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Is science dead? · UK Column Radio

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  None. It's been a while.
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  Mike Eden, thank you for joining me in the trenches.
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  German. It's, it's great to see your
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  face and to be speaking to you. My wife and I, we watched pretty
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  much all your interviews. So you're, you're a really key
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  guy for us. Well, Mike, you have been a key
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  guy for me, ironically. Let's just quickly go back just
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  a little bit of history. I think you and I were
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  introduced around late 2020 by our mutual friend Rana.
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  Filmish. Shame lot's happened to him
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  also, but what's happened since then?
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  Oh my word, we've been through the washing machine and you
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  know, several psyop campaigns and jabs and whatever, but but
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  it's good to see that you're, you're still smiling.
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  One of the reasons we like to listen to you is that your voice
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  is, is a good voice to listen to.
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  And you can't help but smile very often, which is it's rare
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  enough. So it's infectious too, as you
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  can see. Mike, I get that from Bob Moran,
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  he said Once Upon a time that you must treat everything as if
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  it's satire. Yeah, it's, it's there is
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  something I'm not, I'm not any good at that kind of stuff.
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  But I think I try to treat what's going on as lightly as I
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  can whilst not hiding from the seriousness.
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  Because otherwise you just become Doctor Doom, you know, a
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  depressed person. Somebody said to me the other
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  day, if you, you know, if you hold strong negative feelings
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  inside you without any, any release for them, it will
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  corrode you. And I, I think that's probably
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  true. And I, I've managed to not let
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  that happen because I basically I focus as much as I can on
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  objective things. I, I don't, doesn't bother me
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  which, which particular actor is doing what particular thing.
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  I, I don't get excited about individuals very much.
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  You know, who cares whether Bill Gates is Bill Gates or somebody
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  else's? They'll be replaced periodically
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  by other marionettes dangled in front of us.
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  So yeah, it's the I try to stay focused on what's happening, to
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  be clear about the biggest risks, occasionally delving into
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  detail to try and bolster the idea that I'm not completely mad
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  because a lot of people think I'm completely mad.
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  Yeah. And, you know, my wife keeps me
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  saying as well. And we, we, we're good at
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  laughing. So, you know, let's follow your
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  lead on that too. You know, life, life's a mixture
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  of some horrible seriousness and absurdity at the same time.
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  So I'm I'm with Bob and it's absurd.
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  I remember when when, when Rana introduced us and, and he said
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  in his email to me, there's a scientist.
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  I really, really want to introduce you to him.
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  And it got me thinking. Mike, is science dead?
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  No, it's a very good, it's a very good question.
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  No, I wouldn't say it's, it isn't dead because doing science
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  or, or looking at things scientifically is, is a process
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  anyone can learn to do. And a friend of mine describes
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  it as never pretending to know something that you don't, you
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  know, in a recent interview, I pointed out that that we've got
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  at least two kinds of knowledge, maybe more.
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  But these two are very clear to me.
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  Things you know because you've done them yourself.
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  You've put your hands on them, you you've wrestled with
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  whatever The thing is. You may fire a gun or planted A
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  crop or whatever it is, cut some wood up.
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  You know those things from experience.
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  And then there's all the rest someone told you and you chose
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  to believe them. And I've challenged people and
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  I've said that I've had to be honest with myself and accept
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  that probably like 95%, maybe more of what I think I know
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  belongs to that second category. And I can't, I haven't got
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  enough processing power to go and examine everything that's in
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  there that I think is knowledge. But when I Draw Something that I
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  didn't, you know, out of the library of Mike's memory and I'm
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  trying to apply it to some problem, I think, do you know
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  that? Or was that a story which you've
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  accepted uncritically? And that's one of our biggest
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  problems. I recently came across the
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  phrase preferred. Is it preferred reality?
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  Some, I think it's preferred reality.
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  It's a NATO phrase. And I saw it in the context of
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  some disclosures that NATO had essentially been running in the
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  EU or large numbers of countries we would think of as in in
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  Europe. And they were given instructions
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  to say this is a public health emergency, but it's going to be
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  run as if it was a military op. It requires these kind of
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  capabilities and we're going to tell you what you need to tell
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  the people. And we've all got to do the same
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  kind of thing just to keep the, the, the story straight.
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  And they said it's for good reasons, but they use the phrase
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  repeatedly that when we tell you these things and you're to tell
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  your population these things, it's to impose our preferred
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  reality. And I thought, God, that's,
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  that's the, that's the difficulty I face when I speak
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  to somebody who believes the narrative.
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  They're, they're living in a, in a, a different plane somehow
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  because they, they, they may know 50 or 250 things that I
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  know are lies or I've examined many of them and discovered that
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  they're false and but they don't know that.
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  And so when I pop in and say, you know, things like there,
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  there wasn't a pandemic, just a lie about it and a deliberately
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  inappropriate diagnostic test to to give the numbers.
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  And then unfortunately, people died in care homes and hospitals
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  and they, their deaths were attributed to this disease.
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  And there's your pandemic and they go nonsense.
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  I know lots of people who whatever, you know, I have
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  people who worked in hospitals. They'd have told me if that was
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  happening. But The thing is, the people in
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  hospitals, I've heard from other people who are, who worked in
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  intensive care, who were not trained intensivists.
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  They were, they were like General Medical staff, but they
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  got assigned to these newly opened intensive care beds and
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  they came in as plastic sheets hanging from the ceiling.
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  Everybody's gowned up with gloves and CBRN suits.
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  They look at each other and they can see terror in the other
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  staff's eyes and they're signalling what to do next on
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  the protocol and then nipping out of the room again.
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  So I'm sure when they came home, it was eerie.
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  There were 12 people in the room, all silent because they'd
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  all been sedated, intubated and ventilated.
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  All I could hear was the history of the machines and one by one
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  the heart traces went off. Just imagine how terrifying that
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  would be. We were doing all we could, we
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  followed all the instructions and they were just dying.
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  When that person comes out and tells their partner or their
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  friends, they're reinforcing the preferred, preferred reality.
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  But in practise, none of those people should have been on
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  ventilators. It's I don't know if I explained
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  this last time. So I'm a, I'm a research
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  scientist, not a doctor, but I've worked in the field of
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  respiratory for pretty much 40 years, just under 40 years.
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  Yeah, 40 years. This year my PhD was in
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  respiratory depression and opiates.
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  So I just classified. So when we breathe in, we draw,
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  our diaphragm is contracted and so it falls downwards towards
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  your abdomen and we swing our chest muscles forward and
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  upwards. And those two things together
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  make your chest into a bellows. There's negative pressure
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  between the inner wall of your chest and the outside of your
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  lungs. So and so as a result of that
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  reduced pressure, air flies into your airway, through your open
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  airway all the way down. So here is my contention.
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  Germans for the listeners, no patient with an intact
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  unobstructed airway. So a hole all the way from the
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  mouth down to the bottom of the lungs and with an intact chest
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  wall. They've not been crushed, shot
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  or stabbed, paralysed or hit on the head, so they're able to
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  produce rhythmic respiratory movements and the air will go in
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  and out. No person like that should ever
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  be sedated, intubated and ventilated.
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  Why? Because when you ventilate, you
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  do it naturally. You produce that negative
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  pressure and the air flows in nicely and inflates your lungs
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  gently, and then the reverse happens on exhalation.
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  It's not true with a ventilator. With a ventilator you're being
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  blown up like a balloon. Now it's not as gross as you
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  heaving away on a birthday balloon, but that's what you
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  have to do. You have to mount a considerable
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  intra tracheal pressure, the opening pressure to begin to
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  inflate your chest and lift your chest up against its weight and
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  keep pumping the air in until you've got whatever the required
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  tidal volume is, which is usually half a litre or so.
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  And then when that machine goes off, then your, your chest
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  collapses and outcomes the air. Well, when you do that, it's an
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  incredibly aggressive act on the human body.
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  You're pumping it up, letting it collapse, pumping it up, letting
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  it collapse. That's the reverse of your
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  normal Physiology for your entire life.
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  That process of pressure and then collapse tends to produce
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  lung injury. Eventually water starts leaking
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  out of damaged blood vessels and you get an edemitus lung.
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  It's called AC lactase. It's gradually the most
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  peripheral areas of your lungs start to fill with water and
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  what happens is the pressure required to ventilate you
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  steadily rises and rises and it's you're on, you are on a one
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  way tickets to death. So and you need very skilled
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  internists. They call it flying the patient
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  because they're measuring they're monitoring the volume,
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  the rate at which they inflate you, the pressure at end
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  expiration. When you breathe out, you don't
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  breathe out fully, right? If I breathe out, I can breathe
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  out another litre easily. So you don't go to the bottom.
