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Bonus Episode – True Crime Songs, Singer Songwriters, and the Worst Draft Pick in NBA History · DISGRACELAND

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Speaker 1: Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,
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Speaker 1: just to touch to get you through. Yeah, me too.
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Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome
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Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,
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Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party.
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Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after
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Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get you from one full
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Speaker 1: episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig
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Speaker 1: into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are talking
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Speaker 1: about this week's full episode subject Bruce Springsteen. We are
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Speaker 1: previewing next week's Frank Sinatra Part two finale. We get
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Speaker 1: into your voicemails, text dms, and as always, a whole
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Speaker 1: lot of rosie. All right, Discos, let's get into it.
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Speaker 2: So.
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Speaker 1: I didn't mean to feature two whopper episodes on New
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Speaker 1: Jersey musicians back to back in our feed, but that's
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Speaker 1: what happened. Bruce Springsteen is back at the top of
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Speaker 1: your feed this week in our Tuesday full episode slot,
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Speaker 1: and next week we have our brand new Part two
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Speaker 1: episode on Frank Sinatra. After that, of course, we have
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Speaker 1: our episodes on bon Jovi Frankie Valley in the four
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Speaker 1: seasons in Lifetime. No, I'm kidding. Our New Jersey exploration
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Speaker 1: stops next week with Sinatra Part two, no bon Jovi episode,
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Speaker 1: no Frankie Valley episode, and definitely no Lifetime episode, although
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Speaker 1: maybe maybe a bon Jovi, maybe a Frankie Valley one
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Speaker 1: in the future. But man, this is the point. Is
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Speaker 1: a lot of great bands from Tony Soprano's home turf.
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Speaker 1: Just Springsteen in Sinatra alone is kind of wild. And
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Speaker 1: I'm tempted to ask you guys, which state has given
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Speaker 1: us the greatest musicians, but we talked about of that
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Speaker 1: question recently. We also got down on the topic recently
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Speaker 1: on Instagram anyways, on which Springsteen album is the best,
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Speaker 1: which is an impossible question to answer. My answer, despite
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Speaker 1: the impossibility, as I said on Instagram, has changed wildly
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Speaker 1: throughout my years of Boss appreciation. But weirdly, I think
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Speaker 1: my answer is not Nebraska, the album that we feature
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Speaker 1: in this week's full episode Disgrace, but instead, I think
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Speaker 1: the answer to the question of what my favorite Bruce
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Speaker 1: Springsteen album is, I think it's the album that Nebraska
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Speaker 1: spawned in its wake, Born in the USA, an album
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Speaker 1: or at least a single and an era of Bruce
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Speaker 1: Springsteen anyway that I once despised as a kid. I
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Speaker 1: did not like Bruce Springsteen growing up. It actually took
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Speaker 1: Nebraska to get me into it, actually was. I think
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Speaker 1: it was the song The River, and shortly after that Nebraska.
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Speaker 1: But anyways, I don't want to ask that question here, okay.
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Speaker 1: Instead I want to talk about singer songwriters, because the
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Speaker 1: Boss is definitely that, and he's one of the greatest
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Speaker 1: singer songwriters. But is he the best? First? What do
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Speaker 1: I mean when I say singer songwriter? Sinatra was a
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Speaker 1: singer but not a songwriter, So Frank's out. Mick Jaggers
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Speaker 1: sings and writes songs, but he fronts a band that
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Speaker 1: he largely co leads with Keith Richards, so mix out.
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Speaker 1: But what about Paul McCartney. Yes, Paul is very much
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Speaker 1: a singer songwriter, but he's much more than that. And
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Speaker 1: I'm disqualifying Paul and John for that matter, and George
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Speaker 1: and even Ringo another post Megaband artists who went on
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Speaker 1: to solo careers. Instead, I'm choosing to focus on artists
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Speaker 1: who broke onto the scene and spent the majority of
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Speaker 1: their careers on stage in front of a microphone with
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Speaker 1: an instrument in their hands, belting out tunes that they
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Speaker 1: themselves wrote. At times they're on stage by themselves, at
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Speaker 1: times they're on stage in front of bands. Lead. Bruce
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Speaker 1: Springsteen is the perfect example, but so is someone like
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Speaker 1: Dave Matthews, whereas Jeff Tweety of Wilco is not. And
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Speaker 1: you know, Bob Dylan obviously great example. Elton John great example,
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Speaker 1: Ryan Adams great example, whereas someone like Craig Finn or
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Speaker 1: Frank Black they're not great examples. Taylor Swift great example.
