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Ep.291: Summiting Mount Everest with special guest Tim Allardyce · The STA Clinician Podcast

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You're listening to the STA Clinician Podcast, connecting clinicians across healthcare.
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Okay, we're live. Hey people, how are you doing? Welcome to episode 291 of the
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STA Clinician Podcast, formerly known as the Sports Therapy Association Podcast.
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I'm your host, Matt Phillips, and as always, this episode is being recorded
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live on the Sports Therapy Association YouTube channel and Facebook page at
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8 o'clock UK time on a Tuesday.
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In this episode, I'm going to be joined very shortly by the incredible Tim Allardyce,
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founder of Rehab My Patient,
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fresh, although as i mentioned in the advert maybe not that fresh considering
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that he's recently summited mount everest and tim's going to be on very shortly showing the highs,
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the challenges and the grit it took to conquer the world's tallest peak,
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along with the powerful story behind the charity funds he raised along the way
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and just in case you are having a massive dose of deja vu this originally was
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going to come out last week but there were some technical issues and so that's
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why we're here this week you're not going crazy it's fine
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and if you have joined us live, then thank you very much.
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If you want to got questions directly for Tim, then you can put them into the
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chat and I can bring it up on the screen. For example, Gary Benson,
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founder of the STA has come through the door and says, good evening all.
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I hope everyone is well. And Tim is getting used to being back at sea level.
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Exactly. It's a very good question. We're going to find that out very, very soon.
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Before I do bring Tim up, then I must thank my guests a couple of weeks ago,
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in episode 290, which was entitled a preview of the Midland Sports Therapy Association
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conference that took place Saturday, 20th of June in Ludlow.
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I was joined by conference organiser Mike Grice from Movement Therapy Education
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and Performance Sports Physio Kieran McMahon.
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Mike and Kieran together gave a fascinating insight into the event's focus on
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movement, soft tissue therapy, exercise integration, and practical hands-on learning.
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And by all accounts, I'm sure you've seen if you follow UK underscore STA on
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social media, the event was a huge success.
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So congratulations to everyone who was involved in that.
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And the episode is, as always, available on all popular podcast apps and the
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YouTube channel for Sports Therapy Association.
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People are still coming through the door, very keen to hear from Tim himself
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about how everything went. Brian Huxley says, good evening, Tim.
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Hi, Brian. Thanks for joining us and everyone else.
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And if you are listening to the podcast and you do have questions,
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remember, you can put them in on the YouTube channel.
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We do monitor that. So if you've got any questions over what is such an interesting
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topic, then go to YouTube Sports Lover Association channel and put some questions
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there and I'll make sure they get forwarded to Tim and get some answers for you.
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Right then, talking of which, let's go and start tonight's episode.
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Summiting Mount Everest with special guest Tim Allardyce, founder of Rehab My Patient.
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Hey Tim, how are you doing? Good, how are you? I'm great, better than you.
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Well, probably physically at the moment.
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Yes, yeah. I'll just explain what that meant.
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Yeah, it's funny, I wrote down, I thought, you know, obviously on every single
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podcast, what would be 290 episodes now or something now, 291.
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I always go, how are you? It's kind of like normal, isn't it,
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when you've got a guest on.
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But in your case, I really do want to kind of pause and say, how are you, Tim?
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I'm doing really great. I'm doing really great. I mean, apart from nine numb
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fingers and thumbs, numb toes, mild frostbite on my big toe,
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a DVT in my calf, I'm doing great.
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Okay, let's just quickly, obviously, as we've got MSK clinicians listening to
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that, numb as in like what extent of numbness are we talking about?
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Yeah, luckily now, very minor. In fact, my index finger on my left side has now come back.
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My second finger is coming back. So I've only got nine numb fingers and thumbs now.
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But the tips on my fingers all numb so it's very a very weird sensation both
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my big toes are completely numb the ends of the toes i mean you could tap my
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big toe lightly and i wouldn't feel it is it.
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To what extent is this to be expected when you look at kind of the literature
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or the kind of is this yeah it's it's it's basically frost nip which which is
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sort of first stage of frostbite which is where the
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ice particles get under the under the skin and cause nerve damage so that they
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actually kill the nerve endings, the,
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peripheral nerve endings, but they grow back, so you get the feeling back.
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And it takes around four weeks usually.
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It's been five weeks now, but I can feel it's improving.
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Fantastic. God bless neoplasticity. This is great news. I'm pleased.
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And you realized this because you were so prepared, which we'll get into in
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a second, but of these symptoms, what about, what did you say with the car?
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I've got a 3.7 centimeter DVT in my posterior tibial vein.
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So I thought I pulled my calf on Everest, pushed through it.
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It was a minor pull. I thought I've strained my calf, pushed through it, got down.
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And I started limping within 24 hours of getting down off the summit.
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It's gradually getting worse i rest it and it's getting worse and then i fly
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back 16 hours from nepal to london i just have a stop over at delhi a transit
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for a couple of hours and i get in delhi and i'm,
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i'm like this is really not good i'm really bad in limping get back on the flight
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and i want to chop my leg off,
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i'm in economy i can't get comfortable as soon as i land at heathrow i go straight to hospital,
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and they you know my local host i got back went straight to hospital,
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they did a d-dimer um and my d-dimer was 6 000 off the scale and it should be
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500 or under which is your clotting factor they then sent me to the main hospital
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they then put me on with roxaban they then,
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asked me to come back they did a scan and then they found this this blood clot
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3.7 centimetre blood clot which is why i wanted to chop my leg off,
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but apart from that yes never fly with a dvt.
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I was going to say again we've got a lot of cliches listening and thinking hold
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on that's like that's that's one of the bad ones isn't it that's when we tell
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our client go to a and e now because it could that's right yeah i mean you decided
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to climb a bit more of a mountain in between and have a couple of 20 hour flights and then go yeah yeah,
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yeah yeah so i had a 16 hour flight back from the pool with a dvt and and yeah
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i had this very achy leg and i realized i haven't pulled my calf I've got a blood clot,
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so I took myself to hospital and then of course they confirmed it on a scan
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and then they prescribed a drug called roxaban,
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which is blood thinner this really feels like a safe this suddenly turned into
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a safeguarding issue i think one for that i should report you to somebody because
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you're a danger to yourself.