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  But if you're lying on your back unconscious and the machine just
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  goes off, your chest collapses. So you need to apply a positive
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  end expiratory pressure, it's called PEEP, and that's adjusted
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  by the internist in whatever intensivist.
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  So there's multiple dials you're playing with.
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  It's a very complicated machine that they cost, I don't know,
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  10s of thousands of dollars, maybe hundreds of thousands.
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  They're built by hand at the race of a few a week and a
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  couple of factories in Germany, in Switzerland.
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  So you could never have ordered 30,000.
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  That's a joke. I knew that.
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  I knew there weren't that many in there weren't that many in
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  inventory anywhere in the world, nor could they be provided this
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  side of the following year. I know this, I've seen these,
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  I've used them. So if you take a person who
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  might be having a panic attack, maybe they have got a cough and
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  they're hyperventilating, their eyes are rolling in their heads,
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  their heart rate's ready and 200 or 150 and their blood gases are
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  all over the place. You don't sedate, intubate and
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  ventilate because they'll probably die, which is what
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  happens in 95% of them. What you should do is calm them
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  down, take a proper examination, you know, tapping their chest,
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  listening to their chest. You know, it's auscultation, I
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  think. And they use a stethoscope and
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  they, after a while they'll conclude this person is not
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  injured, but they're clearly in a state of heightened anxiety.
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  You might prescribe the lowest dose of an anxiolytic one time.
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  It's amazing. If you've ever had a panic
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  attack, which I did as a 30 year old, the tiniest dose of an
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  anxiolytic just dissolves your anxiety.
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  And 20 minutes later, you're looking at the ceiling and
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  everybody looking at you and you go, what?
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  It's like, what? And they're going, are you all
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  right? It's like, yeah, what's going
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  on? It's like, well, you were off
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  your head, Mike, you, you were crying.
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  You're rolling around on the floor.
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  He said you couldn't breathe anyway.
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  So this is what happens when you if you're if you lose it and
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  you're whatever, you get overwhelmed by events.
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  Sometimes it can be fear or grief or, or the television's
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  told you you could catch this virus and die.
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  And people were rolling up at hospitals and I think a lot of
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  them were in a state of panic that the people assessing them
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  thought, Oh my God, they've got COVID.
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  Look at this. Their heart rates, heart's
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  racing, can't calm. They're breathing down.
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  They're telling me they can't breathe, they're short of air.
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  Get them on the ventilator. What they should have done is
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  take a proper history, if appropriate, the lowest dose of
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  an anxiolytic cup of tea. Kindly hand on the arm or come
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  and see you later in 20 minutes, dear, you know, and then, oh,
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  I'm feeling. And then if, if you need, if
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  you're feeling a bit breath, just take a breath of this
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  little mask. It's got like a little extra
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  oxygen for you and we'll come and check you again.
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  I reckon 95% of the patients, 90% would have just gone home.
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  But these people were recruited into a preferred reality.
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  And I think initially, and I always thought this, I think
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  initially most of the medical staff were also induced into
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  this preferred reality and and therefore went on unknowingly to
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  kill their patients. I'm sure the senior
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  pulmonologist damn well knew because I knew as a non doctor
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  that this is wrong. You know, I knew as a non doctor
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  this is wrong. People might say this is crazy.
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  It doesn't. Might know that these
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  ventilators are life saving. Yeah, of course they are.
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  You know, if you've had head injury or drug overdose.
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  So you're not breathing properly on your own.
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  Your normal respiratory rhythm is gone or threaded.
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  You don't get them on a ventilator.
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  They're gonna die. If they've had a chest injury,
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  Pneumothorax, it's called, where you've got a RIP in that chest
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  wall. So you try and breathe in and
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  air just goes into the through the slit in your chest.
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  So if you've been stabbed, you know, you've got to cover that.
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  You won't be able to breathe in. If you just leave it uncovered,
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  you'll get this air whizzing in and out your chest and you'll
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  just die. So yeah.
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  And then if you want planned surgery, you know, I think most
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  people who have complex coronary bypass probably go on a
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  ventilator, or at least it's available for them during the 24
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  hours of recovery. Major surgery anywhere in the
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  body, that's going to take 8 hours.
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  You're going to be so deeply sedated, you're probably going
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  to be ventilating you. And then the last category I
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  think of is people who've come in with such appalling injuries,
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  like all four long bones broken, you know, after a fall, a
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  parachute accident or they've been burned, you know, a third
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  of their bodies burns second or third degree.
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  And the only thing you can do is sort of to try and relieve them
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  of pain if you deeply sedate them.
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  And then you might put them on a ventilator until they can be
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  assessed and so on. Other than that, yeah.
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  And don't take walk in patients who've got an unblocked airway
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  and then attack chest or you don't sedate.
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  Incubate ventilator, ladies and gentlemen, in every hospital,
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  every major hospital in every country in the West.
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  That's what happened to your relatives when they went in.
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  So that's part of the fraud. And I, I only referred to
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  because, Jim, we were talking about a new phrase for me that I
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  learned from someone who'd been reading the NATO Population
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  Control Handbook or whatever. It wasn't called that, but they
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  were describing instructions given to ministers of all of the
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  like the major countries. You may find a video of I think
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  it's the defence minister or the home secretary of the Dutch
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  government. And the lady is at the
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  microphone saying I didn't want to have to do the things I have
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  to do. But yeah, but it was for the
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  best and and I didn't feel good about it.
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  So what the NATO people had said was this is a major emergency.
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  We need to run it like a military op.
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  We need to impose on the population our preferred reality
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  and the reason I stuck in my mind, I think I only read it a
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  day or so ago is my God, that's where your friends and family
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  and relatives that you can't reach there in this preferred
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  reality that was imposed on them by through the media and through
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  governments and and these screens and everything.
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  I escaped it because by at most late spring 2020, I just
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  thought, hello, pops and all your houses.
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  And I turned off all, all news media, including alternative
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  news media, because I concluded quite quickly that a lot of
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  those, voluntarily or not, weren't really on our side.
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  They were, they were revealing some information that was true.
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  They generally didn't lie, but they would hang back on, for
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  example, no one would have told you what I just did, you know,
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  no one medical would tell you that.
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  And yeah, so that people ended up in a reinforced preferred
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  reality if they escaped the A grade, which is watching the BBC
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  or Reuters, if they escaped from that because they were
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  suspicious, they fell into the net of the Level 1 alternatives
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  who were not lying to them mostly, but they were not
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  telling the whole truth. And only the few people,
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  difficult people like you and me, just thought this doesn't
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  make any sense. You know, I'm going to go and
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  explore. We've jumped out of the basket
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  and I don't know how far you fall, but there's another level,
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  which is what's his name, David A Hughes, who's a international
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  relations scholar or was before he left university, professor
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  position. He was interviewed by James
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  Tellingpole recently and he was describing the the rather
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  depressing third category. And I think James at this point
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  quipped it's a small club and there's hardly anybody in it.
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  It made me. Made me laugh.
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  It was a typical telling Polism. Because that's the point you get
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  to the point where you realise you can't trust, you can't trust
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  any kind of large scale media organisation, whether it's one
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  that was established before or what.
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  Basically, once it's got money swirling through it and lots of
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  stuff. I, I, I struggle to think how
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  you would avoid being infiltrated and controlled.
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  At some point, you know, people would just come in and say it's
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  a nice studio you've got here. It'd be ashamed if anything
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  would have happened to it. Or the same about your family or
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  your, your job. And quite quickly, I think
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  people will just do what they're told.
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  And the only ones who won't, they're in this third category.
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  That's it's not a very big category.
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  But good thing is, I think it includes whatever percentage of
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  the world population knows they've been lied to, that we're
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  fellow men and women with them. I don't know if you remember a
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  few years ago, you and Matthias Desmond both appeared alongside
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  each other on my on my show. And Matthias has spoken about
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  the number he generally refers to about 30% or around about a
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  third of all people at any given time can see through it.
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  And I've, I've often wondered, Mike, why us?
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  Why are we part of that third? My bet is it'll be something
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  about your your nature and nurture and upbringing, you
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  know, it'll be something inherent in each of us.
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  And then something about upbringing.
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  So my, my by nature and people often got me wrong on this in my
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  career. And when it happens, I always
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  used to smile because they see me as mild mannered, pretty
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  gentle, easy going, cooperative and so on.
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  And they, they thought, well, we don't need to pay any attention
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  to what he thinks, you know, when they're working on whatever
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  their Machiavellian plan was. But later on when basically
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  they've trod over one of my red lines and I just literally would
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  not move, you know, to the point that this project ends here.
