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No, Joe Scarborough Didn't Murder Anybody · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 1: Winter Insurance, spit at this or I'm a check out
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  Speaker 1: and speedatchr th is Wait. Hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy
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  Speaker 1: the Show. I'm Adam Todd.
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  Speaker 2: Brown, Laura Crawford.
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  Speaker 1: You are Laura Crawford. How's it going?
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  Speaker 2: Thank you? Uh, it's been kind of a tough week.
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  Speaker 2: We got some bad news in the LA comedy community.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you heard.
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  Speaker 1: I did.
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  Speaker 2: One of my friend good friends, Richard Bain, committed suicide,
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  Speaker 2: which is very awful. Richard and I work together a
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  Speaker 2: lot on farms and doing other stuff, and he's probably
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  Speaker 2: one of the people I've spent the most time with
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  Speaker 2: over the last year. So it's big, it's surprising, and
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  Speaker 2: it's very sad. He's a big fixture in the Portland
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  Speaker 2: and LA comedy community. You want to check out his stuff.
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  Speaker 2: He's hilarious.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're with us. Sadly, it seems like there's been
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  Speaker 1: an LA comedian who's committed suicide like once a year
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  Speaker 1: since I've been out here. And I can't imagine any
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  Speaker 1: other job where I mean, I'm sure there are plenty
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  Speaker 1: of other jobs.
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  Speaker 2: Where soldier soldier.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's just mental illness runs so rampant among comedians,
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  Speaker 1: not us though.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and also I think this is speculated, but a
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  Speaker 2: lot of times people I know, at least two of
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  Speaker 2: the people I know, seems to be related to drug
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  Speaker 2: and alcohol binges. But that's not important, No, it is,
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  Speaker 2: it is important. And yeah, it's very sad, and we're
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  Speaker 2: all in quarantine, so there's a limited amount of shit
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  Speaker 2: you can do for this. Yeah, but yeah, if please
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  Speaker 2: reach out to people, you know, if you are having
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  Speaker 2: any sort of self harm thoughts, especially since we're also isolated,
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  Speaker 2: good to know.
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  Speaker 1: And if you're having thoughts about whether Joe Scarborough murdered
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  Speaker 1: one of his aids in two thousand and one, up
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  Speaker 1: me and Laura. How about that for a segue.
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  Speaker 2: I know you're like, oh, we're already, Energy's already knows time.
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  Speaker 2: And this was pull this plane back up, daddy, I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna pull out to what is it a fucking I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna be Denzel Washington in flight, which is movie I
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  Speaker 2: saw right before moved to la very scary. Uh, just
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  Speaker 2: slip this plane around terrible. Let's move from tragedy to tragedy.
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  Speaker 2: Let's make a lateral move and talk about our most
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  Speaker 2: recent thing the President wanted to talk about rather than
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  Speaker 2: Memorial Day or one hundred thousand dead from coronavirus. Is
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  Speaker 2: Joe car Burrow hey murderer? Joe Scarborough murderer?
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  Speaker 1: Is Joe Scarborough a murderer? That's the question on everyone's mind,
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  Speaker 1: Just joking mostly Trump.
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  Speaker 2: Did bicho Joe in cold blood bashed the skull of
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  Speaker 2: a skank intern he was plowing on his desk in
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  Speaker 2: Florida in two thousand and one.
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  Speaker 1: While he was in Washington for stick.
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  Speaker 2: Is that big? He's fucking a woman in Florida and
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  Speaker 2: bashing her head against the desk and killing her. Now,
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  Speaker 2: But that's what we're gonna talk about today. This recent
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  Speaker 2: conspiracy tweeted by one the President, Donald J. Trump, alleging
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  Speaker 2: that MSNBC host show Scarborough is a murderer.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, He's tweeted this four times in May alone. He's
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  Speaker 1: tweeted about this. He's really adamant that this is a
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  Speaker 1: cold case and an unsolved mystery that needs to be
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  Speaker 1: looked into by Comcast was the first person he said
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  Speaker 1: should investigate it. And it's like, what the fuck's Comcast
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  Speaker 1: gonna do?
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  Speaker 2: Pal the Comcast believe they're gonna charge you for your
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  Speaker 2: router and arrest you for murder. I was gonna say
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  Speaker 2: I make this pointer later on, but uh, I do
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  Speaker 2: love how Donald Trump tweets about this as being both
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  Speaker 2: an unsolved mystery and a cold case, just to point
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  Speaker 2: out that he's been watching a lot of CBS.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I'm not here to disparage CBS. They
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  Speaker 1: do have some good shows. But he's wrong. This is
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  Speaker 1: not a cold case at all.
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  Speaker 2: Can we apply any law in order.
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  Speaker 1: That's an NBC show crawfit? Pull it together? Come on?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So Donald Trump has been tweeting about this like
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  Speaker 2: mad recently, and I like to read his tweets. We
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  Speaker 2: can just see who does these better with these. May fourth,
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  Speaker 2: he said, comcasts should o belong overdue Florida cold case
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  Speaker 2: against Psycho Joe Scarborough. I know him and crazy Mika.
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  Speaker 2: Well use them beautifully in the last election. Dump them nicely,
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  Speaker 2: and we'll state on the record that he is quote
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  Speaker 2: unquote not Besides bad writings, hashtag open Joe cold case.
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  Speaker 1: May twelfth, he tweeted, when will they open a cold
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  Speaker 1: case on the Psycho Joe Scarborough matter in Florida? Did
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  Speaker 1: he get away with murder. Some people think, so, why
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  Speaker 1: did he leave Congress so quietly? Isn't it obvious? What's
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  Speaker 1: happening now? A total nut job that sounded more like
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  Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders.
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  Speaker 2: A total not job. On May twenty fourth, Road a
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  Speaker 2: lot of interest in the story about psycho Joe Scarborough,
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  Speaker 2: a young marathon runner, just happy to fin in his office,
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  Speaker 2: hit her head on his desk and die. I would
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  Speaker 2: I think there's a lot more to the story than
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  Speaker 2: that an affair. What about the so called investigator? Read story?
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  Speaker 1: And then on May twenty sixth, he tweeted the opening
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  Speaker 1: of a cold case against psycho Joe Scarborough was not
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  Speaker 1: a Donald Trump original thought. This has been going on
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  Speaker 1: for years, long before I joined the chorus in twenty sixteen.
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  Speaker 1: When Joe and his wacky future ex wife Mika would
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  Speaker 1: endlessly interview me, I would always be thinking dot dot dot.
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  Speaker 1: He is right about that part. He's not the only
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  Speaker 1: person who has pushed this conspiracy theory over the years. No,
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  Speaker 1: but none of those people have Rooven it either.
