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"The Heart of the Lionheart" with UFC's Anthony "Lionheart" Smith · Caught on the Mike...

• 0:58
  SPEAKER_01: Joining me on the podcast today is Anthony Lionheart Smith.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_01: And if you don't already know why he's one of my favorites, in 35 minutes, you will.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_01: Ladies and gentlemen, this is Caught on the Mike.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_01: All right, ladies and gentlemen, today I am very happy to say I have one of my favorite fighters as a guest on Caught on the Mike today, Anthony Lionhart Smith.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_01: How the heck are you, man?
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_00: I'm good.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_00: I just uh I'm warmed up for you.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_00: I just got off, uh got done doing my radio show live on Sirius XM.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_00: So we're rolling right into this.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_01: The voice is okay.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_01: You're like you're you're yeah, I'm ready.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_00: I'm ready.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_00: I had uh I had Rashad Evans on.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so me and Rashad got to chop it up for a while.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_00: Me and him are good friends.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_00: So uh yeah, it was fun.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_00: It's fun to end the show on that and roll right with you.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, thanks, man.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_01: Well, again, I appreciate you doing this.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_01: It means the world to me.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_01: And I that is not just me saying that.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_01: You really are one of my favorite fighters.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_01: You represent our state so well, and we're gonna get into that uh throughout the conversation today.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I appreciate that, man.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_00: I really do.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's uh it means a lot more to me when there's people that are here in Nebraska that that appreciate the journey and and you know the body work that I've that I put in over the last 14 years.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_00: So I appreciate that.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_01: Awesome, awesome.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_01: So without further ado, tell our listeners a little bit about Anthony Smith, the man.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_00: The man, I'm uh I'm a husband, um, a father of three daughters.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_00: Uh grew up in uh Nebraska City most of my life.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um, was born in Texas, lived in Colorado Springs for a little bit, and then uh moved to Nebraska City.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_00: You know, did the the small town, you know, regular stuff, you know, getting in trouble, partying too hard.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I was a football player, uh, played defensive end.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_00: Uh wasn't too much of an offensive guy.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_00: I uh I can't catch.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_00: And uh I just like to hit shit, obviously.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_00: So uh yeah, I I you know I had a lot of fun playing football.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_00: I wrestled, um, ended up dropping out of high school, um, just having a whole bunch of personal problems back then.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_00: Uh got my GD, got in a bunch of trouble, and you know, and started fighting right when I dropped out of high school.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_00: And that's all I've really done since I was 17.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_00: I'm 32 now.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, it's been a lot of ups, a lot of downs.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, but now in my in my older age, uh I enjoy, you know, just just regular stuff.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_00: I hang out with the neighbors.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_00: I like to sit around, sit around the fire pit in the driveway.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, my my oldest plays volleyball.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_00: My middle is kind of figuring out what she likes, but she plays volleyball too.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_00: She's six.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um, the baby's three.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_00: We're trying to figure out how to keep her in her own bed.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_00: That's the biggest struggle I have in my life right now.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_01: Awesome.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_01: So I was gonna ask you that.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_01: How did your uh journey to become a fighter begin?
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_00: Man, you know, I kind of fell into it.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_00: It was it, I had no ambition to be a professional fighter or or punch people in the face for money.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_00: That that was never my plan.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_00: I uh I seen an amateur fight night flyer in a subway and thought, I don't know, that might be cool.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I just go check it out.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_00: I lied about my birthday on the on the form I had to fill out.
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  SPEAKER_00: I just made it a year, uh, a year earlier than it actually was, uh, which would have made me almost 19 on the form, but I was actually almost 18.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I just fought, you know, back then it was kind of the wild, wild west.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh the sport wasn't sanctioned here in Nebraska yet.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um there was very few rules.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and and people just fought.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_00: You didn't know who you were fighting, you showed up, you signed up, they matched you up as close as they could, uh, as far as weight and experience go.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, that was what we did.
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  SPEAKER_00: We just fought and it was a blast.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, I just liked it.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't, I didn't at that time I didn't even know that you could make a living doing that stuff.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I had seen the UFC a little bit on like BHSs that I convinced my grandpa to rent me when I was a kid, but uh I I just I didn't even know that was a thing, so I just liked doing it and I didn't have a whole lot going for me at the time.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_00: I I didn't have a lot of ambitions or or goals or things that I was focused on, and I that just kind of caught me and then I just you know fast forward here we are still doing the same shit.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_01: So throughout that journey, though, you you managed to become a black belt Brazilian jujitsu, correct?