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Yeah i didn't look the thing is i didn't i didn't know i had a dvt when i flew
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i just thought i told my car i thought i don't because calf injuries are quite
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common in mountaineering because you put so much load through your calves because
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you're hiking you're hiking and climbing so it's very hard on the calves
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so so i just what i've i've told my calf,
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and he hadn't had a week to kind of measure swelling or anything or notice that
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symptoms were going down here and other things on your mind they measured it
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it was two centimeters wider my calf but i,
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i couldn't see any swelling no to look at it it looked the same so it wasn't
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red it wasn't swollen i wasn't overweight i was in you know it but but but then
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i found out you know obviously after the flight i realized there's a problem a serious problem here,
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wow that's i mean unless you're going to come up with some other bombshell that
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sounds like it could have been potentially one of the most serious problems
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if it happened earlier on and you just
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honestly i had bigger problems than that really oh my god right if you just
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tuned in then make yourself comfortable have a cup of tea make it or something
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you've got the podcast pause it now,
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because yeah we've got some interesting times coming out for people who aren't
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aware hopefully people who there are some have just joined in and gone who's
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this crazy dude called tim with a name that rhymes with paradise who's yeah,
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give us a little bit of a background of of who you are and what you do and then
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yes slide that if you can and find a segway of you deciding to.
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Climb up the tallest mountain in the world.
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Tim Allen Zeiss, and I created a brilliant software called Rehab My Patient,
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which is widely used by sports therapists, rehab therapists,
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physios, osteos, chiros,
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And I was a physiotherapist and osteopath and worked a lot with sports therapists
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at multiple games. So I've been to eight Olympic Games now and built up a really
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good relationship with STA.
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But my journey into mountaineering really started with a love for hiking.
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And it was really social media three or four years ago that made me actually go, do you know what?
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I can see, I see other people climbing mountains. I want to take it to the next
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level. I'd done some mountains. I'd done all the usual ones.
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And a few years ago, we climbed a 4,000 meter mountain and I loved it. We did it with the kids.
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That was Mount Kinabalu. So I'd been taking the kids up mountains.
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We'd done eight or nine mountains with the kids.
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My little girl summited Ben Nevis, age five, on her own. And she's amazing.
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And so I'd taken the kids around and done a few mountains. and and then,
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i said i want to take this to the next level so i i booked a trip to the himalayas
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found a summit climb company and i went and climbed amadablam one probably the
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most beautiful mountain in the world,
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and i said to myself if i can do amadablam then i can do something bigger this
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is the the step this is the route that bear grills had taken,
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and he went from amadablam and then went on to to do everest and i thought and
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it's a very common route and i thought i'll do that so i i went to the himalayas
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i summited amadablam well first i summited le boucher east which is a 6 000 meter
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then amadablam which is technically very very very difficult mountain,
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and came home took a month to recover and then started planning other mountains
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in the alps like grand paradiso which is 4 000 meters in italy and then mont blanc
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which is 4 800 meters highest mountain in western europe.
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And then the mighty matterhorn and if you've ever seen a matterhorn that is
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probably the most beautiful mountain in the world actually it's a toss-up between
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amad blah and matterhorn people say
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and i'm lucky to have summited both the most beautiful mountains in the world the matterhorn is,
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like like this it's extremely steep
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very dangerous very sketchy very nervy I had serious anxiety prior to going
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up it but I knew if I can do the Mathe Horn of Mont Blanc I can do Everest so that was the plan.
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If you listen to the podcast, this is like one episode where I really suggest
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you stop and you go to Sports Table Association YouTube channel to see the passion,
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in Tim's eyes here as he's describing what's going up. It's seriously infectious and inspirational.
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I was interested, over what sort of time period then? You mentioned you summited
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a few there, and it was a great example of progressive loading,
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which was great for the founder of Rehab My Patient.
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You kind of did it carefully in the steps, which is brilliant.
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But what sort of time period are we talking since when you first started and
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then kind of got to to Matterhorn for example it was probably well I did Amitablam
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about just under two years ago,
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which was the bit which was a big one I I classified big anything over 6,000 meters,
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you know that's where you are in serious mountaineering yeah arena you know
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4,000 meters mountains you know they're tough,
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Kili's an almost 6,000 meter mountain and and that's you know a brilliant transition
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point from sort of hiking into mountaineering, Mount Tubical in Morocco,
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which I've not done, or Killy.
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But these are great, you know, these are great starter mountains for going into something much bigger.
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Excuse me, to put that into perspective, Everest is what, 8,000 something?
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8,848.9 to be specific. Or you'll say that's 848.
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But from the way you talked about it, Matterhorn can be more of a challenge then?
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Because it's the matter is very very very dangerous and very difficult but everest
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is way harder there's no doubt about it but what we say is the matter is very
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technical which means there's a lot of a lot of climb a lot of rock climbing,
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Whereas Everest has less rock climbing, but it's much, much, much harder.
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And much, much harder than Mont Blanc. You know, Mont Blanc has,
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Matterhorn's had over 600 deaths.
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And Mont Blanc's had, I mean, well over a thousand deaths.
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It's an interesting segue, actually, because I've been talking about you to
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a few people, obviously, because I'm just so impressed. And knowing you,
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I mean, one thing is talking about, oh, Everest, but then knowing someone who
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is actually doing it, or first of all, decided to do it and then done it.
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It's just, it's very special. And so I've been talking about you to people and
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it's funny isn't it it's funny how so many people they kind of respect the fact
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i know you and they think on that case he's not just some idiot who's kind of
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gone up there a whim that you prepared for it but there is some bad presses
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in there for this sort of thing they do think that there's a lot of deaths it,
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puts a lot of stress on emergency services and sometimes they can run problems,
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i guess that still goes on but to make it clear you really prepared for this properly didn't you.
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Yeah i did i mean just to talk about that point so so i didn't meet a single
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tourist out there that was something everest they were serious mountaineers,
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yeah they probably were there probably were people up there but everybody that
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i met and i met quite a lot of people they had climbed some big mountains you
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know in my team of 13 they were they'd all climbed serious mountains like denali mont blanc amateur blam,
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several times some people you know so they climb big mountains so it's very
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very unusual to get a tourist turning up and the reason for that is it's because
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you have to have a strong technical knowledge of what to do,
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the equipment the clothing the conditions the actual equipment that you've got
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to wear and how to use it's quite complicated if you don't know what you're doing so it's
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very very hard to just turn up and do it you've got to and and most reputable
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climbing companies will not let you you have to put down what you've climbed
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before you apply for these big mountains you know that
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if you put down i've climbed ben nervous and snowden and i now want to go and climb.
