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Talks to Lucy McCaul about her choice of The Underwater Menace (1/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  I'm so drunk. Blunt penknife the Doctor Who
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  commentary podcast. I'm here today with a dear
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  friend of mine. The wonderful, Lucy McCall, say
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  Hello Lucy. Hello how are you doing?
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  I'm all right. Kelly, you all day at work.
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  While I'm talking about dr. Of you.
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  So I'm delighted and Lucy. I've got something to I need to
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  talk to you about. Okay?
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  How many times would you imagine?
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  Now you have armed that Brigadier GIF and fired.
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  Ma Direction, several. I'm starting to figure out the
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  made a lot of their hands to family.
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  Absolutely. Why not alone?
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  That and can I just say I'll just don't need to fry
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  complement your way now because your your commentary on my
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  commentaries on Twitter brightens my day, every time I
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  see you. Well, happy to oblige oh no, I
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  love it. I just love that anyone in cages
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  with this at all. I think it is wonderful.
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  Sure. You put a good bit of thought
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  you, listen, and you respond to a lot of the stuff that people
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  are saying. So, thank you.
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  Why? I appreciate that.
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  And, and every time I see that Bloody Brigadier face are
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  consider that a win. All right?
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  I'm sure there'll be plenty more to come.
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  I have. Absolutely.
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  No. You, but you have, you noticed,
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  I have any of these things. You listen to.
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  But now everyone started referring to you guys.
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  Oh no, that's it. Lucy's going out with it.
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  Sprays, it does it. So I does it.
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  You making a name for yourself? You know, who any way that you
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  chose this story? All right, you're responsible
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  for this completely. Why don't you tell everyone
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  we'll go to watched lay, okay? Well, wherever we are, it's
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  definitely not cool. So in fact, it's Atlantis and we
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  are going to watch the underwater Menace I superb
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  Choice. Have you re-watched it in its
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  Elite up for this? Yes.
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  I did. You where did your enjoyment
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  Factor fall between one? I don't know.
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  I do like it. I really like it.
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  I would say it's partly because I think part of it is genuinely
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  good and partly because B of it, genuinely not perhaps quite as
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  quite, don't quite land, perhaps where they were aiming but I
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  think it's very entertaining and Um, the the characters and the
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  designs, particularly the sort of the development of characters
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  from the regulars. He's really good.
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  Yeah, the regulars are gonna see what a hot Bunch.
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  Honestly, you have to keep me under control with this one.
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  Just what I think with this one or I can put my finger on it
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  with this one. If you ever met a person that
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  you just couldn't figure out like we like like you just like
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  II. Usually I'm pretty a good judge
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  of character and sometimes I meet people that are so behave.
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  So erratically or unpredictable and I just can't figure out that
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  but that's how I feel about the underwater minute.
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  I think it starts off as like a normal doctor Adventure off on a
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  bit of a jolly and then it's like this kind of weird
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  scientific trip in episode 2, where we're talking about what's
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  going to occur ever. So free trips into like this mad
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  sort of Comedy farce, hmm, episode 4, so tragedy.
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  Hmm. I mean what would I even for
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  hate you imagine? I don't know.
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  Doping they do. I ever know it sounds bizarre
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  thing? And you obviously this is the
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  earliest trout and that you can see as like a full episode.
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  I have no clue what you think about.
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  Patrick troughton as the doctor. So enlighten me, I like him.
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  I like him a lot. Is the doctor I like that.
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  He is a complete contrast to Hartnell in that instead of
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  being sort of, I mean, Hartley's playful as PSI.
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  Same with side, was it about? I'll have sort of how, how
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  Smiley he was, and how he that people didn't remember that, but
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  in, but trout, and he's like a naughty Schoolboy from a 1940s
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  School Story. You know, with all these crumbs
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  and golly, gum drops and eons and all the rest of it, it's
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  just the sort of Billy bunter style and the fact that the
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  clothes are at the beginning. Anyway, sort of slightly too big
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  for him and and I think that sort of mischievousness that
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  playfulness contrast really well with went.
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  So when he serious, you know, it serious.
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  Yeah, I mean, he's doctor isn't isn't sort of locking about me.
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  Latter-Day told Baker, isn't it? Where is Takin the piss a lot.