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_00: I did.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I got my black belt, man, almost two years ago.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, almost two years ago, and that's yeah, I've been with the same jujitsu coach uh for most of my career.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I've been fighting 14 years, been with him 12.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_01: Oh wow.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, he's one of my closest friends, he's my mentor, his father figure.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_00: He's you know, he's he's my favorite dude, old Scott Morton.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_00: Uh but yeah, when I started training with him, uh he was a purple belt.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_00: He didn't even have his black belt yet.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um he's just uh he's a monster, but one of the nicest guys in the world.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_00: Uh kind of a cool story.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_00: The night I fought my pro debut was the night he fought his last uh his last fight.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like his career ended and you know mine started.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_01: It was it was a literal changing of the guard, if you will.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, passing of the torch.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's awesome.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's cool.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_01: So you've got you got 50 fights under your belt, and you're only 32 years old.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_01: I know you tried.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_00: I actually got 74.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_00: Oh shit.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_00: I had 20, I had I had 24 amateur fights that no one talks about, but yeah, I have 50, I have 50 professional fights.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um but I fought 24 times as an amateur, dude.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_01: And you were talking like five minutes ago, like you're some old man, you're 32.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_01: You still have a lot of road in front of you, brother.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I'm I'm young in life, but I'm old in the game.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, what do you wish you knew about this sport that you know now when you were starting out?
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_00: That's a good question.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think I've ever been asked that before.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I wish I like I wish I knew how dirty the game can get.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um I wish I knew that I wasn't as cool as I thought I was.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I think that that's that kind of bit me in the ass.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you you win a couple fights and you get a couple big checks, and you know, it's it's the Conor McGregor effect, you know, you go from being broke with no money to uh seemingly to you having all the money in the world,$50,000 to me was a it might as well have been 10 million because that that's what it felt like.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um and and you know, you lose track of your you lose track of yourself a little bit if you if you allow it to.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um so I I wish I I wish I knew those things then.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_00: Uh but to be honest with you, had you told me that, I probably wouldn't have listened anyways.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't oddly, I don't think that just applies to the industry that you're in.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I was in music for you know 15, 20 years, and it's the same thing.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you can you could basically become overridden by your own ego very early in your career before you've even gone to dinner yet.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but I mean it's it's your work ethic that keeps you alive, right?
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_00: 100%.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_00: And if it wasn't for my work ethic, and you know, I never I never I never lost track of like the main goal.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_00: I I never got into this to make money.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_00: Uh obviously I didn't even know you could make money when I started.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I I didn't get into this to be cool or or famous or or a public figure or or commentate fights on ESPN, or I never that was never the goal.
• 8:21
  unknown: Right.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_00: Once I started, I really liked it.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_00: I wanted to be really good.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_00: And and then from there, you know, I learned that you could be a world champion and then the whole world would recognize you as the best.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_00: Like even if it's for that day, like you could fight the next day and lose it, or three months later and lose it.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_00: But like that day until your next fight, you're the best in the world, and there's there's something addicting about chasing that dream.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so fortunately for me, you you kind of get a little sidetracked a little bit, or you you make some mistakes, or you lose track, or or whatever, you get kind of wrapped up in your own ego.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_00: As long as that main goal is still a genuine one, you know, if the goal is to make money and then you make money and act like an idiot, you're kind of you're kind of screwed.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_00: But if your goal is to be the champion of the world, and then along the way you make a little money and you do some stupid shit, you can always revert back to that main goal of being a world champion.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_00: And that's what I did.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_00: I just backed, I just had to take a step backwards and go back and like figure out, you know, I had the I have this friend Shay that lives in LA, and Shay always says this to me, you got to keep the main thing the main thing.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_00: And I didn't know what that meant when he used to say it to me before.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_00: And then, you know, I fought John Jones, and then you know, obviously years before that I made a bunch of mistakes and you know, it's ups and downs, and you know, it's peaks and valleys.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_00: So once I started figuring out, like, oh, okay, I get what he's saying.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like, if you like fighting is the main thing.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_00: If you lose track of fighting, then it's not the main thing anymore, and then you're focused on all these other stupid places, and that even going into the Glover fight and then the wreckage fight when I lost those two back to back, the main thing wasn't the main thing.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_00: Like fighting wasn't the main thing.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_00: I was fighting, but I was also an ESP and analyst, and I was also you know, had the guy with the radio show, and I was also traveling to do all these appearances, and then I was, you know, like I was all over the place, and I just lost track of that main thing.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_00: And in every single time in my career, once I've lost track of that main thing, it's never good, it never goes well, and then I just gotta pull myself back to center.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_01: You know, being that you're a father, you know, obviously your kids and your family are gonna keep you grounded, but who are some of the other external influences that kind of influenced your decision making and that mindset along the way?