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  If you're going to insist on that, you know, or this is the
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  end of this company, I'm not going to raise money if these
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  are the terms, you know. Oh, crikey.
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  And I, when I get to one of those points, I, I, I am
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  incredibly stubborn. Just a tiny family story.
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  It must have been, I must have been like this when I was tiny
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  because my my two sisters are both older than me.
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  So when I was like 6 or 8, they would be much more powerful than
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  me. And I remember at the weekends,
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  quite often we'd be wrestling in front of the TV or whatever.
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  Maybe all in wrestling was on the TV at the time.
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  My dad was a fan and my sister would often get me in a
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  chokehold and my dad would say, you have to, what is it?
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  You have to bang the floor or give in.
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  And my dad said, MM, give in, you know, bang the floor and I
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  wouldn't. And he said there was at least
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  one occasion where you went blue and had to go over take the
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  sister off you and more or less swing you upside down.
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  I would not give in to the point of unconsciousness.
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  I wasn't even in, you know, I know it's dumb, but I'm just
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  trying to answer the, the question.
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  So I think that's inherent in me.
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  And then upbringing. I've, I've always been just
• 21:45
  incredibly inquisitive. I've been one of those annoying
• 21:48
  kids that would say, well, why is that then?
• 21:51
  How does that work? Why is that?
• 21:53
  Then how do you know that? And I, I think I worked out
• 21:58
  quite early on that we don't know that much about anything
• 22:01
  because even people you ask, they get to a point of
• 22:04
  irritation and, and they, they might snap, but then they would
• 22:08
  say, look, the honest truth is this is, this is the best
• 22:10
  explanation I have of this. If you want more, you're going
• 22:14
  to have to go and ask an expert. And I'm like 10 or something.
• 22:17
  It's because it's not because I'm clever.
• 22:19
  I just keep saying, oh, that's interesting, how do you know
• 22:21
  that? And then they realise they don't
• 22:22
  know how they know that. So that combination of, yeah,
• 22:28
  I'm, I'm very cooperative, but not if it goes over my red line.
• 22:32
  If I get to Mr Stubborn, there's no moving me because it's wrong.
• 22:38
  You know, I'm not going to change until I know why I should
• 22:41
  move to action. And then, yeah, just a link to
• 22:43
  inquisitiveness. Those things let me play.
• 22:46
  Devil's advocate for a moment. You spend the greatest the
• 22:50
  greater portion of your career in the pharmaceutical sort of
• 22:54
  lanes. How did you?
• 22:55
  How did you not see anything then?
• 22:59
  I'm, I think I must be naive. I'll tell you, I was aware that
• 23:06
  I think maybe there were three major, you know, criminal cases
• 23:11
  involving my employer. It was two or three anyway,
• 23:14
  because I've worked with two or three large companies.
• 23:17
  Welcome. Then blacks are welcome briefly
• 23:19
  and then Pfizer. And so there were a number of
• 23:21
  cases where, you know, Pfizer was fined, I think $2.3 billion
• 23:25
  when a billion was a lot of money.
• 23:27
  Now we weren't being fired, fined in research for anything
• 23:31
  we in research have done wrong. The corporation was being fined
• 23:34
  for we didn't quite know what, you know, it's like mis selling
• 23:38
  or hiding safety, you know, hiding lack of safety
• 23:42
  information. And I, I think naively, I never
• 23:46
  attributed it to the company, but say over keen sales forces
• 23:53
  because I know, I know there was one fine for I think it's
• 23:56
  called, is it called off label promotion?
• 23:58
  So if you've got a drug and it's approved for a certain migraine
• 24:02
  headache, you can't start saying, oh, it's good for all
• 24:04
  headaches. If you've no data, you haven't
• 24:06
  got it approved with the FDA for all headaches.
• 24:09
  You are not allowed to imply or say that it's not just
• 24:13
  migraines, Dr It's all headaches.
• 24:15
  You know, something like tension headaches as well.
• 24:17
  So it's, but you can imagine how, how easily a sales Rep, I
• 24:22
  don't know whether they still exist, but they did in the 90s
• 24:24
  and 90s. You're visiting 5 doctors a day.
• 24:28
  You're trying to pitch this drug.
• 24:29
  That's how it worked. And you try and persuade they I
• 24:32
  not that I did this. This is what I understand.
• 24:34
  They would try and persuade the doctor to prescribe your product
• 24:38
  more often than the competition. He'd leave little mementos,
• 24:42
  little desk ornaments, a reminder, and he'd want to hit
• 24:45
  them with the key points. But you're only allowed to.
• 24:50
  You're not allowed to say things that aren't true, that were
• 24:52
  beyond what you've negotiated with FDA.
• 24:54
  But I bet you people just went a little bit over.
• 24:57
  But all the time. It's probably what they did.
• 25:00
  And I imagine there was a team leader and then a captain of all
• 25:03
  the team leaders that said we need to push on Viops or Viagra
• 25:07
  this quarter. We're short and people wouldn't
• 25:10
  know what that meant. So I'd just go a little bit, you
• 25:12
  know, don't lie, but just hint. And I assumed eventually that it
• 25:17
  was, you know, basically the attorney general said you guys
• 25:21
  have systematically and persistently failed to comply
• 25:25
  with what you agree with. FDA fine, guilty, you know, it's
• 25:28
  criminal. You're not allowed to do this.
• 25:30
  So you I didn't know. Now, I mean, I don't know for
• 25:35
  sure, but looking at what the corporation's done, knowing that
• 25:39
  the CEO is a respondent in various court cases, it's not
• 25:44
  this person isn't. I'm not just managing the
• 25:46
  corporation. They know what's going on.
• 25:50
  They know that what's been shipped out of their
• 25:52
  organisation were not vaccines. You know, the Albert Baller is,
• 25:58
  is a veterinarian, but he's a clever guy.
• 26:01
  You know, he's been in applied science for decades.
• 26:04
  I would say to people, he knows what I know, right?
• 26:08
  I, I've never had to use anything more than basic
• 26:11
  knowledge in my field, like the ventilation stuff.
• 26:16
  If you, if you had, if you were to have lectures on how to
• 26:18
  ventilate a person, it'd probably be in the 1st chapter.
• 26:20
  All this stuff, how Long's work, why ventilation is necessary but
• 26:26
  inherently dangerous. So you have to watch out for
• 26:28
  these things and then we'll get into the practise.
• 26:30
  So there's no possibility that he doesn't know that if these
• 26:34
  injections did what they said on the tin, that is there were
• 26:37
  genetic code that made your body form a protein according to that
• 26:42
  code that it wouldn't trigger autoimmune attacks in every
• 26:45
  cell. He knows that he's a clever guy.
• 26:48
  So whether that's what went out or not, he was the captain of
• 26:52
  the company that shipped 10s of well known billions probably of
• 26:56
  doses in this material. Also, he knows that you cannot,
• 27:01
  you know, the expression, politically incorrect
• 27:03
  expression. You can't make a baby in one
• 27:06
  month with 9 women. My head of chemistry used to use
• 27:10
  that expression because it's, it's one of the better ones, you
• 27:14
  see. And they said, oh, you can't say
• 27:16
  that. He says, we'll come up with a
• 27:17
  better analogy then. Anyway.
• 27:19
  So The thing is, it doesn't matter how much results you
• 27:22
  throw at the process of development and manufacturing of
• 27:26
  a complex product. It can't be done in 10 months.
• 27:29
  Whatever it was a friend who works his whole life in
• 27:33
  manufacturing quality. You know the the the tests for
• 27:37
  evaluating whether you've made it each step, what you intended
• 27:41
  to make and what the impurities are before and after
• 27:44
  purification. Each step has to have all of
• 27:47
  those tests validated. So you have to check that things
• 27:51
  don't interfere with them, that they're very that they're
• 27:53
  precise and reproducible. And you negotiate with the
• 27:56
  regulator and you show them what they're doing and they go, that
• 27:59
  looks a reasonable protocol. Or we don't think you should use
• 28:03
  gas chromatography because of their very large molecular
• 28:05
  weight species. You should use or in addition
• 28:08
  mass spectrometry or something. It's a negotiation.
• 28:11
  And he said the manufacturing methods of validation and
• 28:16
  agreement with regulators would take between one and two years.
• 28:20
  That's just for the measurements, what tests you do
• 28:24
  and then how to show that those tests are being done properly
• 28:26
  and capable of telling you, steering you through the
• 28:29
  manufacturing process so that you can believe quality control.
