Latest / The Internal Move Podcast with Fexingo: Lateral Roles, Internal Transfers, and Staying at Your Company / The Hidden Risk of Internal Job Hopping
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- Lucas: There is a specific kind of anxiety that comes with staying at a company too long, but there is an even more insidious one that comes from moving around too much internally. We talk a lot about the benefits of lateral moves, but I want to look at what happens when those moves stop adding up and start subtracting. It is what I call the lateral loop. Luna: Right, so instead of climbing, you are just running in place across different departments. Does this happen more in tech or is it universal? Lucas: It feels especially common in large tech organizations where internal transfer portals are heavily marketed as a benefit. You see profiles of people who have been at the same firm for five years but have held seven different titles. They look like they are constantly growing on paper, but their actual depth in any single domain is shallow. The problem is that by year four, they have no unique selling point left. Luna: That sounds like the opposite of the generalist advantage we discussed last month. They are becoming a mile wide and an inch deep. Lucas: Exactly. And the worst part is that the company often encourages it because they get fresh eyes on old problems without paying a premium for external hires. So the individual gets a sense of novelty, and the employer gets a low-cost rotation program. But the employee ends up with a resume that looks chaotic rather than strategic. Let me pause here to ask for your support. If these conversations about career navigation have helped you think through your own next move, consider buying us a coffee at buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. It keeps the research ad-free and helps us keep digging into these nuances. Thanks for listening. Luna: Appreciate it. Now back to the chaos of that resume. What does a hiring manager actually see when they look at that kind of history? Lucas: They see instability. Even if all the moves were voluntary and well-intentioned, a recruiter scanning a CV with six different teams in five years will assume the person cannot handle commitment or specialization. They might think the candidate was bounced between teams due to performance issues, even if that is not true. The signal gets lost in the noise of the transitions. Luna: So the narrative never gets a chance to form. You are always in the middle of a story, never finishing a chapter. Lucas: Precisely. Stories require resolution. A lateral loop provides constant beginnings but no endings. Without a completed arc, you cannot demonstrate mastery or the consequences of leadership. You just demonstrate adaptability, which is nice, but it is rarely the primary trait hired for senior roles. Senior roles demand deep contextual knowledge that takes years to build. Luna: But isn't adaptability the most valuable skill right now given how fast industries are changing? Why would companies punish that? Lucas: Adaptability is valuable, but only up to a point. Once you reach a certain level, the expectation shifts from can you learn new things to do you know the fundamental mechanics of this specific domain inside out. You cannot be the go-to expert for a complex financial product if you have only touched it for six months every other year. The market rewards depth at the top, not breadth at the bottom. Luna: So the trick is knowing when to stop rotating and dig in. How do you identify that threshold? Lucas: You have to look at the marginal gain of each move. If the first lateral move gives you twenty percent new knowledge, the second might give you fifteen, and the third only five. When the new knowledge drops below a certain baseline, you are just refreshing your network, not your skills. That is the danger zone. You should stay put until the learning curve flattens completely before jumping again. Luna: That makes sense. It is basically treating your career like a portfolio. You don't rebalance every week. Lucas: Spot on. You hold assets until they mature. In careers, that maturity period is usually eighteen to twenty-four months minimum in a role. Anything less is just a trial period. If you leave before that window closes, you haven't really tested the waters. You have just skimmed the surface. Most people underestimate how long it takes to go from competent to indispensable. Luna: Indispensable is a high bar. Do most companies even reward that level of tenure anymore? Lucas: Some do, some don't. But the market definitely does. When you eventually look for a role outside your current company, the external market values the depth you built internally. Internal promotions often cap out because you hit the ceiling of that specific organizational structure. External moves allow you to monetize that depth at a higher price point. But you need the depth to command that price. Luna: So the lateral loop doesn't just hurt your internal prospects, it devalues your external market worth. Lucas: It absolutely does. It creates a perception risk. Headhunters prefer candidates with clear trajectories. A zigzag pattern raises red flags about focus and judgment. It suggests the person might jump ship externally for the same reason they jumped internally: chasing novelty rather than value. That is a liability for a senior hire. Luna: I can see why recruiters would be wary. It feels like a lack of discipline. Is there a way to frame these moves positively if they already happened? Lucas: Yes, but it requires careful storytelling. You have to group the experiences. Instead of listing them as separate jobs, you present them as a cohesive period of cross-functional development. You explain that you were intentionally building a broad skill set to prepare for a specific type of leadership role. It changes the narrative from scattered to strategic. But you have to be honest about why you stopped rotating once you reached that goal. Luna: So you use the past chaos to justify a future stability. That is a smart pivot in itself. Lucas: It is. And it works best when you have a concrete project or outcome to point to from that period. Did you launch something? Did you fix a broken process? You need evidence that