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2006's Casino Royale · Off The Shelf With Phil and Dave- A Movie Review Podcast

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  Philip, last week, we, and when I say we, I mean you and me, the
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  royal we, we covered, we covered the insider.
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  Yes. The last time we did an episode,
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  yes. A live 1 and we weren't as
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  usual, in in full agreeance. No, wouldn't want it that way.
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  No one thing we did agree on was that fall, you know, very
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  embarrassing. We really felt Jeffrey Wagen
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  Wagen very good his fall and I made a joke, if you recall,
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  about watching a movie called the Fall.
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  Yep, I am currently watching a prime series.
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  The Fall. Wow.
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  Fascinating. Yeah, absolutely.
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  And it's British, OK. And we didn't realize that going
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  in, but Prime has a lot of British stuff, OK.
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  And this one stars the great Gillian Anderson, the.
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  Perfectly mediocre generic. Gillian Anderson, I don't love
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  her. I don't love her.
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  Honestly, I have no idea. I've never seen anything she's
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  ever been in. Did you?
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  Realize she was British. Well, I knew that, but I just
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  didn't care. And a little tidbit of
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  information. I don't like the Brits.
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  Really. Yeah.
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  Was it because of? No particular reason, but I, I
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  find myself just generally you don't like the right British
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  people, but OK. British comedies like Monty
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  Python I've never engaged with. I've never really enjoyed.
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  I don't really find it that funny.
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  People love not but that like consistent, like, Oh my gosh,
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  genius. I just never saw it.
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  I did watch when I was a kid. I watched Red Dwarf, which is a
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  sci-fi comedy. Yes, it's gold.
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  Yeah, it's complete gold. Blackadder, Rowan Atkinson,
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  anything he did, Hugh Laurie was in it.
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  Funny stuff. But what I like about the Brits,
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  they do a lot of mystery and that's what the fall is.
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  So a lot of cop shows, a lot of investigators do they they love
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  it. My parents have Brit Box.
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  Oh gosh, they live on it. All of it that it's like
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  non-stop. Housekeeper is just like a part
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  time detective. Yeah, exactly.
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  Why me? I watch Murdoch Mysteries now.
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  That's not British, but could be.
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  They love it too because, you know, it's a Commonwealth.
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  Yeah, exactly. There's a connection there.
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  So you're not a fan that would never watch it?
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  No. OK.
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  Not about Hercule Perot, Agatha Christie, anything.
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  You know he's French, so. That's true.
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  That's that's accurate. Yeah, I mean, I guess so.
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  I just for whatever reason, never really took to British
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  humor. In particular, I like The Office
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  the the old original Ricky. Gervais he hosted the Oscars,
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  correct? The Golden Globes, Golden
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  Globes, there it is. Yeah, a couple years in a row,
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  but yeah, just never really got into it.
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  And TV is obviously, as you know, a little bit of a sketchy
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  situation for me. OK, that's fair enough.
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  In that case, do not watch the fall.
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  You won't like it. Maybe it's the one that's going
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  to turn me around. It's.
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  Irish do like Belfast. I like Irish people.
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  OK, OK, here we go. That's a rough town, Phil.
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  That's a rough town. I don't know if you've.
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  Been there, I was in Dublin. OK, loved it.
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  The hills. My God, the hills.
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  But Belfast, at least how I was portrayed in this in 2014, it's
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  rough around the edges, fair, some bad neighborhoods.
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  So sure. Well, we saw a little bit of
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  that in The Devil's Own. I, I, I've been doing the the
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  Irish accent at work and well, my assistant manager was named
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  Danny. Oh, Danny Boy.
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  So he must hate me. Sure.
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  But that's OK. He'll never.
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  He'll never have to see you again.
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  That's right. Hello and welcome to Off the
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  Shelf with Phil and Dave, the Movie talk Show where each week
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  one of us takes a movie off our shelf, presents it to the other
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  and discusses it at length. And this week we've got coming
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  off of Dave's Shelf 2006's Casino Royale starring Pierce
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  Brosnan. No, no, Sir.
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  No, Sir. Was going to wonder.
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  I am wondering. We'll continue to wonder until
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  you tell me if you're going to give me a hard time about not
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  starting at the very, very, very first Bond movie.
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  I I'm starting at the very first Daniel Craig movie.
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  I thought that would be. I was.
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  Actually going to give you a little bit of props for that.
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  The credit goes to at least finding an entry point into a
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  series that is 18 or 20 movies in.
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  That makes some sense. I mean, I I don't know your
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  affection for Daniel Craig from that glorious movie we watched
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  Cowboys and Aliens, which was not a great film.
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  No, that was terrible. But luckily he redeemed himself
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  by Road to Perdition, if you recall.
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  Yeah, he was good. It was fantastic.
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  And absolutely. That was really the only place I
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  ever saw him. Yeah, prior to.
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  Yeah, I've seen him in a couple small roles.
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  I can't think of the names of the movies, or they were kind of
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  just. More of a Seinfeld.
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  No, no, heavens, I wish he was in that tattoo.
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  One, I was tattooed all over the Rogers store video when we work
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  together. Oh absolutely.
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  Yeah. He's fantastic in that.
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  Girl with the Dragon, I think he was nominated for nothing, but
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  he could have been. Yes, and should have been and
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  should have won. And David Fincher, classic.
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  Yeah, brilliant movie. I will argue he's the best Bond.
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  But let me tell you one thing, Philip, before we get obviously
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  into this movie, we need to share each other's history here
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  of said character. Ian Flemings, Double O 7.
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  That's the creator of this this Miss Man of Mystery or a spy
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  guy, whatever you were. Am I 6?
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  Have a couple of questions about that as we go, but yes, oh,
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  that's. I encourage questions and
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  hopefully I'm like, you all have answers.
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  Yeah, hopefully, hopefully. Let's start with you.
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  What is your history with? Double O Well, the history
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  begins here. The character is ubiquitous and
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  I have certainly seen trailers and the TBS on the weekends
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  playing Thunderball or You Only Live Twice or whatever.
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  I'm very familiar with the character, like kind of in the
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  in the very abstract and know many of the names of the movies
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  and have played even a couple of slots based around James Bond
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  movies. So I'm familiar enough with sort
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  of conceptually, OK, but I've never ever, ever watched more
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  than maybe 10 minutes of any Bond movie ever.
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  That's impressive for someone who claims a national radio to
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  be a movie. Buff.
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  Yeah, but I'm very clear about where my lines are.
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  And the lines are Yeah, I just run here.
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  Big action set piece movies hold no in you.
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  I've never seen a I've I've seen brought that up the first
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  Mission Impossible movie in the first half, maybe a Part 2.
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  And I was like, I'm out. That's it.
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  So I just never. I watched the first Bourne movie
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  and never. Yeah, you're not into the action
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  and you've enjoyed a couple of them, I think that we've brought
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  up I. Like action movies.
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  But when action is like set pieces, it's just sort of built
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  around the idea of get me from A to B to C and chase and run and
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  gun and blow things up. I don't have much interest.
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  Action movies with a little bit of.
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  Like a team. I thought there was parts of
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  that movie that I found to be kind of compelling when we're
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  sort of coming up with the plan or organizing.
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  That's definitely a movie that comes up with the.
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  Plan. Yeah, exactly.
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  However ridiculous that is, you know, the tank in the midair,
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  Yeah, it's a little questionable, but the characters
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  in that are kind of clever or interesting or whatever else.
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  But action for action's sake doesn't do anything for me.
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  This is my, I wouldn't say main entry point.
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  I did grow up with the Pierce Bronson ones.
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  Brosnan. I'm not even going to try to say
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  it right. I know there's an S before the
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  end. I know.
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  Sure. So as a kid, I mean, we're
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  talking about Goldeneye. I want to say 95, sure.
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  Die another day, 98 all in around there.
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  So my parents. Were up to late 90s?
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  Yeah. 10 or 64. You're a Goldeneye guy.
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  No, I never had the 64. OK, Yeah, but I was going to ask
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  you because that was a very popular never.
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  Even if you've never heard of the characters, it's a fun,
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  people love it. Multiplayer, you know that
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  little square in the corner on the TV there?
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  Not enough, not enough. So I think my parents were huge
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  fans, but they grew up with him. I think they watched some of the
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  Connery and stuff like that. So I was exposed to it.
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  Did like the Pierce movies, generally speaking.
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  I did watch a little bit of one a few months ago.
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  Didn't hold up, didn't hold up. But we'll talk about the effects
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  and stuff. And it's really impressive.
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  This from 2006. I thought I felt like I was
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  watching a movie from like last year.
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  It's held up really well in my opinion.
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  Even having that older technology.
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  I mean, you can tell what you're the movie is by the cell phones.
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  Sure. So when you see that early on,
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  it's like, OK, that phone 2006. Yeah, that, that lines up.
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  But I thought this one, obviously I got the 4K set, of
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  course, specifically of the Daniel Craig section.
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  Yes, I've always enjoyed them. I've watched them all and I'm
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  happy to bring off the shelf and you didn't ask, but I'm gonna
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  tell you why now. It's just the time.
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  Now's the time. Now's the time.
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  I figured you maybe needed a fix perhaps.
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  So I thought maybe a little gambling might be in order for
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  you. Yeah, that's fair.
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  I have a Vegas trip coming up for sure.
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  There you go. I've been sitting on these for a
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  while, I was in the mood. Movie almost 20 years old, if
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  you can believe it. Yeah, yeah, checks out.
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  I hadn't watched it in a while, so I thought this dude, this
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  change of pace, we haven't done an action fueled sort of movie
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  and I want to kind of get your opinion on it.
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  And I was. Hankering for it.
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  So here we are. Here we are, Phil.
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  So the first question I have for you, David.
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  Yes, you had questions is. You were speaking about him
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  being sort of mysterious and mystery man this and that,
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  right? He seems very well known by just
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  about everybody. He's introducing himself to
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  everybody. That's his thing.
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  I kind of wonder. Yeah, he's not so mysterious.
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  You know, it's like everyone he meets seem to go like, oh,
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  you're Bond, we know you. So I just wonder, like, if
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  you're a spy. Little.
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  Yeah. On the nose.
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  But you're right, now I don't think it's really a.
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  Fault. It just makes me laugh that this
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  sort of super spy, you know, like everybody knows this guy.
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  My biggest question is 1. You can't answer, which is why
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  in the infinite wisdom did this movie come out in 2006?
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  It seems built in OK that you would release it in 2007.
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  OK. Oh, is it like an anniversary
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  or? 007 Oh well, yeah, it would be
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  like the entire ad campaign and the whole poster and everything
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  about it would be double O 7. I don't understand why you know
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  you know a missed opportunity by one year by a matter of you know
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  six months. It just feels like a missed
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  opportunity because the the brand had been dormant for a few
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  years already, right Post Brosnan. 98 maybe?
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  I think 98 might have. Been the last.
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  So you're looking at 567 years. You had opportunities to
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  obviously build it up to being. Once a few more months.
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  Once a few more months, that's all.
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  Just a curiosity matter of marketing question.
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  Seems a little odd. That is a valid valid point and
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  you're right, don't have an answer.