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  Speaker 2: No, No, it's Forriven anything. So in looking into this story,
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  Speaker 2: we have to go back to twenty seventeen, when Donald
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  Speaker 2: Trump first tweeted about it, and he said, now that
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  Speaker 2: Matt Lauer is gone, when will the fake news practitioners
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  Speaker 2: at NBC be terminating the contract of Phil Griffin? And
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  Speaker 2: will they terminate low ratings Joe Scarborough based on the
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  Speaker 2: quote quote unsolved mystery that took place in Floridy years ago. Investigate. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I love he wants someone to be canceled for low
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  Speaker 2: ratings more than the fact that they're a murderer.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he keeps going back to low ratings constantly.
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  Speaker 2: But seriously, he's just like, yeah, just canceled at mother buger.
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  Speaker 2: Plus he's a murderer.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. When he tweeted about it back then, the Washington
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  Speaker 1: Post reported on it, and they figured out that he
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  Speaker 1: was referring to the two thousand and one death of
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  Speaker 1: Louri Clausutus was a twenty eight year old aide who
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  Speaker 1: worked for Scarborough at the time when he represented Florida's
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  Speaker 1: first congressional district.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this wasn't a thing that a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: knew about, so they did have to do a little
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  Speaker 2: digging to figure out what the fuck he was even
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  Speaker 2: talking about, because again, the only one at the time
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  Speaker 2: talking about it. So yeah, Lurie was working for Scarborough,
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  Speaker 2: but this is a weird time in the Scarborough story.
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  Speaker 2: So the time of her death, authorities concluded that she
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  Speaker 2: died after losing consciousness from abnormal heart rhythm and collapse,
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  Speaker 2: striking her head on a desk, And the death was
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  Speaker 2: in the office of Jesscarborough.
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  Speaker 1: Right, but it was in his satellite office in a
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  Speaker 1: different county, so it wasn't an office he used frequently.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so this was kind of a well, I don't
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  Speaker 2: know how this lines up in the timeline with Gary
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  Speaker 2: Condit in Schondra Levy.
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  Speaker 1: That's the thing we have. I have some stuff in
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  Speaker 1: the notes later about the comparisons between the two, and yeah,
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  Speaker 1: chronologically they line up really well. We just did an
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  Speaker 1: episode of this podcast about Schondra Levy, as luck would
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  Speaker 1: have it, and this is all happening around the same
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  Speaker 1: general time.
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  Speaker 2: Which is like right before nine to eleven.
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  Speaker 1: Right, which that's an important thing to remember when you
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  Speaker 1: hear people talking about, oh, why did the media they
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  Speaker 1: just drop this story, It's like, yeah, nine to eleven happened.
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  Speaker 1: We were a little preoccupied for a few months after that.
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  Speaker 2: It was kind of the most important thing to have
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  Speaker 2: happened to the United States since Pearl Harbor, arguably.
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  Speaker 1: Right right, possibly more, it was a pretty big story.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of things got bumped as a result.
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  Speaker 2: So if you're listening to this and you're thinking dead intern,
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  Speaker 2: I've heard this one before. That's why you're thinking, probably
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  Speaker 2: that it's sort of a similar accusation or coincidence of
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  Speaker 2: things that this did happen at the same time. And
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  Speaker 2: so just to kind of go over these kind of
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  Speaker 2: immediate details, if you're thinking the sounds fish right off
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  Speaker 2: the bat corney to a police report, Plesidis had told
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  Speaker 2: a colleague that she was not feeling well the day
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  Speaker 2: before she was found dead. And I think we also
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  Speaker 2: talk about this that she had told a postman guy,
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  Speaker 2: their post guy, right, who came by, who she said, Hi,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I'm not feeling well. She had told at
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  Speaker 2: least two people that she didn't feel well right before
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  Speaker 2: this happened. And yeah, so she was on a couple
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  Speaker 2: of this woman. She was twenty eight, which is, you know,
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  Speaker 2: a very healthy young age usually that people don't die
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  Speaker 2: at but she said that she had been taking medication
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  Speaker 2: for acne. Then she'd suffered a head injury in a
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  Speaker 2: traffic accident when she was a teenager and that had
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  Speaker 2: left her in a coma. So yeah, I think we
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  Speaker 2: all kind of know at this point that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: as fun as they make a seem in the movies
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  Speaker 2: when people get knocked unconscious, you know, and as much
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  Speaker 2: as we talk about, you know, like when they was
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  Speaker 2: talking about football, they'll be like, you know, bash style football,
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  Speaker 2: and we always think that's kind of fun. Where we
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  Speaker 2: talk about in boxing with someone being punched. Drunk head
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  Speaker 2: injuries are not as fun as we used to think
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  Speaker 2: they were back in they're early two thousands.
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  Speaker 1: They've lost that wacky edge they used to have.
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  Speaker 2: Did you know that, in fact, small birds do not
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  Speaker 2: fly around your skull when you just suffer a traumatic
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  Speaker 2: brain injury.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there was that good long time there where an
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  Speaker 1: NFL player would get a concussion and we'd be like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: you're coming out of the game, okay.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, Yeah, I alame your home and go knocked off.
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  Speaker 2: Well in wrestling too, there would be all kinds of
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  Speaker 2: gimmicks where a character would suffer concussion one week and
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  Speaker 2: the next week they'd be acting all goofy oh, yeah
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  Speaker 2: they would act silly. Yeah, watching two that's one wweh
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  Speaker 2: Dwayne the Rock Johnson. I'm scared for him because the
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  Speaker 2: number of a chair shots that man is taken to
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  Speaker 2: the head is outrageous. But so talking back to Laurie,
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  Speaker 2: the woman who died in this case, she maybe suffered
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  Speaker 2: from some seizures in the past, and in this case,
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  Speaker 2: you know, she obviously had a worrisome medical history, and
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  Speaker 2: the police who were investigating her death concluded there was
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  Speaker 2: no evidence of foul play and this death was ruled
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  Speaker 2: purely accidental and closed. So is it a cold case. No,
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  Speaker 2: it's not a cold case at all. It never was.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not a cold case. And the notion that
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  Speaker 1: no one investigated this in the media at the time
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  Speaker 1: is untrue. There was a guy named Bill Adare who
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  Speaker 1: is the journalist who founded PolitiFact, which is a generally
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  Speaker 1: well respected website. He was working for the Saint Petersburg
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  Speaker 1: Times at the time, which is now I think the
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  Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Times, and he looked into this case in
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and one when it happened, and he said,
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  Speaker 1: after looking into the case and interviewed the police chief
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  Speaker 1: and the medical examiner who performed the autopsy, who we
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  Speaker 1: will talk about more later. Adair concluded there was no
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  Speaker 1: question in my mind that this was an accidental death
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  Speaker 1: and that there was no foul play.
