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Best of Chuck in the Morning 7-29 · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: Well, Lindy and gentlemen, welcome to Chaos. Let the games begin,
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  Speaker 1: Now we go long for the action. Never stopped?
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  Speaker 2: Are you writing this stuff?
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  Speaker 1: Something completed? If this is Chuck in the Morning, you
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  Speaker 1: wat you people are beyond Let's go, Let's get the
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  Speaker 1: game off. Oh great Wednesday morning to you all. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: into the radio program. It is Chuck and Ash with
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  Speaker 1: you here at six o'clock in the morning on a Wednesday,
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  Speaker 1: and I am back in studio training camp day off
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  Speaker 1: here today and so good to see you again. As
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  Speaker 1: uh well, you know you don't up to stare into
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  Speaker 1: an empty room here today.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, today I thought about not even turning on the lights.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's an upgrade in the dark.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like I'm not in a box. Oh okay,
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  Speaker 4: I mean I still am.
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  Speaker 1: She is Ansh in the box.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's basically it. I had to think about
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  Speaker 5: that one for a second very popular song.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah knows that one?
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  Speaker 1: They do? They do? I promise you everybody knows Man
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  Speaker 1: in the Box, of course they do. Yeah, you're right,
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  Speaker 1: all right. Well, welcome into the show here on this Wednesday.
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  Speaker 1: Great to have you with us here today, and Man
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  Speaker 1: Sports sometimes does you a little bit of a favor. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: we are in training camp mode. We switched over to
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  Speaker 1: that on Monday. We've had you million with us out
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  Speaker 1: at the Virginia Mason Athletics Center throughout the course of
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  Speaker 1: the week. He will be on with us again today.
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  Speaker 1: But now that we are back in studio and because
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  Speaker 1: there won't be practice today at the vMac, well, guess
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  Speaker 1: what he's going to be with us today but from
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  Speaker 1: eight to ten, So we got plenty of opportunity to
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  Speaker 1: pick his brain about what he saw yesterday at Seahawks
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  Speaker 1: training camp. Got a brand new feature that we're going
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  Speaker 1: to introduce that revolves around Hugh, So we've got that
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  Speaker 1: coming up at eight o'clock. So we're gonna get pretty
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  Speaker 1: heavy into Seahawks from eight to ten. But since he's
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  Speaker 1: not coming into until eight o'clock to talk football, guess
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  Speaker 1: what we get to just fully embrace this baseball game
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  Speaker 1: last night. Yeh, Because I mean, yes, as needed a
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  Speaker 1: win as you could get from the Mariners, but everything
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  Speaker 1: else aside, it was just a purely entertaining baseball game.
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  Speaker 1: It was the most entertaining baseball game that I've watched
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  Speaker 1: all season long, whether it was Mariner involved or not,
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  Speaker 1: the back and forth, the power display. Maybe it's because
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  Speaker 1: we're so starved for seeing offense that it just wow,
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  Speaker 1: this is new and different and exciting. Wow, we're scoring
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  Speaker 1: a lot of runs.
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  Speaker 4: And we need them all scoring a run.
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  Speaker 1: That's fun, and we need every single one of them,
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  Speaker 1: as it turns out. And so it was just a
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  Speaker 1: fantastic game. I mean, I mean, I realized that the atmosphere,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's Dodger fans. They're leaving in the seventh inning,
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  Speaker 1: so the atmosphere may not have felt like a playoff atmosphere.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe the Dodgers weren't treating it as such, but the
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  Speaker 1: Mariners kind of started that game treating it like we
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  Speaker 1: have to win this game. That's the way it felt.
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  Speaker 1: I was on the edge of my seat. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: miss a pitch last night. It was just entertaining sports
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  Speaker 1: last night, and thank goodness, because we almost didn't. Thank goodness,
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  Speaker 1: the Mariners pull it off because they obviously needed that
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  Speaker 1: victory a lot more than what the Dodgers did. So
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  Speaker 1: it was a fantastic baseball game.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think even if you were if you had
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  Speaker 5: that on and you weren't invested like we were with
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  Speaker 5: the Mariners, you're like, Okay, well done both teams.
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  Speaker 4: That was really fun. Thank you for the entertainment for
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  Speaker 4: the last three hours.
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  Speaker 5: But now coming from a Mariner's perspective where you are
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  Speaker 5: invested as.
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  Speaker 4: A Mariners fan, it was freaking great. Honestly.
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  Speaker 5: It was so Five Iron was coming home from Nashville
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  Speaker 5: last night and he walked in the door and I
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  Speaker 5: just turned the game off in the living room to
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  Speaker 5: go into the bedroom to turn it back on to
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  Speaker 5: start getting ready for bed and finish it there, and
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  Speaker 5: Palmer the Great lost something, so I was trying to
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  Speaker 5: help her find it while trying to hurry to get
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  Speaker 5: back to the bedroom to turn it back on, and
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  Speaker 5: five Iron walks in from Nashville says, Hi.
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  Speaker 4: Why isn't the Mariners came on?
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  Speaker 5: I mean the first thing, he says, I was like, well,
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  Speaker 5: I'm going blah blah blah, so then he goes in
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  Speaker 5: the living room, he turns that on, and then I
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  Speaker 5: was like, well, okay, if he's home now, I'll just
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  Speaker 5: finish watching in.
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  Speaker 4: The living room. And I was doing half my superstitious thing.
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  Speaker 5: It's like, oh gosh, come on. I mean, it was
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  Speaker 5: so stressful down to the very end. And then yeah,
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  Speaker 5: to see Cal hit that home run, to see Julio
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  Speaker 5: hit a home run, to see Rob Refsnyder hit a
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  Speaker 5: home run, I mean, it was great.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it was great, And unfortunately we haven't been treated
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  Speaker 1: to enough games like that, because obviously this is a
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  Speaker 1: talented team that cannot get into groove and just because
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  Speaker 1: they won last night doesn't mean they're going to get
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  Speaker 1: into one now. But I think part of the problem
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  Speaker 1: with the Mariners this season and the reason that we've
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  Speaker 1: yet to see them become who we think they're capable
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  Speaker 1: of becoming. Look, I bring it down to two things,
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  Speaker 1: and I think that both of the those things are
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  Speaker 1: laid right at the player's feet. But a manager does
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  Speaker 1: have to make sure that you are inspiring such behavior
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  Speaker 1: every single night, or at least most nights. And the
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  Speaker 1: two things, I mean, there are a lot of f
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  Speaker 1: words here from five iron to all sorts of things
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  Speaker 1: here that I'm going to f focus on. But fire
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  Speaker 1: and focus, and those are two things that you want
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  Speaker 1: to There have been plenty of times during the course
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  Speaker 1: of the season where we're like, man, they just played,
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  Speaker 1: they just played listlessly. They didn't play like they cared.
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  Speaker 1: How many times have you heard that? How many times
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  Speaker 1: have you felt that this season? And we know that
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  Speaker 1: they care, I mean, they care, they want to win.
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  Speaker 1: If anything, the pressure of winning them realizing the expectations
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  Speaker 1: that they placed on themselves might have led to them
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  Speaker 1: at some times being caught f as for flat footed,
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  Speaker 1: because I think that they've sat while in the middle
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  Speaker 1: of games, like what is going on? Why can't we win?
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  Speaker 1: Why can't we get a big hit in the moment?
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  Speaker 1: Why are we fumbling the ball around? Or maybe never
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  Speaker 1: looking at yourself in the mirror, but why is Roblaze
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  Speaker 1: fumbling the ball? You know? Yeah, I think that we've
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  Speaker 1: questioned the fire a lot. But I don't think last
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  Speaker 1: night was about fire. I don't think that Dan Wilson,
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  Speaker 1: whatever was said from Monday afternoon on the plane ride
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  Speaker 1: from Dallas to la whatever was said from the time
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  Speaker 1: that game ended and you lost three out of four
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  Speaker 1: to the Rangers, and you started game one of three
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  Speaker 1: in Los Angeles against the best team in the world.
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  Speaker 1: Whatever was communicated, and I don't know who led it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it was a raw Ross speech. I
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  Speaker 1: think it was a call to arms. I think it
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  Speaker 1: because what I saw last night, it wasn't a fiery team.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't see a team out their raw rah and.
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  Speaker 4: You know, energy, having all the fun and like yeah
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  Speaker 4: we got this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. It wasn't on a scale from one to ten
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  Speaker 1: eleven fiery what I saw last night. And I don't
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  Speaker 1: think I was imagining it because I noticed it on
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  Speaker 1: Julio's home run early. I think I noticed it on
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  Speaker 1: Cow's home run in the second because they fell behind
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  Speaker 1: one to nothing. I think I noticed it in Luis Castillo,
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  Speaker 1: even though he wasn't even great last night. That was
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  Speaker 1: a focused effort that was we are here for business
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  Speaker 1: and we can't f is for f around anymore. We
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  Speaker 1: are out of time. The best way to turn this
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  Speaker 1: season around is to come in here and smoke the
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  Speaker 1: Dodgers is the That is the best fis for formula
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  Speaker 1: that we can come up with to get this thing
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  Speaker 1: turned around and put in the right direction. But from
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  Speaker 1: Julio being aggressive at the plate. I thought he was
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  Speaker 1: great last night. That's the best game he's played. He
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  Speaker 1: was aggressive on the base paths. He was aggressive defensively
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  Speaker 1: last night. And I don't want you to be over
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  Speaker 1: aggressive because that leads to carelessness. But focus aggression. Like
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  Speaker 1: he hit that home run and there wasn't any like
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  Speaker 1: celebrating or baton twirling or anything else. He ran around
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  Speaker 1: the bases, never even put a smile on his face,
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  Speaker 1: got in the dugout and it's like, let's go. That's
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  Speaker 1: that's that's how col rounded the basis last night. Rob
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  Speaker 1: Ressnyder hits a home run last night, and I'm pretty
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  Speaker 1: sure this is what he said. I'm not John Boy,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not a great lip reader, but I'm pretty sure
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  Speaker 1: he crossed that home plate. He got to the dugout
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  Speaker 1: and he said, give me that effing thing. That's what
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  Speaker 1: talking about the Tridad. Yeah, gimme that effing thing. That's
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  Speaker 1: what I think that he said. There was such a
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  Speaker 1: focus on this team, Ashley. Even Luis Castillo, who I
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  Speaker 1: know wasn't great last night, that's a great lineup that
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  Speaker 1: he was facing. Yes, and he ended up giving up
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  Speaker 1: five runs before he or four runs before. No, it
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  Speaker 1: was five five, five runs before he got out after
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  Speaker 1: just the fifth end. That's a nine era. He wasn't
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  Speaker 1: great last night, ye a lot of but it could
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  Speaker 1: have been a lot worse. And some of the pitches
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  Speaker 1: that he made with runners on base to some really
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  Speaker 1: good hitters, I mean, he worked his way. He gutted
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  Speaker 1: it out. This is the guy that's been involved in
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  Speaker 1: trade rumors for the last month, and he gutted it
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  Speaker 1: out on a lot of pitches last year, a lot
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  Speaker 1: of great pitches and a lot of really hitting advantage
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  Speaker 1: counts last night to get himself out of even more trouble.
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  Speaker 1: So that the Dodgers didn't run away with that thing
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  Speaker 1: last night. I mean, maybe I'm imagining it. I promise
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  Speaker 1: you I'm not saying it just because they won. Sometimes
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  Speaker 1: people do that. I just noticed a different focus last night.
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  Speaker 1: And so whatever speech was given, whoever gave it, whatever
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  Speaker 1: meeting was held, however that plane ride went down from
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  Speaker 1: Dallas to Los Angeles, it was effective because that to
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  Speaker 1: me was a team that was on a mission last night,
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  Speaker 1: and I loved it. I just loved it. And it
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  Speaker 1: has been way too long since I f has forefelt
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  Speaker 1: that way about the Mariners in a baseball game.
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  Speaker 4: I would one agree with that right there.
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  Speaker 5: I don't remember the last time I watched a game
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  Speaker 5: and felt like I did throughout the game and at
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  Speaker 5: the end of the game you.
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  Speaker 4: Had We've had a couple where it's like, ooh.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe we're in this baby, We're in but and that
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  Speaker 5: we're staying with it the whole time, and that we're
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  Speaker 5: seeing these things. And yes, there was that Bob that
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  Speaker 5: mistake by Roeblacee, and you thought, oh gosh, here we go.
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  Speaker 5: We're going to screw this up, especially when he just
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  Speaker 5: came in to be the defensive upgrade from Dom Canzone.
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  Speaker 5: I was like, that was you know, there were certain moments,
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  Speaker 5: but that wasn't a lack of focus.
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  Speaker 4: That was that caused that?
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  Speaker 1: And maybe I don't know, well, I mean, it wasn't a.
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  Speaker 4: Lack of effort.