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  I didn't think you would, yeah. Let's briefly talk about the
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  director. I don't have a whole lot on him.
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  Martin Campbell's his name. He's your uncle.
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  He's he did the Zorro's couldn't care less.
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  Never saw those. Yeah, me neither.
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  Take it easy. He did do Goldeneye, so this is
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  not his first bond. Interesting.
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  That's noteworthy. Okay, an edge of darkness with
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  the great Mel Gibson. I don't know that movie at.
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  All it's on my shelf. Okay, yeah, it's gonna come off
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  eventually. It's not very good.
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  It's one of the straight video. This is from when we close down
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  I think. I mean, snagged it.
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  Payback was the other one that came out.
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  Very sort of. That was a movie people know.
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  Yeah. That was like Brian Helgeland.
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  Yeah. Academy Award winner this.
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  Is when Mel Gibson was doing those types of movies.
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  So I think I kind of got lost in that mix.
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  I watched it once. I had really high hopes for it.
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  Looked really gritty. Hey, we'll go back to that's the
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  whole point of the show or. Absolutely yank it off the
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  shelf. See with some sticks.
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  Exactly. With some time away, it's been,
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  you know, 20 years now. I think it's time to go back.
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  But for now, that's really all I have for the director.
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  I don't know if you have any Martin Campbell exposure.
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  No, the movies you referenced, I've never seen any of them.
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  Not really a guy. You don't get out much.
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  No, what I think is interesting about talking about a director
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  and Bond is that obviously we're coming on the heels of them
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  announcing that Denis Villeneuve that.
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  Was a happy accident. We'll be directing the the next
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  one and I. Don't know about that.
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  I have my own kind of reservations around that I.
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  Was going to use the word reservations slow.
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  He's a slow. Burn guy, I think he's he's
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  incredible. One of my favorite directors.
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  He's does really great, interesting work, but I wonder
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  how that would play in this. Yeah, in this field.
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  A good Canadian boy on this Canada's birthday, Yeah.
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  Is he related to the the the driver?
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  No, OK, all right. But good question.
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  Thank you. Yeah.
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  So I wonder what's interesting about that is I haven't seen a
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  lot of obviously I've seen any of these movies, but other than
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  I think Phillip Noise directed a couple.
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  Maybe that name rings a bell. We must have done a noise we've.
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  Done a noise, Yeah, but his choice is an interesting one and
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  we're kind of curious how it goes.
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  Whereas this guy, Martin Campbell, seems completely
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  generic, like those movies don't stick out to me as being
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  interesting or compelling. Nothing I was drawn to
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  personally didn't really. And I don't think that Zaros did
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  that well, You know, first one didn't be the huge, huge, huge
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  hit, but the second one, Oh, yeah, it was.
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  That's more referring to as. Yeah, so good.
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  Yeah, worse than Edge of Darkness and not very good
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  exactly as movies. So.
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  Yeah. Well, this one was received well
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  Casino Royale not just by IMDb, but by the just the general
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  public it. Is your pool?
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  Yeah, man on the street they. Say it's one of the better ones
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  of all 26. Like I said, I have seen nothing
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  pre Pierce. Yeah.
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  Oh, nothing. No, and I like the character,
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  but I really like Daniel Craig. OK, that's my draw in.
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  And I do like an action movie as you.
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  Know absolutely every other week I got to relive the trauma.
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  Yeah. And another thing I like is the
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  gadgetry of it all. Now there there will be a
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  discussion about that. Yes, there will be.
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  Yes, some questions, we'll get there.
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  More questions, more questions. But let's get into the Casino
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  Royale and maybe we'll give the the listeners just a brief sort
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  of breakdown of the synopsis. All faithfuls.
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  Breakdown. Here we go, folks.
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  You're sitting down. After earning a license to kill
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  secret agent James Bond, Jimmy Bond sets out on his first
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  mission as Double O 7. Bond must defeat a private
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  banker funding terrorists in a high stakes game of poker at
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  Casino Royale in Montenegro. There it is.
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  That's that's exactly what happens.
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  It's exactly they. Really nailed it.
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  He does have a license to kill. See, I thought he was breaking
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  the law, but he has a license. A license?
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  He does because one of the movies way back, I'm not sure if
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  it was Moore or or Connery, one was called, I think, a license
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  to kill. The Dalton Movie.
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  That was Dalton. OK, so I thought maybe that was
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  that movie had the license to kill, but generally he doesn't.
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  But for that one he did. Sure, but apparently according
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  to this. You only live once.
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  Yeah. And you live twice, I think,
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  actually, isn't it? And this, he tries not to kill
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  people. He does try, but it tends to end
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  up, you know. I don't think he tries.
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  Yeah, he kills everybody he runs.
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  Into and I know know if that's a Craig, what he's bringing like
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  that that specific version of it.
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  Craig's a little more gritty, which is one of his.
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  Yeah, those are. Choices.
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  I I've heard when this movie was announced that the idea was to
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  make it grounded, Yeah. In ways that maybe the Brosnan
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  movies hadn't quite elevated towards, yeah.
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  And I don't know if you know know this, but each movie sort
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  of has a little intro before the intro.
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  OK, so this one starts out in black and white right from the
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  beginning. The Lion's Gate I'm assuming
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  MGMMGM. Well, there was a line, so you
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  can see how it could make. Absolutely.
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  And I swear, I was like, there's something wrong with my copy.
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  I got this box set from Wellington.
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  Yeah, I thought maybe Alexis somehow got these bad copies,
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  that somehow I had all these thoughts going through my mind
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  and I seriously, I was in the settings of my Blu-ray.
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  Player Wow, I. Hadn't seen the movie for
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  probably over 10 years. OK, but I did not remember it
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  began in black and white. OK, so you're tweaking.
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  I'm, I'm tweaking and I'm thinking there's something wrong
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  on my end and I'm fiddling and no, that's the intro zero Lutz.
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  You wanna make any comments before I go any further Cuz this
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  is your first experience, your first exposure.
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  Talk to me, Phil, what's going on in your mind?
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  I thought it's a great way to start a movie.
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  Wonderful. The black and white thing didn't
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  really necessarily trip me up or anything like that.
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  I liked the inner cutting between the sort of bathroom
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  fight and whomever this person is in the office.
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  I like the. That's double O six.
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  OK. Yeah, well, he's sure he's a
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  double. O, he's the outgoing double O
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  yeah. So this idea of who is this and
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  what is this and having him beat the crap out of the guy and I
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  thought a pretty viscerally well directed sort of sequence A.
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  Lot of porcelain. And then the discussion of the
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  first kill, like how'd that go, How you feeling?
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  And then joking about the second one's that much easier, I
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  thought, what? That's great.
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  And then another thing just about the the familiarity of
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  this character, the ubiquity of this character in in the
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  zeitgeist is having never seen any of them, that pose and
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  position of the walk and then turn into the camera and shoot.
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  Yeah, is very, very common. So much so that coincidentally,
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  I would probably most connect to that sequence through Friday the
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  13th Part 6, which actually opens in that way where Jason is
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  walking, You know, a profile turns and slashes Spoiler for
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  me. And then the blood comes out as
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  if it was as if it was a Bond movie.
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  It's that sort of iconic an image.
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  Now you can see that sort of type of scene in a quality film.
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  Yeah, you don't know anything about Fred A 13th.
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  Person, I know enough. You will soon.
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  That's my fault. Exactly.
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  But anyway, it's just I thought it's great and I thought a
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  really engaging way to start the movie.
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  I was really hooked in pretty quick.
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  Then we get a life supply of Chris Cornell.
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  That's enough for me forever, Really.
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  Yeah. Soundgarden.
• 17:58
  And is that right with Soundgarden?
• 18:00
  OK, I did have the I did have the CD from Columbia House.
• 18:03
  I was a member. OK.
• 18:04
  Those are good deals, I don't care what you say.
• 18:06
  Absolutely, it was 100%. Buy one at full price and get
• 18:09
  like a bunch like for a penny. Nowhere.
• 18:10
  They went out of business. I just giving it away, yeah.
• 18:14
  How about Mariah Carey all. Sorts of good stuff, Absolutely.
• 18:17
  I love that. Yeah, but.
• 18:18
  These tend to go on for a while, and that's always been the
• 18:21
  nature. It's nothing new.
• 18:22
  I I can't name any of the other ones other than one we'll get
• 18:25
  later, which is Adele I'm gonna spoil right now.
• 18:27
  She does one of these as well. Yeah, Well, we've got Live and
• 18:29
  Let Die, that's the Paul McCartney, which is phenomenal.
• 18:32
  We've got Nobody Does It Better, which is Carly Syne, which is
• 18:34
  phenomenal. OK, there you got Goldeneye,
• 18:36
  which is Tina Turner, which is was that Tina?
• 18:38
  Unbelievable. Wonderful.
• 18:40
  A lot of notables. A lot of notables.
• 18:42
  Again, having ever seen a movie, I know all of these songs, so
• 18:46
  the character and the impact of this series is in you.
• 18:50
  Can't hide from it. Yeah, like it's ingrained.
• 18:52
  I was really captivated and engaged in this movie from from
• 18:56
  minute one, really, because I thought the animation and the
• 19:00
  sort of structure and style of that title sequence with the
• 19:03
  clubs, the hearts, all the different cards in the way that
• 19:06
  that positioning is played out. And I really like the song.
• 19:16
  Well, Phil, let's take a trip to Uganda.
• 19:19
  If I'm saying that correctly. Have you ever been?
• 19:22
  Because they have pinball machines.
• 19:24
  I know you're a fan. I don't need to travel to Uganda
• 19:27
  to to play a game, but that's. True, you have.
• 19:29
  Good to know you have one here. Yeah.
• 19:30
  I just. I thought you'd appreciate that.
• 19:32
  But you said you didn't even see it.
• 19:34
  Didn't it's the kid playing it? Yeah, that's around the time
• 19:38
  Mads, we can call them Mads Mickelson.
• 19:41
  That sound right? Yeah.
• 19:42
  Yeah. Using one of the Star Wars
• 19:44
  films, I believe the one that's not really part of the trilogy,
• 19:50
  that one Rogue One using that. You haven't seen it?
• 19:53
  Yeah, but I don't remember him in it.
• 19:54
  I only watched the movie. Once he's like, he he made the
• 19:57
  Death Star, like he knew there was a flaw with it.
• 19:59
  OK, Yeah, So didn't care. Well, he cared.
• 20:02
  He's a good guy. He's a good guy, but he plays a
• 20:04
  good bad guy. OK.
• 20:06
  And you would think he only plays bad guys, but he's been a
• 20:08
  good. Guy OK, there you go.
• 20:10
  Fun fact, fun fact. And similar to Jeffrey's
• 20:13
  daughter has asthma. And if Jeffrey was there, he
• 20:17
  could explain to us, you know. That's right.
• 20:21
  Yeah. You can explain.
• 20:22
  It's just, it's just bad, bad air coming in.
• 20:24
  Yeah, Hey, you love the connective tissue, buddy.
• 20:26
  I do. I'm laying it up here.
• 20:27
  For you, I appreciate the. Hell out of it, and then we get
• 20:31
  really our first action piece pretty early on.
