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Chuck & Buck 6-12 Hour 4: One Series with Bryan Walters, we want our Piggyback and Booze News! · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: Of course, throughout the month of June our Seahawks One Series,
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Speaker 1: where we on a daily basis bring on one Seahawks
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Speaker 1: insider slash analyst to break down one key Seahawk player
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Speaker 1: for one entire interview, and that time is now on
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Speaker 1: this day to do that very exercise. Joining us for
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Speaker 1: the first time ever on our show. For the first
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Speaker 1: time ever on the Seahawks One Series, obviously, is a
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Speaker 1: kid born in Boffel, played his high school football in Kirkland, Washington,
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Speaker 1: became an Ivy League educated person, and then he ends
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Speaker 1: up with the Seahawks where he wins a Super Bowl.
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Speaker 2: Ring.
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Speaker 1: That's a pretty good journey, right there, Brian Walters. I mean,
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Speaker 1: you are through and through Seattle, Pacific northwest here and
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Speaker 1: look at all of your accomplishments, and now you're part
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Speaker 1: of the media. Why did you take a wrong turn?
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Speaker 2: I didn't see it going that way. I'm not gonna
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Speaker 2: lie to you. I thought you're going somewhere else. And
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Speaker 2: he said, where's the wrong turn? You're right, that's a
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Speaker 2: good question, and it's a turn I didn't see coming either,
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Speaker 2: But you know, I just had to had to join,
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Speaker 2: as the Seawks would say, join the dark Side, and
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Speaker 2: so far it's been good. I do I've really enjoyed it.
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Speaker 2: But but thanks for having me on today. This will
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Speaker 2: be this will be fun. I like the I like
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Speaker 2: what you guys are doing, just breaking down individual players.
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Speaker 2: I think it's pretty pretty, pretty cool and unique.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, great, well, thank you. I appreciate that, and I'm
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Speaker 1: excited and getting into it. But I do want to
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Speaker 1: ask you. You do have that Super Bowl ring? And
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Speaker 1: that's part of the daily news today that the Seahawks
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Speaker 1: got their Super Bowl rings?
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Speaker 2: Uh.
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Speaker 1: I mean they get just bigger and gaudier and more
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Speaker 1: expensive every year. You did not win your super Bowl
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Speaker 1: ring all that long ago. You are a young man,
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Speaker 1: for goodness sake. Can you believe how much bigger and
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Speaker 1: more expensive they are now compared to yours?
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's crazy. When we got ours, we were, like,
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Speaker 2: I think at the time, it was the most expensive
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Speaker 2: ring that's ever was ever made, and we were looking
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Speaker 2: at that thing like, oh my goodness, how can this
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Speaker 2: get any bigger. I'm not going to say bad because
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Speaker 2: I actually like the size of our because I feel
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Speaker 2: like I can wear it, you know, to normal events
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Speaker 2: and stuff, and it's not just getting in the way
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Speaker 2: I'm not running into door jams walking through doors with
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Speaker 2: it on, and I like that about it. But man,
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Speaker 2: it's it's absurd where they where they've gone to, and
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Speaker 2: I feel like it's almost like a Transformer. You got
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Speaker 2: buttons and things that come off of it and all that.
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Speaker 2: And not just the Seahawks new ring, but all the rings.
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Speaker 2: I think the Rams kind of started that trend. They
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Speaker 2: had like a stadium when they open up the ring,
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Speaker 2: stadiums inside of it, so you can do all kinds
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Speaker 2: of things. But it's pretty cool, pretty fun seeing kind
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Speaker 2: of where they can go, how creative they can get.
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Speaker 2: And I think the Seahawks ring it looks really really clean.
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Speaker 1: It's gonna end up being like a Transformer. They'll be
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Speaker 1: able to wear it and then drive it home eventually.
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Speaker 1: I think that's where it's going. Brian Walters is with
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Speaker 1: us for our Seahawks one series and we always allow
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Speaker 1: our analyst to pick the player he wants to break down.
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Speaker 1: So who are we going to break down today with
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Speaker 1: Brian Walters?
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Speaker 2: Well, this was an easy one for me just going
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Speaker 2: with Well, I played wide receiver, I was a punt returner.
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Speaker 2: I was a kick returner. So when when they say, hey,
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Speaker 2: you know, let's pick a player, I'm gonna go right
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Speaker 2: to the man himself or Shishi Heat, a guy that
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Speaker 2: came in mid season and just and really was a
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Speaker 2: huge spark for this for the Seattle team. So I
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Speaker 2: want to I'll break him down a little bit kind
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Speaker 2: of what he what I saw from him last year,
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Speaker 2: and just what to expect this year, because I just
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Speaker 2: I love watching him play. I love what he brings
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Speaker 2: to this team, and I think one thing about him
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Speaker 2: is is he can bring it. What I appreciate about
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Speaker 2: him is he's not just doing it in one one
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Speaker 2: aspect of the game. You know, He's not just doing
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Speaker 2: it as a wide receiver. He's doing it multiple ways.