the rotations led to tangible results, not just exposure. Otherwise, it is just buzzwords. Luna: Buzzwords are the enemy of credibility. What about the company side? Why do they encourage this if it hurts the individuals? Lucas: Because it reduces turnover risk. People who feel stuck leave. People who feel bored leave. Rotations keep both feelings at bay temporarily. It is a retention tool disguised as development. The company gets to keep the talent while spreading institutional knowledge across silos. It is a win for the organization, even if it is a net negative for the individual's long-term brand equity. Luna: So it is a transactional relationship. They get your energy and fresh perspective; you get a break from boredom. But you pay for it later. Lucas: You pay for it in clarity. You lose the ability to tell a simple, compelling career story. And in a crowded job market, simplicity wins. Recruiters spend ten seconds on a resume. If they have to piece together your logic, you have already lost. You want them to nod and move on, not squint and question. Luna: Ten seconds is brutal. So the takeaway is to be intentional about the duration of each role, not just the title change. Lucas: Duration is key. Commitment signals reliability. If you stay for two years, you show you can endure the hard parts of a job. If you leave after nine months, you signal that you bail when things get difficult. That is a character judgment, not just a skills assessment. And character judgments stick. Luna: Endurance is underrated. We glorify the quick pivot but rarely praise the steady hand. Lucas: Steady hands run the world. The volatile movers just attend the meetings. There is a quiet power in being the person who knows everything about the legacy system because they have lived with it for five years. That is irreplaceable. Novelty is replaceable. Depth is not. Luna: So how do you balance the desire for growth with the need for depth? It feels like a tightrope walk. Lucas: You achieve depth first, then seek breadth. Master one thing, then branch out. Never the reverse. Branching out without a master skill leaves you with a collection of hobbies rather than a profession. Hobbies are fun, but they do not pay the bills at the executive level. Professions do. Luna: Master one thing first. That is a solid rule of thumb. It prevents the superficiality trap. Lucas: It does. And it gives you a foundation to stand on when you do take that next step. You are not starting from zero; you are starting from a base of competence. That accelerates your learning curve significantly. You are not learning how to swim; you are learning to dive. Luna: I like that analogy. Diving requires a platform. Swimming alone is just survival. Lucas: Exactly. Survival is fine for entry level. But as you advance, you are expected to perform feats, not just stay afloat. The lateral loop keeps you treading water. It looks active, but you are not going anywhere. It is important to recognize the difference between movement and progress. Luna: Movement is physical. Progress is directional. Most people confuse the two because movement feels good. Lucas: It feels productive. You get a new desk, a new team, a new badge. It triggers a dopamine hit. But if that hit does not come with a skill upgrade, it is just entertainment. You are playing a corporate game that has no scorecard. And eventually, the game ends, and you are still at the same level you started. Luna: That is a sobering thought. The dopamine hit is real, but the ROI is zero. How do you resist that urge? Lucas: By setting explicit criteria for your next move. Before you apply for an internal transfer, write down what you will gain. If the answer is just 'variety', do not make the move. Variety is a luxury, not a strategy. Demand a specific skill acquisition, a new responsibility, or a mentorship opportunity. If those are not on the table, stay put and find ways to innovate within your current role. Luna: Innovate within the current role. That requires creativity, which is harder than changing seats. Lucas: It is much harder. Changing seats is easy. Creating value in a stagnant environment is work. But that work builds the muscle that employers pay for. It builds resilience and ingenuity. Those are the traits that survive economic downturns. Job hoppers often struggle in downturns because they lack the deep roots to weather the storm. Luna: Deep roots anchor you. Shallow roots blow away. It is a biological metaphor applied to careers. Lucas: It is. And trees grow taller by extending roots deeper, not by shifting soil every season. Your career is the same. Extend your roots. Go deep. The height will follow naturally. Forced lateral moves stunt your vertical growth. They keep you short and bushy instead of tall and strong. Luna: So the next time someone offers a shiny new internal role, the question is not 'what is it?' but 'how deep does it go?' Lucas: Precisely. Look for the depth. Look for the long tail of impact. If the role feels like a reset button, be cautious. If it feels like an extension of your current expertise, pursue it. You are building a legacy, not a highlight reel. Legacy takes time. Highlight reels are fast food. Luna: Fast food tastes good in the moment, but it doesn't fuel you for the marathon. It is a tempting comparison. Lucas: It is. And we are all tempted. We all want the novelty. But the most successful careers are defined by what they refused to abandon. They refused to chase every shiny object. They stayed focused on the core competency. That discipline is what separates the experts from the amateurs. Luna: Discipline over novelty. It is a counter-cultural message in a world that celebrates the hustle and the pivot. Lucas: It is. But substance always beats style in the end. Style fades. Substance accumulates. The lateral loop is style. Depth is substance. Choose substance. It is the quieter path, but it leads to the destination. The flashy path leads to the treadmill. Luna: So we end on a note of quiet ambition. Build the depth, ignore the noise, and let the career unfold naturally. Lucas: Let it unfold. But guide it with intention. Do not drift. Drifting is passive. Intentional depth is active. Be the architect of your expertise, not the passenger of every trend. That is how you win the long game.