• 20:35
  Yeah, got 10 minutes in, Yeah. Yeah, and there's a lot of
• 20:39
  jumping. Parkour was a big thing.
• 20:41
  That is the term. I'm never quite sure what that
• 20:43
  is, but is that what that is? That was big then.
• 20:46
  A very big back then if you recall Die Hard 4, of course I
• 20:50
  recall the. Movie that.
• 20:51
  Yeah, the elevator. Fight sequence very.
• 20:54
  Parkourish OK, so that's what that is and then we're referring
• 20:57
  to that. And watching this, yeah,
• 20:59
  certainly jumping up and around and using the wall to jump ahead
• 21:02
  and up and so forth. Speaking of Die Hard, actually
• 21:04
  one thing we both appreciate in Die Hard 1 was showing that John
• 21:09
  Mcclane was scared of something. Yeah, he was flying in in that
• 21:14
  case, so it really made him a grounded character.
• 21:17
  Now, it's not quite the same here, but we do see in this
• 21:20
  whole sequence that he's not perfect, where this guy he's
• 21:23
  chasing is doing all the great moves and we see Bond trying to
• 21:27
  do them. I don't think it's at the level
• 21:29
  of of I have a fear, which is why I love John Mcclane's
• 21:33
  character. But at least it shows he's not
• 21:35
  like completely destructible, that he can do anything.
• 21:37
  There's a little bit of, you know, I have to push back a.
• 21:40
  Little bit but I OK. You're.
• 21:43
  Right in that it's somewhat A deficiency.
• 21:47
  But if there's a problem I have with the character, generally
• 21:50
  speaking, is that there isn't a lot of fallibility.
• 21:53
  I think that generally it's handsome too.
• 21:55
  Gorgeous man. Makes you sick, but.
• 21:59
  Nothing really. Goes that wrong, you know, he
• 22:01
  kills a guy, he gets admonished, he kills another guy, gets a
• 22:04
  little bit admonished. There's no real consequence that
• 22:07
  would let me. Push back there.
• 22:08
  A lot of women he's with end up dead.
• 22:12
  That's not great, that's sure. But I mean.
• 22:14
  Consequence for his actions. He kills somebody and M says you
• 22:18
  shouldn't have done that. We wanted him alive, OK.
• 22:20
  And then he goes and kills the next person.
• 22:22
  You shouldn't have killed him. We needed answers.
• 22:24
  OK, So there's no consequences. He gets a little bit of
• 22:26
  lenience. Although he granted, but he's
• 22:28
  only just become. This double O so I wonder like
• 22:30
  where is the lenience coming from?
• 22:32
  This is what I think, I could be wrong.
• 22:33
  I don't know the history of M and him, but I feel just because
• 22:36
  he wasn't a double O 7, there is a relationship between the two
• 22:39
  when he was, you know, O 7, you know.
• 22:42
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's obviously been in the
• 22:44
  company with MI6I imagine or my wife thought M16.
• 22:49
  So I think that's a gun. I'm like it's MI 6.
• 22:52
  OK, I see your point Phillip. But I do, but it doesn't bother
• 22:54
  me. But I don't see.
• 22:55
  Any I don't really see him as being a fallible character and
• 22:59
  he gets the chick, he gets the guy, he gets the mission
• 23:01
  accomplished and goes back to work.
• 23:03
  Like this guy is basically impervious to pain and succeeds
• 23:07
  in everything he does and he. Enjoys the pain, as we'll see a
• 23:10
  little bit later on. Absolutely so.
• 23:12
  That's not a knock on the character, but I don't feel that
• 23:15
  same level of grounded human and every man in the middle of I've
• 23:20
  seen worse. Extenuating.
• 23:22
  Perhaps, certainly, but this action sequence goes out for
• 23:24
  about 8 1/2 minutes. And as you know, my tolerance
• 23:28
  for this is pretty low where you're just chasing up and down
• 23:32
  and up and down. Although I hate to admit it, but
• 23:34
  my friend Lawrence, who mentioned a couple of times,
• 23:37
  Larry, absolutely. Yeah, shout.
• 23:38
  Out he was. Visiting Vancouver in 2002,
• 23:41
  maybe just after I had moved. He was there for a few days and
• 23:44
  we just churned out some bullshit action sequence for a
• 23:48
  Vin Diesel movie. Oh yeah, we kind of saw him, he
• 23:51
  more than I, as like, this guy's going to be the next thing and
• 23:54
  he hadn't really yet fully ascended to that.
• 23:58
  Thing and we were just like. Yeah.
• 23:59
  And we were going to have him battling real estate mogul on
• 24:03
  top of a crane battling in this, whatever else.
• 24:07
  And I'm watching this and thinking, well, this is kind of
• 24:09
  this is your your vision. This is just sort of recognizing
• 24:12
  that there is a visual flair to shooting an action sequence in
• 24:15
  the scaffolding. So here it was.
• 24:17
  It was nice to see. And you need crane operators.
• 24:20
  For the crane scene, yeah, that's a position, absolutely.
• 24:23
  And you also need a Frasier Crane.
• 24:28
  And a Martin, Don't get me started.
• 24:29
  Buddy. Speaking of sitcoms, another win
• 24:33
  for Milos. We get to a brief scene with
• 24:37
  with Mads and his beau. And she is from an episode of
• 24:41
  Seinfeld, and she played the wife of a guy named Milosh.
• 24:46
  Milosh. And there's a whole tennis
• 24:47
  thing. You didn't see it, but that's
• 24:49
  where she's from. She's not very good.
• 24:52
  She's not in this movie very much.
• 24:54
  I don't think she says a word. That's fine.
• 24:56
  But it's noteworthy. Sure.
• 24:58
  I have it here. Yeah.
• 24:59
  Yeah, Yeah. Seinfeld.
• 25:00
  Yes. But that's just a layover until
• 25:02
  we get to the Bahamas. Philip.
• 25:04
  And I know you love the Bahamas. I do.
• 25:07
  You've been. Yeah, I've almost been.
• 25:09
  But Nassau didn't come to fruition.
• 25:11
  Missed opportunity. Yeah, that's what my.
• 25:13
  Wife keeps telling me I'm like, well, honey.
• 25:15
  But what they do in the Bahamas is they drink and they gamble.
• 25:18
  But that's maybe just what we see in the in the film they
• 25:21
  swim. Yeah, swimming.
• 25:23
  Snorkeling, yeah. Yeah, not a big fan.
• 25:25
  Got a theme? Park a water park there.
• 25:26
  Yeah. OK.
• 25:27
  Atlantis. I believe you.
• 25:29
  Yeah. I believe you, gorgeous.
• 25:30
  I like this. Introduction.
• 25:31
  I like the valet guy joke. OK, that's pretty funny when
• 25:34
  he's tying his shoes and like, hey, guy, you're gonna make me
• 25:36
  wait. Sorry, Sir.
• 25:37
  Yeah, yeah, Yeah. Well, I was wondering how you
• 25:39
  felt. About that whole sequence cuz
• 25:40
  what these movies tend to do some worse than others, is the
• 25:44
  conveniences and the contrivances yeah, this is a
• 25:46
  big. Note Yeah, yeah, so.
• 25:48
  This is a little bit of it of, you know, he takes advantage of
• 25:51
  an opportunity which I think is clever totally and see.
• 25:54
  The opportunity to get action, if that's Bond all the way, I
• 25:57
  don't. Mind that and he he gets himself
• 25:59
  into the security room and pretty easily finds the disk
• 26:02
  rather easily, knows how to use it rather easily.
• 26:05
  You need to accept that on a certain level, as long as it's
• 26:08
  not too, too much. I, I personally, you know, I'll
• 26:12
  say it right now, I don't think this movie is too bad, all
• 26:15
  things considered, sure, but it does exist.
• 26:18
  And it's, it's hard to do these types of movies without a little
• 26:20
  bit of these conveniences and contrivances.
• 26:22
  But I don't think it was too bad.
• 26:25
  But what, what do you think? Cuz you're not a guy that
• 26:27
  watches a lot of these films. Is it an irritant for you when
• 26:31
  that happens? And we've talked about this
• 26:32
  1000. Times or maybe and we'll
• 26:34
  continue to. A few 100 times at this.
• 26:36
  Point, which is things like that don't typically Take Me Out of a
• 26:39
  movie because that is me. That's the movie, right?
• 26:41
  So if he's that good, then that's what he is.
• 26:45
  There could be a time where that might wane and wear a little
• 26:49
  thin and kind of roll your eyes if the scenes that that movie is
• 26:52
  supporting aren't compelling or interesting and it's a sequence
• 26:55
  of that or whatever else, right? Every movie's got contrivance as
• 26:58
  you need it to propel the story forward.
• 27:00
  If he's wrestling with a security guard for 45 minutes to
• 27:03
  get the disc, or he's sitting there pressing remote 10 times,
• 27:06
  what's the bright button? Right?
• 27:07
  That's interesting. Storytelling.
• 27:09
  Fill out it it. Becomes not a movie I want to
• 27:11
  watch, right? So yes.
• 27:13
  OK, so he's good at remotes, whatever, I don't care.
• 27:16
  There's big coincidences. And there's little coincidences,
• 27:18
  but yeah, so, so that. Stuff doesn't bother me at all.
• 27:20
  I think it's perfectly reasonable that a spy or like a
• 27:23
  person this caliber can do the things that he's paid to do.
• 27:27
  And do you think horses? Should be legal to ride on the
• 27:30
  beach. I was thinking this scene.
• 27:31
  Is very random until she gets off the horse and looks at her
• 27:36
  and like oh that's what him coming out of the water like
• 27:40
  that unneeded a. Moment.
• 27:41
  Yeah, it's just a beautiful. I could not stand up.
• 27:43
  Just a beautiful man. Now we get sort of to our first
• 27:53
  game of poker film. Yeah, you could tell I perked.
• 27:56
  Up. I couldn't stand up at.
• 27:58
  This point this is. Something I do and it's a fault
• 28:01
  of mine and I did it with One M Nights boobies glass.
• 28:05
  Where do these poker players look like poker players?
• 28:09
  And this is the waiter thing that you were.
• 28:11
  Having exactly, yeah. These guys are like, yeah,
• 28:14
  anyways, it might be. And again, I'm split.
• 28:18
  There's like a few like, OK, yeah, another night moving very
• 28:20
  good. Deepish in the archives.
• 28:22
  Yeah. And I thought generally for this
• 28:24
  table, I'm like, OK, yeah, I can see this guy, random poker
• 28:27
  player, this person here, this woman.
• 28:29
  Yeah. OK, I can buy these all as poker
• 28:31
  players, I guess. OK This is a me thing.
• 28:34
  I need to buy into the whole situation.
• 28:36
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 28:37
  It's all or nothing. You're all in.
• 28:39
  What I find interesting. We've talked about baseball and
• 28:41
  hockey, how it translates to film because of the the elements
• 28:45
  it brings. Yeah.
• 28:45
  And poker is another thing because it's it's about, you
• 28:50
  know, there's a lot of luck. There's like the cards, but
• 28:53
  there's also the bluffing, playing the player not.
• 28:55
  The not the that's the hand, right?