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  And then definitely seriously like, oh my God, this is really
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  serious. Yeah, but I also like how how
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  sort of frustrated he gets with things in a sort of Step
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  slightly similar to date with some, but not, not quite
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  similar. And I love the obvious
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  affection. He has for his companions that
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  he clearly wasn't, doesn't he? Yeah, that's that's several
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  moments in this reunited with his companions.
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  Yes. I just think chemistry in
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  general I think. Oh yeah, the people they all
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  come up with a fish fish masks. Yes.
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  I'm on the old. That is really funny.
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  You know what else about him as well?
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  I love is. He's not afraid to be a phrase,
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  I don't know. Doctors don't like showing fear
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  and he's always like, oh my God, like I really love that.
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  Yeah it's a sort of vulnerability about and then at
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  the end he usually got pulls the rug out.
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  The most amazing way. Yeah.
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  There's a couple of moments in this as well where he's like
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  he's sort of being playful but that and then he suddenly said
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  something quite serious. I think Robert Schumann says it
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  in the special features on this, for sure.
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  I watched earlier today, we're like he's experimenting with the
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  role in the first saw two or three stories and trying to
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  figure out where to land with it and he's very comical in like
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  the Highlanders. And he tries it here and then
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  I'm Fortunately, he comes up against Joseph first, and
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  there's no way on Earth. He's got a top.
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  Just so as a result he brings it down.
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  Hmm. And and that's what he lands on.
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  Isn't it after this in the moon base?
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  And yeah, yeah. Actually he can be quite serious
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  and yeah, under play, but, you know, because he's so playful
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  the rest of the time like, oh, the beginning of what is it?
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  The enemy of the world where they end up on the beach is just
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  running into the sea with me. That's exactly what I do you
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  know, slick because because of the playfulness, it makes more
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  of a contrast with the seriousness.
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  Well, they say I would love nothing more than to take your
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  hand and it to Atlantis. Like should we do it?
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  Let's do it. Okay, well, I'll see what I
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  mean. You can't be in then.
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  Okay, in five four, three, two, one.
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  And is it actually determine where Atlantis is?
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  No, he talks about. There's there's talk of an
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  extinct volcano and then something to do with the sort of
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  rock, because police is over in Cornwall, and he said, the
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  doctor says, oh no, not this. Not this rock.
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  That won't be in cool. And in the time monster, they
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  settled. They told me like a Greek
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  island. Don't they understand that?
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  They say it's somewhere around group.
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  Yet the costumes are very kind of Like the pots that were found
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  at from all sorts of places like that, aren't they say, okay, so
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  here we go. Intro, Tardis scene with the
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  fabulous stovepipe hat. Yes.
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  Which didn't last very long, did it.
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  What was that thing? You always.
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  I would like a hat like that, that you don't waste was going
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  saying. And I think one of the things
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  about this, the possibly obviously we're watching the
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  Telly snaps, we're not watching action.
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  Lay it over. You look.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  It is that the trout and Adventures in particular follow,
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  very hard on the heels of each other, don't they?
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  Yes. So really what you've got at.
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  The beginning here is a continuation of what happened
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  before. So if you landed on this story,
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  obviously, everybody's in the land on this story, having not
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  seen the Highlanders because it doesn't exist and you're kind of
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  okay. Well what's the Dottie, its kind
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  of the the dynamic between the doctor and Jamie and Ben and
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  Polly is Of in flux, but you haven't seen the beginning of
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  it. I mean, Jamie's not in the
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  highlands very much. I don't know if you've heard it
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  recently. He does not win it all.
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  Pops up at the end. They all right, you coming with
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  us, then off. They go.
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  So they've got, they've got through this thing with Jamie
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  ever met, initially of, like everything.
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  Like, you know, what's that flying Beastie?
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  And all of this, yes, for a few stories and then they just drop
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  it. It's like, I know we've, yay,
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  they're at this point. This point where he's clearly
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  just like he, he Holmes much more modern for want of a better
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  word and of course, he's clothes change as well.
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  So the Tardis can magically fit him out.
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  In Polo neck, jumpers, and, and smaller Kilts.
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  And that polar, they're gone. I particularly like in the ice
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  Warriors, one where he's wearing, where Victoria and the
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  doctors. The doctors got his big coat and
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  Victoria's got a cloak and Jamie's got an anorak over it,
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  and then kill Laughter off like sitting.
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  The my brother always wearing that very tight top.
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  What he's climbing up the Rocks, remember that?
