my wife asked the very obvious question, like,
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 4: how do you screw up an ice cream cake? You know,
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 4: it's like... He seemed to find a way. It's like,
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 4: do they make the cake fresh there in the stores?
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 4: I always kind of was the impression that it basically
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 4: is like they just get like slabs of cake and
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 4: slather ice cream between there and there you go.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's just pre-made in a truck and you just
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 6: put the little... detail on the side there. You do
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 6: a little trim and you're good.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, or if somebody wants a specific flavor, you just
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 4: basically slather your brick of ice cream in between two
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 4: things of cake there and there you go. I don't know,
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 4: but either way, the man apparently is capable of screwing
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 4: up an ice cream cake.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 6: Can I at least make my... It's never too late
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 6: to not be a dick, but sometimes I still have to...
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 6: I've mentioned this many a time and I'm not trying
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 6: to be a jackass guy that thinks he can comment
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 6: on women's looks, I'm just being realistic. I do not
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 6: like her haircut. Hope, what are you thinking? I don't
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 6: like that haircut.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, I was confined the other movies.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 6: There's only a handful of women that can pull off
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 6: something that short.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 4: I don't know. It ain't happening.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 6: I don't get it.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 4: It didn't completely distract me, but I wasn't 100% a
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 4: fan of it.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 4: But see, the thing is that she dyes her hair
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 4: for the Ant-Man movies to play the character of Hope
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 4: as a brunette. But in real life, she's a blonde. Yeah.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 4: And so she's kind of running around with that length
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 4: of hair, and she's a blonde.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 6: See, I thought maybe it was just to simplify putting
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 6: the helmet on, because now she's in action mode the
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 6: whole movie. Unlike the first movie, she didn't have to
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 6: worry about that so much.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 4: The second movie in Endgame.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 6: Second movie in Endgame, she's in there the whole time.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 6: So I was like, maybe this just simplifies the whole problem.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 6: But I was like, well, but Cassie has a ponytail,
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 6: and she has no problem putting her helmet on. Yeah.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 4: I don't get it. I don't know.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 6: So it's not my place to say whether or not
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 6: You can do whatever the hell you want with your hair.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 4: Just saying. I don't like that hair. Yeah. There's a
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 4: couple of, you know, I don't know if these were
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 4: purposefully put in lines, but there's a couple of lines,
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 4: two different moments in the movie that kind of a
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 4: little bit, you know, mirror real life. There's a scene
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 4: where basically MODOK, a.k.a. Darren, sees Cassie for the first time.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 4: And says, Cassie, I barely recognize you. That one was, well, yeah,
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 4: that was funny.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 6: But also I do, while we're on that, I do
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 6: like him at the end going, you changed your hair.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That is funny.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 6: I didn't like the hair change, but it is a
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 6: funny line.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 4: The first thing, you know, as he's dying, he's like,
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 4: you changed your hair. But yeah, the line of, oh,
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 4: I barely recognize you, because that's the fourth actor to
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 4: play this role. The other line I thought was funny
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 4: was when basically, you know, Hank brings in all the
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 4: ant army and says something about I know socialism is
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 4: a charged word but we can learn a lot from
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 4: these guys and then Evangeline Lilly shuts him down which
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 4: is kind of funny because much like Letitia Wright in
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 4: real life Evangeline Lilly has gotten on social media and
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 4: made some controversial political statements and Disney had to basically
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 4: say shut your fucking mouth you.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 6: Are a big part of these movies would you like
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 6: to continue to be? Just people in general. Just like,
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 6: you can think whatever you want, but shh, don't get
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 6: on Twitter and say it because you're going to get
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 6: yourself fired.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah. So, you know, think whatever you want. I don't care, but. Yeah,
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 4: it's like, be fucking smart about this, people. It's like,
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 4: you are, it's like, it's one thing to have your
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 4: own political opinions and your own, you know, social opinions
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 4: or whatever else. It's like, But when you are a
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 4: part of a multinational conglomerate media giant that is fucking Disney,
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 4: you shut your damn mouth.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 6: Just from, like, again, I'm not telling you to do that.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 6: I'm just saying you should know to do that as
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 6: you're dealing with your livelihood at this point.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 6: You think you would have sense enough to be like,
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 6: you know what? I think I'm going to just back off.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 4: No, I'm not going to say anything, huh?
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 6: I'll just post this picture of a kitty, and that's
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 6: pretty funny, and people will like that. I don't really
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 6: need to go on a rant on Twitter right now.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 4: Great fucking case in point, Jon Voight. John Voight for
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 4: years had a great career. Some people knew him, knew
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 4: he was a political guy, knew he was a conservative guy.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 4: But the older he gets, the more crazy conservative he gets.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 4: And then guess what? You can't get in a fucking
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 4: Hallmark movie now. That's pretty much everybody.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 6: Everybody somehow becomes older and more conservative and more of.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 4: An asshole most of the time.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 6: I'm like, I don't care what your political beliefs are,
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 6: but just shut up.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Rob Schneider, there's a reason you're not getting cast
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 4: in anything except a podcast. There was a reason in
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 4: the 80s and 90s as far as I was concerned. Well,
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 4: he was Adam Sandler's buddy.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 6: That's how he got every role he had.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 4: He can get in movies and just be a funny...
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 4: I mean, I met the guy in person. He's a
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 4: nice guy. But it's like, okay, if you have controversial
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 4: political statements, just don't... say those in avenues where you
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 4: are written down or recorded.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 6: In any way.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 4: Where you're going to get yourself fired.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 6: Because you will.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 4: This is the world we live in. Yeah, and the
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 4: world of Hollywood is a liberal town oh yeah we
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 4: know this it's been that way since jump street.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 6: But it used to be you could do whatever you
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 6: wanted and everything got swept under the rug or even
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 6: the press used to look the other way and that
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 6: is not the world we live in now and you
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 6: know that since the internet came about specifically since social
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 6: media became a thing in the forefront at this point
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 6: that like you can't do that anymore and now that
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 6: basically not the world we live.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 4: In and then now that basically every citizen who owns
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 4: a smartphone is now considered a part of the media
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 4: yep you have a recording device in your hand that
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 4: you could broadcast it to the world.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 6: And no matter what you say even if you think
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 6: oh i might go back and delete that by this
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 6: time 4 000 people have already screenshotted it and you're
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 6: not escaping from it so there's no going back covering
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 6: your tracks like at this point just Just everybody shut up.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 4: That's the thing. Unless you're saying something like, you know what?