• 28:56
  He says that. Yeah, you stole that line.
• 28:58
  That's in the movie. It's rule 1 of.
• 29:00
  Poker right? One thing I I'll push.
• 29:02
  Back a little bit on it is what this movie does and it's a
• 29:05
  little bit more later on, but I'll just kind of plant the seed
• 29:07
  here is the illusion of skill. Like it's it's not actually
• 29:12
  skill because it ends up being the cards at the at the end.
• 29:15
  You can both play each other like and read each other, but at
• 29:19
  the end of the day, if you're both going all in, it's just
• 29:21
  about what cards you have in your hand.
• 29:23
  That's it. But the way it plays it, it's
• 29:25
  like I've somehow wished these two aces into my hand.
• 29:29
  It's completely luck. Everything, every card that
• 29:31
  comes up is luck probabilities. More than it's luck.
• 29:34
  That's the whole thing with the sheaf, right?
• 29:36
  Like that's his whole thing. The numbers is his name.
• 29:38
  He's a math guy. You, you know.
• 29:40
  The statistics. So if you're looking and you
• 29:42
  have an ACE 2 in your hand and a certain amount comes out on the
• 29:46
  flop, you're like OK, there's a 27% chance on the river I'm
• 29:49
  going to get this or a 62% chance on the turn.
• 29:53
  I'm just saying we. Didn't see the bad hands.
• 29:55
  I think we could have spent a little time on a few bad a
• 29:57
  couple 7 two hands would be to stop just to just to explain.
• 30:02
  Every minute of every possible thing.
• 30:05
  It's not dissimilar to the poker on television, which I was
• 30:08
  really big into in there. Like you were Watcher.
• 30:10
  Yeah, absolutely. What's that world poker tool
• 30:12
  with Mammoth? What's that guy's name?
• 30:14
  Helmuth tell me. Yeah, so Lock and whole lot of
• 30:18
  them. Yeah, anyway, I used to watch a.
• 30:19
  Lot of it. Vince Van Patten hosting and
• 30:22
  yeah, would you ever bet a car? With Brunson.
• 30:25
  No, no, no, don't own a car yet, so well, maybe you should play
• 30:28
  for. One.
• 30:28
  That's right, no. I love this scene though.
• 30:30
  I love poker, and I think that is incredibly dramatic and very
• 30:34
  filmic for for six people sitting around a table.
• 30:37
  You can make that work and I think this movie shoots those
• 30:40
  scenes very well. And I'm engaged not just because
• 30:43
  I like poker and because I like gambling, because it's just good
• 30:45
  film making. I just think it's an
• 30:47
  opportunity. Yeah, you get to really kind of
• 30:48
  play the the scene really well. And this is.
• 30:50
  Really like the baby scene of it too.
• 30:52
  The the main event is yet to come, so I think it does a good,
• 30:55
  good job of not making this too big, but kind of give us a taste
• 30:58
  of what the pokerness of sure, absolutely the movie would be.
• 31:01
  You get to see the. Cockiness come out and the other
• 31:03
  guy, right? Speaking of.
• 31:04
  Cockiness. Bond's about to get that in with
• 31:09
  his wife, this guy and the guy he laying out.
• 31:12
  Bond has his car now. Yeah, he's got some good lines.
• 31:16
  You know he's he's when you're that good looking.
• 31:18
  You don't even need the good lines, but he's got them.
• 31:19
  Has a woman ever looked? At you like that?
• 31:22
  Ever. No.
• 31:23
  It'd be nice, wouldn't it? It would desperately be nice.
• 31:25
  He does show great restraint, though.
• 31:27
  I don't think I could do the job.
• 31:28
  I think no, You would. Yeah, no, I agree.
• 31:31
  I would, I would be. This could wait.
• 31:33
  Yeah, the the flight. I've got time for champagne for
• 31:36
  two. Not for one.
• 31:37
  Yeah, we're gonna stick around here.
• 31:38
  For a little bit and then maybe I'll fly to where I need to be
• 31:42
  afterwards. But yeah, gorgeous woman.
• 31:45
  Yeah. Need some attention.
• 31:46
  Clearly, Bond's willing to give it to her until she finds out
• 31:49
  he's on the midnight train and he's gotta go, and we end up at
• 31:52
  the body exhibit. Is that a real thing?
• 31:55
  Yeah, it's incredible. Really neat thing.
• 31:57
  It's basically donated bodies and kind of ripped the skin off
• 32:00
  and position them in certain ways.
• 32:02
  You get to see a lot of pretty crazy and somewhat gross, but
• 32:06
  really fascinating. Yeah.
• 32:07
  This movie obviously doesn't really exploit much of that, but
• 32:11
  it is sort of an interesting place to hold a scene.
• 32:14
  Yeah. And you're like I was.
• 32:15
  There I basically saw that. Exhibit Yeah, it's really cool.
• 32:17
  You could connect to it. Absolutely.
• 32:19
  Good. So you're in, You're locked,
• 32:20
  locked in. Absolutely.
• 32:29
  Did you see Richard Branson? No, really.
• 32:31
  No, he's there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 32:34
  Didn't even want credit for being in the movie.
• 32:35
  Crazy. There you go.
• 32:37
  But we get a big sequence with Kevin Pollak's son, that's who.
• 32:40
  That is great. Just looked like him a little
• 32:44
  better. I don't care.
• 32:46
  But now we get our another big. I don't see huge, but big
• 32:50
  enough. Showcase of an action sequence,
• 32:53
  I would say. Yeah, it's absolutely it's.
• 32:55
  A big chase sequence through the airport, running and gunning and
• 32:59
  tailing, which is again this movie and movies like it have
• 33:03
  that opportunity of the pacing 10 feet behind somebody looking
• 33:08
  around you see the the color of the.
• 33:09
  Hat or the briefcase or or something.
• 33:12
  You just need something like, OK, I got it.
• 33:13
  I got it locked in so. Those kinds of things I find
• 33:16
  endlessly compelling to me. I found this scene, maybe
• 33:19
  because of its in the inside the airport part was more germane to
• 33:26
  the story. The stuff that happens outside
• 33:28
  the airport I think is action for action's sake and I get a
• 33:31
  little boring but personally. What at the end of it though?
• 33:35
  He needs to stop this because that's very reliant, like the
• 33:38
  plot is really relying on on this accident happening,
• 33:42
  obviously. And just to touch on the plot a
• 33:44
  little bit, because that's what is it's about the stocks, right?
• 33:48
  So they want to take down the plane, Mads, if you will,
• 33:51
  because he's got a lot of money. Yes, depending on on that.
• 33:54
  And they make some references to, you know, 911 and stuff like
• 33:57
  that. And it's a whole world that I'm
• 33:59
  not involved in when it comes to stocks.
• 34:01
  I don't play the game. But it makes me wonder how much
• 34:03
  of that is in real life. Like it's like, you know, people
• 34:06
  doing things they really shouldn't be doing to affect
• 34:08
  stock prices. Well, I mean, ultimately.
• 34:10
  The US has been doing that just recently with all the What's the
• 34:13
  sense I get the. Nonsense.
• 34:15
  And that GameStop. I saw something else years ago.
• 34:18
  But meme stocks, they call them, where it's just a gaggle of
• 34:22
  yeah, Internet people push a price a little high.
• 34:24
  And yeah, some people make some money.
• 34:26
  So are you content? With that as a plot for this,
• 34:29
  yeah, I think that. Ultimately, we'll get to the end
• 34:32
  and as it goes through the rest of the movie, but ultimately
• 34:34
  this movie's plot is, is it a little thin, Useless, useless.
• 34:39
  Yeah, it's. Never to me made explicitly
• 34:42
  clear what the point of any of this is.
• 34:45
  I think it's to the movies credit ultimately that it
• 34:48
  doesn't seem to really matter as we certainly get throughout the
• 34:51
  rest of the movie with Mads as a villain.
• 34:52
  Like there's just certain pieces of this movie where I just think
• 34:54
  like, So what? I don't know that I could tell
• 34:57
  you what it is beyond playing poker as he says at the end in
• 35:01
  Montenegro. Like the synopsis is no matter
• 35:03
  what the plots. Are in these movies, Phil?
• 35:05
  A few dead bodies will come out throughout it.
• 35:07
  The guy's wife was tortured and killed.
• 35:10
  Yep, par for the course. Yeah, I'd feel bad.
• 35:13
  About that he doesn't he? Doesn't, or at least he.
• 35:15
  Doesn't show that he does at this point, and it's really all
• 35:18
  James is doing. So one thing, and this comes
• 35:21
  back to the whole Superman conversation I think we've had
• 35:23
  before, is you're trying to save the world, but by doing that,
• 35:27
  you're killing people at the same time by crashing through
• 35:29
  these buildings. That's certainly a critique of
• 35:32
  the modern Superman. Yeah.
• 35:33
  Sensical Zack Snyder movie. Exactly.
• 35:35
  That's the old ones. It's not that.
• 35:36
  Yeah, this is obviously a much, you know, smaller scale.
• 35:39
  But his actions. Yeah, are causing the deaths of
• 35:42
  innocent people. And it's not really ever put
• 35:45
  into questions like, oh, OK. Well, oh, well, this is the
• 35:48
  thing. I was just talking.
• 35:48
  About the beginning the the consequence, he does this thing
• 35:51
  and M says you shouldn't have done that and he goes So what?
• 35:53
  And everyone just goes, OK, your next mission is do this.
• 35:56
  So it's not like put on probation suspension fire.
• 35:58
  Well, no. It just none of it.
• 36:02
  Matters. Yeah, there's a few times you
• 36:04
  get. Trust issue he gets, yeah.
• 36:06
  Just nothing ever really plays out.
• 36:07
  There's no consequences to it. He's good, I mean.
• 36:09
  He's good. That's what I mean.
• 36:10
  He gets a lot of leniency because he's so damn good.
• 36:13
  But throughout the series, there are points where he does get cut
• 36:16
  off. OK, that's dramatic.
• 36:18
  Actually, at this point in this movie, they started to track him
• 36:21
  because they don't trust him. Yeah, sure.
• 36:22
  What's happening right in the scene?
• 36:24
  OK Right after her death, her body was found in a hammock.
• 36:28
  You look like a hammock guy. I love a hammer.
• 36:31
  I like James. I can read.
• 36:32
  People I wish my backyard. Had it was amicable yeah, yeah,
• 36:35
  it's not. We got a great tree, but just
• 36:37
  one Yeah, put a. Like a a pillar, a pillar or
• 36:41
  something. Yeah, piece of wood, piece of
• 36:43
  wood fill up. Speaking of wood, we get on a
• 36:47
  train which used to need wood to run, I believe.
• 36:51
  No, no in the fire, but I think meeting.
• 36:53
  Eva Cole might make you think about wood.
• 36:55
  Yes, yes. She's gorge gorgeous.
• 36:58
  Yeah. And possibly an orphan, we don't
• 37:01
  know. Yeah, there's.
• 37:03
  Again, this trying to fill a back story that doesn't really
• 37:06
  seem to matter. Any thoughts around that?
• 37:07
  Little conversation. I love them.
• 37:09
  Yeah, you do. I think those.
