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Dr. Sharnael Wolverton Sehon – Grandfather Iboga · Destination Unlimited with Victor Fuhrman

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Speaker 1: My name is Victor Furman. Some call me the Voice.
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Speaker 1: I've always been fascinated with human nature, spirituality, science and
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Speaker 1: the crossroads at which they meet. Join me now and
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Speaker 1: we will explore these topics and so much more with
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Speaker 1: fascinating guests, authors and experts who will guide us to
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Speaker 1: destination unlimited. What if the roots of suffering are deeper
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Speaker 1: than we've been taught? Is their hope for the hopeless?
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Speaker 1: And may this be found in plant medicine? Returning to
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Speaker 1: Destination unlimited? This week, my dear friend, doctor Charnell Wilberton
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Speaker 1: Sihan shares that Grandfather I Boga, often referred to as
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Speaker 1: the Mount Everest of plant medicines, has drawn global attention
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Speaker 1: with opioid receptors and its growing exploration in addiction recovery research.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Charnell is a captivating multidisciplinary expert who seamlessly blends
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Speaker 1: naturopathic medicine, spirituality, and quantum science to empower individuals on
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Speaker 1: their journey to wholeness. As the founder of True TV
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Speaker 1: and author of five groundbreaking books, including the best selling
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Speaker 1: The Science of Miracles, Remembering the Frequency of Love, Doctor
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Speaker 1: Charnell offers a unique perspective on achieving optimal health and
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Speaker 1: unlocking human potential. Her website is doctor Charnell dot com
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Speaker 1: and she joins me this week to share her path
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Speaker 1: and just published book Grandfather I Boga, exploring a factory
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Speaker 1: reset for trauma, addiction, grief, neuroplasticity, and the human experience
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Speaker 1: through plant intelligence. Please join me and welcoming back to
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Speaker 1: Destination Unlimited, my dear friend, my soul sister, doctor Charnell Wilburton, Sea,
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Speaker 1: hun Welcome back, Charnell.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. I've been looking
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Speaker 2: forward to this. Good to be back with you.
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Speaker 1: Suaranel. For our listeners meeting you for the first time,
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Speaker 1: Please share your early path and how it led to
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Speaker 1: your work as a natural path and healer.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so kind of interesting. I did a lot of
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Speaker 2: odd jobs. I went to school. I wanted to be
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Speaker 2: in ministry, That's what I wanted to do, and because
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Speaker 2: of the denomination that I was in at the time,
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Speaker 2: they would not allow that. So when I went to college,
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Speaker 2: I went to a Bible school college and tried to
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Speaker 2: again enroll in religious education, and they so you can
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Speaker 2: marry a nice pastor or something, or be a missionary
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Speaker 2: in China, but you can't do that, So things have
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Speaker 2: changed a little bit. But so I went into wellness
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Speaker 2: and fitness and kinesiology and that was my undergraduate did
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Speaker 2: a lot of work in psych units, cardiac rehab as
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Speaker 2: a recreation therapist, and worked in gyms, and then eventually
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Speaker 2: things changed a bit where I could get my to
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Speaker 2: get my foot in the door with ministry. Did that
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Speaker 2: for seventeen years, traveling, teaching in retreats and different conferences
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Speaker 2: and churches all over and just teaching on spirituality, consciousness.
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Speaker 2: Started getting into kind of like the quantum field and
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Speaker 2: miracles and healing. Really really enjoyed that. And yeah, I
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Speaker 2: ended up getting sick though, and was pretty sick for
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Speaker 2: about six years. Doctors could not figure out what was
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Speaker 2: going on, and it led me to a n atropathic
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Speaker 2: way of doing things, and I met a couple of
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Speaker 2: naturopathic doctors another MD that sort of functions as a naturopath,
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Speaker 2: and that led me to my getting my healing and
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Speaker 2: getting off thirty three medications and really turning my life around.
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Speaker 2: And I was so inspired that I went back and
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Speaker 2: got my doctorate in naturopathic medicine as a thirty seven
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Speaker 2: year old woman with three kids under seven, so that
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Speaker 2: was fun. But did that and started teaching on that
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Speaker 2: and doing conferences and wellness centers and wellness clinics all
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Speaker 2: over and really studying plants that seemed to be something
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Speaker 2: that was really fun and important for me. And traveled
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Speaker 2: the world, whether it was in research or conference speaking
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Speaker 2: or just studying and learning more about these beautiful plants.
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Speaker 2: And here we are, here we are now.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely you had traveled to fifty six countries around the
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Speaker 1: world world. What was your impetus for doing this and
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Speaker 1: what did you find?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, A lot of it was to speak in different places.
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Speaker 2: Some of it was to find amazing plants, or to
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Speaker 2: travel to farms or distilleries to to look more into
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Speaker 2: how things were growing, how things were plant harvested, how
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Speaker 2: things were distilled, and or even went into jungles and
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Speaker 2: deserts to find really fun plants that just to see
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Speaker 2: what they can do and maybe some things that weren't
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Speaker 2: necessarily discovered that My mentor at the time would have
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Speaker 2: this notion that every country, every city, something there is
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Speaker 2: different with a plant that can do something different, and
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Speaker 2: so that I traveled a lot with him. I traveled
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Speaker 2: with him for twelve years and we we did a
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Speaker 2: lot and I learned so much from him, and it's
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Speaker 2: it's transferred over to now. He's actually passed now. But
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Speaker 2: I just came back from Croatia, for example. I was
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Speaker 2: there for a couple of weeks learning about hilochrism, and
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Speaker 2: that's my second time over there to dig in on
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Speaker 2: hilochrism in that plant. So yeah, that's that's kind of
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Speaker 2: what I'm doing or what I've done.
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Speaker 1: And before we talk about iboga, was there any specific
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Speaker 1: plant medicine that really grabbed your attention in those fifty
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Speaker 1: six countries?
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Speaker 2: Jeez, that's kind of like saying who's your favorite child?
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Speaker 2: To be fair out of all of the time that
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Speaker 2: I'm going to get emotional. Iboga stands alone on anything
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Speaker 2: I've ever experienced and or studied on the level of
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Speaker 2: diversity that it has to help so much. And I
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Speaker 2: think there's a lot of marketing on a couple of
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Speaker 2: areas that it really maybe is standing out too as
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Speaker 2: far as the public. But that's why I ended up
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Speaker 2: writing the book, is because there's so many other things
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Speaker 2: that it has that diversity with that I think no
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Speaker 2: one's talking about now.