• 28:32
  At the end. He said one to two years.
• 28:35
  Well, they have a few weeks. So I know they did not do what
• 28:38
  they said. You can't do it in 10 months.
• 28:41
  And they didn't do when you, when you develop a drug, you
• 28:45
  make a small amount, you do some initial animal toxicology or
• 28:48
  whatever test you're going to do in test tubes, if that's OK, you
• 28:52
  make a bit more. And then maybe you'll dose your
• 28:55
  animals for what's called regulatory tox.
• 28:57
  So you might dose them for three months, something like that.
• 29:00
  You might make various measurements.
• 29:02
  That process alone that I've just described is way more than
• 29:05
  a year's worth of work, even if you go to the most professional
• 29:08
  contract research outlets. I know I did it as recently as
• 29:12
  2016 as CEO of a biotech. I had to negotiate these with my
• 29:16
  colleagues. You can't do so.
• 29:19
  That's just the tox. And then phase one, you have to,
• 29:22
  you have to do single dose dose escalation in healthy
• 29:24
  volunteers. We would reckon that entire
• 29:27
  process of getting ethics approval, getting the protocol,
• 29:30
  getting ethics approved approval, either recruiting
• 29:33
  centres, they might be hospitals or if you have an in house unit,
• 29:36
  you might do it in house. And then doing the dosing,
• 29:39
  getting all the measurements you're looking at safety,
• 29:41
  toleration, pharmacokinetics and writing that up.
• 29:44
  That alone is about a year in big pharma with its pedals in
• 29:48
  the metal, right? I know that.
• 29:50
  So you could you shorten it. Yeah, you could probably shorten
• 29:53
  that even to three months, but you haven't got three months.
• 29:57
  I've just told you, you need one to two years just for the
• 29:59
  manufacturing methods. So I knew, ladies and gentlemen,
• 30:02
  and I maintain to this day that what they've told you they have
• 30:05
  made is not possible in the time they made it.
• 30:08
  So either A, they made it before the event, which is not good, is
• 30:14
  it? If they made it before the
• 30:15
  event, then they've simulated the event, or they've released
• 30:18
  something at you which we could come back to.
• 30:20
  But neither of those are good, right?
• 30:22
  Or what? They didn't make what they said,
• 30:25
  but they've jabbed 6 billion people.
• 30:28
  I'm not sure whether you should like either of those two things.
• 30:32
  You don't need to be highly sophisticated to know that what
• 30:35
  I just tell you told you is true.
• 30:38
  It's verifiable. You could, if you've made some
• 30:41
  notes, you could go and even ask Grok or something and it will
• 30:43
  tell you the same thing. What's the typical time to do XY
• 30:46
  and Z? So I, I, I've told people I'm,
• 30:51
  I'm kind of almost bored with talking.
• 30:52
  Not, not that you can tell from this, but giving these
• 30:55
  interviews, I have nothing new to say, but it's obvious
• 30:59
  thoughts as a pandemic. I always refer to Dennis
• 31:03
  Rancour, who I think you've spoken to.
• 31:05
  Yeah. And he's, he is one of the more
• 31:08
  scientific people. I'm capable of being a
• 31:11
  scientist, but I always say I'm trying to investigate a damn
• 31:14
  crime scene, not trying to write a paper.
• 31:16
  You know, I'm just like an ordinary person.
• 31:18
  I'm just using what the skills and knowledge I've got.
• 31:21
  But then this is in addition to that is working with colleagues
• 31:24
  and painstakingly writing hundred page monographs, you
• 31:28
  know, And so there was no pandemic.
• 31:30
  There's no hints of 1. And the, the, the recent thing I
• 31:34
  say is that you can't declare a crisis unless there's a sign of
• 31:37
  a crisis somewhere beforehand, which you might not be able to
• 31:40
  see, but someone level up might be able to see.
• 31:43
  So if someone's saying there's a forest fires coming towards your
• 31:46
  city, someone's got to smell smoke, smoke or sea flames.
• 31:50
  If there's an imminent shark attack on a beach, someone's
• 31:52
  seen the fin. If there's if there's a supposed
• 31:56
  pandemic coming, some people somewhere have got to have been
• 32:00
  ill in greater numbers and died. And when they didn't anywhere
• 32:04
  and then they said there was a crisis and then they started
• 32:07
  dying so that no vaccines, no pandemic.
• 32:11
  And then it just gets worse from there.
• 32:14
  Yeah, I'm with you. I mean, I I was pretty much red
• 32:17
  pulled after after chatting to Denis.
• 32:21
  By the way, it's Denis with a silent S because he's Canadian
• 32:24
  and French. So you must you must sound
• 32:27
  fancied Mike. Well.
• 32:29
  I yes, I usually do both so that people can spell phonetically.
• 32:33
  But yeah, Denis Ancour. But it's it's I'm also bored of
• 32:37
  talking about COVID and the mechanics of it.
• 32:38
  I mean, I agree with you completely, but it does create
• 32:41
  the framework for something that a previous guest of mine,
• 32:45
  Jessica Hockett, very funnily said.
• 32:48
  She said, I started looking at the, the the New York hospital
• 32:52
  data in 2020 and I found myself asking if man actually landed on
• 32:56
  the moon. That's precisely, yes, that's
• 33:04
  precisely my journey also. Quite.
• 33:06
  Quickly you realise that, well, I'm not being told the truth
• 33:09
  here, I'm not being told the truth there.
• 33:11
  And I've listened to somebody else who sounds like he knows
• 33:13
  what he's doing and he's revealed two other dirty great
• 33:16
  lies. So it's like what is true?
• 33:20
  My general rule of thumb now, which has nearly got me into
• 33:23
  trouble. I'll try it with you.
• 33:26
  Anything that is of at least moderate importance, I know
• 33:30
  that's a bit of a fluffy one, but we know anything that's of
• 33:33
  least moderate importance in that everyone's been told is a
• 33:37
  lie, yes. Yeah, so my, my in inversion.
• 33:43
  Yeah, my good friend Nick Hudson, he he he said something
• 33:47
  very similar. He said anything that's big is a
• 33:51
  lie. Yeah, I remember him saying
• 33:54
  that. Yeah.
• 33:54
  The Hudson conjecture, I think it was that anything that's
• 33:58
  declared as a global emergency that's only susceptible to
• 34:03
  global solutions and census competing voices is a scam.
• 34:08
  I think that that may have been roughly his first use.
• 34:12
  And it's just so beautiful because when you point it out to
• 34:15
  people, you know, they would say, oh, well, you know, surely
• 34:19
  there must have been alternative voices.
• 34:21
  No, there weren't. You know, you weren't allowed to
• 34:24
  have an alternative voice. And just immediately you either
• 34:27
  complying or what are you a conspiracy theorist?
• 34:30
  I'm a proud conspiracy realist now.
• 34:34
  But yeah, you get, I get bored even when spotting them.
• 34:37
  I don't care what the shape of the world is either.
• 34:39
  I mean, you know, let's see that one is 1.
• 34:42
  Where, ah, does does that mean Mike believes in Flat Earth?
• 34:46
  Because we say that. Well, because the shape of the
• 34:49
  world, I think is apparent. Well, what they want you to
• 34:52
  believe is apparent. BBC even has a spinning globe as
• 34:55
  a logo. They used to anyway.
• 34:57
  BBC at the bottom, so it's of moderate importance at least,
• 35:00
  and everyone's been told so by my own definition, it's a lie.
• 35:05
  But The thing is, the opposite of a sphere is not a flat plain,
• 35:09
  so I don't know what shape it is.
• 35:10
  Could be a moatless strip, I don't know.
• 35:14
  It's not. Just give me.
• 35:17
  Before we go any further, Mike, there's a strange humming or
• 35:20
  buzzing sound. Is it coming from your side?
• 35:22
  I think it. Might be the fan.
• 35:25
  Yeah, it's the fan. Oh, OK.
• 35:28
  All right. That's fine.
• 35:29
  I wonder whether it's because I've got it sitting on a hard
• 35:31
  surface and if I put it on two blocks to allow it to, it may be
• 35:36
  I'm suffocating. It's killing capacity.
• 35:38
  Hold on, I've got it sitting on a box.
• 35:42
  I don't. I haven't got anything as
• 35:43
  sophisticated as a computer stand.
• 35:46
  What the COVID era showed me, Mike, is the ability to question
• 35:52
  everything that we think we know.
• 35:53
  But it's an extremely uncomfortable process.