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Everest that they just won't every episode company will not accept you onto
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their team because you're a liability to their to their team to their sherpas
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you know you're high risk and so,
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so it doesn't really happen i'm sure that i'm sure it does but but very.
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I didn't meet anybody that was was a tourist up there so without going,
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dwelling too long on the morbid side of things but the numbers you mentioned
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of tragically people who don't make it,
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these are people this includes people who experience climbers as well yeah problems
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oh yeah and look we had five deaths on everest this year which is a very very good year,
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okay so i mean i summited at 1 22 p.m and i i didn't see them but it was an
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indian team straight after me they
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summited at two o'clock so we must have passed each other as i came down,
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they ran out of oxygen just after the summit and had to leave a guy behind at the hillary step,
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and they left that guy behind because they ran out of oxygen two of them almost
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died up there unfortunately one did die his friend made it down far enough to
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get a replacement bottle from another climbing team but he was running out of oxygen
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i met that guy on the way down in the icefall and he
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i stopped we stopped we chatted and he explained to me what happened and this
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was one of recorded deaths
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two days later that body's on a heli it took our heli we were going to get a
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heli out of base camp and they put a body on it and got the last heli so we
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had to spend the night in base camp which is fair enough,
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but this is the reality and i watched that body fully clothed go onto a heli.
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And get airlifted out, helifacted out, repatriated or whatever the term is called. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But, you know, people do die. It's a very, very good year this year.
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A Sherpa, 20-year-old Sherpa died.
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So he fell on the lotsy face. And people have said to me, I mean,
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Tim, you know, if you fall on Everest, it can't be that bad.
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You just kind of slide down, right?
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But the problem is, it's absolutely full of crevasses.
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So you don't just slide down. well and you slide down but you fall in a crevasse
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which is exactly what happened to this 20 year old sherpa,
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he unclipped he fell down the lotsy face and fell into a crevasse and they're 40 to 50 meters deep,
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and they're everywhere which is one of the reasons why through the crevasse
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fields we all rope up so we rope to our sherpa or to another member a climber
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so if one of us falls down the other will stop us.
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This is crazy but i guess it's you could say the same risk is there for people
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who i don't know jump on a motorbike and race at 200 miles an hour formula one is is part of the,
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risk probably why people do it it's yeah there's all there is risk there is risk but
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you know when you take the body to an extreme or in an extreme environment the
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risk increases yeah yeah you know mountaineering is the second most dangerous sport in the world,
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to base jumping right yeah and that's yeah that's statistically you know established
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you know so there is a lot of danger and if you do enough of them at some point
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you're probably going to get into real trouble
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there are some exceptions out there like nims die who you know summed,
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you know 40 mountains over 8 000 meters or whatever you know 40 times,
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who's the exception but if you do enough of them you know there's a good possibility
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that something's going to go wrong. Yeah.
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Okay, let's move away from the depressing side of things.
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There's many more questions, but we'll get rid of that. So we might dip into it a little bit later on.
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Just to mention as well, before we bring up some images, you did this for some
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charities as well, didn't you?
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There was raising, I mean, there was a video put out on social media the other day.
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I think it's on your maybe Facebook or Instagram program, which Give It The
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M is a wonderful video, which kind of took people through what you did in the
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lead up, which included going to a school or something, didn't it?
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And doing a kind of, so talk to us a little bit about that and,
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yeah, the charities you were raising money for.
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Yeah so i went into local schools and the kids all tried on my gear and we raised
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money for pet from parents and and we had an everest day at local school we
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raised 13 500 pounds which was amazing,
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and then we raised another 9 800 pounds to four charities including the sherpas
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so i i donated money to sherpas so i donated four thousand dollars a lot of
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my own money actually more of my money than raised
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to sherpas to buy solar panels for their lodge and and then
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we raised so that the rest of that money that that 9 800 went to guys or hasn't
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yet but it will be going to guys and st thomas's an education group and and a.
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Health foundation and then we raised 3 200 pounds for an orphanage in katmandu,
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and they have just bought bedding and pillows for all the kids they've paid
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school fees for 20 orphans for the next year and we're paying for a new water
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system for their orphanage,
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and so that's really amazing and the cool thing is this this money's going directly
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to people there's no third parties it's going directly and they're buying this
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stuff and your money goes a long way in Nepal,
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so three thousand pounds to an orphanage in Nepal is like you know that's like.
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Probably you know you can get a lot for that money,
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out there and so so we raised a lot of money and we we did a lot of good things
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we we also i built a website for,
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the lodge owner that that looked after me in in one of the villages and that
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will go live in a couple of weeks we've we've been working on it so we've got
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a new website coming up so he can attract more western clients into his his hotel,
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and i believe but you know and i the reason i did this one reason i did this
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because the the first you know the first ever person to summit everest sir edmund hillary,
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gave back an enormous amount to the to the kumbu region to the himalayas he
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built hospitals he built schools he even helped build the airport which is called
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the tenzing hillary airport in luckla at.
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2400 meters elevation i think this or 2800 and so he gave an enormous amount
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back and his foundation have actually built something like 50 schools,
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and i think if we're going to go over and climb another nation's mountain for our own benefit,
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we have to give back and and i was determined to do that so so so i have given
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back and i'll continue to give back and support the people.
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That's such a yeah that's such a great way of looking at it that's really cool
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that last bit you said in particular yeah if you're,
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not taking advantage of you're using for your own benefits a structure or something
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in somebody else in another nation's land then yeah you've got to give something
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back that's really cool way of looking at it,
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i just want to mention you mentioned as well guys and saint thomas charity that's
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got personal meaning to you as well with the money you raised for them,
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yeah they did my wife's kidney transplant so my wife had very serious kidney
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failure and they did a transplant with her in 2012 and then when k got pregnant
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they supported us massively through the pregnancy because,
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having a one one kidney in your,
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above your bladder is a big complication for pregnancy so they gave us a team
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they had a multiple student team of five people,
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the day she went into labor they had a team on call and they would have sent
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a team to us from guys hospital to look after us,
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and and they were on call through the night available for us it was amazing
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so i mean you couldn't pay for it they really did an incredible job we had two
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very successful births and and
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so i thank them for their support for that that's amazing that's so cool.
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I guess we need an extra shout out for Kay and kids as well,
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because although they've been involved in your mountaineering over the years
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and that, it must have been kind of weird.
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I'm sure they've kind of had a few conversations now about you being away and
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maybe not contactable sometimes and just knowing how dangerous it is.