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Speaker 1: Jane Widlin from the Go Gos, despite writing a lot
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Speaker 1: of those songs, not a great example. Starting to get
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Speaker 1: the definition singer songwriter solo artists who write their own
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Speaker 1: songs lead their own bands. Who did it best? Was
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Speaker 1: it the Boss? And the answer is hell no, it
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Speaker 1: wasn't the Boss because Dylan did it first and arguably better.
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Speaker 1: You might like Springsteen better than Dylan, but Dylan gave
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Speaker 1: Bruce the map on how to get to where he
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Speaker 1: was going now. And I might not have been a
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Speaker 1: Texaco roadmap, but it was a guide in Springsteen is
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Speaker 1: still following Dylan. Look at the recent biopics. Okay, speaking
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Speaker 1: of directions and how to get from one place to another.
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Speaker 1: The Dylan movie is called No Direction Home, and the
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Speaker 1: Springsteen movie is called Deliver Me from Nowhere. Bruce got
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Speaker 1: himself lost here just like Bob did. Okay, this question
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Speaker 1: is nearly impossible to answer, who is the best singer
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Speaker 1: songwriter of all time? All I know is that Bruce
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Speaker 1: ain't it? But guys, I found one of my favorite
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Speaker 1: things today. Am I way to the after party? A list? Okay,
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Speaker 1: it's a little bit more dialed in, however, which I
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Speaker 1: like because it gives us some more structure to this question.
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Speaker 1: The list doesn't ask who is the greatest singer songwriter
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Speaker 1: of all time? It asks what is the greatest singer
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Speaker 1: songwriter album of all time? Now, this question, this gives
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Speaker 1: me the fuel I need to contradict myself and look
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Speaker 1: like a proper asshole, Because if you ask me what
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Speaker 1: is the greatest singer songwriter album of all time? I
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Speaker 1: might tell you Nebraska by Bruce Springsteen. I might give
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Speaker 1: you that as the answer, But you're gonna say, wait, wait, Jake,
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Speaker 1: how can Springsteen album? How can a Springsteen singer songwriter
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Speaker 1: album be better than a Dylan singer songwriter album if
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Speaker 1: Dylan is, in your words, the best singer songwriter of
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Speaker 1: all time, and especially if that Springsteen album isn't Born
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Speaker 1: in the Usa, which you just told us was your
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Speaker 1: favorite Springsteen album, and my answer to you would be
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Speaker 1: I have no fucking idea. It has something to do
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Speaker 1: with the fact that Born in the USA is a
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Speaker 1: band album. Nebraska is a one man show with a
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Speaker 1: tight focus on theme and character, and I can't think
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Speaker 1: of a Dylan album that is presented quite like that. Plus,
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Speaker 1: I just fucking love Nebraska, probably more than Blonde Don Blanc.
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Speaker 1: But enough twisted logic. I'm giving myself a headache. Let's
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Speaker 1: get into the list so we can argue with the
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Speaker 1: dude who made it and not the voices in my head.
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Speaker 1: All right? The list of greatest singer songwriter albums of
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Speaker 1: all time comes from a twenty twenty four Mellophobe post.
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Speaker 1: I don't know who this writer is, but I like them,
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Speaker 1: and this list is solid, and more importantly, it is compelling.
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Speaker 1: Number ten Blood on the Tracks by Bob Dylan. This
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Speaker 1: seems way too low. I don't know, you guys. Tell me.