• 35:56
  Yeah. Yeah, it's, I find it less
• 36:01
  uncomfortable now because I've had years to be aware that the
• 36:05
  world isn't the way up. I thought it was, you know, on
• 36:08
  all the, all the things in it. But I'm no longer frightened by
• 36:13
  it in any way. I think I was very, yeah, I was
• 36:16
  very upset by the end of 2020. And then I had my religious
• 36:21
  encounter in the middle of 2021, which was, I don't know, a
• 36:26
  belief that I, what I was doing was looking into the face of
• 36:29
  evil when I was speaking out. And that's why I was doing it.
• 36:33
  But on the other hand, it was important to do it.
• 36:37
  And really I was getting the spiritual equivalence of a kick
• 36:41
  up the backside. Really it was, you know, here's
• 36:44
  a, here's a gift of courage and resilience.
• 36:47
  Get on with it. So, and then since then, I've
• 36:49
  been, I haven't been, I wouldn't say I found it particularly
• 36:52
  disturbing. Mostly.
• 36:54
  A lot of people do though. Yeah, yeah, because I was about.
• 36:58
  To ask you, knowing what you know now and and using the idiom
• 37:02
  ignorance is bliss, would you go back to 2019?
• 37:07
  Not if not if the situation that we are discussing was as it is,
• 37:12
  I no, I wouldn't want to go back and be ignorant of it.
• 37:17
  I wouldn't mind going. If I could be in a time machine
• 37:19
  and go back to the time where this wasn't happening, yeah,
• 37:22
  that would be great. But The thing is, I think what
• 37:26
  has gone forever probably for me is the sort of belief that, you
• 37:34
  know, my faith is my own and to be what it'll be, which is quite
• 37:38
  a nice feeling in early retirement if you're, you know,
• 37:42
  in reasonable health and comfortably or financially.
• 37:45
  It's not. It was a nice feeling to, it's
• 37:48
  almost like I've made it to the end of the race now.
• 37:51
  I can run if I want but I'm not required to.
• 37:54
  And then I'll just sort of like meander on through and then be
• 37:57
  found one day in the workshop or something, you know, with a
• 38:00
  bunch of carburetors half assembled.
• 38:02
  But then it's like now I realise they really are after us and I
• 38:08
  don't know whether we've got three months, 33 years.
• 38:12
  That's not nice. And, and also, I don't know
• 38:16
  whether you feel this, but living where I do in southern
• 38:19
  England and criticising the people I do, it does cross my
• 38:23
  mind occasionally that if I was in their shoes, I think I would
• 38:27
  have got rid of me quite a long time ago.
• 38:30
  And, and, and I did hear from, I did hear, I did hear from
• 38:34
  someone who gets about Parliament, should we say that
• 38:38
  they were definitely discussing my name in the summer of 2020?
• 38:43
  Oh, they know who you are, right, Mike?
• 38:44
  You know, that's sort of said like that.
• 38:46
  And they presumably discussed what to do and and there might
• 38:50
  have been some that were like keen to, they'd be adding, I'll
• 38:54
  take him out, you know, knock him off the road in my, you
• 38:57
  know, large car. They could follow me out next
• 39:00
  time I'm riding a motorbike, just run me off the road.
• 39:02
  Nobody would know. They could have they didn't have
• 39:05
  to pick me up in a black windowed suburban and do
• 39:09
  horrible things to me, although they could do that if they
• 39:11
  wanted to. But I just wonder.
• 39:14
  I don't know. It makes me think they just
• 39:16
  don't care. I just, I don't want to be
• 39:19
  murdered or arrested, but the fact that I'm allowed to move
• 39:22
  around freely means I think TM honestly, they believe they've,
• 39:26
  they've got me sufficiently circled that I'm not a problem
• 39:30
  because if I was, and if I was them, I would, I would have done
• 39:34
  something. So that I think is a reasonably
• 39:37
  logical conclusion that they're not worried what I'm doing is
• 39:40
  not bothering them, which is a bit depressing.
• 39:43
  Mike, I'm sorry for this interruption, but that sound is
• 39:47
  is coming through like a motorbike in my in my earphone.
• 39:50
  I know I. Can hear it do you want to
• 39:52
  should we take a break and. Why do you think it's so
• 39:57
  difficult for scientists to to rethink what they think they
• 40:03
  know? Yeah, I think that's not too
• 40:08
  difficult to answer. It's if you're honest, you're
• 40:12
  when you do your as it were your best work, you know, as when I
• 40:15
  was ACEO of a biotech. And what do you think, Doctor
• 40:18
  Eaton, when I'm pontificating, I'm I'm saying only a few
• 40:22
  sentences, but it rests on like 30 years of thinking and
• 40:25
  experimental work and reading. Yes, it's so if you, if a
• 40:30
  scientist is then challenged say, excuse me, I think quite a
• 40:34
  few of those foundational pieces like that one there and those
• 40:37
  right at the bottom, I don't think they're correct.
• 40:41
  I think people are well aware that if they go fussing around
• 40:45
  down there with a crowbar and a pneumatic drill, the whole
• 40:47
  thing's going to go over. It's like they're aware that if
• 40:51
  it is true what you've said that these foundational pieces are
• 40:56
  are wrong, then it doesn't take them long to realise that
• 40:59
  everything that rests on top of that is potentially null and
• 41:02
  void. And I think a lot of people are
• 41:04
  not willing to not willing to do the work.
• 41:07
  So it's like this guy can't could be right, but it's just
• 41:10
  that far too inconvenient. So in just in case he's right,
• 41:13
  I'm going to ignore it, I think. I think it's because of the way
• 41:17
  you operate. It would be like being told as a
• 41:20
  sportsman that your training regime has always been wrong and
• 41:23
  you've been doing it for like 10 years.
• 41:28
  You wouldn't you'd know that you would not be able to undo the
• 41:30
  effects of that training that you've adhered to for 10 years.
• 41:33
  So you don't want to know. You don't want to be told at
• 41:35
  this point you are where you are in terms of physique and and
• 41:39
  fitness and so on. But there was another one.
• 41:43
  What was the other one? Yeah, there's, I saw, I saw a
• 41:48
  YouTube video maybe four years ago.
• 41:51
  I've not been back to it. And it was called, I think it
• 41:53
  was called the staircase of disbelief or it described
• 41:56
  something called the staircase of disbelief.
• 42:00
  And the ground floor that we we stand on initially is the the
• 42:05
  preferred reality as to what the imposed reality.
• 42:08
  The first step is something you you're sure in your mind is, is
• 42:14
  a deviation from what you've been told.
• 42:16
  So in our case, you could speak to many English people and say,
• 42:21
  do you remember when we went to war with the Americans and
• 42:25
  invaded Iraq? And they go, yes, I'll say if
• 42:28
  you remember in the weeks before that, we had various politicians
• 42:32
  coming on the television telling us that Saddam Hussein has
• 42:34
  weapons of mass destruction that he could unleash in 45 minutes.
• 42:38
  Do you remember folks, the 45 minutes claim?
• 42:41
  And then then I think a couple of days before Parliament was
• 42:46
  due to have a free vote and dossier was submitted.
• 42:50
  I, I don't know that we saw this dossier, but apparently it had
• 42:53
  been put together by, by advisers to the politicians.
• 42:56
  So they're not military people. And it contains numerous claims
• 43:01
  that people said were just simply not true, including the,
• 43:04
  the 45 minutes claim. And so you when you take people
• 43:07
  through that history, I'll say, so would you accept that our
• 43:12
  government lied to us, lied to us through the television so
• 43:16
  that it could send, you know, many material to Iran, Iraq,
• 43:22
  after which they killed them and that a million innocent men and
• 43:25
  women and children and they, they don't know what to say at
• 43:28
  that point. It's like that is what happens.
• 43:31
  You know, it wasn't a mistake. It wasn't justified in, in the
• 43:35
  in the terms they gave us. They lied.
• 43:38
  Our government lied to the House, lied to the public.
• 43:42
  The Prime Minister lied, the BBC lied every day.
• 43:45
  So I'll say all I'm telling you is the journalist again, that's
• 43:50
  all I'm telling you. They're doing that again.
• 43:52
  And but people don't don't want to take people they know they
• 43:57
  could take that first step because they already know.
• 44:00
  They disbelieve. They know that narrative with
• 44:02
  people's jokes about it. There's Auntie Dossier, they
• 44:04
  called it so, but they won't put their damn foot on it.
• 44:08
  That's the strange thing. And it's also like JFK obviously
• 44:11
  happened when I was 3. So I don't really know anything
• 44:14
  about it. But the idea that this one,
• 44:16
  whatever 1 gunman with, with one manual loading rifles did all of
• 44:22
  that, everybody knows. That's just nuts, isn't it?