• 37:10
  Two in particular, They're at this movie.
• 37:12
  Did you love dialogue? I do like dialogue, yes, like
• 37:16
  words. I find the chemistry between
• 37:18
  these two to be excellent. Her entering and saying I'm the
• 37:22
  money and him saying and every penny of it.
• 37:25
  I remember that there's a character Miss Moneypenny,
• 37:27
  correct? That is true.
• 37:28
  From one of the earlier. Early movies.
• 37:30
  So it's just a throwaway line that it's not like laugh out
• 37:34
  loud, but it's a chuckle moment even though I don't know
• 37:36
  anything about this movie or this character, I'm like, I got
• 37:38
  that joke. You still got the the wink and.
• 37:40
  The nod now that is one of the critiques of this movie Phillip
• 37:42
  and I don't quite share it because I didn't watch the
• 37:44
  original ones, if I can call them the original ones, the
• 37:47
  older ones, if you will. Sure is.
• 37:49
  They moved away from the actual character of Moneypenny, okay?
• 37:53
  And they moved away a lot from the gadgetry that I was gonna
• 37:57
  have. Later, which is this movie, what
• 37:58
  I know of Bond or like would I've had in my brain was
• 38:01
  gadgetry and when you mentioned it earlier, my question at that
• 38:06
  time would have been I don't see it in this movie.
• 38:08
  Is it happening? And maybe it could be right?
• 38:11
  But I remember, if you maybe Speaking of pinball, I played a
• 38:14
  lot of arcade games in the old days.
• 38:17
  Do you remember Spy Hunter? Yes, I do actually.
• 38:19
  So that is a game that to me. Was like that Bond, it's oil
• 38:23
  slicks and behind you it's it's machine gun or missiles.
• 38:26
  Even out of the front. Sure.
• 38:27
  Yeah, right. Images of what I had in my head
• 38:30
  of like a real Batmobile. Really.
• 38:31
  Yeah. Like kind of.
• 38:32
  All of these little gadgets costed powers, obviously.
• 38:36
  Kind of ripped it off years later, right?
• 38:38
  Like this is to me is. Bond and I'm watching this movie
• 38:41
  and I see almost nothing with the exception of the
• 38:43
  defibrillator yeah I mean obviously they put the the
• 38:46
  tracking device but that's not really a thing see that every
• 38:49
  day now it's. Like you know they made jokes in
• 38:51
  naked. Gun, right?
• 38:52
  It's like, oh, here's the blow dart that blocks the guy out,
• 38:54
  and here's the banana that, you know, like that's a great
• 38:56
  series. Yeah, you must have been ruined.
• 38:58
  Yeah, yeah, from, from the small trailer I saw it looks.
• 39:03
  I have my concerns. I have my, I have my concerns.
• 39:05
  Now they did this similar and we'll get into it when I get
• 39:08
  into the Mission Impossibles later, a few months from now.
• 39:11
  Just friendly heads up. There's a few of them, about 6
• 39:14
  or 7 or 8 of them. And I had the same sort of issue
• 39:17
  in the fourth one with Jeremy Renner, as we'll know from the
• 39:20
  town deep in the archives. And I'm thinking to myself, the
• 39:24
  face masks not in this one. And I really didn't like
• 39:26
  Spoiler. Yeah.
• 39:28
  And I really didn't like them. It was called protocol.
• 39:30
  And I'm like, it's protocol. Yeah.
• 39:31
  I didn't. I didn't like it.
• 39:33
  I revisited. I actually enjoyed.
• 39:34
  It's one of my favorite ones, actually.
• 39:35
  But that was sort of my initial thing.
• 39:38
  But because I don't really have all that, you know, James Bond
• 39:41
  with more. I don't really know what I'm
• 39:43
  missing. Sure.
• 39:44
  And I can tell you right now it comes back in some later
• 39:47
  versions. So they're not completely out
• 39:49
  with it with the whole Craig series, but it doesn't seem to
• 39:52
  be something it wants to focus too heavily on.
• 39:55
  And at least this one, well, I think to be fair.
• 39:57
  It wasn't something I was missing necessarily to your
• 39:59
  point, it wasn't like where's my gadgets?
• 40:02
  I just it was the three things I know it's like chicks, travel
• 40:05
  log kind of destinations and gadgets.
• 40:08
  Where in the world it's got chicks and I got travel log,
• 40:12
  where's the gadgets? Not that I needed it, but it
• 40:15
  just it was like noticeable to me that it was not there.
• 40:17
  Just one of the critiques, but if you.
• 40:18
  Do sort of read through the reviews.
• 40:20
  I don't spend a lot of time. I am curious though to see what
• 40:22
  other people think. Sure.
• 40:23
  And fans of the whole series. That was a notable thing.
• 40:26
  Here's a question for. You we're about an hour ish in
• 40:30
  and we meet Mathis. Mathis.
• 40:32
  Yep, when we're speaking. About plotting and character and
• 40:35
  so forth. I watched this movie twice.
• 40:37
  I don't understand the point of Mathis.
• 40:39
  He's just their contact in that sure town.
• 40:42
  He's just there. He doesn't really offer
• 40:44
  anything, but he's there throughout the rest of the movie
• 40:46
  he gets. The plot?
• 40:48
  He's got some Intel and he has some information.
• 40:51
  Sure, he's been watching Mad Z, so he knows what he's up to.
• 40:55
  So he's just, I know what he does in.
• 40:57
  The movie. I'm just saying, I don't really
• 40:59
  know why he's there. Well, he's they need.
• 41:01
  There's a character. He just seems.
• 41:03
  Bland to me, yeah, he's a little bit bland.
• 41:04
  He did not win an Oscar for this.
• 41:06
  You're right. So he'll be back.
• 41:08
  He'll be back, yes. Is he good or is he bad?
• 41:10
  That's the real question on this guy, and I'm not going to say
• 41:12
  anything yet. Well, we've seen the movie.
• 41:14
  You're right, he's we still don't know though.
• 41:16
  Exactly. It gets pretty grey.
• 41:18
  It's one thing they they point out as you get sort of deeper
• 41:20
  into these spy games, if you will.
• 41:22
  It's very, very, very dear guys. Absolutely.
• 41:25
  The inaugural episode is it gets a little grey of who's good,
• 41:28
  who's bad. You end up may even, you know,
• 41:30
  not realizing you're actually turning.
• 41:32
  That's kind of the fun part. To me, yeah, That that that's
• 41:34
  the intrigue that we've talked about in spy movies or yeah,
• 41:37
  even horror movies to an extent. Like these movies where the
• 41:40
  duality and the sort of whose side is anybody on and the
• 41:43
  intrigue of that I find very compelling.
• 41:45
  I just don't think in this particular movie, Mathis, who is
• 41:48
  clearly playing by the end, obviously two sides of the coin,
• 41:53
  is all that interesting or compelling.
• 41:55
  He's got some good lines. I don't think so.
• 41:57
  I hate this character. OK, well, I'm saying already.
• 41:59
  This Long story short, you don't like math?
• 42:01
  Yeah, I just think he's. Useless.
• 42:03
  OK, there it is. Medium take.
• 42:05
  Yeah, it's a medium take. It's not a hot take.
• 42:07
  It's a medium take. Here's a question.
• 42:09
  What do you understand about the hot take, Todd?
• 42:10
  You and the questions I interpreted hot take to.
• 42:14
  Be I just came up with it, not it's going to be incendiary.
• 42:21
  It was my hot take. On this is like without thinking
• 42:24
  about it, my hot take is I hate it or I love it.
• 42:27
  I think that's correct actually. So to me, a hot take is
• 42:30
  something instantaneous. You have to consider it.
• 42:32
  Wait, have you thought about this Mathis thing?
• 42:34
  Yes. OK, so it was a medium take, but
• 42:36
  I think people use it. In the context of it's going to
• 42:39
  rile the Internet or it's going to, it's a different kind of
• 42:43
  take. David, Are you ready for this
• 42:45
  take? And that doesn't make any sense.
• 42:47
  I've planned this hot. Take for a week so I don't know
• 42:50
  I. Don't know who's right let's
• 42:52
  say, but for me it feels like it should be the just hot off the
• 42:56
  press take well instead of researching.
• 42:58
  Next week's movie, like we normally do, we'll research that
• 43:01
  and let everybody know what the truth is.
• 43:03
  We'll really take our time. All right, it's time to get to
• 43:12
  the main game. Phillip, my favorite.
• 43:15
  Moment to this movie this is the bulk of.
• 43:17
  It do you have any issues with the pacing at all with the
• 43:19
  movie? Just to you know, No, I thought
• 43:21
  that. Generally it flowed really well.
• 43:23
  Yeah, I agree. I mean, I could watch people
• 43:25
  playing poker for hours, especially wearing tuxedos.
• 43:28
  My note here is. Honestly I love well dressed
• 43:30
  people playing poker in casinos for some reason.
• 43:33
  I thought you would say that. I don't know why I can read
• 43:36
  people. Going through my selection of
• 43:38
  movie posters from 25 years ago, stuff from 9899 that I'd gotten
• 43:43
  from the video store and all throughout the years.
• 43:44
  One of the posters, The Good Thief.
• 43:47
  Oh yeah, that's a gorgeous poster.
• 43:48
  If you remember the and I don't the smoke and it's gorgeous,
• 43:51
  I'll show it to you. Please do.
• 43:52
  And it made. Me think, God I.
• 43:53
  Love watching people play poker and my image throughout all of
• 43:56
  the scenes was Nick Nolte sitting at the at the table
• 44:00
  playing his Yeah. Did you find that there wasn't
• 44:02
  enough? Smoked in this room though.
• 44:03
  Are you OK with the clean air? I mean, we have asthmatic Mads
• 44:07
  in there, so we got to respect that.
• 44:08
  Yeah, that's the. I guess it's the difference
• 44:10
  between the late 90s, early 2000s and the mid to late 2000s.
• 44:14
  But no smoking sign. Smoking sign but.
• 44:17
  Luckily, there's not the. No drinking sign.
• 44:18
  No, no, no, no. Pretty standard buy in I think.
• 44:21
  I don't know. Do you go in for 10 mil?
• 44:24
  It's. A standard.
• 44:25
  It's a chunk of change we do have.
• 44:27
  Foreshadowing a little bit we got to input your account number
• 44:30
  and which she knows Vesper and then he puts in the password
• 44:34
  bond does yes, that's important to know sure and everybody does
• 44:38
  that. That's just how you get your buy
• 44:39
  in. That's how you get paid if you
• 44:40
  win and then we have of course your buddy Mathis just sitting
• 44:43
  at the bar having a drink. Just sit in the bar having a
• 44:44
  drink, observation, some commentary, which I absolutely
• 44:48
  love. But they start playing.
• 44:50
  Nothing crazy, just kind of getting the lay of the land, of
• 44:52
  course, if you will. And we get a break after what I
• 44:55
  want to say, 4 hours of playing. This is like a game of cricket.
• 44:58
  It's going to go on for a couple of days.
• 45:00
  Apparently. Those can be long game.
• 45:01
  My gosh. Absolutely.
• 45:02
  But that's no different here. Yep.
