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Elijah Abraham: Evangelism, Media Lies, Corruption In Ukraine · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Hey, friends.
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  What a blessing we have today.
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  Elijah Abraham is back with us and before we get to...
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  So Elijah Abraham has been with us before he's a brother I've known for many years.
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  He's the executive director of Living Oasis.
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  He was born in the Middle East.
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  He grew up as a Muslim.
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  He fled the Middle East as a teenager, lived in Europe for several years.
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  But he came to America and he got a degree from Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary.
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  In Fort Worth, Texas, he's been a pastor.
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  I consider him a teacher of pastors.
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  And he's one that's really helping equip the saints globally, not just in America, but
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  worldwide.
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  And we're going to talk about some of his travels.
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  Elijah, brother, good to have you back on World View Matters.
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  Thank you so much, David.
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  It's always a pleasure to be with you and it's great to see you face to face.
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  Yes.
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  Well, you can see me.
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  So let's explain for our newest viewers why they cannot see your face.
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  But it just says the voice of Elijah Abraham, that's for security reasons, but explain
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  that.
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  That's correct.
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  Yeah.
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  I am a missionary.
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  I am a global missionary and sometimes I go to countries where they don't like missionaries
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  or they don't like the church or Christ.
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  So I had to really be discerning and to be wise, not to expose my face and jeopardize the
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  ministry that God called me to.
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  And also not just the ministry, but also physically, you know, my life as well as my family.
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  We have faced many issues even here in America where we received many death threats and to
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  evacuate my family out of our own home a few years ago and relocate an undisclosed location.
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  So I'm just trying to be wise because the Lord commanded us to be wisest, fervent, harmless,
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  is does.
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  And that's what I'm doing.
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  So I appreciate you to allow me to come to your program and just listen to my voice.
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  Yes.
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  So now you are a former Muslim are most of the threats from Islam of Muslims.
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  I couldn't explain.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Pretty much.
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  You see, there is an apostasy alone, Islam.
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  If you, when you are a Muslim, you really have no choice but to be a Muslim.
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  As a child, you born in a Muslim family, you have no choice, like, like I did, but when
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  I got older and became a man and, you know, looking into my own salvation and where I'm going
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  to go after death and make up my own mind.
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  If I, you know, because I decided to leave Islam and follow Christ, that's death.
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  That's apostasy law.
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  You leave Islam.
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  You die.
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  There is no, um, the option for anybody to disbelieve, the freedom to disbelieve, you
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  know, in the church, we have a lot of people drop off the church and decided to disbelieve
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  in the last few years, you know, many pastors who did really well as far as preachers.
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  And next thing, you know, I'm walking away the face.
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  I don't believe.
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  Well, neither you are going up to them with a sword or a gun that's between him and God.
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  God is going to take care of that.
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  In Islam, that doesn't work that way.
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  In Islam, you know, you leave Islam.
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  It's the duty of every Muslim around the world, 1.5 billion Muslims.
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  If they know that you're an apostate, it is their duty to kill you because that's an arch
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  on the shoulder, like, hey, he did a good deed to get rid of an apostate.
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  Um, I always challenge Christians, Muslims about that issue is, okay, if you tell me Islam
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  is the best in the world is a final revelation to mankind, Muhammad is a final prophet.
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  Why are you so scared of people that they decide to leave?
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  Of course.
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  You have to, why do you have to defend it if it's, it's like that's like the answer to humanity.
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  Does God, does your Allah need defense?
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  Does Muhammad need his defense?
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  I mean, how many times people insult Jesus and bad mouth him and all of that and defend
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  his name?
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  He doesn't see us going after them.
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  Hey, you defend my Jesus, you said bad words and we're going to kill you for it.
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  Yeah.
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  Jesus got, Jesus got big shoulders.
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  He can handle himself.
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  Exactly.
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  Well, you, I think, um, people like you who were Muslim and now are Christian, I mean,
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  it's, it's no wonder they're upset with you because you are now one of your think you
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  evangelize Muslims and you share the gospel and help them to understand contrast Islam
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  and Christianity and they don't like that at all.
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  Yeah.
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  And that's the beautiful thing.
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  You know, to be honest with you, Muslims are really hungry for righteousness, but they
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  looking for it the wrong place because that's all they know and the wrong place is Allah
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  and Muhammad, jihad and that's all they know because ultimately they want to go to paradise.
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  They don't want to go to hell.
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  So what I trying to help us look, there is a better way to find that righteousness is
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  God's way, not man's way.
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  You don't have to kill anybody.
