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- 0:01Speaker 1: Coming up on this week's episode of hip Hop Now podcast,
- 0:05Speaker 1: Big Sean thinks Jay Dillar is the greatest producer of
- 0:09Speaker 1: all time. My thoughts on Beg's new album Freedom of Speech,
- 0:16Speaker 1: and five elite desographies in hip hop history.
- 0:21Speaker 2: Just five? Just five?
- 0:25Speaker 1: Now many more than five, but we're just gonna focus
- 0:27Speaker 1: on pith. Let's do it.
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- 5:44Speaker 2: All right, So.
- 5:48Speaker 1: Big Sean thinks that Jay Dillon is arguably the greatest
- 5:54Speaker 1: producer of all time. Well, paptain obvious, no Ish Sherlock. Okay,
- 6:04Speaker 1: that's probably old now. I probably sound like an old man,
- 6:06Speaker 1: like no ish, I'm not cursing because it's a family show.
- 6:09Speaker 1: But you know, no, it's Charlot. It's like, who's Charlot?
- 6:14Speaker 1: Somebody young's like, who's that? But this is on hip
- 6:18Speaker 1: Hop DX dot com. And I'm gonna read from it
- 6:22Speaker 1: a little bit. But he said, and I quote because
- 6:25Speaker 1: he calls Jay dillah a genius. He was born with
- 6:29Speaker 1: a gift, a natural rhythm about him. They say he
- 6:32Speaker 1: could match pitch perfect harmony before he even learned how
- 6:36Speaker 1: to speak. And for a kid from the East Side
- 6:39Speaker 1: growing up in the eighties, music was like currency. It
- 6:44Speaker 1: was a way to make sense of the world. To
- 6:46Speaker 1: connect with people, and his craft connected us. All his
- 6:50Speaker 1: greatness is cocked in the tiniest increments of time. That's
- 6:55Speaker 1: why j Dilla is one of the greatest producers, if
- 6:57Speaker 1: not the greatest of all time. He was a genius,
- 7:01Speaker 1: hands down. He changed music forever with what Big Sean
- 7:08Speaker 1: just said, and he said it pretty eloquently. Right, you know,
- 7:12Speaker 1: I'm not saying a big word. Okay, don't get scared,
- 7:17Speaker 1: but what he just said is the perfect description for
- 7:22Speaker 1: why you would argue for Jay Diller to be greatest
- 7:27Speaker 1: of all time. Now, some people they have no idea
- 7:32Speaker 1: beyond the ones they do know of what Ja Dila
- 7:36Speaker 1: has produced in the hip hop game.
- 7:39Speaker 2: But it's not just what he's produced.
- 7:42Speaker 1: Sure, there are bigger household names that come up first
- 7:46Speaker 1: before you even get to Jay Dilla. And I'll just
- 7:49Speaker 1: say a few, right like Doctor Dre comes to mind,
- 7:53Speaker 1: Kanye West comes to my household name. I'm not saying
- 7:56Speaker 1: I agree with what he's saying now, I'm just saying
- 7:59Speaker 1: Kanye West comes to mind. On q TIB Large, Professor
- 8:01Speaker 1: Mally mal Pete, Rock DJ Premier, the DJ Quick for
- 8:06Speaker 1: some people like the list goes on and on and
- 8:09Speaker 1: on right, where some of them maybe not DJ Quick
- 8:15Speaker 1: for everybody you know West Coast heavy, they know everything
- 8:19Speaker 1: he's done, and hip hop heads who have a wider
- 8:22Speaker 1: palette understand everything that he's done. But for the most part,
- 8:26Speaker 1: they're they're just to make the example. They're just people
- 8:30Speaker 1: who have done production throughout the history, even if you're
- 8:33Speaker 1: just taking Dre and Premier right or Rizza like who
- 8:38Speaker 1: have a bigger impact where you know they're the maestro
- 8:44Speaker 1: behind the music right, So their legend is much bigger
- 8:48Speaker 1: because they are more beats that are or songs I
- 8:52Speaker 1: should say that they produce that are so popular they're
- 8:56Speaker 1: synonymous with those beats, whereas J Dillon. Some people don't
- 9:02Speaker 1: know that some of your favorite records were produced by
- 9:05Speaker 1: J Dillon, some hits right. Some people don't know that J.
- 9:10Speaker 1: Diller was a part of the Uma and really was
- 9:14Speaker 1: really good. And this is in general, not just with
- 9:16Speaker 1: Try but because Uma was a part of Tropal Quest.
- 9:20Speaker 1: If you didn't know, particularly on beats Rhymes in life
- 9:26Speaker 1: is when that came about, right, he was a part
- 9:29Speaker 1: of the production team.
- 9:31Speaker 2: But this is where we get into the genius of
- 9:35Speaker 2: J Dilla.
- 9:36Speaker 1: You couldn't have told me that the beats that Dila
- 9:39Speaker 1: did weren't the beats that Tip did because they sound
- 9:44Speaker 1: exactly like Q Tip and not like Biting.
- 9:47Speaker 2: He was just really good at making your best.
- 9:51Speaker 1: That's the difference, right, So he can make a beat
- 9:55Speaker 1: that sounds like cute Tip did it like trop goal quest.
