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Normally Podcast: Trump’s Primary Power, Newsom’s Election Panic & Kamala’s “No Bad Ideas” Moment · Normally

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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, we are back on normally the show with
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Speaker 1: normal it takes for when the news gets weird. I
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Speaker 1: am Mary Catherine Ham.
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Speaker 2: I'm Carol Markowitz. How is your weekend, Mary Catherine?
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Speaker 1: I'm pretty good?
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Speaker 2: Was that what weekend?
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Speaker 1: I remember what I did? Actually, really, I just realized
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Speaker 1: why my weekend disappeared from my head. And it's because
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Speaker 1: I spent a large part of Sunday trying to tame
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Speaker 1: my email in boxes.
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Speaker 2: Hmm.
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Speaker 1: That is bold, thankless, and I'm probably not very effective.
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Speaker 1: Work so good after at least I feel medium. I
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Speaker 1: feel overwhelmed. I feel that I'm going to pay some
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Speaker 1: AI to do this for it.
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Speaker 2: Sorry, I'd love AI to do this for me.
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Speaker 3: I have no problem with that. Do you save a
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Speaker 3: lot of things as newsh you.
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Speaker 1: I could give people an aneurysm just showing them the
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Speaker 1: unread number for my Gmail.
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Speaker 2: Man, I don't think I want to know.
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Speaker 1: You don't want to know. It's it's tragic. I'm one
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Speaker 1: of those people who, when the time comes, I must
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Speaker 1: like just auto archive anything over a certain amount old yeah,
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Speaker 1: and just just be like, Okay, that's that's gone. That
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Speaker 1: we don't need to psychologically deal with that anymore.
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Speaker 2: Yes, totally.
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Speaker 3: I say things as new because I want to respond
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Speaker 3: to them. It's again, basically, if I don't respond to
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Speaker 3: you in the first five seconds, if you're writing to me,
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Speaker 3: I am never responding to you.
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Speaker 1: That That is the way I am, except I don't
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Speaker 1: have a system for reading out what I should respond to.
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Speaker 2: Right, It's just if I feel like it.
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Speaker 1: I need to do better. I think I need to
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Speaker 1: do better, so I think I do too, But I'm
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Speaker 1: working on.
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Speaker 2: I have other other goals ahead of this one. This
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Speaker 2: is like down the list.
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Speaker 1: In the spirit of normally, I feel like this is
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Speaker 1: quite relatable.
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Speaker 2: So yes, we are normal.
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Speaker 1: In fact, if someone could run on how to get
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Speaker 1: me to get my email under control, I would listen. Right,
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Speaker 1: Spencer Pratt, do you have ideas.
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Speaker 3: Their whole campaign is like make Mary Catherine read her emails.
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Speaker 1: It's not that catchy, but I would be. I'd be
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Speaker 1: into it.
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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
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Speaker 1: Well, all right, we'll see if it improves, do it.
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Speaker 2: Let's talk the news. There's some very exciting primary stuff
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Speaker 2: happening on the right.
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Speaker 3: A few days ago, Bill Cassidy in Louisiana lost his seat.
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Speaker 3: He lost the Louisiana Republican state Senate primary. He was
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Speaker 3: very famously not a Trump supporter. Let's say, is that
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Speaker 3: even fair?
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Speaker 2: I don't even know.
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Speaker 3: It's it's hard to say because Trump is such a
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Speaker 3: unique situation.
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Speaker 1: And at times he at times he was, but he
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Speaker 1: did vote to impeach at one point, so that was
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Speaker 1: his big crossover, and then Trump went after him. And
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Speaker 1: it's important to note in this one that the loss
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Speaker 1: is pretty significant because it was a three way primary
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Speaker 1: that went to a runoff with the top two and
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Speaker 1: he finished third.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't make that runoff.
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Speaker 3: But also in twenty twenty four, Louisiana ended its jungle primary,
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Speaker 3: which we'll get to in you know, other segments future
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Speaker 3: episodes because we're so into this.
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Speaker 2: But that's what California.