• 45:04
  And Mads Mosey's on up to his room, I guess, maybe to see his
• 45:08
  lovely lady. Perhaps.
• 45:09
  Yep. And gets attacked.
• 45:12
  Yeah. So we have this sort of set.
• 45:13
  Up that Mads is also being hunted on someone.
• 45:16
  Yeah, he owes some. Money he owes some people.
• 45:18
  Some from the whole. The stock issue, he lost, I
• 45:21
  think it was like 26,000,000 bucks, which is really why he
• 45:24
  needs to win here. That's right.
• 45:25
  Yeah. So that's important.
• 45:27
  That's why he's playing. And then Bond's playing him, so
• 45:29
  he doesn't get the money because he's funding terrorism.
• 45:32
  That's right. There you go.
• 45:33
  Nutshell. Yeah.
• 45:34
  Complete. But yeah, so he's attacked in a
• 45:36
  in a decent enough fight sequence in the hotel room.
• 45:38
  Mine. Yeah.
• 45:39
  But what I like is you. Can probably imagine is the
• 45:41
  ramifications of that. So Vesper has sort of been
• 45:44
  involved in this fight. Seen it happen and I love a good
• 45:47
  star ball scene. You've gone on record.
• 45:49
  Yeah, the fugitive. Yes, absolutely.
• 45:52
  No shooting in. That no shooting in that though,
• 45:54
  just a quick chase and it's a thing.
• 45:57
  That I did not expect in this movie is the scene that follows
• 46:01
  after so so after this battle sequence and she's seen things
• 46:04
  are certainly clearly outside of her.
• 46:07
  She's an accountant comfort zone.
• 46:08
  Exactly right. This is not, not Ben Affleck
• 46:10
  accounting, regular accounting, just straight up Bond's world is
• 46:15
  that he No blink of an eye. Kills the guy in the bathroom,
• 46:18
  kills the guy in the office, kills, kills, kills.
• 46:20
  No, he's got a license to do it. He he does and it.
• 46:23
  Doesn't matter to him. But for her, when he returns
• 46:26
  back to their room, yes, she is sitting in the shower clothes,
• 46:31
  Unfortunately. Yeah, that's disappointing.
• 46:33
  But crying? Yeah.
• 46:35
  Shaken by what she had seen. Not stirred.
• 46:38
  Not stirred. And I think that that is
• 46:40
  probably my favorite moment in the movie, which is not that
• 46:42
  surprising given my. Yeah, your track.
• 46:44
  Record, but it's. Not a scene I expected to see in
• 46:47
  this movie. So the humanity of that moment,
• 46:51
  Yeah, some softness. Was something that had.
• 46:53
  Up until that point, we're over an hour into the movie.
• 46:56
  Now you suck on a finger. I have.
• 46:57
  Not seen any of. This in any of these characters,
• 47:00
  an empathy level that ultimately won't really be seen throughout
• 47:04
  the rest of the movie. But in this moment it stops to
• 47:06
  do it. I thought very effective and I
• 47:08
  thought very moving. Just little quiet exchange
• 47:10
  between the two these favorite scene.
• 47:13
  There you. Go boring.
• 47:15
  But to me it leads. Back to this chemistry that they
• 47:17
  had in the train. Yeah, ends up playing a big
• 47:20
  role. So I'm glad that you're on board
• 47:21
  with it because crappy if you weren't.
• 47:24
  Yes. Now, Phil, being a a gentleman,
• 47:27
  not a scholar from the grades I saw, but you've been into
• 47:32
  casinos. Yeah.
• 47:33
  Yeah. Are you aware of this Tell this
• 47:35
  whole thing like when you're playing poker?
• 47:36
  OK. It's huge.
• 47:37
  And do you have a tell? Oh yeah, do tell.
• 47:42
  The reality is. Certainly in my early poker
• 47:45
  playing the tell. Was.
• 47:48
  I just would keep folding until I had a good hand, and I do that
• 47:51
  too, yeah. Right.
• 47:52
  And so the. Moment I put any money in, yeah,
• 47:54
  yeah, they know. They knew that I had something,
• 47:56
  so they just fuck it. I'm not giving this guy any
• 47:57
  money. Yeah, right.
• 47:58
  So I was not very good about reading people or whatever this
• 48:01
  guy's tells a little bit. More subtle, but not really like
• 48:04
  because he already has an eye issue.
• 48:06
  Yes, Bond. Sees the towel, knows it, feels
• 48:09
  very confident. Shouldn't have told Mathis
• 48:11
  about? It yeah, shouldn't have.
• 48:12
  This rule number one, yeah. And as a result, he loses
• 48:15
  everything. Yeah, big time.
• 48:17
  And here's the option to get five more million.
• 48:19
  But she's in charge. Absolutely.
• 48:20
  The money and she's not having. It no turn off the the.
• 48:23
  Faucet. And he's very angry at this.
• 48:25
  He is. Right, look at my eyes.
• 48:27
  I can beat him. Come on.
• 48:28
  Nothing. Doing nothing.
• 48:29
  Nothing's happening. Except, luckily, Yeah, we've got
• 48:32
  Jeffrey. Right in town.
• 48:33
  God, because we got Bond going after this guy with a butter
• 48:36
  knife. This is not going to end well
• 48:37
  for anybody. No, no one's happy to even
• 48:39
  consider doing something rash, if you will.
• 48:42
  He's young. First first mission I suppose.
• 48:44
  I suppose. But yeah, Jeffrey Wright, we
• 48:46
  love him. Another Well, I don't think he's
• 48:48
  very. Good.
• 48:49
  Wow. I don't know.
• 48:50
  He just, it doesn't really bring much to anything.
• 48:52
  I like him. I like him as a person.
• 48:54
  Happy to see him, but I don't think he brings a big
• 48:58
  performance or anything. He's a big performance.
• 49:01
  Pretty good, pretty much does the same thing every.
• 49:02
  Movie. I don't know, I like him being
• 49:04
  too. He's great and Ride with the
• 49:05
  Devil, he's great and Boardwalk Empire is great in Westworld.
• 49:09
  He's bleeding chips. Though he acknowledges he's not
• 49:11
  a very good. Poker player doesn't matter if I
• 49:13
  like him or. Not The point is he's bleeding
• 49:15
  chips. He thinks Bond has a better
• 49:17
  chance. Yeah, offers to buy him back.
• 49:19
  Yeah, and he goes. Yeah, and Matt's, he's on to
• 49:22
  him. Yes.
• 49:23
  Yeah, that's going to be a bit of an issue.
• 49:25
  So he has a bit of a plan himself.
• 49:27
  Milosha's wife. Don't know her name.
• 49:30
  Time for a little poison, I believe.
• 49:32
  Phil. Yeah.
• 49:33
  This is the whole martini. Conversation which he says I
• 49:35
  should come up with a better better name for this again
• 49:37
  inside jokey things yeah that don't mean anything to me yeah.
• 49:41
  Shaken the shirt and yeah whatever that's true that's now
• 49:44
  I think about it that is the thing yeah yeah.
• 49:46
  And. Everybody wants 1.
• 49:47
  And like, mine's like, can we just play poker here?
• 49:51
  Yeah, Take it easy. He's impatient.
• 49:53
  He's impatient. That's right.
• 49:54
  But he ends. Up being poisoned, yes, not a
• 49:56
  good. Thing not a good thing.
• 49:58
  But a good scene. I like it.
• 49:59
  I like that this sort of pretty well shot.
• 50:01
  I think he plays it pretty well. Goes to the bathroom.
• 50:04
  Chugs a bunch of salt water I think, trying to make himself
• 50:07
  throw up intake stumbling. His way through the I just
• 50:11
  thought All in all, very well directed.
• 50:12
  This guy is not a director that again has a history of anything
• 50:15
  that I have enjoyed or thought to go and seek out or whatever
• 50:18
  else, but I think he handled this movie pretty well.
• 50:20
  I'm really, the tone was solid, the style of shots so forth, and
• 50:23
  I thought this scene in particular stand out as being
• 50:25
  pretty entertaining, leading to the defibrillator at the end.
• 50:28
  Yeah, finally we get a. Little bit of gadgetry here,
• 50:31
  yeah. Which is just really an
• 50:32
  emergency kit. Yeah, not.
• 50:34
  I mean, I'm sure this thing exists in like kind of normal
• 50:37
  world as opposed to spy world or whatever, but I'm sure you can
• 50:40
  get. One there, yeah, shoppers.
• 50:42
  But yeah, little tense, little tension, because he's about to
• 50:46
  pass out and the thing's not connected.
• 50:48
  That's right. This is the.
• 50:49
  Only as much as I like that scene and the way it plays out,
• 50:52
  this is one of the problems of the character and of movies like
• 50:55
  this, is that at no point do I think that anything bad is going
• 50:59
  to happen to Bond. Well, that's not.
• 51:00
  Care because I said. If the movie kind of presents it
• 51:03
  in a way that's delivered well, I'm not just waiting, going
• 51:05
  like, Nope, yeah, not happening, right.
• 51:08
  But the tension or the levels of tension is a little bit
• 51:12
  dissipated. That's a good point.
• 51:13
  That's a good. Point, but I like it
• 51:15
  nonetheless. So cool.
• 51:16
  Exactly. I thought it was really.
• 51:17
  Well done. I think that she saves him and
• 51:19
  he gets up and he wants to go back to the back to the game
• 51:22
  like he's. Already left once and had to
• 51:24
  change because he had blood all over his shirt from murdering
• 51:27
  people. And then he's coming like yeah,
• 51:30
  he's a Corche ball. Which a funny little line.
• 51:32
  You know, that last hand nearly killed me.
• 51:34
  That is funny. Kind of.
• 51:35
  Kind of cute, but we. Get to the point.
• 51:37
  Where everyone's sort of revealing the big hand.
• 51:39
  This is it. We got about four players.
• 51:41
  The first guy has a couple pairs.
• 51:43
  I think cases over nines. I think cases.
• 51:45
  Full You know, you know. What's interesting how every
• 51:47
  time someone reveals is it's a little bit better.
• 51:49
  Of course, there's a little a little bit of, you know, Yeah,
• 51:52
  yeah. Drama.
• 51:52
  That's what it's called. Dave, it's called drama.
• 51:56
  It's what makes fucking movies go touché. 2 show making
• 51:59
  storytelling. And then there's a full house.
• 52:03
  Yeah. And then we get 2 full houses. 2
• 52:05
  full houses. One's better than the other.
• 52:07
  Aces are better than kings. Yes, I know that.
• 52:10
  But our good friend James, straight flush, straight flush,
• 52:14
  not easy to get. No, not at all, not at all.
• 52:16
  But he got it. Yep, statistically.
• 52:18
  Speaking is pretty hard to get, but that knocks.
• 52:21
  Out Mads and he is mad he's not happy.
• 52:23
  No, he's not happy. He's problematic at best.
• 52:26
  But. I love it.
• 52:26
  I love the scene poker. Yeah, high stakes.
• 52:29
  I'm all over it. Yeah, I enjoyed it.
• 52:30
  I mean, I don't. Watch, I've never watched
• 52:32
  Rounders, which is pretty much Oh yeah, sure, I imagine very
• 52:34
  focused. It's gonna come off the shelf
• 52:36
  because. That's a weird movie for me.