• 44:25
  I don't know what happens, but I do know we we were lied to
• 44:29
  because that was the official conclusion and anybody who said
• 44:32
  otherwise was a conspiracy theorist. 9/11 too.
• 44:36
  That was a big one. And yet, yeah yeah 9. 11 I.
• 44:38
  Didn't I? Didn't.
• 44:39
  I didn't question it until like 2016 or something.
• 44:43
  Oh God. I didn't.
• 44:44
  I didn't. I only questioned it in the same
• 44:47
  way that Jessica Hockett said she started asking about numbers
• 44:49
  of people in New York Hospital and then started asking if we'd
• 44:52
  gone to the moon. I, I, I realised that 911 must
• 44:57
  have been an inside job during early parts of 2020 because I
• 45:01
  rapidly realised that almost everything I looked at that was
• 45:04
  important wasn't, wasn't true. Yeah.
• 45:08
  So when you get a whole, a whole line of things just not true,
• 45:15
  yeah, then it makes you think, well, what else are they lying
• 45:17
  about? And it's like, well, pretty much
• 45:18
  everything. So.
• 45:20
  Well, I'll tell you what, it's only recently I've.
• 45:23
  I've never spent any time on on 9/11.
• 45:26
  Why? Because I concluded that they
• 45:29
  must have destroyed them in some way.
• 45:31
  What does it matter to me how they did it?
• 45:33
  And then somebody said you should watch Judy Woods.
• 45:37
  Where did the towers go? And I watched a bit of it.
• 45:40
  And I thought, oh, shit. Because what she did very
• 45:44
  elegantly is show you pictures, show you wreckage.
• 45:48
  Just keep asking where do the towers go?
• 45:50
  So you, you know, you ask any person for the 110 Storey steel
• 45:55
  frame building clad with masonry and so on.
• 45:59
  If you managed to allow it all. So let's say you could soar up
• 46:02
  all of the structural members and allow it to fall in the
• 46:04
  heat, right? You maybe you could hit the bits
• 46:06
  of masonry, really big sledgehammers.
• 46:09
  How big would the pile be on the floor at the bottom?
• 46:12
  And they, they reason for a bit and they go 10 floors.
• 46:16
  I'll say I don't know, but yeah, maybe a pile, you know, a 10th.
• 46:19
  How big was the pile? And they go, I don't know.
• 46:21
  I'll say it was about a floor high, about a floor and a high
• 46:24
  floor and a half high. And then they, they go, where
• 46:26
  did it go? And I go exactly.
• 46:28
  So the the only conclusion I drew from that scientifically,
• 46:33
  because they don't know how they did it, but I know they didn't
• 46:35
  do it using methods I understand because all methods I understand
• 46:40
  would have produced a socking great pile of of waste and it
• 46:44
  wasn't there. So that's and then here's the
• 46:48
  next thing. So something was used that we
• 46:51
  don't know about. I think you would be unwise to
• 46:54
  assume they ain't going to use that again or have not already
• 46:58
  used it again. For example, as a child.
• 47:01
  I like reading, sorry. Hawaii.
• 47:05
  Yes, yes. I don't.
• 47:07
  Yeah, Could be. Could be the same technology, a
• 47:09
  different manifestation. But when I was a kid, I used to
• 47:11
  read like, strange tales, you know, things that have happened
• 47:14
  in the world that are all grouped together in a book that
• 47:16
  makes you go. Isn't that interesting?
• 47:18
  And I remember reading one about what was thought to have been a
• 47:23
  meteorite, which in 19 O 8 exploded over northern tundra of
• 47:28
  Russia, I think over a place called Tungusta Tunguska in
• 47:32
  1908, Tunguska meteorite. And until a week ago, I thought
• 47:38
  that's what it was. Some sort of dirty snowball came
• 47:40
  in obliquely, blew up and flattened, I think 8 million
• 47:43
  trees or 80 million trees. Even decades later, you can
• 47:47
  still see all these matchsticks, all these trees flattened over a
• 47:50
  decade, many miles. But then I was reading something
• 47:53
  else that said that it may be possible to use scalar waves in
• 48:00
  combination using more than one projector and create something
• 48:04
  that was described as an energy bottle.
• 48:07
  If you have if you have three sets of scalar waves, you can
• 48:10
  form A3 dimensional shape that could contain energy of some
• 48:15
  kind. Most of us know that waves, if
• 48:18
  they impinge one on another, they can either amplify each
• 48:22
  other if they're in phase and they can cancel each other if
• 48:25
  they're out of phase. Most people have seen that when
• 48:28
  they've been swimming, even you see it in water.
• 48:30
  It certainly happens with sound and it will certainly happen
• 48:33
  with radio frequency and all sorts of other electromagnetic
• 48:36
  phenomena. And so the idea I think you
• 48:39
  know, I have an Ola Bado level in physics 40 years ago, but I
• 48:42
  think the idea was you have multiple machines that are
• 48:47
  producing these waves and the point where they all insect is a
• 48:51
  potentially controllable 3 dimensional structure.
• 48:55
  And the idea was perhaps they were experimenting with this
• 49:00
  technology in the Northern hemisphere in 19-8 and that's
• 49:04
  that was the result of it seems possible, but we'll see.
• 49:08
  But that's. That's the beauty of the last
• 49:10
  few years, Mike, that it's it's opened up a whole world of
• 49:15
  thinking, of critical thinking that we previously didn't
• 49:19
  experience. Of course many around us will
• 49:22
  will just call us clowns and they carry on believing
• 49:25
  everything that they are told. But I quite like the idea of of
• 49:29
  thinking about stuff you. Probably saw me enjoying that.
• 49:34
  That move from it was probably a meteorite to it could have been
• 49:39
  something that humans did on Earth.
• 49:41
  Wow, It could, you know, it could be either of those and it
• 49:44
  could be 1/3 phenomenon. I, I'm not, I don't know, but I,
• 49:48
  I, I basically widen the solution set by quite a lot.
• 49:53
  So I think that Judy Wood's work is is terrific and it's it's an
• 49:58
  awesome as well for us all. Just adding.
• 50:01
  Adding to what you're saying earlier about that third camp,
• 50:05
  so Nov, Chomsky Once Upon a time said something along the lines
• 50:08
  of the one of the most powerful ways to control people is to
• 50:13
  create the set of parameters within which you will encourage
• 50:17
  fiery debate. And even within those
• 50:20
  parameters, people are arguing and disagreeing.
• 50:22
  But it's outside of those parameters where the greater
• 50:26
  truth lies. Yes, and and that's that's
• 50:29
  effectively what you're talking about.
• 50:30
  It is. Exactly, that is exactly right,
• 50:32
  yes. It's to create a, a controlled
• 50:35
  dichotomy and encourage vigorous debates inside that so that the
• 50:39
  the additional solutions, one of which is the truth is not even
• 50:42
  touched on. And if it's raised, it's
• 50:44
  censored. And that's, that is where we
• 50:46
  are. But there's a, there's a slow
• 50:48
  trickling, I think there's a, it's just quite, quite
• 50:53
  reassuring that even if I'm watching, you know, videos about
• 50:57
  my hobby or motorbikes, that quite often people are now
• 51:00
  putting comments which sarcastic comments like whatever, and you
• 51:04
  know, it's this that's, you know, whatever they, they
• 51:07
  realise we were lied to over the last five years and they're not
• 51:10
  being censored now. They're, they're not very
• 51:13
  precise comments. But whereas in the first year
• 51:17
  people were very very twitchy, or at least the the algorithm,
• 51:20
  the the platforms and the algorithms are very twitchy.
• 51:23
  You literally couldn't deviate from the received proper
• 51:26
  narrative and now it seems sort of softened.
• 51:30
  My concern is that if people only after 5 or 6 years start to
• 51:36
  realise that one thing might have been told to them
• 51:40
  incorrectly, they haven't got very far right just because.
• 51:44
  Because we were told about a bombing Iraq in when it may have
• 51:50
  been 2001 or something. I don't know.
• 51:53
  I don't know. Japan.
• 51:55
  Yeah, Japan, absolutely, that's fascinating.
• 51:58
  So yeah, I. So there you go.
• 52:00
  You can you can be intellectually fairly sure that
• 52:03
  you've been lied to, but it doesn't change anything because
• 52:06
  the imposed preferred reality dominates.
• 52:10
  And so I fear that not very many people have got to the point of
• 52:16
  realising that it's, it's all an inversion, that it's not good
• 52:20
  enough just to say, oh, I'm going to refuse the next kind of
• 52:23
  jabs. And it's like, you know, at that
• 52:25
  point there might be nothing in the shops and only digital
• 52:28
  money. So have you thought about that?