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Speaker 3: Has right now, and they may eventually end it two
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Speaker 3: because that's not going the way that they wanted. So
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Speaker 3: after Louisiana ends its jungle primary, people were warning Cassidy
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Speaker 3: that this might be a problem for you because it
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Speaker 3: won't be you know, this larger coalition of voters. It'll
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Speaker 3: just be Republican primary voters who are upset with him
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Speaker 3: for things like voting to convict Trump in the second
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Speaker 3: impeachment trial after January sixth.
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Speaker 1: Well, and the interesting thing about it, I do feel
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Speaker 1: like Cassidy is kind of a perfect picture of like
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Speaker 1: between a rock and a hard place where and I'm
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Speaker 1: sympathetic to him because I'm somewhat sympathetic to the vote
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Speaker 1: on January sixth, which is appalling what happened and his
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Speaker 1: need to sort of lay down the law on that.
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Speaker 1: And then also he tries to like go a little
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Speaker 1: bit back and extend an olive branch to Maha by
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Speaker 1: voting for RFK Junior, even though he was not a
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Speaker 1: big fan, and it didn't seem to get him much
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Speaker 1: from the President because the President endorsed Julia Letlowe, a
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Speaker 1: representative from Louisiana. Yeah, who finished first in this.
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Speaker 2: That's right, in this primary.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, there was this there was this meme about whether
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Speaker 3: Trump was going to be chill about you know, all
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Speaker 3: the stuff that happened to him in the years between
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Speaker 3: him leaving office in twenty after twenty twenty and all
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Speaker 3: of his arrests and all that, and the meme was like,
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Speaker 3: he was not actually chill. So so yeah, I think
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Speaker 3: he's you know, he has the names in his book,
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Speaker 3: and he's going down the list, and anybody who who
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Speaker 3: is not on his side is not pro Trump, is
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Speaker 3: anti Trump, And look, I'm gonna like some of that,
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Speaker 3: and I'm not gonna like some other ones, which is
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Speaker 3: pretty you know, pretty much where Trump and I are
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Speaker 3: a lot of the time.
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Speaker 1: Well, in a primary space, that's gonna mean sometimes you're
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Speaker 1: gonna have quite good people who shake out of these primaries,
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Speaker 1: and sometimes you have quite bad people. I always use
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Speaker 1: the example of in the Tea Party era. The Tea
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Speaker 1: Party era gave us both Christine O'Donnell I'm not a
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Speaker 1: Witch from Delaware, which lost a winnable Senate seat, and
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Speaker 1: we also got Marco Rubio out of Floyd, who was
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Speaker 1: not the establishment pick at that time.
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Speaker 2: No, he was not right, he was the conservative.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was an insurgent conservative candidate. So sometimes you
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Speaker 1: get really great people out of these shakeups, and sometimes
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Speaker 1: you get very bad people out of these shakeups. So
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Speaker 1: they're going to be different in different races.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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Speaker 3: The biggest primary, of course, going on right now, is
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Speaker 3: the Thomas Massey seat in Kentucky. He and Trump have
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Speaker 3: obviously been at all for a long long time, and
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Speaker 3: the massy primary is the day that this episode comes out, Tuesday,
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Speaker 3: May nineteenth. It's interesting because Massy is trying to run
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Speaker 3: as I look, I vote with Trump all the time?
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Speaker 3: Why is he so mad at me? But they actually
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Speaker 3: have quite a lot of disagreements, and I'm not sure
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Speaker 3: that Massy can honestly say that he has been aligned
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Speaker 3: with Trump. I mean, forget about even stuff like Ukraine
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Speaker 3: and Israel. Massy's biggest issue has been Epstein, and he
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Speaker 3: has certainly implied, though obviously never said that Trump has
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Speaker 3: connections to Epstein and that he has you know, he's
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Speaker 3: culpable in the Epstein situation.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that seems like something that might tick him off
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Speaker 1: once again.
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Speaker 2: Trump not chill about that.