• 52:37
  OK, It'd be interesting to talk about.
• 52:39
  All right. Fair enough.
• 52:39
  Fair enough. But we have that sort of point
• 52:42
  of the. Where we think it's sort of
• 52:44
  over, but we both know, even as a first time viewer, I'm sure
• 52:47
  you knew it wasn't it. You sort of think, OK, the game
• 52:51
  is over, but what's the consequence of the game being
• 52:54
  over? Obviously Master doesn't have
• 52:55
  his money. Bond clearly made a fool of the
• 52:57
  Shifra. Yes, you don't want to do that.
• 52:59
  So there's consequences to. Come Mathis has been revealed to
• 53:02
  be exposed to be the bad guy. Sort of yes at this.
• 53:06
  Point. They've explained that he.
• 53:07
  Gave the tell the tell. And yada yada yada, Yeah.
• 53:12
  And then? We have a really challenging
• 53:14
  sequence to watch and to imagine.
• 53:17
  Yes, I know exactly. What you're talking about, so I
• 53:21
  have to ask you. As a married man at.
• 53:24
  What point in your? Honeymoon Did you get tied to a
• 53:28
  chair fully naked with a bit of whipping action happening on the
• 53:33
  actually by that? Point mine were already in a
• 53:35
  jar, so none of that already really safe.
• 53:41
  Yeah, harmless, sealed up, done. You know, when I first watched
• 53:46
  it, I didn't clue into what was happening.
• 53:48
  Okay. And then I realized, oh, wait a
• 53:50
  minute, they cut out the bottom of the chair of the chair.
• 53:53
  Man, I get it. And he has some fun with it,
• 53:56
  despite the pain. He tries to, you know, get an
• 53:59
  itch. Yeah.
• 54:02
  What would have happened if Mr. White didn't come in?
• 54:04
  You know, we'll never know. Yeah, that.
• 54:06
  We can envision it. We can think about it in our
• 54:09
  minds. Yes, yes, as I often do.
• 54:11
  But yeah, a little bit of luck there.
• 54:13
  Yeah. This is a sequence where I.
• 54:15
  Really like the torture stuff. Yeah, I.
• 54:18
  Really hated that it ended. You want some more?
• 54:21
  One more web. I mean he's about to feed the
• 54:24
  balls to him. So I think it's the point we
• 54:25
  need to someones got to put a stop.
• 54:28
  This is a fundamental problem I have with.
• 54:29
  It is. Mads is the villain for all
• 54:32
  intensive purposes. Everything that we've seen in
• 54:34
  this movie is Mad's the bad guy. He's the main bad guy.
• 54:36
  Right, correct. Maybe it's a trope of the
• 54:38
  series, right? I've only seen this one so but
• 54:41
  the fact that he gets a bull in his head with only 30 minutes
• 54:44
  left in the movie after all that we've been watching, I was
• 54:47
  thinking a this villain sucks. Like as a bad guy, he's no
• 54:52
  threat. He doesn't, other than the
• 54:54
  whipping like the torture scene, actually kind of weak.
• 54:57
  In a few spots. Right.
• 54:58
  He's getting beat up. He's getting beat up.
• 55:00
  Exactly. He's got an eye thing.
• 55:01
  Yeah. So as a villain, I'm thinking
• 55:03
  like, there's no dastardly plan. There's no, you know, I think
• 55:07
  Doctor Evil. Doctor Evil.
• 55:08
  Exactly. Right.
• 55:09
  It's my only. Kind of frame of.
• 55:10
  Reference right like who is the big bad and the fact that like
• 55:14
  I'm watching this movie even at that point kind of wondering who
• 55:16
  is this guy and why is he a threat to the point where he's
• 55:20
  removed take him out he's. Out within 30 minutes.
• 55:23
  Left I'm just like the movie lost a little bit of I don't
• 55:27
  want to say credibility, but just interest.
• 55:29
  I was just sort of like, what am I watching?
• 55:30
  Why did I even care to begin with?
• 55:32
  And what they sort of replace him with.
• 55:34
  It's a big isn't that interesting.
• 55:36
  We talked before earlier where Bond is girls and travel log and
• 55:41
  gadgets. A fourth thing, I suppose,
• 55:44
  having not seen any of them, it is the villains.
• 55:47
  I think about Christopher Walken.
• 55:48
  He was a bad guy in one of them. Jonathan Price was in one of the
• 55:51
  Brosnan movies. He was a bad guy, but much
• 55:55
  different character than he. Was in Glengarry but I don't
• 55:58
  know the. Villains quite so much.
• 56:00
  But anyway, I felt like this was a real anticlimactic kind of way
• 56:03
  to happen. The scene and the fact that it
• 56:06
  gets him out of a bind is sort of like, yeah, I mean, that's
• 56:09
  movies again. You have to do it you.
• 56:11
  Said it's not anybody, but it's sort of like.
• 56:14
  You kind of released the with 30 minutes left.
• 56:17
  What's left to do? This is more of a you thing to
• 56:19
  me. Thing when that you typically
• 56:21
  has an. Issue like this, I need the
• 56:22
  hero, you need the bad guy. I just need the reason to be if
• 56:26
  you're going to be a bad guy, let it be a bad guy.
• 56:29
  He's bad guy. He's not very nice.
• 56:31
  So he's he's bad? I never got the impression.
• 56:33
  He was that bad. Well, nonetheless, he doesn't
• 56:35
  even. Do the killing like.
• 56:36
  You're saying like White did the killing or the guy he gets beat
• 56:38
  up like he's not anyway. Well, regardless, Phil.
• 56:41
  He's been dispatched. Yeah, yeah.
• 56:43
  Same with Mathis. Not yet.
• 56:44
  Not yet, no. He's fine.
• 56:47
  Mathis is fine. I don't want you to worry about
• 56:49
  Mathis. Sure.
• 56:50
  OK. For sure.
• 56:50
  Your best buddy is going to be a OK.
• 56:57
  Now you've talked about the chemistry between Jimmy, if I
• 57:02
  can call him Jimmy and her Vesper.
• 57:05
  Vesper. Yeah.
• 57:06
  Yeah. And they have a scene together.
• 57:09
  He's recovering. So let's let me lay it out for
• 57:11
  you, maybe in layman's terms so you can understand he's in a
• 57:15
  chair on a lawn. With a bottom sitting.
• 57:21
  Yeah, he's got that. Going for him, the gentleman, I
• 57:24
  believe he was Swiss, correct me if I'm wrong.
• 57:26
  Not that it's very important. Comes and they do the whole
• 57:29
  money thing. He won 10 million bucks
• 57:31
  passwords in and they kind of fall in love really right then
• 57:35
  and there. His armor is down, Philip.
• 57:38
  Yeah. Do you have armor?
• 57:40
  And if so, do you wear it? No.
• 57:43
  OK. I thought maybe you had
• 57:44
  something in the closet there. No.
• 57:46
  All right. No armor.
• 57:47
  For me, no. OK, no.
• 57:49
  Just like an emotional armor sometimes, yeah.
• 57:51
  If you really have to get to know me to every once in a
• 57:54
  while, I'll open it up for you. Yeah.
• 57:56
  I don't care. He he claims.
• 57:59
  He claims his armor's gone. Yeah.
• 58:02
  They they're. Gonna kiss.
• 58:03
  They do kiss. And thus begins this whole sort
• 58:08
  of do I want to say a montage? Not quite a montage.
• 58:12
  But I would say it's a it's a bit of an epilogue.
• 58:14
  Yeah. OK, there we go.
• 58:15
  Impression that the movie's over.
• 58:18
  Yeah, The bad guy's been dispatched.
• 58:20
  Yeah, they're on the beach. They're.
• 58:21
  Having a great time, he says. I love you.
• 58:23
  Puts that Maza ball out there. Yeah.
• 58:25
  And they're just in love, basically.
• 58:28
  Yeah, I've talked already about. The sort of chemistry.
• 58:30
  Between the two, yeah. Did I buy it?
• 58:31
  That's what you're asking, right?
• 58:33
  Because I know I bring this up. Yeah, Pretty regularly.
• 58:36
  Yeah. Not quite quite.
• 58:38
  It was close. Trunk.
• 58:39
  No trunk. What's your?
• 58:40
  What's your? Take on now had they been in the
• 58:42
  actually those two in a trunk at this point I think that would
• 58:45
  have actually helped OK yeah I thought their chemistry was just
• 58:48
  fine I thought taking it to that next big stage I felt like there
• 58:52
  was a bit of a gap OK like he's. So ready to commit to her.
• 58:56
  Like with the agency, there needs to be a few dates.
• 58:58
  Here first, you know, let's go out, let's see them.
• 59:00
  Let's go have some chicken minute for a minute, yeah?
• 59:02
  There we go. But nonetheless, I mean, it
• 59:04
  didn't, you know, at this point I'm I'm in too deep, I'm too
• 59:07
  invested in this movie to really care too much about that.
• 59:10
  But we are coming up in the last 20 minutes.
• 59:13
  Yeah, her saying. Things like you're more than of
• 59:15
  a man than anyone I've ever met. Yeah, that was a little.
• 59:17
  Bit there's a little bit of. Like, you know, young love or
• 59:20
  like maybe you are feeling something like that, but that's
• 59:22
  a little extreme for maybe where they're at.
• 59:24
  Yeah, I mean that's happened to. Me, like girls have said, of
• 59:26
  course to me, no, no girls are saying.
• 59:28
  But you also find out later that that could also be a little
• 59:31
  manipulating. A situation at what?
• 59:33
  Point. Or did you ever suspect Vesper
• 59:38
  as being a little off with her intentions?
• 59:40
  No, no, no. Because you have the red
• 59:42
  herring, what turns out to be the red herring of Mathis,
• 59:45
  right? So he is the double agent.
• 59:47
  He's the turncoat. He's the one that's on the
• 59:50
  inside that's supposed to be not, you know, whatever else.
• 59:52
  So. So you were fooled.
• 59:55
  Totally. Never even really.
• 59:56
  Considered I bought this relationship pretty hard.
• 59:58
  Like, I was like, yeah, this makes sense.
• 1:00:00
  I watched the movie. Twice.
• 1:00:02
  And I did buy into the whole herb, doing things that you
• 1:00:06
  wouldn't out of character. The second time, I really paid
• 1:00:09
  attention to all the dialogue of it.
• 1:00:10
  Yeah, yeah. What they were.
• 1:00:12
  Saying that she didn't really have a choice.
• 1:00:14
  And, you know, her intention wasn't to hurt anybody.
• 1:00:16
  Yeah, but she was in a bit of a, she didn't bind, definitely.
• 1:00:19
  Definitely. In a bind, Yeah.
• 1:00:20
  She didn't knot. She got this.
• 1:00:22
  She got a knot, yeah. Exactly what do you think about
• 1:00:25
  the guy with the missing sunglass lens?
• 1:00:28
  Why would you have that look? Like put the other one in what?
• 1:00:31
  I don't know. I didn't get that well, I mean
• 1:00:33
  just. To look evil.
• 1:00:34
  It's very common if you're have like a glass eye in some cases,
• 1:00:38
  or a lazy eye or things like that.