- 10:00Speaker 1: This is the one album I don't like the love
- 10:03Speaker 1: movement the lead single find My Way. You couldn't tell
- 10:08Speaker 1: me Cuta didn't produce that, but he didn't. Dela produced
- 10:13Speaker 1: it right on Ray Kwan's probably third album, but only
- 10:19Speaker 1: built for Cuba Links two. Right on only built for I
- 10:22Speaker 1: think that was his fourth album, only built for Cuba
- 10:25Speaker 1: Links two.
- 10:27Speaker 2: Dela got production.
- 10:28Speaker 1: On it that At first, I was, you know, I
- 10:32Speaker 1: knew Dela did production on the album, but I didn't
- 10:34Speaker 1: know what song it was because I didn't look at
- 10:36Speaker 1: the credits at the time, and I was like, well, damn,
- 10:38Speaker 1: which one is the Dilla song? And it was the
- 10:40Speaker 1: one that I thought like Rizza, did you know what
- 10:43Speaker 1: I'm saying? Because it sounded like a Riza beat. But again,
- 10:46Speaker 1: he can do you at your best. But then he
- 10:51Speaker 1: also could do diler right, some village stuff doughnuts, which honestly,
- 10:57Speaker 1: I think that's a classic beat CD, and maybe I'll
- 11:03Speaker 1: do that. Maybe not CD, but you know what I mean,
- 11:05Speaker 1: album and maybe I'll do that like my top five
- 11:09Speaker 1: beat albums. You know, that'd be a nice episode, that
- 11:11Speaker 1: could be a bonus episode. But you know, Donuts is
- 11:15Speaker 1: another example. And then there are tons of other instrumental albums.
- 11:20Speaker 1: He dropped Slum Village his own solo career as a
- 11:23Speaker 1: rapper of music, he did for others like Buster and
- 11:27Speaker 1: so many more. But that's not even why you would
- 11:32Speaker 1: consider him a genius alone or the greatest producer of
- 11:37Speaker 1: all time. If you ever read the book, and it's
- 11:41Speaker 1: right over there on my shelf, if you're watch it
- 11:43Speaker 1: on YouTube. J Dillon book right, that was done maybe
- 11:47Speaker 1: two years ago. That does an excellent job of breaking
- 11:51Speaker 1: down Deyler's technique, and that's where the genius lies. I'll
- 11:57Speaker 1: just give you a quick example before we move on.
- 11:59Speaker 1: But Dyla when he like, you could go listen to
- 12:05Speaker 1: slum Village, what is it? Fantastic Voyage volume two something
- 12:11Speaker 1: like that. I can't deal with the long tapers, but
- 12:15Speaker 1: the second one, okay, fantastic the second one if you
- 12:18Speaker 1: look it up, you'll see there were beats on there
- 12:22Speaker 1: that sometimes I used to feel like is this offbeat?
- 12:26Speaker 2: Like I don't know if I like this? Like why
- 12:28Speaker 2: do people like this?
- 12:31Speaker 1: And what I didn't realize back then that I realized
- 12:35Speaker 1: from you know, interviews and stuff like that, and that
- 12:37Speaker 1: book in particular about Diyla reinforced it, was that Dila
- 12:42Speaker 1: was finding another way to hear rhythm. Right there's a
- 12:48Speaker 1: certain way we are kind of programmed to hear rhythm
- 12:53Speaker 1: in most music. Right now, I'm not gonna break it down,
- 12:57Speaker 1: you know, and stuff like that. Because it's in the book,
- 13:00Speaker 1: can find people talking about it, like the knowledge of
- 13:02Speaker 1: it is everywhere. But there's a specific pattern that we
- 13:07Speaker 1: are programmed to understand as rhythm, and when it's off
- 13:14Speaker 1: it tends to sound like it's off beat. But what
- 13:17Speaker 1: Dyla did was like, no, it's not off beat. It's
- 13:22Speaker 1: just a different way to hear rhythm. And once you
- 13:26Speaker 1: think about that, all of a sudden, it doesn't sound
- 13:30Speaker 1: off beat. It just sounds different than you expect. Now,
- 13:34Speaker 1: some people like sounds different because it's off beat. That's
- 13:37Speaker 1: what it is. Okay, Well, keep eating McDonald's, you bump ass. Okay,
- 13:40Speaker 1: I'm sorry I got excited, but.
- 13:43Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
- 13:45Speaker 1: You know what I mean, like, understand that there's something
- 13:49Speaker 1: much deeper than making a beat happen happen here because
- 13:55Speaker 1: and this is on record, there are a number of
- 13:58Speaker 1: classically trained jazz musicians specifically who look up to Dyla
- 14:04Speaker 1: in a way you couldn't understand, because they admire the
- 14:10Speaker 1: fact that he created something that didn't exist musically, and
- 14:16Speaker 1: so he's inspired musicians, and I think he's inspired some.
- 14:23Speaker 2: Producers as well who get it.
- 14:25Speaker 1: But not everyone does that now, not everyone tries to expire,
- 14:30Speaker 1: expand upon what he's already done, right, which is what
- 14:34Speaker 1: you're supposed to do more than just copy, you know,
- 14:37Speaker 1: you're supposed to take that and you know, evolve it.
- 14:42Speaker 1: So I'm not mad at Big Sean for his statements,
- 14:47Speaker 1: especially the way he put it, especially.