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Speaker 1: Massy is a guy who like much like the pole vibe.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, I like a guy who just like
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Speaker 1: yes all the time, right, yeah, because I feel like
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Speaker 1: in Congress I might be a person who basically votes
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Speaker 1: know all the time. But then it gets a little
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Speaker 1: off the rails in the America first, a little bit
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Speaker 1: isolationist area, which is why partly why this has become
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Speaker 1: like a really big fight, as it ends up being
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Speaker 1: a proxy fight over foreign policy, which Frankly, the president
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Speaker 1: is quite proud and should be of what he has
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Speaker 1: been doing in foreign policy, as opposed to many who
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Speaker 1: think he should just sit on his hands, right.
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Speaker 3: And I feel like the thing is is that in
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Speaker 3: a past race, I would have been with Thomas Massey
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Speaker 3: all the way, but he has become sort of a
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Speaker 3: crank in the last few years. And really, I know
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Speaker 3: people focus on Israel, but to me, it's not actually
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Speaker 3: about Israel. It's about all the other weird stuff around him. Again,
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Speaker 3: the obsession with Epstein just made no sense to me,
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Speaker 3: and the continual pushing on it seemed to me like
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Speaker 3: just an attack on Trump. The fact that role Kanna
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Speaker 3: is his bff, on the Epstein stuff and just in
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Speaker 3: general also a giant tell that this guy has gone
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Speaker 3: off the rails. His opponent, Ed Gelren, seems extremely sane
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Speaker 3: and normal and a typical conservative.
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Speaker 2: And I don't know.
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Speaker 3: The other thing is, you know, a lot of people
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Speaker 3: are like, oh, if Massey loses his seed, it means
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Speaker 3: foreign influence.
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Speaker 2: There's actually no foreign influence involved here.
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Speaker 3: If you want to talk about people who are supportive
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Speaker 3: of Israel funding Massy's opponent, you could talk about people
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Speaker 3: who oppose Israel funding Thomas mass of.
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Speaker 1: Course, yes, well, and actually Americans are allowed to have
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Speaker 1: plenty of thoughts about foreign policy. They people approach it right.
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Speaker 1: What's your prediction. I haven't watched this closely enough to
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Speaker 1: have a prediction, I must say. I know there's a
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Speaker 1: lot of money being spent.
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Speaker 2: But nice extensive house race in history, I.
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Speaker 1: Tend to think Normy usually wins out in a lot
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Speaker 1: of these situations.
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Speaker 3: What we shall see, right, Massy has been very, very
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Speaker 3: popular in his district for a long long time. Trump
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Speaker 3: has tried to take him out before, with no success.
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Speaker 3: This is the closest it's gotten previous primaries. Massy ran
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Speaker 3: away with it. The fact that this is even tight
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Speaker 3: is the question. I hear that undecided are breaking for Gallerin.
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Speaker 3: But I also try not to look at this with
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Speaker 3: any you know, when you when you want one particular
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Speaker 3: side to win, you end up looking at just the
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Speaker 3: things that favor that.
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Speaker 2: So I think Tomas Massey will be hard to beat.
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Speaker 3: But you know, I know what I would say. I
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Speaker 3: hope it's decisive either way. I hope five points, you know,
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Speaker 3: plus in either direction. So this isn't like you know
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Speaker 3: this ongoing thing of like foreign influences in our government,
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Speaker 3: blah blah blah.
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Speaker 1: By the way, one of the things that keeps somebody
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Speaker 1: like Massy very popular in his district is that he
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Speaker 1: stays in touch with them, and probably constituent services are
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Speaker 1: probably like through the roof because people care about those
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Speaker 1: personal interactions. So just a word to the wise for
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Speaker 1: anyone running for Congress speaking of wanting people to win
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Speaker 1: and putting your thumb on the scale. Shall we talk
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Speaker 1: about California now, Carol. Carol and I previewed this to
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Speaker 1: you guys, that there is a jungle primary in California,
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Speaker 1: which means everybody from both sides runs together and the
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Speaker 1: top two end up in a runoff. This is how
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Speaker 1: it's been for a long time in California. The point
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Speaker 1: of this was to lock out Republicans, but because Democrats
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Speaker 1: have done pissed everybody off so much in California, now
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Speaker 1: it is a possibility that to Republicans would come out
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Speaker 1: of the jungle primary for governor to succeed Gavin Newsom.