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  Yeah, that's a look. I'm telling you it during the
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  hardest, right? That a very bizarre thing
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  happened. Just saying they go from
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  character to character. Yeah.
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  And we're here was in their heads.
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  Yes, what's that? I don't know.
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  But I suppose it's just a thing that doesn't really happen in
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  television these days. Because he eats eats it sort of
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  quite a cartoony thing. Isn't it on?
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  The only time I can think of it happening is presumably.
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  It happened in that 60s, Teddy, but from cartoons, lots of
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  Scooby-Doo and stuff where you get.
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  Sometimes you'd have a sort of almost visible thinks bubble
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  above the head of the character and they'd be musing on
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  something. I guess it's like that.
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  The only other time I can think of it and Doctor Who is in the
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  mine rubber when he's having that battle with as hard as he
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  goes. No, I will fight.
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  I will fight for that's it. That's the only other time I
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  think about this. Would you say grunting?
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  I know, sometimes, you know when people fight and stuff
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  subtitles, just go. All right, but you know what?
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  Trowel and thinks when it goes to, Here We Go.
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  Whoo. Whoo.
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  Prehistoric monsters or something.
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  He's up for The Adventurous. Absolutely.
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  There. That's or shawl around her.
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  I think we are. So they're all that she and
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  obviously Jamie and she are in there.
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  They're Highlanders outfits too, which is why the doctor still
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  has the Hat. I'm beIN, he's back in.
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  He's that he's currently is where it been.
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  I think he's like as kind of not a pea-jacket the, yeah, it's a
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  short jacket with butter with the shiny buttons in it.
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  Yeah. Would you know where this was
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  filmed? It take told you it was filmed
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  in in December. So it's very cold and I'm going
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  to ask you a question now. How could your Doctor Who trivia
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  is? Hey, can you tell me the other
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  story that was filmed in this location?
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  No. OK.
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  I mean it is a quarry so you can see ya by the sea is Destiny of
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  the Daleks, I really? Yeah, because there's the
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  opening to the cave and is identical.
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  All right? Alex.
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  Yeah. So there you go.
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  That's your, that's your piece of trivia from me the story, but
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  this whole opening. Hmm.
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  This feels like, I mean, we go off into very undoctored Hui
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  type Adventure when we go underground.
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  It's all very kind of normal at this point.
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  Isn't it exploring the location? Yeah, but surely yeah.
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  And although I mean, she says it's Cornwall and the doctor
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  says it isn't. He hasn't said that it isn't
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  Earth. That is true.
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  So, presumably, I mean it at this point we're thinking well,
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  he says it's not Cornwall because the rock is rolling.
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  The, that could be an extinct volcano, but but we could still
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  be on earth so we don't know. We still don't really know
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  exactly where they are. You're lucky, you got to think,
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  like, visually I know this one overspend.
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  It is quite ambitious. What?
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  They're trying to do. They've got gorgeous you, what?
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  We're trying to suggest. It's somewhere in Greece or
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  something like that. Yes, and you've got like caves
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  here. Then you go underground and
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  there's some pretty impressive, like the altar.
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  Yeah, the market or the market does look a bit cheap.
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  Actually the other things? Yes.
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  Don't ask. Where the drugs came from, I
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  think that was bothering me. That's where did they get the
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  Sheep to make? That never mind.
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  But I wonder if I mean, I don't have problem with watching
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  programs that were recorded in black and white in black and
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  white. That's absolutely fine.
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  I'll I wonder if this one has atmosphere black and white.
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  Yeah, it does. But I just wonder if this one
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  might what it would look like in color.
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  Oh bold. Like I think it's completely
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  wild probably. Well I think there are color
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  snaps aren't there of like the fish people?
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  I think I've seen one of a fish person.
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  Yeah, but just just the whole sort of because you can tell
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  from the temple and the high priest outfits and everything
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  that it must have looked completely wild.
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  It's the sort of story. Colin Baker would walk into in
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  the 80s, isn't it? No.
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  And blending completely Hey, be fine here.
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  Thanks to Joseph first. Can you imagine Sarah?
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  I thought, you know, I'll say, I can't wait till we get to their
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  own. This is the best.
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  Okay? So here this strange figure
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  appears in Lego. Did it go get tied up and put in
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  a lie. So, so, poorly gets Paulie gets
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  grabbed and screams and Ben, and Jamie.