- 14:49Speaker 2: Knowing who Dyla is.
- 14:50Speaker 1: I think for me personally, I might not put him
- 14:54Speaker 1: as my number one, just because I feel like there's
- 14:57Speaker 1: just more.
- 14:57Speaker 2: Even though he did what he did.
- 15:00Speaker 1: They're just other producers whose production is just crazy, you know,
- 15:06Speaker 1: and it checks a couple of boxes, and it may
- 15:10Speaker 1: not be like all he's a genius for doing this
- 15:12Speaker 1: and this. They're just really good at it and they
- 15:15Speaker 1: had a huge success with it. But Dyla is definitely
- 15:19Speaker 1: in my top five. He's definitely my top five, just
- 15:25Speaker 1: off the strength of the genius of creating a new
- 15:29Speaker 1: way to hear sound and rhythm. That's that's not usually
- 15:33Speaker 1: what producers do. No, that's what musicians do, right. They
- 15:39Speaker 1: play around to try to create something new and organic
- 15:42Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Producers really don't do that at
- 15:44Speaker 1: the time. They may experiment with different sounds and stuff
- 15:48Speaker 1: like that, but you're still hearing it in a rhythm
- 15:51Speaker 1: that is familiar.
- 15:54Speaker 2: So there you have it. What do you think.
- 16:00Speaker 1: Jay Dillar the greatest producer of all time? Leave your
- 16:02Speaker 1: comments in a comment section below. I'll check them out.
- 16:04Speaker 1: I'll respond. I love to hear what you guys think.
- 16:10Speaker 1: So BG just released a new album not that long ago,
- 16:14Speaker 1: called Freedom of Speech. And if you watch this podcast,
- 16:20Speaker 1: if you listen to this podcast, you know what my
- 16:23Speaker 1: criteria is for reviewing albums. It's three listens. First listen,
- 16:28Speaker 1: it's just y'all, I'm gonna just bob with it and
- 16:30Speaker 1: see you see what it is. Second listen, I'm just
- 16:33Speaker 1: gonna listen a little deeper to the production, to the lyrics,
- 16:36Speaker 1: to the concepts and all that stuff. And third listen
- 16:39Speaker 1: is just to confirm my thoughts. And for those people
- 16:43Speaker 1: who don't like to wait, here's a quick review for you.
- 16:48Speaker 1: It's all right, it's okay, it's fine. It is to
- 16:57Speaker 1: be honest, the album has news about fourteen hold up,
- 17:04Speaker 1: fifteen tracks clocking in around somewhere under an hour. I believe,
- 17:09Speaker 1: because when you're looking on Apple Music, it says there's
- 17:11Speaker 1: twenty two songs, but these are videos, so they mess
- 17:15Speaker 1: it up. But it's fifteen tracks on the album. Guest
- 17:19Speaker 1: features include Juvenile E forty Baby of course or Birdman
- 17:27Speaker 1: should say blousy Badass and and fiend is on Heils,
- 17:33Speaker 1: who I haven't heard a minute.
- 17:34Speaker 2: That's who I'm thinking about, the same guy.
- 17:38Speaker 1: And with that being said, on a more detailed level,
- 17:46Speaker 1: let me just say this out of the Cash Money
- 17:50Speaker 1: camp when they first dropped, I was a big fan,
- 17:55Speaker 1: and probably before they started doing solos.
- 17:59Speaker 2: I think BG had souls before this.
- 18:02Speaker 1: But I was a big fan of Wayne. I was
- 18:06Speaker 1: a big fan of Turk. Those were my two that
- 18:11Speaker 1: I really like, like like a lot, you know. I
- 18:16Speaker 1: like Lil Wayne's style at the time. I like his voice,
- 18:19Speaker 1: Turk I like because I just liked his wordplay he had.
- 18:24Speaker 1: He had a little bit more bars than most of
- 18:26Speaker 1: the Cats and the crew on some stunt and stuff.
- 18:30Speaker 1: Nothing super lyrical, miracle spiritual, put your miracles together and
- 18:34Speaker 1: you none of that. Okay, we know this right stock
- 18:38Speaker 1: Boombappers fall Back. I said, BG's album. We know how
- 18:44Speaker 1: y'all feel about anything that ain't had not to sleep, okay,
- 18:48Speaker 1: but relax and not reviewing that. But I was more
- 18:53Speaker 1: of a fan of those two guys though. With BG,
- 18:57Speaker 1: I just wasn't a fan like that, even though he
- 19:00Speaker 1: had verses here and there that I liked. And when
- 19:03Speaker 1: I heard cash Money is like, I was like, oh,
- 19:08Speaker 1: I like that joint. But I was never a fan
- 19:11Speaker 1: to go and like listen to his music. And you know,
- 19:16Speaker 1: even today right now, maybe I'll go back and listen
- 19:20Speaker 1: because I know people really liked that one album we had.
- 19:23Speaker 1: I don't know if it's his second album, was first
- 19:25Speaker 1: the one that has cash Money as the army Well,
- 19:27Speaker 1: I think it's that one. I don't know, but you know,
- 19:30Speaker 1: the one with the cover, you know, the one what
- 19:32Speaker 1: I'm talking about. The mold covers and stuff, the crazy covers.