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  Speaker 2: And how often do you hear about journalists denying that
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  Speaker 2: a story might exist or an interesting lead in something
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  Speaker 2: like this that would get them front page headlines.
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  Speaker 1: Right, And it's important to keep in mind that Bill
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  Speaker 1: Adair founded PolitiFact, which is a left leaning website, and
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  Speaker 1: Joe Scarborough was a Republican congressman. So if anyone would
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  Speaker 1: have had a little motivation to take down Joe Scarborough
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  Speaker 1: after looking into this, it would have been Bill A.
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  Speaker 1: Dare Like. He wouldn't have pulled any fucking punches. There
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  Speaker 1: would be no reason for him too.
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  Speaker 2: And we could talk about a little bit more later.
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  Speaker 2: We want our people interested. But Joe Scarborough, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: for all his rivers Cuomo glasses now and anti Trump brands.
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  Speaker 2: Back in the nineties, this man voted to impeach Bill Clinton.
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  Speaker 2: He passes new laws concerning much to fetuses and is
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  Speaker 2: extremely pro life. He he you know, wanted to cut
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  Speaker 2: the minimum wage, he wanted to take down HUD so
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  Speaker 2: a lot of things to do with education and reform
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  Speaker 2: that we're kind of foreign nowadays, this guy was totally
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  Speaker 2: against it, right.
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  Speaker 1: So if people in the media, which it's interesting we'll
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  Speaker 1: get into more details about this later too, but it
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  Speaker 1: was kind of painted as, oh, the media is protecting
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  Speaker 1: Joe Scarborough, like the people who pushed this theory, and
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  Speaker 1: it's like, when did that switch happen? Where the media
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  Speaker 1: used to protect Republicans and now they protect democrats? Like
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  Speaker 1: where did that? Because that's what we hear now is
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  Speaker 1: that the media is just all biased toward Democrats. But
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  Speaker 1: back then it was people were saying, well, the media
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  Speaker 1: is protecting Joe Scarborough. It's like because he's a Republican.
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  Speaker 2: He switched sides completely and he's still being protected. It's
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  Speaker 2: kind of interesting that he's it's sort of it's on
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  Speaker 2: the nineteen eighty fourist right, and it's like, who are
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  Speaker 2: we fighting now, Joscarber the Republican or jos Garber the Democrat. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he says he's independent but whatever. But also his music,
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  Speaker 2: so no one's protecting that.
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  Speaker 1: Is he a musician?
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  Speaker 2: Dude, He's always had a band and his band is
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  Speaker 2: fucking balls. Yeah, so he was on Colbert. He's like
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  Speaker 2: Colbert for the something in his band played which is like,
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  Speaker 2: it's like, it's kind of fun. It's sort of like
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  Speaker 2: a really bad version of Jimmy Buffett crossed with some
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  Speaker 2: light Clash inspired song. I don't know, really bad.
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  Speaker 2: But also, I mean we could talk a little bit
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  Speaker 2: about his personal life at that time, which was so
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  Speaker 2: Joe Scarborough had been married and had two kids, and
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  Speaker 2: then around two thousand and one he married this other
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  Speaker 2: woman who was who worked for George HW Bush or
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  Speaker 2: sorry George W. Bush when he was a governor Florida.
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  Speaker 2: So he was married, gonna marry the Stafford. So there's
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  Speaker 2: all these rumors embedded with this story speculating that Joe
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  Speaker 2: Scarborough was having this affair with Lori, but nothing from
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  Speaker 2: Joe Scarborough's personal life or her personal life point to
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  Speaker 2: that at all.
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  Speaker 1: Right, And that's that's one of the ways it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: parallel the Gary Condit thing, because Gary Condit did very
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  Speaker 1: much have a relationship with the girl who went missing,
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  Speaker 1: whereas Joe Scarborough has always maintained he met this woman
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  Speaker 1: like three times in the entire time she worked for him,
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  Speaker 1: which is very fucking possible.
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  Speaker 2: Oh totally. And from all like Lorie E closeis's from
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  Speaker 2: all her friends and everything. They just say that she
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  Speaker 2: had a happy marriage. Was her nickname was Little Mary Sunshine,
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  Speaker 2: and her husband and her were moving into a new house,
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  Speaker 2: she was getting a new job, taking college classes. Like
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  Speaker 2: nothing in their marriage pointed to she's having an affair,
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  Speaker 2: and no one believed she was so, Yeah, I think
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  Speaker 2: we can talk about that, But if you want to
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  Speaker 2: get into so a lot of these, like more recent
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  Speaker 2: things that have come out about it, we can talk about.
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  Speaker 2: I know we have in notes here that Jennifer van beerkin.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, these Jennifer van Bergen articles are interesting. I have
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  Speaker 1: confirmed Jennifer van Bergen is a real person. She is
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  Speaker 1: a writer.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't it weird you have to do that?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Well the reason I have to do it
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  Speaker 1: is a lot of of the stories over the years
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  Speaker 1: that bring up this scandal. They point to these, this
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  Speaker 1: series of articles written by Jennifer van Bergen for a
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  Speaker 1: site called truth Out. And the thing is, I can't
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  Speaker 1: find those articles anywhere. Their truth Out still exists, but
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  Speaker 1: if you search on their website for these articles, they're
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  Speaker 1: not there. There are a bunch of like not that
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  Speaker 1: reliable websites that have reposted them. And the weird thing
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  Speaker 1: about them is they're all dated January fourth or January sixth,
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and one, which is months and months and
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  Speaker 1: months prior to when this death happened. So I feel
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  Speaker 1: like I'm not even sure if these articles ever really happened.
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  Speaker 1: This could be a fucking elaborate hoax that these articles
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  Speaker 1: ever even existed. I have no idea, but it's very worthy.
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  Speaker 2: You got to do that. Yeah, that's what I found
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  Speaker 2: word about. It is, uh linking back to things. All
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  Speaker 2: of the articles would say reprinted this time or that time,
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  Speaker 2: and none of them I couldn't seem to actually find
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  Speaker 2: the website link to the original posting, so it is
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: relocated to this and saying this whole scenario seems fishy.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: It does seem fishy, and I mean, part of me
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: wants to say that that's somehow related to, you know,
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: the early Internet and the way things were working them
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: with journalism and reprinting articles, but I don't know. It's
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: a pea.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: Well, it could be related to the fact that if
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: you go on the Internet and openly accuse someone of murder,
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: you're kind of committing libel or defamation.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: And you can only get away with that if you're
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: the president.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, kinda. So it's very possible that Joe Scarborough
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: had lawyers reach out to these people and was like, look,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: if you can prove this, fine, but otherwise we're going
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: to fucking sue you if you leave this shit up.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what happened to these articles,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: but these truth out articles by Jennifer van Bergen are
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: very hard to find. But her reasoning for link to
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: him if you want to read the whole thing. But
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: the kind of bullet point reasoning for her believing that
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: Joe Scarborough maybe committed murder was the fact that he
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: resigned a few months prior, which to me makes it
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: less likely that he would have killed this woman because
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: he resigned like five months prior to when this death happened. Like,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: what was he trying to prevent by murdering this woman?