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That must have been quite tough for them and maybe tough for you knowing what
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you were doing and just having to do it maybe in some sense.
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Yeah, it's really tough. Like when kids are going up to your 10 year old boy
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at school going, you know, your dad could die on Everest and things like that.
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And of course, it's incredibly stressful for Kay.
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She has to pick up all the pieces. You know, where I do school runs,
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she's now got to do school runs. She's got to take George to football.
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She's got to do X, Y, Z. You know, they're all the things that I'd normally do.
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And she has to pick up those pieces. As the grandparents, they stepped in and
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picked up pieces as well.
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And ultimately, climbing mountains and doing long expeditions like this is an
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incredibly selfish thing to do.
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And I knew that. And I try and make that up to them now.
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And there's something in me that just had to do it. but it's selfish and other
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people have to fit around me and my choices because of things that I've done
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they have to then adapt and it's it's stressful for them and and upsetting at times.
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That's very big of you to say that. That's cool. Great.
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Well done, Kay. Well done. Must be very tricky for you and the kids.
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And just before we move on to have some fantastic photos, just a selection of
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the photos, just to let people know the JustGiving page is still live, is it?
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If people do want to give anything to those. So we'll make sure it goes in the show notes.
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But if you are listening live, or if you're watching this and you've got a pen
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handy, then it is justgiving.com forward slash crowdfunding forward slash,
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and then just write Summit Everest at the end of it. So S-U-M-M-I-T, EV, E-V-E-R-E-S-T.
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And that'll take you to the Just Giving page to raise some money for some of
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those charities, which you mentioned. So yeah, amazing.
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Brilliant one. So inspirational.
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Right. Do you want me to tell you about the journey?
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I think so. I feel like I want a photo. I'm quite visual. Should I bring something
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up? Why not? Should I bring something up? We know that a lot of people will watch this.
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Again, if you listen to the podcast, you want to see some photos,
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then Tim will talk us through it.
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And he realizes if you listen to the podcast, you might not well you won't be
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able to see what's on the screen but for those of you do like a bit of visuals
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then you might want to go over to youtube as we have a look now and bring this up so,
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i mean that i guess is is you playing with some lego looks like on the top of
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now what's going on that is.
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8 848 meters at that point i was standing in,
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on top of the world it was just you know two meters above me,
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there was no one higher than me and i had two or three minutes where,
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i was standing on top of the world and and there was no one else up there,
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and it was an incredible experience i look back it was tough very tough at the
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time it's only really sinking in now but that's 8 848 meters i've taken my oxygen
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off for about 10 15 minutes and was just breathing the air
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and and it's quite a steep steep it's very steep just there so you kind of most of us sit down,
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and yeah that was top top of the rest that's crazy i love the way you put that
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you literally were the highest human being in the world at that time that's so crazy.
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That is pretty crazy so yeah i thought i'd start with that um just to show where
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you've got but i'm really interested in the journey
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um and everything as well i just feel i want to mention this so much we could
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do this for two hours but i was really impressed when you meant in the preparation
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when we had on the show before when you were talking about some of the latest
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developments in me have my patient um software,
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um i think it was the ai element but you mentioned that you'd been sleeping
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in a tent to get used to the oxygen deprivation to remind us listeners a little
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bit about that in the preparation what that involved i spent five months sleeping in an altitude tent,
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so i had two hypoxic machines one in my office and one in my spare room during
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the day i'd go through pairs for five minutes on five minutes off,
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with a hypoxic machine where i could work with it very hard to work but i did
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it many days and in the at night i would sleep in an altitude tent so i had
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a tent on the spare bed so k is in,
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main bedroom i was in the spare room tent on the spare bed and then i'd sleep
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in the tent attached to a hypoxic machine which would pump low oxygen into the tent
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we started at 2 000 meters i pushed it by about one to 200 meters every five
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days and after five months i got up to 6 600 meters which puts a lot of stress
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through your body And I would even, when I went away.
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When I went to Snowdonia or Cornwall, I took the machine with me.
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Spoke to the hotel and put the machine up and rigged it up in my bedroom,
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so i was constantly sleeping at altitude
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so to mimic the the 6 000 meters well what sort of oxygen percentage are we
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talking about to prepare your body for that what did you get to and i was getting
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down to about 11 percent oxygen so sounds so,
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20.9 percent to 11 about 11 percent yeah,
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so that's one of the preparation things are so important isn't it that's kind
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of like yeah i mean the hardest thing out there is without doubt is,
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is dealing with low oxygen and it's amazing because we we talk about energy
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and and and what do we need for energy and we talk about nutrition and carbs
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but by far the most important thing we need for an energy is oxygen,
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you know and breathing effectively and getting the oxygen in and utilizing that
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oxygen is just essential,
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at high altitude and the people that most suffer it's not necessarily i mean
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you could be there are people out there that run ultras there are people out there do iron mans,
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but you know it that doesn't that's not the deciding factor the deciding factor
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is how efficiently your body utilizes oxygen and how you cope with altitude,
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because because oxygen if you can't cope with altitude you get inflammation
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in your brain in your lungs it's very very very serious and a lot of people pulled out,
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because of altitude sickness incredible incredible.
27:41
Which is kind of a segue on that. There's a photo on here. If you see the podcast,
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there's a photo of you with your beloved Sherpa, whose name is Gilbert.
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Yeah. Yeah. That's Gilbert. That was my second Sherpa. So unfortunately I lost
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my first Sherpa. He had to get helivacked off Island Peak.
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He had mountain sickness on an earlier peak we'd done as an acclimatization summit climb.
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So I lost my first Sherpa who I'd done other mountains with,
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which was extremely distressing.
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And I bawled my eyes out. gosh yeah that's a real shock to the system yeah real
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shock to the system a guy i i,
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i loved and trusted and a real brother so i i we planned everest we would do
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everest together we you know and unfortunately he had a cold and he went up island peak,
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and got very sick and we had to get him a heli and he had to get evacuated to
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hospital he's fine now yeah i take it he's fine now yeah we're still in touch
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but this this is galby who's the replacement sheriff a great guy very very strong guy
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and this is at the top of everest the sign that back it says everest mount everest spring.
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I'm interested to what extent is the the physiology of sherpas,
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it's talked about and used an example but physiologically have they got like
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more of a tolerance to low oxygen capacity is that something just living most
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most of them are born at 4 000 meters and so you know so they are born at altitude
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yeah and and they there is a genetic,
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a genetic something genetic with their blood which means they somehow transport
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more oxygen i can't remember exactly what it is but it's there's some you know it's documented,
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online and so they're highly adapted to altitude and effectively what that means
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is that that their their red blood cells are bigger and carry more oxygen around
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and their body so they cope better in low oxygen environments.