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  Someone already died for you and he gave you a free gift of salvation if you just believe.
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  You don't even have to kill somebody to have eternal life.
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  And, um, you know, so when I open that discussion, they are interested, okay, tell me what you
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  have to say.
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  And of course, when they give me objections, okay, I'm ready to get to give an answer like
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  1st Peter 315, given answer for the hope that is within me, but do it in gentleness
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  irreverence.
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  So I'm ready to give an account, I'm ready to defend my faith.
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  The problem is what I'm facing around the world, Christians are clueless how to defend
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  the faith.
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  Is that usually when I meet the Christian, whether be a pastor or not, they tell me, I'm
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  a Christian.
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  That's a great good to meet you.
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  This first time I meet you.
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  So I'm going to give him benefit of doubt.
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  So I said, okay, I'm glad you're Christian.
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  Why?
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  Now, they tell me that how, well, somebody invited me to church, I walked down the aisle,
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  got saved, got baptized.
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  Now I'm a Christian.
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  I said, that's not my question.
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  I don't ask you how you got saved.
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  My question is, why are you a Christian?
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  And David, the problem is they don't know how to explain why they believe what they believe
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  and yet alone to defend it.
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  So that's why they are so timid in evangelism.
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  That's why many Christians would rather go to church, give them money and tie through
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  whether be to the church or to mission agency and leave me alone because I don't know
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  what to say when I meet a believer, you have a loan of Muslim.
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  Give me a Muslim, meet a Christian who doesn't know his own faith.
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  He'll just chew him a spitting in a heartbeat.
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  But when you have a Christian who is prepared to give an answer for what he believes and
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  no matter who he meets, whether he Muslims or not, man, he's a lion.
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  And believe me, I used to be very timid, afraid, you know, how to share the gospel because
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  at that time in my life, Christian walk, I was a baby Christian, did not know.
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  The more I learn about the scripture, the more I learned about biblical doctrine,
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  the more learned about what are the different worldviews, what are the objections?
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  And I learned, if you have to study, I've got to be a good student of scripture.
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  And the more I learned, the more boldness I had.
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  And at the same time, I have an incredible companion with me to help me.
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  That's the Holy Spirit.
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  And God has given us an a wonderful armor, it's called the armor of God.
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  And he gave us an incredible sword, it is called the Bible.
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  And he gave us a great holy cell phone called the prayer.
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  And we are the only human beings have a direct access to the throne of God.
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  And we Christians don't know how to use all of this.
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  So no wonder you have many, many baby Christians, a lot of them timid.
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  So that's why evangelism being suffered.
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  And to be honest with you, this is an incredible tool of the devil
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  that he has succeeded to keep Christians lazy.
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  Satan cannot take you to hell if you're truly born again, Christian.
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  However, he will do everything he can to discourage you from sharing the gospel.
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  But if you go to church, mountaineer, on business, tied, and so on, he's happy.
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  He clasps, he says, well done, stay lazy.
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  That's what I want you to do.
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  I don't want you to steal any of my own anymore.
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  I cannot take you to hell, but I don't want you to take one of my own to hell.
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  And that's what he's doing.
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  So the church in America and the West, the Seeker-Sensor Movement,
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  Chris Long, emergent church, all of this nonsense, accommodated that.
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  And they were there, they know it or not.
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  And I hate to say this.
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  Satan is really saying, well, don't children, I'm glad you're doing this.
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  You're doing my work for me.
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  And it bugs me because this kind of doctrine, this kind of churchy entity
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  from the West has been exported overseas.
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  And that's what I'm experiencing overseas.
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  And I'm trying to demolish that mindset.
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  And we start from the ground, build them up with some biblical foundation.
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  Then we help them to become lions.
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  I wasn't planning on talking about this, but you kind of brought it up.
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  You alluded to Elijah, the Christians in the West, especially in America.
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  So busy, so distracted, it's entertainment, you know.
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  But when it comes to sharing the gospel, do you think there are a lot,
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  I know a lot of believers that go to Bible studies,
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  they're involved with Bible prophecy.
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  They keep up on all the current events.
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  They know a lot, and they're growing in the grace and knowledge of Christ,
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  but they're not sharing it.
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  So I think there's a disconnect when it comes to giving away what we know.
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  And you don't have to be the gospel is not that complicated, but we just need to share it.
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  Right.
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  You have two different kind of groups, well, multiple groups,
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  but the ones that I see and sometimes in conferences, I see them in every conference.
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  Yeah, I call them professional conference goers, you know, wonderful people.