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 4: Puppies are great. Puppies are great. That's something everybody can
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 4: get behind. Sick with nice.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 6: Post a little post if you want to still have
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 6: a career. Again, I don't care. You can be an
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 6: asshole if you want, but don't expect to still have
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 6: a career when you post stupid things.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 4: Retire, then become an asshole. Yeah, you can think and
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 4: say whatever the hell you want.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 6: I'm not here to tell you, but I will tell
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 6: you you're going to get fired if you do it.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 4: People are dumb. Well, I don't know. It's just people just,
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 4: you know, the ego gets in the way of good sense.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 4: And y'all is like, I'm a famous person. I can
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 4: say what I want.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 7: No.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 4: You can.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 6: It's not going to work out for you.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, the whole thing is that some people
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 4: who've had the misunderstanding of things, of like, the internet
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 4: basically brought consequences.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 4: That's what it.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 6: I mean, you were held accountable for things you said.
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, I'll be damned. You know, that's kind of
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 4: how it should have always worked.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 6: But it didn't. And now all of a sudden, you're
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 6: actually responsible for the things you do and say.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sure. Oops, you know. I'm sure in all
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 4: of our youth, you know, or whatever else we've said
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 4: or done things we regret.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 4: But, you know, fortunately, no one was around to record
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 4: those things. That's not the case now. And so, yeah,
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 4: you got to be careful about that shit. It's a
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 4: different world. So, yeah, it's like, ladies, men, whatever the
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 4: case may be, it's like, Yo, Amber Heard is a
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 4: great example. She will not be appearing in the Aquaman
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 4: film coming out in November of this year. She was
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 4: in the movie. She shot all her scenes. She's still
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 4: getting paid for her work, but she will not be
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 4: in the final cut of the movie whatsoever. So, lesson
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 4: learned here, folks. Watch your shit.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 6: To counterbalance Don't Like Hope's hair, Michelle Pfeiffer looks amazing.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 6: Not to, again, be a creepy dude, but I'm just like,
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 6: I love the hair. Like, again, like, don't bother dyeing
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 6: it because she looks amazing.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 6: And, like, not just the hair.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 4: How the hell does she hold up like she does?
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 6: Because she is not a kid anymore and yet looks
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 6: so damn good.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 6: Points to you, Michelle.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 4: You look terrific. I would like to think she probably
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 4: knows what moisturizer is. Obviously. Amazing. And she looks like
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 4: she hasn't had any work done or anything.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 6: No, that's the best part is she doesn't look doctored
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 6: up like Almost everybody at this point.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, so it's like, yeah, she's just aging very,
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 4: very well and, you know, still got it. And then, like,
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 4: you know, this is, I mean, she's done some adventure-y
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 4: roles before and she, I mean, she was a freaking
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 4: cat one. But she did way more action in this
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 4: movie than I've ever seen her do before.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 4: Like I said, she is a full-on badass in this movie.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 4: I'm all for it. So, yeah. I would love.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 6: Michelle Pfeiffer.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 4: I would love to see more Janet Van Dyne in action. So, yeah. But, yeah. So,
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 4: you know, we've kind of talked a little bit about
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 4: Kang a little bit. But we've got to get to
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 4: Kang and talk a little bit more about him. Because, again,
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 4: this is our big bad for this movie.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 6: Chunk of this whole run for the next several years.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 4: So settle in we're gonna get real close with mr
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 4: majors here.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 6: Which at least this is promising you know if we
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 6: would have gotten in and went oh who is this
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 6: guy you know you'd be in trouble because it's not
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 6: a one-off villain like we've had those I feel like
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 6: that was one of my issues in that last Thor movie.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 6: I was like, well, that was.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 4: Oh, he's gone? Oh, well.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 6: So you don't have to worry about whether or not
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 6: you liked him because he's gone already. But this guy
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 6: is going to be around in the series, as we
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 6: see by the end of this, in the next upcoming movies.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 6: It's like he's our go-to.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 4: So... Yeah.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 4: So, of course, he's going to be, you know, different
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 4: than Thanos, you know, different type of villain. And, yeah,
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 4: what I like a lot about, you know, Kang is,
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 4: you know, very much when he wants to, he can
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 4: be very charming. He's highly manipulative, you know, like he
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 4: knows how to work somebody.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 4: And you kind of almost get a little bit of
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 4: mirroring from that from Janet, right? Because she's basically the
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 4: secret holder. She knows all the shit that's going on.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 4: She knows what they're heading into, but still does not
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 4: tell her family, does.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 6: Not tell her friends. Hasn't mentioned it since she's been back, period.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 6: And even when they're in the middle of this, it's
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 6: just like... Anyway, I've got to go look for somebody.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 6: I'm like, wow. Even now, when they're in danger, you're
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 6: not going to come clean on it.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah. So she's kind of holding back a lot of
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 4: secrets and manipulating the people she's with, but she's doing
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 4: it for protection or into that guy's. But it's like,
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 4: you need to come clean with the fact that you
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 4: have an Omega-level threat here who's been trying to get
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 4: out longer than you have now because you were in
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 4: for 30 years and you left, but he's still been
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 4: in here for another 10 years. So, it's like, and
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 4: what he did in that time is rather horrific. So, shit.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 4: But the interesting thing, jumping ahead to our cut scenes,
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 4: because we have two post-credit scenes, both dealing with Kang.
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 4: They didn't even switch up like they knew.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 6: Normally, there's like, here's what's coming next, and here's a
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 6: funny one-off thing we thought of.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 4: And we get a little bit of that because our
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 4: second scene, we see Loki and Mobius again. So it's like, okay,
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 4: we know we're going to be... Because, I mean, you
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 4: saw season one of Loki. You know season two, Kang
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 4: is going to be all over that. Things have changed,
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 4: and Loki's the only one that knows everything's different. So
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 4: we get a little bit of that, but we get
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 4: to see another different aspect of Kang... in that time
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 4: period and who he is and his style of character there.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 4: But then the first scene, though, was much more interesting
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 4: because we get the Council of Kangs.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 6: See, that's what earlier I was going to get to
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 6: because when you were talking about the different stages of Kang,
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 6: once we get to that point, I'm like, okay, so
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 6: now I'm trying to figure out what are those actually
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 6: different people and there are multiples of them or is
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 6: this the same guy in different time periods?