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  And the doctor go to her rescue. And then Ben says, you cock, as
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  we get, this is one of the problems is that we can't see
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  where they've been and Jamie are speaking to from Ben, says
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  something about get us out of this contraption and pulleys is,
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  I can't, they've tied me up where we can see that because
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  she's got her arms behind her if she's standing.
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  It's the walk but we can't see what strapping been and Jamie.
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  Yeah, unless unless the door closed at that point, I don't
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  know, but I got a bit as much as like, I I am grateful, we got
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  the Telly snaps and the first With the soundtrack on there.
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  The second episode 2 style and the picture started moving
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  again. Yeah, it's very relieved.
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  Yeah. Yeah, it's just that its own.
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  I don't really mind Telly steps but it's sometimes it's
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  difficult to gauge what's actually going on.
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  Well it's very interesting angle that yes, don't get the
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  complexity of the performances as well.
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  I do especially with someone like Troutman where it's all in.
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  Yes, you know, what will the physical complexity of his?
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  That's a lovely. I think there's some A really
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  nice Direction in this from Julia.
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  Smyth mmm. That's some like like like that.
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  And in a minute, there's a scene where they're all tied at like,
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  like shocked. Yeah.
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  The sacrifice. Yeah, he quite striking.
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  Yeah. Oops.
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  But this part we still have no sort of clue.
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  What kind of a story. This is where we're heading.
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  No. Not in our wildest imaginations.
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  No well here it is. No, but then we've got another
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  bit of been talking about saying to Jamie, oh you've got a touch
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  of the submariners mean. He's got the bends or these he
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  is going or something like that. So that's another sort of
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  painful to see the baby. Yes.
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  Yes. And potentially very nasty but
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  that so that's um, Yeah, and then there's been making an
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  off-color joke about Jaime wearing a kilt.
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  This is the 60s. Remember is the 60s?
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  Yes. What is that?
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  You said earlier about Polly, you know, needing them to rescue
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  this. A bit of that in this, I do
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  because Polly stars in Doctor Who We strong in the wall.
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  Yeah, I think it's partly like 33 companion syndrome, because
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  you've got been in Jamie who are both young men and therefore
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  sent down the mines. But Sent together.
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  So then you've got those two doing, the same thing, you've
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  got the doctor off there, and then you've got Polly as well.
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  And so they, she should have its pushed pushed into the kind of
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  screaming and needing rescuing part almost by default.
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  I think sometimes, it depends on the writer as well.
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  Because I in the Moon Bay, she gets those fabulous scenes where
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  she makes the poly cocktail and takes 15 min.
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  Yeah. And I think Joe she says in the
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  special features Jerry He Davis and keep Peddler, love writing
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  Polly as a strong character and maybe Jeffrey on came in.
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  And just was like, oh, well it's the girl, you know, because
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  there's a scene in episode 4, where she's way leaner, Ed off
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  and square. And I, yeah, I wasn't quite sure
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  what happened, but she screaming he does something, and she goes,
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  oh, I'm glad you did that or something like that.
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  And I'm like, what happened there.
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  Yeah, very women and children. Lost is the doctor at the
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  Titanic. These loads of that, isn't
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  there? There's kind of, you know, like
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  to run where he says, there's just one thing.
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  What's that? I wonder if we can swim or
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  something similar? There's ghosts are awesome zingy
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  one-liners. Do this fabulous, just from
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  Zara, but I mean everything that comes out of their office mouth
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  as price but that the interaction between the doctor
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  and been is particularly delightful in the last in
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  episode 34 just fabulous. Will you indulge me in a few?
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  He's our of quotes later when he comes, of course.
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  Because I just love it. There's not a one line, he says
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  naturalistically, you know, no, not till he's, the gift that I
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  don't know because I've seen him in, I haven't seen the only
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  other thing. I have knowingly seen him in is
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  an episode of maigret, the 1960s series of migrate, which I
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  absolutely love and he's performance in that he's still,
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  he had his slight German accent, but was much more naturalistic
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  and pity. So he's deliberately chewing the
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  scenery in this. I saw him in a Bond film, right?
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  He's one of the henchmen like her, the scientist henchmen in a
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  one of the Bond films and as soon as I saw him, I went mad
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  this film is going to get good. Now Zaroff just turned up and he
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  was so naturalistic I'm like, oh, he's so he's brief Wars in
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  this to the scenery, basically by William Shatner, couldn't do
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  it better. I'm dead.