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  They love the more they, but unfortunately they get all this knowledge,
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  knowledge, knowledge, knowledge, but what are you going to do with it?
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  Yeah, and then you have those who are really walking by the spirit,
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  they get all the knowledge, they go to conferences, they serve, but the angelism don't do.
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  And the reason for that is one of the reasons there are multiple reasons, of course.
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  Of course, each person is different, something outgoing, someone introverts and so forth.
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  But the main one that I see is that American Christians have been conditioned by the church,
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  by evangelists, by seminaries, Bible colleges, that here is a formula.
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  You'll follow when you share the gospel and you will have results.
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  If you don't have results, there's a problem either with your faith or problem
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  with the presentation or problem with the formula.
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  So it's all result oriented.
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  And that's a problem because they are basically putting the burden on the believer
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  that he's the one has to convict and convert an unbeliever.
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  And that got the Holy Spirit did not give you only on any Christian that responsibility.
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  That's his job. Exactly.
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  So, so that's the problem, you know, that's one of the things for years.
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  People kind of, especially in missionaries when I call them out on not used
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  Christian movements and inside of movements and all of that nonsense and camel method
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  and Jesus and the Quran seminars.
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  And I'm called them out on this and they, they were kind of turned around and they
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  put on the finger of me.
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  Well, so if you don't like this methodology, how many Muslims you left to the Lord?
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  I said, that's the wrong question.
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  Well, what should I ask you?
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  You need to ask me how many Muslims that share their gospel with hundreds.
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  Yes, not thousands.
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  Now, how many Muslims I left to the Lord?
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  Probably about 12.
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  The other question, how many people, whether be Muslims or not, I left to the Lord,
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  hundreds.
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  So, how do you measure our success of our ministry?
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  Just because we reach Muslims for Christ and we equip churches,
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  how to reach Muslims for Christ, you measure it by how many Muslims I left to the Lord?
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  That is nonsense.
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  You see, I learned a long time ago about the Seats on principle,
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  the biblical principle that Paul talked about.
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  He said, I planted a polished water.
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  Yes, God brings the harvest and has something about this.
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  And I was challenged Christians.
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  Are you willing to be Seats or faithful Seats or the rest of the Christian life,
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  but never when anybody took Christ, are you content with that?
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  Majority of American Christians would not do it.
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  Why?
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  Because they want the tap and the shoulder at a boy, look at Jack, he's a soul winner.
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  Nobody's a soul winner.
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  Only the Holy Spirit is a soul winner.
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  Amen.
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  Amen.
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  Is the other challenge, I say, are you willing to water the Seats?
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  Somebody said before you, faithful water in the Seat like a palace,
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  but never when anybody took Christ, the rest of the Christian life,
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  are you content with that?
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  Again, they're not.
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  All they want, bring the harvest.
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  Every now and then, God, he sees your faith for us.
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  He's okay.
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  I'm going to encourage you.
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  I'll put you at this right time in the right place.
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  This person, I want you to be part of his salvation.
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  And that's what happened.
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  Every Muslim I led to the Lord, God already planted the Seat.
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  He sent many people, water in the Seat.
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  And he just blessed me to be at the right time to answer.
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  A specific question that that particular Muslim
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  have obstacle with.
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  Usually the Trinity, the incarnation,
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  or they aren't often to see the sculpture.
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  I answered that.
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  When I answered that, and they satisfied with the answer,
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  I also said, are you ready to see the Lord?
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  They say, yes, not because how good I am.
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  God has already been working on these people,
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  two, three, five, six years.
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  Let me give you a statistics.
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  When a Muslim can accept Jesus,
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  when a Muslim hears the gospel for the first time,
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  until he accepts Jesus as a period of time
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  about six or seven years.
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  So where am I in the seven years?
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  I don't know.
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  I would know immediately if that person had the Seat
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  so then him or not, because if he says,
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  yeah, I heard this before.
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  Okay, I know now I'm more on the seat of somebody else planted.
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  But if I see somebody, yeah, I don't like Islam.
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  Islam is no good.
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  Muhammad is a false prophet.
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  The Quran is false teaching.
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  I truly believe the Bible is true.
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  But I have a problem with the Trinity.
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  Okay, this guy's really close, man.
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  Yeah, let's talk about this.
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  Yeah.
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  So unfortunately, Christians in America
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  have been taught that you have to be so amazing,
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  evangelist and eloquent and twist the arm of somebody
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  into the kingdom.
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  No, just be faithful, answer questions
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  to the best of your ability.