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 4: The Council of Kangs, it depends. This is like Rick
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 4: and Morty, right? Kind of, yeah. It is kind of
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 4: like Rick and Morty, yeah.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 6: So he hates all of them.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 4: You guys all suck. Well, that's the thing. Kang is
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 4: very prone to want to team up with himself, but
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 4: he's also very prone to want to manipulate himself for
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 4: his own means. Very much like Rick and Morty. And
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 4: if the other Kangs get destroyed in the process, that's fine.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 4: Very much like Rick and Morty. If they follow the comics,
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 4: the three Kangs we see initially in that scene, that's
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 4: Kang in three different stages of his career.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 6: Okay, so that is the same guy, he's just different
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 6: arcs coming back around.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 4: Same guy, different time periods. Out of time, yeah. Because
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 4: the ancient Egyptian, that's Ramatut. That's basically when Kang first
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 4: discovers time travel, he goes back to ancient Egypt, becomes
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 4: a pharaoh. and rules for centuries.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 6: Sounds like a pretty good gig.
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 4: I can't blame him on that one. And the Avengers
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 4: come across Kang in the modern world, but the first
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 4: time the Fantastic Four run into Kang, it's in ancient
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 4: Egypt and they meet Ramatut. So that's kind of our
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 4: first introduction, like, oh, Kang's been doing some shit. The
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 4: futuristic one, basically, that's probably like a much later, you know,
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 4: you know, version, you know, his armor is changed. Cyborg-y looking.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 4: Very cyborg-y.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 4: The other one is the most interesting one because that's Amortus.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 4: Amortus considers himself the lord of time. He almost considers
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 4: himself like a god where he basically controls time, can
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 4: easily manipulate it, manipulate events from the shadows. He's no
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 4: longer an active participant in stuff. He's basically the guy
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 4: in the big castle. Basically, he's almost kind of like
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 4: The version we see in the end of Loki. That's
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 4: what I was going to ask.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 6: Is that who we run into at the end of Loki,
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 6: or is that.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 4: A different variation? Different variation. But still pretty much that
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 4: same thing. Because that is basically a really, really, really, really, really,
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 4: really old Kang.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 6: That's the old, tired version of Kang. He's just like,
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 6: I don't even feel like destroying you guys anymore.
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 4: Well, that's the thing, though. He still does. But he's like,
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 4: I'm not an active participant anymore. I'll just sit here
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 4: in the shadows. And, you know, cut this time stream,
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 4: cut this time stream, cut and paste, you know. So
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 4: he's a projectionist now in an old movie theater. Yeah, basically.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 4: So he's still doing the manipulating and doing the evil things.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 4: But now he's doing it on a much grander scale.
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 4: And sometimes does things that would be somewhat considered good.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 4: But if you've got to break a couple eggs to
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 4: make the omelet, he's okay with that.
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 4: Because he's seen how it all works out.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 6: Right. When you're that detached and distanced from everything, yeah,
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 6: it's like you don't have any ties to these.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 4: They're barely even people anymore. This is just what happens.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 4: This is what I do. I've been doing this for millennia.
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 4: This is what it is. Immortus of those Kangs is
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 4: probably the most dangerous because of how he carries himself,
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 4: how he thinks of himself for that period of time,
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 4: how long he's been doing things. And then his modus
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 4: operandi at that point, because he's far more powerful as
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 4: Immortus than he is in the others.
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 4: So that's the most dangerous one. Now, whether or not
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 4: that's still the case or if that's just this is
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 4: a different variation of Kang.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 6: So everyone in the Coliseum there at the end is
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 6: all from different time periods.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 4: They're not just like cloning. No, they're not clones.
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 6: These are different time periods.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 4: Different time periods, different variations. That's kind of what I thought,
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 4: but I'm like, you never really know at this point.
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 4: Because it's kind of like we get a little bit
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 4: of that mirroring when basically, you know, Scott's trying to like,
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 4: you know, shrink the power core and you get like
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 4: all the multiple versions of it. That's kind of what
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 4: we're seeing in there. But at least those Kangs are
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 4: aware of the fact that they are a different variation
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 4: of things because they're They've served the time stream. They
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 4: just go and live their own life, more or less.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 4: An interesting thing, though, is that basically we're seeing all
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 4: the people, you know, they see that last shot of
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 4: all the, you know, arena full of Kangs all being,
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 4: you know, kind of very excited about being there and whatnot.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 4: There's one Kang that was a Skrull.
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 6: That we can tell or that.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 4: It's going to appear later? No, literally. There's two green-faced guys.
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 4: One's got this very lizard-y looking thing. It looks kind
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 4: of like an alien from the Sigourney Weaver movies, but green.
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 4: That was a Kang. But then we see up in
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 4: the back row, the last shot of the dude. He
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 4: has a screaming line, but he has a line. That
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 4: fucking Kang was a Skrull. Yeah. So, and our next
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 4: movie we're dealing with, or.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 6: Next series is Secret Invasion.
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 4: Oh, these Skrulls.
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 6: It's a good thing we won't hear anything else about
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 6: them anymore.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, except for Secret Invasion. So, yeah. So, I'm curious there.
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 4: Some interesting little Easter eggs. We're going to have to
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 4: kind of get to them. The second scene, the, you know,
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 4: basically the Kang kind of giving the presentation about time.
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 4: The sign labels that person's name as Victor Timely. Victor Timely.
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 4: If you remember back in the original Captain America, where
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 4: they're doing, like, a World's Fair thing, and where they're
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 4: trying to, they're talking about when they first experimented with
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 4: the super soldier stuff. Yeah. And they show the one
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 4: dude who basically is, like, giving a presentation. There's a
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 4: guy on fire inside of a bottle. That's the original
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 4: Human Torch from the 40s. Not the Johnny Storm Fantastic
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 4: Four guy. The android guy who's basically, you know, had
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 4: Human Torch-like powers, why not? Fought in World War II,
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 4: fought alongside Captain America.
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 4: But he was created by two guys, Phineas Horton and
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 4: Victor Timely.
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 6: Hmm.
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, how much are they actually going to do with that? Yeah,
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 4: is there any lead in that? Or is that just
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 4: kind of thrown in? Because there was another thing that
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 4: was also thrown in, too. The whole big scene with
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 4: the big action scene, the revolt, and the bridge gets
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 4: shut down. And they're trying to get the bridge back open.
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 4: And so basically they extract the code. The bridge code
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 4: was 18147?
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 4: All right. That was thrown in for all of us
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 4: issue nerds.
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 6: I was going to say, what issue number was that?
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 6: Because they love to do.
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 4: That in these movies. 181 was the first issue of
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 4: Avengers where Scott Lang is introduced. Alright. 47 of Marvel
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 4: Premiere was the first issue where Ant-Man was introduced. So
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 4: there you go. Extra little geek time. Little geekness thrown
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 4: in there, yeah. Mm-hmm. So yeah, like I said, the
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 4: whole Victor Timely thing, and the thing too is like,
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 4: Timely Comics was what Marvel Comics was called before it
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 4: was called Marvel Comics. And its logo was a shield
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 4: kind of logo. That sign that said Victor Timely was
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 4: a shield sort of logo, very similar. So I was like,
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 4: whether or not that means anything, or they just threw
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 4: that shit in just to throw that shit in. But yeah.