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Like he was already leaving Congress?
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I think I pointed out earlier that she
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: had Laurie had already gotten a new job or she
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: was interviewing for a new job that was going to
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: give her a six thousand dollars raise, So she knew
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: well ahead of time this was going to happen, and
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: she was in the office, but at the time, she
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: was going to work for a radio station, which she
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: was really excited for, and so it wasn't it wasn't
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: even a surprise to her that he was going to
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: quit Congress. Everybody in the office knew and everybody was
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: going to get new jobs, right.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: They also talk about contradictory reports about a visible head injury,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: and this I think is also kind of dumb because
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: they're basing it on the fact that a police report
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: at one point said, well, there was no sign of
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: head trauma, but the autopsy showed that she had a
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: seven inch fracture in her skull. That doesn't necessarily point
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: to contradictory evidence. Like a skull fracture isn't a thing
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: you would automatically see.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: I would think, well, yeah, it depends. I mean, women
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: have a lot of hair. That's not so stupid to say.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: Women have a lot of hair, and the skull is
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: usually covered by hair, and unless there's a ton of
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: blood around it, you probably wouldn't see a fracture unless
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: it was bleeding out an incredible amount. And if you
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: hit someone in the back of the head, like we're
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: at the okay, So if you have an injury close
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: to like your forehead, it's a very vascular area, you're
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: gonna bleed a ton. That's why you know. You see
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Rick Flair wrestling match and stuff. They used to bleed
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: up near basically their hairline cut up there with the
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: you know, micros because it bleeds a ton. But if
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: she's in the back of the head, that's much less fast.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: You're not going to bleed out the same way though.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, it makes sense that they wouldn't see a
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: big pool of blood or a big, big gash in
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: the head.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: And it does say that there was a bruise on
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: her head, and it's like, of course there was a
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: bruise on her head. She died from an accidental fall. Like,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: why wouldn't there be a bruise on her head. That's
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: a completely different thing.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how big she was size wise,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: but you know, let's say one hundred and thirty pound
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: force hitting a hard wooden desk, you know, with the
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: full weight of your body, you know, dead weight, that's
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: going to fucking hit hard, right.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: She also in these articles points to the fact, and
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: a lot of people point to the fact that uh
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Lori Clausutis was a marathon runner. So how would she
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: have died of heart problems? Is she was a marathon
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: runner as impassable.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: She was twenty eight years old. Hellthy is a horse.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is just people not understanding how the body works.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: And like just becase. Because you're a runner doesn't automatically
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: mean you're healthy. A good example to look up America
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: is Jim Fix, who granted he died a little later
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: in life, he was in his fifties, but he's also
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: the guy who basically invented jogging, if you can even
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: say that. But he's the reason jogging became a really
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: popular exercise in this country. He wrote two books in
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: the seventies that like kicked that whole thing off. There's
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: a joke about it in fucking Anchorman.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Right, yoggy it's called yoggy.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: It was you know, currently you just run.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean think about it, really. Uh if
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: you look at like even movie stars or whatever in
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: the bardies fifties, they don't look that fit. But around
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: like the seventies you have Prefontaine, you have a lot
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: of more track athletes or running as a popular form
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: of exercise. I mean yeah, So that guy became huge,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: published books, was in the media all the time, as
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: you know, saying this is the new healthy life. Low
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: fat was just beginning to hit as a thing that
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: people were into, right so and America.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Guess how. He died of a heart attack while jogging.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: He was what was referred to or what science still
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: refers to as an obligate runner, which meant he took
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: running more seriously than anything in his life, to the
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: point that he basically ran himself to death. And they
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: have talked about Lori Closudis running five miles a day,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: which isn't that extreme, but that is like a five
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: k a day, which is a lot of running. And
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: she had all this other stress in her life, so
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: the fact that she was that physically active could have
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: been a detriment, and it seems like it was sort
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: of a detriment when you add all the stress she
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: was under and possibly an undiagnosed heart condition, which doesn't
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: mean you got it from eating meatball subs. It could
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: just be a fucking birth defect. It could be anything.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, I uh, when I'm in high school, I
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: had a kid in my high school class have a
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: brain aneurism and just dropped dead. And you know, no
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: one's going to implicate me in a murder, Right.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Did Laura Crawford murder that guy of a brain aneurysm?
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: No exactly, And so like blood clots and things like that,
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: we it's sort of mysterious how it occurs. And like
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: we said, she was in a car accident which caused
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: you know, damage and could cause issues with her circulatory system,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: her you know, her cardiacis and brain everything like that.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: But also we were mentioning that she was on acne medication,
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: and I don't know exactly which one she was on,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: but I think anyone who's ever heard of acutane knows
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: that it causes such serious health conditions that it can
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: literally kill a fetus in your body. And it's known
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: to cause a number of issues with psychosis, mental illness.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: It's known to cause issues with swelling in the brain.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: It's known to cause cardiac issues. And I was looking
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: this up and can acne medications cause heart problems? Definitely?
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: So a lot a lot of acne medications are synthetic
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: vitamin A. They're called retinoids, and you know this is
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: used to cause care a lot of derminotal life disorders
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: and basically cause cardiac side effects like atrial tech cardia,
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: congenital heart disease, and cardiac remodeling. So it can cause
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: congenital heart disease and arrhythmias, which are frequently atrial arrhythmia
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: and a case right bundle branch block were reported due
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: to this vitamin A use so be So basically, blockages
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: and arrhythmias can both be caused by acne medications, which
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: I'm sure aren't helped if you're running five miles.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: A day, right and on. Arrhythmia is what killed her.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: That was the thing that stopped her heart. And I
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: actually knew a person who was I think you could
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: describe as an obligate runner. And at one point that
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: motherfucker we were just hanging out in my living room
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: and that motherfucker just passed out and fell into a
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: lamp that was in the corner of the room. And
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: it was because he had gone running under conditions that
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: no fuckingsane person would ever go running, hadn't been eating enough,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: and just fucking faint right there in my living room.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: And he was relatively healthy, I would imagine all that
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: fucking running, or maybe he wasn't, because I didn't faint,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: but he did, and I hadn't done any running recently.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: So if you're hung up on the notion that she
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: was a runner and couldn't have had heart problems as
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: a result, you're just wrong. You are wrong.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think we're also undermining how many deaths
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: do occur in people's regular homes through things like passing
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: out and hitting your head. Those sort of accidents occur
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: all the time. Do you know how a lot of
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: bodybuilders die accidentally? They wake up in the morning to eat,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: you know, they have like scheduled times that they have
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: to eat, and they'll go to the fridge to eat
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: and they're not even awake, and they'll choke to death
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: on food because they're just chritomatically eating and fall asleep
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: while they're eating and forget to breathe and choke to that.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: I know at Wrestling WW Dana Brook her fiance died
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: that way, But it's a repeated thing that happens to bodybuilders.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: You think people are healthy. There's no way to die
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: like that. There's plenty of ways to die that way.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I wonder how many deaths are caused by falls?