• 52:31
  And have you planned for that? Because if not, you'll either
• 52:34
  starve or get jacked so people don't don't think very far down
• 52:39
  the road. No.
• 52:41
  Well, that's what I wanted to ask you.
• 52:42
  So let's just say you have woken up, so to speak.
• 52:46
  What now? Yeah.
• 52:50
  Yeah, Well, I won't give, I won't give away the details of
• 52:53
  my planning because it's not very sophisticated, but I've
• 52:57
  taken certain steps. That means that unless they come
• 53:00
  out and arrest us on mass, it won't matter what they do next
• 53:04
  because I've got I've got certain provisions and means
• 53:07
  that means I'm not dependent on them for a for a decent period
• 53:10
  of time. But, yeah, if they say you're
• 53:13
  not allowed to travel and if you're seen outside, well, it'll
• 53:16
  be considered a, a breach of quarantine or whatever, then
• 53:22
  yeah, that would be very bad. But we're not going to starve or
• 53:26
  be immediately poor. I've taken steps to make sure
• 53:29
  that's very, very unlikely. But I, I don't think I'm hoping
• 53:35
  more people wake up, that there'll be more people woken up
• 53:39
  by the time. Yeah, but I do think more people
• 53:42
  are waking up. And I don't think it needs to be
• 53:44
  very many. If you imagine them wanting to
• 53:48
  impose a digital ID on everybody, and even if 5%
• 53:55
  wouldn't go along with it in Britain, that would be three and
• 54:00
  a half million people. And that's, yeah, 70 million
• 54:03
  odd. So 5% is 3 and a half million
• 54:06
  people. I don't know whether 5% would
• 54:08
  decline it, but we are already quite, we're quite primed to
• 54:15
  reject it because Tony Blair early in his prime ministership
• 54:19
  in the 90s tried really hard to impose it.
• 54:22
  And I think people realise that the very least we'll be going
• 54:25
  to, we're going to be asked to account for our whereabouts and
• 54:30
  who we were when walking about peacefully.
• 54:33
  And we've never had that culture in Britain.
• 54:34
  It's not a papers pleased society and I think so people
• 54:38
  have been and we managed to fight him off whatever
• 54:42
  politically journalists. So I think if they come at us
• 54:45
  again, I think it'd be quite difficult.
• 54:47
  And so if 5% rejected it, it doesn't really work.
• 54:53
  You know, if 5% rejects it, some people then are going to be
• 54:57
  selling food on the black market.
• 54:59
  I'm going to be buying, you know, that's so that's the
• 55:02
  answer to the question. If it's so few that there's no
• 55:05
  black market, then the answer is I'm going to, I'm going to pray
• 55:09
  and then I'm not taking it. I'd rather starve than I'm not
• 55:13
  going to use digital ID. I've said to people, well, why
• 55:18
  don't you do that? You just don't have to be
• 55:19
  jabbed. It's like, I think that's the
• 55:21
  first step inside. I call it the human abattoir, or
• 55:24
  it's a digital panopticon, digital gulag, whatever it is
• 55:30
  that you don't need a digital ID, you can already identify
• 55:34
  yourself in multiple ways to whomsoever needs it.
• 55:37
  So I keep saying to people, why do they want you to have it?
• 55:40
  And the answer is it's not for you, it's for them.
• 55:43
  It's controlling everything about you.
• 55:45
  And they go, well, it isn't. We've got loads of digital IDs.
• 55:48
  I said you haven't got any that are updated in real time, which
• 55:53
  contains rich information about who you are, where you are, what
• 55:58
  you're trying to buy, what else you've bought recently, where
• 56:02
  you are geographically in relation to some 15 minute
• 56:06
  community boundary with you've said hearty words on the
• 56:10
  Internet. All of these things can be
• 56:12
  instantly modified in your political ID and I think will do
• 56:19
  that's what I always do. If I was the I always think if I
• 56:22
  was the evils, what would I do? And that's what I would do.
• 56:26
  And they have told they have wounds, that you will be eating
• 56:28
  less meat, you know, but they've warned us that you won't be
• 56:33
  travelling by budget airline on holiday and that ladies, you
• 56:38
  won't be able to buy more than three items of clothing a year.
• 56:43
  My wife and daughter get that money through the through the
• 56:45
  door every day. They mostly take them back.
• 56:48
  But this is part of their living.
• 56:50
  They both of them like buying. They compare notes, take things
• 56:53
  back. If you buy quite a lot, use them
• 56:56
  for a bit more. On the comment of meat, I go
• 56:59
  hunting, so they're not going to stop me.
• 57:02
  They're not going to stop somebody with guns.
• 57:05
  Yeah, exactly. So if you you've got access to
• 57:07
  the wild places where where you may be able to secure something
• 57:12
  that you could cook and the means to take it down.
• 57:14
  Well, yeah, I don't probably, but I have, I have started
• 57:19
  making friends with with people who are who are in the butcher
• 57:23
  trade and in the farming trade. Have a really lovely, that
• 57:26
  meeting last weekend to go and meet.
• 57:28
  There's about 40 people that it's like an informal farmers
• 57:32
  market and they do a lot of it by barter.
• 57:34
  There's not, it's, if there's any money, it's cash and a lot
• 57:38
  of it is just pure barter. And also trust, you know, I
• 57:41
  bought you 7 lbs of beef last week.
• 57:43
  You brought me all those, these cherries this week, whatever.
• 57:47
  So they're, and they're all awake and they knew who I was.
• 57:50
  So it's quite embarrassing and just going into like a village
• 57:53
  hall and there's all these people looking at you, pointing
• 57:56
  at you. I just go, hello.
• 57:59
  So that was quite fun. So we, we started because we
• 58:02
  didn't do any of that. We were too busy buzzing around
• 58:05
  the world. We went to Spain and Costa Rica
• 58:07
  and America and France. And so I didn't really.
• 58:10
  And then we moved house. So we don't, we don't know that
• 58:13
  many people. And so it it occurred to me
• 58:15
  recently, I thought we better start making some connections
• 58:19
  because if they do impose some event, we won't know anybody and
• 58:23
  we'll be eating baked beans until we run out of baked beans.
• 58:26
  Hang on, Mike, you just mentioned a whole bunch of
• 58:28
  countries that you were travelling to.
• 58:30
  Have you been to my neck of the woods?
• 58:32
  No. We, no, we didn't.
• 58:36
  My wife just said. My wife is very keen on the
• 58:38
  idea. She does like the idea.
• 58:41
  One of our, the main impediment I have and we both have really
• 58:45
  is that both of our adults, children, I think they're like
• 58:50
  late 20s, early 30s, intellectually they know quite
• 58:53
  well what's going on, but their lives are busy and day to day
• 58:58
  they just get on with their normal lives.
• 59:02
  One is raising two small children, the other's just
• 59:05
  bought a house and is going to be remodelling it.
• 59:07
  What else are you supposed to do?
• 59:08
  They're getting on with their lives.
• 59:10
  So they have not, They haven't given any thoughts really down
• 59:13
  the road. And when I've said, I think the
• 59:17
  only kind of places in which we would have a reasonable shot,
• 59:21
  not a guarantee, a reasonable shot for continuing free life
• 59:24
  would be either a place that we used to call Third World.
• 59:29
  And you'd have to be in the rural end of that.
• 59:32
  And they they roll, they just wrinkle their noses.
• 59:35
  It's like what, no warm water and, you know, no mod cons.
• 59:39
  I said pretty much, yeah, that's where you that would be pretty
• 59:42
  safe. I mean, it's not.
• 59:44
  That bad? No, I.
• 59:46
  Know, but I haven't considered South Africa because I think.
• 59:49
  I don't I don't shower in Mike. I don't shower in cold water.
• 59:53
  The. Point is, I think of it as first
• 59:55
  world. And so I think why aren't you as
• 59:59
  almost as vulnerable as Paris and London and New York?
• 1:00:03
  I mean, why aren't you? I mean, I think you told me or
• 1:00:07
  you sent by email and you said that we do not have guaranteed
• 1:00:10
  electricity all the time. Which was, I think that was, or
• 1:00:13
  at least it's in the city or in the suburbs.
• 1:00:17
  It's everywhere, the entire country.
• 1:00:19
  That's polite. That's amazing.
• 1:00:20
  So that is important that you can't really run a full on
• 1:00:24
  techno control grid if you don't.
• 1:00:26
  No, you can't. No, in South Africa they, we, we
• 1:00:30
  will never get onto that 15 minute city control grid anytime
• 1:00:34
  soon because it's just too chaotic.