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Speaker 1: The last time you were on, we discussed your best
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Speaker 1: selling book, The Science of Miracles, Remembering the Frequency of Love.
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Speaker 1: What inspired that book and what do you share with readers.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that book came after a very supernatural experience. I
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Speaker 2: was I had this encounter with two angels or I
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Speaker 2: don't know, I guess there were angels. There were messengers
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Speaker 2: of some kind. An angel just means messengers, so I
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Speaker 2: used that word literally, and they had some things to
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Speaker 2: say and I after that situation, I sat down, I
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Speaker 2: started writing everything that they told me, and it turned
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Speaker 2: into a book. And yeah, it's a book about miracles
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Speaker 2: and gives you the formulation and or the the hack
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Speaker 2: to miracles and how it's we're meant to do it.
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Speaker 2: And there's all kinds of graphs and charts that they
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Speaker 2: gave me, and they talked showed me how it works
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Speaker 2: with your Olympics system and our DNA and our bio field,
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Speaker 2: and it's it was pretty amazing and it's helped a
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Speaker 2: lot of people.
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Speaker 1: Do you receive a lot of messages from angels or
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Speaker 1: have you received a lot of messages from angels?
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Speaker 2: Actually, that's the that's one of the that's when it
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Speaker 2: started for me. I've had a few other encounters with well, actually, no,
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Speaker 2: that's not true. I had some encounters when I was pregnant.
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Speaker 2: Every single time I was pregnant, I was told by
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Speaker 2: a messenger, which now that I think about it, so
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Speaker 2: it wasn't the first time, but it was the first
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Speaker 2: time with these two particular, and I haven't seen them since.
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Speaker 2: Sometimes i'll hear their voice, one of them in particular,
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Speaker 2: and I know she's talking to me, but I don't
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Speaker 2: see them. Unfortunately.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if I ever shared this with you,
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Speaker 1: but back in the early nineties, when I had started
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Speaker 1: studying reiki, during one class, our teacher asked us to
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Speaker 1: place our hands over our heart, close our eyes, take
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Speaker 1: a breath, and see if anything came up. And as
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Speaker 1: soon as he said that, I did it and I
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Speaker 1: saw what I thought was an angel. And I never
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Speaker 1: had real angel consciousness before that time, and I said,
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Speaker 1: I believe I see an angel. He said, ask the
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Speaker 1: angel it's name, and before I could ask, I heard
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Speaker 1: the name Gabriel came out. That night, I went home
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Speaker 1: and my daughter said, my young daughter said, what's this
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Speaker 1: reiki stuff that you're learning? And I said, would you
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Speaker 1: like to experience it, and she said yes, and she
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Speaker 1: sat in the chair and placed my hands in the
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Speaker 1: back of her head and she said, Daddy, she said,
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Speaker 1: I see, And she started naming the relatives in our family,
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Speaker 1: some who had passed away before she was born. Said Daddy,
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Speaker 1: there's an angel floating above them. And I said, what's
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Speaker 1: the angel's name? And she said Kapriel. So that's sort
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Speaker 1: of confirmed for me the reality of this energy that
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Speaker 1: we call angels.
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Speaker 2: That's amazing. Wow. Now I don't think you have told
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Speaker 2: me that before, but that's pretty crazy.
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Speaker 1: In your new book, Grandfather I Boga, you share that Iboga,
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Speaker 1: and I quote, is the most powerful helper I've yet
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Speaker 1: to find. How did your awareness of iboga start and
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Speaker 1: where did you find it?
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Speaker 2: Well? I actually found myself in a kind of rough spot.
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Speaker 2: I life was lifing, you know, Victor, as it does,
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Speaker 2: and in my case, there were three deaths in a
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Speaker 2: short period of time, and a two week period actually,
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Speaker 2: and then right around right after that, my dog passed
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Speaker 2: and my mentor passed, and it made me question so
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Speaker 2: much and just really really kind of lost my footing
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Speaker 2: a little bit. And I was trying all the things
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Speaker 2: that I know to do you know, as a natural
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Speaker 2: path I have a whole wellness center full of different
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Speaker 2: tools and modalities to tot up your game and level up,
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Speaker 2: you know, hyperbaric and ozone and red light therapy and
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Speaker 2: infrareds ONA and just some beautiful things that offer some
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Speaker 2: great mechanics for the physical and the mental body. And
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Speaker 2: I was doing all of that hoping that it would
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Speaker 2: shift things emotionally, and in the end, I was. I
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Speaker 2: was struggling, to be honest, and I didn't want to
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Speaker 2: tell anybody how bad it was, but I was really struggling.
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Speaker 2: And then some other things kind of happened that really
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Speaker 2: I think was on the tipping point just within our family.
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Speaker 2: We had some things going on with my kids and
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Speaker 2: and this is pretty popular, but to one of my
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Speaker 2: daughters were estranged and I had I hadn't heard from
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Speaker 2: her in years, and my youngest decided that she was
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Speaker 2: going to go move and I knew that this was
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Speaker 2: going to end up like that. And yeah, there was
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Speaker 2: just some things that happened, and I got to that
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Speaker 2: point where I was just like not even really getting
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Speaker 2: out of bed. And I mean it's embarrassing to say,
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Speaker 2: but I had heard about people having depression, and I
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Speaker 2: had heard other people going through things and I had
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Speaker 2: a lot of empathy for it, but I really do
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Speaker 2: now because in my case it was really real and
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Speaker 2: just not a lot of motiv motivation to do anything,
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Speaker 2: just kind of feeling lost even in my career, not sure,
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Speaker 2: not sure what to do or which direction to go.
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Speaker 2: Just and I had I called a woman because I
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Speaker 2: was really studying David Hawkins ministry or I don't know
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Speaker 2: if you call it a ministry, but David Hawkins the
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Speaker 2: Map of Consciousness information and I found her through a
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Speaker 2: Facebook group and she offered to speak with me, and
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Speaker 2: we spoke, and after we got off the call, she
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Speaker 2: sent me this link to an interview regarding iboga having
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Speaker 2: to do with iboga, and it was a Joe Rogan interview.