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: A lot in the United States.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Dude, just having a step be even a quarter of
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: an inch difference is responsible for so many debts on
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: staircases throughout the whole country. I mean, there's a really
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: good series of ITR on YouTube where a woman does these,
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: it's for BBC. She illustrates how different historical eras things
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: in the home could kill you.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Falls kill more than twenty seven thousand people a year
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: in the United States, So what happened to this woman
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: is not that rare. And since the Jennifer van Bergen
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: articles bring up her husband, let's talk about her husband.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, mister Timothy Cleudis, let's sake.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: It's if anyone would have a vested interest in whether
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: or not this woman was murdered, it would be her
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: husband at the time, right, And he has actually, since
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: this came up again, sent a letter to CEO Twitter
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Jack Dorsey that was published in The New York Times,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: asking him to take down these Trump tweets. He said
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: the theory had been repeatedly debunked and the resurfacing of
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: the story had left him frustrated and grieved. This is
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: another quote from the letter. Her passing is the single
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: most painful thing that I have ever had to deal
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: with in my fifty two years, and continues to haunt
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: her parents and sister. As her husband, I feel that
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: one of my marital obligations is to protect her memory
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: as I would have protected her in life. Twitter politely
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: declined to take those tweets down.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: It's insane he's called out for these tweets to be removed,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: and he's never never called for there to be an
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: increased investigation into her death. Even at the time it occurred.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: He never expressed any displeasure with the conclusions that the
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: medical examiner had come to. He never disagreed with what
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: the police concluded. So it's not just that he's saying,
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: I don't think Joe Scarborough was not involved. He doesn't
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: think there's any more questions about her death at all. Right,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: It's not just that he doesn't want the president to
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: tweet about it, is this. This man has never had
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: an issue with the investigation at all.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And you like, you'll sometimes see something like this
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: where the family is still insistent that an alternate theory
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: isn't possible, and usually in those cases, someone else has
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: already gone to prison. So the family's like, no, yeah,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: we already got the person. There's none of that here.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: This is like, never been a trial never yeah, never
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: been a trial, never been a grand jury called about this.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: There's never been any sort of legal proceedings to attach
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: any guilt to anyone.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it honestly seems like she died of an accidental
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: fall in Joe Scarborough's office, Like, there is nothing here
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: that points to murder, but there are some weird details
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: that we have to mention.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: I feel like, I mean, it does suck that this happened.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it really sucks. I don't think this was a murder.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: I want to go on record and say that.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: But it's not normal. It's not normal.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: It's not normal, and there are some not normal details
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: on Joe Scarborough's part case in point. At one point
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: he went on the Don I'mus show and I'll just
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: play this clip. It's really short. I think he'll be
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: able to hear it too. Here we go in and
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: we'll be right back.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: You know. Occasionally we're going to try to help you
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: and you've just right, Charles, and you've got to listen.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Tell me what I need to do. Well, No, you're
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: doing great.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: I mean, don't be afraid to be funny, because you
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: are funny. That was a you know, I ask her
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: why you were in Congress. You said you'd have sexually
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: intern and then you had to kill her. I mean
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: that's pretty risky to say.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is pretty risky to say. Why would he
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: say that? It reminds me of when we did the
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Chondra Levy episode. There's this really weird detail where one
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: of the women who accused John Conyers of sexual misconduct
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: said that one of the things he did at one
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: point was he was giving her a ride home and
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: he like pulled over and started hitting on her and
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: she refused his advances, at which point he said he
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: had insider knowledge of what happened to Chandra leevs O God,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: and she took it as a threat and ran from
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: the car.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would too, Jesus fucking Christ.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: So that doesn't do anyone any favors when it comes
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: to the Chandra Levy case. Knowing that that quote is
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: out there, and God damn it, Joe Scarborough, I bet
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: he wasn't expecting don iMOS to repeat that joke now
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: the show.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: I don't think he was expecting it either. I think
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: it's just sort of if there, it points to you
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: in general not to go up in a tangent to
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: herd on this. But h how it's interesting that don Imus,
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: who obviously gotten a lot of shit for saying racist,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: sexist comments that these men, especially in the of the
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: you know Monica Lewinsky stuff, how little regard they have
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: for life of young women that they's just so funny.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, fucking intern and then she's dead right, because
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: they're just the holes that we use, ha ha ha.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: You know that's the vibe I get from them all,
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: that they're just like, huh, these stupid dumb hoares that
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: want to work for us to get somewhere. Isn't it
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: funny if they all en up dead in a hole?
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: It's like, would it be funny if you got your
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: fucking head caught off in Afghanistan? Yeah, it's fucking laugh Riot,
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: What the fuck are you talking about?