• 1:00:36
  Yeah, right here, right here underneath my desk.
• 1:00:39
  I've got backup power just in case the main power goes out
• 1:00:42
  right. Yeah, No, that's OK.
• 1:00:44
  That's important. So you've got there are, there
• 1:00:47
  are very, there are, there are some attractions, many
• 1:00:50
  attractions. Well, that's.
• 1:00:52
  But that's exactly right. So when you have, when you have
• 1:00:54
  an inept government, a completely useless state, it
• 1:00:57
  forces you into a mindset of prep, into a mindset of self
• 1:01:01
  reliance, Yes. No, I really like that.
• 1:01:04
  I I'm going to mention it to both the girls again because I
• 1:01:08
  said, look, you don't you, you're here because you, you
• 1:01:10
  were born here and that's our fault.
• 1:01:12
  You know, you don't really love it here and it's awful, isn't
• 1:01:14
  it? And it's getting worse, so.
• 1:01:17
  But I mean, to be fair, I'm not suggesting you move here.
• 1:01:19
  I'm simply asking when you come in to visit and more
• 1:01:21
  specifically, come to the Kruger National Park and I'll go with
• 1:01:24
  you. I Yeah.
• 1:01:25
  I'm not, I'm, yeah, I, I don't think that as it were, running
• 1:01:29
  safety is, it's not really for me, I don't think, I don't know.
• 1:01:33
  I, I also think the end comes at some point.
• 1:01:38
  I'm, I wouldn't say I'm, I don't really mind, you know, if it
• 1:01:43
  happens to happen tomorrow or if it happened in 25 years, it's,
• 1:01:47
  it's not that important. I've had a lovely life.
• 1:01:49
  I'm still enjoying it. If it ended tomorrow, it would
• 1:01:52
  be all right. So you know well.
• 1:01:55
  Just just so that we're clear, you say you have a lovely life,
• 1:01:58
  but the last few years you are one of the pivotal people, at
• 1:02:02
  least in my life, who had positive impact.
• 1:02:06
  Yeah. My child who was born, my child
• 1:02:09
  who was born a year ago, just under a year ago.
• 1:02:12
  Wow. Is not vaccinated.
• 1:02:13
  Thanks to people like you. Good.
• 1:02:15
  Fantastic. And there's no reason ever to
• 1:02:18
  and as you know, no reason ever to feel any guilt.
• 1:02:21
  Did I did I leave them unprotected?
• 1:02:24
  No, that's that's, that's a, it's AI didn't realise until
• 1:02:27
  relatively recently that that's all just a story.
• 1:02:31
  The whole thing is just a story contagion.
• 1:02:34
  So yeah. But yeah, anyway, I think we'll
• 1:02:38
  OK so. Mike, let's let's come in for a
• 1:02:41
  landing. Give me the moral of the story.
• 1:02:43
  God, the moral of the story? What?
• 1:02:45
  Which story? You might want to provide some,
• 1:02:49
  or at least a possible structure.
• 1:02:52
  Which story? Well, OK.
• 1:02:53
  What is the moral of your story? The moral of your story?
• 1:02:58
  Yeah, I think it's, for me, it's, I feel quite strongly
• 1:03:05
  about this. If you have an opportunity to do
• 1:03:07
  something that's that's good for other people, you should damn
• 1:03:11
  well do it. Because I see, I, I sense it
• 1:03:16
  must be true that a large number of people could have helped and
• 1:03:19
  didn't, and they could help now and aren't.
• 1:03:23
  And I think we could honestly, we could roll them over.
• 1:03:27
  People who have information, they're not going to hang, draw
• 1:03:31
  one call to you. If you say I detected this lie,
• 1:03:34
  you know, this is unequivocally a lie.
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  And I'm going to tell everybody I know, even if they laugh at
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  me, do it. Plant the seed it it does work.
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  There's a friend of mine who's made QR codes of, of the video I
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  made before the one that just was released.
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  It's called so called silver bullet and he'd written it.
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  COVID was a big lie. It's in English then the QR code
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  and they've they've appeared all around the world every now and
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  again, I guess a picture from a bus bus stop in Bogota or
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  something or someone sent a picture from I think it was the
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  highest points in a Swiss mountain, Swiss ski resort
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  recently. It took a picture and there was
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  one of COVID is a big lie QR stickers on the roof of this
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  thing and that that does fill me.
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  But I actually get quite a lot of joy out of that because it's
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  not just what I did, it's that other people saw we can do
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  something. We could make a difference here.
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  That's all it takes. Enough of us.
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  If you can do something good, do it.
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  Mike, how can I follow you? Well, I cannot that I've got
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  I've got 2 locations due to good friends of mine.
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  I probably would have just crumpled in a heap because I'm
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  not very good with social media. But I use Telegram, TELEGR AM,
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  and you can find me on Telegram. But you must look out for the
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  channel that says Doctor Mike Eden Solo.
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  You'll know it's me because it starts with a video saying this
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  is my channel and this is the title of the channel Doctor Mike
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  Eden Solo. All of the others won't have the
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  video. They may have my picture and my
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  name, but they're fake. And there's at least two or
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  three others. So that's one.
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  And then the other one is sub stack, where as yet there are no
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  fakes. But if you go to the sub stack,
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  one word, SUB stack Doctor Doctor Mike Eden, I don't write
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  very many pieces on the sub stack.
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  So I think each of the small numbers that are there are quite
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  powerful. So if you were approaching me or
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  recommending someone approaching me for the first time, probably
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  sub stack first. Just sort of read the articles
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  because they're not that long and they cover probably all of
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  the all of the material I've covered at some point has been
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  covered in words, you know, that are easy to comprehend with you
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  believe it or not, it's up to the reader, but that that's
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  where it is. And that's that's where I reside
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  mostly because Twitter still doesn't like me.
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  You know, YouTube doesn't like me even when I'm logged in as a
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  cedar net to do with my bike hobby.
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  It knows damn well who I am even with AVPN on.
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  And so if I write something it doesn't like it and I refresh
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  the screen, it's gone. So it's still continuing in the
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  year 6, but I don't mind anymore.
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  Just, you know, I just go places where that doesn't happen.
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  But just to remind people that the censorship of the people
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  they don't want you to hear from is just as strong as ever.
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  And as that little meme goes, this is A2 frame meme.
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  You know, who is it that's telling the truth?
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  And the other one is the people that are being censored are
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  telling the truth. That's right.
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  So why would people censor me early in 2020?
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  It could be because I was talking nonsense and could have
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  put people's lives at risk. But it's six years on, they're
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  still censoring me because I'm telling you things that they
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  don't want you to know. I also point out that if you
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  search for me using, I don't know what the right terms are.
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  Search engines, browsers, What is?
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  What is Google Chrome? What?
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  What category of thing is it? That would be a browser browser,
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  so. If you put Optimi even in Google
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  Chrome or Apple, is it Safari? And then there's Safari,
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  Microsoft Edge is it? I don't know, no.
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  Anyway, if you use any of the big ones, just click return and
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  just like, Scroll down and have a look at a couple of pages, see
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  what kind of material it returns.
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  Because mostly it's Yeadon's a conspiracy theorist.
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  And here are some nasty articles from Reuters to tell you how
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  wrong he's been. If you put the same search term
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  in a small browser, and the one I use a lot is Yandex.
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  Yandex gives a completely different set of hits.
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  And I put it to people in conversation that do you regard
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  search as a sort of generic property of the Internet?
• 1:07:51
  And they go, what do you mean? I say, well, if you put the same
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  search term in in any of these different windows, it should
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  give you roughly the same information.
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  And they go, yeah, I said, well, that's what I thought too.
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  So if I give you an example that does not conform to that, what
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  would you make of it? And they don't, they often don't
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  know. And they have to tell them.
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  I'm saying someone's digging with the results and they're
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  selectively digging with the results because if you put in
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  uncontroversial terms, they all return the same thing.
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  I've done the experiment basically.
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  So if you put in my name, I get very different search results in
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  the mainstream browsers from what I get in the other ones.
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  And if I use other controversial terms, they will say so in a way
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  that's proof, you know, I think. But it it that's only any good
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  if someone is willing to be persuaded that I am being
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  censored and therefore probably has something dangerous to say.
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  So, yeah, there you go. But yeah, keep on keeping on,
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  Joe. I think that's all I would say,
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  both to you, my friend, and anybody who's doing the same.
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  Well, on that note, Mike Eden, thank you for joining me in the
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  trenches. It's been great fun.
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  Again, thank you.