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  Speaker 1: One turd and a punch bowl and it wasn't a
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  Speaker 1: lack of effort for sure, But I'm talking about something
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  Speaker 1: different than effort. Yeah, I'm talking about absolute focus. And
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  Speaker 1: maybe that wasn't a good defensive switch because he does
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  Speaker 1: have a tendency to be lax at times, and so.
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  Speaker 4: But then sometimes you get Superman.
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  Speaker 1: Yes you do.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely, Yeah, So I mean I don't hate the switch.
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  Speaker 5: It just was glaring, you know, it was obviously which
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  Speaker 5: would be so Mariners that you wouldn't hate the switch,
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  Speaker 5: and then that would happen.
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  Speaker 4: But I know the time.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, there was even that quote from Rob Refsteier who said, like,
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  Speaker 5: I feel really blieve about how I've played.
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  Speaker 4: We've tried a lot of different things. There's no excuses.
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  Speaker 5: But I think if we can all just focus on
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  Speaker 5: doing our job the best we can, I think we
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  Speaker 5: all know how talented we are as a group, and.
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  Speaker 4: And so I do agree.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think that that speech that they had on
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  Speaker 5: the plane was hey, guys, come on, we're really good.
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  Speaker 4: We should be better than this. I think it was
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  Speaker 4: what the eff are we doing a call at? Better
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  Speaker 4: than this? Yes, and we are not showing anyone.
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  Speaker 5: We are not showing ourselves, we are not showing our fans,
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  Speaker 5: we are not showing other teams.
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  Speaker 4: Get our bleep together.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of bleeps out here in this.
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  Speaker 4: I would assume there was.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would think so. And I loved what I
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  Speaker 1: heard from cal like Calc sort of acknowledged like that
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  Speaker 1: was a really good win. That's the type of win
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  Speaker 1: he acknowledged it afterwards. That's the type of win that
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  Speaker 1: turns things around. But it doesn't mean anything if we
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  Speaker 1: don't come out the next day and repeat the exact
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  Speaker 1: same focus, the exact same effort, all of that. And
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  Speaker 1: so it's a start, it's a start to a turnaround.
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  Speaker 1: But if this team has lacked one thing, one predominant
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  Speaker 1: thing this year, it is they cannot take advantage of
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  Speaker 1: any momentum whatsoever. They just can't do it.
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  Speaker 4: True.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we are one hundred and eight games into this,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm certainly not counting on seeing the same focused
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  Speaker 1: effort tonight as I saw last night.
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  Speaker 4: I'd love to be surprised, I I.
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  Speaker 1: But I saw a different team last night. I saw
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  Speaker 1: a different bucket. Lucke this word approach, and I'm not
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  Speaker 1: just talking about a hitting approach. I'm talking about an
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  Speaker 1: approach to your profession. I'm talking about an approach to
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  Speaker 1: your responsibilities as an individual player and as a teammate
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  Speaker 1: to everyone else who is counting on you. To be
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  Speaker 1: focused and coming through in every single moment. Doesn't mean
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  Speaker 1: you have to thrive, but you have to be ready
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  Speaker 1: for every single moment. That's why I think maybe Roeblaze
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  Speaker 1: was the outlier. Maybe a night on the bench for
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  Speaker 1: a guy that sometimes is out chasing butterflies in the outfield,
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  Speaker 1: you know, maybe that was the one guy that might
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  Speaker 1: not be as focused as everybody else. And damn it
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  Speaker 1: if the ball isn't hit to him in a really
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  Speaker 1: crucial moment, but Muno skits out of it. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Munos was throwing one hundred and three last night.
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  Speaker 4: Yet I was.
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  Speaker 5: Thinking about that because we're people saying he lost his velocity,
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  Speaker 5: and then I was like, gosh, I don't know, it
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  Speaker 5: seems like his velocity might have increased.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, he never lost it. He never lost his stuff.
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  Speaker 1: He lost it slider for a little while, he did,
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  Speaker 1: and he wasn't pitching enough. That was the reason. But
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  Speaker 1: now we got Mooney back, Moondoggie. We got Moondoggie back
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  Speaker 1: right now. But I mean, it's not a coincidence that
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  Speaker 1: he threw his hardest of the entire season last night
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  Speaker 1: at one three. And that's what I'm talking about. It
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  Speaker 1: is I'm coming into the game and he didn't really
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  Speaker 1: have his slider last night. That's why I threw five
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  Speaker 1: straight fastballs to Dalton Rushing and the fifth one right
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  Speaker 1: down the middle for some reason, that got singled and
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  Speaker 1: started that inning and created all of that tension. But
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: he didn't even have his best stuff last night, but
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  Speaker 1: that was his best. It was his hardest fastball, and
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  Speaker 1: you could tell like there was just a different focus
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  Speaker 1: to him and everybody else. And I don't think I'm
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  Speaker 1: imagining it. I think something clicked. I think the the
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  Speaker 1: the losing three out of four to Texas hit home
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  Speaker 1: and whoever was the person that delivered the speech, it
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  Speaker 1: got through to them for one night, whether or not
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  Speaker 1: they will be able to repeat that for the next night,
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  Speaker 1: because that takes energy. It takes energy to be tunnel vision.
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  Speaker 1: All that matters. Nothing matters, not the gestures, not the
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  Speaker 1: bat flips, not the fun, not the goofing off with
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  Speaker 1: the other team, not the grab assing in the clubhouse.
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  Speaker 1: All that matters is winning. And you've done it one
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  Speaker 1: way all season long, and you dug yourself a whole
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  Speaker 1: three games under five hundred, one hundred and six games
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  Speaker 1: into the year, and you should be embarrassed because you're
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  Speaker 1: so much more talented than that.
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  Speaker 4: And you showed it last night.
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  Speaker 1: And whatever happened, whatever soaked in last night, for at
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  Speaker 1: least one game, that was a different effort, that was
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  Speaker 1: a different team last night. And it was great to see.
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  Speaker 1: And now we need to see it for the next
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  Speaker 1: sixty games, sixty such games the rest of the way, because,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, you didn't gain any ground on anybody.
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  Speaker 1: Last night Rangers won Astros one twins or ahead of
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  Speaker 1: you in the division. They won again. Uh, so you didn't.
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  Speaker 1: You didn't gain anything. The only thing that you gained
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  Speaker 1: is maybe, Oh, that's what we're capable of playing. That's
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  Speaker 1: how we're that's how good we are. We can go
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  Speaker 1: toe to toe with the best lineup in Major League
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  Speaker 1: Baseball on any given night, and they will have, in theory,
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  Speaker 1: a pitching advantage tonight. Uh, and they they will have
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: a pitching advantage in Game three of this series. Now,
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  Speaker 1: they're never gonna have a lineup advantage against the Dodgers.
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  Speaker 1: That's never going to happen. But pitching can win. And
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  Speaker 1: if we get sharp performances out of Hancock and Miller.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not trying to get greedy here. I
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  Speaker 1: want to see three focused efforts like that and if
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: we give that we're gonna win two out of these three,
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: and that can be season changing. That can sound off
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: bells of like, oh my gosh, we we all most
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: forgot how good we could be and now now we know.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: So that was great, loved it. Great game last night,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: and not counting on anything, but I hope it is
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: the start to this team playing like we all know
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: that they're capable of playing.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: I think it is the epitome of Okay, you did it. Now,
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: it's one game at a time. Focus on today and
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: just do that, exactly what you've been saying.
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: Focus. Just focus on the next game.
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: That's it, and then after tonight you will focus on
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: the next game. Don't think about the three games you've
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: got to overcome, don't think about what you could do
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: at the end of September. Just think about the game
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: you've got ahead of you tonight and focus on that,
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: and it shouldn't be overwhelming.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: It's a cliche, but there are reasons for cliches, like
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: it is one pitch at a time. Yeah, that is
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: how you have to play sports at the highest level
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: against the best competition out there. And so can't wait.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: I can't wait. For tonight. All right, let's find out
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  Speaker 1: last night seven to six. Haven't even mentioned dom Canzone,
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: who was the star of the game, but we'll get
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: into that with Mariners morning after he homered twice celebrated
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: both of them. The Mariners hit five home runs against
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Dodgers pitching last night and went at seven to six.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Mariners notes. Rob Resnider, activated last night from the injury list,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: had two extra base hits, including a key two run
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: homer off the foul pole in the game. Brendan Donnov
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: and we were hearing was going to there was going
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: to be a move we were all assuming to the Dodger. No,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: it was just a Tacoma So he, I guess is advancing.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: But still know Brendan Donovan on this roster, and now,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: according to many reports, maybe he's in a race to
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: get to the big league club with Michael Arroyo, who's
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: hitting three twenty four at Tacoma, one of the top
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: prospects in the organization, a right handed hitter, by the way,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: and those are gold right now in the sport. And
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: so Michael Arroyo might beat Brendan Donovan to the Mariners
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: twenty six man roster. There's a chance he could be
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: activated here in the next couple of days. We shall see.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: Trade deadline is five days away. Last night's win goes
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: a long way toward convincing Jerry and Justin to make
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: that trade. But it's getting trickier by the moment, and
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: we're going to talk more about that a little bit
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: later on in the show. A day off from training camp,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: but it does to me we won't check in with
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Greg Bell his analysis, well not his analysis, his observations
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: from yesterday's day four training camp. He'll join us at
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: seven oh five, and as I mentioned, h will be
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: with us from eight to ten. Denzel Ward, cornerback for
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: the Browns, signed a new contract yesterday. Well, I wonder
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: how that will affect Devin Witherspoon's negotiation. Jalen Carter signed
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: a new contract with the Philadelphia Eagles. Probably a set
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: the bar for defensive tackles if you're thinking about Byron
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Murphy's future. And Kirk Cousins yesterday was named QB one
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: already by the Las Vegas Raiders. Kyle Shanahan's actual story
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: emerged yesterday. We'll have to spend some time on this.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: I don't have time to get into it now, but
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: he took the blame for the accident and said that
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: the reports were wrong. So I don't know what led
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: to that. He took the blame. Fever beat the storm
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: last night, and news on the broadcasting front here in town,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: which we'll talk about later this hour. At least Woodward
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: the new voice of college football for the Washington Huskies,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: and Eddie Olcik is no longer going to be with
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: us and our family which is set. So some good
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: news and some bad news on that front. But coming
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: up next Mariners morning after we'll talk about Dom he
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  Speaker 6: Oh no, that's a good sound and it sounds at
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: a Dodger stadium. That is good to see for Cal
• 22:27
  Speaker 6: Rawi he ties the game instantly, Julio in charge out
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: tulle fowl and the home runs are coming back for
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: the Mariners. When's the last time Cal and Julio have
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: homer it in the same game?
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Al April Yeah, fun time ago, April eleven. Aaron Goltzman,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Mariner's TV on the call. He was really good last night.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Ja Valley was really good last night. It was just,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, it was just so nice to see our
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: guys hit good night. I mean, you can just just
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: this crack of the bat. I mean I was, you know,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: I had to go pee at one point, and I
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: didn't even get back for the Moncie home run in
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: time for the Dodgers. But I heard the crack of
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: the bat and that sound like was the theme of
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: the night last night. Fortunately, we cracked more out than
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: they did and won it by a final score of
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: seven to six. But the Dodgers are used to that sound.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: I have not been used to hearing a game hearing
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: a game like that in quite some time. We crushed
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: some baseballs last night, and if we were, if he
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: was tipping pitches, fine.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: Oh whatever, sure If he wasn't, thank you.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: How many games have we finished where we're like, was
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: George tipp and pitches last night?
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: How did they just keep crushing them?
• 23:49
  Speaker 7: We have?
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: We've not had one game this year where like, is
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Robleski tipping pitches?
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: Well, if he was, thank you. And to who's pitching
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: the night, please do it? Please do that as well.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, far Quargan on your job. Yeah, yeah, let's do
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: it again tonight. Eric Eric Lower is getting the start tonight,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: another lefty for the Dodgers, but not a very good one.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: If that makes anybody feel better, yeah.
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: It makes me feel better because he's gonna tip his pitches.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Mariners win best game of the year last night, not
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: just because we won. I mean, even if we would
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: have lost that game, I would have thought that was
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: one of the most entertaining baseball games I've seen this season.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: But the fact that the Mariners do pull it out
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: that Munios with nobody out and Otani at third up,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: one gets out of that jam and the M's hold
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: on for a seven to six victory. It could be something.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's the kind of win that does tend
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: to turn things around. I mean, it was a complete effort,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: even Castillo, who gave up five runs. I thought at
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: times dug really deep to get out of some situations
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: last night, and then obviously we finally hit the baseball
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: and hit it hard. Cal said as much afterwards. It's
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: the kind of game that could turn things around. But
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: we got to come back same exact focus, same exact
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: effort tomorrow night, because you didn't gain any ground on
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: anybody last night. Rangers won Astros one twins one in
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: the wild card standings. So this team does get a
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: nice win last night, but they got a lot more
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: work to do. Seven to six the final. They play
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: again tonight at seven to ten. It will be left
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: hander Eric Louer for them and Emerson Hancock starts for
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: the Mariners. It could be his final start as a Mariner.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: We'll talk more about that later on this hour. We're
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: five days away from the trading deadline. Still not much
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: movement at all on the trading deadline. We've had a
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: couple of moves, that's it. But it should pick up
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: here in the next couple of days. Also Storm loss
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: to the fever last night the first game of the
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: second half. Elise Woodward is now the voice of the
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Washington Huskies football program. Eddie Olchik is out on the
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Kraken Network and we will certainly miss him. And then
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: from the National Football League, Kyle Shanahan changed the story.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: He took control of this story forget the PR firm.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: They came in and asked him about his recent traffic
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: accident and he said, the report is wrong. It was
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: my fault. I dropped my cell phone. I went down
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: to grab it and I drifted over into the other
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: lane accidentally, and I caused the accident. So that is
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: in contrast to the reports that were made previous. Maybe
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: we'll find some time to talk about that later on
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: in the show, but right now, it's time to talk
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Seahawks football. Joining us our Seahawks insider, Greg Bell.