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Speaker 2: He's doing it in special teams. He's changing the game
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Speaker 2: in many ways. And also he's not just catching passes.
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Speaker 2: He's getting runs, he's getting reverses, he's out of the
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Speaker 2: backfield getting handoffs at some point, and so there's a
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Speaker 2: lot to his game that I love. So it'll be
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Speaker 2: an easy breakdown.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he did not stack the statistics, especially from an
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Speaker 1: offensive standpoint a year ago, but he authored some of
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Speaker 1: the biggest, most game changing, season changing plays in his
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Speaker 1: short time in the Seahawks uniform a year ago. I'll
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Speaker 1: just ask you to get us going. Would the Seahawks
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Speaker 1: have won the Super Bowl without Rashid Shaheed last year?
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad you asked that because I've made this
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Speaker 2: point kind of all off season and even going into
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Speaker 2: the Super Bowl, and I say, it's hard to say
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Speaker 2: that one person gets you to where you're at on
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Speaker 2: any team. You know, it's hard to say one team
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Speaker 2: or one person really got him to the super Bowl,
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Speaker 2: one on the Super Bowl, whatever it is. But when
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Speaker 2: you look at the timing of Rashid Shied and the
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Speaker 2: plays he made when you absolutely needed it, you, I mean,
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Speaker 2: there's there's nobody that stands out more than Rashid because
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Speaker 2: I mean without that punt return against the Rams, you know,
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Speaker 2: did the Seahawks beat the Rams? Do they win the
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Speaker 2: NFC West? Do they do they get home field advantage
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Speaker 2: and make to the playoffs? I don't know. And you
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Speaker 2: can go to so many any different plays throughout the season,
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Speaker 2: and you know one people forget about. I mean, you're
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Speaker 2: six to six against the Atlanta Falcons at halftime, you know,
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Speaker 2: you go down. You're in Atlanta and you're having a
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Speaker 2: flug faft down there. Kind of a little snoozer, honestly.
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Speaker 2: And where's that spark come from? Well, he returns the
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Speaker 2: opening kickoff for a touchdown and then it was over
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Speaker 2: after that. You know, it's like the little sparks that
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Speaker 2: he presented again, forty nine ers game playoffs, the divisional
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Speaker 2: round just start. Not really a clutch I wouldn't say
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Speaker 2: it's a clutch play because it's the very first play
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Speaker 2: of the game, but it's kind of like that spark,
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Speaker 2: like okay, like here we are and you didn't even
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Speaker 2: look back after Rashishi he'd returned that for a touchdown.
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Speaker 2: So there's just so many little plays. I shouldn't say
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Speaker 2: little plays, I should say big plays. But that stand
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Speaker 2: out to me about Rashid and how he got this
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Speaker 2: team to wear the rat. But again, you already mentioned it.
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Speaker 2: I mentioned it. The biggest one was against the Rams
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Speaker 2: in the regular season. The second game at home, You're down,
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Speaker 2: what thirty to twelve something something like that. If I
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Speaker 2: recall thirty to twelve or thirty to fourteen fourteen, Yeah, yep,
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Speaker 2: and I think it was thirty to fourteen. You're right,
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Speaker 2: because the end up being thirty to twenty two after
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Speaker 2: this because they made the two point conversion, but and
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Speaker 2: you needed it. And I was in the press box.
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Speaker 2: I was in the press box looking down this game like,
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Speaker 2: oh man, I think the Seahawks lost this. And then
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Speaker 2: I turned to another my colleague, Michael Bumpus, you know,
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Speaker 2: another analyst, and I said, hey, the only way the
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Speaker 2: Seahawks get back into this game is if Sean McVay
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Speaker 2: actually kicks it to Rasieja Heat and he scored a
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Speaker 2: touchdown right here, like that's it. And right before that punt,
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Speaker 2: I said that to him, that that's it. This is
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Speaker 2: the only way the Seahawks can win that game is
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Speaker 2: if Sean McVay chooses to punt the ball to receiet
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Speaker 2: Your Heat. And fair enough, there it was. They punted
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Speaker 2: to him, they score, no time came off the clock,
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Speaker 2: and then you know, the rest is history. In that game,
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Speaker 2: they made a big run and didn't look back after that.
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Speaker 2: So look, did Rasishi Heat win on the Super Bowl? Well,
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Speaker 2: you can make an argument for it, that's for sure. Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Former see Brian Walters, our guest here on our Seahawks
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Speaker 1: one Series one analyst breaking down one key Seahawk player
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Speaker 1: for one entire interview, and Brian has chosen Rashid Shaheed
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Speaker 1: to break down with us here today. And so there
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Speaker 1: was a question, I mean, would he price himself out
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Speaker 1: of Seattle this offseason? I mean, fifteen catches one hundred
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Speaker 1: and eighty eight yards over nine games, even with special teams.