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Speaker 2: I listen. I just saw the title and I was like,
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Speaker 2: what is this about? Like, I just thought that was
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Speaker 2: kind of weird that she was sending to me. And
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Speaker 2: so I responded back and I was like, Oh, you
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Speaker 2: think that I'm going to be, you know, like maybe
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Speaker 2: moving into this as a job, you know, And she
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Speaker 2: was like, I don't know. I just felt like I
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Speaker 2: was supposed to divinely let being divinely led to send
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Speaker 2: it to you, and I was like, oh, okay, and
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Speaker 2: she's like, did you watch And I was like no,
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Speaker 2: because for me, I don't know why I had made
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Speaker 2: up that this was not like my brand to get
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Speaker 2: into the second delic Realm. I did plants and kind
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Speaker 2: of dabbled a bit with it, but not publicly and
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Speaker 2: not like you know, definitely just not all the way
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Speaker 2: with that. And then I realized I was like, oh, wait,
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Speaker 2: you're thinking I need to do this like to myself,
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Speaker 2: and she was like, I don't know. Like I said,
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Speaker 2: I don't know, and so I did watch it, and
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Speaker 2: then that led to I mean, I was watching this
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Speaker 2: interview and I literally felt so pulled like a magnet
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Speaker 2: to it, and I was like, I have to know more.
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Speaker 2: And it just started this whole And it happened to
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Speaker 2: be on my grandfather's birthday, who had passed, and the
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Speaker 2: book is called Grandfather Iboga, and Iboga is actually called
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Speaker 2: the Grandfather, and so there was just a lot of
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Speaker 2: I felt almost like my grandfather had had a hand
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Speaker 2: in some of that. On the other side, like saying
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Speaker 2: like here, you know this is going to help you.
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Speaker 1: And the last time you were on with me. We
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Speaker 1: discussed the synchronous and miracles. And that's exactly what happened,
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Speaker 1: isn't it.
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Speaker 2: Yes, that's one hundred percent when happened. Is there were
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Speaker 2: I couldn't run from a victor. It was once it started,
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Speaker 2: it was like boom boom, boom, boom boom, and another thing,
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Speaker 2: another thing, another thing, another thing, and I was just
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Speaker 2: like and I ended up talking to someone about going
15:23
Speaker 2: and I was just totally intrigued. And I talked to
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Speaker 2: him the second time we had plans, we had dates.
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Speaker 2: I had put it down a deposit. Actually I hadn't
15:33
Speaker 2: put the deposit down, but we were talking about the
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Speaker 2: deposit and he said something that really scared me. And
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Speaker 2: he said, I just want to let you know this
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Speaker 2: is going to be the hardest thing you've ever done
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Speaker 2: in your whole life. And I was like, huh, okay,
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Speaker 2: that gives me pause. And he said why And I said, well,
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Speaker 2: I don't know who normally comes to you, but you
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Speaker 2: know this, this is and this, and start telling them
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Speaker 2: about miscarriages and abuse and something that were really showing
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Speaker 2: up through all the other things that were happening. It
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Speaker 2: was like yeah, And I was like, I don't want
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Speaker 2: to sign up for anything harder than that, Like I've
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Speaker 2: already went through hard stuff. And he says, well, you know,
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Speaker 2: I can tell you blank, blank and blank. And he's
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Speaker 2: telling me some different people that he's worked with that
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Speaker 2: I've went through some really hard stuff. And I said, well,
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Speaker 2: you know, let's just pause and we'll both just you know,
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Speaker 2: take a break. And he said, if you hear from me, great,
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Speaker 2: or if I hear from you great. If I don't great,
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Speaker 2: I wish you luck, you know, I wish you well.
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Speaker 2: And there was no pressure whatsoever. I got in my car.
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Speaker 2: And when I got in my car, my mentor who
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Speaker 2: had passed. He I listened to his CDs all the time,
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Speaker 2: just to stay close and near to him. And I
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Speaker 2: hadn't for a while, and I wondered, oh my gosh,
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Speaker 2: I wonder if he's still in the car. And so
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Speaker 2: I get in the car and I'm just sitting in
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Speaker 2: my driveway and I pushed play. And the thing that
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Speaker 2: he says in on the CD. The first thing he
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Speaker 2: said was sometimes you need a shaman or what did
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Speaker 2: you say? Sometimes you need a need a medicine man
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Speaker 2: to show you the things that you cannot see. And
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Speaker 2: I was like, I've never heard him talk about medicine man,
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Speaker 2: a medicine man or a shawman. I've never heard talked
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Speaker 2: about like psychedelics. And to be fair, this isn't really
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Speaker 2: a psychedelic, it's ish a psychedelic. But again I got
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Speaker 2: on this, I felt like it was from the other side,
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Speaker 2: and I immediately just picked up my phone and called
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Speaker 2: the guy back and I said, never mind, I'm coming,
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Speaker 2: keep the dates. And then after that it was like
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Speaker 2: more things, just oh my god. I ended up writing
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Speaker 2: a book about it because it was so many synchronicities.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, please share with us that first experience with iboga.
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Speaker 1: What about it called to you? And what did you
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Speaker 1: find in the process?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, what called to me? You know? And and the
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Speaker 2: it's interesting choice of words because I didn't even know
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Speaker 2: that was a thing, to have something called to you,
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Speaker 2: but that's literally I felt almost chased down. Yeah, I
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Speaker 2: remember even the day that I did make the deposit,
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Speaker 2: there was there was about six or seven synchronicities that
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Speaker 2: just you know, once once you commit to doing it,
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Speaker 2: things already start changing. There's there's an intelligence and a
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Speaker 2: rapport that happens. There's a there's a relationship, which you know,
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Speaker 2: some people might think this sounds weird, And I didn't
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Speaker 2: even know it was a thing until it happened. And
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Speaker 2: then when I interviewed about eight hundred people for the book,
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Speaker 2: and I kept hearing that over and over. It's like
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Speaker 2: people were called or that people were chased down, or
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Speaker 2: they couldn't run away from it, or they would change
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Speaker 2: their mind and then it would come back up. And so, yeah,
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Speaker 2: that interesting that you that you said that. But what
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Speaker 2: called me is you know, in my situation, I was
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Speaker 2: dealing with grief and really bad depression. And again, I
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Speaker 2: think I'm a pretty tough person. I've went through a
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Speaker 2: lot of things, and for me, I I have just
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Speaker 2: been that person that just gets back up and tries
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Speaker 2: to keep going and I will deal with that later
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Speaker 2: kind of deal. And I don't know if it was
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Speaker 2: like the generation I grew up in or what where
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Speaker 2: it's like, don't cry, I'll give you something to cry about.