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: I swear it's frozen, so that's probably just gonna start randomly.
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  Speaker 1: Hopefully Greg's not frozen. We'll find out well. Hello, Greg Mail,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: good morning. I'm doing all right. Ure you looking forward
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: to a little day off from the Virginia Mason Athletic
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Center here today.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's nice to be outside and are Oh see
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Ashley again. I've gotten the dark by herself anymore.
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: It's glorious there's light.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: It is such. I mean, we've had such a great
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: spring and summer so far. I mean just phenomenal. And
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: I don't think you can overstate it. I mean, anybody
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: that played even high school football knows that, you know,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: practice preseason practice. I mean we didn't call it training
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: camp when I grew up in Illinois, but it was
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: in the dirt and the dust and the humidity and
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: the heat. Nobody take for granted how nice it is
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: to plactice football in rent and Washington every year, because
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: it has been fantastic out there.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Greg, Yeah, it is. And the every year, the guys,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: the first player, the first year players, whether it's rookies
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: or guys that just acquired. A lot of them are
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: from the sec areas. Yeah, from Florida, or they're from Attle, Dama, Mississippi.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: They can't believe it. I mean you can hear them
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: talking among themselves, the eagles, the lake, the boats going
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: by the breeze. Even when it's hot on the hot's
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: a relative term here in Seattle, but even when it's
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: hot in the eighties, on those practice days, there's at
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: least a breeze off the lake. Leonard Williams was talking
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: about that yesterday. It's crazy nice. I mean, especially for
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: those of us who covered the team when they were
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: in Cheney at the Eastern Washington University staying in the dorms,
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: and the players used to stay in those siloed dorms
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: right next to Ruse Field. It was hot like one
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: hundred and ten and Mike Hongeran would have them out
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: there in two point thirty afternoon and practice this two
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: a days and it was not this Now. They stayed
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: at the Lake Washington Hyatt and the right by a
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: lake with freezes. It's I've been to a few training camps.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Ox Gnard for the Cowboys is pretty nice too, but
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Napa for the Raiders when I covered the Raiders. But
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: this one's just when I can't think of anyone that
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: has to be better than this.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: You know, you know it's funny, and I don't want
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: to labor this point. We got a lot of other
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: things to talk about. But there are baseball players that
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: will choose in free agency. Part of their their decision
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: is I want to do spring training in Arizona, not
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Florida or vice versa. Like. That's how specific it sometimes
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: can get. And so I'm not saying that free agents
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: will choose the Seahawks because training camp is going to
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: be an eighty degree weather tops, but it doesn't hurt
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: I'll say that it certainly doesn't hurt.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: A lot of those baseball guy's own homes in the
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Phoenix area, and that's another reason why they want spring
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: training there.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: All right, well, let's get into it. I have not
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: asked you yet who's creating the most buzz at camp.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Hugh did weigh in on that topic yesterday, and he
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: brought up a name. I was going to say, is
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: that right? So you're both on the same page with this, tell.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Riley Mills. I was listening to that and I was like, hey,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: Riley Mills is what's really fast. And you don't think
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: of a defensive lineman as fast, but that's exactly what
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Mike McDonald wants in his defensive lineman. I had Riley
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Mills on my show yesterday. He plays. I saw him
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: yesterday in a span of three plays, go from a
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: zero technique nose tackle over the center to a three
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: technique on shading the guard as a tackle to outside
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: as an end on three consecutive plays. I also saw
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Riley Mills running down the field an open field special
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: teams drill, looking like he was a gunner on the
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: punt team or a coverage team guy in the open
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: field on kickoff. That's what Jabot had him doing. He's
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: running everywhere like he has a bionic leg instead of
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: a reconstructed one that cost them almost all of last season. Yes,
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Riley Mills can get. We've talked to Chuck now for
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: throughout the Super Bowl year. Last year, we said, yeah,
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: the defensive line is good, but they aren't as deep
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: as the previous Super Bowl defensive line. I remember we
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: talked about how they used to run nine, ten eleven
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: guys in the first quarter like hockey line changes. They
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: aren't there yet Riley Mills, though he wasn't there most
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: of last year until the very end. If he emerges
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: like he's emerging in training camp, they suddenly become deeper,
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: which makes them on the defensive line, which makes them better,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: and that gives McDonald way more options to do all
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: kinds of things. With Leonard Williams and Byron Murphy and
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: even Jaron Reid, Riley Mills has a chance to be
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: a gigantic piece that they didn't even have last year.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: It's like acquiring or drafting a new guy on their
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: defensive line. The way he looks that. We talk a
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: lot about the back seven and Ernest Jones and Devin
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Witherspoon and Nicky m Worry and even up front the
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Marcus Lawrence and Leonard Williams. No one's thinking about Riley
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Mills because he wasn't on that team. Until he's got
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: to sack his first career sack in the Super Bowl.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: He could be a huge factor. He looks like he's
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: completely back from that injury.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: What kind of versatility because I know a lot of
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: teams now look for defensive lineman the Michael Bennett type
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: that he can go three technique he can. He can
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: even line up over Knows if you need him too.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: He can go five technique. What kind of versatility is
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Mills bringing to the field.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Just what you said, and I said three plays in
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: a row. He played three different positions. That's what Byron
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Murphy was doing last year. That's what Leonard Williams does
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: for them, and something to a lesser extent, Jaron reed
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Reid doesn't often go outside a defensive end. But the
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: trick to an offense and offensive line is when they
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: have their protection calls, they are leaning those protection calls
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: to a Leonard Williams, to a DeMarcus Lawrence, and if
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: that guy's lining up in a different spowler, even Byron
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Murphy is one of the best double team eaters in
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: the league. And when those guys move from play to play,
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: they have to change their protection calls. That causes confusion.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: That's part of McDonald's edict to the defense to dictate
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: to the offense. You make the offense react to us.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: And when you have defensive linemen that can move from
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: different gap to gap depending on the down and distance
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: and play and play call, and oh, by the way,
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: you have a defense that will change those gaps right
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: before the snap. After they line up one way and
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: stem to another. It's chaos for the defensive front that
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: the offensive line, quarterback, and the play car have to
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: deal with. Mills is fitting right into that. He's no
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: different schematically than Leonard Williams. I'm not saying he's Leonard
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Williams in effectiveness and skill, but he's doing the same thing.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: And that's how I thought. What made Byron Murphy take
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: a next step last year is that he moved up
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: and down the line and was effective in all of it.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was a risk. It was a
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: dice roll to take a guy five months removed, not
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: even at the time it was just four months removed
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: from reconstructiveknee surgery that ended his career at Notre Dame,
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: draft him in the fifth round and make him a project.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: He talked to me yesterday, Riley Mills did about how
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: the Seahawks kept telling him We're not just going to
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: put you on a red shirt year and let you
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: freeze through and rehab all the last season. They told
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: him they were they wanted him back for the playoffs,
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: and he was motivated the entire training camp and end
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: of the season watching practices and stayed involved in film
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: because he knew he was going to play. I thought
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: that was a really subtle but smart way of Mike
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Donoll's coaching staff to keep Mills engaged instead of just
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: shelving him for an entire season like a lot of
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: teams would have.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Greg Bell is with us, our Seahawks insider joins us
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: nearly every day at this time here during the football season,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: and of course we were already asking and I talking
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: about my inability to multitask. I had to enter some
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: sort of code to unlock information on my computer, and
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: of course I missed the part where you were talking
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: about Riley Mills versatility because I can't multitask. So yeah,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: so I apologize. I do that every day, like I
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: tuned out for like fifteen seconds, and that's apparently the
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: part that I tuned out on. All right, let's talk
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: about Let's talk about that secondary because obviously Emon Wori's
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: outright now, you've got to replace Woolan, You've got to
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: replace Bryant. How are they doing it so far in camp?
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Who are the guys that they're plugging in there?
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Well, the Anthony Bell is getting the reps for nick
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Emun Worry as the hybrid linebacker that moves up when
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: they bring in five or six defensive backs. He's been
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: very good doing it. They blitz him off the edge
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: and nobody's blocking him. Devin Witherspoon is playing inside Nickel.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: When they do go nickel, he's blitzing and no one's
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: picking him up either. The offense has a blind spot
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: the blitzing right now that Brian Fleury and John Bentman,
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: the offensive staff, need to fix the when they go Nickel,
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: it's been them Iah Pritchett outside. But when you say
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: who's replacing Woolan, they already had a replacement here and
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: they re signed him for eight million dollars a year.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: That's Josh Job. Woolan was not starting, though he was
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: playing seventy percent of the snaps last year. Remember they
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: had that three corners for two spots thing going on
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: where they were rotating Job and Woolan and Witherspoon. And
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: Witherspoon never came off the field in that arrangement, so
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: it was really a platoon. Mariners would have loved it
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: with Job and Woolan at one of the corners. Well,
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: now it's job spot. The Kobe Bryant spot has been
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: ty O Katta. He's been staying in the back with
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Julian Love he Okada. Remember this time last year, you
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: and I were talking about this yesterday. Ocata was just
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: a special teams fringe player on this roster this time
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: last year. Then Jillian Love gets hurt early in the
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: season and misses two months, and he takes love spot.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: And then when Love comes back, Kobe Brant gets hurt.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: So Okata stayed in the line of Okata ended up
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: starting eleven games last year. And McDonald loves how he
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: just does everything right. Here's the game plan, he execute
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: cutes it perfectly, fundamentals he executes perfectly, picking up the
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: right reads, the right calls, changing from the back. He's
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: uncanny and his sense and his smarts and carrying out
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: what the coaches want. McDonald loves him, and he looks
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: like he's here to stay. That's part of the reason
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: they didn't try to match Kobe Bryant's offer from the Bears.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: They love Bryant, but they also really really like Tyle Katta.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Bud Clark flashed yesterday.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: He did Bud Clark the second round pick. Some people think, well,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: that's probably who should be starting now that Brian's gone.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Well he's so far, I've been strictly on the second
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: team defense. I haven't seen him but for one series
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: when they were going seven to eight defensive backs with
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: three deep safes across the middle and a special prevent
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: defense Monday. That's the only time in spring and summer
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: I've seen Bud Clark went starting defense. But yesterday Michael Dansby,
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: who's had a really good training camp, the seventh round pick,
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: a cornerback from Arizona, made a really nice play on
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: a good pass from Jaylen Millroe. By the way, Milroe
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: had his best day yesterday in two years. But Danzy
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: tipped the pass to Bud Clark behind him in safety,
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: and Clark intercepts, and as the defense always does, even
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: though the play's over and everyone stops, the defense runs
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: through the huddle and through the guys behind the line
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: and go all the way to the other opposite end zone,
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: and a couple guys are following him. It looks like
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: kids getting out of school or running on the playground.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: And when he got to the end zone, Clark grabbed
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: himself and did a nest he plunge back first into
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: the end zone, a Marshawn Lynch move, and then he
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: took the ball and punted it into the crass berm.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: The fans, the season ticket holders there out there yesterday,
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: and I joke to people with standing next to me that, oh,
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: he obviously trying to get on hard Knocks because they're
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: going to show that clip on Tuesday in the first episode.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: But yes, Clark has been somewhat for his personality and
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: his pedigree of being a second round pick. He's been
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: somewhat overshadowed so far because he has been on the
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: second team. But yeah, he made himself known yesterday.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: And I also want to talk about the receivers with
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: you here today, because man, you know, at the beginning
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: of a year, you're always sort of a lot of fans,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: a lot of talk show hosts glass half full kind
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: of you know, Tory Horton's going to take a step
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: forward and Barner is going to take a step forward,
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: and JSNS arrived as an elite wide receiver. Well, you know,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: Price is working on his pass catching every second of
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: every single day. Not everybody can have an upgrade in
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: their production at the wide receiver position. I'm expecting more
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: double tight end. I'm expecting more out of Frankly, Barner
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: and Arroyo this year, but maybe not the receivers. I mean,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Rashid's making seventeen sh Heed's making seventeen million. There's one ball,
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: I think. I don't think they changed that rule in
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: the offseason. There's one ball. So how is?