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Speaker 1: You do wonder whether or not that warrants a seventeen
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Speaker 1: million dollars per year contract. Brian, Why is he going
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Speaker 1: to end up being worth seventeen million dollars a year
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Speaker 1: for this football team?
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Speaker 2: Well, I think you have to kind of look at
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Speaker 2: the circumstances he was in. I think the reason one, yes,
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Speaker 2: his production was down when he came to Seattle. One,
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Speaker 2: you know, just kind of getting the swing of things.
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Speaker 2: But you also have guys a Cooper Cup and JSN
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Speaker 2: You're you're playing alongside. When you look at what he
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Speaker 2: did when he was with the Saints earlier in that season,
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Speaker 2: I mean it drastically changed when he came with Seat.
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Speaker 2: How many targets he's getting and just more of the
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Speaker 2: opportunities to get. I mean, you go to the Saints
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Speaker 2: and I'm just gonna look at it. I'm gonna read it.
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Speaker 2: He played what nine games with the Saints, and I
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Speaker 2: mean you have nine targets, five targets, six targets five five, six,
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Speaker 2: nine twelve not I mean, he would get in so
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Speaker 2: many targets. He was their go to guy because it
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Speaker 2: was him and Chris lave in the Saints. So it's
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Speaker 2: kind of like him JSN. But you had a Cooper Cup,
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Speaker 2: you had, you had you know, you had guys like
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Speaker 2: that that can make plays as well. And also the scheme,
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Speaker 2: you know, Kubiak scheme. What I appreciated about Pubiac last
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Speaker 2: year was he wanted to run the ball and he
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Speaker 2: committed to that. He committed to that a lot. And
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Speaker 2: so that's gonna take. That's gonna take those targets. But
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Speaker 2: again with Rashid, I don't think it's about the volume
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Speaker 2: at all, but it's about when he does get his opportunity,
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Speaker 2: he does get his chance to make an impact. Can
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Speaker 2: you get those explosive plays from him that that pretty
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Speaker 2: much that can turn games around, that can change games
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Speaker 2: for you. And I think that's where you're in his
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Speaker 2: seventeen million dollars, that's where you really see the game
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Speaker 2: changing effect that he has. And then and then now
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Speaker 2: you have an off season with him, You have a
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Speaker 2: whole off season, so everyone's learning this new playbook at
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Speaker 2: the same time. And what I'm most fascinated going to
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Speaker 2: this season is is he the number two guy or
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Speaker 2: super Cup the number two guy? Yeah, if Tory Horton
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Speaker 2: comes back, is he gonna be the number two guy?
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Speaker 2: Because remember what Tory Horton did before they got Rashi
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Speaker 2: chi heat Remember how he was on that role too.
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Speaker 2: So you have four wide receivers now that all can
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Speaker 2: make big time plays and have all proved it at
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Speaker 2: some point or another in the NFL, and I think
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Speaker 2: that's pretty remarkable. But Rashid, I just see him expanding
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Speaker 2: his role in this offense. There's a few things that
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Speaker 2: I can get into here in a bit that I
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Speaker 2: think he needs to improve on if he's gonna take
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Speaker 2: that next step with the Seattle offense. But I think
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Speaker 2: he's just a perfect compliment to JSN really to open
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Speaker 2: up the field.
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Speaker 1: Well, let's get into those What are those things that
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Speaker 1: you see that could make Rashid Shaheed that much more
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Speaker 1: impactful for the Seahawks this year.
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Speaker 2: I think it's going to be one catching in traffic
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Speaker 2: in the quick game. You know, sometimes these slants, these
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Speaker 2: little short passes. Yeah, you see the explosives. They want
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Speaker 2: to take shots down with Shrashiji Heat. But if he's
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Speaker 2: going to really maximize those explosive plays like that, like that,
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Speaker 2: the deep shots, he's got to show that he can
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Speaker 2: go down and go in the middle, catch a little slant,
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Speaker 2: catch a little five yard in route and make it
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Speaker 2: and make it smooth. You know, we see JFN do
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Speaker 2: that all the time. Cooper cuts the master at just
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Speaker 2: kind of being in the middle field catching it in traffic,
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Speaker 2: and I don't think we see that from Mashishi Heat now.
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Speaker 2: And he got the opportunity with the Seahawks, not a lot,
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Speaker 2: but when he has, I haven't seen him come down
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Speaker 2: with those yet. So I want to see that really
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Speaker 2: really come to the front of his game, just kind
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Speaker 2: of that all around receiver win a slant route Sam
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Speaker 2: Donald right on right on the money boom, you know,
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Speaker 2: ten to fifteen yard game take from a slant route,
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Speaker 2: little short route like that. So that would be one
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Speaker 2: of the things I'll be really watching for him this year.
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Speaker 2: He is going to be that full time number two guy.
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Speaker 2: And then one more thing I think that stood out
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Speaker 2: to me, it's pretty nitpicky, honestly, but you know, I
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Speaker 2: for breaking down a player, you get the negatives. I think.