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Speaker 1: Number nine Pink Moon by Nick Drake not gonna lie
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Speaker 1: Aside from maybe one other song besides the title track,
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Speaker 1: I don't really know this record, and now I feel stupid,
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Speaker 1: so thanks Melophobe. Number eight Harvest by Neil Young. This
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Speaker 1: seems well kind of perfect, a solid eight on this
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Speaker 1: list of heavyweight singer songwriter albums. I can get with
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Speaker 1: Harvest at eight. I guess number seven either Or by
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Speaker 1: Elliott Smith, and I gotta say, man, no, no, you
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Speaker 1: got the wrong record. The right record is XO if
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Speaker 1: you had XO here by Elliott Smith. Now can Elliott
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Speaker 1: Smith having an album better than Neil Young at number eight? Hell, yeah,
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Speaker 1: he can. But it can't be either or it's got
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Speaker 1: to be XO better than Bob Dylan as well. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I do believe he can. XO is that good. It's
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Speaker 1: great start to finish. Not a single turd in the
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Speaker 1: Punch poll on XBO. Number six Moon Dance by Man Morrison.
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Speaker 1: Speaking of turds, No, I'm kidding. This album is not
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Speaker 1: a turd, but it's not rock solid start to finish,
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Speaker 1: and I'm not even sure it should be higher than
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Speaker 1: Astra Weeks, which is an even on this list. Number
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Speaker 1: five Horses by Patti Smith, the writer ranking Patti Smith
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Speaker 1: higher than Van Morrison is a cheeky fuck you, and
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Speaker 1: I like it. I spelled g LA. I can't argue
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Speaker 1: with this choice or its placement. This album rocks start
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Speaker 1: to finish, and it's singular and it sound and in
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Speaker 1: its statement, it's great. Gre e A T It's a
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Speaker 1: great record. Number four warren Zevon Warren Zevon self titled. Okay.
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Speaker 1: Admittedly I don't know this record as well as some
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Speaker 1: of these other records, but I have heard it and
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Speaker 1: I do own it, and I know that it doesn't
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Speaker 1: deserve to be this high on the list, despite it
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Speaker 1: being responsible for one of the greatest gg Allen moments
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Speaker 1: in music history. But I do think I need to
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Speaker 1: revisit this because I don't quite know what the hell
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Speaker 1: it is I'm talking about when I talk about this album,
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Speaker 1: because I've listened to it, but I've never really really
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Speaker 1: letting myself get taken in by it. And I think
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Speaker 1: if I did, I think if.
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Speaker 3: I did, maybe, if I did.
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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe, maybe maybe maybe I would think it deserved
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Speaker 1: this high replacement on this list. I don't know. Number
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Speaker 1: three Grace by Jeff Buckley Hard to fuck with This record,
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Speaker 1: hard to fuck with this placement. I'd say the same
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Speaker 1: thing about this record that I said about horses. Nothing
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Speaker 1: like it before, and no one's come close to giving
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Speaker 1: us anything like it since. Number two John Prime, John Prine.
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Speaker 1: Hard for me to comment on this one because I've
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Speaker 1: never been taken in by John Prine. Now I've tried,
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Speaker 1: unlike with that Zevon record I was talking about, and
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Speaker 1: I don't think, like a lot of people do that
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Speaker 1: John Prine is the second coming of Robert Zimmermann. I
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Speaker 1: don't dislike John Prine. I just don't think that he's
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Speaker 1: the BEA's knees. I don't think he's better than Jeff Buckley. Now,
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Speaker 1: hold on, hold on. I know John Prin has had
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Speaker 1: a long, illustrious career before we passed away, and Jeff
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Speaker 1: Buckley basically made one record, So I get it. I
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Speaker 1: get it. Come at me. I deserve it for that comment.
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Speaker 1: But Grace just it's just it's incredible. Is John Prime
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Speaker 1: John Prine that good? I don't know. Maybe I should
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Speaker 1: go look at it specifically with that intention to compare
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Speaker 1: it to Grace. But let's stop talking about John Brian
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Speaker 1: and the number three spot. Let's talk about the number
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Speaker 1: one spot Bob Dylan's Blonde on Blonde. Hard to argue
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Speaker 1: with this one unless you want to bring other Dylan
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Speaker 1: albums into the mix. Is Blonde on Blonde better than
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Speaker 1: Blood on the Tracks, which was number ten on this list?
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Speaker 1: I don't know. Free Wheeling? Is it better than Freewheeling
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Speaker 1: Bob Dylan? I don't know about that either, maybe, probably, maybe,
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Speaker 1: very hard to say. Is it better than Nebraska? Though
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Speaker 1: that's the question. Nebraska didn't even make the top ten?