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Speaker 2: And you know, the oldest daughter there could There's so
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Speaker 2: many different things probably probably that created the person I am,
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Speaker 2: but it it did draw me, and and what happened,
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Speaker 2: and the results of what happened were pretty profound. It
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Speaker 2: was a very, very huge spiritual thing, not just the
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Speaker 2: physical and not just the mental, which all were one
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Speaker 2: hundred percent helpful, but the spiritual aspects of it. I mean,
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Speaker 2: I literally heard the voice of God who spoke to
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Speaker 2: me and had this whole life review, which apparently is
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Speaker 2: very common. But on a science level, what happens is
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Speaker 2: your recticular activating system is what is built in to
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Speaker 2: filter out like all time and all memories, and when
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Speaker 2: you do this medicine, it kicks that door down, and
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Speaker 2: so you have access to every memory that you've ever had,
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Speaker 2: all at once. And you could see it and you
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Speaker 2: can feel it, and it's like it's happening, and it's
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Speaker 2: pretty wild.
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Speaker 1: And how are these memories presented to you? And what
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Speaker 1: did you feel is as this was taking.
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Speaker 2: Place the way it was presented to me. And I'm
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Speaker 2: sure everybody's different, although I have heard some people in
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Speaker 2: the interviews who had similar situations. But I was like
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Speaker 2: in the center of this ball, and I could see
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Speaker 2: these moving like film like movies, all like thousands of them,
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Speaker 2: all around in the sphere. I was in the middle
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Speaker 2: of the sphere and they were all around me, and
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Speaker 2: at first I didn't even realize what it is. I
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Speaker 2: was like, what is that? And as soon as I
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Speaker 2: would focus on a moving movie, it would come up
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Speaker 2: close to me really big, like a big screen TV
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Speaker 2: at a movie theater, like on the front row, and
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Speaker 2: I would see it huge in front of me, and
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Speaker 2: then it would go back like and shrink and kind
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Speaker 2: of like make a wish sound and go like right
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Speaker 2: back into the to the sphere. And then I would
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Speaker 2: look at something else and then it would pop up
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Speaker 2: and then it would go back in the wall. And
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Speaker 2: it just kept doing that for hours and showing me
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Speaker 2: different things with how I grew up and you know,
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Speaker 2: my dad and my mom and my sibling and you
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22:13
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Speaker 2: them and how that looks and gave me a different
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Speaker 2: I don't know, there was this knowing or perspective shift
22:25
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22:32
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Speaker 1: exploring a factory reset for trauma, addiction, grief, neuroplasticity, and
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Speaker 1: the human experience through plant intelligence. Charnel please share with
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Speaker 1: and everything you have to share.
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Speaker 2: Yes, you can find me on most social medias as
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Speaker 2: doctor Searnell, D D R S H A R N
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Speaker 2: A E L like Israel. My website is Doctorscharnell dot com,
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Speaker 2: same spelling, and I'm on YouTube, you know, Instagram, Twitter,
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Speaker 2: I guess it's not Twitter anymore, but x I guess,
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Speaker 2: TikTok all the things and definitely Facebook, and yeah, thank
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Speaker 2: you so much. I hope to connect with you guys
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Speaker 2: wherever you are.
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Speaker 1: And you also have some events coming up, yes.
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Speaker 2: I do. We have a retreat coming up in August
23:36
Speaker 2: and Sedona with Laura Eisenhower and Lily Nova and it's
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Speaker 2: the second weekend of August. And then we also have
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Speaker 2: an awesome Destined retreat planned on the beach. We do
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Speaker 2: that yearly. We've been doing it for seventeen years and
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Speaker 2: so really excited. Laura is joining me, of course, and
23:54
Speaker 2: that is a women's retreat. The one in Sedona is
23:57
Speaker 2: open to everybody, but we do a a beautiful women's
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Speaker 2: retreat every year in Dustin, Florida. I would love to
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Speaker 1: Back on Destination Unlimited. My guest this week my spiritual sister,
24:49
Speaker 1: doctor Charnell Wilburton siahon her brand new book Grandfather I Boga,
24:54
Speaker 1: exploring a factory reset for trauma, addiction, grief, uroplasticity, and
25:01
Speaker 1: the human experience through plant intelligence. Chuaranel, you described the
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Speaker 1: experience as a factory reset. Please explain.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so, on a science level, what it does is
25:15
Speaker 2: really resets all your neurotransmitters. So if there's any kind
25:19
Speaker 2: of dopamine issue, serotonin, gabba, whatever. It just clears that.
25:25
Speaker 2: So it really helps people who have had any kind
25:29
Speaker 2: of addictions, whether it's real physical addictions with chemicals and
25:37
Speaker 2: like opiates. They found that this is how they actually
25:41
Speaker 2: found out that this works as a guy was doing
25:45
Speaker 2: heroin pretty regular and someone gave him this and he
25:50
Speaker 2: was just like sheeryot's trying new drug. And it wasn't
25:52
Speaker 2: until like a day or two after that he realized
25:56
Speaker 2: he had no withdrawals from being off and he had
25:58
Speaker 2: no want for being on any substances.
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Speaker 4: And so.
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Speaker 2: There's a lot of focus on it being used to
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Speaker 2: help with withdraws and people with addictions. But addictions aren't
26:13
Speaker 2: always pharmaceutical or street drugs. You know, you can have
26:17
Speaker 2: addictions to thought processes. You can have addictions to things
26:23
Speaker 2: and like porting or food or not eating you know,
26:28
Speaker 2: anarexia addiction, or gambling or sex addictions or there's so
26:33
Speaker 2: many different levels of what addiction can look like. So
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Speaker 2: it helps with all of that, helps with sleep, it
26:40
Speaker 2: helps with really perspective, and it helps put people on
26:47
Speaker 2: like a spiritual awakening really and so when I say
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Speaker 2: factory reset, I felt like I got a do over
26:56
Speaker 2: of kinds, you know. But yeah, and then I'll add
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Speaker 2: this to it has a very very long opening or
27:05
Speaker 2: a window for neuroplasticity, apparently the highest they found so
27:10
Speaker 2: far in any plant where like if you do something
27:14
Speaker 2: like ayahuasca or ketamine or psilocybin, it might be an
27:20
Speaker 2: hour window or two hours window or maybe six hours
27:24
Speaker 2: window of neuroplasticity. If someone does a flood dose with iboga,
27:30
Speaker 2: you can have ninety to one hundred and twenty days
27:34
Speaker 2: of neuroplasticity. And so I tell people when you are
27:38
Speaker 2: doing this, if you're doing this, whether it's micro dosing
27:41
Speaker 2: or a flood dose, you have to actually really be
27:44
Speaker 2: conscious of what you're doing to avoid maladaptive neuroplasticity because
27:50
Speaker 2: you could hardwire the wrong things by accident. So that's
27:55
Speaker 2: the one thing is like you really have to be
27:57
Speaker 2: careful with that factory you reset of what are you resetting,
28:01
Speaker 2: like what are you going back to or what you
28:03
Speaker 2: or what are you starting over with, you know, and
28:05
Speaker 2: being really conscious and intentional on what you're choosing for
28:11
Speaker 2: that next reset, that next do over.