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Speaker 1: And Gavin Newsom has some thoughts about this here. He
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Speaker 1: was being pretty frank about the idea that we're just
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Speaker 1: not going to let that happen in a press conference.
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Speaker 4: You think Democrats will hold you accountable for standing by
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Speaker 4: this principled neutrality by withholding your endorsement in this non
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Speaker 4: possible scenario.
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Speaker 5: Where Yeah, look, my focus has been making sure that
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Speaker 5: doesn't happen, and I've exercised not just a focus, but
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Speaker 5: I've exercised through some action efforts to encourage that doesn't
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Speaker 5: happen by making my case and will continue to make
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Speaker 5: my case. I do not see that scenario taking place.
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Speaker 5: I've said this before, Saul repeated. I don't anticipate this
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Speaker 5: need to be the case. But there is a break
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Speaker 5: the glass scenario, and there's many people that have a
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Speaker 5: deep understanding of what it would look like if Democrats
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Speaker 5: are locked out, and we're going to do everything to
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Speaker 5: make sure that doesn't happen.
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Speaker 1: A break the glass scenario because because the emergency is
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Speaker 1: the people voicing that they don't want more Democrats at
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Speaker 1: the top of the ticket.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's very loving democracy, if that rhetorical anything, it's
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Speaker 3: just they just love the people giving getting what they want.
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Speaker 3: It's just absurd that why are like, is this not
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Speaker 3: a huge story that Gavin Newsom said, there's a break
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Speaker 3: the glass scenario.
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Speaker 2: If the election does not go the way that he wants.
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Speaker 3: Why is that not front cover News and all these
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Speaker 3: we love democracy outlets. We just want to defend our democracy.
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Speaker 1: Well, you see, Carol, Democrats destroy norms for the right reasons,
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Speaker 1: and that is what's important. So when you're talking about
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Speaker 1: Rocannell wanting to pack the court, that's for the right reasons.
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Speaker 1: Now if herump took him up on it and said, yeah,
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Speaker 1: let's expand right now, that would be for the wrong.
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Speaker 2: I see, I see, thank you for that. I get it.
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Speaker 1: So that's how democracy works and that's how you fight
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Speaker 1: for it. Yeah. No, again, we shouted out Guy Benson
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Speaker 1: last time, but he told me months ago He's like,
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Speaker 1: they're not going to let that happen. They'll just make
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Speaker 1: up new rules. I was like, oh, my naive self.
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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, goddamn right, Yes they would, they would.
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Speaker 2: Oh they so would.
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Speaker 1: Do we have another quick you know, up and coming
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty eight superstar who was down in Alabama this
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Speaker 1: week talking about the redistricting fights and or yelling about them.
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Speaker 1: Here's AOC in Alabama.
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Speaker 4: It is time for the North to pull up to
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Speaker 4: the South. It is time for New York to pull
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Speaker 4: up to Alabama.
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Speaker 2: It is time for all.
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Speaker 4: Of us to come to Georgia, to Louisiana, to Tennessee,
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Speaker 4: to Mississippi.
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Speaker 2: And let them know exactly what they have.
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Speaker 4: Uncorked with this injustice. They think they can draw us
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Speaker 4: out of power. They do not know the sleeping giant
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Speaker 4: that they just awakened, because it is not a coincidence.
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Speaker 2: And our whole country must.
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Speaker 4: Understand that it was not until voting rights were ratified
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Speaker 4: in this country that we got the great society. Because
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Speaker 4: when Black Americans have the right to vote and that
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Speaker 4: vote is protected, our schools get funded. When voting rights
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Speaker 4: are pret healthcare gets expanded. When voting rights are protected,
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Speaker 4: our country moves forward. And Montgomery, that's what they're actually
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Speaker 4: afraid of. They're afraid of us coming together. They're afraid
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Speaker 4: of us protecting one another. Alabama is the crucible.
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Speaker 2: Georgia is the crucible.