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_00: Well, Scott, you know, Scott for sure, uh my jujitsu coach, it's he's always the he's always the the real even killed one.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_00: It's he's never too up, he's never too down.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_00: It's you know, when I'm when things are going bad, I'm um, it's not as bad as I feel like it is.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_00: When it's really, really good, it's like, all right, kid, you gotta remember we could be bad.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_00: Like it could be really bad.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_00: So he's he always he always is the one that keeps me centered.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um, my wife, obviously.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_00: When when her and I got together, and I would say at this point, she's the main one.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_00: You know, she doesn't give a shit how cool I am.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_00: She doesn't care at all.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_00: Uh she gives a shit if the dishes are done, if I'm picking up after myself, you know, like I'm not cool to her.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_00: And and I think that that's I don't necessarily know if in a in in sports and and professional athletes, especially ones at a high level, if that's necessarily the case with the people that are closest to them.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, when she met me, I was a broke, homeless nobody with a c without a car, you know, like and she loved me then.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_00: So it doesn't matter how much money I make, titles, shows, TV, sponsorships, nice suits, she doesn't care.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's about the main thing, and that's you know, that's just who I am as a person.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_00: And so I would probably say her for sure.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_01: If you're married to somebody whose uh love language is acts of service, they'll keep you grounded pretty quick.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_00: For sure.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_01: I I got one of those too.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_01: So what is uh historically been the primary difference between you and some of your competitors?
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I think you know, I just think I want it more, and I and I know that's kind of a cookie-cutter easy answer, but I think that all the uh like I've said a bunch of times, I I have failed my way to success.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_00: So I've you know, I'm I'm ranked in the top five.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_00: I might be the only guy in the top five across all weight classes in the entire UFC that has over 10 losses.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_00: I'm probably the only guy.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_00: So when I say I failed my way to the top, it's because I've done it the wrong way a bunch of times.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_00: I made a bunch of mistakes, but I've never felt like I was beaten by a better person.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_00: It was it was my own personal mistakes.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_00: It was, you know, I just didn't quite put it together at the right time.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_00: You know, and then in the last 20 fights, I think I'm like shit, 16 to 4, something like that, you know.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_00: So it's it's not like I'm you know, I it that was early on, a lot of them, but I think that like my own personal experiences growing up and the struggles I had and and the terrible places, you know, and we can get super deep, but problems with my dad and and all the things that go along with that, and just all the terrible things that have happened to me as I was coming up.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_00: I think that that stuff kind of like David Goggins talks about callus in your mind.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, and then you get to these terrible places in a fight, and and I and I always tell my opponents, especially the ones that talk trash, like you could put yourself in the worst possible place in a fight, and it doesn't hold a candle to the things that I've already lived through from the time I was a kid.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_00: So like fighting isn't a negative thing to me, like those deep, dark, you know, the the you know, taking people to deep to deep water in those late rounds when shit's really bad and it's ugly and everything hurts, and you're bleeding into your own eyes, like those aren't that dark, those places aren't that dark for me.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I'm not that uncomfortable there.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that that's the difference of a lot of my opponents is I'm okay with going to those places, and I think only life experiences can get you there, only understanding loss and pain and in real pain gets you to a place where you're comfortable where everyone else is miserable.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh, like so you and I are kindred spirits here, man.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_01: Uh uh, I I I and and we could get really deep, but I I've basically been on my own since I was a preteen.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I raised myself, I literally lived on my own through high school.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_01: And it was it was one of those things that instilled a work ethic in me.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like for my day job, I lead people.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_01: And one of the things I do when I train other leaders is I say, okay, day one, you need to pick the hardest shit to do so everybody else sees you do that so they know that you're not gonna ask them to do something that you're not willing to do yourself.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_01: And I I think that's a that's a work ethic mindset that just having that hard life like instills in people and makes for successful adults, right?