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  But you know, actually I wanted to say because by all accounts,
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  trousers and was a bit of a quirky character and he was into
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  sort of Atlantis and all this sort of stuff and he was really
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  excited when he heard they were going to do, I think it was
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  called under the water and it's really right.
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  And then he got the script. Apparently, he was fuming, like
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  he said, this is a turkey, you know.
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  And because it was so early in his rum he was like, I don't
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  need this. I'm trying to Obvious myself in
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  this bra, I don't need good material, but you know what?
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  I'll see it is performance. No, not at all.
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  These still professional, he's still making it work and he's
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  got some pretty quirky scenes in this.
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  I'm okay, don't be worried blows the pixie dust is our office
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  space from so, what'd you think about the design?
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  There's lots of design things with the app, but what about you
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  Fabulous? High priests there.
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  The headdress is just extraordinary.
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  It looks like it would look out of a put out of place at a rave.
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  Would it look Circa 1990? Not that, I went to any, of
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  course, or t Square for that, but in about nineteen night,
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  sort of 1994 ish you'd expect. Like, this is what I like I
• 21:27
  said, we don't know. I don't know what color it was,
• 21:29
  but it looks as if it ought to glow in the dark.
• 21:32
  Yeah, like fluorescent yellow. This fellow Ramo is that Ram?
• 21:38
  Oh, yes. He could such a dignified
• 21:41
  performance with that costume on, I know, right.
• 21:44
  That's acting Lucy. I'm home yet.
• 21:46
  No, it really is. It's incredible.
• 21:49
  Yeah, but then the other fella Lowell.
• 21:53
  Mm, the high priest. You think he contends for the
• 21:59
  campus character in Doctor Who of all time must be out this
• 22:03
  short. O mighty-armed, do you know, At
• 22:09
  the way he's dressed and what he's been asked to do clearly.
• 22:12
  They're all doing what they were.
• 22:14
  They were requested. Do you know what I mean?
• 22:16
  Are the sort of his size? I'd be like look, and you cover
• 22:19
  me up a bit, but exactly in these ropes, he gets a cloak a
• 22:22
  time. Yeah, you know.
• 22:25
  Okay. Here's your second quiz
• 22:26
  question. Do you know what other Doctor
• 22:28
  Who story? They actually played Lola was in
• 22:31
  know, he was in the celestial toymaker as the Billy bunter
• 22:35
  capture an episode for right? Yes, I've seen.
• 22:39
  Now, what have I seen? I've seen a bit of that, I think
• 22:42
  there was, I think there's an episode of it on brick box that
• 22:45
  I watched. Yeah, you lost the last episode
• 22:48
  because this dude, don't know. Just moving the things around
• 22:50
  with his mind and it's the one that goes, if you step up the
• 22:53
  square, you'll be electrocuted and you'll be killed.
• 22:57
  He's just as camp in that, I'm gonna.
• 22:58
  Yeah, it's great. But you know it's like how they
• 23:04
  made the effort they put, like, cave paintings on them at walls
• 23:08
  and like, They've given all the different, like, the women shell
• 23:12
  costumes, and she soon as a bit of effort, it might be a bit
• 23:15
  silly know, it's true. And this is why I want to see
• 23:18
  what it looked like, because I bet it looked absolutely wild.
• 23:21
  And then this, the music as well, which of course we can't
• 23:23
  hear. She is a hell of a score on, to
• 23:27
  me, Azusa. Go go.
• 23:35
  Then when, when it's like, we were saying when we did access
• 23:38
  all that time ago, when Tell you, you got to write Temple
• 23:41
  music for for an underwater Kingdom.
• 23:44
  Why not go for it? Go for it.
• 23:46
  Well people do you know what I mean?
• 23:48
  This story which clearly is has a clanger but it's clearly not
• 23:54
  Prestige Doctor, Who Shiro? It's not Genesis of the Daleks
• 23:57
  okay to install, you know, that stuff or serious drama.
• 24:01
  You have. Just got to go for Avenue and
• 24:02
  this song. Go Wild.
• 24:05
  That's what I say. Blowing kazoo.
• 24:09
  And enter calling Givens. Oh, yes, that wasn't easy.
• 24:14
  Famous for like a period dramas around this time.
• 24:17
  Probably, he was, I look him up because I thought, oh goodness.