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Speaker 4: Tennessee, Louisiana, Mississippi is the crucible.
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Speaker 2: So if you are not from here, it.
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Speaker 4: Is time to pull up, because what they thought was
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Speaker 4: the final blow is actually just the opening.
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Speaker 2: Silo, opening silo.
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Speaker 1: Huh, opening silo. Carol, she meant Selvo. She just doesn't
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Speaker 1: She doesn't know words. I've said over and over again.
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Speaker 1: She shouldn't be underestimated. People like her. She presents well.
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Speaker 1: She has a lot of very bad ideas, I think,
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Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean lefty populism can't sell a couple
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Speaker 1: of things. When she says they need to pull up
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Speaker 1: to the South, many many people already have. They left
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Speaker 1: the Northeast and other places to come to the South
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Speaker 1: because there's more economic opportunity here. You Yeah, when people vote,
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Speaker 1: schools are funded, sure, and the places they actually work
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Speaker 1: are in Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Tennessee. So in some way, yes,
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Speaker 1: it is a very important place where people learn to
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Speaker 1: read across all of the economic levels of different race categories.
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Speaker 1: So that's nice.
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Speaker 3: It's also interesting that none of the people who hear
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Speaker 3: all the dog whistles everywhere, ever, hear the dog whistles
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Speaker 3: on the left. I mean, I don't know, pull up
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Speaker 3: in my corner of Brooklyn would mean like come have
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Speaker 3: a fight, and it wouldn't be it be like give
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Speaker 3: a problem, come pull up, you know, And that's what
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Speaker 3: she's saying, that New York should pull up on the
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Speaker 3: South or the North, you know, like a been done maybe,
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Speaker 3: but b you know, Emily's Nati had this great tweet
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Speaker 3: where it was like Southerner's love when Northerners come and
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Speaker 3: tell them what they should do.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you misunderstand Kuralty. They would be pulling up
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Speaker 1: and or fighting for the right reasons.
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Speaker 2: Right, So it's violence is okay when it's for the
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Speaker 2: right reasons. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: She also had recently had this line where she said
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Speaker 3: she was asked whether she wants to be president or whatever.
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Speaker 3: She said, her goals are so much bigger than that,
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Speaker 3: and people misunderstand that her goals are bigger. And to
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Speaker 3: me that meant armed revolution. It meant like she wants
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Speaker 3: to remake what America is and that's obviously not happening
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Speaker 3: without some sort of armed conflict. We're not all going
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Speaker 3: to be like, hey, let's take up AOC's crazy ideas.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 3: So I feel like she kind of, you know, winks
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Speaker 3: at violence often and it just gets gets very excused.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: No.
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Speaker 1: She lefties will do this all the time, where they
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Speaker 1: sort of say, well, yes, I want to remake the
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Speaker 1: entire system, that's why I'm here. Well, what's what's the point, right,
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Speaker 1: people like Hassan Piker are dumb enough or frank enough
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Speaker 1: to say it out loud, and they stand right next
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Speaker 1: to him and also want the same thing. But we'll
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Speaker 1: just straight up tell you like, oh, I don't know
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Speaker 1: what you're talking about? Wow, what would you?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: I haven't suggested such a thing. It's like, really, how
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Speaker 1: are you going to get widespread socialism all over this
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Speaker 1: country without consent from a bunch of people who don't
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Speaker 1: want it? That's how that's the problem with the communism.
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Speaker 1: That is the.
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Speaker 3: Problem with the communism. You you know, can't just give
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Speaker 3: it to us without us wanting it.
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Speaker 1: You got to throw him in jail at stuff. Oh goodness, all.
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Speaker 3: Right, Well, we're going to take a short break and
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Speaker 3: be right back with another segment of Normally. We are
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Speaker 3: back on Normally where Kamala Harris, you know the same
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Speaker 3: you will about her. She's staying in that conversation. I mean,
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Speaker 3: it's not always a positive conversation for her, but she's
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Speaker 3: in the mix. A few days ago, she was on
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Speaker 3: a video call where she urged Democrats to have the
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Speaker 3: conversations and lay out all ideas and there are no
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Speaker 3: bad ideas let's roll that clip that Mary Catherine Ham
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Speaker 3: is going to blind react to.