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Speaker 2: I think at some point when you're some of these
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Speaker 2: deep balls, now he's he's fantastic, right. You know, he
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Speaker 2: a lot of times has two three steps on guys,
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Speaker 2: but sometimes he doesn't have the two or three steps,
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Speaker 2: which is fine, right. Dvs are fast too, and they're
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Speaker 2: right with him. I think his strength to the ball
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Speaker 2: can be a little bit better. I think sometimes you
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Speaker 2: see him kind of throw his hands up early looking
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Speaker 2: for that pass interference before the balls even hit the ground,
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Speaker 2: and I'd like to see him just play through that,
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Speaker 2: play through it, go up, try to high point. It
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Speaker 2: doesn't matter if you get pass interfearit or not, but
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Speaker 2: you're trying to make a play like it's all about
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Speaker 2: the ball. And I think a few times last season
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Speaker 2: I saw him just kind of almost give up on
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Speaker 2: a deep ball because he's trying to sell the pass interference.
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Speaker 2: And I think that would be something I'd want to
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Speaker 2: see him just just just be strong up to the ball,
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Speaker 2: let the rest figure out the pass interference. Don't throw
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Speaker 2: your hands up wanting to call before the ball did
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Speaker 2: you hit the ground. So I'd say those two things
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Speaker 2: can really elevate him to the next level along with
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Speaker 2: all the other things that he brings. That is really
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Speaker 2: he's just so talented back there. And we didn't even
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Speaker 2: really got to the special teams part of it. Yeah, well,
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Speaker 2: it would be as a wide receiver to be that
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Speaker 2: number two guy, That's what I'd like to see.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I do want to get the special teams
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Speaker 1: here in a moment with Brian Walters, our Seahawks one
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Speaker 1: Series one analyst Brian Walters breaking down one key player,
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Speaker 1: Rashid Shaheed for one entire interview. But before we get
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Speaker 1: special teams, how do you think they might use him
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Speaker 1: in the running game? Brian Florey didn't use a lot
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Speaker 1: of receiver endo rounds, but that is something San Francisco
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Speaker 1: was kind of known for when Deebo Samuel was there,
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Speaker 1: And obviously we're looking at two completely different body types
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Speaker 1: Shaheed versus Deebo Samuel. But how effective do you think
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Speaker 1: they might use him as a running back on in
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Speaker 1: that jet sweep and getting them around the edge.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're not going to see a lot
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Speaker 2: of change as far as how they used them last year.
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Speaker 2: Reverses would you see four almost four reverses maybe five
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Speaker 2: reverses Rashiji heat last season kind of trying to give
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Speaker 2: a spark and none bigger than I think it was
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Speaker 2: some of that reverse. It was it the rams, it
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Speaker 2: was the uh the I'm trying to think it was
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Speaker 2: is that same game we returned, the same game we
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Speaker 2: returned to kick in the second game regular season. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: they also had a point where the offense was a
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Speaker 2: little bit stale, kind of later in the game and
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Speaker 2: you're like, ah, and it was thirty to twenty two,
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Speaker 2: remember this now, and they kind of threw a reverse
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Speaker 2: to Rashid and he took it for about thirty yards
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Speaker 2: twenty five thirty yards, and it sparked everything from there.
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Speaker 2: It was like, Okay, this game's kind of going to
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Speaker 2: the Seahawks, and this is after his return. So it
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Speaker 2: was Rashid again with back to back with two big plays.
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Speaker 2: That really was the spark. So I don't I if
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Speaker 2: I'm an offensive coordinator and I'm going into this season
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Speaker 2: like like Brian Fleury is, and you're kind of getting
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Speaker 2: your your game plan going, and how am I going
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Speaker 2: to use Rashiki Heat? Well, the film doesn't lie on
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Speaker 2: what his strengths are, and so's it's reverses, it is
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Speaker 2: the fly sweeps. It is you saw him out of
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Speaker 2: the backfield and an eye formation. There was a full
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Speaker 2: back in front of him early early on when they
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Speaker 2: got him and they handed it off off the left
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Speaker 2: back or a little little outside zone the pitch to
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Speaker 2: him and he got ten yards. So he's so versatile
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Speaker 2: in that way that I don't see him changing it,
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Speaker 2: changing it up at all. Maybe a few more screams,
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Speaker 2: you know, maybe some wide receiver screens. I don't think
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Speaker 2: we saw a lot of that to him, But that's it.
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Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to be anything crazy. And
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Speaker 2: you can't do that all the time. You know, you
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Speaker 2: can't just sit there and try to run reverse after
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Speaker 2: reverse to rashiki heat. But you know, when you need
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Speaker 2: to shock that defense and surprise that defense, boom, you
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Speaker 2: have a guy like Rashikihi who can do that and
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Speaker 2: get the corner.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, anything to get him in space, it feels like
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Speaker 1: will be the objective. And let's talk about that returnability.