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  Be good student of the Bible, okay?
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  Pray and get out of the way.
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  Yep.
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  Otherwise, you'll see one of the results is false converts
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  because we're trying to get them.
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  Just get people to answer and say quick prayer
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  and it's not even, they don't even have a good understanding.
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  But we've got to go back to, yeah, if you go back to the first
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  interview, that's what happened to me.
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  I was a false convert in the first six years.
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  Wow, yeah.
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  Wow.
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  And we're talking with Elijah Abraham.
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  Elijah, you were, I know you're on a new trip now,
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  but you were in four countries your last trip.
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  I haven't talked to you since then.
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  So before we got on, we were talking a little bit about Ukraine.
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  Don't want to spend a lot of time on it,
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  but a lot of Americans are a little confused
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  about what to think about Ukraine.
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  Even I'm talking about Christians now,
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  because our government is giving so much money to Zlinsky
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  and the globalist there.
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  We understand that some of that money is not getting to the need,
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  getting to the people, the church is suffering.
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  We've got believers suffering.
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  You've been over there.
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  You've helped feed people or get food over to people in Ukraine.
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  On your last trip, tell us about that.
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  Right.
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  Yeah, I went to an early march, came back in mid-April.
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  So I was gone for about six weeks.
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  I went to Poland, Romania, Moldova, and Ukraine.
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  And in Ukraine, we were there only two days.
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  We drove from Moldova into Ukraine.
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  And half of the past, there's evangelical pastors
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  already left Ukraine.
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  So now we have a whole lot more population of new believers,
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  because in war, people start thinking about eternal life real quick.
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  So we have a lot of new baby Christians,
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  and we're not enough pastors to disable and leave them.
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  So that's going to be my role for the years to come, more dwelling.
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  But in the meantime, we're trying to meet the physical need.
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  So in the winter, we help with not just food,
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  but also clothing, fuel, usually wood,
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  or some other propane tanks and whatever it is needed generators.
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  So, of course, definitely, bibles, tracks,
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  and during Christmas and during Easter and other
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  opportunities, we do a lot of special gifts and programs for the kids,
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  hundreds and hundreds of kids that we have helped with.
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  As far as food, we average about three tons of flour every every other month,
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  and which produces about 9,000 loaves a month.
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  We bought them two ovens, as well as a professional dome mixer,
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  and other supplies that they need.
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  In my trip when I was there in April,
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  we took about 1.5 tons of food that we purchased in Ukraine.
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  We went to a big warehouse, looks like Sam's or Costco,
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  and we got it because cheaper to buy in Ukraine than getting it all over
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  and getting to the border.
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  So, we bought it there.
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  The first night we stayed in Odessa, looks like a beautiful tourist town.
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  I didn't see any evidence of bombing or fighting,
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  except the port has been shut down and one hotel has been bombed.
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  But that's about it.
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  The amount of money that I saw there just blew my mind.
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  People driving, porches and Mercedes's and Tesla's and all of the expensive cars,
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  Bentley's and it's like, where is that money coming from?
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  Then I realized, oh, it's your tax money and my tax money.
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  Our tax money, all these billions of dollars basically paying for the elite of Ukraine,
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  including Zelensky, which he bought two super yards at $25 million each.
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  He bought a mansion or house in Miami, $25 million.
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  While I was in Ukraine, I got the headline notification on my phone
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  that he just purchased one of King Charles former homes for $25 million.
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  It's like, okay, he does not really have a decent job to create income.
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  So, where's the money coming from, except from you and me?
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  At the same time, that money, Ukraine is a money laundering operation that is being turned around
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  and being supplying money to our own corrupt politicians and deep state and manufacturers
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  and God knows who else.
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  And of course, as you know, and it's been proven that Ukraine was a hotbed for biological labs,
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  oh, but 24, I think, 25 labs that was proven that the United States government has paid for.
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  And also sex trafficking and child trafficking, it's a cesspool.
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  But when I went in and final destination in that second town that we stayed at,
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  we were only there 24 hours and I preached at a church there.
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  We had six people got saved.
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  And after the salvation, we had a line and we gave these baskets of food to these people.
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  And the rest of the food, the past are going to distribute it to small,
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  little bit of villages and towns.
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  But it's interesting.
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  They said, they were all nervous.
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  The pastor, my partners from Moldova,
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  so what do you guys nervous about?
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  They said, it's too quiet.
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  So what do you mean?
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  Well, we are used to in the town, you know, missiles flying bombs and everything,
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  the gunfire.
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  He said, but it's too quiet.