• 24:21
  He must have been really young. And actually, he's, he was older
• 24:25
  than I thought he would because he was born for early on in the
• 24:29
  century that made no sense. But, you know, I mean, he was
• 24:32
  older than I was expecting to be because for me, he's inspector
• 24:36
  lestrade in the Jeremy, Brett Sherlock Holmes.
• 24:41
  No, he's not. Yeah, I fucking love those Jerry
• 24:45
  B. I don't know ideas, that that
• 24:48
  program for me is like perfect. Casting, Jeremy, Brett, it would
• 24:54
  hold week. Joel's gray is Mycroft.
• 24:57
  Was it was there too Watson's in that?
• 25:00
  Yes, David Burke was the first Watson and he was a little bit
• 25:04
  more like the sort of, Nigel Bruce model, the sort of
• 25:07
  slightly bumbling and they would hire you as a story about that,
• 25:10
  right? It goes.
• 25:10
  Yes he does. I guess hilarious.
• 25:12
  You know, because Jeremy Brett goes, you know, Watson, you know
• 25:15
  it's all about observational, observe everything and then it
• 25:19
  changes actor between scenes and does he even know?
• 25:22
  It is no angel, but was the second one and a half.
• 25:26
  Now we have vital secret will die with me.
• 25:28
  Dr. W well who's dr. W Lucy.
• 25:33
  We get a pump that beehive. It's only in this period.
• 25:37
  Is that unless there's dr. Vaughn were in The Highlanders
• 25:42
  and then obviously vote and says, who is required?
• 25:47
  Yeah, but then in the demons, there's the great wizard isn't
• 25:51
  there. Qui Qui called what?
• 25:53
  Yes. Yes, whoo-hoo-hoo always he
• 25:58
  really had. He's got the number plate.
• 26:00
  Who won? Yes.
• 26:02
  Well there we go. If Barry Letts says it then is
• 26:07
  oh my god. Look who's here.
• 26:09
  Look who's here series? Oh no!
• 26:12
  Was he saying Look his face. Honestly, this story stoicism
• 26:19
  for you. So, yes, Joseph.
• 26:23
  First here in his first appearance as the resplendent
• 26:27
  Professor. Sarah.
• 26:29
  You know, I've got a feeling that he's a reason.
• 26:30
  Why people don't like this story.
• 26:32
  It is a very, very, very performance, isn't it?
• 26:37
  But then again, as we stayed, he's capable of not.
• 26:43
  Eating the scenery and be. So somebody must have said to
• 26:47
  him, we want a mad scientist and he went for it.
• 26:51
  You can almost see the fear in trousers.
• 26:53
  I'll know, I've got one to play this.
• 26:54
  I can't stop him but he does. He undermines it?
• 26:59
  That's Yeah, you know, he does manage the right.
• 27:05
  Know what they say anything on after I thought we read any of
• 27:08
  the dialogue. So he's saying the doctors
• 27:10
  saying that he knew as soon as he saw the sort of Plankton food
• 27:14
  that it must be 0 and that he disappeared as he played his ego
• 27:19
  as well. So you know, the day that he
• 27:23
  disappeared, 20 years previously.
• 27:25
  And everybody thought he was he died or been kidnapped and
• 27:29
  actually he was Atlantis firstly, I still have to say the
• 27:33
  greatest scientists. You know time?
• 27:35
  Yeah, well then is our offices. So what's this vital secret?
• 27:40
  And the doctor of courses while there isn't one look, I can
• 27:45
  imagine Jeffrey all that, it's higher part, I like going, oh my
• 27:48
  God, this is gold. I like the put it all in
• 27:53
  apparently, actually when when the castles script and they were
• 27:57
  not amused, orm did not show his face like they, they weren't
• 28:01
  happy with it. No, no.
• 28:03
  Well but you know, What's interesting is obviously
• 28:06
  growing. William is era are the kind of
• 28:08
  leads into this sort of high camp at times as well and our
• 28:12
  portfolio season 20 other times as well.
• 28:15
  There's a bizarre acceptance and love of this kind of Doctor Who
• 28:21
  now is that? It's all massively entertaining.
• 28:24
  Over-the-top Doctor Who. Well there's days calling James
• 28:28
  with these unrecognizable behind those extraordinary eyebrows.
• 28:33
  Do you imagine there? But I found it They were Ridge.
• 28:35
  That's what I think. I don't know.