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Speaker 1: You describe a change that you saw in your eyes
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Speaker 1: from this experience. What changed?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I went in on Monday, and it wasn't until
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Speaker 2: Thursday morning that I got my phone and was like,
28:31
Speaker 2: actually gonna try to text or call anyone. And I
28:37
Speaker 2: picked up my phone too, just because Wednesday night I
28:40
Speaker 2: woke up in a panic, going like, oh, I forgot
28:42
Speaker 2: I got to pay this bill, it's do tomorrow, got
28:45
Speaker 2: to do that three D stuff, right, And so when
28:47
Speaker 2: I woke up, I grabbed my phone and none of
28:51
Speaker 2: my apps were working. I had to reset every picture
28:57
Speaker 2: with every app. And I thought it was just like
28:59
Speaker 2: maybe a phone update or something that I missed, you know,
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Speaker 2: when I was out for the three days. But when
29:05
Speaker 2: I mentioned it to my facilitator, he started laughing and
29:09
Speaker 2: he said, yeah, that's a very common side effect is
29:12
Speaker 2: people say that a lot. They have to reset their
29:15
Speaker 2: phone because the phone doesn't even recognize And I don't
29:19
Speaker 2: know if it's the eyes or the face or just
29:22
Speaker 2: who knows. But I've studied aidology when I went to
29:26
Speaker 2: school in holographic aerology as well, and the year I
29:32
Speaker 2: will change with consciousness, with big changes, and it could
29:37
Speaker 2: even change in color and inform, and so I wish
29:43
Speaker 2: I had taken pictures before and after, but I just
29:45
Speaker 2: didn't even think about it, you know. And it's again
29:49
Speaker 2: with interviewing the eight hundred people, that seemed to be
29:52
Speaker 2: a theme as a lot of people had said, well,
29:54
Speaker 2: I couldn't get on my phone, and not just couldn't
29:56
Speaker 2: get on my phone to open apps, but a lot
29:58
Speaker 2: of people will say, I don't really want to be
30:01
Speaker 2: on my phone. You're not wanting to scroll or be
30:05
Speaker 2: in the know of everything that's going on around the
30:07
Speaker 2: world with the news, or would just you know, random
30:11
Speaker 2: random scrolling.
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Speaker 1: Either you want to share a different experience.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, a real one, a real people, you know, in person,
30:20
Speaker 2: eye contact, face to face nature, you know, not just people,
30:26
Speaker 2: but nature seems to be a big pull too, which
30:31
Speaker 2: and everything looks different too with you know, going back
30:33
Speaker 2: to the eyes, it scientifically can change your eyesight. And
30:40
Speaker 2: I've heard a lot of people, I mean, one lady
30:42
Speaker 2: had an eye disease that was completely healed after her flood,
30:46
Speaker 2: and a flood dose is is the mac dose of
30:49
Speaker 2: the big dose. But I had two people just two
30:53
Speaker 2: weeks ago who told me they realized they're not wearing
30:55
Speaker 2: glasses anymore. For me, that hasn't happened yet. Well, I
30:59
Speaker 2: did go down a little bit I went. I went
31:01
Speaker 2: down like a point or a point twenty five in
31:03
Speaker 2: my glasses. But colors look different, and there's a lot
31:09
Speaker 2: of data that's out well not a lot, but there's
31:11
Speaker 2: data out there that says something about what the serotonin
31:15
Speaker 2: changes and the reset that sometimes people see colors more
31:19
Speaker 2: vibrant and not on a psychedelic thing where where you're tripping,
31:23
Speaker 2: not like that, but just everything looks more colorful and
31:27
Speaker 2: more crisper, more clean. Uh. And I get that a lot,
31:33
Speaker 2: it seems. The thing that people say when I interviewed
31:36
Speaker 2: them is green looks so green all of a sudden,
31:39
Speaker 2: green looks more green, and blues look more blue.
31:43
Speaker 1: In addition to your eyes, how do you see yourself
31:46
Speaker 1: differently after this experience?
31:50
Speaker 2: Yeah? For me, when I was in the ball, the
31:56
Speaker 2: first thing that I screamed out with every cell in
32:02
Speaker 2: my body was please just show me love. I have
32:05
Speaker 2: to know love and Victor. I actually thought that I
32:09
Speaker 2: screamed it in real life, Like I asked the facilitator,
32:12
Speaker 2: I was embarrassed. I was just like, I'm so sorry
32:14
Speaker 2: I screamed, and he was like, what are you talking about?
32:18
Speaker 2: So no one heard me, but to me it was
32:21
Speaker 2: the loudest scream I have ever screamed. Whoever I was
32:25
Speaker 2: talking to, I don't know the ball with whoever's in
32:29
Speaker 2: the ball. And that's what happened, is the movies started
32:34
Speaker 2: showing and popping through, showing me love and showing me
32:40
Speaker 2: how I was cared for over and over, and you
32:44
Speaker 2: know how my dad taught me to walk and pushed
32:47
Speaker 2: me in a swing and taught me how to ride
32:49
Speaker 2: a bike, and my mom, you know, reading a book
32:53
Speaker 2: to me in bed, and you know, them loving to
32:56
Speaker 2: each other as well, them dancing in the kitchen, Me
33:00
Speaker 2: sitting in the back seat in my car while they
33:02
Speaker 2: were in the front seat holding hands. And yeah, it
33:06
Speaker 2: was pretty profound seeing love including my husband in high school.
33:12
Speaker 2: Like we were at a Sadie Hawkins dance and he
33:14
Speaker 2: was dancing with me to this Sadie Hawkins dance song.
33:18
Speaker 2: It was Phil Collins. You know, take a look at
33:21
Speaker 2: me now, and just the way he was looking at me,
33:23
Speaker 2: And it was crazy to watch yourself. It was definitely
33:28
Speaker 2: crazy to see these things that I'm sure I know
33:34
Speaker 2: happened there. And when you're doing this, it's not like
33:40
Speaker 2: you're seeing something that hasn't happened. Yet they're all actual memories.