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  They're preparing for major offensive.
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  And we were only three miles from the Russian line, you know, the Russian troops.
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  And I said, you know what?
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  I'm not worried.
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  Be prayed over.
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  We have people praying for us.
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  We hear we brought the food.
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  I'm preaching tomorrow.
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  So I got to care of us protected us and we were out at the same time.
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  So to what is happening, it's really we are not told the story.
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  And in the United States, there's a massive propaganda about what the issue with Ukraine is.
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  Yeah.
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  That all they desperate, they're hungry and so forth.
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  You know, your tax money, my tax money, paying everybody's salary,
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  paying their pensions, their retirements.
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  And they are having a wonderful life.
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  And what I saw, nightlife, you got people going to restaurants and cafes,
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  the sirens went off and Odessa and I look at my partners.
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  I said, what do we do?
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  He said, I don't know.
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  Let's do what they do.
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  And I'm looking.
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  All the Ukraine is walking around having sandwiches, a coffee and so on.
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  It's like, okay, why am I worried?
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  So we're not told the real story.
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  Right.
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  And also the East European population like Moldova, Poland, Romania, Bulgaria,
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  they have their own set of propaganda.
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  They not been told the real story as well.
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  And unfortunately, European Union and NATO are part of the global list.
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  And they constantly are poking the barefoot nuclear confrontation with Putin.
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  So for the Christians, please don't believe everything is on television
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  or what you hear about and then use what's going on in Ukraine because it's not true.
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  I've seen it with my own eyes.
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  Now, are there refugees here initially in the beginning of the war
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  from the Dumbass region and Russia took that Dumbass region
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  because overall ethnically Russian people and he came to defend them
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  because the Ukrainian army had been bombing them
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  and cut off the water, electricity, and starving them to death.
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  So we did not know that.
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  Why did he take Crimea?
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  Well, the reason Crimea he took over, they were all Russian ethnically.
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  As a battalion and the Ukrainian army,
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  he'd been bombing them and shelling them.
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  Cut off the water, cut off electricity, cut off the food supply.
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  What's Putin going to do is, okay, I'm going to let them die and starve.
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  That's why he took over.
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  We didn't know that.
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  We didn't know this.
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  So I'm not hit to defend Putin by no means.
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  But the truth has not been told to us.
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  And you got the people as suffering.
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  Yes, you got the elite, just like we have elite.
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  They haven't a heyday, but the people who are desperate for the gospel
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  and food and shelter are being deceived and they are the victims.
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  And that's why we are there.
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  Wow, there's so much more we could talk about.
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  Where else did you go, Elijah?
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  We've just got less than two minutes left on that trip.
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  I went to Romania.
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  I taught at the seminary there and did a passes conference
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  and another conference for former Turks, pastors,
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  Turkish Bulgarian pastors came to Romania and did a conference for them.
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  And in Moldova, I taught at the Christian University
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  and did a passes conference.
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  A week from tomorrow, I'll be going to Southeast Asia
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  to two countries, Lord willing.
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  And so pray for that.
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  And I've been in a Southeast Asia now for this will be my tenth time since 2012.
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  And in those last nine times, the Lord blessed me to equip over 15,000 pastors.
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  We had close to about 1500 salvation,
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  thousands of seminary students trained.
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  And all of this by just one guy saying,
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  just Lord, hear my send me.
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  So praise the Lord that God can use a rotten sinner like me.
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  Oh my goodness.
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  Well, I'm thankful they're hearing the true gospel.
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  In some cases, you have to reeducate and take away,
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  explain to them what's wrong with the prosperity gospel.
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  Whatever else they have learned and get that out of the way.
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  That's the challenge.
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  Unfortunately, what I see in those countries,
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  this American hair has been exported on its feet.
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  So I had to demolish that to go into the real gospel and real Bible.
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  You got a very important job, brother.
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  Again, friends, if you want to help Elijah in his ministry,
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  livingoasis.org, and it is a 501c3 brother,
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  when you get back from your next trip,
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  we will be talking and catching up even more.
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  Thank you for all the work you do.
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  God bless you, keep you safe, and we'll see you soon.
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  I appreciate you, David.
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  I love you and I care for you and I pray for you and your wife.
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  That's for sure.
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  Thanks, Elijah.
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  I love you, brother.
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  Friends, such important work,
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  because people have either don't know the gospel
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  or have learned something that's not accurate or not correct.
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  Anyway, it's one of the reasons we have these shows.
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  God bless you, and as always,
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  keep speaking the truth about things that matter.