• 28:37
  I mean he's got a week as well by the looks of it so possibly,
• 28:41
  but we're coming up to the Cliffhanger last.
• 28:43
  I gotta ask you something and I want a female perspective on
• 28:45
  this. Is it a bit troubling that Polly
• 28:51
  is being held down by a bunch of men that are coming at her with
• 28:55
  a syringe threatening to do unspeakable things to her, as
• 29:01
  much as it is elsewhere in Doctor Who My issue with it, is
• 29:05
  how she plays it. Yeah, there's genuine sort of
• 29:09
  panic. And yeah, Brian she plays it
• 29:12
  really well as well that sort of that fear.
• 29:17
  It just feels, it feels a bit written a story.
• 29:19
  That's so cool. Make it feels.
• 29:21
  Yeah. Real moment of Jeopardy.
• 29:25
  Yes. How did you originally did that?
• 29:28
  Is that just the TV screen of the think?
• 29:30
  So yeah, it's hard to see. Presumably, they're moving on
• 29:34
  that the feet. The fish people would be moving
• 29:37
  on the screen. So I guess they just projected
• 29:39
  it or or it was totally screen. What's nice is is nice, but
• 29:44
  what's surprising is she It's off being like she's like, oh
• 29:48
  wow, you know, yeah, fish people are then she gets that Almighty
• 29:52
  line. Do you know what it is?
• 29:54
  You're not turning me into a fish.
• 29:57
  Was apparently used to take the Mickey out of all the times.
• 30:00
  I want to say I'm not surprised yes if she goes wide open as I
• 30:04
  live better than that until the tree won't hurt you in Mark of
• 30:07
  the Rani you know. Oh so sees west of the Azores on
• 30:13
  the Atlantic Ridge. Oh just said where It was, here
• 30:17
  we go. For those people that are taking
• 30:19
  note of precise locations. That's where Atlantis is.
• 30:23
  Well was he is yours? The Azores, are you look?
• 30:30
  Well, thank you very much. I think they're in the yeah
• 30:34
  they're in the Atlantic and You know, within your library right
• 30:40
  now we could literally just grab a book off the shelf, couldn't
• 30:42
  wait and have a look so you know, professors are off.
• 30:49
  Okay? Has promised to lift Atlantis
• 30:51
  out of the sea. Yes, I or an autonomous region
• 30:56
  of Portugal the Mid-Atlantic. No, what are you got here?
• 31:01
  Just over Portugal? Well, no, they are there and
• 31:05
  they had belonged to Portugal. So they drifted off.
• 31:09
  They pop. They are part of put their,
• 31:10
  their of Portuguese Colony. But are now an autonomous region
• 31:15
  and they have volcanoes so that was, there we go.
• 31:20
  Yeah. Sorry my question.
• 31:20
  There was a their office plan to lift.
• 31:23
  Atlantis. See, that's quite a bold claim.
• 31:28
  Yes. Do you think he's quite right in
• 31:33
  the head? No, my just have to and you
• 31:40
  think this is the sort of story where will you sort of study him
• 31:43
  psychologically and find out what makes him tick?
• 31:47
  Possibly what we do. Find out in the next episode,
• 31:50
  don't we? Well, what Y is gone?
• 31:53
  God. No, not while he's Gone Bananas.
• 31:56
  But what, what? Why he wants to do what he what
• 31:59
  he wants to do. I was a bit muddy on this.
• 32:01
  I'm hoping you can clarify it for me watching, you know, this
• 32:05
  Cliffhanger. I think this is really well
• 32:08
  stage because you kind of see it in the reprise.
• 32:11
  She's being held down and that's all very.
• 32:14
  And then the camera pans over and it's have massive close-up
• 32:17
  on the sort of screaming face of the fish person.
• 32:21
  It's pretty memorable. Do you?
• 32:22
  No. Yeah.
• 32:25
  Julia Smith. Where have I heard that name
• 32:26
  before? Oh, EastEnders.
• 32:30
  Possibly, I don't know. I don't know.
• 32:32
  I think she was instrumental in the conception.
• 32:37
  Wow, EastEnders. Yeah, that's starting.
• 32:40
  Well, Lucy, that we've reached the end of episode, one of the
• 32:44
  completely still - no, I forgot. So, it's alive.
• 32:52
  And what would you care to come with me now into the Realm of
• 32:55
  moving pictures. I think we better hadn't.
• 32:57
  We