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you talked about it's failing upward, you know.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_00: So and I've never failed in I don't and I think some I honestly I hate to say it, but I I think some of it people are just born with.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um you you're either you're either born with like a you're a glass half empty or a glass half full, right?
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_00: And that's I think that uh unfortunately that's just how it is.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_00: You can you change that mentality for sure, but it's gonna be through a bunch of pain and a bunch of terrible shit, and that's just that's just life.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_00: And I and I think that my I guess my outlook on things is like no matter what, even when my wife and I were 20 years old, 21, with a baby on the way that we couldn't afford, like I she's always had the mentality, like what like what are we gonna do?
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_00: And my mentality has always been I'll figure it out because that's what I've always had to do.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_00: I've just always had to figure it out.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_00: Like I didn't have the opportunity to just fall back on somebody else and have someone else fix it, you know, and and and and part of that go, you know, that kind of goes to Scott and I's relationship.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_00: Scott's the only person that I've ever been able to rely on when I'm in the worst situations in the world, which is in a fight where everything's terrible, my back's against the wall, I don't know what to do.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_00: He's the only person I've been able to look to, and just through our eye contact, explain to him, I need you to help me.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_00: Like I need out of this, and I I can't figure it out.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_00: So, um, and you know, it's those two people, like I said before, those are the two people that have always kept me centered.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_00: Michaela's always the one that I know because of her and our children, I've always had to figure it out, and I don't have a choice, and that's how my entire life has been.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_00: And if I need, if I need a and if I need it out, then there's Scotty, you know, help me out.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_01: You know, that those non-verbals, uh, those non-verbal communications are so important, and it's so important to align yourself with people that just simply get you, and it might be one person, it might be five people, but if you can align yourself with just at least one that can read you when you need him to kind of change course a little bit and have a have a little bit more of a lighthearted stance.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_01: Is it true that you used one of your fights as a gender reveal?
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_00: I did, I did, yeah.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_00: Tell us about that.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was so uh it was our our second daughter.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_00: Uh her name is Avea, and I'm trying to I I remember I fought uh a guy named Victor Marino.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_00: It was in uh Bellator at the Mid-America Center in Council Bluffs, and I was the only one that knew, so which was fun because I hate the whole not knowing thing, it drives me crazy.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_00: So I was the only one that knew, and the uh the color of my shorts was gonna be the gender of the baby.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_00: So we had my shorts made in blue and pink that morning of the fight was our uh was the ultrasound to find out the sex of the you know, the gender of the baby.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_00: So uh yeah, I just I it was awesome, man.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_00: I had both pairs and took them both with me, and uh, it was in an envelope.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_00: And so I my wife didn't know, nobody knew, and that in all of her friends, her family, my friends, my family, everyone was there, and I walked out in pink shorts.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_00: And actually, to to mess with her, I wore uh black shorts over them.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_00: So when I took off like my sweats and stuff, I was wearing black shorts, and everyone was like suit, like it was suspenseful, and everyone's waiting, and then I take off the sweatpants and then they're black, and everyone's like looking around, super confused.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, it was cool though, it was a lot of fun.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_01: It was a fun awesome, that's awesome.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_01: And it there's there's nothing more badass than a dude that's confident enough to walk around in pink, right?
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: Pink shorts, yeah.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, finished them.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was it would it have sucked really bad if he'd beat me though.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_00: That would have sucked.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_01: Oh shit.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_01: Oh man.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_01: So when you're not in fight camp, um, what does a training routine look like for you?