- 19:36Speaker 1: But so, you know, my interest in him now had
- 19:42Speaker 1: a little bit more to do with nostalgia for a
- 19:46Speaker 1: time where cash Money was big and Lil Wayne had
- 19:51Speaker 1: kind of moved on. Juvenile was missing for a while
- 19:54Speaker 1: from the game Turk. I know, it was like locked
- 19:56Speaker 1: up and all that, and kind of like the cash
- 19:59Speaker 1: Money sound had died, you know, it was gone, right,
- 20:03Speaker 1: and that happens with a lot of people, like it
- 20:05Speaker 1: ain't no bad boy sound no more, the ain't no
- 20:07Speaker 1: death ro sound, like that's unfortunately what happens, right, And
- 20:13Speaker 1: so I was curious. So when he was released from
- 20:16Speaker 1: prison and I saw a couple of freestyles and guests
- 20:21Speaker 1: verses he did, and I was like, yo, maybe I
- 20:25Speaker 1: slept on him because these freestyles I and and maybe
- 20:30Speaker 1: there's a part of me that missed his voice in
- 20:35Speaker 1: the hip hop game because of how big cash Money was. Right,
- 20:41Speaker 1: it was one of those things kind of like you know,
- 20:43Speaker 1: missing many fresh and you know, seeing Juvenile do tiny
- 20:47Speaker 1: deaths and like, damn, yeah, I remember Juvenile. I used
- 20:50Speaker 1: to like Juvenile like all of that. So when I
- 20:56Speaker 1: knew he had an album coming out, especially a couple
- 20:58Speaker 1: of freestyles. He did them so was dope. So I
- 21:02Speaker 1: was like, well, when his album dropped, I'm gonna just
- 21:04Speaker 1: check it out because I'm at a different time in
- 21:07Speaker 1: my life.
- 21:07Speaker 2: You know.
- 21:08Speaker 1: Back then you had to go buy it or you
- 21:11Speaker 1: had to know somebody who had it. So most of
- 21:14Speaker 1: the time I chose the people I liked first, and
- 21:17Speaker 1: I didn't really gamble because the brother ain't have a
- 21:20Speaker 1: lot of money to go buy everybody, you know what
- 21:22Speaker 1: I'm saying. Everything, But now we in the realm of
- 21:26Speaker 1: streaming services, and if you pay for a streaming service,
- 21:29Speaker 1: you can go and listen to a person's entire catalog.
- 21:32Speaker 1: We'll get to that after this, but that's what that
- 21:36Speaker 1: was my thinking. So when I press play on the album,
- 21:39Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. There was a more of an
- 21:44Speaker 1: instant regret when I hit played, because I wasn't hearing
- 21:51Speaker 1: what I heard in them freestyles, mainly production, you.
- 21:57Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying. It was almost as if I
- 22:00Speaker 2: was hearing.
- 22:02Speaker 1: An album that could have dropped way back then, production wise,
- 22:09Speaker 1: and I was like, man, I like beg over like
- 22:13Speaker 1: the new stuff, like, you know, no offense because I
- 22:16Speaker 1: don't I don't have in front of me, because a
- 22:18Speaker 1: lot of times they don't even put that information on
- 22:23Speaker 1: digital or at least you maybe you gotta dig for it,
- 22:26Speaker 1: like who produced it and all that, you know. Maybe
- 22:28Speaker 1: let's see, man, let's see in real time. Is there
- 22:31Speaker 1: some info? No there's not, Thank you Apple Music.
- 22:35Speaker 2: No there's not.
- 22:37Speaker 1: But I'm gonna assume Many Fresh did some production because
- 22:41Speaker 1: there's a lot of songs. There's a couple of songs
- 22:43Speaker 1: that sound like Many Fresh did it, and it reminds
- 22:46Speaker 1: you of the time back then. I don't know if
- 22:49Speaker 1: I necessarily like that because of what BG was doing
- 22:54Speaker 1: when he was released from prison. He was rapping over
- 22:57Speaker 1: beats that you typically hear now, right. I think he
- 23:02Speaker 1: did a song with Boosy, and I think they're a
- 23:05Speaker 1: whole project with Boosy if I'm not mistaken, And maybe
- 23:08Speaker 1: I need to go listen to that. And I think
- 23:11Speaker 1: he did a couple of other features. But I liked
- 23:13Speaker 1: what I heard. But after letting the album rock and
- 23:20Speaker 1: understanding maybe this is just gonna have a more cash
- 23:25Speaker 1: money back in the early I mean back in the
- 23:27Speaker 1: late nineties and early two thousands, mostly late nineties, I
- 23:33Speaker 1: should say then I'm gonna just take it as that
- 23:37Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to hear that sound
- 23:39Speaker 1: today versus back then, because most of the time I
- 23:43Speaker 1: was just like, I just go listen to my best
- 23:45Speaker 1: to cash Money mix, you know, which includes Beg's songs,
- 23:49Speaker 1: and it's dope when I listen to it. So I
- 23:53Speaker 1: kind of feel like this right, And I know it
- 23:57Speaker 1: feels like I say these things all the time, but
- 23:59Speaker 1: it's truth and it will spare you from any disappointment
- 24:05Speaker 1: or maybe even being surprised. If you like BG and
- 24:10Speaker 1: you want to hear that familiar sound, which I think
- 24:13Speaker 1: that was their goal that you knew prior to him
- 24:16Speaker 1: going to prison, I would say you would like this album. Lyrically,
- 24:22Speaker 1: he's talking about everything he's been through, and I appreciate
- 24:26Speaker 1: that because it's not a lot of throwaway lyrics. It's
- 24:29Speaker 1: really a lot of he's very thankful for where he is.