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: How is?
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: How does it look like it's going to map out
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: who is going to get more production wide receiver wise,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: tight end wise, and who's going to have to suffer
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: because of it.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: It's funny because you're right, I've been doing this since
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: twenty two, twenty four years ago, is when I started
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: covering NFL training camps. Every NFL training camp of every
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: team I've ever covered, it's, oh, we have too many
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: wide receivers. How are we gonna find room for? How
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: were going? There's not enough footballs for all And it
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: always works out that they throw to four or five
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: of the same guys and then dudes get hurt and
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: you have to have six or seven ready, and then
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: the seventh and eighth guys play on special team. Yeah,
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: all of that. Cody White, for instance, deserves a shot
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: every time he gets a chance, he performs, he deserves
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: a shot, and yet here he is again the sixth
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: or seventh wide receiver on the Tory Horton. They envisioned
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: him on the field with Rashid Shaheed as dual deep
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: threat speed guys. They want to see defenses react to that. Okay,
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: now we got to cover two dudes blowing tops off
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: the defense. Then who's gonna cover Smith and Jaywick, Cup
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: and Barner underneath? They will see what that looks like.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Brian Flurry, the new offensive coordinator, is going to throw
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: to the tight ends more, and he's gonna throw to
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: the running backs more than Klin Kubiak did not the
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: Kubak was wrong. He had a guy that ended up
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: eighteen hundred yards and the Offensive Player of the Year
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: as his wide receiver, and he had a Super Bowl MVP.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: Cooper Cup is the other one. But Flurry is a
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: tight ends coach. He's not going to forget the tight ends.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: AJ Barner. I'm predicting a J. Barner is a Pro Bowl,
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: borderline All Pro tight end this year in this because
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: that's how much they're going to feature him and not
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: how much is going to stay on the field. Because
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: it can block, so he can be there on every down.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: But those like to your point, those targets have to
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: come from somewhere. You're not gonna add plays. They're not
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: gonna give an extra series and extra downs because they
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: have a lot of receivers. So, yes, I could see
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: Smith and jigg Well let's just put it this way.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: Unless Smith and Jigba is now Lance Hallworth, his numbers
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: are gonna go down. He's just going way for eighteen
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: hundred yards. So that's the eighth biggest season in NFL history.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: They've been playing football for a couple of days. His
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: numbers are gonna go down. Cups, numbers and targets could
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: go down because of Barnard, because of Price, because of Hallani,
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: because of Salbert. Now Nick Bennette's back at tight end. Yes,
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: what you say is exactly right, and they hope they
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: have a problem getting balls to a lot of people.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: But oh, by the way, this team's still run first, predicated.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: On the round. Yeah, and there's that.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, fifty of the time, they're not even gonna be
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: passing the ball.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: All right, what do you got for ten o'clock today?
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: You're gonna hear from Cooper Cup at about ten twenty
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: five or so. He really had a nice common sense
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: explanation on why he thinks every NFL stadium should have
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: grasp and how he knows it's possible. It's just whether
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: they want to do it or not. I wonder if
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: the new owners are listening, and at eleven o'clock you're
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: going to hear from Riley Mills my conversation with him yesterday. Well,
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: I'm sure you've already talked about a chuck, but we're
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: going to talk about how inexplicable that Mariners win. When
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: was last night? What your favorite part of it might
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: have been? My and my son watching it, Our favorite
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: part was when Roebleys put through the ball backwards out
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: of his glove from the morning track.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: I thought it was your favorite part. They finally hit
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: and your favorite part was the best.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: That was because that was inexplicable. I thought, oh, Tani
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: was going to get an inside the park home run
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: off that I thought he was not going to stop
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: at third. He had to stop because there's nobody.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Got a bad knee, otherwise he might have probably.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: If he didn't have bad knees, he probably would have
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: scored on that chopper to Naylor and those are all
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: the new. Yeah, well we're gonna talk about.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: That, all right, man, Well we'll be thank you.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: Have you ever seen a major league player throw them
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: all backwards and he's picking it up from the warning track?
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: That was crazy?
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: I think I probably have. But of all things to happen,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, you play such a clean, focused game, you're
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: outscoring the Dodgers for goodness sake, and then all of
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: a sudden exactly, but they survived. They survived. All right, man,
• 44:26
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• 45:06
  Speaker 1: a day off from training camp today, but we want
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: to get Hughes thoughts on what he saw yesterday and
• 45:10
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  Speaker 1: Excited to have the QB one here in studio with
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: Ashley and myself. But let's get to the abcs of
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: the ms. After the most thrilling win of the entire
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: season last night, a seven to six win over the
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: Los Angeles Dodgers, much needed, no question about that, and
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: the type of win that maybe does catapult this team
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: in the direction that we all believe they can head.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: I won't say all of us, A lot of us
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: believe that they can head. Maybe it will finally unlock
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: this season, but they've got to repeat, rinse, and repeat
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: going into tonight in Los Angeles against the same damn
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: great team.
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it is one game at a time. I think
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: I think a lot of us haven't fully given up
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: hope or haven't given up hope that this team can
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: do it. There's a lot of people who are like,
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: it's not still early anymore. Yes, it is, because they
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: can overcome whatever deficit they've got. That's just what I mean,
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: that's all it is. So yes, one game at a time,
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: and I hope they can continue it tonight.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Players letters in the alphabet we left off of the
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: letter M is for murky. Things get a little murky
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: here tonight. Though we're five days away from the trading deadline.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not saying tonight's the most important game
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: of the entire season. Maybe last night's was. Maybe in hindsight,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: will look back on it and we'll have circled that game.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's the game that Dom Canzone pulled off in
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: Dallas so that we didn't get swept. Maybe it's the
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: three run Homer Cole Young hit the weekend before where
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: it looked like we were going to be embarrassed. So
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know what's gonna end up
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: being the biggest game of the year, but certainly the
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: games are feeling bigger the further that we go into
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: this season, and you're five days away from the trading deadline,
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: and the one name that's being brought up the most
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: is Emerson Hancock, and he's going to pitch the game tonight.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: He's the starter tonight. I mean, is he auditioning for
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: other teams? Is he has he been told off field, hey,
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: don't listen to the rumors. Whatever happened with Emerson Hancock
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: being thrown into the rumor mill, it came from inside
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: the house, yep, from the Mariners to Ken Rosenthal, and
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: now it's running wild, and nobody from inside the house
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: has gotten out in front of it publicly and said no, no, no,
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: Emerson Hancock's not going anywhere. In other words, Emerson Hancock's
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: gonna take the mound tonight against the best lineup in
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: the sport, knowing I could be pitching my last game
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: as a Mariner, my last game with my buddies, and
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: I gotta go out here and pitch my best. I
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: gotta be a great team player tonight, even though I
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: might not be on this team tomorrow. That's that's what
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: he's confronting psychologically tonight. And I that just can't be easy.
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: No, And you're probably thinking, I mean if I would
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: be if I were him, Okay, Well, if I pitch
• 48:04
  Speaker 5: really well, will they keep me? If I pitch really well,
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: does that mean I have a better chance of leaving?
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: I mean, you're I think you'd overthink everything. If if
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: you make a mistake, oh now they're gonna get rid
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: of me.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: You simply have to have the mindset MS for mindset
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: that I'm a professional baseball player and I love these guys,
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: and I'm gonna give them my all, and if it's
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: my last game, it's my last game, but give me
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: the ball.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna give these guys, my buddies, my teammates, my friends,
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: this organization, the fans. I'm gonna give them everything I got.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: And here's the good news. Emerson is cut from that cloth.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: He will he'll go out there if he gets bade
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: around tonight because the Dodgers have a really great lineup
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: right well, not because of him, not because of him,
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: not because he's going to give some half ass effort,
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: or he's going to be overwhelmed, but we're overwhelmed by
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: worry that he's going to be traded anything like that.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: But I mean, who knows, maybe the Mariners will press
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: the trade a little bit. Maybe you won't even make
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: the mound tonight. We are in a six man rotation
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: after all. I mean, there is nothing wrong with a
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: trade going down today and sliding everybody up Emmas for
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: Miller tonight, and then Gilbert pitches the last game of
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: the of the series. So everything's on the table at
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: this point. But it is rather murky the whole Emerson
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: Hancock the Mariners situation right now.
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: It definitely is.
• 49:34
  Speaker 5: That's an app that is a very apt description and
• 49:38
  Speaker 5: is far no moss.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: All right, this is it for the six man rotation,
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: right I don't want to see it anymore? Hop Yeah,
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: I mean I don't even I never liked it to
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: begin with. I don't want to see it anymore. I
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: mean I think, I mean, we could have thrown Bryce,
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: we could have had an Emerson Hancock who's been better
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: than Castillo pitching last night, or a Bryce Miller pitching
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: pitching today. I just don't want to see it anymore.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, if Castillo's our fifth best starter because we
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: don't want to activate Kate Anderson yet and roll the
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: dice on that, fine, but I'm tired of seeing our
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: sixth best starter pitching as much as our best starter.
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: I would agree with that he should not be.
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's this is it. This is done with. We're
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: done with a piggybacking. We are done with a six
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: man rotation. This is it, this is it. Help, this
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: is the last night of it. And so whatever you
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: do with the trading deadline, whatever you don't do with
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: the trading deadline, lock in on your five best starters
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: and let's go.
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, make up your minds all right.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: Oh finally is for Otani, who put on a show
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: again last night. And man, if you're going to come
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: across the letter O in the ABC's of the m's
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: and we're facing the Dodgers, how could I not put
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: Otani there? He is injured last night and it is
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: the reason why we didn't go into extra innings. Shoe Otani,
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: along with everything else, one of the best pitchers in
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: the world, one of the best hit in the world,
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: one of the best power hitters in the world. Is
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: also one of the fastest baseball players in the world.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: And yet right now he's dealing with a knee injury
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: that's keeping him off the mound. Obviously they're babying it.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: You know, he's in the lineup, but you can see
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: he's not one hundred percent and he's at third base
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: with nobody out. Last night, Freddie Freeman hits a high chopper,
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: a healthy show Aotani scores easily on that play, but
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: a baby'd show. Hey Otani is told by the third
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: base coach, hey, we're not taking any chances. We know
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: your health is more important than this game or this run.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: If that's the Mariners. If he's on the Mariners, he's
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: trying to score on that because we needed that game
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: a lot more than the Dodgers needed that game. But
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: that's is baseball, not crazy. That's the way base When
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: people say that's baseball, that's baseball. That show Aotani is
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: the guy at third. It hits when Freddie Freeman hits
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  Speaker 1: the chopper to our first baseman, and yes it's a
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: drawn in infield, but that was such a high chopper,
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: fast healthy, Show Aotani scores easily on that play. Instead,
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: I can't risk further injury. My third base coach just
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: reminded me, So anything on the infield, I got to
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: make sure it goes through otherwise I stick at third base.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: And then he never scores, so the Mariners end up
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: pulling it off. Shoey Otani almost took the game from us,
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: but Showyotani and his health preserved the game for us
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: last night.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, because if he's healthy.
• 52:35
  Speaker 5: He's going on contact and there's no question about it,
• 52:38
  Speaker 5: but certainly on a high chopper.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I mean it's interesting too.
• 52:42
  Speaker 5: Though not interesting, it's sad actually that him not healthy
• 52:47
  Speaker 5: is still better than eight percent of other baseball players
• 52:52
  Speaker 5: pretty much. It pretty incredible. Yeah, I mean he could
• 52:55
  Speaker 5: pitch too right right now.
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: But yeah, they won't let him.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: They're they're not gonna let him for a while. All right,
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: We're gonna get list at breakfast before Hugh Mellon joins
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: is set to eight o'clock. It's come on, We're five
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: days away from the trading deadline. What do you think
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  Speaker 9: Not really, I think, you know, And I think a
• 53:19
  Speaker 9: part of that too is like I didn't. I didn't
• 53:22
  Speaker 9: think I played my best football in the Super Bowl.
• 53:24
  Speaker 9: You know, you always dream. I've said this a lot,
• 53:26
  Speaker 9: but like you always dream as a quarterback when you
• 53:28
  Speaker 9: win the Super Bowl, you want to throw for four
• 53:30
  Speaker 9: hundred yards and you know, have three or four touchdowns.
• 53:33
  Speaker 9: So you know, I took care of the football, which
• 53:35
  Speaker 9: is first and foremost, Like that's my job, take care
• 53:37
  Speaker 9: of the football. Marks the team down the field and
• 53:40
  Speaker 9: do my job that way. Especially with the way our
• 53:41
  Speaker 9: defenses roll in that game, you can kind of get
• 53:43
  Speaker 9: a feel for that, and so I just felt like
• 53:45
  Speaker 9: it was my job to protect the ball, but I
• 53:47
  Speaker 9: felt like I could have made a lot more throws.