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Speaker 1: Is there a better guy right now in the National
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Speaker 1: Football League? Would you trade him for anybody? Kick punt
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Speaker 1: returner in the entire league right now.
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Speaker 2: No, I don't think so, and I think the reason
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Speaker 2: being is all to start with the basics. Just he
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Speaker 2: is so smooth catching the ball like that's that's a rarity,
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Speaker 2: it really is. You have guys back there a lot,
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Speaker 2: even some of the best returners you've seen in the league,
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Speaker 2: who you look, they look a little bit uncomfortable trying
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Speaker 2: to catch a punt and are moving last second, They're
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Speaker 2: not really getting their feet underneath it, and they are
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Speaker 2: catching it in awkward positions. And that's as a coach,
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Speaker 2: a special teams coach, as any coach, that's kind of
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Speaker 2: put some doubt in your mind if you have a
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Speaker 2: guy back there not judging the punts very well. But
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Speaker 2: Rashid is flawless at it. I mean he really is.
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Speaker 2: The way he sets himself up, he's always catching the
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Speaker 2: ball on the same spot and you just trust that
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Speaker 2: he's always going to catch the ball. And that's the
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Speaker 2: number one thing. It's always what I was told when
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Speaker 2: I was part of during Pete Carroll used to tell
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Speaker 2: me before I got off every almost every single punt
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Speaker 2: returns out there, hey get the ball back to our offense.
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Speaker 2: Get the ball back to our offense, you know, and
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Speaker 2: so it's like, all right, yeah, I guess that is
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Speaker 2: my job technically, get the ball to Marshaun Lynch and
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Speaker 2: Russ and let them do their things. So that's very,
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Speaker 2: very just basic. Rashida is probably the best in the
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Speaker 2: league at that the way he does it, and then
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Speaker 2: you look at what he does with the explosiveness, and
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Speaker 2: what I love about Rashida is he doesn't try to
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Speaker 2: be someone that he's not. And when I say that,
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Speaker 2: I mean he's not back there dancing around, going side
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Speaker 2: to side, waiting for something to develop, trying to juke
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Speaker 2: and reversing feel He's not doing that. That's not his game.
16:39
Speaker 2: His game is being decisive. His game is trusting the
16:42
Speaker 2: return and using his speed to find the gashes in
16:47
Speaker 2: the return. And that's exactly what he has done and
16:49
Speaker 2: that's how he's when he has three return touchdowns last year,
16:53
Speaker 2: one punt, two kickoff returns, maybe even more if I'm
16:56
Speaker 2: not mistaken, But that's when you watch all those return
17:00
Speaker 2: they're all the same. It's just I'm catching it and
17:02
Speaker 2: I'm going and I'm gonna I'm putting my foot in
17:05
Speaker 2: the ground. And I'm making my one cut and I'm gone,
17:07
Speaker 2: and I'm using my speed out run everybody. And that's
17:09
Speaker 2: what he does best. So it's it's fun to watch
17:12
Speaker 2: a guy who trusts his speed so much, and you're
17:16
Speaker 2: not sitting there as a fan, not sitting there as
17:18
Speaker 2: an analyst, not sitting there as the coach, kind of like,
17:20
Speaker 2: come on, make up, like get up field, get up field.
17:23
Speaker 2: You know you're not. Don't have that thoughts with him.
17:25
Speaker 2: He's going, he's hitting it and if he he only
17:28
Speaker 2: gets ten yards, great, that's awesome. He makes those ten
17:31
Speaker 2: yards count, you know, because he hits it hard and
17:33
Speaker 2: that's like the first first down for the offense. So
17:36
Speaker 2: that's what I love watching him. He's just very, very decisive.
17:40
Speaker 2: Nobody wants to go with it and can can spring
17:42
Speaker 2: it at any moment.
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Speaker 1: Love it, great stuff. Thank you man, appreciated good having
17:46
Speaker 1: you on. We'll have to bug you more frequently. It
17:50
Speaker 1: was it was a pleasure, awesome.
17:52
Speaker 2: Well, hey, thanks for having me and had good luck
17:55
Speaker 2: with the rest of it. Do you know who you
17:56
Speaker 2: have coming up?
17:57
Speaker 1: Well, we keep it a little bit of a secret,
17:59
Speaker 1: but on Monday we'll have our own Hugh Millen and
18:02
Speaker 1: he's our resident quarterback, so that probably gives you a
18:06
Speaker 1: hint as to who we're gonna do on Monday.
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Speaker 2: We go. Yeah, yeah, I love it. I love it awesome. Thanks,
18:12
Speaker 2: good luck with the rest of it. Thanks for having
18:13
Speaker 2: me on.
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Speaker 1: You appreciate you. Brian Walters, former Seahawk joining us right
18:17
Speaker 1: here for our Seahawks one series now part of us
18:20
Speaker 1: here in the Seattle media with the television post game
18:24
Speaker 1: and so we appreciate him coming on here today and
18:27
Speaker 1: breaking down Rashid Shahi. That's how you do it right there.