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Speaker 1: Shows you what I know? Uh, glaring omissions from this list,
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Speaker 1: By the way, Billy Joel's The Stranger, Ryan Adams is Heartbreaker,
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Speaker 1: Amy Winehouse is Back to Black. But you tell me
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Speaker 1: what is the greatest singer songwriter album of all time?
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Speaker 1: And hell, it doesn't even have to be the greatest,
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Speaker 1: it can just be What does that even mean the greatest?
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Speaker 1: What does that even have proven in this that? I
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Speaker 1: have no idea what it means. It's just all opinions.
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Speaker 1: Just let me know what singer songwriter album you love them?
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Speaker 4: Oh?
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Speaker 1: By Carol King? How's that not on this dude's list?
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Speaker 1: Come on, let me know what you think. Singer songwriter album?
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Speaker 1: Which one hit you the most six one seven nine
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Speaker 1: oh six six six three eight, leave me a voicemail,
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Speaker 1: send me a text. You might hear your answer on
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Speaker 1: next week's after party. But before that, speaking your great albums,
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Speaker 1: we have two episodes coming at you after this bonus
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Speaker 1: episode here with me talking into the microphone into your
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Speaker 1: ears right now, we have two more episodes in the
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Speaker 1: rewind spot that are coming up right after this, two
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Speaker 1: episodes part one and part two on Fleetwood Mac, the
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Speaker 1: Peter Green years and the Lindsay and Stevie years. And
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Speaker 1: you're not gonna want to miss all that drama because
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Speaker 1: if you do, you will never know what it's like
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Speaker 1: to say okay next Tuesday. Like I mentioned, our next
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Speaker 1: full episode coming your way is our two part episode
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Speaker 1: of the Frank Sinatra story. This is one of those
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Speaker 1: stories where I fully went into the research thinking it
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Speaker 1: was going to be on one thing, and I came
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Speaker 1: out of the research going nope, it's on something else.
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Speaker 1: I was gonna write Frank Sinatra episode on the kidnapping
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Speaker 1: of Frank Sinatra Junior. And in researching that story, I
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Speaker 1: was using a book that was published in twenty twenty
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Speaker 1: two and it talks in depth about that story. But
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Speaker 1: it really, really really gets with this is the most
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Speaker 1: important part. With a bunch of news sourcing, a bunch
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Speaker 1: of new government documents federal and state from Los Angeles
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Speaker 1: on Frank Sinatra and his mob ties throughout his career,
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Speaker 1: and what I came upon in this research is that
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Speaker 1: the myth about the myths I should say plural, about
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Speaker 1: Frank Sinatra and the mafia, and our general cultural understanding
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Speaker 1: of Frank's relationship to the mob, to the Italian mob,
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Speaker 1: what our understanding and acceptance of what that is is
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Speaker 1: not true. We've been We've bought into a false narrative.
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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to make the case in this episode
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Speaker 1: that he was not tied to the mafia. In fact,
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Speaker 1: just the opposite. I'm saying that he was tied in
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Speaker 1: way more and more fully than we have believed. We
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Speaker 1: sort of accepted this myth. The myth comes in a
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Speaker 1: box and it has boundaries, and it is what it is,
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Speaker 1: and I'm not going to burn it all here. I'm
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Speaker 1: just to say that there's so much more to that,
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Speaker 1: and it's not like I got this out of a
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Speaker 1: book that's some gossip rag written to sell off Airport shelves. Okay.
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Speaker 1: This is written by a real law enforcement investigator with
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Speaker 1: access to real sourcing that is recent, okay, and it
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Speaker 1: kind of completely disrupted my understanding of who Frank Sinatra
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Speaker 1: was and what he actually did for the American mafia.
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Speaker 1: And yeah, man, I think you're really going to dig it.