• 1:00:40
  Yeah. You want to train it so you have
• 1:00:42
  glasses. OK, that's just interesting.
• 1:00:44
  Choice to put that character in in the movie.
• 1:00:46
  Well, I know, I think it's. Basically, because you've got
• 1:00:48
  Mads who's got the eye thing. So there's almost like this sort
• 1:00:52
  of yeah, reality of did he really die?
• 1:00:54
  Or like, I think that's playing on that because he didn't look.
• 1:00:56
  Anything like Mads at all? Got an eye thing?
• 1:00:59
  Got a hat? I have a question.
• 1:01:01
  Before we get too far along here, that.
• 1:01:04
  While I. Didn't notice or think of
• 1:01:06
  anything untoward when it came to Vesper.
• 1:01:10
  What I did notice throughout the entire movie was the amount of
• 1:01:15
  Sony products. Did you notice that I noticed
• 1:01:17
  the? The phone, Sony Air, the iPhone?
• 1:01:19
  Yeah, the vow. Laptop that he sends the e-mail
• 1:01:22
  from yeah there was two other examples of Sony like products
• 1:01:27
  and I remember that Sony owns Columbia.
• 1:01:29
  I was just happy not seeing. An iPhone?
• 1:01:31
  Sure. Exactly.
• 1:01:32
  You know what I mean? Absolutely.
• 1:01:33
  Now, when you look back on everything that's been said at
• 1:01:37
  this point, as far as we can tell, everything is still hunky
• 1:01:39
  Dory. They're in the hotel room and
• 1:01:41
  they need a little bit of cash. He's got to do the supply run.
• 1:01:45
  Yes. And she's going to take care of
• 1:01:46
  the bank. Yeah.
• 1:01:48
  Gets a weird phone call. Though.
• 1:01:50
  Yeah, about the money from the. Swiss guy, yeah.
• 1:01:52
  And then M. Calls.
• 1:01:53
  Yeah, she's saying my. Guy's here.
• 1:01:54
  Where's the money? Yeah, you're going to deposit
• 1:01:56
  soon. I'm not.
• 1:01:57
  I'm not worried, but yeah. But as far as Bond's concerned,
• 1:02:00
  it's already taken care of. It's taken.
• 1:02:01
  Care of SO. That check cleared they.
• 1:02:04
  Brought that. Contract.
• 1:02:04
  Track down to the bank. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:06
  Ask Williamson. He knows exactly.
• 1:02:09
  He took care of it. And.
• 1:02:12
  As far as Bond's concerned, he's been double crossed.
• 1:02:14
  Yeah, again. Yep.
• 1:02:16
  Jeez, poor guy. Yeah.
• 1:02:17
  Yeah. And such a break.
• 1:02:19
  You can't. Luckily, she's wearing a red
• 1:02:21
  dress. That helps.
• 1:02:22
  Yes, you said earlier, right? You find that thing and you're
• 1:02:25
  going to track her down exactly so we think.
• 1:02:27
  That she's turned, yes, she's bad now.
• 1:02:30
  Knowing what we know now when he's chasing her or following
• 1:02:34
  her wasn't a chase. She was a pure follow.
• 1:02:36
  Yeah, he gets seen. OK.
• 1:02:38
  Yeah. She was about to get let go.
• 1:02:40
  Here's your money. She walks away, mission
• 1:02:43
  accomplished. She lives, he gets noticed.
• 1:02:46
  Oh, I got to take her hostage now.
• 1:02:48
  And ultimately, that leads to her demise as machine guns.
• 1:02:52
  Coming in now too. Like the whole thing blows out
• 1:02:54
  of proportion bond. Is smarter and doesn't get seen.
• 1:02:57
  She lives. Yeah, probably.
• 1:02:59
  And he'll find. Out oh I had to do it OK we can
• 1:03:02
  repair the this trust because of the whole thing anyways she dies
• 1:03:08
  she want to talk about I hated the action sequence.
• 1:03:11
  Did you? I thought it was.
• 1:03:12
  I was. I was.
• 1:03:13
  Done. At that point I was like, wrap
• 1:03:14
  this up, I don't need this. It's trying to be cool with the
• 1:03:17
  whole, with the water and the water rise in the building
• 1:03:20
  falling. Yeah, it's clever.
• 1:03:22
  Sure, I'm good. Her choice to kind of sacrifice
• 1:03:27
  herself seemed a. Little.
• 1:03:29
  Out of line with where we're at, Yeah, I still think she can.
• 1:03:33
  Live. Yeah.
• 1:03:34
  You know, this could have been a thing, yeah.
• 1:03:36
  I knew it. Has to happen because I've seen
• 1:03:38
  the rest of the movies so I understand it.
• 1:03:41
  Sure, from that's in. Hindsight, it doesn't have to
• 1:03:43
  happen. She could live and then the
• 1:03:44
  movies are just something else better.
• 1:03:46
  Actually better maybe right? Like I don't know how it.
• 1:03:48
  Factors into the other ones. I just feel like what a it just
• 1:03:52
  was an interesting choice to to have her kill herself.
• 1:03:54
  I know they want to set. Up his character character to go
• 1:03:57
  into revenge mode so keep that in mind but I did think it was
• 1:04:01
  shot well. Like her death scene was good
• 1:04:05
  that way the underwater. It was fairly evocative too.
• 1:04:07
  I just was like I don't know why this has happened but it
• 1:04:09
  happens. It happens.
• 1:04:11
  We can't change it now and they made a very strong point of
• 1:04:14
  letting us know she wasn't really a bad person, she was
• 1:04:16
  just putting it back. Yeah, they do try and say.
• 1:04:18
  That right, and the whole conversation.
• 1:04:19
  M's having on the phone, he still doesn't care.
• 1:04:22
  He still says the B word. Yeah, it says.
• 1:04:23
  Job's done. Bitch is dead.
• 1:04:25
  Yeah, quote UN quote. Yeah, and then he goes.
• 1:04:28
  The phone looks at it. Sony Ericsson, Yeah.
• 1:04:31
  And finds out that her last message or whatever was sent to
• 1:04:34
  this Mr. White person. Well, he's thinking at this.
• 1:04:36
  Point She left the phone there on purpose because it's a cry
• 1:04:39
  for, you know, sure, I've done avenge me kind of thing.
• 1:04:42
  Exactly. Yeah, Yeah.
• 1:04:44
  And he does. So we see Mr. White on a
• 1:04:46
  beautiful island. Gorgeous.
• 1:04:48
  God damn, Denver. I think, yeah, he might have
• 1:04:50
  been right. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:04:51
  Bahamas in Denver is the yeah next spot on that travel log.
• 1:04:55
  Right by the water in Denver, by the ocean.
• 1:04:59
  And he shoots him. In the leg, he gets shot in the
• 1:05:01
  leg, I should say I thought it was the foot, but it.
• 1:05:03
  Looks like it was the leg. I thought it was the foot.
• 1:05:05
  I don't know femur. And then we get the iconic line.
• 1:05:10
  He's in his tux. Yeah, that's the one.
• 1:05:11
  Standing over. High ground, yeah.
• 1:05:15
  And. Introduces himself and then we
• 1:05:18
  go to Black. I'd say two things.
• 1:05:20
  First of all I thought who the fuck is Mr. White and why do I
• 1:05:24
  care given the fact that we spent the whole movie with this
• 1:05:26
  Mads person and this Mr. Wiper seems to be periphery at best.
• 1:05:30
  I didn't really kind of clock him throughout.
• 1:05:33
  Like as a you're so small minded, Phil.
• 1:05:35
  As a guy. So the reveal, if you can call
• 1:05:38
  it that, didn't really excite me or leave me, you know, like, who
• 1:05:42
  is this guy kind of thing? However, I love that he gets
• 1:05:46
  shot. I love the introduction, going
• 1:05:48
  to black. And ultimately I found myself
• 1:05:51
  intrigued. This is a Halloween.
• 1:05:53
  Situation, yeah, I was like. I want to see the next one
• 1:05:55
  because there it is. I thought this was really good,
• 1:05:58
  like, you know, not exceptional. There's there's faults and flaws
• 1:06:01
  and, you know, things that, you know, didn't really connect and
• 1:06:03
  yeah, not a masterpiece, not a masterpiece, not perfection, but
• 1:06:06
  like I thought really engaging, really well put together.
• 1:06:09
  And as much as the plotting is a little bit loose for my taste.
• 1:06:14
  Yeah. For your taste.
• 1:06:16
  You have a taste. I thought it it delivered on the
• 1:06:18
  things that I expected it to yeah, for that type of movie and
• 1:06:21
  wasn't deficient enough in the other things to to hurt it.
• 1:06:25
  So I was like, I'm I found myself completely engaged.
• 1:06:28
  So by the end of it, I was like, I'm into whatever the next of
• 1:06:31
  this is. Like I don't know how they play
• 1:06:33
  into one another or if you have a niche.
• 1:06:35
  I just thought. Like, yeah, like it was maybe
• 1:06:37
  it's like Halloween where it's sort of like, I have no idea
• 1:06:39
  what the next one of these is. And if my understanding of
• 1:06:41
  Blonde is it's just another, you know, new story, new story, new
• 1:06:45
  story, new villain. Yeah.
• 1:06:47
  Like Reset. The.
• 1:06:48
  Clock and do it again and reset the clock and do it again in a
• 1:06:50
  different town with a different girl and a different villain and
• 1:06:53
  like, that's your go to France. You go to like kind of.
• 1:06:56
  Rinse, repeat. But if this was made, I thought
• 1:06:59
  was such quality that I'd be curious to see what the next
• 1:07:01
  version of that is. So I'm, I'm into it, I really
• 1:07:05
  enjoy it. Well, I guess the question is,
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  is it going? To be better than Halloween too.
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  The next one, Yeah, sure, that is going.
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  To be a question. Well, maybe we'll find out soon.
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  Yeah, could do now, David, you. You have some experiences, you
• 1:07:15
  said, coming off of the Brosnans into this you're familiar with
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  where's this rank now, kind of having rewatched it back in the
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  mix, similar? To what you said, it's just a
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  really solid movie film wise. Like it hits all the beats, well
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  paced, interesting enough. I'm I'm good with the plot.
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  I think it was well edited. I think it did the big scenes
• 1:07:34
  when it was time to do a big scene, quieted down a little
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  bit, had some good dialogue, pushed the story forward, wasn't
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  too confusing. I find sometimes these can be a
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  little confusing. So intricate a plot.
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  Yeah. A lot of players, a lot of names
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  being thrown. Mr. Wade, who is this guy?
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  I don't know. Well, I see.
• 1:07:50
  I have some knowledge because obviously I've seen all of them.
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  And I will say, you know, this is not a hot take.
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  I've known this for a long time. I do consider this probably one
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  of the better Bond movies that I've watched.
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  Maybe not the best. Time will tell.
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  Definitely not the worst. So it was overall pretty solid
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  film. I was happy to watch it.
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  I'm really happy to hear that you you enjoyed it.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Much. More than I thought I was going
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  to. Wonderful, I think.
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  That's a big take away. Yeah, I'm happy to do it.
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