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Speaker 2: She hasn't yet, she hasn't heard this one yet.
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Speaker 1: You're gonna be a little afraid.
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Speaker 6: This is a moment where there are no bad ideas,
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Speaker 6: no bad idea brainstorm is what I'd like to call it.
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Speaker 6: And in that no bad ideas brainstorm, we talk about
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Speaker 6: what we need to do and think about doing around
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Speaker 6: the electoral College. We talk about the idea of Supreme
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Speaker 6: Court reform, which includes expanding the Supreme Court. We invite
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Speaker 6: a conversation about multi members districts. We talk about Look
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Speaker 6: that if we win the Senate, which we should and
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Speaker 6: we will, then the Senate Judiciary Committee should have rules
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Speaker 6: that they put in place so when these people come
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Speaker 6: before as nominees to the Supreme Court and lie, that
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Speaker 6: they are held to account and consequence, not just that
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Speaker 6: somebody goes on cable news and says they lie, but
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Speaker 6: that there are rules in place to actually penalize people
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Speaker 6: for lying to a Senate Judiciary committee. That we agree
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Speaker 6: that it is right to have ethics rules for Supreme
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Speaker 6: Court justices, and let's put those in place. Let's talk
19:37
Speaker 6: about statehood for Puerto Rico and DC. These are the
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Speaker 6: things I think that we've got to do. We've got
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Speaker 6: to neutralize these red states from cheating, including blue states,
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Speaker 6: expanding their maps and all of this, I think is, look,
19:56
Speaker 6: we gotta fight fire with fire. These folks are planning
19:58
Speaker 6: and win win.
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Speaker 2: What'd you think? But those are some pretty good ideas.
20:03
Speaker 1: Huh, she's so very not good, She's so very natd
20:08
Speaker 1: proves it every time. I also think just the aesthetic
20:12
Speaker 1: of the like blurred background zoom in this like shoddy
20:16
Speaker 1: office that she's in is so twenty twenty and people
20:20
Speaker 1: don't want to feel twenty twenty again. So when you're
20:23
Speaker 1: doing that, that's what you're doing.
20:24
Speaker 3: And then she got a bunch of Michael Jackson comments
20:28
Speaker 3: about that video.
20:29
Speaker 2: Did you kind of see it? Oh? No, she loves
20:33
Speaker 2: a little Michael jacksony.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think again, it's very twenty twenty to have
20:40
Speaker 1: your bad ideas brainstorm in public, in front of a
20:43
Speaker 1: camera and tweeting, which is what all of them did
20:46
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, and it's turned out very badly for them.
20:49
Speaker 1: So I would suggest maybe the brainstorms should happen behind
20:52
Speaker 1: closed doors. But I kind of want to hear them,
20:53
Speaker 1: so I guess I do want to hear them. Yeah,
20:55
Speaker 1: maybe I shouldn't say that, but our friend Sarah Isker
20:59
Speaker 1: has said in the past that transparency or lack of
21:03
Speaker 1: transparency is actually how America came to be born, because
21:05
Speaker 1: all of the people inside Independence Hall had those discussions freely,
21:10
Speaker 1: without a bunch of people like shooting down all of
21:12
Speaker 1: that bad ideas. And it's like, there's something to be
21:16
Speaker 1: said for doing some editing before you come out with
21:19
Speaker 1: expand the court, multi member districts, new states. But again,
21:25
Speaker 1: I know that those are for the right reasons, destroying
21:29
Speaker 1: every depocracy.
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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, it's amazing that none of her no bad
21:36
Speaker 3: ideas include things like don't give free sex changes to
21:40
Speaker 3: illegal immigrant criminals in prison.
21:44
Speaker 2: That wasn't on the list.
21:45
Speaker 1: But that's too hot too.
21:47
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, but create new states and add more Supreme
21:50
Speaker 3: Court justices, that's on the.