- 24:33Speaker 1: You know, he talks a lot about, you know, how
- 24:37Speaker 1: he could have been dead, how he could have you know,
- 24:40Speaker 1: how he's appreciative of being free.
- 24:44Speaker 2: You know, he's he shows a lot of faith in
- 24:47Speaker 2: God on him.
- 24:48Speaker 1: He talks a lot about that, and not just saying
- 24:50Speaker 1: it like some guys do, but really telling you how
- 24:54Speaker 1: you know, his grandmother kind of kept him on the
- 24:59Speaker 1: right path through instill in faith in him, and that's
- 25:04Speaker 1: how he feels he's here today to even do this,
- 25:07Speaker 1: So I appreciate a lot of that. The CoP's kind
- 25:12Speaker 1: of crazy because I didn't realize if you've ever been
- 25:16Speaker 1: to DC to the Martin Luther King exhibit, which is
- 25:20Speaker 1: outside and they have this big sculpture of him. I
- 25:23Speaker 1: don't know if y'all can see this properly. Let's just
- 25:26Speaker 1: wait for the camera to get right, but you can't
- 25:29Speaker 1: really see it, but it's basically a mockup of that
- 25:34Speaker 1: same thing, which I think is kind of dope. I
- 25:37Speaker 1: think if you never liked BG, you're not gonna like this.
- 25:41Speaker 1: You're definitely not gonna like it. Went because he has
- 25:44Speaker 1: this thing and maybe he's been doing on albums for years.
- 25:47Speaker 1: But when I heard it, I was like, what is that?
- 25:50Speaker 1: Like a baby?
- 25:52Speaker 2: Like why?
- 25:54Speaker 1: Like I don't know if maybe that's the South thing,
- 25:56Speaker 1: like yo, that's how we be calling, like okay, cool,
- 26:00Speaker 1: I don't like it in the music, Okay, I don't
- 26:02Speaker 1: like it. I know everybody has their thing, but that
- 26:04Speaker 1: doesn't mean I have to like the thing from everybody,
- 26:08Speaker 1: But it doesn't ruin the album for me. But if
- 26:10Speaker 1: you don't like BG, you never like BG. Why are
- 26:13Speaker 1: you even entertaining the idea of listening to this album
- 26:17Speaker 1: unless you're curious?
- 26:18Speaker 2: Right?
- 26:19Speaker 1: But is what you expect if you're indifferent. I think
- 26:25Speaker 1: it's cool given his history and what he's talking about.
- 26:30Speaker 1: But I will say this when he does a follow up.
- 26:34Speaker 1: I needed to have that same energy from what I
- 26:37Speaker 1: was hearing on those freestyles. And I think correct me
- 26:41Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, But I think he said something recently
- 26:44Speaker 1: on social media that he couldn't really talk that talk
- 26:48Speaker 1: on his album because he feels like they're gonna use
- 26:51Speaker 1: it against him to say, you know, he's you know,
- 26:56Speaker 1: he's still committing crimes and he's rapping about it or whatever,
- 26:59Speaker 1: like they're gonna try to use his lyrics against him.
- 27:01Speaker 1: So he kind of stayed away from some of that.
- 27:04Speaker 1: And we know they've been kind of pressing him because
- 27:07Speaker 1: at one point, and he raps about it, they told
- 27:11Speaker 1: him that being a rapper was a job he couldn't do.
- 27:16Speaker 2: He can do any other job.
- 27:17Speaker 1: You go work in McDonald's, you're working all his other places.
- 27:20Speaker 1: To call wash wherever you want to work, but you
- 27:23Speaker 1: can't go and rap. That's crazy, because this is what
- 27:27Speaker 1: he does. This is how he can feed his family,
- 27:30Speaker 1: this is how he can be a better part of society.
- 27:35Speaker 1: And to me, the way he's talking on his album, yeah,
- 27:38Speaker 1: he's given an example.
- 27:39Speaker 2: Now.
- 27:40Speaker 1: I hope he continues to live it. I have no
- 27:43Speaker 1: reason to think he won't. But I think as a whole,
- 27:46Speaker 1: as an album, as a guy who's just been released
- 27:50Speaker 1: from prison after what I believe is more than a
- 27:53Speaker 1: decade if not, damn there too, being locked up and
- 27:59Speaker 1: being away from from the game and watching you know,
- 28:02Speaker 1: Birdman and many Fresh blow up and Wayne blow up
- 28:06Speaker 1: all crazy and you know he can't couldn't really do
- 28:09Speaker 1: anything about it from being inside. So it's good to
- 28:12Speaker 1: see him out. The album is cool. Will it be
- 28:15Speaker 1: one of my best of the year. I doubt it.
- 28:18Speaker 1: I wanted more from BG and I understand if lyrically
- 28:23Speaker 1: he couldn't do more, or if musically they wanted to
- 28:27Speaker 1: recapture a time from Catch Money's Heyday, I get it.