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Speaker 3: That's great.
18:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was great. That's how you do you break
18:32
Speaker 1: it down from Ruder to Tutor. Coming up next. Speaking
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Speaker 1: of which, let's talk piggies. Sports Radio ninety three point
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Speaker 1: three kJ RFM. Oh yeah, we get our piggyback ribs
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Speaker 1: going on again.
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Speaker 3: Get piggyback on.
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Speaker 1: It's Chuck and Ashley. Whether you're here on this Friday,
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Speaker 1: Booze News coming your way in a little bit, nothing
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Speaker 1: like teake, you know, taking your your piggyback ribs and
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Speaker 4: I always, especially with that Yellowstone bourbon, goes so well
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Speaker 4: with your piggyback grips.
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Speaker 1: Did you have anything at the cafeteria yesterday?
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Speaker 2: Did you?
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Speaker 1: I did not have anything.
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Speaker 4: No, there was no food available, just warm temperatures and
19:12
Speaker 4: a lot of speeches.
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Speaker 1: What is the point of going to a grade school
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Speaker 1: cafeteria without getting like, you know, a little meat loaf
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Speaker 1: served to you somebody with a hairnet?
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Speaker 3: I think the same.
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Speaker 4: I had the same thoughts and the same visualizations. But
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Speaker 4: it is the cafeteria and the gym so okay, and
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Speaker 4: the and the auditorium, so it really triples. It's a
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Speaker 4: triple workspace that we were going with there for the
19:37
Speaker 4: fifth grade graduation.
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Speaker 1: Have nothing else, just like a fruit salad, like a
19:40
Speaker 1: mixed fruit you know from the can?
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Speaker 2: Is that? Yeah?
19:44
Speaker 1: So delicious?
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Speaker 3: It's the best or a pair half.
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Speaker 4: I feel like my day yesterday was a complete failure,
19:50
Speaker 4: is really all I'm thinking.
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Speaker 1: Because you didn't have any cafeteria. If you just went
19:55
Speaker 1: to a measly old graduation, yeah.
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Speaker 3: My kids done with elementary school. Okay, Well what did
20:00
Speaker 3: I get for it?
20:01
Speaker 1: You don't know?
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Speaker 3: Cocktails?
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Speaker 2: You have a.
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Speaker 1: Graduation, you have a party probably ceremony inside a cafeteria,
20:09
Speaker 1: and the cafeteria doesn't cater the party.
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Speaker 3: I mean, what are we doing with our lives? Milk creek.
20:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think all the parents should have been able
20:17
Speaker 1: to go buy and pick out a milk.
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Speaker 3: I would have hated that one. Actually, did you ever.
20:26
Speaker 1: Have any thing called a frittata? We had a frittata,
20:29
Speaker 1: and I think in the Midwest somebody just made it up.
20:32
Speaker 1: They're like, it was like a pizza with like Mexican
20:35
Speaker 1: ingredients on it and it was flat, and they just
20:37
Speaker 1: called it a frittata.
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Speaker 3: But everybody looked forward to frittata Day. I mean, it
20:41
Speaker 3: sounds pretty good.
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Speaker 4: I've had a frittata, like when you actually make a fritata,
20:44
Speaker 4: which I believe is with egg.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've had that, but never this one you speak.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we called it a forritata because we never heard
20:51
Speaker 1: of actual uh you know gourmet recipes.
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Speaker 3: Well, who has an in lunchroom cafeteria?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, But anyway, Donnie West and their big giant butt
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Speaker 1: serving me for tata's on a biweekly basis serve some
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21:21
Speaker 1: You could watch a DraftKings sports book, plus the World Cup,
21:24
Speaker 1: plus Mariners baseball. What a wonderful saturday I've just carved
21:29
Speaker 1: out for you. And it's supposed to be pretty warm.
21:31
Speaker 1: Starting to get pretty warm here, so why not just
21:33
Speaker 1: take advantage of the free air conditioning.
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Speaker 3: Sounds like a really good plan, actually.
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Speaker 1: Leela Presort Casino. All right, let's talk about the piggyback,
21:42
Speaker 1: because it's gotta it needs to come back into our
21:46
Speaker 1: lives at this point. I mean, think about the things
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Speaker 1: that we are struggling with as a baseball team, especially
21:51
Speaker 1: our pitching staff.
21:52
Speaker 2: Right now.
21:52
Speaker 1: I mean, we've got a very good pitching staff. We
21:55
Speaker 1: have very good starting pitching. We have very good relief pitching.
21:58
Speaker 1: For all the people that have been about how bad
22:01
Speaker 1: our relief is, well, you're not paying attention. I mean
22:05
Speaker 1: the statistics suggest that we have one of the best
22:08
Speaker 1: bullpens in all of baseball. Statistically, I think at one
22:12
Speaker 1: point this week we were number one, and we're hovering
22:16
Speaker 1: around number one in the American League in terms of
22:19
Speaker 1: bullpen era. And obviously we're well known for our starting pitching.