• 53:50
  Speaker 9: And that makes it a lot easier to kind of
• 53:52
  Speaker 9: put the Super Bowl in the in the rear rear
• 53:54
  Speaker 9: view mirror and just look forward and continue to, like
• 53:59
  Speaker 9: I said, look forward to this season and continue to
• 54:01
  Speaker 9: work and strive towards getting better.
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  Speaker 1: The voice of Sam Darnold, super Bowl champion quarterback of
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: yours Seahawks, last night right here on these airwaves Sports
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• 54:18
  Speaker 1: was grilled. I mean he had two Mike Wallace's going
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: after him. It was softy. It was Hugh Millan interviewing
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: him last night from Seahawks training camp and some great stuff.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: You want to hear the entire interview, go to ninety
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  Speaker 1: three three KJR dot com. The interviewer or one of
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: the two is with us right here in studio or
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: QB one is wh It's.
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  Speaker 10: Hugh Millan, good morning, what's happening. Yeah, A couple of
• 54:42
  Speaker 10: Roy firestones. Yeah, after did you get him to cry
• 54:45
  Speaker 10: at any point? Did he tear up at all? Yeah,
• 54:48
  Speaker 10: we yank at any emotions, all kinds of mommy and
• 54:52
  Speaker 10: daddy issues from early childhood.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, what did you want to ask him and
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: what did you feel that you got out of him
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: in that conversation yesterday?
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  Speaker 10: Well, you know what I'd really love to know, probably
• 55:07
  Speaker 10: more than anything, is here, here's a guy that that
• 55:12
  Speaker 10: took the path. We all know the failures with the
• 55:15
  Speaker 10: jets and what have you, and then he kind of
• 55:17
  Speaker 10: emerged like a phoenix, you know, from the ashes and
• 55:21
  Speaker 10: and you know the Viking success and then and then
• 55:25
  Speaker 10: all through last year and when everybody said he couldn't
• 55:27
  Speaker 10: win the big game. You know, I'd love to to
• 55:31
  Speaker 10: to know there had to be somebody that he would say, yeah,
• 55:35
  Speaker 10: take that something. But you can't ask him that question
• 55:37
  Speaker 10: because you know he's not going to answer it. But
• 55:40
  Speaker 10: you know you kind of dance around, uh you know,
• 55:43
  Speaker 10: the the uh, the satisfaction that he may have had
• 55:47
  Speaker 10: from that. But I that that would be one where
• 55:50
  Speaker 10: I'd start is wanting to know just you know, whether
• 55:53
  Speaker 10: it was a relief. We asked him, was it a relief,
• 55:55
  Speaker 10: like you know, Steve Young member when Steve Young.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: And and and the Invisible Monkey and what have you.
• 56:02
  Speaker 10: And uh, but but Sam is such a humble guy
• 56:06
  Speaker 10: that he's just gonna deflect and he's just going to
• 56:09
  Speaker 10: talk about the team and what have you. So I
• 56:12
  Speaker 10: think he's a wonderful guy. I think is n't a
• 56:15
  Speaker 10: wonderful quarterback. I'm not sure that'd be the first adjective
• 56:17
  Speaker 10: I would use.
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  Speaker 1: But he's darn good. I'm glad. I'm glad he's with us.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: So what did you get out of the conversation that
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe you weren't expecting to get some sort
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: of answer that that you like, maybe surprised you a
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  Speaker 1: little bit.
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  Speaker 10: Well anything, maybe nothing? Yeah, No, I would say that
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  Speaker 10: you know, we we we talked about the working with Flory. Yeah,
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  Speaker 10: and uh, whether or not, Uh, there's gonna be any changes,
• 56:49
  Speaker 10: you know, And and you know, true to his nature,
• 56:52
  Speaker 10: he says, hey, I'm gonna let the coaches coach. But
• 56:55
  Speaker 10: I think that that he can he can communicate, you know,
• 57:00
  Speaker 10: his ideas through throughout the week. You know, maybe not
• 57:04
  Speaker 10: he's involved in the game plan, but I think that
• 57:06
  Speaker 10: he may step up and feel like there's a little
• 57:09
  Speaker 10: bit more autonomy with what's going on working with the
• 57:12
  Speaker 10: first time play color. I mean, it's a Super Bowl
• 57:13
  Speaker 10: MVP now, and how his teammates look at him. I'm
• 57:21
  Speaker 10: very interested in that because my theory is is that, yes,
• 57:26
  Speaker 10: the players believed in him. And Ernest Jones made the
• 57:30
  Speaker 10: comment after the first RAM game, and he appreciated that
• 57:35
  Speaker 10: very much. He expressed that, but there's still no way.
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  Speaker 10: It's not to me, it's not binary. They either believe
• 57:45
  Speaker 10: in you or they don't, you know, like the Buccaneers
• 57:48
  Speaker 10: believe in in Baker Mayfield, but the Buccaneers don't believe
• 57:53
  Speaker 10: in Baker Mayfield to the extent that the forty nine
• 57:56
  Speaker 10: ers believed in Joe Montana after he had won four
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  Speaker 10: Super Bowls, right like like that you keep earning that,
• 58:03
  Speaker 10: And so I think the player that the teammates believe
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  Speaker 10: in Sam MacDonald.
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  Speaker 1: This would be my theory.
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  Speaker 10: They believed in him, and what Eric Ernest Schone said
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  Speaker 10: was that was genuine, that was from his heart. But
• 58:15
  Speaker 10: they still they haven't had that that crowning yet. And
• 58:21
  Speaker 10: the fact that they won a super Bowl with this
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  Speaker 10: guy and and now they have all the rings.
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  Speaker 1: And the hardware and what have you, and and.
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  Speaker 10: When they see Sam Darnold, they know that there's a
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  Speaker 10: that's a guy that can take us all the way.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's really important. Yeah, I'm curious as
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  Speaker 1: to how that does affect the team that he does
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: walk into a training camp as a Super Bowl champion
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  Speaker 1: for the first time. I mean, you were around, you
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: were on the you were in the same quarterback room
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: with Lway, you were in the same quarterback room with Aikman.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't think that you were there before and after.
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  Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken, they were Super Bowl chatampions. I'm
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: not sure you caught them on both of both sides
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  Speaker 1: of that, but certainly you have experienced being around championship
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: level quarterbacks. What what How would it feel different to Sam?
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: How would it feel different to his teammates that he's
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: reporting just the second year reporting to Renton as a
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: football player for training camp, but one year later it's
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: a Super Bowl champion who should have by now shut
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: up all of his doubters, even though he hasn't well
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: and excuse me, Marino hadn't won.
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  Speaker 10: Of course, he never won a Super Bowl, but I
• 59:33
  Speaker 10: think he had the reverence from his teammates. That would
• 59:35
  Speaker 10: be at a super Bowl winning level. Like you know,
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  Speaker 10: he all but walked on water down there, right, yeah, right, yeah,
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  Speaker 10: of course. And so my speculation would be that that
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  Speaker 10: it would be a relief for Sam, Sam and a
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  Speaker 10: conference builter builder, and that the team, now, you know,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 10: they just just have a it got stamped, you know,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 10: before it was kind of in pencil and now got
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  Speaker 10: inked that, Yeah, this guy can win. For so even
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  Speaker 10: if he had he's going to have another bad game.
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  Speaker 10: When he has another bad game, people aren't gonna you know,
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  Speaker 10: I think that he can't win. The big one thing
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  Speaker 10: I would I would venture chuck that when Darnold threw
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  Speaker 10: his second interception in the Thursday night game against the Rams,
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  Speaker 10: second of four. You're talking about that game? Yeah, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 10: that the four interception game was in November in Englewood.
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  Speaker 1: I was in LA.
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  Speaker 10: Then you had the Thursday night game up here, right,
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  Speaker 10: and he crazy one, yeah, the crazy one. And he
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  Speaker 10: threw his second interception early in the fourth quarter. At
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 10: that juncture, his passer rating against the Rams for that
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  Speaker 10: year was forty seven.
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  Speaker 1: He had.
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  Speaker 10: No touchdowns and six interceptions. If you stop right there
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  Speaker 10: and the Seahawks are down thirty to fourteen at around
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 10: that juncture. And if you just stop and say, what
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  Speaker 10: does the team feel about Sam Darnold, Well, they've just
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 10: watched him throw six interceptions against the Rams. You lose
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  Speaker 10: him by sixteen points. I would think that they would
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  Speaker 10: start to have some real doubts about him from that
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  Speaker 10: point on. When he threw that second interception, he went
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  Speaker 10: from zero touchdowns and six interceptions, he went to five
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 10: touchdowns no interceptions over the next two quarters. That's the
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  Speaker 10: fourth quarter and over time and then the NFC Championship game,
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  Speaker 10: and he had one hundred and thirty three passer rating.
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  Speaker 10: He went from a forty seven to a one to
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  Speaker 10: thirty three. And he just found a way, somehow, he
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  Speaker 10: found a way early in the fourth quarter of that
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  Speaker 10: Ram game to flip the switch. And I can't tell
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  Speaker 10: you how much respect I have for a guy to
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  Speaker 10: be able to, you know, to dig deep and find
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  Speaker 10: that for you know, fortitude is a word we don't
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 10: really use other than in poems. You know, but but
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 10: but but it seems.
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  Speaker 1: Like the rhyme fortitude with anything though gratitude for his fortitude.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, I don't know, but uh, but but uh, you
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  Speaker 10: know they got shill fortitude. You know, but one of
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 10: your bros ever sit around on a Barry go.
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  Speaker 1: I was making love to my woman the other day
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  Speaker 1: and I'm like, you did that with great fortitude. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'll borrow that win over gang. Yeah here from Ashley too.
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  Speaker 4: Doesn't work.
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  Speaker 1: Hugh Millan is with us our QB one. Uh as uh,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: we're talking Sam Darnold. Of course, Hugh and Softy interviewed
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: Sam last night. If you want to check out that
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: entire interview ninety three three k a R dot com.
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  Speaker 1: But certainly, you know this is somebody that we think
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: should have silenced all of his critics. He has not.
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  Speaker 1: And so for a follow up to being a super
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  Speaker 1: Bowl champion, I still think he's got a lot of
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  Speaker 1: ceiling left. I think that he found a lot, found
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  Speaker 1: out a lot about himself, his capabilities two years ago
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  Speaker 1: in Minnesota, found out even more about himself last year
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: after living with a lot of disappointment as a professional
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: athlete for a number of years and in different uniforms,
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  Speaker 1: And now now he can just kind of relax and
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  Speaker 1: say I want to let my knowledge, my skill, my talent,
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  Speaker 1: my relationships with my teammates just kind of take over.
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  Speaker 1: I think there's another level or two that he can
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  Speaker 1: reach him I out of my mind. No, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think so at all.
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  Speaker 10: I don't know physically how much better he can get,
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  Speaker 10: because you know, he's played at a pro Bowl level
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  Speaker 10: last two years. Last year he led the league in
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 10: yards per drop back, which we've discussed as a core
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 10: a correlation to winning over seven hundred. So I don't
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 10: know that he can get a lot better, just because
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  Speaker 10: I don't know if anybody can get a lot better
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  Speaker 10: statistically at some of these things. But certainly he can.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 10: He'll he would briskly say, of course I can get better.
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  Speaker 10: We would hope that that winning the Super Bowl and
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  Speaker 10: getting the real respect that we were just talking about
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 10: a moment ago from his his teammates, and maybe the
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 10: stop asking the quest. You know that before every big
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 10: game last year, the Seattle Times had a headline can
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 10: Sam Darnald's words to the effect of Ken Donald will
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 10: now win the Big One, even after he had just
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 10: won won a couple weeks ago.
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  Speaker 1: You know, so you know, if that if if one
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: of the.
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  Speaker 10: Sports pages is laying around the locker room, all the
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 10: players are seeing this headline, you know, Ken Donald win
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  Speaker 10: the Big One to stuff, and they know it because
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 10: it's coming from a lot of different channels. And so
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 10: the theory would be that because he has emphatically stated
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 10: and accomplished that, yes, indeed I can win the Big One,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 10: can't win any bigger than what he just won, then
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 10: maybe there's a relief there and that he can just
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 10: play kind of unbridled and sort of new heights. I mean,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 10: he's only twenty nine years old. So yeah, yeah, it's
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 10: entirely plausible.
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  Speaker 1: What are you seeing? I mean you've now laid eyes
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: on him. Sam twenty twenty six. Sam Darnold at training camp.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, does anything stand out about has anything look different?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he is running a new offense, he's getting
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: used to a new running back, he's getting used to
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: a new offensive coordinator. In the last couple of days
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: at camp, did anything stand out to you about Sam?
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  Speaker 1: I think that he.