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah. There's a lot of deep dives for Marvel people, so,
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 6: you know, you gotta work those in somewhere. But yeah,
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 6: then they have to decide, oh yeah, are we gonna
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 6: do something with this?
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so they threw in a lot of stuff in there.
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 4: But yeah, so just, I guess the next time we'll
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 4: definitely see Kang. I'd love to. We don't get, like,
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 4: you know, most of the time we get the endings
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 4: of these movies and we'll get, you know, Captain America
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 4: will return or Thor will return. We didn't get an
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 4: Ant-Man will return. We get Kang.
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 6: Kang is coming back.
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 4: Don't you worry.
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah. We're going to see a whole lot more of
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 4: this guy. Most definitely. Yeah. So I'm very excited where
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 4: this is all going to lead because, you know, they're
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 4: following some stuff in the books, but they could definitely
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 4: take a lot of liberties and a lot of changes
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 4: of things. But, I mean, this guy's going to be
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 4: ruling the world here in a little bit. Yeah. I
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 4: wasn't sure.
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 6: What to think going into this one. And as I said,
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 6: once we get to the introduction of Kang, it also
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 6: just gets to be fun from a big crazy action
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 6: movie kind of thing. All of the whole setup with
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 6: him as he's sort of still snowing them and pretending
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 6: to be someone else until we get to the full-on
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 6: reveal from Michelle Pfeiffer. And then once we know for sure,
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 6: then he just becomes full-on villain. And then the big
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 6: battles in the end are really fun. So, yeah, that
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 6: whole last two-thirds is just so much fun that, yeah,
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 6: I ended up really liking this more than.
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 4: I even expected going into it. Yeah. That's kind of
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 4: the thing I had the suspicions about, that this was
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 4: going to be a much bigger film. because of, you know,
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 4: we're going into an entirely different section of the Marvel universe,
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 4: the quantum realm. So we get a whole new area
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 4: of discovery, you know, which I like those aspects. We
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 4: get like new realms, new worlds, new things to discover
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 4: because there are so, I mean, we've still got tons
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 4: more shit to get into, you know, the guardians, we're
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 4: going to be getting this guardians three. We're going to
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 4: be getting some other stuff on that road. The movies too.
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 6: So get that trailer. Yeah. The new trailer, the new trailer.
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 4: That's a lot of stuff.
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah. I, I, I'm looking forward to that just because
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 6: I always like what they do with most of the
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 6: Guardians run anyway. But yeah, they definitely have a lot
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 6: of new area to cover in that one.
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 4: And I warned my wife. I said, yeah, Guardians 3,
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 4: bring the tissues.
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 6: We're killing off some of these, if not a lot
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 6: of these people.
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, this thing is, you know, this is
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 4: the last run for this crew. If we do more
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 4: Guardians movies down the road, there will be different members.
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 4: You know, and there's, of course, there's a lot of
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 4: speculation that basically, you know, Gunn's going to take some
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 4: of his buddies over to D.C. with him. So we
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 4: may see Chris Pratt playing a superhero for an entirely
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 4: different company.
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 6: He can go. I'm fine with that.
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's fine.
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 6: I've soured on him a lot over the years. And again,
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 6: mostly real world stuff. I'm like, just another one that
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 6: I'm just like, shh, just don't talk about your life.
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 8: I know.
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 6: Just don't talk about your life. Just be that dumb
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 6: guy on screen. He's entertaining still on screen, but.
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I just stick with just watching him in Guardians
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 4: and then Parks and Recreation. I'm not a big Jurassic
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 4: Park fan.
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 6: I'm okay with them fighting dinosaurs, but again, that movie's
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 6: not good. But there's action scenes that are really good
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 6: in it, so I'll watch them fight a dinosaur.
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I haven't seen the new one yet.
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 6: It's not great. It's way too many things going on
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 6: at the same time. There's no reason for several of
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 6: those plot lines to be there.
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 4: Of course not. It's too much. Well, I mean, I...
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 4: Growing up as a kid, I never was a huge, like,
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 4: dinosaur kid.
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 6: I think they revoke your kid status at that point.
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I was, I got into, like, mythology
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 4: and stuff like that, so it's like, you know, in
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 4: D & D, so it's like, well, fuck a trancetops,
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 4: I would much rather, you know, deal with, like, a dragon, or,
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 4: you know. I guess. They're just the real world dinosaurs.
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 6: You know, a griffin or some shit, you know. Right.
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 4: Give me a centaur any day. I was dealing with
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 4: mythical monsters as opposed to real world shit. Shocking, right?
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 4: Affording real world topics? Who would have thought that?
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 6: That's when I'm always amazed that it still holds up.
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 6: Because I know the little kids I see now and
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 6: they're still like, yeah, dinosaurs! Still playing with the same
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 6: plastic dinosaurs I was a hundred years ago. And I'm like,
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 6: you know, dinosaurs. It just doesn't go away.
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 4: It's still.
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 6: it's funny even when they're young enough crosses over that
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 6: even girls are like yes dinosaurs like later they mostly
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 6: steer clear of it and we're like okay barbies are
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 6: cool or whatever but it's interesting how connected every.
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 4: Kid seems to be to dinosaurs yeah i mean grant
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 4: me you know it's not like i hate dinosaurs or
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 4: anything like that you know you know stegosaurus is you
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 4: know my personal favorite or triceratops but you know from
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 4: but for the most part though it's like I was like, yeah,
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 4: those are cool, but here's Godzilla over here. Or here's Tiamat,
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 4: the seven-headed dragon. I was like, I'd much rather deal
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 4: with that sort of stuff, because those are cooler. It's like, yeah,
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 4: those are nice, but a meteor took them out. They're pussies.
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 6: Speaking of which, we had Kaiju Ant-Man this time around.
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 6: I've said it every Ant-Man movie, and probably every one
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 6: he's in. I'm like, what a weird powers to call
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 6: him Ant-Man... Even though most of the time his go-to
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 6: move is to get giant. Especially in these Marvel movies.
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 6: Every movie he grows giant. And now so does the daughter.
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 6: At least, again, give her a new name.
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 4: Because she's not Ant-Man. She's not Tiny. Yeah, that's what
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 4: I said. Stature. That's the name she chooses. Kaiju Ant-Man.