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Amazing. Fantastic.
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I'm just going to go with these photos. That's good with you,
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because I think we take it back now a little bit now. And I'm hoping this will
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bring back some memories for you. And again, if you listen to podcasts and you
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won't be able to see this, you might want to go to YouTube.
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But then, yeah, we've got a photo on here, which is you. It says in the caption
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from Facebook, I think it was Day 5 Namche Bazaar. Is that the pronunciation?
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The gateway to Everest. Gateway, yeah, gateway to Everest. It's the Sherpa capital of Himalayas.
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So Namche Bazaar is about 3,000 something meters, 3,000 and 3,400 meters, it could be.
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And it's a beautiful beautiful town incredible sherpa town popular touristy
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now when i say touristy i mean it's still in the middle of it it's the middle of nowhere.
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Um in the himalayas and it's the gateway so from there everybody goes through
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namche and then kind of splits off into different directions depending on where you want to go,
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which is why it's kind of a gateway so there's a lot of very interesting history
30:25
there and and prayer areas and flags and and and things that's been in water
30:30
and it's a very cool place what do they there's in the image there's i'm not
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sure if they're locals but i was interested what do,
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locals make of you do most of them speak english or do they kind of look at
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you with a quizzical look of what is this guy doing what's whitey they're doing
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is he's kind of trying to go climb up our mountains or what's the yeah how are you,
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how did you feel they're walking around so so welcomed i mean the nephalese are incredible
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they are so warm they're gentle they're kind the sherpa people are just amazing
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i don't know if it's because i was english and we've got this fantastic history of the gurkhas,
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and the gurkhas are incredibly that that is the top of the top out in the pool
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that is one of the most respected jobs that you can get
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and thousands of people apply and it's very very hard for nepalese to get into
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the gurkhas and so if you get in you're very well respected so i think we've
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got this great history and tradition of working with with the Brits and and
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they treat us extremely well
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I I mean they're just the most wonderful people,
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um which is another reason why you just want to give back because they're just so lovely.
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That's so cool. That's so nice to hear. Okay, another one and you in the hospital.
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Hospital? No, sorry, four years left. You in a helicopter.
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Just tell us where you went to there. What was that? I think that was after
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we summited. So I think we were flying back from Everspace Camp to Dingboshe.
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Actually, we had to get diverted, so we went to Ferrishe and then hiked to Dingboshe.
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I think that was in a heli coming back, and we were very lucky to get a heli
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back. It was very crowded. People all trying to get helis out.
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Everybody's departing Everest Base Camp and I think that was the shot we got
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several helis so I think I took four or five helis at various times because it was at some points,
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if you want to come down it's much easier but it could be a two-day hike or a six-minute heli,
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you know and so your body's really dead at some points you just need to get
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lower the helis very effective but they're hard to get a very inconsistent so
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if cloud comes in if there's too many people,
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you know there's a chance you're not getting on a heli and you you are typically
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waiting around three hours for a heli.
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Yeah yeah that's cool all the way down must feel great it did yeah i think actually
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the pilots all have oxygen so we have no oxygen there that's at you know 5 000
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meters but all the pilots have bottled oxygen yeah yeah,
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so what they're sharing it with you no we don't need it that we are acclimatized
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they're not oh i see what you mean okay yeah yeah they're not acclimatized they
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have to have bottled oxygen because they're just popping up to pick you up they're,
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not acclimatized so they have to have oxygen so they're breathing oxygen but we're not,
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that's so bizarre looking at the physiology it shows how we're just products
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of our environment and the context around us is quite incredible isn't it amazing
33:21
yeah it is amazing it is amazing.
33:25
Right, look, I want to know, let's jump to some of the bigger questions like,
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for example, on the way up, was there a particular moment that was particularly
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emotionally powerful for you, either positively or negatively?
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I mean, the most emotionally powerful bit that happened to me was coming down,
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was getting to the base camp after summiting.
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It was a six-day journey, so it took six days to summit and then get back down to base camp.
33:52
Yeah and and spending six days on everest is a very,
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tough thing to do i'd previously spent seven days during rotations so that was
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13 days in total on on on everest which was very very it's very harsh conditions up there
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and so when i got down i i just could not stop crying and i was uncontrollably
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crying so even though i was telling myself,
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this is ridiculous stop crying anything would set me off anything i mean so
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some trekkers came to our tent and wanted to chat and they started,
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asking about everest and i just bawling my eyes out and i just could not stop
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crying i spoke to k on the phone i could not stop crying,
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so so something emotionally happens it took a couple of days to get out of my
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system but anything would set me off,
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and that was just all the stress i guess would have been released so that was
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the most emotionally sort of challenging part i think was was was afterwards
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was the release the realization that that you're safe and,
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you know so curious because i bet i mean i bet a lot of listeners are thinking
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well obviously it's when you got to the top when you thought i've done it in
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reality i mean i'm sure that was an incredible moment like you said already
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but it's getting down to the end of thinking okay i have actually done it.
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When you get to the top you're only halfway there most deaths happen on the
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way down It's a survival. You are in survival mode.
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We were running low on oxygen. We're 8,800 meters with 50 kilometers an hour winds.
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And you are like, I have got to get the hell down in one piece.
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Because this is, you know, this is a dangerous place to be for too long.
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Was there anywhere...
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I suppose again on the way up mainly but was there any way you
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seriously kind of considered turning back and if there was what kept you going
35:35
or was it on summit night so we left at 8 30 p.m from camp four so we you you
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on some on we call it a summit push so we started stomach push at base camp,
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you know you then go through you go go through base camp which takes an hour
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and then you you go through the kumbu icefall which is big blocky big icy,
35:55
ice field with massive blocks and crevasses and and you know it's it's got sarax
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and it's got these massive blocks and it's an incredible place and we we went
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through there in the middle of the night and through the early morning and then we arrive at camp one,
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absolutely exhausted you sleep for an hour recover get up and then you trudge
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over to camp two which is uphill and it's absolutely exhausting as we get to
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camp two which is about five,
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thousand about six thousand two hundred meters,
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and then from camp two we we did we spent a night and then we pushed to camp three which is seven,
36:34
thousand nine hundred seven thousand and thirty meters and then we spent a night
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at camp three i spent a night without oxygen and then in the morning put on
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the oxygen bottle and then we climbed to camp four which took about 10 11 hours,
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and we arrived at camp for about 2 p.m the next day.