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's a really unfortunate joke premise.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: It's fake.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Goddamn sure.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, I've been in the situation where I've been
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: on a podcast and someone's making a joke that I'm
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: not expecting and maybe a joke that I don't agree.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: With, you know.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Or I've been on a radio show in Boston. I
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: was on a morning show where the hosts said a
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: bunch of racist things that I wasn't prepared, and I
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: was really uncomfortable because I felt like I can't stop
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: this show and be like that was wrong, you were
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: very racist. I don't agree with that, you know what
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: I mean. It's like, when you're in some of these situations,
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: it is somewhat difficult to respond. I'm sure you've been
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: dealt with that.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and it's still like I still can't imagine
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: making that joke, Like I just I can't picture. I
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, I guess the fact that he
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: wasn't miked up when he said it, I guess that
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: explains why he would say it, But it still doesn't
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: really explain why he would say it.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: It's extremely weird. And also it's just bizarre considering that
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Joe Scarborough had tried to have Bill Clinton and Peach
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: for having sex with an intern, and then he finds
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: it's so funny to joke about and in turn being
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: fucked and murdered. Right, And she was she an intern,
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: She was a staffer, volunteer, she was one of.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: Her fears, aids. I don't know if she was an intern.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's just so funny. How like any woman
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: who worked for a man in the retelling of a story,
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: they go, she worked for him. You can make anything
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: sleepy sound sleazy like that, you know what I mean,
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: any woman who's below a certain age who works for
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: a man, any media can spin it at all that
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: they were like, was he fucking her? Was he sticking
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: into it? You know, It's like they make it all
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: disgusting all the time, right, It's just the way they
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: report these stories. She was in her twenties, and it's
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: like she was a twenty year old married woman who's
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: like working for somebody, but they may always make it
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: sound so sleazy, like fucking the secretary stuff.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: It's just yeah, and it's it's really unfortunate that that
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: is being thrown around so much in this case when
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: there's no evidence of it. There's no evidence at all
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: that she was having an affair with Joe Scarborough.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, or anybody. And you know, this woman's husband is
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: being made to look like a goddamn cock, you know
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: what I mean. By the way, I'm so glad you
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: found out this stuff of the Medical Examiner because I
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: hadn't seen this, and I'm delighted. I'm just as someone
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: who is a big fan of autopsies ever since I
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: first saw X files as a young girl, I was
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: just over the moon that he found this info.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the other really weird detail about this, and you'll
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: get no arguments for me that this is sketchy. The
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: medical examiner in this case is a guy named Michael Berkland.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: He's the medical examiner who did the autopsy on Lori clausutis,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: and he has a checkered work history, to say the least.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety six, he was fired as a contract
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: medical examiner in Jackson County, Missouri, after investigators found eight
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: undissected brains when they reviewed files and specimens handled by Berkland,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: indicating he had fabricated autopsy results. From there, he went
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: to work for the District I Medical Examiner's office in Pensacola, Florida,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: from nineteen ninety seven to two thousand and three. That's
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: obviously when he would have done the autopsy in question here.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: He was eventually fired from that job for not completing
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: autopsy reports, and then in twenty twelve he was arrested
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: after authorities discovered more than one hundred body parts stored
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: in formaldehyde in plastic containers, specimen cups, trash bags, and
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: one body part that was in a thirty two ounce
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: styrofoam cup. From a convenience store. That discovery happened after
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Berklan stopped paying rent on the storage unit. It was
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: all in and it was auctioned off for nine hundred dollars. God,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: I wish I could have seen that episode of Storage Wars.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: Could you say that this guy got all up in
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: them guts? You could say that, oh, disgusting, disgusting. Do
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: you know actually Paris Hilton had a storage unit taken
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: away from hercus you didn't should provide payment for it,
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: and that's how they find out that she had a
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: prescription for Valtrex, the herbies medication.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Why would you save that?
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I don't know she had her thing anyway.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: So this dude, Yes, I just loved the story of
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: a man so incompetent the state of Missouri wouldn't have
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: him and he had to go to Florida.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: And then he got fired there too. And there are
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: there are some questions about his supervisor having donated to
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Joe Scarborough's campaign. But you also got to think in
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: a case this high profile, the guy would probably not
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: cut all those corners that he was known for cutting.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: But you also don't know for sure.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, if you really want to talk more about
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: the issue of autopsy results, medical examiners, coroners. There is
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: fantastic episodes of the show front Line investigating this. It's
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: called Death in America, and if you watch these, it's
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: about generally, I mean, how your body is treated after
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: you died varies wildly from state to state, and it
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: really was a big eye opener for me, the shit
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: out of me. And also the child cases when they
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: talk about death investigation for kids, but those are really
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: amazing centerpieces. The medical examination in this country is obviously
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: people know about this because all the unprocessed like rape
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: kit results and stuff like this, But labs are not
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: immune to political pressure. Doctors are not immune to political pressure.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: A lot of these cases they are elected offices, like
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: in New Orleans we were talking about led of death,
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: nomestication and things like that. So yes, if you're saying,
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: are medical results always accurate?
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: No?
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Are these people? Probably a lot of them fucked up
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: crazy doctors.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: And in this case, this guy had like Ripley's believe
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: it or not, in the storage unit of just old
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: brains that he hadn't gone through, which is disgusting and
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: disturbing and really sad for the families of these people
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: who don't really believe that justice had been done in
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: that case. But the dudes just hanging on to this shit.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Why is he keeping it?
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Well, he claims he was keeping it for like it's
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: actually not that uncommon for medical examiners to keep body parts,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: But you're supposed to keep them for like a year,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: and if you need to do any fucking work on
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: him in that time, you do it. Then this was year,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Like these were all from autopsies. He would have performed
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: the in the aughts.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Right, we're talking about this was in twenty twelve.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a weird detail, but it also in no
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: way means that Joe Scarborough committed murder.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: No, it really doesn't mean that. And then I will
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: reiterate it again, which is good. Joe Scarborough was in Washington,
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: DC at the time this woman died, who's not even
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: in the state.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a really really important detail.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: It would be incredibly difficult for him to murder or
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: have murdered a woman who was apparently alone in the
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: office when she passed out and died. So we point
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: this out, and then this whole issue of Joe Scarborough
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: maybe murder a woman. You point this out, it's been
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: historically more of a talking point from the left before
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: all this, and it's something that Marco's Melitsas letus, Well,
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: it's the Daily Coast, which actually really loved for a
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: site for many years, was one of my go to,
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: you know, for.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: The very liberal website, definitely not a conservative site.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: Something you probably read about George W. Bush back in
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: you know, the Iraq Warriors and all that stuff. And
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: so people were basically saying that they published an article
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: called why I'm blacklisted by MSNBC and this guy got
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: in a fight with Joe Scarborough for murder accusations.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: And basically Joe Scarborough went on Twitter and was complaining
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: about bias media coverage toward Obama. Obama had the scandal
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: going at the time that Joe Scarborough felt the media
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: wasn't covering because he thought the media was bias in
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: favor of Democrats. And Marcos Mulitsis jumps into that Twitter
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: thread and says, oh, yeah, well what about the time
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: the media crucified Gary Condit but just ignored your scandal altogether.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: And he wrote this article he ended up getting like
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: blacklisted from ms NBC for a while after that, and
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: this article is still up. It's called why I Am
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: Blacklisted by MSNBC. And that's why because in the middle
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: of this argument he threw these murder accusations out and
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: in the article he's like, I never accused him of murder,
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, yeah, but you're still bringing up
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: this thing that has been debunked and investigated by police
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: and questioning why it didn't get as much coverage. And
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: it's if you look into Gary Conda, it's obvious why
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: it didn't get as much coverage. Gary Condit lied repeatedly
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: about his relationship with that girl while she was still missing.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and also she was missing. This girl was never missing.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: Everyone could always coup for where the buck she was.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're gonna murder someone to cover something up,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: you're not gonna do it in your fucking office. Like
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: that's insane.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense. Where did they imagine that
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: Joe Scarborough was that he killed her in his office
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: and then wasn't in his office, and then she was
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: there and then he was never arrested. Is that what
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: they imagine?
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Or did he pay someone to do it that
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: person also wouldn't do it in Joe Scarborough's office.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Where would they be if there was something, if there
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: was a party who was responsible for the death, where
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: was that party and why wouldn't they have not been arrested?