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Speaker 1: It's coming your way on Tuesday, and when you're listening
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Speaker 1: to it and you're getting my new perspective on Frank,
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Speaker 1: I want you to think about Sean Combs, and I
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Speaker 1: want you to think about uh Tupac Dre. I want
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Speaker 1: you to think about any of the other sort of
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Speaker 1: domineering personalities in rock and rollal history. And I want
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Speaker 1: you to answer the question of is Frank Sinatra the
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Speaker 1: most gangster musician of all time? And if he is
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Speaker 1: not in your estimation, then who is? So the next week,
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Speaker 1: the two questions we're going to get into in the
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Speaker 1: after party are going to be Number One, it's Frank
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Speaker 1: Sinatra the most gangster musician of all time? Number two,
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Speaker 1: which singer songwriter album is your favorite? Hit Me Up
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Speaker 1: six one seven nine or sixty six sixty three eight
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Speaker 1: or DM me at Grace lamp Pod or get at
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Speaker 1: Me on the old email box is Grace Lampod at
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Speaker 1: gmail dot com. You may hear yourself in the next
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Speaker 1: episode of The After Party coming next week. All right,
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Speaker 1: I got more music comingyway. I got even a little
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Speaker 1: bit of some movie talk, touch with sports as well.
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Speaker 1: But more important, have you coming up after this short
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Speaker 1: break as your voicemails and text and DM's take over
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Speaker 1: the telephone here in the phone booth, the one across
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Speaker 1: the hall. Sixty one seven nine oh sixty six sixty
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Speaker 1: three eight voicemail and text. Last week's question of the
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Speaker 1: week was about songs that are about murder? How that
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Speaker 1: related to the Bruce Springsteen Nebraska record. Let's check in
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Speaker 1: with our guy, Chris.
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Speaker 5: Jake Chris in the SIXTI I am calling response to
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Speaker 5: your question about songs about murder and true crime. I
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Speaker 5: think I've mentioned this to you when we talked, but
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Speaker 5: I have to give my vote to Suffer Little Children
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Speaker 5: by the Smiths it's about the more murders in Manchester
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Speaker 5: in the early nineteen sixties. Kind of captivated the kids
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Speaker 5: and the.
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Speaker 6: Parents at that time. It was about Ian Brady and
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Speaker 6: Myra Henley, who were a couple who were serial killers,
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Speaker 6: and it's dark. The lot of the lines in the
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Speaker 6: song come from a book called Beyond Belief.
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Speaker 5: I picked up a book in New Orleans and a
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Speaker 5: thrift store in the mid nineties and it lived up
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Speaker 5: to its title.
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Speaker 6: So there you go, man, big love rock and roller Sigold.
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Speaker 1: Chris, thanks for the call, my man. I don't know
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Speaker 1: that song. Thank you. Maybe I've heard it and I
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Speaker 1: just never It never hit me as a murder ballad
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Speaker 1: or whatever. But when you mentioned Beyond Belief the book,
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Speaker 1: and now I'm wondering if Elvis Costello Beyond Belief? That's
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Speaker 1: an Elvis Costello song? Right? Am I making that up
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Speaker 1: my thinking? What's going on? Let me just yeah, Elvis
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Speaker 1: Costello Beyond Belief? Is that? Does that have to do
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Speaker 1: with the same thing? I don't know, but it's making
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Speaker 1: me wonder and uh, just great great voicemail, Chris, appreciate you,
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Speaker 1: stay gold yourself, rock a rolla all that jazz. What
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Speaker 1: else we got. Let's check out AJ in the two
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Speaker 1: o three.
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Speaker 7: A j.
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Speaker 2: This is John from the two oh three. I think
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Speaker 2: Bob Dylan's Lonesome Dad that had Carroll of his times.
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Speaker 2: They are a changing album. I believe that was the
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Speaker 2: Thinking four. That's my favorite song about a murder. I mean,
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Speaker 2: how often do you hear someone rhyme table with table
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Speaker 2: and then again with table. So he just uses that
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Speaker 2: word three times to get his rhyme. Great song, sad,
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Speaker 2: tragic story, beat about that. What really happened on Wikipedia
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Speaker 2: is kind of a true story too, and it really
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Speaker 2: did a great song about a tragic event.
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Speaker 1: Great choice. And I don't know that I've ever heard
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Speaker 1: anyone else rhyme table with table or even thought of that.
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Speaker 1: Someone said it was Brian Wilson. I'm researching Brian Wilson.
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Speaker 1: Someone said you can't rhyme not someone. Brian Wilson said
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Speaker 1: you cannot rhyme anything with orange, and I don't know
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Speaker 1: if that's true. Is it true? I don't know. Let's
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Speaker 1: go to Michelle and the four to one six.