- 28:34Speaker 2: I just I just thought it was fine. That's it.
- 28:37Speaker 1: And lastly, so first and foremost, I want to give
- 28:42Speaker 1: a big shout out to Nick, who has appeared on
- 28:49Speaker 1: that Time in Hip Hop with Us.
- 28:52Speaker 2: In the past, he's appeared on.
- 28:55Speaker 1: Apartment five V podcasts where you can see me appear
- 28:58Speaker 1: from time to time, hosted by the Homely Kill right
- 29:02Speaker 1: here on YouTube, go look it up. But he had
- 29:07Speaker 1: a great idea based off of something I kind of
- 29:11Speaker 1: saw happening on the internet about disographies and hip hop
- 29:16Speaker 1: and people debating back and forth, you know, who has
- 29:19Speaker 1: a flawless desography and who's is better, and blah blah blah,
- 29:23Speaker 1: And it's just a reason to go down, you know,
- 29:26Speaker 1: memory Lane and rank albums and really see who's really
- 29:31Speaker 1: that good, because not as many artists as you think
- 29:36Speaker 1: have really good desographies, like Wu Tang as a group
- 29:43Speaker 1: they have two, but they have way more albums as
- 29:48Speaker 1: a group, not the solo stuff. As a group, they
- 29:52Speaker 1: have way more albums than people like to talk about.
- 29:55Speaker 1: Right Better Tomorrow eight Diagram Like I kind of like
- 30:00Speaker 1: Iron Flag, but I figure some people don't. I'm not
- 30:04Speaker 1: the biggest fan of the w some people like it.
- 30:07Speaker 1: I think a great group like Wu Ting has more
- 30:12Speaker 1: misses than Hiss when it comes to their desography, which
- 30:16Speaker 1: seems bananas. But we just say that I don't matter.
- 30:19Speaker 1: You know who cares who thank forever and into the
- 30:23Speaker 1: thirty six. That's it, So all we care about. But
- 30:26Speaker 1: they are artists and groups who have.
- 30:32Speaker 2: Like some in some.
- 30:34Speaker 1: Cases like three or four classics straight and in like
- 30:37Speaker 1: in a row, or just good albums in a row.
- 30:40Speaker 1: They probably have like one Wag album or more importantly,
- 30:46Speaker 1: more good albums than bad albums. So Nick put in
- 30:52Speaker 1: our group chat on WhatsApp that bars, you know, what
- 30:57Speaker 1: is a top ten disography in hip hop? And I
- 31:02Speaker 1: don't necessarily like to do these lists because I'm never settled, right,
- 31:07Speaker 1: I feel like everything I say I'm about to change
- 31:09Speaker 1: it anyway.
- 31:10Speaker 2: So I decided I made a list of ten, but.
- 31:13Speaker 1: I decided to break it down to five and real
- 31:16Speaker 1: quickly because we don't want this to be a long podcast.
- 31:18Speaker 1: We're going to go over five discographies that if you
- 31:24Speaker 1: haven't heard all of their music, it would be a
- 31:28Speaker 1: more pleasant trip down memory lane for you to discover
- 31:33Speaker 1: artists that you may have known about for years, but
- 31:36Speaker 1: you never known them in this way.
- 31:38Speaker 2: Right. So in no order, Scarface, ghost.
- 31:44Speaker 1: Face, Killer, Gangstar, Outcasts, and EP and D now starting
- 31:54Speaker 1: off the top of Scarface. If you don't know, I
- 31:57Speaker 1: don't think Scarface has a whack album. He may have
- 32:02Speaker 1: albums you like more than others. I just don't think
- 32:06Speaker 1: he has an album that I can call whack, even
- 32:08Speaker 1: up to his latest album or his last album, which
- 32:12Speaker 1: came out a couple of years ago called Emertis.
- 32:16Speaker 2: I think that was the.
- 32:17Speaker 1: Name of it. Crazy slept on like slept on like crazy.
- 32:24Speaker 1: I just didn't see enough talk about it. But Scarface
- 32:29Speaker 1: has like his debut soul album is my favorite Scarface album,
- 32:33Speaker 1: which is mister Scarface's back. You want to hear pure
- 32:38Speaker 1: nineties gangster rap, whether lyrics are so derogatory that you're
- 32:45Speaker 1: like people played this in public the stories alone, from
- 32:53Speaker 1: height stories to you know, sex tracks that are crazy,
- 32:58Speaker 1: like the way he's talking, it's crazy, no filter. And
- 33:03Speaker 1: when you look at the cover, there's a gunfight on
- 33:06Speaker 1: the cover, right it let's cover Ever, I forget what
- 33:11Speaker 1: they call it, like a no offense to anybody's like
- 33:14Speaker 1: a Mexican showdown or something like, I.
- 33:16Speaker 2: Forget what it's Forget what it's called.
- 33:17Speaker 1: When everybody's like aiming guns in each other face like that,
- 33:20Speaker 1: whatever that's called. But it's just not the cover. There's
- 33:24Speaker 1: just so many dope records on the right. Then you get,
- 33:29Speaker 1: you know, albums like the Diary. You know what I'm saying, like, uh,
- 33:35Speaker 1: just quite honestly, I'm not even gonna go down the
- 33:38Speaker 1: list because again, I don't want to be here forever.