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_00: Uh you know, it's it kind of depends what my uh what my fight schedules look like.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_00: So right if I've been super busy, you know, there was a time where I fought like six times and or I fought five times in 10 months or something like that.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_00: I fought a bunch.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_00: So in those times, my off time I'm completely off just because I need the break.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then you know, if I'm fighting twice a year, three times a year, then then I do a little, I do a lot more training in between just to stay in shape.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_00: But uh like the after my last I fought in November um and I just started back to training uh last week.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_00: So um when I in between fights, it's it's not every day.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_00: It's I it's probably uh probably four days a week.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_00: Uh nothing nothing super stressful, you know, like the workouts are hard, but it's it's nice to go in there and just you know get some jujitsu rolls in and and and just get a little bit better uh without the stress of a fight coming up.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, yeah, nothing too crazy.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_01: You have to just do it for your own therapy sometimes too, right?
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, jujitsu is like, you know, everyone from the outside would probably peg me as a striker.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_00: That's seemingly what the people have done, but I've never called myself a striker.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I've always been a grappler, I've always been a jiu-jitsu guy.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_00: So uh jujitsu is kind of my passion.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_00: So that's that's what I do when I don't have a fight coming up because it's just fun to me.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I try to compete in jujitsu as much as possible.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_00: It's I don't know, it's stress-free competition.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_00: You get to turn, you know, you get to turn it on and rev that engine a little bit, but there's no real stress behind it.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_00: Because if you lose, like, so what?
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_00: It's not a big deal.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_01: The girls, you know, as they're getting older, are they taking any kind of interest in martial arts at all, or are they just staying as far away from it as possible?
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_00: Nah not too much.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_00: My oldest uh did a little bit of jujitsu.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's a little bit different with girls because they're they're not as into like being held down and right like the the jujitsu's it's you know, it's kind of an intimate setting, like it's you're very much all over everybody, you know.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_00: That's just kind of how it is.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_00: And for whatever reason, my kids if if they're fighting and punching and scratching and choking, it's usually each other.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_00: So uh, which is so odd to me that you know they're they are all about fighting.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, these these three psychopaths, you know, they fight like boys, they're a little young.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_00: So my my middle loves to be in the gym, so I've taken her to training camp with me a couple times, and it's just you know, it's just me and her, and she'll hang out with me for a week and then I'll bring her home.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: But um, so she loves being in the gym, uh, and they all love fighting me.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_00: But as far as them wanting to like train in actual classes and stuff, they haven't showed too much interest, and I haven't really pushed it.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_01: Gotcha.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_01: So I've got I've got three daughters myself, uh twin stepdaughters, they're both 14.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_01: My daughter's that going.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it gets better, it gets better, brother.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: My my daughter from my first marriage is also 14.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_01: So I've got three girls that are the same exact age.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm seeing the look on your face.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, good luck with that.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_01: And my my poor son's 11.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_01: And so that poor guy.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right, right.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_00: So we're giving my condolences, right?
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_01: We're kind of like on our own island together, but uh, but but My kids, uh, they do taekwondo, and it was my son started doing it, and my daughter just was going to his classes occasionally, and she just latched onto it.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: And so she started taking it.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_01: I think she's gonna lap him within the year.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_01: She's gonna lap him.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_01: She's just so either.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_01: Oh no, no, I think his problem is he spends too much damn time on that fortnight shit, but right?
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's the problem with a lot of kids these days.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_01: So, what type of things do you do to decompress?
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I do we do a lot of things together, I don't do a whole lot of stuff on my own.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um we ride we ride razors a lot.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we pretty much spend the entire nice weather months traveling all over the country, um, just riding razors and trail riding and hitting Moab and the Black Hills and you know, wherever else we can go.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_00: And um, I got a big uh diesel pusher RV.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_00: So uh we spend a lot of time camping.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_00: So as soon as the weather gets nice, that's why I don't really fight in the summer that much.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_00: Uh that's all right.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_00: So my next fights, you know, April 24th, as soon as as soon as the kids are out of school, I'm out and we're hitting the road.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_00: So we you know, we'll just it's just all of us and the dog, and uh we'll pull a trailer and we just travel all over the place.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_00: So it's a lot of outdoor stuff.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I like to hunt, uh, I like to fish as much as I don't get out to do it as much as I want to, just with my busy schedule and the young family.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_00: It's just tough, right?