33:44
Speaker 3: I have no.
33:45
Speaker 2: Recollection of them until I saw them and I was like, oh,
33:48
Speaker 2: that happened. And then I saw me with my kids,
33:54
Speaker 2: and that was different too, because I had been in
34:00
Speaker 2: a spot where I was really down on myself as
34:03
Speaker 2: a mom and I think moms do that, you know,
34:05
Speaker 2: where I was just like I just must suck and
34:07
Speaker 2: they think I suck. So therefore I had taken that
34:10
Speaker 2: on and believe like I'm a terrible mom and I
34:13
Speaker 2: sucked and you know whatever. And I was watching myself
34:17
Speaker 2: love these kids and I realized like, you know, no,
34:21
Speaker 2: I loved them and I still love them and I
34:25
Speaker 2: did good. And so for me, it was just this
34:32
Speaker 2: awareness that to not be as hard on myself as
34:37
Speaker 2: I had been, and to also be more forgiving to
34:41
Speaker 2: other people and have grace, to let people have their
34:47
Speaker 2: lives and do whatever they need to do in their
34:49
Speaker 2: journey and not be not take it personal, and not
34:55
Speaker 2: have all these like expectations for outcomes to be a
34:59
Speaker 2: certain way where it's just like it just gave me
35:02
Speaker 2: so much freedom to be, just to be and to
35:07
Speaker 2: know that God has all of this, and he gave
35:11
Speaker 2: some very specific instructions towards the end that still just
35:16
Speaker 2: buzzed through myselves that were pretty powerful. So yeah, that's
35:22
Speaker 2: the perspective. Is just like loving more, having more joy,
35:28
Speaker 2: and being okay in my skin with things, you know,
35:32
Speaker 2: not wanting to escape anymore, not wanting to you know,
35:35
Speaker 2: end it, and not wanting to escape by drinking or
35:38
Speaker 2: doing any other thing to kind of not have to
35:41
Speaker 2: feel it or deal with anything, and just being more
35:44
Speaker 2: forgiving for myself, for others and loving myself absolutely.
35:50
Speaker 1: Now with all of these wonderful experiences, you say that
35:54
Speaker 1: you still have doubts about sharing your experience with iboga.
35:58
Speaker 1: What were those doubts and how did you transcend them?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wasn't going to tell anybody again. Whatever I
36:07
Speaker 2: made up was that this well number one, I didn't
36:13
Speaker 2: want to let anyone down, So I didn't want to
36:16
Speaker 2: tell anybody how bad it was. My whole mission is
36:20
Speaker 2: to help people have high vibe, happy, miraculous lives, So
36:26
Speaker 2: to be in public sharing how bad things are isn't
36:33
Speaker 2: a good look. You know, maybe it's real, but I
36:36
Speaker 2: didn't want to be a debbie downer to anybody, and
36:38
Speaker 2: I didn't want to you know, disappoint anyone that things
36:44
Speaker 2: aren't always good, you know, and whether that's made up
36:48
Speaker 2: pressure on myself or what, I don't know. But so
36:52
Speaker 2: I didn't want to tell anyone how bad it was.
36:54
Speaker 2: I didn't want to tell anyone that I was going
36:57
Speaker 2: because of my ministry background. I mean, I already got
37:00
Speaker 2: a lot of crap when I stepped into the naturopathic
37:04
Speaker 2: realm of some people in ministry who were just not
37:06
Speaker 2: understanding what I was doing. I mean they were literally
37:09
Speaker 2: calling me worried and being like, oh, she's a witch
37:12
Speaker 2: and you know she left the ministry and that kind
37:16
Speaker 2: of idea, which again I saw that too of just
37:22
Speaker 2: being like, well, that's where they are. They're in fear,
37:24
Speaker 2: and I have a lot more understanding about that. But
37:29
Speaker 2: when I when I went through it, you know, I
37:36
Speaker 2: wasn't going to publicize it. I didn't tell anyone that
37:38
Speaker 2: I went and except for like two people, my husband
37:41
Speaker 2: and my mom. And when I got finished with my session,
37:47
Speaker 2: my treatment, I had my very first meal. I went
37:51
Speaker 2: and got Chinese food and I was literally just sitting
37:53
Speaker 2: there processing everything, and I thought to myself, am I
37:56
Speaker 2: going to tell anybody that I did this? And I
37:59
Speaker 2: opened up my fortune cookie smultaneously, and it said, do
38:04
Speaker 2: not be afraid to share your experience with the world.
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Speaker 1: The best fortune cookie of all time, right absolutely.
38:17
Speaker 2: So yeah, I was like, Okay, well, I guess I'm
38:19
Speaker 2: going to share this with a couple of people, maybe
38:23
Speaker 2: the world. I did not know I was going to
38:26
Speaker 2: write a book, but I had written down all the
38:29
Speaker 2: synchronicities that happened going to this event. And the only
38:36
Speaker 2: reason why I wrote down everything is because I was
38:39
Speaker 2: still trying to talk myself out of going, not only
38:43
Speaker 2: because I was scared, but also because again it just
38:46
Speaker 2: seemed outside of my brand or box that I'd made up.
38:50
Speaker 2: And so I would start recording and I had a
38:54
Speaker 2: list of like things that happened just for me to
38:57
Speaker 2: show proof that I wasn't crazy, like for me to
39:01
Speaker 2: be like, have something to look at and go, this
39:03
Speaker 2: is why you're doing it, right, like number one, this
39:06
Speaker 2: summer to this and uh so I already had the
39:09
Speaker 2: build of where you know, before I went, And then
39:13
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, I had written down some things
39:16
Speaker 2: that were results of going, and it was so many things.
39:21
Speaker 2: Again I was just like, Okay, this happened. Now this
39:24
Speaker 2: has happened now this has happened, and so the only
39:27
Speaker 2: thing that was missing was what happened, like the actual ceremony.
39:32
Speaker 2: So I told myself, you know, I'm just gonna go
39:35
Speaker 2: write just down and I actually started microdocing, and on
39:39
Speaker 2: the third day, I not only wrote this book and
39:44
Speaker 2: it was at the time two hundred and twenty two pages.
39:46
Speaker 2: I added another hundred and something after, But I wrote
39:49
Speaker 2: two books in three days.