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 4: But it's interesting, though, that they changed her costume. Because
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 4: in the comics, she sports a little bit of her
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 4: dad's colors. It's a little more.
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 4: Passing the torch kind of. No, it's basically like the
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 4: color scheme is definitely heavy on the red, like red
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 4: and silver with a tiny bit of black, whereas his
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 4: suit is like red and black and a little bit
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 4: of silver. So, you know, complimentary colors sort of thing.
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 6: Purple's way cooler.
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they gave her purple. I'm going with purple.
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 6: That's what I'm going with when I make my super suit.
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we don't have enough purple themed superheroes.
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 6: But yeah, I just noticed we got a lot of
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 6: giant Ant-Man. Which is fun, don't get me wrong, but.
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 4: It's, I'm like, That's not what ants are like at all. Well, see,
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 4: here's the funny thing is that basically in the books,
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 4: Hank Pym has five or six different personas that he's
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 4: had over the years. Start with Ant-Man.
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 6: This is why he just needs to be Pym-Man.
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 4: No, no, right.
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 6: Because the Pym is like the go-to now. I mean,
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 6: that's kind of almost as gotten as huge as Stark
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 6: Industries now. He's worked him in so many movies. He's
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 6: getting to be kind of a big deal.
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 4: Well, it's funny you should say that you don't call
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 4: him Pym-Man. So we start with Ant-Man, and then we
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 4: go Giant-Man, then Goliath, then Yellowjacket. So yeah, he had
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 4: that yellow... The Yellowjacket was his weird period where basically
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 4: he has like a He kind of snaps and goes
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 4: crazy and goes into spousal abuse. Cool. A very dark
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 4: period for Hank. Not cool, Hank. Yeah, they did it
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 4: to him in the 70s and they kind of, it
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 4: didn't go away in the 80s, but it's kind of
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 4: haunted him for the rest of his career. Yeah, there
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 4: was that part of time where you went crazy and
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 4: had a whole different persona where you were kind of like,
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 4: you know. He was basically Mr. Perfect Superhero, but he
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 4: was also like an asshole and then beat his wife.
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 4: So, yeah.
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 6: He's not cool.
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah. But yeah, so he's out of the others. Giant Man, Goliath,
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 4: Yellow Jacket. And then later, finally in the 80s, he
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 4: just goes by Hank Pym. And that was it.
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 6: Pym Man.
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, still does all that stuff. But then Ant-Man has
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 4: always been Ant-Man. But that was kind of the thing.
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 4: It's basically like. In his discovery of Hank Pym's discovery
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 4: of his own abilities and his science, it's like, okay, well,
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 4: first I'm shrinking things. Oh, now I can make things grow.
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 4: So then I just go back and forth. Again, but
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 4: why would you settle on one?
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 6: I don't know. And then the ant tie in. I'm like, well,
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 6: it seems like that's a whole different skill set.
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 4: I can talk to ants. That should be my thing.
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 4: Oh wait, but I also get giant sometimes? I don't know.
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 4: It's a lot of weird stuff.
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 6: I'll let it slide because I like these movies.
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 4: And the Ant-Man, talking to Ant-Communication, that only carries over
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 4: when he's in the Ant-Man stuff. So when he's Goliath
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 4: and Giant-Man and whatever else, the ants aren't there.
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 6: I'm getting big.
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. It's so unfocused as superhero powers go.
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 4: But again, I'm fine with it. Most of the time
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 4: he was basically, occasionally he would do some science-y stuff
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 4: or talk about science stuff. But for the most part,
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 4: it's like, okay, well, if we don't have Hulk or
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 4: Thor in this issue of Avengers, we need a Heavy.
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 4: Giant man! Mm-hmm.
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 6: While we were on the Giant, Cassie gets used to
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 6: Giant real quick.
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 4: She does.
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 6: Because that's the focus of the several times he gets big,
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 6: is that he just immediately passes out. And even Hank
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 6: says that when he was doing it. So it's interesting that, like,
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 6: She just kind of goes with it. And eventually we
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 6: get that last second moment of her collapsing. But I
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 6: was like, she's rolling with it pretty good. So she's
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 6: got you beat, Dad.
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 4: And I think it has youth to do with that.
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 4: Maybe so. Hank was doing it later in his career.
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 4: And then you know Scott has pretty much proven like
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 4: he's not an athlete or anything like that so but
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 4: yeah just the whole you know call back to needing
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 4: citrus you know it's like do they ever get any
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 4: orange slices.
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 6: Oh well I guess that's most of the goings.
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 4: On yeah I think we've covered all the bases.
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 6: Any final thoughts on this one I mean we know
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 6: we're headed to Towards a lot of crazy big bad stuff.
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah. That's kind of the unusual thing is that we
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 4: know movie-wise. Let's see. Our next movie is Guardians in May. Yeah.
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 4: And then it was going to be the Marvels, and
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 4: now that's in November. So basically May is our next movie,
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 4: but not going to be dealing with any of the
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 4: Kang stuff. So really like low-key. Season 2 of Loki
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 4: will be the next time, but God knows when that's
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 4: coming out.
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I thought that was pretty soon, but now everything's
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 6: a mystery. Time-wise, we all know it's coming, but we
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 6: don't know when on any of them, really.
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 4: I think it's kind of unusual, because Disney has been
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 4: complaining about low streaming numbers, or their ratings are down
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 4: for certain things, or whatever else. It's like, yeah, maybe
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 4: you need to roll some shit out.
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 6: I mean, it has been a while on the Marvel
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 6: for a full series, and then even... quite a lull
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 6: for i mean they were knocking out a couple of
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 6: star wars in a row but it's like we're finally
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 6: getting back to mandalorian so it's like it took them
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 6: a little while on that one too because for a
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 6: while it was one after the other like it was
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 6: back to back in fact some of it i wouldn't
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 6: finish one series without the next one starting there was
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 6: like a two-week crossover sometimes of like the last marvel
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 6: the next star wars whereas now we've had several months
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 6: of nothing so yeah.
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 4: So i think this year we also get the ahsoka
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 4: tana series too i think so yeah Yeah, so we've
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 4: got some Star Wars stuff coming. It's so unusual, though,
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 4: that we're getting all the streaming stuff of Star Wars,
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 4: but we haven't got a film since Episode 8. I know.
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 6: And there's nothing down the pike. They at one point
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 6: had a Rogue Squadron or something like that. And they
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 6: scrapped that. And then it could be back.
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 4: But now it's like.
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 6: Indefinitely back, maybe down the line. We don't know.