22:23
Speaker 1: We have so much starting pitching that we had to
22:26
Speaker 1: invent this piggyback thing. So it's good, and yet we
22:30
Speaker 1: still are trying to figure out how to piece this
22:32
Speaker 1: thing together. And despite all of those good things happening
22:36
Speaker 1: for our pitching staff, apparently we reached a crisis this
22:39
Speaker 1: week with our bullpen that everybody was tired and nobody
22:44
Speaker 1: was available, And for two straight days it seems like
22:46
Speaker 1: nobody was available. And even when guys were available earlier
22:50
Speaker 1: this week, I mean, we're just asking too much of them.
22:53
Speaker 1: I frankly don't know how you could have painted yourself
22:56
Speaker 1: in this corner, because one thing we lead the American
22:59
Speaker 1: League in is fewest pitches thrown by our bullpen in
23:03
Speaker 1: the American League. And so I don't know how you
23:08
Speaker 1: got to this lowly state of being on a road
23:13
Speaker 1: and not being able to get through a series. I mean,
23:16
Speaker 1: we barely got through one game in this series. The
23:19
Speaker 1: second this game two was where we're asking people to
23:25
Speaker 1: do things that they've never been asked to do. Forere
23:28
Speaker 1: threw over forty pitches d Villa's closing in the tenth
23:31
Speaker 1: inning for goodness sake, So we only got through one
23:35
Speaker 1: game without a crisis in our bullpen. I don't know
23:39
Speaker 1: how that happens to you. When you've thrown the fewest
23:42
Speaker 1: innings out of your bullpen in the entire league. How
23:45
Speaker 1: does that even occur?
23:46
Speaker 4: I mean, it is a great question. And I would
23:48
Speaker 4: say too, with that extra inning game. You don't want
23:51
Speaker 4: extra innings a lot, but you would think you could
23:53
Speaker 4: at least handle going past a tenth inning.
23:55
Speaker 3: And what were we going to do.
23:57
Speaker 4: We'd have Davilla go out for and he'd end up
23:59
Speaker 4: throwing four pitches if you went to an eleventh, If.
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Speaker 1: He went to eleven, it had been to Villa.
24:03
Speaker 3: If you'd have gone to a twelfth, then what it
24:05
Speaker 3: might have.
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Speaker 1: Been to Villa? And it might have been Johnny Pareda.
24:08
Speaker 1: And I'm not even kidding because he has pitched before
24:10
Speaker 1: in major.
24:10
Speaker 3: League games, so he'd be he's the new Leo Rivas.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, with the game on the line, you're going to
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Speaker 1: your backup catcher to try to, you know, win in
24:18
Speaker 1: the thirteenth inning. That's apparently what we were on a
24:22
Speaker 1: collision course for having. So I don't quite understand how
24:26
Speaker 1: you've gotten into that shape, But if you're in that shape,
24:29
Speaker 1: we've even used the piggyback successfully for three trips through
24:32
Speaker 1: the rotation where we hardly even touched our bullpen, and
24:37
Speaker 1: people are so angry about it, and you were still
24:40
Speaker 1: stretched that incredibly thin somehow, some way. So if that's
24:47
Speaker 1: what we're dealing with, and we need to be that
24:51
Speaker 1: careful with all of our bullpen arms, because we have
24:55
Speaker 1: five really good guys and a couple. I like Davila,
24:59
Speaker 1: I like Hoppey, I like what I've seen out of them.
25:02
Speaker 1: We don't have a bad bullpen. We have a really
25:04
Speaker 1: good bullpen.
25:04
Speaker 3: Two very good outings in a row for Davila mm hm.
25:08
Speaker 1: And so I mean, I don't know how you got
25:10
Speaker 1: to that state, but that's where you are. And it
25:13
Speaker 1: sounds to me like you have to go back to
25:16
Speaker 1: the piggyback after these two turns, since you've committed to
25:19
Speaker 1: two turns with a six man rotation. If this messes
25:23
Speaker 1: you up this much, you have to go back to
25:25
Speaker 1: the piggyback. We need that. Every fifth day, one starter
25:29
Speaker 1: goes five innings and the other starter goes four innings,
25:32
Speaker 1: so that Apparently we have to save our bullpen once
25:35
Speaker 1: every five games, otherwise we can't get through a series.
25:39
Speaker 4: Oh frustrating, I want my piggyback, piggyback, piggyback.