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Speaker 1: Wonderful, wonderful. One of the delightful stories you share in
39:57
Speaker 1: the book is about beaming to someone who needs it
40:02
Speaker 1: at a great distance. How may all of us learn
40:05
Speaker 1: to beam love?
40:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it was a little It was quite an exercise.
40:13
Speaker 2: I was sitting on the balcony and I could see
40:16
Speaker 2: this guy in a distance walking on the beach. I
40:19
Speaker 2: just got home, and well I wasn't home home, but
40:22
Speaker 2: I was home, meaning there a place that we have
40:26
Speaker 2: in Florida to integrate a bit and just to kind
40:30
Speaker 2: of like process before I went back to home. Home,
40:33
Speaker 2: and I saw this guy and you could tell he
40:36
Speaker 2: was down. I could just see it in his shoulders
40:40
Speaker 2: and his head and just the way he was walking
40:43
Speaker 2: like the guy was down, and I knew it. It was
40:46
Speaker 2: like in my heart, I'm like, however, many feet or
40:51
Speaker 2: blocks away, but I could see him from a distance,
40:53
Speaker 2: and I immediately just sort of praying and sending love
40:57
Speaker 2: to the guy. Literally seconds after I did that, he
41:03
Speaker 2: stopped in his tracks. He looked up and around like
41:09
Speaker 2: he heard something or felt something, and he looked out
41:12
Speaker 2: of the ocean, and then he turned around and he
41:14
Speaker 2: looked straight at me on the balcony so far away,
41:18
Speaker 2: and he just stared at me for a minute. And
41:21
Speaker 2: then I don't know if he saw me or not.
41:24
Speaker 2: I don't know if there were a million people on
41:26
Speaker 2: all of their balconies, but I swear he was looking
41:28
Speaker 2: at me. And I was just like, good, he got it.
41:31
Speaker 2: And then he took off his hat and he kind
41:36
Speaker 2: of looked up, and then he just kept walking and
41:40
Speaker 2: he had like almost like a I don't know, skipping
41:43
Speaker 2: his step. He seemed happy. I was like, wow, you know.
41:48
Speaker 2: And there's so much power in the quantum field and
41:51
Speaker 2: what we can send out when we are aware of it,
41:54
Speaker 2: and when we are on purpose with the love that
41:58
Speaker 2: we carry, and it starts with loving ourselves. When we
42:01
Speaker 2: love ourselves, that overflow can affect other people's field and
42:07
Speaker 2: it's tangible and it's apparently directional.
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Speaker 1: and the human experience through plant intelligence. Charanel, was your
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Speaker 1: experience and initiation in the ancient sense.
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Speaker 2: Wow, that's such a way. That's a great way to
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Speaker 2: explain it. Yes, I believe. I one hundred percent believe
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Speaker 2: that because I feel like it has brought me to
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Speaker 2: a whole different arena of not just my purpose, but
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Speaker 2: my mission here. You know, it's I've always thought my
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Speaker 2: mission was love and truth, and I feel like it's
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Speaker 2: just expanded that even deeper and wider.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, what is the intelligence found in the roots of
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Speaker 1: plants like Ibogah?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good question, and I don't know how
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Speaker 2: it is, but it's alive. You know, if you've read
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Speaker 2: my book The Science of Miracles, well and you have,
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Speaker 2: but for those listening, I do talk about plant intelligence
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Speaker 2: a bit because you know, even the FBI has jumped
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Speaker 2: in there on some of these studies in the CIA,
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Speaker 2: because Clive Baxter invented or did He didn't invent, but
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Speaker 2: he did a lot of work with the light detector
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Speaker 2: and he started putting plants on light detectors to see
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Speaker 2: how they would respond to things. And he got to
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Speaker 2: a point where he would have a bunch of plants
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Speaker 2: on hooked up and he would be forty miles away
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Speaker 2: and he would be in his car driving and he
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Speaker 2: would just tell them, from forty miles away to the plants,
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Speaker 2: you know, hey, I'm coming home. I'll be there in
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Speaker 2: a minute. He would look at his watch and he
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Speaker 2: would get there, and they responded. At that moment, they
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Speaker 2: knew they were happy that he was coming home. And
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Speaker 2: then different things too, where they took plants out of
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Speaker 2: like crime scenes and instead of having like the lineup
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Speaker 2: of the murderers or whatever, they would have plants identify
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Speaker 2: who the murder was. So they're they're very alive, and
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Speaker 2: they they're watching, they're recording, they're they're giving not just
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Speaker 2: you know, support on a frequency level, but there's there's
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Speaker 2: different I have a different kind of probe that I
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Speaker 2: can actually put in a plant like pot it and
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Speaker 2: you can hear their sound. They all have a sound
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Speaker 2: that our ears don't hear. But I wonder if dogs
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Speaker 2: hear it, or cats hear it, or you know some
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Speaker 2: of the other animals that have different you know, ear
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Speaker 2: sockets that can hear things on different frequencies. But they
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Speaker 2: make beautiful music, and they're they're giving us messages and
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Speaker 2: they have a whole network of communication, and so you know,
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Speaker 2: the whole tree hugging and all of that is really
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Speaker 2: real and even you know, going back to Scripture Revelations
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Speaker 2: two twenty two says that the trees, the leaves of
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Speaker 2: the trees are for the healing of the nations. And
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Speaker 2: that word healing. There's so many different words for healing,
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Speaker 2: but that one is they're a prayo and they're a
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Speaker 2: playo means therapy over time. So that's where we get therapy,
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Speaker 2: whether it's counseling or you know, pt kind of therapy.
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Speaker 2: It means maybe not the instant and miraculous healing. That
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Speaker 2: is sometimes in the Bible a couple of times it
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Speaker 2: is instant healing. Even with Jesus, he had a couple
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Speaker 2: that were not instant healing. They were they're playo. And
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Speaker 2: so that's kind of interesting that sometimes over time things help,
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Speaker 2: you know, help us. And it says the leaves of
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Speaker 2: the trees are for the therapy over time of the nations.
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Speaker 2: To me, that means go out and be in nature
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Speaker 2: because there be and it may not be instant, but
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Speaker 2: sometimes it is right. I mean, you've experienced.
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Speaker 1: That absolutely absolutely. How do the local communities in Africa
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Speaker 1: use iboga?