- 33:41Speaker 2: But Scarface has so many joints. Right.
- 33:45Speaker 1: If you listen to a best of Scarface, it's packed
- 33:49Speaker 1: with excellent tracks and it's not even all he has.
- 33:54Speaker 1: You can literally go down the line and see how
- 33:59Speaker 1: great some of his albums have been, and it's probably
- 34:05Speaker 1: maybe one or two for me personally that are the
- 34:09Speaker 1: least favorite. But you're talking about almost ten, maybe maybe
- 34:17Speaker 1: ten albums. I think he got close to ten somewhere there.
- 34:20Speaker 1: But again, the majority of his albums are crazy, ghost Face,
- 34:24Speaker 1: kill Him right out the gate, iron Man, Supreme Clientele,
- 34:32Speaker 1: Well it proved Wallets, especially the version the butleg I know,
- 34:36Speaker 1: we can't count it, but the one that was supposed
- 34:39Speaker 1: to come out even still, what was left over was
- 34:43Speaker 1: Crazy Fish Scalm.
- 34:45Speaker 2: Like we can go on and on and on and on.
- 34:49Speaker 1: And with ghost Face in particular, I think it took
- 34:54Speaker 1: him a minute to have an album that I was
- 34:57Speaker 1: like that one's okay, you know what I'm saying, a
- 35:00Speaker 1: minute for that to happen.
- 35:02Speaker 2: And his last album wasn't.
- 35:05Speaker 1: That good, right, But the one before that, ghost Face Killers,
- 35:10Speaker 1: where he kind of came back, that one was good.
- 35:15Speaker 1: I think that one did what everybody wanted this new
- 35:18Speaker 1: album to do, right. I think it was set the
- 35:20Speaker 1: tone that was the name of the new album.
- 35:23Speaker 2: But all in all, again, when you look at when you.
- 35:27Speaker 1: Get through like ghost face first five solos, you're like, yeah,
- 35:34Speaker 1: ghost Face has a serious catalog of music, you know
- 35:39Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Even the concept albums he did, even
- 35:43Speaker 1: though I didn't necessarily like the first one, the one
- 35:46Speaker 1: he did with Adrian Young, I think he did it
- 35:49Speaker 1: with I didn't necessarily like that first one, but then
- 35:52Speaker 1: the part two was good, and the part three is
- 35:57Speaker 1: the best one if you ask me so. Again, and
- 36:00Speaker 1: storytelling lyrics beats Wu Tang feeling Wu Tang features some
- 36:05Speaker 1: of the greatest verses of all times featured on some
- 36:07Speaker 1: of these supreme clientele like ghost Faces Illmatic. Basically that
- 36:15Speaker 1: just means his the best of the even though I'm
- 36:19Speaker 1: not gonna I'm not gonna talk about that, But again, ghost.
- 36:23Speaker 2: Face catalog is crazy. What else?
- 36:26Speaker 1: Gangstar don't get Me Stuck? Okay, now, the first album
- 36:29Speaker 1: it don't exist. Okay, it does. But when you listen
- 36:33Speaker 1: to Gangstar's first album, that's not the group I'm talking about.
- 36:37Speaker 1: You may listen and be like, oh, does mass appeal
- 36:41Speaker 1: on him? No words that I manifested on it. It
- 36:45Speaker 1: was a different time, It was a different Gangstar Premier
- 36:48Speaker 1: wasn't the Premier, you know, until step into the arena.
- 36:54Speaker 1: Then you start to be like, oh, this is Gangstar
- 36:57Speaker 1: just to get a rap then daily O. My favorite
- 37:01Speaker 1: Gangstar album is pure perfection. It's grown man rap before
- 37:07Speaker 1: grown man rap was a thing.
- 37:10Speaker 2: How about that?
- 37:12Speaker 1: Then Hard to Earn is probably their best album. Beats
- 37:18Speaker 1: songs it is. It is their best album.
- 37:23Speaker 2: What was after that?
- 37:24Speaker 1: They took some time off and what was the joint
- 37:27Speaker 1: that got above the clouds on it? I cannot remember now,
- 37:30Speaker 1: I can't remember, you know what I'm talking about? The
- 37:32Speaker 1: one where they ain't court or whatever on the cover.
- 37:35Speaker 1: That album was crazy. Then the one they had after that,
- 37:39Speaker 1: and even even the posthumous album after Guru had passed
- 37:44Speaker 1: that came out a couple of years ago. That premiere
- 37:46Speaker 1: put together featured the song with Jacob. That album was good.
- 37:50Speaker 1: Gangstar's catalog or discography is damn near flawless except for
- 37:59Speaker 1: that debut. That's the only thing. But that's to be
- 38:03Speaker 1: understood considering they changed as a group after that album.
- 38:09Speaker 1: Had they been doing that from day one, I don't
- 38:11Speaker 1: think they would have a whack album at all. So
- 38:15Speaker 1: Outcasts this is a note bringer when you start to
- 38:19Speaker 1: run down the different albums from Outcasts. First and foremost,
- 38:22Speaker 1: none of them sound the same. Excuse me, which is crazy.
- 38:25Speaker 1: None of them sound the same at all. Southern Playlistic
- 38:29Speaker 1: is different from at Aliens, which is different from Quemini
- 38:33Speaker 1: and Stink onea Speaker Box Love Below. They're all different,
- 38:37Speaker 1: and they're all great in their own right. I even
- 38:41Speaker 1: like Idlewi. I watched the movie. The movie wasn't that great.