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Speaker 4: Hi, Jake, It's Michelle from Toronto the four one six.
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Speaker 4: I'm calling in reverse to the last week's question. Song, song song.
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Speaker 4: The first one that came to my mind was Maxwell's Silverhammer,
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Speaker 4: because I remember as a kid singing my lungs out
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Speaker 4: to that song and not well knowing that it was
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Speaker 4: about killing some sweet ladyes Michelle.
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Speaker 1: Amazing choice, amazing, amazing, amazing choice. I got so into
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Speaker 1: the backstory of maxwell Silverhammer that I was like, I'm
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Speaker 1: going to do a whole scripted fictional podcast about this
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Speaker 1: story because it's off the charts, and I think the
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Speaker 1: way the Beatles present it, they don't really present it
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Speaker 1: in a dark way. They kind of do the opposite.
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Speaker 1: I think that's very smart, really cool. Love that song.
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Speaker 1: Great choice. Let's go to Beth in the three to six.
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Speaker 7: Oh hey, Jake, this is Beth from the three six Oh.
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Speaker 7: Used to be the two of six, but they added
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Speaker 7: another whatever those things are called.
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Speaker 2: Prefix.
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Speaker 6: Anyway.
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Speaker 7: I was responding to the question about the most true
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Speaker 7: crime song. That would have to be probably the Hurricane
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Speaker 7: Bob Dylan about the boxer Reuben and Patterson, also set
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Speaker 7: in New Jersey. So sorry, I'm driving a little distracted anyway. Yeah,
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Speaker 7: you gotta talk about the hurricane anyway, Gotta go, don't
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Speaker 7: drive and.
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Speaker 1: Talk, all right, but Beth be careful out there behind
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Speaker 1: the wheel. Thank you, great choice. We were talking about
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Speaker 1: this the other day, Bob Dylan's Hurricane, and we're talking
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Speaker 1: about the song. We're talking about doing an episode on
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Speaker 1: this story. And if I'm remembering this story correctly, Bob
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Speaker 1: Dylan of course is advocating the innocence of boxer Ruben Carter.
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Speaker 1: But I believe Ruben Carter was proved guilty. Was he not? Later?
20:25
Speaker 1: Much later? Kind of like a Norman Mailer executioner song thing.
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Speaker 1: I gotta look this up. Nope, I know not what
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about, at least based on five seconds of research. Here,
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Speaker 1: Google AI says here Ruben Hurricane Carter was found not guilty.
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Speaker 1: He was initially convicted of a triple murder in nineteen
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Speaker 1: sixty seven, but those convictions were overturned by a federal
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Speaker 1: judge in nineteen eighty five due to racial bias and
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Speaker 1: lack of evidence. The judge determined that the prosecution had
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Speaker 1: relied on an appeal to racism rather than reason. Damn
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Speaker 1: still make for a compelling episode, I think, especially with
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Speaker 1: Dylan's interest history and support of boxing and of boxers.
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Speaker 1: Uh and as a boxer himself, but he didn't know
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Speaker 1: that bag for a good episode. I think it's coming.
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Speaker 1: I think we're gonna get into it part three. Bob Dylan,
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Speaker 1: what do you think? I know you're saying, Bob Dylan,
21:15
Speaker 1: part three? Where's our poison episode? And I just say
21:18
Speaker 1: to you, you know, I'm just yeah, maybe I don't
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Speaker 1: know sure, I think so. Yeah, it's coming. There's a
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Speaker 1: lot of Dylan still to get into. Six one seven
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Speaker 1: roh rights in Hey, did you just say unfuck with
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Speaker 1: I said it. I'm not apologizing for it. Eight oh
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Speaker 1: one writes in Nebraska by Springsteen is epic. Another favorite
21:57
Speaker 1: true crime tune is Mark Knopfler's song for Sonny Listen
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Speaker 1: or whatever the hell we're calling this segment. The Lakers,
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Speaker 1: who are not the greatest franchise in NBA history, that
23:23
Speaker 1: of course is the Boston Celtics. The Lakers just sold
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Speaker 1: for ten billion dollars and it got me thinking just
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Speaker 1: how batshit crazy the Lakers history has been, despite the
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Speaker 1: fact that they don't have as many championships as the
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Speaker 1: Boston Celtics, nor do they have they ever had a
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Speaker 1: player as good as Larry Birrd. But despite all that,
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Speaker 1: they do have a crazy, crazy, crazy history. Just just
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Speaker 1: There's all kinds of stuff. Like in Hollywood Land were
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Speaker 1: stuff that has gone on in Lakers history that's really wild,
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Speaker 1: but this one I got admit. I never heard this,
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Speaker 1: and it bears repeating. In nineteen sixty nine, Los Angeles
24:15
Speaker 1: Lakers drafted a guy named Ken Spain, unaware that Ken
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Speaker 1: Spain was dead. They drafted a dead guy. He died
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Speaker 1: in a car crash weeks earlier, yet the Lakers didn't
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Speaker 1: know and they still drafted him, which is insane, and
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Speaker 1: it's totally in line with, you know, the Lakers' craziness.