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 4: It's back. It's not with Patty Jenkins.
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 4: It's like everything's been pushed off indefinitely.
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 6: So they just got... I mean, the one-two punch on
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 6: those last movies.
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 4: Well, all three, really.
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 6: I mean, they had so much backlash from Last Jedi
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 6: to then.
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 4: turn around and.
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 6: Immediately throw Solo out there and nobody knew what the
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 6: hell to do with Solo. And then let's quick fix
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 6: everything and do the last one. And everybody got rubbed
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 6: the wrong way on that too. So they just had
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 6: three misfires kind of in a row. And they're just like,
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 6: you know what? People love this Mandalorian thing. Let's just
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 6: stick with the series. I think it's just safe. It's
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 6: also a little less investment because now they're doing it
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 6: all on the big giant screen. So there's way less
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 6: money involved compared to those full on movies. So yeah, I.
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 4: Think they're just playing it safe now. I mean, they
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 4: may be saving a little bit of money, you know,
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 4: cause it's not a, you know, you know, we're not
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 4: dealing with a two and a half to, you know, possibly,
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 4: you know, like a two and a half hour movie.
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 4: We're now dealing with basically a six hour series. It's
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 4: six to eight hours depending on what they do.
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 6: But at the same time, half of it, especially like
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 6: the stuff they were showing behind the scenes on Mandalorian,
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 6: like they weren't even building most of the sets. Like
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 6: it was all on the screen. So I'm like, Basically,
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 6: once you hire your actors and you get some good
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 6: costumes put together, you're set. Like, you don't have to
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 6: invest near as much on that stuff once you've got
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 6: that screen. So it's got to be massively cheaper because
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 6: they were still building huge sets and tons of props.
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 6: I don't know. I think it's just so much cheaper
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 6: to do it series-wise. I mean, even the ones they
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 6: did some stuff. Like, Kenobi, they did, like, some real
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 6: world and went and shot in a desert somewhere. Yeah.
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 6: I think.
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 4: They did, yeah.
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 6: But, again, that's a pretty low-tech one. You know, it's
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 6: like deserts and roads, and that's all you need.
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just true, yeah.
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so I think they're just scaling it back and
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 6: maybe reforming. Figure out what the hell they're going to
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 6: do next as far as movies. Because they can't be done,
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 6: but I think it just scared the hell out of them.
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 6: They're just like, oh, we thought we had Star Wars
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 6: fans forever. You know, we thought we could do anything,
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 6: and they'd back us. But that's not the case.
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I think it basically, you had a fan base
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 4: that was ready for some new stuff, but half that
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 4: audience was tentative because basically we had the three prequels
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 4: that Lucas put out, which, you know, there are generations of,
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 4: you know, fans who, though it's their Star Wars, that's
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 4: something they grew up on. Mm-hmm.
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 6: Like I said earlier, like it comes back around and like,
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 6: now that's a go-to for some people. So it's like
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 6: the kids grew up and like, not only do you
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 6: have to mention the prequels, but like Kenobi is a
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 6: whole tie in. Like everything that goes on is a
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 6: hundred percent, even to the point of bringing back Hayden,
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 6: you know, it's like they totally embrace the fact that
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 6: like some people like these, these were yours as his kid.
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 6: And now you're a grownup and you want to see
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 6: more with that. So they have to kind of fully
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 6: commit to it to some extent.
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 4: And as me, I basically am on the opposite camp.
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 4: I did not like that. I could basically take parts
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 4: from all three movies and make one really good Star
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 4: Wars movie out of that. And most of it's the
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 4: third movie. Yeah, most of it. I enjoyed the second
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 4: one more than most.
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 6: I think that second half is way more pulpy. It
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 6: is just a John Carter movie.
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 4: I'm fine with that.
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 6: And you threw some lightsabers in there. So, I mean,
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 6: there's no downside to that for me. Now, is it
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 6: a great movie?
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 2: No.
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 6: But is it fun?
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that last half's pretty fun. But it's interesting to
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 4: me how you could basically start to take the potential
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 4: from that second movie and then basically launch an entire
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 4: series that is far better than three movies.
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 6: Which, I mean, yeah, most people will go to animated
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 6: clone stuff and that's their canon more so than.
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 4: Worried about what happened in the prequels. And that's the
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 4: thing is that a lot of the people who are
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 4: fans of the prequels will agree with that and say, okay, yeah,
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 4: there's things we enjoy about the three movies, but really
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 4: the Clone Wars series is where it's at. Or they
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 4: just include it all.
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 6: Like, well, this is a continuation of that, so this
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 6: is equally as much part of the story as the
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 6: movies were.
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 8: So I'm like, yeah.
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 4: And that's the thing is, of course, they had a
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 4: Clone Wars animated film that was very much for kids,
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 4: which I would recommend just not watching unless you're a child.
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 4: The first couple of seasons of Clone Wars is still
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 4: definitely made for kids. But basically when you start getting
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 4: around season three and definitely in four, shit changes. It's
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 4: a different show. It grows up. And then the seventh
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 4: final season, I mean, when you get to those episodes,
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 4: especially when you get to like the last four episodes...
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 4: if you haven't watched the final season of Clone Wars,
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 4: binge all four episodes together.
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 4: Because that is probably one of the greatest Star Wars,
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 4: it's not a film, but it might as well kind
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 4: of is. Because it's extremely cinematic. Like, the whole last
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 4: season is very good, but those last four episodes, I mean,
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 4: everybody that's seen those will tell you it's those four
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 4: that just, like, Jesus, this is better than what Lucas
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 4: shit out.
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah.
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 4: So, but yeah. And the Rebels series was very much
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 4: similar to that. I watched a good.
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 6: Amount of Rebels, and it was really, I thought, really
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 6: well done.
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and another series that it was, you know, it's
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 4: definitely for kids, but it grew up. So by the
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 4: time you get to season five and six, and the
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 4: series ends, it's a grown-up series.
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 4: So that's the thing. There's just, you know, it's kind
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 4: of this funny thing now where it's like it was
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 4: seen as like Marvel doesn't do TV well, but they
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 4: do the movies really well. And DC does TV well,
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 4: but they don't do the movies well. Star Wars is
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 4: now getting in that camp.
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 6: They do great TV. They used to be known for films.
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 6: Now they don't even put out films anymore.
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 4: So it's a weird world. It is a very, very
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 4: real world. At least we got John Wick 4 coming out.
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I got that one too.
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 4: So that's that. I can't not love it. I mean,
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 4: just watching.
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 6: Just that thing that Keanu does that for a while.