21:52
Speaker 2: No bad ideas. Those are already out there as their ideas.
21:56
Speaker 3: I don't even think that this is like something secretive
21:59
Speaker 3: or are weird. I think that those are the ideas
22:03
Speaker 3: that they're putting out very plainly.
22:06
Speaker 2: And I don't know this just don't know does that
22:10
Speaker 2: work for them?
22:11
Speaker 1: It just feels like a repeat, right, It's like mostly
22:13
Speaker 1: bad ideas that we're going to yell about, and then
22:16
Speaker 1: people are not connected to those ideas, nor do they
22:18
Speaker 1: want them. And then, as Grand Platner is trying to
22:21
Speaker 1: do in Maine, you tell everybody that the bad ideas
22:25
Speaker 1: that you guys definitely forced on the rest of us
22:27
Speaker 1: are a distraction from the things you actually want to
22:30
Speaker 1: be talking about. Yes, we're definitely distracting you with transports issues, right,
22:36
Speaker 1: instead of you having pushed them on us for a
22:38
Speaker 1: decade exactly. I just think it becomes hard for them
22:42
Speaker 1: to escape these terrible ideas when they're broadcasting them so enthusiastically.
22:49
Speaker 3: Very enthusiastically. Side note on Platner, did you see that
22:52
Speaker 3: he said that Susan Collins sent him to Iraq and
22:56
Speaker 3: then it turned out he signed up for the military
23:00
Speaker 3: years after she voted for Iraq?
23:03
Speaker 2: Or think he's going to get held to that.
23:06
Speaker 1: Or well in the tweets I was seeing no one
23:09
Speaker 1: was pointing it out. Thank goodness for community notes. Also,
23:13
Speaker 1: I think many many service members and marines would take
23:18
Speaker 1: issue with the idea of Marines without agency. When you
23:23
Speaker 1: sign up as a marine, not only after someone has voted, yeah,
23:27
Speaker 1: you authorize force in Iraq. But even if she hadn't
23:31
Speaker 1: you understand what you're signing up for. And that's part
23:33
Speaker 1: of the bravery and part of the honor of doing it.
23:37
Speaker 1: So this thing where he's like she sent me, I
23:40
Speaker 1: think is not reflective of how a lot of people
23:43
Speaker 1: in the armed forces think about this, even those who
23:47
Speaker 1: disagree with various missions.
23:48
Speaker 3: Sure, I mean, the fact is, if you sign up,
23:52
Speaker 3: you have a chance of being central war that you
23:54
Speaker 3: don't agree with. I mean, I think that's the reality
23:58
Speaker 3: of military service. That's why you're serving. It's it is
24:03
Speaker 3: a service.
24:05
Speaker 2: Yeah. I like the community, you know, that's a plus
24:08
Speaker 2: of our online time.
24:11
Speaker 3: All right, let's take a short break and come back
24:13
Speaker 3: with just like one more lighter topic for.
24:16
Speaker 2: The gang to listen to. Be right back.
24:22
Speaker 3: We are back on normally where there was a very
24:25
Speaker 3: interesting Wall Street Journal piece recently about the home record
24:29
Speaker 3: lawsuits rocking North Carolina. And as I opened this piece
24:33
Speaker 3: because I love stuff like this, I love reading about
24:35
Speaker 3: stuff like this, it was a face that I recognized,
24:39
Speaker 3: and that was weird. It was former Arizona Senator Kirsten Cinema,
24:44
Speaker 3: and she apparently had had an affair with a married
24:47
Speaker 3: man whose wife is now suing her.
24:51
Speaker 2: I don't know what do you think about this?
24:53
Speaker 1: First of all, yes, I was confused because she's not
24:56
Speaker 1: generally associated with North Carolina, and I was trying to
24:58
Speaker 1: yellow what's going on here. I'm generally sort of friendly
25:02
Speaker 1: towards cinema. Obviously, her conduct here not great. But I
25:06
Speaker 1: like her for having saved the filibuster from her crazy
25:08
Speaker 1: Democratic colleagues. And I liked her for the crazy clothes
25:11
Speaker 1: that she wore when she was a senator on the Hill,
25:14
Speaker 1: and appreciated that while she was getting stalked by all
25:16
Speaker 1: sorts of lefties into bathrooms to protest her behavior, she
25:20
Speaker 1: stood strong. So there's that on cinema. But I don't
25:23
Speaker 1: know that making cheating actionable in court is something we
25:30
Speaker 1: want to do. I haven't thought deeply about this. It
25:33
Speaker 1: seems like it could cause problems.