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And then we had an hour a couple of hours rest and then we started our summit
36:57
push for the for the main summit and that took 17 hours to get to the summit.
37:03
It was hell and i cannot describe i mean it was hell i mean and i'm,
37:10
There were lots of people. I didn't ever want to turn back, but there were lots
37:14
of people coming down. One guy came past me and he just shook his head and did
37:18
this with his gloves and just shook because it was really windy.
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And the problem we had was we went on the second busiest day.
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So there was packed. I mean, we caught up a queue ahead of people. I mean, you know.
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We were planning to summit at 10 a.m. And we didn't summit till 1.22 p.m.
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And we left so early, half eight. And there were 100, maybe 150,
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60, 80, 100 people on the mountain already.
37:49
Oh, my God. You can see the head torches going all the way up Everest.
37:53
And we caught the queue up. But then we had to queue. And we were getting battered
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by the wind. It was so strong.
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So that was not good. A lot of people turned back. It's very frustrating.
38:06
We didn't turn back. A lot of people turned back.
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What? When you're saying we in this, this is you. Myself and my Sherpa.
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Yeah, the two of you as a pair. Yeah, I had myself a Sherpa,
38:16
I had a videographer, which was almost pointless because he was getting absolutely
38:23
brutally battered up there as much as I was.
38:26
So you could barely use any devices up there.
38:29
I mean, we were so cold, you could barely grip the Jumar, the ropes.
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You could barely walk. I mean, you imagine, like, I don't know if you've ever
38:38
jumped into cold water, like a lake swim.
38:41
But you know that feeling, like jump into a really cold water,
38:44
and your muscles seize up, and you can't use them. You're like,
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you have this almost shock.
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That's what it's like on Everest to 8,000 meters.
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It's like your muscles don't work, because you're so cold, you have no oxygen.
38:57
And then we were standing in a queue. I mean, these queues are real.
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I mean, we were standing, we were in this queue for like on and off for like two hours.
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It was really bad situation. And of course you're using more oxygen because you're taking longer.
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So everyone, a lot of people running low on oxygen. A lot of people got frostbite,
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including I got very minor frostbite on my big toe.
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And it was like, it was difficult situation.
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It was hell. It was really hell. Yeah.
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Was this, I mean, the queuing, for example, was that something which you hadn't planned for?
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Or indeed, I'll write the question. Was there like a particular misconception
39:34
you had before doing it that you didn't realize until you were there?
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I didn't realize how bad it would be. I didn't realize how bad queuing would
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be. Everybody said there's going to be queues, but I didn't realize how bad it would be.
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You know, I just thought, okay, what if there's a queue and we'll just go around
39:47
them? We'll just climb up around them. And we did a little bit,
39:50
you know, people were getting into trouble.
39:51
I passed two guys on ropes that were in real serious trouble up there.
39:56
Very close to camp four and and you have to go around them they had they had
40:00
people assisting them but you had to go around them and when you go around them
40:04
and you go off the fixed line,
40:07
it's just exhausting absolutely exhausting and you know you have to stop because
40:11
you just have no energy so you end up literally forming a queue and you're all going a snail's pace,
40:17
because no one's got the energy to almost overtake the queue because it requires
40:21
so much effort it's quite a bizarre experience but you take two steps and then
40:25
you wait in two minutes you take another few steps and you wait in two minutes
40:28
because of q constantine is down and that's because they're bottlenecks on everest
40:32
so there's technical sections on everest,
40:34
so there's sections where you actually have to climb up rocks.
40:38
There are technical sections on Everest, like the Hillary Step.
40:41
We were queuing at the Hillary Step.
40:43
You know, you get to the Hillary Step, according to ChatGPT,
40:45
it should take 40 to 60 minutes to get to the summit. It's only 100 meters.
40:50
It took us two and a half hours. Oh my goodness, yeah. And you don't want to
40:54
be at 8,800 meters for two and a half hours, I can tell you. You are burning oxygen.
41:00
Yeah? You are flying through oxygen. It's a bad situation.
41:04
So that's why we summited so late, 1.22 p.m. and you everyone knows the famous 2 p.m rule,
41:11
you know you need to be up there and turned around by 2 p.m or you're coming
41:14
home in the dark and you're in trouble yeah and that's where most people get
41:18
in trouble is when they summit late,
41:20
because of the weather changes in the afternoon what happens in the kumbh region
41:24
is a lot of times the clouds come in in the afternoon and that's where things
41:28
get nasty and of course you run low on oxygen.
41:31
And people think, oh, you just put another bottle on. Yeah, who's going to carry
41:35
the damn thing? They weigh four and a half kilos.
41:39
Yeah? And that, when you're trudging up a 50 to 60 degree slope in crampons,
41:44
in 8,000 meter boots, in an 8,000 meter suit,
41:48
absolutely frozen with no oxygen or very low oxygen, very low flow on your oxygen canister.
41:56
And you're carrying four and a half kilos. We were carrying eight kilos up to the summit.
41:59
It is hell. It is hard, hard work. And you are exhausted, absolutely exhausted.
42:07
What did you do? It reminds me of like ultra marathons and endurance runners.
42:11
They're kind of like a joke of where it's 80% psychological and then the other
42:14
20% is in your head kind of thing. But.
42:19
Did you consciously prepare yourself for the psychological challenge you're
42:22
doing? Because physiologically you were on it.
42:24
Was there anything you did in preparation for that psychological?
42:29
Physiologically, I was super fit. I'd run every single day, except when I was
42:33
at Maton and Mont Blanc, I'd run every single day bar two days for the last
42:39
450 days or something like that.
42:41
So I was doing a lot of endurance running.
42:44
In January, I did the, you're probably familiar with the 396 challenge,
42:49
where you run 396 kilometers in January, run 1K on day one and two count.
42:55
I did that. So I'd done some endurance stuff.
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Are super super fit but their mind you have to prepare because you could be
43:02
as fit as you like but if you've not got the mindset,
43:05
your body is gonna you're gonna get beaten because your mind your body's dead
43:10
everybody's exhausted everybody's exhausted,
43:14
Everybody, everybody's got no energy. A lot of people are low on oxygen,
43:17
but your mind tells you, my mind was telling me one step, one step,
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one step, one step. Just take one step at a time.