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 6: It's so funny watching it, talking about things changing and
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 6: growing up. Like the thing that was a joke 20
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 6: years ago, now he can do kind of the same thing.
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 6: And you're like, yes, there it is. Like there's just
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 6: the way that he delivers stuff. That has become so
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 6: signature Keanu in general. But just because this is such
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 6: a huge part of who he is now, it's like,
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 6: it's John Wick. And, like, that's what we need is
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 6: Keanu to show up and be Keanu and kick people's ass.
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 4: So, yeah, that trailer looked really fun. Yeah. And it's
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 4: so funny to kind of think, like, you know, his
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 4: first foray getting into action stuff was Speed. And we're like, oh, great,
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 4: Ted's going to do an action movie. I like Speed.
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 4: I liked it at the time.
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 6: I've come to, like, really respect how.
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 4: Well executed that is as an action movie. To me,
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 4: that is a great one-time movie. Yeah. That movie is
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 4: tremendous the first time you see it. It loses everything
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 4: upon additional views.
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 6: And then the, I mean, Keanu is just there to
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 6: be there, but all the other performances, like, Dennis Hopper
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 6: is amazing. Like, as he always, especially at that era
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 6: of his career, he was just phenomenal. And had no
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 6: problem chewing the scenery and was great at it. And
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 6: then there's a reason the whole world fell in love
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 6: with Sandra Bullock.
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 4: It's in that movie.
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 6: You're right there going, look, charisma. Like she's just, whatever
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 6: Keanu's not doing, he's just kind of hanging out there
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 6: and jumping on a bus. But like Sandra Bullock is
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 6: like winning over the entire country in this movie. So
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 6: I'm like, everybody else showed up and brought their A-game.
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 4: So it's, I don't know.
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 6: There's something about that movie that sets it apart from
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 6: a lot of the other action stuff at the time
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 6: yeah but i.
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 4: Think definitely what changed things for him was doing the
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 4: matrix oh yeah because we see that in the john
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 4: wick movies that He gets intense in his preparation. Oh, yeah. Like,
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 4: you know, he knows Kung Fu for real because he
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 4: literally learned it for three movies and studied it every day.
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 4: And so has since repeated that when he did John Wick.
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 4: But even more, like, you see him handle a weapon
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 4: in the John Wick movies. And it's like, this is
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 4: a guy who's clearly trained. Like, he handles that weapon
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 4: like an operator, right?
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 6: It's just fluid at this point. It is just part
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 6: of him. No matter what the weapon is, it can
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 6: be anything.
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 6: You get to that last movie, he's just picking stuff
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 6: up off the set. And, like, it is just immediately
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 6: just part of him. And he will beat the hell
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 6: out of anybody in the vicinity.
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 4: But that's what so buys into the believability of his character. Because, like,
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 4: there's still elements from, like, you know, he just doesn't
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 4: look all that menacing and threatening, or he still kind
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 4: of looks nice, and I still see a little Ted in.
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 6: There or whatnot. And we all know now he is
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 6: the nicest dude in the world.
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 6: So, yeah, it's like it's kind of hard to picture
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 6: him being this badass, except he's so good at it.
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, when you see him in action, you're like, oh, shit, okay.
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 6: He's like, all right. I mean, he'll give you a
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 6: seat on the bus anyway, but if he wanted to,
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 6: he could kick your ass.
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 4: And keep it. Yeah. But I recently got to watch
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 4: the whole trilogy because my wife realized that she'd never
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 4: watched any of the films. And so like some of
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 4: her co-workers were like, oh, yeah, you guys, those are great.
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 4: You got to check them out. And so she just
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 4: got a wild hair press. Hey, let's watch John Wick trilogy.
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 4: And so like over a period of two weeks, we
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 4: knocked out all three movies.
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 4: And she enjoyed the hell out of them, was looking
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 4: forward to part four.
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 6: Yep. It's an interesting series.
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 4: Did not see it coming.
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 1: No.
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 4: I don't think anybody did. I don't think the studio did.
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 4: And the lovely thing too is that basically, you know,
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 4: the success of John Wick also gave us the film Nobody.
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 4: Because it's done by the same people, but it's like,
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 4: let's take a, you know, an even different turn of like,
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 4: here's a guy who definitely doesn't look like a badass
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 4: action guy of Bob Odenkirk. You know, we know as
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 4: a comedic actor, you know, but never in anything like this.
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 6: I mean, I put equally right up there with the
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 6: John Wick stuff, Atomic Blonde is so impressive. Just from
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 6: the fighting standpoint.
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah.
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 6: Like, watching those fight scenes they're just orchestrated so perfectly
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 6: that i'm just like yeah i mean you can take
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 6: keanu out of it and these guys know what the
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 6: hell they're doing like you can again there's just an
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 6: art form to making a good fight scene and a
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 6: good action movie in general and like they've got it
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 6: down like you know what they're doing.
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 4: Well and it's the that's the thing i like is
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 4: of course like in the 90s and the 2000s we
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 4: saw a lot of influence from hong kong cinema and Oh, yeah.
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 4: Influencing action films in the States. So that's why everybody's
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 4: carrying two guns and we're doing all the kind of
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 4: the John Woo kind of stuff. Now, what we're dealing
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 4: with is basically influence from Taiwan.
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 4: Basically, especially in the Raid movies. Which, the honest thing is,
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 4: a British filmmaker goes to Taiwan and makes T1E' s martial
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 4: arts action films. The first one is like a Raid,
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 4: no pun intended, but a... building raid, you know, last
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 4: standing kind of thing. And then the second film was
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 4: basically a Scorsese crime epic that also has a lot
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 4: of T1Es and, you know, martial arts. But the style
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 4: is very much kind of like Wushu Kung Fu, where
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 4: you kind of use everything around you, but it's a
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 4: lot faster. It's a lot more fluid. It's basically like, okay...
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 4: I'm going to punch you three times in the face,
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 4: and then while you're falling down, I'm also going to
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 4: smash your head into the wall and the floor as well,
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 4: just to get those extra elements of... you know, punishment
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 4: in there.
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 6: A little overkill, perhaps, but, you know, I really want
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 6: to hit you a lot.
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 4: Possibly overkill, yes, but it's like, okay, when I'm dealing
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 4: with a hallway full of dudes, I got to drop
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 4: this guy as quickly as I possibly can. And instead
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 4: of just doing the whole Akito, I'm just going to
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 4: snap your neck in one motion. No, I'm going to
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 4: hit you five times with five different things.
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 6: I'm going to pummel you as much as I can first.
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 4: But, I mean, it's exciting to watch. It's a new
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 4: way of doing things.