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_00: So I usually stuck to things that we can do together.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_00: And the kids love riding in the razors, they love ripping through the trails.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_00: So uh yeah, that's that's it, man.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_00: We we spend a lot of time cooking out.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_00: We have an awesome neighborhood.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_00: So on our street, there's I don't know, probably eight houses, eight families, and we all hang out a bunch.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so it's a lot of it's a lot of birthday parties, it's a lot of uh a lot of driveway, driveway beers and hanging out.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_00: So we do a lot of different stuff.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's awesome, man.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_01: So there's there's two things, two points I wanted to hit on.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um one of them being uh mental health being kind of top of mind for anybody after a year like 2020, uh dealing with social unrest, dealing with uh COVID-19.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, one of the things I admire about you is you have been incredibly transparent about the amount of self-care you take in, especially in the wake of the year you had, which was so roller coaster.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um and you know, how important, especially of guys from your industry, guys and gals of your in industry, to be transparent about putting it all out there on the table like that.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_00: I you know, I think I think everyone should be a little bit more transparent about it.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_00: I you know, I I I've been the person who was who was too tough, um, too cool, I'm like to deal with it.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_00: But at the end of the day, not just in 2020, I think everyone could use a little bit of self-care and and a little bit of I don't know, I I like to call it maintenance, you know.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_00: I I just I know that when I don't spend time uh talking it out or or really, you know, I use I use her as like a sounding board.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_00: Like, is this really as important as I think it is?
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_00: Or should this be bothering me as much?
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like a big whiteboard, and I just throw all my bullshit at it.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_00: And and then we we organize it and we figure it out and figure like, and then it's like you know, we got different categories, like super important, kind of important.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know why the hell you're worried about this.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_00: That's kind of like the the categories, you know.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I find a lot that I kind of talk through them myself as I'm you know talking to her about it.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_00: It kind of like as it all comes out, I kind of almost organize it myself.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_00: But I just think that, especially last year, I I just think that I don't think it should be so taboo, you know.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_00: And and even now, like I've been to events since I started talking about it.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_00: I was at the fight week, and you know, of course the media jumps all over because I'm one of the only guys who will talk about it.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_00: But like shit sucks to, you know, shit sucks sometimes.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like I got a pretty awesome life and it still sucks, you know.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_00: Like I don't have that many things that I that I can truly complain about.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_00: I was I was able to still provide for my family.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_00: I fought three times last year.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know, I like my family's healthy.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_00: I, you know, we we got COVID, but it was fairly mild, especially compared to a lot of the people in the world.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_00: Um like I don't have a lot of complaints, and and stuff still bothers me.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_00: So I can't imagine what the rest of the world feels like.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_00: I just don't I guess I don't understand.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_00: And even myself, I don't understand why it was such a big deal to me um to even bring it up and talk about it.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_00: But I don't know.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_00: I I think it's getting better because as you know, I uh Dustin Poirier had some things to talk about, and you know, Tony Ferguson, you know, has some documented issues and you know that are that are a lot worse than a lot of people's, but and you know, he even you know that came out and he's had to deal with it, and then Max Holloway had to deal with it, and then you know I talked about some stuff, and then uh you know it seems like people are starting to be a little bit more I don't know, a little bit more open.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um I think the world's just in a terrible place, and like people have to have somebody to talk to, they just do.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_01: You almost the mentality that I have about it is the last battle rap and eight mile.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_01: If you just put all the shit about yourself out there, then nobody can take anything, any shots at you, right?
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_00: That's been my whole life, bro.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I've I've never I've never hidden anything, right?