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Go as slow as you want. Just take one step at a time. And then my mindset when
43:28
I couldn't take one step because I wasn't strong enough, my mind told me take
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half a step, half a step, half a step, half a step.
43:35
So it's like going like this, half a step for like five, six,
43:39
10 hours up a slope like this.
43:43
Amazing and if you look at video footage i've got video footage people just
43:47
stand there it's like a line of people just standing they're not moving,
43:51
or they're moving so slowly it looks like they're not moving because everybody
43:55
has to go slow you just don't have the energy to go fast because it's a little
43:59
oxygen even with a canister you can't get anywhere near normal levels of oxygen
44:04
because you've got a flow rate,
44:05
if you put on a high flow rate you use the oxygen so so where to get the other
44:09
bottles from you know i paid for extraction and it didn't even it wasn't there,
44:15
i paid three thousand dollars i think it was for extra four bottles of extra
44:18
oxygen and it wasn't there we didn't get it,
44:21
so you can't rely on it how do you get logistically bottles of oxygen up to
44:25
eight thousand meters not very easily.
44:28
Yeah so was there was there looking back was there some psychological preparation
44:33
you did to get that determination or do you think it's something that your
44:37
life experience has brought you or do you think it's a genetic predisposition
44:41
you've got just to be able to not be the one who turns around what do you put it down to i think,
44:45
i've always had a bit of an ethos of not giving up you've got to have a not give up attitude,
44:50
and that can be dangerous as well because sometimes it's right to turn around,
44:56
but you know you've got to have an attitude of you have to keep going and and
45:00
they you know ant middleton talks a lot about i used to listen on celebrity sas and essay,
45:05
and the sas program you know when your body is gone it's your mind that keeps
45:09
you going and it is it's true,
45:12
because there's no nothing in your body it's like you can barely pick your legs
45:15
up and and you have to you've got like one and a half kilos on each leg on each
45:19
foot and it's just and you're going through snow,
45:22
right and the snow is quite compacted but it's not like walking on a pavement it's like,
45:26
it's hard it's hard work you You know, the snow gives and it's physically strenuous.
45:33
So it's your mind. Your mind is everything.
45:37
Absolutely incredible. Out of interest, was there...
45:41
Was there something small that maybe you took, which turned out to be really useful on the way?
45:47
Or was everything go to plan and you had what you had? Nothing goes to plan on Everest.
45:52
Absolutely nothing. Nothing goes to plan. And the same for everybody. Everybody gets ill.
45:58
Nothing works out. Nothing goes to plan. You know, I had my bag stuck in Heathrow
46:03
and my kit bag was stuck in Mumbai and arrived three days late in Kathmandu.
46:07
I lost my Sherpa, who got helivacked off Island Peak.
46:10
I had stomach bug on my summit push going to camp two i had terrible stomach
46:17
cramps and diarrhea you know,
46:20
nothing goes to plan you know and and i i lost a glove i lost one of my gloves
46:25
down a lotsy face luckily i had a spare pair but i
46:29
my glove literally flew down the lotsy face you know nothing goes to plan my
46:33
phone battery died on on the summit nothing works,
46:37
everything goes wrong and that's high altitude mountaineering so.
46:41
Fortunately it was that extra pack of gloves that yeah the pair of gloves which
46:45
say today that was good that was i had some technical gloves for rock climbing
46:48
and i had some 8 000 meter gloves and i lost one of my technical gloves okay which i was wearing,
46:54
i did i wouldn't have worn it for summit day because it was too cold but but
46:57
i were up to camp for but yeah this damn thing flew down the lotsy face and that was it gone,
47:03
but nothing goes right nothing goes right you know i wore the wrong pair of
47:06
socks on one day because i couldn't find my socks because i didn't realize in
47:09
my sleeping bag i packed my sleeping bag
47:11
i couldn't didn't have the energy to unpack my bag so i borrowed some socks
47:14
off someone and then my boots rubbed my shins and i got blisters on my shins
47:19
and stuff like that you know and then,
47:21
i tried to put some blister pads on i took my gloves off,
47:23
my gloves my hands got crazy cold off where i got frostbite on my hands you
47:28
know nothing goes to plan everything goes wrong it's a mountain it's high altitude
47:32
and you have to be adaptable and cope,
47:36
incredible.
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So to bring it all together then, I mean, you are a very determined,
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incredibly dedicated professional and also in your own personal life as well.
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But I'm wondering then, even somebody of your nature who was like you were before
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you went up, has summiting Everest kind of changed your perspective anyway?
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Yeah. In terms of risk, ambition or anything else? It made me de-risk.
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Yeah, I de-risked my life, I think. and uh i'm not looking i mean i was thinking
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i'll do everest and i'll do k2,
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i don't think my body's strong enough for k2 and k2 is 25 death rate right now,
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you know and it makes you reevaluate what i've got in life and how lucky i am and i came back and,
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surrounded and england's such an incredible country and i've been so grateful
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to be back because it's just a different world from being in Kathmandu which
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is chaos and polluted and crazy busy traffic everywhere
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you know it comes at you all angles to being in the Himalayas where there's
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no cars but it's just so brutally cold,
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you know and it's so,
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I'm so lucky to live in a country like this where we have communications and
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stable internet you know you get power cuts every day in the Kumbu,
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there's no electricity It's all solar or gas, you know, there's,
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there's, so there's no mains electricity.
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And, you know, it's, it's such a harsh environment, but in England,
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we have so much, so many amazing things from our transport to our communication, to our, to our climate.
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And I've been so grateful to be back around my family. So I'm de-risking.
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I don't think I'll do another 8,000 meter. I don't think my body's strong enough.
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And I don't think that it's worth the risk having done a big 8,000er.
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They're, they're, they're dangerous.
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And although I was never in a situation where my life was threatened,
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like some people, I never got that bad. I never got to that level where I thought,
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oh, shit, I'm in real trouble here.
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And it's a very hard environment to be in.
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Very, very hard. I mean, the temperature swings are crazy.
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When the storms come in, the snow storms, it's like a whiteout.
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You can't see five meters in front of your face.
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And these the the variability of the conditions it changes so fast,
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in the mountains and it's just an environment you know i witnessed an avalanche
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i mean i saw several avalanches i mean there are avalanches there are 10 avalanches every day,
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and you hear them all the time but i actually saw one 200 meters ahead of us.