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  Speaker 10: First of all, there's a right for right now, there's
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 10: a lot of pass rush on him. I think that
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 10: that the pass rush is closing in on him. They're
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 10: not in pads, and so you know, sometimes the way
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 10: you handle that, you know, defensive lineman. They're playing all
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 10: out offensive line. You know, maybe they can't do things
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 10: they want to do from a context, you know, use
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 10: their head to you know, stun somebody for example, and
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 10: and and so right now, I feel like the pocket
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 10: is closing fast on him, and so he's having to
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 10: wiggle around the pocket a lot. But I wouldn't say
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 10: that there's any glaring difference about what you see. It
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 10: makes a lot of good throws a very few poor throws,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 10: you know, I look at him. There's a video board
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 10: on the side of the practice. Now, not every team
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 10: has done that. In fact, this is the first time
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 10: I've seen this. Seahawks do this just in recent years.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 10: But but they they'll run the play, so you watch,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 10: you know, as you're observing the play from practice, you
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 10: watch the play, and then you turn around on the
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 10: video board and it's about it. It's on a constant feed.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 10: I think it's about ten seconds behind, fifteen seconds behind,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 10: probably ten twelve seconds behind. And so the players can
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 10: then look at the play immediately, so you'll see him.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 10: He'll go stand and watch the video of a play,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 10: and you can see he's got a very high standard
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 10: because he shakes his head and he you know, you know,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 10: he kind of looks disgusted in himself on plays that
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 10: aren't even that bad. So I think that he's, you know,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 10: there's some signs that he's he's he's holding himself to
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 10: very high standard. And then there's no coach around him saying, hey,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 10: look right there, you know you miss that or or
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 10: what have you. It's just him critiquing off of the
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 10: what's termed the all twenty two tapes so that he
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 10: can see the you know, the obviously the offense and
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 10: then all twenty two of players with the back safeties
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 10: and what have you. So he's he's seeing the picture
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 10: that he would normally evaluate in a meeting after practice.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 10: The way they have it, you can watch it immediately,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 10: and so he's taking that in.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: Like us being on YouTube now, like you're gonna see
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: me shaking my head after every segment that could have
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: been better. Just for all the segments, Chuck, I just wanted,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: I don't need to be called into the office to
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: be told. Uh. Hugh Millan is with us r QB one.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: Of course, a day off for Seahawks training camp today,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: but does give us a chance to get some other
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: thoughts I mean beyond Sam Darnold. Yesterday you watched practice.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: Any nuggets come out of yesterday's observation.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 10: Well, I think that Brian Fleury coming from the Rams
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 10: ecue me from the forty nine ers they had Christian McCaffrey,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 10: and Christian McCaffrey is probably in the top three, probably
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 10: top two running backs I've ever seen coming out of
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 10: the backfield. I think Marshall Fallk with the Rams is
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 10: kind of the gold standard. Yeah, there's a guy named
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 10: Gary Anderson that played in the USL for air Charger
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 10: and then you play for the charge Yep, yeah, you
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 10: got it. So my top three in my years watching
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 10: the NFL would be those three guys. And so Flory
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 10: comes in and they're really trying to feature the running backs,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 10: particularly on the wheel routes. I'm seeing more wheel routes.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 10: And what is a wheel route the way a wheel
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 10: route is a running back. He starts to go to
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 10: the flat and then turns it up to a vertical.
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  Speaker 10: I'm generally up the sideline, right, It's generally into the boundary,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 10: you know, not to the field. It's generally to the
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  Speaker 10: weak side of the formation. So what you do, So
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  Speaker 10: let's say you're on the left hash and you go
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 10: trips right, so you're putting three receivers to the right side.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 10: So that means you have an X receiver, a split
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  Speaker 10: end into the boundary, and then the halfback. So what
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 10: you want to do is you want to take that
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 10: X receiver and you want to clear out the vertical space,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 10: whether it's a go route or typically you want to
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 10: post route, because a post route will start vertical, which
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 10: will clear the corner, but then then as you go
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 10: to the post, the corner will begin to shadow with
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 10: him and that will pull him farther from the sideline. Now, eventually,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 10: if there's good communication between a corner and a free safety,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 10: depending on the coverage and the nearest safety, the corner
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  Speaker 10: can hand off that post to the safety. But that
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 10: excuse me, that doesn't always get executed, you know, right
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 10: in the middle of a play. And so the wheel
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 10: is most often accompanied with a post route in front
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  Speaker 10: of it, and so that puts a burden on the
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 10: whether it's manner zone on with the flat defender the
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 10: underneath widest defender. So we have deep covered guys and
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 10: we have shallow covers the underneath coverage guys. And those zones,
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 10: the widest ones close to the sideline are called curl flat,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 10: and then the inside guys closer to the hashmark to
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 10: the midfielder called hook zone defenders. And so that that player,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 10: as the coral flat is, he he's got to widen
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  Speaker 10: with the flat route. But then he's got to he's
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  Speaker 10: got to carry a wheel. In fact, sometimes you'll see
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 10: in a defensive playbook you'll see that responsibility. You'll say,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 10: i'm CFW coral flat wheel. And what that means that
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 10: that's hard for a linebacker to start to cover the flat.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 10: Like remember when Drake Thomas had the uh the interception
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  Speaker 10: against McCaffrey in that forty nine er. In the forty
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  Speaker 10: nine er was the fourth quarter of the game, right,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 10: and they were trying to hit McCaffrey on a flat
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  Speaker 10: and Drake Thomas matched him. The balls a little behind
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  Speaker 10: gets bobble, Thomas makes the interception. So now the wheel
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  Speaker 10: route would be faking something to the flat then turning
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  Speaker 10: into vertical, and it puts a burden on the athleticism
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 10: of the linebacker. We've already talked in the past or
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 10: the last couple of days that when when the Seahawks
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  Speaker 10: generally when they line up with Nick em and Worry
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  Speaker 10: as the SAM linebacker, and I'm I'm gonna go to
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  Speaker 10: the Seak defense to make a point. He's as a
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 10: SAM backer, He's usually to the to the field. The
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  Speaker 10: field is is is is is the opposite of the boundary,
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  Speaker 10: and and it's more there's more ground to cover, so
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 10: at any rate, and so Drake Thomas, he he's into
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  Speaker 10: the boundary and Emon Worry is into the field. So
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 10: if you're running wheel routes into the boundary, you're more
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 10: likely to get you know, a guy that can't cover
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 10: as much ground. So how is it working then with
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 10: Floord against Nick? What's that with Flory?
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: Why? What is what's there? Throwing a lot of wheel routes,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of wheel routes.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm I'm I'm throwing a lot of Jenderim Price
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 10: to talk to all the running backs and they're getting
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 10: touchdowns out of them. They're getting long Some of the
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 10: biggest uh, you know, hoots and haulers that I've heard
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 10: from the fans on the burm are on long passes
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 10: on these wheel routes to running backs that are touchdowns,
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 10: are long gains and I'm just seeing a lot of
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 10: wheel routes and you don't have.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: To necessarily have a McCaffrey to be able to be
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  Speaker 1: effective in that play.
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  Speaker 10: No, McCaffrey is going to be better because because he can,
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 10: you know, he's quick, he understands how to set up defenders,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 10: and then he tracks the ball and he's got the hands.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 10: So any quarterback would rather throw to McCaffrey than any
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 10: anybody we have. But I think what Flory is is
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 10: trying to test and say, hey, do we have anybody
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 10: who can do these McCaffrey type things. And so I'm
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 10: laying out some of the x'es and o's that that
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 10: that are that are involved in the in the thinking
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  Speaker 10: by coaches and players on what make a wheel route work.
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  Speaker 10: But yeah, but we've seen a lot of them. I
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 10: mean I wouldn't if you know, after I saw the
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 10: first one, it didn't really make an imprint on me.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: After like I saw the.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 10: Seventh one, this might be, this might be worth talking
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 10: about on KGr for a couple of minutes.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to find the easy solution to all
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: of this. But if Falk's better than McCaffrey, then why
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: don't we just get Marshall fault.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 7: It's so simple, right right. I mean, if you're getting
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 7: Aaron Donald, he's not even on a team right now,
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 7: hanging out in Canton, you wouldn't even have you wouldn't
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 7: even have to pay.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: With Kenneth Walker. No, no, let's get it. Let's get
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: the best. Then here's if he's fifty five. All right?
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: Coming up next, We've got Hugh and studio for the
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: next couple of hours here and I'm going to introduce
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: a new feature to our training camp coverage, something that
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: is really going to test our QB one. We're calling
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: it Spin the Pin, and we're going to do it
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: next on Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ R
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  Speaker 1: f M. Great Wednesday morning to you all. My name
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: is Chuck Powell, Ashley Ryan is here and our QB
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: one Hugh Millan, who we've been leaning on pretty heavily
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: here this week. Training camp coverage got started on Monday today.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: There is no training camp. They took the day off
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: and it's given us an opportunity to be in studio
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: here together and we do have our QB one ready
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: to introduce a brand new feature to our training camp coverage.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: Came up with this off the air yesterday. I'm like,
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: is there a way that I can catch you off
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: guard with anything? Can I? He's like, he was like, oh,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: I got I'm pretty well studied on this team right here.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, if I just like spun a wheel
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: and it landed on somebody, you'd be good to go. Yeah,
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: it might be, and it might be.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 10: I don't want to get over my skis. There's a
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 10: chance you could trip me up.
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  Speaker 1: So I said, well, we should do that then, And
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: so we are going to introduce today spin the pin.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: So I have all of the players on the roster
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: on a sheet. I've got them like in an oval
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  Speaker 1: h and I am going to spin an ink pin
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: because that's all we have in lieu of proper game
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  Speaker 1: show equipment. But it's not going to make a sound.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: It's not gonna make any kind of noise. So I'm
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: going to actually literally spend the pin on a piece
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: of paper that I crafted with all the Seahawks players
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: on the roster on it. But it's going to sound
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  Speaker 1: like this. We won't stay on the sheet.
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  Speaker 4: You need need to spin it again.
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  Speaker 1: No, no.
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  Speaker 4: Flawless.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to say that landed on. Are you ready,
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: I'm ready give it to us. Derek Hall. Derek Hall,
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: Derek Hall, he's back. He's got a new contract. He
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: took less than what they said he could get on
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: the open market. Yeah, he's on the second team depth
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: chart right now with the Seattle Seahawks.
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  Speaker 10: Is the one I pulled up so over working a
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 10: lot with the number ones yesterday because DeMarcus Lawrence is,
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 10: you know, having his downtime.
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  Speaker 1: Soak Derek. So Derek Hall.
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  Speaker 10: First of all, I think if we're talking about Derek
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  Speaker 10: Hall that he was one of the leading edge guys
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  Speaker 10: along with Boy Mafy. Why is Boy Mafay at Cincinnati
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 10: Bengal Because because Derek Hall holds a better edge in
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 10: the running game. And when you look at him, he
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 10: there's an I've been talking about Jedion Price and his
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 10: skinny legs. Let me tell you something about Derek Hall
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 10: and his frame and his legs. I mean, he looks
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 10: like an undertaker, like like a human undertaker that's going
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 10: to freak, like put you in the morgue. Like his
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 10: his violence factor is possibly the best on the team.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 10: And uh so there's there's a strength. There's a great
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 10: strength that he is the ultimate mesomorph. Look it up,
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 10: it's an actual word. He is the ultimate mesomorph that
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 10: if you don't want to look it up. But that's
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 10: that's that's the most muscular type of frame you can have.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 10: So you say, well, all the all these guys are
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 10: are they're professional? Well, some of them are intomorphics, some
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  Speaker 10: of them are ectamorphic. He is mesomorphic, which is is
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  Speaker 10: the the thick muscle.
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  Speaker 1: Uh and my high school nickname makes perfect sense. Well,
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: what were you the big ecto? No, now it finally
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: makes sense. Oh why is everybody calling me around here? Ladies?
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think you misheard that, But that's okay. Anyway, mesomorph, yes, mesomorphic,
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  Speaker 10: is is the muscles and and so the violence of
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  Speaker 10: his ability to hold the edge. So on these outside zones,
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  Speaker 10: let's say the forty nine ers their favorite plays the
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 10: outside zone. If a tight end can handle the edge player,
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 10: that's gonna be a big problem for the defense. That
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 10: edge player has to stack on that that tight end
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 10: and be able to throw him and not get moved.
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  Speaker 10: So that's one of the great battles in the outside zone.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 10: Seahawks favorite play, it's the forty nine ers favorite play.
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  Speaker 10: Rams run it a lot, and so the ability to
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  Speaker 10: set the edge is paramount For Mike McDonald, every coach
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 10: wants an edge player is looking, hey, how did he
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 10: set the edge? How does he get after the passer?