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Speaker 2: They actually do it from birth on because the moms,
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Speaker 2: the dads, they sprinkle it on their food. They're eating
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Speaker 2: it by the spoonfuls pretty regular. Even pregnant moms will
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Speaker 2: be nursing and be eating it. They have what they
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Speaker 2: call iboga babies. But at twelve years old they have
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Speaker 2: their initiation. It's their right to adulthood. Is at twelve
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Speaker 2: they'll do the big ceremony and oh my gosh, you
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Speaker 2: can just imagine what that type of community can be
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Speaker 2: if they've all participated in this, you know on some level,
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Speaker 2: you know, just the level of consciousness that they walk
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Speaker 2: in and it's it's pretty profound. I'm sure I've never
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Speaker 2: been to meet the weedy. Actually have a friend who
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Speaker 2: had invited me. Two friends that invited me, and one
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Speaker 2: lives there permanently and has asked several times come over,
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Speaker 2: and the other one actually went. She's there as we
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Speaker 2: speak right now, and she's sending me play by play
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Speaker 2: like all the stuff of just what she's experiencing over there,
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Speaker 2: and she's like, you're coming next time, You're coming next time.
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Speaker 2: Just is Yeah, the people are amazing.
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Speaker 1: Over there, wonderful. Now, the chemical name for iboga is
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Speaker 1: actually eyebo gain. What have studies shown about eyebe gain
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Speaker 1: and neurodegenerative diseases.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, i Beigain is one of the alkaloids in eyebot
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Speaker 2: and what they do is they extract it from the
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Speaker 2: iboga root and the root bark and that's how they
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Speaker 2: and then they synthesize it to create a powder that
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Speaker 2: they use, and it's that one that alkaloid specifically helps
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Speaker 2: a lot with addictions. And so a lot of the
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Speaker 2: marketing and a lot of what's out there has a
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Speaker 2: big focus on ibigain, not only because it's pharmaceutical and
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Speaker 2: you know what that means, but because it does have
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Speaker 2: good results with helping people get off what they need to.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, the iboga itself has up to forty alkaloids
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Speaker 2: that it's found, including ibagain, so you get the whole
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Speaker 2: thing with iboga, and the other alkaloids involved do a
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Speaker 2: lot of other things. They're anti viral, antibacterial, anti fungal,
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Speaker 2: anti parasitic, you know, antihistamine, anti pain. So you know, again,
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Speaker 2: there's a lot of folks on I begain for for
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Speaker 2: all of these wonderful things. But the iboga for me,
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Speaker 2: in the natural setting, without the pharmaceutical, without the synthesize,
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Speaker 2: you know, work that goes into it, and without the
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Speaker 2: extract piece. I just prefer the natural thing. As a naturopath,
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Speaker 2: I prefer that with the synergy of the whole team
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Speaker 2: instead of just the catcher of a baseball team. It's like,
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Speaker 2: why not why not have a whole team working for
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Speaker 2: you instead of just you know, the guy catching the ball.
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Speaker 1: But science is looking into neuro degenerative diseases like Parkinson's
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Speaker 1: and Alzheimer's.
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Speaker 2: Right absolutely, And sorry to skirt that I wasn't trying
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Speaker 2: on purpose. I just got excited. But yeah, Iboga does
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Speaker 2: that too, you know, Iboga or I've interviewed people and
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Speaker 2: I'm actually working with some people with Parkinson's MS. Three
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Speaker 2: people that I interviewed with the book were MIC doing
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Speaker 2: and they were out of wheelchairs in three weeks with Parkinson's,
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Speaker 2: no more tremors. The gate was better. You know, that's
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Speaker 2: something that people have to stay on for a while
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Speaker 2: and or maybe permanently. I did interview a lady and
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Speaker 2: talk to her very often with MS, and her whole
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Speaker 2: miline sheath was healed completely and she they can no
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Speaker 2: longer find any choice of MS in her body, which
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Speaker 2: is amazing. It's great for autoimmune, for chronic fatigue, fibro pain,
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Speaker 2: people who want to get off opiates and they don't
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Speaker 2: have any other alternative. This can help with inflammation and
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Speaker 2: lime disease and eve seen bar and yeah, dementia, Alzheimer's.
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Speaker 2: There's there's so many things that people aren't talking about
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Speaker 2: that this can work with and help besides the depression
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Speaker 2: and opiates and getting people off addictions. The governor of Texas,
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Speaker 2: the former governor of Texas, actually did a couple sessions
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Speaker 2: and they did a brain scan of him before and
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Speaker 2: then after, and he was showing signs of some mental
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Speaker 2: I guess atrophy and some memory stuff. And when they
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Speaker 2: did the last scan ninety days later, he's the neuroscientist said,
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Speaker 2: I don't know what you did, but your brain looks
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Speaker 2: like a forty year old. He's seventy. Wow, And he said,
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Speaker 2: any signs of attrophy are completely gone, Like your brain
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Speaker 2: looks amazing. There's I don't see anything wrong. And so
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Speaker 2: they're doing that in Stanford too. They did a test
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Speaker 2: of thirty different vets who had TBI completely healed.
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Speaker 1: Wonderful, wonderful, My guest, my virtual sister, doctor Charnell Wolverton
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Speaker 1: Siehan her brand new book Grandfather I Boga exploring a
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Speaker 1: factory reset for trauma, addiction, grief, neuroplasticity, and the human
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Speaker 1: experience through plant intelligence. Charnelle, please share with our listeners
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Speaker 1: one more time where they can get all of your
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Speaker 1: books and find out more about you and your wonderful work.
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Speaker 2: Yes, be happy to connect with you guys. I am
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Speaker 2: at doctor Scharnell dot com. I'm on Facebook. I do
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Speaker 2: have a IBOGA I begained Facebook group if you want
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Speaker 2: to find me there. I have been recently working with
55:36
Speaker 2: people who are looking for a place to go and
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Speaker 2: doing twenty minute consultations or discovery calls to see if
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Speaker 2: people are a good candidate to even do this, so
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Speaker 2: you know, you guys can reach out. I still do biofeedback.
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Speaker 2: I have my books. You guys can grab the book
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Speaker 2: at doctor Charnell dot com to learn more about it.
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Speaker 2: And thank you again, Victor for being you and all
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Speaker 2: your service to the world. And I just appreciate you
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Speaker 2: so much.
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Speaker 1: And as do I my spiritual sister Charnell. Thank you
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Speaker 1: so much for joining us and sharing your wisdom and experience.
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Speaker 2: Yes, thank you, thank you, thank you.
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Speaker 1: And thank you for joining us on Destination Unlimited. I'm
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Speaker 1: Victor the Voice Furman. Have a wonderful week.