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 4: You can kick more than one ass more than one different.
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 2: Way, I guess.
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 6: And that, at least in the John Wick form, is
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 6: also coming our way. So here's all our coming attractions.
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 6: We've hit all the things coming soon.
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 4: In every avenue. I don't know about you, but I
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 4: am terrified, not in the way they want me to be,
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 4: but terrified about the Exorcist remake coming this year. No
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 4: trailers yet.
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 6: We've seen posters. I just heard about it, but I
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 6: don't know. They just keep Again, they keep trying to
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 6: return to this thing. I mean, how many sequels have
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 6: we already had? How many competing sequels have we had?
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 6: How many? I mean, this is so many times to
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 6: try to hit that same thing. And I'm like, it
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 6: really kind of worked once.
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 4: So like.
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 6: You keep going back to it.
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 4: The only sequel that's worth seeing is the third one, Legion.
• 2:23:08
  Speaker 6: It's made by the guy who knows the most about it.
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 4: That was his movie.
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 6: That's the one that he wanted to put together.
• 2:23:15
  Speaker 4: And then you had the prequel that was remade.
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 6: There's two versions, right? Yes, there are two versions.
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 4: But basically, it's almost two entirely different films. They're so different. different,
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 4: so they might as well be two different movies. So
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 4: technically you've got four sequels, but now they've just gone
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 4: and just said, you know what? Let's go and throw
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 4: the turd in the cinematic punch bowl and remake a
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 4: fucking classic.
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 3: No.
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 4: It doesn't work, people.
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 6: I was hoping at least they were doing just another
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 6: weird offshoot sequel, but remake, it's always a question.
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 4: But here's a weird one, though. They're calling it a remake?
• 2:23:59
  Speaker 4: But the little girl who gets possessed is not Reagan O'Neill,
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 4: but Ellen Burstyn is coming back and reprising her role
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 4: from the original.
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 6: That's what I thought. That's why I thought it was
• 2:24:13
  Speaker 6: a weird legacy sequel kind of idea because they brought
• 2:24:17
  Speaker 6: her back. So I was like, well, this is just
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 6: another let's return to the property with the original character.
• 2:24:23
  Speaker 6: But yeah, why you would want.
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 4: And why we have Ellen Burstyn back but not Linda
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 4: Blair too. I don't get it. This is not.
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 4: It's like, I know Linda's available. She's kind of retired
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 4: from acting for the most part. She's doing a lot
• 2:24:38
  Speaker 4: of pet rescue and activism and that.
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 6: Technically, we've got a whole extra movie in there if
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 6: you count Repossessed.
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 4: And then you do get Linda Blair.
• 2:24:48
  Speaker 6: Yes! There you go. That's your takeaway. Go watch Repossessed
• 2:24:52
  Speaker 6: and you don't.
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 4: Need this new movie. God, I haven't seen Repossessed in years.
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 6: I watched that. I saw that in theater, and then
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 6: I had a copy of it and watched it more
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 6: than I probably needed to.
• 2:25:04
  Speaker 4: I didn't see it in theaters, but I definitely rented
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 4: it when it came out. I'm a sucker for Leslie Nielsen.
• 2:25:10
  Speaker 6: I mean, it is that era of his ridiculous Leslie Nielsen,
• 2:25:13
  Speaker 6: and if that's what you're looking for, it delivers, and
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 6: all the timely references that are Barely funny for people now,
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 6: if you're not really old, all of the stuff they're
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  Speaker 6: referencing is totally gone and not even part of pop
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  Speaker 6: culture anymore.
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  Speaker 4: Except the worst joke that falls the most flat, because
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  Speaker 4: it doesn't make any fucking sense, is that the devil,
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  Speaker 4: the thing that gets her out is that he starts
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  Speaker 4: performing Devil in a Blue Dress because the devil hates
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  Speaker 4: rock and roll. Sure. No, he doesn't!
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  Speaker 6: Because rock and roll's cool and the devil's not.
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  Speaker 4: But, no, that's... See, they just tricked you with all
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  Speaker 4: that metal music.
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  Speaker 6: Truth is, the devil hates rock and roll.
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  Speaker 4: No, it's the devil's music. That's what makes it so enticing.
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  Speaker 6: Yep, everybody's just been wrong all these years.
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  Speaker 4: It's the damnedest thing. I refuse to believe that.
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  Speaker 6: All right. Well, there's a lot of things for you
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  Speaker 6: to go check out after you're done with your Marvel movie.
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  Speaker 4: There you go. Lots of exploitation, comedic things there. You know,
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  Speaker 4: Star Wars cartoons. Yeah. All kinds of shit. You got
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  Speaker 4: a lot of stuff to watch. You got a lot.
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  Speaker 6: So get to it. And I'm sure we'll be back
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  Speaker 6: with some Guardians talk before long.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. All right.
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  Speaker 6: With all that having been said, otherwise that about does it.
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  Speaker 4: We will return next time. Same geek feed. Thanks for listening. Later, folks.
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  Speaker 2: Feel like you're flying Higher than any plane.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody knows you And everyone knows your name.
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  Speaker 4: Pockets are breaking.
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  Speaker 6: From an overflow of wealth From up here where.
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  Speaker 2: I stand A speck of dust I see And though
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  Speaker 2: I love you all You look like ants to me
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  Speaker 2: And though I love you all You look like ants
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  Speaker 2: to me Look like ants to.
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  Speaker 6: Me Feel like you're falling No one can understand.
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  Speaker 3: Fear overtaken Like a giant in the van Paths obstructed
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  Speaker 3: Clouds you can't see through Vision is failing Lacking a
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  Speaker 3: guide with you Remark me where I stand.
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  Speaker 2: And though I love you all You look like ants
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  Speaker 2: to me Look like ants to me Flying Up above
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  Speaker 2: it all Falling The lines are just how small The
• 2:29:05
  Speaker 2: insignificant immortal man And once again Don't love you where
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  Speaker 2: I stand A speck of dust I.
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  Speaker 6: See And though.
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  Speaker 2: I love you all You.
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  Speaker 4: Look like acid.
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  Speaker 6: From up here where I stand A.
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  Speaker 2: Speck of dust And though I love you all You
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  Speaker 2: live against the need.
• 2:30:27
  Speaker 6: Quadrophenia. You guys are ready to talk about The Who, right?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I could talk about Quadrophenia. Actually, I saw that
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  Speaker 4: movie not too long ago. Just for gigs.
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  Speaker 6: I kept seeing the title of our actual movie and
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  Speaker 6: just going, I don't know. That's an odd way to
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  Speaker 6: title your movie.
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