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 10: Mike McDonald leans more heavily than others, for example, the Bengals.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 10: They proved to you where their priority is. We're gonna
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 10: pay twenty million for a guy that doesn't set the
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 10: edge nearly is well as Derek Hall, right, but he's
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 10: he's perhaps a little twitchier, a little bit, a little
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 10: bit uh little you know, the a little more quickness
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 10: in mafe. But Derek Hall, you saw him in the
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 10: Super Bowl. He uses his strength again, the mesomorphic nature
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 10: of his frame, uh, and his training. You know, I'm
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 10: not saying he just you know, uh, he just hit
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 10: the ground running with that. He's developed his his his
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 10: body and and so that ability to hold the edge
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 10: is vital to what they do. You hold the edge
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 10: on first down, you and second down and and create
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 10: the longer third down situations. It's like a pitcher being
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 10: in an O two count. You know, the longer yardage
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 10: you can have, and so you have to earn the
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 10: right you know, they talk earn the right to rush
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 10: the passer on third down by how you play on
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 10: the neutral downs first and ten second second medium that
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 10: then stopping that run. So I would say there there
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  Speaker 10: there are decisions with these young edge players.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: Conmember. Now you got Nosu and d Law, the older
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: defensive ends that they augment that with Fouler uh this year. Uh.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: And then you had the young guys Derek Hall and
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: you had Mboy Mafe.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 10: Their their decision of who to retain is an indicator
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 10: of their philosophy.
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  Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that Hall doesn't have some sack up
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: side though, Right.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 10: Yeah, he has sack upside. He uses He's gonna use
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 10: power more than strength. And he's plenty he's plenty twitchy enough.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 10: I mean, he has more than sufficient twitchiness. I'm just
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 10: saying that he doesn't have the twitch of the elite.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 10: Uh, guys, you know, I mean nowadays in the combine,
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 10: you got guys that are you know, uh, you know,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 10: six y five, two hundred sixty pounds that are running
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 10: in the four fours. You know, So he's he's not
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 10: that that kind of speed athlete. He's gonna get more,
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 10: you know, convert speed to power so he's going to
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 10: try and beat the tackle to the outside, get the
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 10: tackle to commit to try and stop his edge rush,
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 10: and then he's more likely to say, Okay, I'm not
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 10: going to continue on trying to get the edge. Now
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 10: I've got you thinking that I'm going to the edge.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 10: I think my best path to the quarterback is now
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 10: to convert. I've fooled you thinking I'm trying to get
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 10: around you, but now I want to go right through
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 10: you and catch you off balance, get up underneath you
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 10: and and walk you back to the quarterback. And so
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 10: so that's that's stuff with you know, he had he
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 10: had a beautiful sack that way in the Super Bowl
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 10: where where you know it's speed to power.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: I'm glad spend the pen landed on Derek Hall. We
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: needed to talk about Derek talking about Derek Hall. He
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: deserves mention. I agree. And and you know what, when
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: Cincinnati chooses Mafe and Mike McDonald picks Hall, I feel
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: pretty good, right, I mean, the Cincinnati said back there, like,
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: wait a minute, he rather would have Hall? Did we
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: make a mistake? You right? Wouldn't you question that if
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: you're Cincinnati, Like if I'm a Bengal fan. Have you
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: found out afterwards like Mike McDonald wanted haul all along
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: at a cheaper rate.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 10: Well, if I had done a deep dive on who
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 10: Mike McDonald is. Yeah, now we've all done that deep
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 10: dive because he's ours, right, But you know, Mike McDonald
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 10: just has this this vision of how pro football is
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 10: supposed to look in every facet. It's not just the defense.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 10: He'll walk over to the offensive coordinator and give him
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 10: a list of things, Hey, this is not good enough.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 10: And I just said would as if, as if that's hypothetical.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 10: I think that's poor choice of words by me. He does.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 10: It's not that he would do it, or he might
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 10: do it, or he will do he does do it.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 10: And and you know that that it's been said that
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 10: that a great painting needs two people, the artist and
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 10: then somebody to tell him when to stop. Which if
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 10: you can kind of visualize like okay, that there is
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 10: a point where right, there is a point where you
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 10: just say, okay, it's right, it's right now, like stop tinkering.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: We have it.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 10: Now, my analogy is going to break down because with
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 10: Mike McDonald, there's there's not two people. It's it's he
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 10: it's his vision. And then he decides when he says, okay,
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 10: we we I'm gonna be We're going to be really complicated.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 10: But as Einstein said, no more complicated than we need
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 10: than needed. And and so that's his vision of football.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 10: And and he knows exactly how much complexity he can
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 10: have and then when to stop. Nobody's tapping him on
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 10: the shoulder. But but I don't know. It's a good
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 10: illustration for me to like, like, like to think of
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 10: just how important it is in so many endeavors to
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 10: know when when it's right or we're the cost of
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 10: getting any more improvement is diminishing returns, Like we can
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 10: have another hour meeting, We're only going to get one percent.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 10: We're gonna wear these guys down.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: No, we have it.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 10: We're good guys, understand they can play fast. And so
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 10: so you're right. His declaration with Derek Hall that this
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 10: is the young defensive and I want to keep it
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 10: tells us a lot about his philosophy.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no doubt. And McDonald versus Mike Brown, I'll
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: go with McDonald on that one. Even a mesomorphic me
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: could figure that out. You know, somebody who's just all
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: physical and strong and raw. All right, coming up next
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: here on the radio program much with you, we will
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: talk a little bit more. I mean, we can't go
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: the entire two hours with Hugh and not mention that
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: baseball game last night. I'm wanna get huge thought sports
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• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: Seahawks have a day off from training camp, and so
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: we returned to our comfortable studios and we brought Hugh
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: Millan with us, our QB one who's with us until
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: ten o'clock today. We will get into talk of camp
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  Speaker 1: so Philadelphia seventy six er, and and Hugh Millen not
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  Speaker 1: the biggest Lebron James fan in the world on the
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  Speaker 1: on the other side of things, but he is now
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  Speaker 1: a Philadelphia seventy sixer and he's getting ready to fight
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  Speaker 1: right the final chapter here in his career. I think
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  Speaker 1: he's gonna win you over in the next couple of years.
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  Speaker 1: Are you a Lebron fan? I do like Lebron. I
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: do like Lebron.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, well, I think it's an interesting topic. And and
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  Speaker 10: I certainly concede to the thousands of the millions, indeed
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 10: the tens of millions that that are Lebron fans. But
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  Speaker 10: I think that there's a voice, there's a I think
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  Speaker 10: there's a reason why those who are detractors. I think
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 10: there's good reason why they're detractors. And and and I
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  Speaker 10: think it stems around if if we say, look, unquestionably,
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  Speaker 10: by any definition, Lebron is a superstar. So let's let's
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 10: confine the conversation to superstars. Doesn't need an elaborate definition,
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  Speaker 10: we understand it.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 10: Uh, So we're we're talking about the Joe Montana's, the
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  Speaker 10: Tom Brady's, We're talking about the the Wayne Gretzky's, the
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  Speaker 10: Tiger Woods, right, you know, the very the Bo Jackson's,
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  Speaker 10: and and you know, with these superstars, whether we consent
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  Speaker 10: to it or not, we who are sports fans, we
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 10: are in a long relationship with superstars because there we
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 10: are going to be inundated with them in many capacities.
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  Speaker 10: And so then it's left to us to decide, hey,
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  Speaker 10: do we do we like this? Do we root for
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  Speaker 10: this guy? And and then I would almost say, then
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 10: then then what are the qualities that that a person
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  Speaker 10: would display in the superstar? Again we're talking superstar. What
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 10: what would they display that would draw us to them?
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  Speaker 10: And then what would be the attributes to the qualities
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 10: the actions that might repel us from them? And it's
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 10: different for I'm not saying there's a universal, but I
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 10: think it the uh when you look at it, I'm
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 10: going to just refer to when Tom Kite played his
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  Speaker 10: last British open. Peter Arlis, the famous announcer, you know
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  Speaker 10: the British you know the British. He says, you know,
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  Speaker 10: he's getting this wonderful ovation because he has displayed that
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 10: human quality which is all most admired, humility. And so
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 10: not to say that Peter Arliss is God, although sometimes
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 10: his voice sounds like the voice of God. But but
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  Speaker 10: let's just a few of the things. You know, he
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  Speaker 10: gets the Chosen He's named the Chosen One by Sports
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  Speaker 10: Illustrated as a teenager. He's not the first to be
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  Speaker 10: anointed in similar fashion. Wayne Gretzky, when he was a
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 10: child younger than seventeen, a reporter from the London Press
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 10: came out to do a study on him because he
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 10: had like four hundred goals in a year, and they said,
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  Speaker 10: everybody needs a nickname. We should just call him the
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  Speaker 10: Great One. His father resisted it. Wayne Gritzky did nothing
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  Speaker 10: to bring that on, and Gretzky says, at some point
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 10: we just decided, well, I guess we're gonna have to
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  Speaker 10: give in and live with it. Lebron James took that
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 10: and he took on five inch letters and he tattooed
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 10: across his back. And by the way, Chosen is mentioned
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 10: at least four or five times in the New Testament,
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 10: to signal the Messiah. And even if you're an atheist,
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 10: do you say, wait a minute, there's a there's a
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  Speaker 10: religious connotation too.
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  Speaker 1: In there, because I needed to represent the other side
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  Speaker 1: because you said a keyword father. Yeah, Wayne Gretzky, he
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  Speaker 1: had a father and a leader and somebody that was
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: making sure that his son's ego did not get out
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  Speaker 1: of control. Even though he was special. Lebron did not
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: have that growing up. I mean, he had a mother
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: and she was carrying and doting, but I don't think
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  Speaker 1: she quite understood the basketball world, like mister Gretzky understood
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: what his son was getting into with hockey. So I
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: think that that little First of all, I think Lebron
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: in a lot of ways has has behaved very grounded
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  Speaker 1: in his days, but certainly he's lapsed over into arrogance,
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  Speaker 1: you know, smugness. Certainly he has. But when you have
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  Speaker 1: been labeled the chosen One from age fourteen on, you
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  Speaker 1: tend to believe some of the headlines. I don't defend
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  Speaker 1: him getting a tattoo that says chosen One on it,
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: but I think maybe Wayne had a guy that was
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: there constantly keeping his feet on the ground where I'm
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: not sure Lebron did well.
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  Speaker 10: Certainly Lebron James is not, but she did a phenomenal
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 10: job of morals and Lebron's never gotten into trouble and
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 10: he's never been in trouble with the law that as
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 10: a mother, she did a phenomenal job with that and
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  Speaker 10: making sure that, hey, with your power, let's not make
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  Speaker 10: an ass of yourself constantly when you're out hanging with
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 10: your buddies. So so we're being asked to certify a
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 10: man's virtue because we are presented with his rap sheet
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  Speaker 10: and we we notice that it is empty. That's it
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  Speaker 10: like that, that that's we've confused the floor with the
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  Speaker 10: ceiling like that, like that, there's there's no there's no
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  Speaker 10: honor insaying well I didn't beat my wife and so
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 10: to me, uh I, I don't you know that that
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  Speaker 10: doesn't get any traction to just say, well, he doesn't
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  Speaker 10: have a rap sheet. That that's the that's that's just
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 10: a standard of low expectations. It's saying that we're lots
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 10: of temptations more so than most people do. And a
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 10: lot of superstars give into that stuff. Uh and he didn't.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 10: I mean, he comes off as a family man and
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 10: a great husband to his wife, and a great father
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 10: to his children, and a very active father.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe too much though at that time. So I think
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: there are some merits to I'm just I'm saying that
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  Speaker 1: because I think that Mom. I don't want to like
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  Speaker 1: criticize mom, because I think she did a nice She
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: did a great job raising him with absolutely no game
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: plan as to where do I look up? How do
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: you raise the next Michael Jordan? I mean, and so
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: from that standpoint, I don't think she could offer him
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: mister Gretzky's advice, but she could offer him great advice
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  Speaker 1: as a mother to keep him out of trouble, which
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  Speaker 1: I did think she did a phenomenal.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, I think that personal accountability. I probably just put
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  Speaker 10: more stock into it. I mean, if we go through
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 10: you know you had Bryce Harper, he was named the
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 10: chosen one for baseball, Mike Tyson was kid Dynamale. I
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 10: will say this that congratulations, Lebron James. You get the
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 10: gold medal for the most self fag grindizing ink and
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  Speaker 10: all the history of athlete tattoos. You put chosen one
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  Speaker 10: five inches on it. Congratually, you got another gold medal
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  Speaker 10: There's been a lot of athletes who've had their contract
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  Speaker 10: expired to make an hour long special and to rip
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  Speaker 10: the heart out of your hometown.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't mind on the decision. You didn't mind it,
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  Speaker 1: oh not at all. As a matter of fact, I
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: was one of the people's looking forward to it. That
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: that shocks. So first of all, the NBA, what did
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: you The NBA wanted him to do it it thirteen
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: million people watched it. I wasn't the only one that
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: was interested in it. So I mean that guy was
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: made a spectacle of for the last three years. Everywhere
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: he went, people wanted to find out where he was going.