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_00: I've never I've never denied anything.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_00: If if if I did something wrong, I'll steer right into it.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_00: And I just I don't I don't know.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_00: I've just always had that approach.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I I just never want to have it have anyone have anything on me.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right, right.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_00: I I don't like I don't want anyone being like, oh Anthony Smith's got some mental health issues.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't give a shit.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I'll tell you, like I was having a tough time.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, you guys seen how my year went.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like I I needed someone to talk through it with, you know, and and and I it's not the first time I've talked to her, like and I and I was very clear about that with people.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_00: Like, this is I didn't just start because last year sucked, like I'd been doing it for a long time and then stopped doing it, and then shit went crazy, and I had to start again.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_00: Like, that's just I don't know.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_00: I just I guess I just don't give a shit what people think.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_00: And if I if I cared what people thought of me, uh like genuinely cared, obviously people say terrible things about me all the time, just read the comments online.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I I I wouldn't be where I am now, you know, if I if I even entertained that any of that stuff mattered.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_00: Uh there's only a handful of people whose opinion I actually care about.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_01: That's I mean this from the bottom of my heart.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_01: That's one of the things I love about you, man.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_01: For real, for real.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um I I focus a lot on core values.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_01: And there are four things in particular that have struck me that following your career, especially in recent years, uh, about you that just exemplify these core values that are so important to me.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_01: One, uh you never took you've never taken the easy way out.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_01: Like you could have taken the easy win against John Jones and you didn't do it.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_01: You just kept fighting.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, two, you could have stepped out of the Glover fight after the home invasion incident.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, three, taking that Devin Clark fight from a a three-round fight to a five-round fight to the point where Dana White gave probably one of the best press conferences about you after that fight was over.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, hell yeah, it's my guy.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and and then and then and then the fourth thing is responding to my dumbass on Instagram and doing this podcast.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_01: So again, man, like you you you exemplify and represent the state well, and and and it means the world to those of us that are paying attention.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_01: And I I don't know if you get to hear that from your fans enough, but you're you get to hear it directly from one right now.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, you know, I I don't ever, I guess I don't ever I don't ever look in the rearview mirror, you know.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_00: I've just I got I got those goals and I'm just always just trying to put one foot in front of the other.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know, and in some of that stuff, I sometimes I do think, and I'm not saying you, but I think some people think that I'm doing it so that people say those things.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_00: And like the world title, like I told you at the very beginning of this, I wanted to stand at the top of the mountain and have the entire world recognize that I was the best fighter in the world.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_00: Doing it like that with John Jones wasn't gonna get people to do that.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um so it was and again, I I would have had to say words that I've never said in my whole life, and that's that I can't keep going.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_00: And I like I wasn't willing to do that.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_00: Whether it was gonna make me millions of dollars, I mean, at the end of the day, that decision cost me$10 million, and that's just that's just the simple facts of it.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_00: But$10 million isn't enough money to have the entire world hear me on a microphone say that I can't do it anymore, and that's just that'll never happen.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_00: And it's just saying, and that's that rolls right into the glover thing.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't that I was in the best situation to fight.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_00: I had a broken hand, I was banged up, it was in the middle of a pandemic, I just had my entire life torn upside, you know, flipped upside down, my family was in shambles.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but I would have had to call the UFC and say, I just can't do this right now, and I'm not willing to do that.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not it does for anything.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um you'll never hear those words come out of my mouth.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_00: Uh and you know, I just and and back to answering you, like you're a Nebraska dude grinding trying to build a podcast.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_00: Like, there's no reason I wouldn't try to help anybody out, you know?
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_00: Like that's just how it is.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm a homegrown dude and I and I want everyone to have that opportunity.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_01: That's awesome, man.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_01: So uh when the uh when the UFC career is done, are you gonna do more commentary?
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_01: For are you just gonna go ESPN full time because you are fucking awesome at it.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_00: I love doing it too.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_00: I love doing it too.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_00: I just wish you know, honestly, it it would be the perfect job if the fights were on like Wednesdays, but it just takes up my whole damn weekend, right?
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, which drives me crazy.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_00: But other than that, uh and missing my weekends with the family, uh, I I couldn't have more fun.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_00: Uh it's it's such a blast.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_00: You know, when I'm done fighting, you know, I got some other things I want to do.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_00: I it it's really honestly, I really want to build something for my wife.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_00: So um she's she just finished school today.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um, congratulations to her!