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: And also a murder that would happen the way people
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: who believe this theory, uh want to believe it happened,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: which would be her getting beat to death. There's gonna
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: be blood all over that fucking room, like when you
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: hit someone with something, it's going to send blood splatter
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: onto the walls, like it make noise. Yeah, there would
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: be an obvious difference between seeing someone who fell and
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: hit their head and someone who was murdered. And I
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: don't There is no evidence that this woman was murdered.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: But it also didn't stop Michael Moore at one point
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: from launching a website called Joe Scarborough Killed his intern
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: dot com still up. It's the bick page, but it's
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: still up. So this has, I agree, been debunked several times.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: And yes there are some weird details, but god damn it,
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: Joe Scarborough didn't murder this woman.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: No, and even Republicans are talking about that. This is
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: a ridiculous assertion.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Rep.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Adam Kinseier is from Illinois. He recently tweeted that this
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: is completely unbound a conspiracy. Just stop stop spreading it,
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: stop creating paranoia. It will destroy us.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: He's right about that. There is I didn't put it
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: in the notes, but there was Catherine Harris when she
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: was running for I think Senate in Florida. There were
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: rumors that Joe Scarborough might challenge her for that seat,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: and she immediately called people and was like, he's going
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: to have to answer for these murder and accusations. And
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: people are like, no, that's dumb, and it fucking cost
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: her any chance of running in that election.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: It just looks stupid. It float it out. Even so
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Mint Romney, who I'm obviously no fan of. I mean,
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: he was an okay Massachusetts governor. He was not bad.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: He gave us healthcare. Mint Romney calls out vile Donald Trump,
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: murder accusations agains quote unquote psycho Joe Scarborough is fun
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: that psycho Joe Scarborough is becoming like his nickname, like
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: he's a wrestler or a boxer, or he's like tot
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: call to calmback cycle Joe Scarbro. He says, I know
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: Joe Scarborough, Joe is a friend of mine. I don't
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: know TJ. Clesiitis calseudis. I'm so sorry. I really apologize
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: for this thing. You know why I keep saying casitas.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: It sounds like a digestive issue joke and weather vile,
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: basiless accusations. But TJ. His heart is breaking enough already.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: I like how Joe's how Mint Rodney thinks there's a
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: minimum of murder accusations you could throw at someone, but
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: you're like, this is too much. Do it once? Okay,
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: you got one free pass on a murder accusation, but
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: not more than once.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I feel like there's just so many people if
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: there was something to this, there are so many people
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: that hate Joe Scarborough and they would be so on
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: board with this.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: He's an asshole. He's a CARDI bagging asshole. It is
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: what he is. He's a shill. He's a shill and
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: a stuffed shirt and he's a dickhead. And he floated
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: anti VAXX conspiracies because his fucking stupid kid was born
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty nine and then developed aspergers who oh
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: of the cleat issues in two thousand and five he's
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: talking to the Kennedys, who also floated a lot of
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: that anti vax garbage, and he's like, yeah, my son's
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: are showing signs that he's autistic. And it's like, motherfucker,
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: that's when people show signs for it. I add, this
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: rock keeps tigers away. Do you want it? You dump bastard?
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: And his music sucks.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: His music does suck.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: Anyway, I'm sorry any yell about that for a minute,
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: because it's the stupidest shit on the planet. He's basically
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: like Jenny McCarthy.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and this this theory is dumb, Like there's like,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: there are some weird coincidences in this story and nothing more.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: So, why do you think all Trump's going this way?
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: Why do you think he's doing that?
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Though, Well, every dictator needs to arrest their political opponents,
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: and I feel like, not just this, but also all
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: the Obama Gates stuff. I feel like Trump's sort of
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: softening us up for that idea that hey, maybe at
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: some point we're going to start rounding up Democrats and
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: throwing them in prison for the Russia investigation, or for
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: running a global sex trafficking ring, or for murdering an
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Aid in two thousand and one, like this is what
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: dictators do, It's what tyrants do. Like actually, yeah, he
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: needs to set this precedent at some point if he's
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: going to live all of his Hitler dreams to fruition
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: like were there has to be a Night of the
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Long Knives at some point.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: But Scarborough actually dictan an interview that he believes that
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: Dald Trump is going to attempt to have journalists rounded
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: up and arrested, he said himself.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: Which is which is very concerning as someone who hosts
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: several podcasts that are very critical of Trump.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, especially since he might be a murderer. Not I
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: just have the eight abortions he paid for.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about Yeah, do you hear that?
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: That's the newest count they think they think he might
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: have paid for up to eight abortions.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: That does not surprise me one bit.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: The best abortions, the best abortions, the classiest abortions, gold
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: plated vacuumthing.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about this story of these three executives.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, I threw this in there so I was like, Hey,
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: you want to call some a murderer, how about it
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: call you a murderer? Maybe Donald Trump murdered a few people.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: Did you know that three Trump casino executives died in
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: a helicopter crash?