- 38:46Speaker 1: You know, there's you know, it has a meme that
- 38:50Speaker 1: goes around with big Boy, like I know they remember
- 38:54Speaker 1: when it happened in the movie. I thought it's funny.
- 38:56Speaker 1: Then I know that and who I think it is? Like,
- 39:00Speaker 1: that's the best part of that movie. The movie's garbage, okay,
- 39:04Speaker 1: but I like the soundtrack, and again it's different. It's
- 39:08Speaker 1: Outcasts has always been different. So if you're into what
- 39:12Speaker 1: Outcasts is and you're not married to one version or
- 39:17Speaker 1: another of them, I mean, go ahead and treat yourself.
- 39:24Speaker 2: Go down that rabbit hole. Keep in context the time.
- 39:27Speaker 1: Look at the year when you're listening to these albums,
- 39:30Speaker 1: because a lot of times people just listen to albums
- 39:32Speaker 1: and they're not looking at the year to say, oh,
- 39:36Speaker 1: that was ninety four and in your mind you're thinking
- 39:39Speaker 1: about all everything that came out, or if you're too young,
- 39:42Speaker 1: like I don't know what came out in ninety four,
- 39:44Speaker 1: just go look up albums from nineteen ninety four and
- 39:46Speaker 1: then you can listen to that within the context of
- 39:49Speaker 1: the time, right.
- 39:50Speaker 2: That helped And last epm D.
- 39:53Speaker 1: Yeah, for a long time, EPMD was my favorite group,
- 39:56Speaker 1: hands down, until the breakup.
- 39:59Speaker 2: Because when it came I was kind of like, it's
- 40:01Speaker 2: not the same. I moved on and it hadn't been
- 40:04Speaker 2: the same.
- 40:05Speaker 1: But I believe EPMD may have like seven seven albums,
- 40:10Speaker 1: seven and eight maybe, but.
- 40:14Speaker 2: The first four.
- 40:17Speaker 1: Are so impactful and dope and really have maybe one
- 40:23Speaker 1: or two skips out, you know, like I mean, granted,
- 40:27Speaker 1: as soon as you may or may not like, but
- 40:30Speaker 1: you know, and you know what's one I'm talking about.
- 40:33Speaker 1: It's time to party. I'm talking about that as far
- 40:37Speaker 1: as skipping on unfinished business, but the whole play on
- 40:42Speaker 1: the business stuff strictly business, unfinished business, business, never personal.
- 40:48Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, business as usual, back in business.
- 40:53Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Like they just EPMD was
- 40:56Speaker 1: just so dope. The funk beats, which was the main
- 41:00Speaker 1: reason why I like them, because it's a lot I
- 41:01Speaker 1: love funk music in general from the older artists, and
- 41:05Speaker 1: that's why I liked a lot of early West Coast
- 41:08Speaker 1: hip hop because they use a lot of funk beats.
- 41:10Speaker 2: And that's why, like you hear people like MC eight
- 41:14Speaker 2: say they.
- 41:15Speaker 1: Was really rocking with EPMD because of their production, you know,
- 41:19Speaker 1: which was a lot of funk beats.
- 41:21Speaker 2: You know.
- 41:22Speaker 1: So epm D you get the bars, you get the
- 41:25Speaker 1: crazy beats again, you get the introductions of like Redman,
- 41:30Speaker 1: you get stuff like Headbanger PASTI cut like you. You
- 41:35Speaker 1: get all of these dope records. You get some samples
- 41:38Speaker 1: that you may have heard other artists use that were
- 41:42Speaker 1: used by epm D. First, you get one of the
- 41:47Speaker 1: illest guest speatures of all time with ll COOLJ on
- 41:51Speaker 1: Rampage like EPMD's catalog is pretty dope. And again when
- 41:57Speaker 1: you're going back like this, like when I do the
- 41:59Speaker 1: tear of albums, I always look at the year if
- 42:05Speaker 1: I never heard an album during the time it came out,
- 42:09Speaker 1: and I'm looking at like, oh, this was ninety one,
- 42:12Speaker 1: and I'm trying to think of what was I doing
- 42:14Speaker 1: that I missed it or decided not to in some cases,
- 42:17Speaker 1: was like I can't.
- 42:18Speaker 2: I can't buy everything. Dog y'all was rich. Kids, y'all
- 42:21Speaker 2: was rich.
- 42:22Speaker 1: I was not, okay, So it was my mother's like
- 42:25Speaker 1: like remember Doctor Strange and Infinity Woyd or in gaming
- 42:30Speaker 1: like one that was my mother.
- 42:32Speaker 2: You get one album that So I had to choose.
- 42:38Speaker 1: What I thought would be what you know that would
- 42:41Speaker 1: satisfy me the most as a hip hop had at
- 42:44Speaker 1: the time, because if I had my choice, I just
- 42:46Speaker 1: would have bought everything.
- 42:47Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. So there you have it.
- 42:50Speaker 1: What are five disciographies that you think are elite in
- 42:54Speaker 1: hip hop? Or even because I was going to do this,
- 42:57Speaker 1: or even slept on? Leave your comment some common section below.
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