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she's gonna go back and she's got a little bit left for for you know to just add on to that.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but I really want to build like a business for her.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_00: So maybe when I'm done, you know, we've talked about that a little bit.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_00: Like she doesn't want any part of building a business, but she loves helping people.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_00: So you know, I could build the business, she can just go help people and do what she does and and make a living doing it, and I'll just I'll just build the hard part that she doesn't want to do.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um I guess the easy easy part for me, the hard part for her.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um so there's that, and and and I love having my radio show.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_00: It's nice to just unplug and talk about fights uh with RJ.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_00: That's a lot of fun.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_00: And then the ESPN thing, I it it's too much fun to not do.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_00: So I do like the desk.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I think the transition for everyone is kind of from the desk to the cage side stuff.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm not sure I'm quite ready for that yet, just because it's a lot of work.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_00: It's uh it's it's it's a lot, it's a lot more work than I have to do.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_00: Like Joe Rogan, John Anick, Michael Bisbing, you know, Daniel Cormier, Paul Felder, uh Dominic Cruz, those guys put in an outstanding amount amount of work.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_00: It's so much work.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_00: So um I think I'm just cool hanging out at the desk right now.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's I don't want to say it's easier, it's different.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it's a lot of reactionary stuff, which is what I kind of do on my radio show, anyways.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_00: I just we talk about what we think could happen, and then afterwards we talk about what happened.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_00: Those guys got to call it real time, and that's really tough.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I watched the uh I watched the post-fight interview with you and Okamoto after the Devin Clark fight, and listening to you kind of do the analysis of your own fight was entertaining as shit.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_01: And the thing is, is like uh you crews and felder, I could I could listen to you guys analyze a pop tart in a toaster oven and still be entertained.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_01: You guys are so great at it, and I and I I I'm through I thoroughly enjoy it.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_01: So, speaking of uh Brett Okamoto, there was a tweet that went out today, and you blink and you missed it, you mentioned it.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, you got a fight coming up.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_01: Who is it against?
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_00: It's against Jimmy Cruot.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um, he's the number 12 ranked another number 12 ranked guy in the world.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um, super tough kid.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_00: He's like 24 years old, 12 and 1.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_00: He's from Australia.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um really fun matchup.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's it's there's a lot that goes into to booking a fight.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_00: So we've been there's been a lot of back and forth since November, but um, we got it done.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_00: He was actually booked with someone else.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I think he kind of got sick of waiting and trying to figure out the stuff with me.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_00: So he took another fight, that guy got hurt, and then he came crawling back to me.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um but yeah, you know, honestly, I like him.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_00: I love his style.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I think I tweeted him after his last fight, you know, like incredible win, you look good.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm a fan of his game.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_00: So I like the matchup because of the things he brings to the table.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_00: He he engages every aspect of the game.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_00: He's he's not one of those specialists that only wants to wrestle, only wants to grapple, or only wants to strike.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_00: Um that that his game works really well into mine, so he'll engage me and not and not hide from me in certain spots.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_00: So uh yeah, I'm excited.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_00: You know, there's levels to this.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_00: He's never fought anybody at my level before.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I guess he fought he fought one guy ranked in the top 10 and got beat.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_00: But since then, he's rattled off a couple pretty good wins.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um you know, he hasn't fought anyone that's got the experience at a high level like I do.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_00: I I think that he's if I'm being honest, I think he's aggressive and confident enough to get himself into trouble, and I don't think he's skilled or experienced enough to get himself out of it.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but I mean there's only on this why I love his game.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_00: There's only one way to find out.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_01: Sweet.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_01: So do you know where it's at yet?
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_00: I don't.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_00: I don't, I don't believe it's in the states, though.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_00: But my contract that I signed today was location TBD.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_00: That's not a joke.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_00: That's not a joke.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_01: That's actually what it said.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, which makes you kind of feel like this is like some bloodsport shit.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_00: Here's the date, here's the weight you have to be at, and here's what his name is.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_00: Like we'll tell you where it's at later.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_01: Some random guy in a boat will uh meet you at this dock.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_01: Well, man, I'm not gonna hold you up any longer.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_01: I appreciate you doing this.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_01: It means the world to me.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_01: I hope we can connect again soon.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and uh maybe maybe we can run into each other in the real world once the real world gets back to a little bit uh a little bit of normalcy.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe uh cheer some beers at a block party sometime.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, sounds good to me, man.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_00: Well, uh once it's well, once the weather warms up, you know, it's less about the world opening back up, just the damn weather's killing me, especially my my broken joints and and plates and screws, those things are screaming.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, sometime, man, we'll have to hook up, we'll have a beer, and then uh I don't know, maybe we'll talk right before my fight or right after.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_01: That sounds that sounds perfect, man.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks again for doing this.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_01: How cool was that?
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_01: Who gets to live this life?
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I guess I do.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, I want to give a big shout out to Anthony Lionheart Smith for doing the show, for responding to me on Instagram, and for giving our little show a chance.