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: I mean that in and of itself, isn't weird? People
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: die in helicopter crashes all the time. Shout out to
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: We talked about it, and I didn't even know about
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: it because we were talking about like celebrities that died
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: in helicopter crashes, and this didn't come up at the
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: time because I had no clue. Do you remember that? Yeah, yeah, no,
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: it's wild.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: And yeah, these these three executives, they were in charge
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: of a casino that was losing a ton of money,
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: and Trump was supposed to be on this helicopter flight
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: with them, but at the last second decided not to.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: The helicopter ends up crashing, and they find out it's
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: because of a manufacturing flaw where one of the rots
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: had like a machine scratch or a tool mark on it,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: and that caused one of the rots to be unstable,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: I guess, and led to the crash. But also, man,
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: that sounds like a really easy way to rig a
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: helicopter to crash.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you describe it with a tool So We're going
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: back to October tenth, nineteen eighty nine, three Trump executives
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: and two pilots died when a helicopter crashed into a
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: parkway medium And this happened around Atlantic City, and we're
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: talking about the gard State Parkway in Ocean County, New Jersey.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: So these guys who were they were Steve and F. Hyde,
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: who was forty three, and he was responsible for Trump's
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: three Atlantic City casino properties, taj Mahal top executive, Mark
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: gi Edis who's thirty eight, and Jonathan Banavnev thirty three.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: He was executive by president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino,
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: and they with the craft's two pilots. Basically, imagine you're
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: driving on a highway and a helicopter middle of the
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: day or morning crashes into the median and kills everyone
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: on board. So it could have obviously been much worse,
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: but these were the guys who were really in control
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: of the entire business. So like when this happened and
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: went ultimately, so these casino properties closed, but even back
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: then they were having issues. So the Trump taj Mahal
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: was the fifth Atlantic City casino to close in two years.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: I mean Atlantic City as a whole was really bombing
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: out in these years in the two thousands, and The
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: Washington Post reported this is in like twenty sixteen that
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump was blaming the failure of the TAJ on
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: those dead casino executives. Classy love it so days after
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: this occurred, Donald Trump was obviously tasked with replacing these dudes,
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: and he put in charge John Jack O'Donnell, and he
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: was slotted to fill the breach. And at the time
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: of this crash, he was the chief operating officer of
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino. You know, obviously someone who
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: seems capable and perfectly fine. And in audio released from
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: a twenty sixteen year Post interview, Trump expounded on the
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: choice of Jack for the presidency of his empire only
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: because he was the only one standing. I put Jack
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: O'Donnell in there, and pretty typical fact and typical petty fashion.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: Trump also called o'donald a third rate executive. He's your executive.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: You hired him, you dumb fuck. Donald respawned in his
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: own interview with the Post, but upgraded the protective video.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: He remembers Trump having panic in his voice, but the
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: future of the casinos. Before the executives were laid to rest,
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: Donald was beginning to have an immense amount of pressure
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: from the banks, bondholders, and investors. So before these guys
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: were even in the ground, he knew the casinos were fucked.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: But he's like, oh, I couldn't put anyone because everyone
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: fucking died. It was my fault, right, thank you, But
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: I guess. He was also scheduled to be on the
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: doom flight but decided at the last minute it was
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: too busy to leave New York.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And the investigation three years later, they found that
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: a scratch made on the rotor blade during its manufacture
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: caused the helicopter crash, so it was.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: It was fatigue failure in the main rudder blade, so
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: they said it was manufacturing induced. But also did nine
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: hundred hours of flight without any issues.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: Right, So m maybe maybe Comcast should investigate that.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: Maybe they should cancel him. I mean just, I mean,
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: the point just we're making is if you want to
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: throw out murder investigation and accusations, we can throw up
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: murder accusations too.
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: Easy.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: I still I still call on Comcasts to investigate this.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: I think it's a I think it's a sorry, I'm
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: trying to get more CBS shows. It's a Wang's issue.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: I call on the Unicorn to investigate this.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: I'm a big bang theory I want looked into. It's
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: a mom of an issue. Man, you're gonna need two
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: broke girls to get this started. Jesus, I'm sorry. I
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: regret that thing.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I think in conclusion, Joe Scarborough didn't murder
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: this woman. No, I don't think so, So relax.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: And also, I feel I feel I feel a bit
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: bad that Joe Scarborough is going through this. I feel
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: much worse for her family that's dealing with this, because
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: obviously it's like, you know, she said, it's bad enough
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: to have someone die, but then to be used as
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: a prop by the pres it just makes everything an
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: extra layer of disgusting, right, Yeah.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, and it I'm I'm interested to see how it
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: plays out. I'm interested to see how all of Trump's
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: accusations are going to play out.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: Do you think they're going to take the tweet step Twitter?
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: No?
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: No, I mean I guess the there's almost an argument
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: for keeping him up just to like, I don't know,
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: maybe Joe Scarborough can sue Trump when he leaves office.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: I don't think Joe Scarborough is the balls to kill someone.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know, not of those fucking glasses.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: No, I just don't see him as a murderer. No,
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: I don't see him as she's just also too far
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: vege he's a murderer. I just don't buy it at all.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, it doesn't seem like there was much to
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: be gained here. It doesn't seem like she was on
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: her way to exposing any secrets about him, Like we
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: already knew he was cheating on his wife by this point,
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: he was already divorced.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: Like yeah, I just also seemed like a really like
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: easy thing to prove libel wise in court. I know
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: I'm not you know, I'm not a legal expert. You're
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: not a legal expert. I don't know exactly how libel
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: law works in this country. But I think murderer. Like seventeen,
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: when Donald Trump first tweeted about this, he didn't say
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: the word murderer. He didn't say it at all. He
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: didn't say murder, and he didn't say murderer. He didn't
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: say killed, he didn't say anything like that. As time
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: has gone on, his language has become much more harsh
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: and solid, insane actual murder, which is you know, he's
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: not being vague about it, which is which what's crazy
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: to me is that he seems to be doubling down
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: on these accusations and get even more specific with what
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: he's accusing him of.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it seems like it's all kind of funny
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: and not that important, but a shit like this could
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: get very important over the next few months. Yeah.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So, I mean, I think it's a good point
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: for it's a really easy thing in case. So people
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: have been trying to get Twitter to you know, Senser
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: his tweets or take them down. People have been trying
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: to get that for a long time because obviously they
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: have this policy of can't spread misinformation, but he's clearly
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: doing that, or to get him banned from Twitter altogether.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: So I think this could be a very important milestone
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: in that push to get him banned off Twitter, if
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: that's what they're talking about.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's also talking about shutting down Twitter.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, he was saying he's gonna shut
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: it down, which is so cute. He was isn't more
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: than anyone. Yeah, it's just so funny.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: How would he govern if Twitter was shut down?
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah? What would he do? I don't get that.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I guess we'll see where this story goes.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll check it out. That's what we got for.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, I wish it was more interesting a story
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: to say that, like what interaction Joe Scarborough had with
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: this But he wasn't there, he wasn't involved with this woman.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: It's a really tragic circumstance. It's unfortunate for him. But
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, if we're interesting, I would say it's interesting.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: But it's so.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't give a shit about Joe Scarborough and I.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: Don't feel any need to protect him. He's a blowhard,
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: stuffed shirt asshole. Yeah, fucking Florida. Yeah, and he plays
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: terrible music.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: His music sucks, music sucks.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: And his wife had a bleedy face whatever. That was
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: such a weird thing. And yeah he did kiss John
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: Trump's ass at certain point.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he and Trump used to be really close, Yeah,
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: which is disgusting. Trump didn't start pushing this until he
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: and Joe Scarborough fell out. Yeah, but yeah, we'll see
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: where it goes. In the meantime, do we have anything
• 53:00
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• 53:02
  Speaker 2: No, dude, I have nothing. I've not done it. I'm
• 53:04
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• 53:06
  Speaker 2: have like one coming up dand of May, but it's
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: not even worth plugging, like I've been doing no comedy
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: in my life is just nothing. My friends are like,
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: what are you doing all damn? Like I'm cleaning and
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: playing tennis.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: I don't have any shows coming up either, but uh,
• 53:19
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• 53:28
  Speaker 2: Dude, please do or r yeah if you need work,
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: if you need like work with the kind of stuff
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: I do or whatever, like I don't know, think about it.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: Think about it all right, Let's get the fuck out
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: of here. Lauras say goodbye bye, goodbye everybody. We love you.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: Just car By and murder anyone