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And and this is not like an avalanche like snow comes down and you kind of go
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down with it these are like blocks of ice come down,
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and one of these blocks of ice hit a climber 200 meters ahead of us so we were two hours away,
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and and this guy had a serious head injury they got him a helicopter the helicopter
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circled like five six times just could not land i videoed the whole thing the
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helicopter came in tried to land had to fly off couldn't land on the side of mountain,
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they eventually landed this thing this amazing pilot landed thing with these
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guys on the side man trying to pull this heli and trying to tell him to move this way and,
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shifting that trying to get heli to shift over and they got this guy in a heli
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but this is the reality is there's avalanches there's weather conditions there's extreme cold
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there's low oxygen people get lost people fall people pass out
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people lie down and then don't get up again,
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that's the realities of of high altitude mountaineering.
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Well, it's powerful stuff. I don't know whether I want to put you in the position of someone.
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Do I? Yeah, because I won't get this opportunity again. Do it.
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If someone came up to you now and said, oh, Tim, I'm thinking of doing it myself.
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I've done this. I've done this. I'm thinking of going up.
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Do you think you would be more inclined to make them stop and think about it?
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Or would you be 100% there and going, prepare for it, do it.
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It'd be the most amazing thing in your life.
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If it feels right if it's in your heart and then and it's something you just
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have to do then then go ahead and do it the key thing is just being prepared
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prepare as much as you can with to minimize your risk,
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did you know if it is safe as long as you have a team and you follow the rules and you stick to the,
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the the rules and you're well prepared and you've done this sort of thing before
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it it's fairly safe and i say that i haven't talked all about death but it is
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it is a safe mountain compared to many mountains
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and and considering the number of people that go up actually the death rate's
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incredibly low and five deaths this year was incredibly low,
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you know it's incredibly low and so so you know the risk is is is,
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is there but it's it's it's a respect you have to have for the risks and for
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the mountain and as long as you do that and you're prepared and you go to a
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good team and you make those preparations you know then then go for it.
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Amazing. Okay. Well, look, it's five to nine. That's incredible.
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If you listen to podcasts, and this really is one I wanted to try and share.
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I know people these days don't join, not so many join live anymore,
52:41
but I know we're getting an awful lot of downloads.
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I'm hoping that if you are listening to this podcast, then yeah,
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do someone a favor and just send them the link to it so they can,
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because I'm sure there's so much everybody could get from this.
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I'm not saying everybody's going to go and climb Everest. God, no, imagine that.
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But there's so many life lessons there and so many do you know what i would
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say to people yeah just get outside and go and do a hike,
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you know find your closest big mountain in england,
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that could be a mountain on the south down a hill on the south as it could be
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the mountain in the dartmoor it could be in the lake district you know go find
53:15
one and just go and hike it could be scoff or pike or ben nevis or snowden or,
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or one of those you know go and hike them and and enjoy it and see how you feel
53:27
you know we take our kids up mountains and it's a brilliant way to de-stress to get away from tech
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to be in nature and it's great for like your physical and mental health.
53:38
Great what a beautiful way to sign out that's great,
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um gary benson has summed it up quite well as or very well gary benson founded
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the sta says sometimes there are no words but wow in capital letters yeah that's
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what i'm feeling gary no amazing,
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very very cool um if people are interested because you shared and managed to
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share so much as well on your social media feeds which is amazing so people
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can go back and relive this,
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journey with you they can go to tim.allardyce on instagram which is allardyce
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is a double l-a-r-d-y-c-e
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um also on facebook um they can find you there as tim allardyce which is great
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i'm on tiktok as well are we on tiktok now tiktoks yeah crazy so they want to
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see you doing a little dance or something crazy videos
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i did do a dance funny enough i thought she did ding boche with my shareper which was quite cool
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it's tim.climes.everest brilliant on tiktok i'll have to check out Yeah, TikTok.
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I'm excited about that. Yeah, there's some crazy videos.
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And then there's also... A guy getting rescued by the heli. Oh,
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really? Is that on TikTok? Okay. And there's a video of the guy going...
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The guy, unfortunately, is getting in a heli, being put into a heli.
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There's some hard stuff there. Wow.
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Again, there's also, we mentioned a couple of times, obviously,
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you've been on the podcast before talking about the exercise prescription software, Rehab My Patient.
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So if people want to go to rehabmypatient.com, all information about that exercise
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prescription software you can find there. And also across social media,
55:04
Rehab My Patient as well. There's a load of stuff there.
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If you do a search for Tim Allardyce on STA Christian Podcast,
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you'll find at least two other episodes talking about different aspects of that. So amazing. Thank you.
55:18
Right then. so just about enough time I,
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don't even want to say what's on next week now but I'm going to have to because it is
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it's going to be me in the hot seat first time in ages probably in two or three
55:30
years so if you're interested in joining the show then next week Gary Benson
55:34
founder of the STA is going to take the host seat and he's going to
55:38
ask me questions about a topic we've put together which is called it's not the
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person rethinking difficult conversations in MSK practice so yeah it's going
55:46
to be in the hot seat answering questions about that.
55:49
With regards to my passion and knowledge of communication skills.
55:52
As some of you may know, I've recently hung up,
55:54
My Run Chat Live gloves or shoes probably is better to say for that.
55:58
And social media accounts has all moved officially over to my new website,
56:01
mattphillips.education. So this is all kind of part of that to let people know
56:05
why after 12, 13 years of Run Chat Live we've moved over.
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So that'll be next week. If you want to join me live for that with Gary interviewing
56:12
me, that'll be live as always on YouTube and on the Sports Network Association
56:16
Facebook page. Or of course, you can wait for the podcast to come out on all popular podcast apps.
56:22
So that'll be next week if you want to join us. but that is like we have we
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cannot finish on that we need to finish on an amazing hour spent with the incredible
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tim allardyce who i had utmost respect for before obviously but now it's just
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like okay as gary said wow,
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i'm so pleased as well especially of what you said that you're back and you're
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safe and you're healthy and you're spending time with your beautiful family
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it's got to be really emotional,
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and i just want to say i just love the way you've described it all the little
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details of it hasn't just been a case of
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climbing a mountain because it's there it's been a case of giving something
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back to the community that's there
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it's all the money you're raising for charity and all the work you do,
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and and the stuff you said about you know how difficult it's been for family
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it's brilliant man really really inspirational so my hat off to you completely
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for all of that and thank you for sharing it thank you very much namaste.
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Namaste is a lovely way to end it my people even listen to the sda collision
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podcast uh with my very very special guest Tim Allardyce.
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If you're free next week, then do come along at 8 o'clock on YouTube or Facebook.
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But until then, take care of yourself, take care of each other.