25:43
Speaker 1: Well, there's another reason to have it. We got a
25:45
Speaker 1: couple of struggling starters right now, Ryan wo and George
25:48
Speaker 1: Kirby are not pitching well consistently. Right now, here's a
25:52
Speaker 1: third thing. When George Kirby does pitch well, it is
25:56
Speaker 1: usually for exactly five innings, and then when he goes
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Speaker 1: out for the sixth he gets in trouble, like he
26:02
Speaker 1: did this last time through the rotation. As a matter
26:05
Speaker 1: of fact, I saw this stat. Somebody else came up
26:08
Speaker 1: with it. It wasn't me, But we have the fourth worst
26:11
Speaker 1: RRA in Major League Baseball in the sixth inning. Now,
26:15
Speaker 1: in that odd yeah, a five point seven to three ERA.
26:18
Speaker 1: One of the best bullpens in the sport, one of
26:20
Speaker 1: the best starting rotations in the sport. But for whatever reason,
26:23
Speaker 1: in the sixth inning, we have a five point seven
26:26
Speaker 1: to three r in the sixth inning. And it's not
26:30
Speaker 1: because of the bullpen, it's because of our starters. It's
26:32
Speaker 1: because George Kirby. For whatever reason falls apart in the
26:36
Speaker 1: sixth Logan Gilbert, for whatever reason, when he has a problem,
26:39
Speaker 1: it's usually in the sixth. I don't know why this
26:41
Speaker 1: is happening, but it is happening, and it's so crazy,
26:45
Speaker 1: is it not? When we were doing the piggyback and
26:47
Speaker 1: everybody's like, how on earth could you take Bryce Miller
26:50
Speaker 1: out after just five innings when he's got a one
26:53
Speaker 1: header and then he's finally allowed to let it rip
26:57
Speaker 1: and he goes six inning? Yep, I mean there's a
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Speaker 1: one inning difference. If that's all we're getting is one
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Speaker 1: extra inning out of our starter, then why wouldn't we
27:08
Speaker 1: go to the piggyback? Why wouldn't we have him go
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Speaker 1: five and Castill go four, or Kirby go five and
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Speaker 1: Wu go four until they can get their crap together?
27:18
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't we do that if it means we can
27:20
Speaker 1: save the entire bullpen once every five days so that
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Speaker 1: we don't end up in the mess that we apparently
27:27
Speaker 1: ended up this week in Baltimore, Maryland.
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Speaker 4: I don't know why you don't at least try it,
27:31
Speaker 4: because look at what it has done to Castile. I mean,
27:35
Speaker 4: he went from being our first Pitcher to one of
27:38
Speaker 4: our most sturdy.
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Speaker 1: Maybe that would have happened anyway, maybe he was on
27:42
Speaker 1: the course, or maybe that extra incentive of like, hey,
27:47
Speaker 1: they're really asking me to prove myself here, and I
27:49
Speaker 1: can't let Bryce down. Right now, we're piggybacked. Right now,
27:54
Speaker 1: we're like a team in all of this. I got
27:56
Speaker 1: to do my part. Whatever happened, it sharpened Castile. Maybe
28:00
Speaker 1: it could do the same thing for Kirby and Woo.
28:02
Speaker 1: And I know that Kirby will fight it. He'll probably
28:05
Speaker 1: punch Pete Woodworth right in the bridge of his nose.
28:09
Speaker 1: But when he can own when he's struggling to get
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Speaker 1: through the sixth, ye might be a solution.
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Speaker 2: George.
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Speaker 1: We just need five out of you tonight, and then
28:19
Speaker 1: whether it's Woo or whether it's Castillo, it better not
28:22
Speaker 1: be Miller. They can finish the four. I know how
28:26
Speaker 1: uncomfortable it made it. I know people are sick of
28:28
Speaker 1: the word, all of that sort of thing. But the
28:31
Speaker 1: merits have outshined the negative aspects of the piggyback experiment,
28:36
Speaker 1: and I frankly won it back. I went to the
28:39
Speaker 1: bar the other night, I got piggyback whistle pig bourbon,
28:43
Speaker 1: and I tried to drink the thing back and do exist.
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Speaker 5: I mean, I wish it had worked. Well, it might
28:48
Speaker 5: maybe he didn't drink enough. We're committed to this, but
28:50
Speaker 5: it might work. Maybe the next time, when we're done
28:54
Speaker 5: the six man rotation, which I don't want to do anymore. Nope,
28:57
Speaker 5: then maybe we do go back to the piggyback because
29:00
Speaker 5: it kind of feels like we need to do it.
29:03
Speaker 5: We can't manage the bullpen. Dan can't manage the bullpen
29:07
Speaker 5: to keep everybody available and healthy to get us through games.
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Speaker 4: If nothing else, what benefit is the six man rotation
29:14
Speaker 4: giving you?
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Speaker 3: None would be, So there you go.
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Speaker 1: The idea about the six man rotation was that all
29:20
Speaker 1: of our starters could go an extra inning, and yet
29:23
Speaker 1: we're still Logans just getting through the sixth. Even with
29:26
Speaker 1: him gutting it up and going over one hundred pitches,
29:29
Speaker 1: he still only got through the sixth. So I think
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Speaker 1: I want my piggyback, piggyback, piggyback back. I do, all right,
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