25:35
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm extremely anti cheating and find it to be
25:41
Speaker 3: just abhorrent. I actually think there should be more punishment
25:44
Speaker 3: for cheating in divorces.
25:46
Speaker 1: But it's actually appalling how little that matters proceed.
25:51
Speaker 2: It does not matter at all.
25:52
Speaker 3: Like you're the lawyer divorce laur will tell the couple,
25:56
Speaker 3: I'll tell you know, the aggrieved party, like, don't even
25:59
Speaker 3: talk about this makes no difference. But I don't know
26:03
Speaker 3: why the third party should get the lawsuit. I think
26:07
Speaker 3: that it should be again punishment about for the person
26:11
Speaker 3: who made the.
26:11
Speaker 1: Vow, Like, I'm quite certain you knew you were married, right, right, you.
26:15
Speaker 2: Were aware of that fact.
26:18
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't see why the third party should be
26:22
Speaker 3: held accountable here when they were not party to the
26:25
Speaker 3: agreement in the first place.
26:28
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm not into it. I'm not into the home.
26:31
Speaker 1: Is this a civil proceeding, I assume is it in
26:34
Speaker 1: family court? It's hmmm, that's a good question, just as
26:39
Speaker 1: a It also seems a little bit iffy to be
26:42
Speaker 1: loading up any court docket with uh these kinds of Yeah,
26:49
Speaker 1: I think could be solved outside of court or mediated
26:52
Speaker 1: at least outside of court because but especially in family court,
26:55
Speaker 1: those dockets are so full anyway, right, you're going to
26:58
Speaker 1: add this to it. I don't know there's a resources issue.
27:03
Speaker 2: I you know, I can't see where it is.
27:06
Speaker 3: I can tell you that the new Mexico Supreme Court
27:09
Speaker 3: banished these lawsuits, but.
27:12
Speaker 2: I don't know what the.
27:14
Speaker 1: I mean it would have to be a civil instead
27:16
Speaker 1: of obviously, but I was wondering if it was family court.
27:18
Speaker 2: Right, I just you know this.
27:19
Speaker 3: I don't think that this Wallsha Journal article tells us
27:23
Speaker 3: what which kind of court it is.
27:24
Speaker 2: It just says court of law.
27:28
Speaker 1: No, it is a civil lawsuit seeking more than twenty
27:30
Speaker 1: five k in damages, and the state's rare alienation of
27:35
Speaker 1: affection law is what is at issue here.
27:40
Speaker 2: Right, But again, I don't you know it's.
27:43
Speaker 3: One of the trial lawyers in this piece says, take
27:45
Speaker 3: the classic case where you have a twenty eight year old,
27:48
Speaker 3: very attractive secretary who seduces a sixty.
27:50
Speaker 2: Five year old married man to get a better life.
27:53
Speaker 2: It is appropriate on those occasions where you have done
27:55
Speaker 2: harm to take action. No, it's not. The sixty five
27:58
Speaker 2: year old.
27:58
Speaker 3: Married man is fully aware that he has made a
28:02
Speaker 3: commitment to his spouse. The twenty eight year old, very
28:04
Speaker 3: attractive secretary is going to be stuck with a sixty
28:07
Speaker 3: five year old man.
28:07
Speaker 2: I think she's been punished enough.
28:11
Speaker 1: And not all appalling behavior needs to be having its
28:14
Speaker 1: tack court right, right.
28:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, we could just quite laugh at her like you
28:21
Speaker 2: could have been with a twenty eight year old Dufiz.
28:25
Speaker 1: It's a real thing, it really is.
28:28
Speaker 5: Well.
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