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  Speaker 1: He couldn't play a next game without Knicks fans holding
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: up Stack. That was the biggest free agent in history.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: And the NBA and ESPN and Lebron James people put
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: together a show to announce where he was going to go.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: I didn't love it, but I didn't hate it. Well
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: he so he watched it. He agreed to everything right
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  Speaker 1: like and.
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  Speaker 10: The gigantic billboards in Cleveland that earning his career to
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 10: sit where he says, we are witnesses. He agreed to that,
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 10: you know, which is yet another beyond a superstar. It's
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 10: almost a religious connotation. We are witnesses. But so you're
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 10: saying to me that you're okay with an athlete who
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 10: had already has the intention to leave his city to
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 10: have an hour long special to draw it out to
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 10: look at me, look at me, the coronate, the self coronation.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 10: You're okay with that. I'm okay with it. I don't
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 10: say I love it, but yeah, I'm okay with it.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 10: The biggest free agent in the history of sports. I mean,
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 10: there was obviously an audience for it. What we regardless
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 10: of whether there's an audience, I'm we're talking about Lebron
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 10: James self awareness about about the act of what he.
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  Speaker 1: Did in the NBA protect him. I guarantee you, I
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: guarantee you, I guarantee you to I guarantee you, Hugh
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  Speaker 1: that almost every athlete in his position would have signed
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: up for that, almost everyone. If the NBA, almost nobody
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: would Well. Put it this way, you think that every
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  Speaker 1: high school player does it when they're just going to
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: go to college. They do it an hour special, yeah,
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: at their own local community, and they're on television, and
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: they sell out auditoriums, not sell out but they invite
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: people to the auditor.
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  Speaker 10: You don't see a difference between a high school athlete
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 10: who has not declared where he's going to play heron. Well,
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 10: Lebron was already a Cleveland Cavalier. Yeah, and so he
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 10: had already played, and so there was there was a
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 10: more of an assumption that he would return. Yeah, there
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 10: was more people thought that he would return, that he
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 10: would leave.
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  Speaker 1: Like I said, I didn't have a problem with it.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: A lot of people didn't have a problem with it.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: I do understand why some people did have a problem
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: with it, but it was certainly compelling theater. I watched
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: all thirty minutes.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 10: I don't dispute that that people watched it and they
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 10: were drawn to it. The question is what does a
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 10: reasonable man get turned put off by that? And I'm
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 10: I'm surprised even the Lebron defenders. I'm surprised even Lebron
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 10: defender said, Hey, overall, I like Lebron. James would look
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 10: at that say that was an error judgment, like like
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 10: he should not have done that, that like that that
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 10: would be I would think the prevailing opinion, like I
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 10: like Lebron.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: For all these reasons. If we go back to the decision.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: Probably fumbled that one. But you're not of that opinion.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: You're not even close. Okay, well, yeah, I would wonder
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: what would what what an athlete could do in that
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: situation that you'd say, oh wow, that's that's he kind
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: of dropped the ball on that. Can you think of
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: anything that would have if.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 10: I'm sure if that didn't meet the bar to have
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 10: you uh think to yourself that there's a mistake, then
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 10: what what bar would be?
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, now we got on the television show Atani.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: If Shoe a Otani would have done a show, I
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: had no problem with it. Shoe a Otani's decision two.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: I mean that was something that we were all on
• 1:39:15
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• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: was going to go next. I just don't have an issue. Okay.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 10: So how about when Michael Jordan was asked are you
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 10: the greatest? By Michael Wilbon, he said, and I quote
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 10: Michael Jordan, I don't want that label. I don't want
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 10: it in a sense because I think it disrespects Wilt
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 10: chamber Chamberlain, Jerry West, the guys that played prior to
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 10: me that I never had a chance to play against
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  Speaker 10: what everybody is saying that I am whatever. I never
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 10: had the chance to compete against those other legends prior
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 10: to me. When I hear it, meaning the goat talk,
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 10: I cringe a little bit because it's in because no
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 10: one ever knows. And he goes on along those love Jordan.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 10: So yeah, right, okay, so that's Michael Jordan. Lebron James
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 10: has his own special after the Cavaliers won their title
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 10: and he says that right there made me the greatest
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 10: of all time.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't like that.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 10: Like it's like there's a when we when we look
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 10: at these superstars, there are there accomplishments already, stand by themselves.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: Let others do the crowning.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 10: Don't be the one that at every turn is is
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 10: looking to be the one to crown yourself, you know,
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 10: the not one, not two, not three, not five's not
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 10: seven you know.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: Uh I. But I would just say I I will
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: point out, like as a Lebron fan, that he's had
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: a lot of missteps. There are things that he does.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: I don't all the historyonics and theatrics was ridiculous. I
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: do think he crosses over beyond, well beyond arrogance at times.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: I think he's a terrible general manager. And how nobody
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: stopped him during his career from messing in other people's
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: departments I think was a mistake on his part. But
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: the Lebron detractors, they won't say anything good about him.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: Whatever he does. I can say negative things about him,
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: but nobody it's whatever he does, it's wrong, and he's
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: Michael Jordan is one of my favorite athletes of all time.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: Michael Jordan. His teammates didn't even like him. I mean
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: they respected him, and they now understand, they understand that,
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: they understand now why he did that. Well, watch the
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: last dance. I watched the last dance. He was the
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: most arrogant guy that has ever probably put on a
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: uniform like everything. He spent his entire Hall of Fame
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: speech going around the room and telling people, remember that
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: time you doubted me? Yeah, well look at me now,
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: remember that time you doubted me. Remember the time you
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: doubted me. That's how that was his Hall of Fame
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: speech when he should have been the classiest he's ever
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: been in his career. I love Michael Jordan, I love
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: Lebron James. People that are that special that freakishly fantastic
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: and great. Yeah, they cross over into arrogance. Your guy
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: Tom Brady rides a goat in a TV ad. He
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: could have turned that down, but he wrote rides a goat.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: That's him saying I'm the goat in a TV ad.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: He could have easily like turned that down, but no,
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna write a goat and a TV ad just
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: to play up the fact that I'm the greatest of
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: all time. It's nothing new. I mean, Wayne Gretzky probably
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: never crossed over into that. Love Wayne Gretzky too, but
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: it's just you defend, you crush Lebron on one hand,
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: and then you defend Michael on the other. And yeah
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: they were arrogant in different ways, but they were just
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: as ericant.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 10: Well, so you don't think you don't see a difference
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 10: between Michael Jordan's quote that I just said.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: For sure and but ad degree I agree. But let's
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: see Lebron's Hall of Fame speech and if it's as
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: tasteless and classless as what Jordan's was, and then look
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: compare those two.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 10: I'm not saying that Michael Jordan never made a mistake.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 10: I'm I'm what I'm saying is that Lebron James has
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 10: it in multiple areas. Why did why did uh Jason
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 10: Whitlock call him uninformed, race baiter just you know, like
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 10: look at his involvement in social issues. He he's not
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 10: looking to united, he's looking to divide. He he I've
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 10: never seen a superstar athlete crown himself repeatedly throughout his
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 10: entire career. And the idea that that he didn't hit
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 10: his wife that doesn't impress me, Like that's that's the floor,
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 10: not the ceiling.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: I'm not doing that. I mean he's raised billions, millions
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  Speaker 1: of dollars for kids an Akron from the time he
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  Speaker 1: started in the NBA, and uh, I mean he's he's
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  Speaker 1: one of the kids.
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  Speaker 10: Tell me an athlete that doesn't well, not to his level,
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  Speaker 10: well not to his level.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. There there's a division about Lebron James that that
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  Speaker 1: people el in Los Angeles. Uh, he was.
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  Speaker 10: He was never embraced because of you know, the the
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  Speaker 10: Brony thing and then he goes to sell That started
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  Speaker 10: with Kobe Bryant. And by the way, Kobe Bryant was
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  Speaker 10: the first one to ever say I'm taking my talent somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: He did that at his high school. He got to
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  Speaker 1: l A, Kobe was already the man. Then Kobe dies
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  Speaker 1: and that was that. Now all of a sudden he
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  Speaker 1: was immortal, and there was like nobody wanted to be
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  Speaker 1: around Lebron. We're at Kobe.
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  Speaker 10: Would you bring up what Kobe said at a high
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  Speaker 10: school when he was leaving high school? He doesn't have
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  Speaker 10: any eligibility examples. I understand constantly that's me. But but
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  Speaker 10: for him to say I'm taking my talents to the
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  Speaker 10: NBA when he's leaving high school, he's not breaking anybody.
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  Speaker 10: He's not taking an hour to break anybody's heart because
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  Speaker 10: nobody at his high school. And what Lower Marion in
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  Speaker 10: Philadelphia expected and have come back because he had he
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  Speaker 10: didn't have any high school eligibility left. So all he
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  Speaker 10: was saying is I'm not going to college, I'm going
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  Speaker 10: to the NBA. What what Lebron? He used that verbiage.
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  Speaker 10: He was the first to use verbiage, even if Lebron
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  Speaker 10: didn't say I'm taking my talents to South Beach, which
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  Speaker 10: was an extra twist in the knife.
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  Speaker 1: And all the lebron As hated that. And I understand
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  Speaker 1: why you hated it. I don't know the thing.
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  Speaker 10: Then then you and I see sports a lot differently
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  Speaker 10: because I actually.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I know, I don't think I really
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  Speaker 1: liked Lebron.
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  Speaker 10: Uh When prior to that, when I watched on Cleveland,
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  Speaker 10: I remember they would do that clear out.
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  Speaker 1: They go to the four.
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  Speaker 10: Corners and they would go one on one and I go, wow,
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 10: this is one on one back basketball like I've never seen.
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  Speaker 10: They literally had his four teammates in the corners of
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 10: the front court like way off so that he could
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  Speaker 10: just they clear out to go one on one.
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  Speaker 1: And I just what a talent. I was drawn to him.
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  Speaker 10: I liked Lebron jay when he did the decision, it's like, oh,
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  Speaker 10: that was like a massive hit with the anvil, Like,
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  Speaker 10: whoa this superstar. I can't believe, Like that's another gold
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  Speaker 10: medal of something I've never seen from an athlete.
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  Speaker 1: And then then I.
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  Speaker 10: Said, okay, well you know you're not going to just
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  Speaker 10: entirely turn away from an athlete on that.
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  Speaker 1: But then this long list of other things.
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  Speaker 10: That he keeps for doing repeating he wants to coronate
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  Speaker 10: himself before let others coroinate you. That's what we that's
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  Speaker 10: what we're drawn to, is I would think most would
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 10: be drawn onto superstars. But you know, if if the
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  Speaker 10: Lebron James decision didn't bother you, then you know, I
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  Speaker 10: don't know that we're ever going to find any agreement
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  Speaker 10: on this.
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  Speaker 1: No, I don't know. I know we're not. We are not.
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  Speaker 1: You are never going to like Lebron, And there's nothing
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  Speaker 1: you're going to say that's going to make me hate him. Now,
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  Speaker 1: if there's something that came out publicly that you know,
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: some stories, salacious stories that I haven't heard about, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'll turn on him. But but well, I think he's
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  Speaker 1: been great for basketball. I think he's been great for sports,
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  Speaker 1: and I've enjoyed his career more so than I've been
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  Speaker 1: bothered by it. Well, I'm looking forward to the day
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  Speaker 1: that he's not on SI Center for forty five freaking
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: minutes out of sixty. Yeah, believe me. I used to
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  Speaker 1: hear that about Michael Jordan. I was doing national sports
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  Speaker 1: talk radio and at a cost that was sick that.
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  Speaker 10: Michael Jordan is. But Michael Jordan has six billion dollars
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  Speaker 10: of tea of excuse me, shoe revenue. Even to this day,
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  Speaker 10: he's like ten twenty times. Lebron is Michael Jordan's popularity.
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  Speaker 10: Michael Jordan's popularity rep.
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  Speaker 1: Mike. I don't want to be like Mike and Bull. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: they did stock radio in the middle of his prime
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  Speaker 1: kind of co host that I had to defend Michael
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  Speaker 1: Jordan every night.
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  Speaker 10: If there was a que read of popularity, I'll bet
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  Speaker 10: you any anything you have that if we say the
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  Speaker 10: popularity of Michael Jordan when he's playing versus the popular
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 10: popularity of Lebron James.
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  Speaker 1: Michael Jordan, Yes, but it's not that he didn't have
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  Speaker 1: his haters and his detractors and people that were sick
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  Speaker 1: of him. A lot of people were.
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  Speaker 10: The way you just articulated that sentence, there could be
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  Speaker 10: three out of the No, you say he had his
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  Speaker 10: his haters and detractors.
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  Speaker 1: Here's my written about how what a jerk he was.
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  Speaker 1: He was beloved by this country, the sport for a
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  Speaker 1: guy to be that on top and simultaneously you.
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  Speaker 10: Know that I want to be like Mike. Everybody loves
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  Speaker 10: Michael Jordans. The gap between Michael Jordan's popularity and Lebron's
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  Speaker 10: James is witer that you can spread your arms a
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  Speaker 10: size of a canyon, all
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