24:38
Speaker 1: But it was interesting to me because it just shows
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Speaker 1: I was nineteen sixty nine. It just shows you how
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Speaker 1: far we've come as a culture, as a society, where
24:45
Speaker 1: of course that would never happen now, the way the
24:49
Speaker 1: news travels, the way that we get our information. I
24:51
Speaker 1: just thought that to be hysterical, and I just wanted
24:55
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24:57
Speaker 1: as good as a Boston Celtics. So there you have it,
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25:54
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Speaker 1: not subscribed to the Hollywood Land podcast. I'm obsessed lately
26:30
Speaker 1: with this song by another Eddie. Eddie and the Hot
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Speaker 1: Rods Do Anything You Want to Do is the name
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Speaker 1: of the song, and it is incredible. It is uplifting.
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Speaker 1: It's one of those songs you put on You're gonna
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Speaker 1: good for the rest of the day. Fantastic tune, great
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Speaker 8: Eddie and the Hot Rods. Are they different from Eddie
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Speaker 8: and the Cruisers.
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Speaker 1: Yes, much different.
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Speaker 8: I remember seeing that record all the time in any
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Speaker 8: the was that a soundtrack or something?
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Speaker 1: It was a movie and Eddie and the Cruisers the
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Speaker 1: fictional band where an actual real band John Cafferty.
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Speaker 8: And then Brown Band.
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Speaker 1: Yeah what a name from Philly, I believe. Can't quote
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Speaker 1: me on that because I actually don't know. I just
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Speaker 1: think it's Philly. They were like a Springsteen. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, yeah, and I had real hits.
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Speaker 1: Hold the Dogs, I was gonna say on the dark side. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and they're like.
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Speaker 8: I was like, you get your Bruce Springsteen at home?
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Speaker 1: You know, yeah, exactly exactly. But Eddie and the Hot Eddie
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Speaker 1: and the Hot Rods I believe were like a pub
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Speaker 1: rock band in the late seventies and in London. I
27:29
Speaker 1: don't know much about them. I just know they're like,
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Speaker 1: you know, punk punkish, pub rocky type thing. This song
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27:35
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28:51
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Speaker 1: Those are waiting for you right now. Number four. Damn it,
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Speaker 1: I forgot to do the reviews again. Damn it, I
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Speaker 1: gotta do that next week lead a review for disgrace,
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Speaker 1: sam or Hall. Number five. Remember, no one cares what
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Speaker 1: honor this week's full episode subject Bruce Springsteen, who released
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Speaker 1: Nebraska on January third, nineteen eighty two. This is what
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Speaker 1: the country was listening to. According to the Billboard Hot
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Speaker 1: one hundred at that time. Number one Physical Olivia Newton
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Speaker 1: John last week one weeks at number one, eight weeks
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Speaker 1: on Chart fifteen, Number two Waiting for a Girl Like You.
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Speaker 1: Foreigner last week two, peak position two weeks on Chart fourteen,
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Speaker 1: number three, number Let's Groog Earth Wind, Dan Fire last
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Speaker 1: week three peak position three leaks on Chart fifteen. Number four.
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Speaker 1: I Can't go for that, No can do Daryl Hall,
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Speaker 1: John Oates last week four, peak position four weeks on
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Speaker 1: Chart nine. Number five Young Turks, broad Boss Stewarts last
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