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Immigration Flip: Crisis to $8.9T Opportunity (Full) · Solving America's Problems

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Alex: On this wrap-up of Solving America’s Problems’ longest series yet — Jerremy
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and Dave just admitted something wild.
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Dave walked in thinking illegal immigration was the core problem,
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deportations were mostly fine, and the whole thing felt like
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another messy American headache.
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[thoughtful] Then the numbers hit: immigrants have already pumped 8.9
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TRILLION dollars into U.S. GDP — that’s roughly 30% of the entire economy
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— while filling jobs nobody else wants.
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[exhales sharply] Jerremy dropped an even bigger one: the U.S. has
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enough empty land to give every single human on Earth multiple
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acres and still have room left over.
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Both hosts ended up flipped — arguing the real scandal isn’t people coming,
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it’s a broken political class that’s left four million cases rotting in limbo
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for decades and turned “illegal” into a shield for actual human trafficking.
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They closed the series claiming the fix is simpler, faster, and way more
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pro-America than anyone’s admitting…
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Jerremy: Dave, we're bringing the heat.
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Oh my goodness.
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You know what I'm excited about, man?
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Mo.
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Tons of things.
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One of them being we're over 100 episodes in and now we get to discuss
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and talk about Immigration Nation.
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What did we learn?
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Which is so far been everyone's favorite, right?
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Once we go through something, we deep dive, we have interviews, discussions,
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chats, breakthroughs, monumental awakenings, paradigm shifts, and then we
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wrap it all together on what do we learn, and that's where we're at right now.
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Dave: This has also been our longest series.
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Like I have learned all the different topics we've done.
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I mean, I've loved every single one of them.
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And you were like, let's do immigration.
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I went like, oh, okay.
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How are we gonna approach this?
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That's a hot topic.
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Let's do it.
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And in all the topics,
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school shootings and
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Jerremy: Actually, I think you said, oh, no one's gonna get
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offended by anything we discussed, then it's gonna be perfectly fine.
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Dave: this has been fun.
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And I feel changed from it.
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So I think this is, what did we learn?
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I learned a lot.
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Jerremy: That's cool.
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So for a moment, when you say you felt change tell me
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a little bit more about that.
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What does that mean, or how does that resonate with you and
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Where do you feel that shift?
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Dave: I think coming into this, I came in with a certain amount of, yeah.
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Illegal immigration, bad.
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Yeah.
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I'm okay with deportations, but you know, how it's happening now is just barbaric.
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And immigrants, you know, is it really good?
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You know, like, immigration very confused, right?
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It's like, uh, immigration is good.
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And I was sort of a mixed bag on it.
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But also growing up in a very diverse, immigrant rich world, it's like, I
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don't have anything against this.
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I just saw it as a problem.
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Yet another American problem is immigration.
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And then really hearing, well, it's a problem of our own
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making like so many things.
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It's a problem of our political class, and how that's failing us.
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It's.
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A problem of perception more than anything.
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And I came out with a couple of things that I think really shifted me,
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which was, this is such an economic problem in so many different ways
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and can be solved economically.
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When we take the word illegal out of this discussion and put in economic
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prosperity and drive this through what everybody's doing, which is they're
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coming here, they're working, they're contributing to society, and let's take
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the illegal legal thing out of this.
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Let's simplify this.
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Let's make this about great jobs and great families.
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English is really important.
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That came up so many times.
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It almost sounded a little bit, I don't know if racist is the right word,
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it sounded a little bit like Oggie.
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But then when you talk to a bunch of immigrants and second and third
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generation immigrants, they're like, oh no, English was clutch.
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And America is so good about immigration integration.
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Wow.
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I'll say that five times.
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And the big key thing for everyone we talked to was like,
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oh, English was the thing.
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Like my parents, they wouldn't allow us to speak any other language.
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And in a way I thought about like, my father.
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My father came from the south, and when he moved to Washington
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DC he forced his accent out.
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And because if you're from the south and you have an accent, you're
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immediately thought of as stupid.
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And I think same, same in this world, which is if you don't have command of the
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English language, you're seen as foreign.
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Even if you've been here 40 years, you know, even if you've lived here
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longer than you have anywhere else, if you don't have command of the English
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language, then you're seen as, as other, as less than or from somewhere else.
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And no matter what you look like, where you come from, what you do, but
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if you have command of the English language, it's like, oh, welcome.
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So that was a couple of things for me.
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What was, what are some, some highlights for you?
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Jerremy: Highlights, number one, having just really good conversations with
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people that, number one, really care about the topic, but also number two,
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they have a lot of information about it.
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We
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had tons of really unique characters in this go around with different opinions.
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We got a nice little fight.
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We got left, we got right, we got some excitement there, which I really enjoyed.
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And also we're coming up with just some general Hey, this is what is working.
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This is what can work.
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This is what should work.
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This is a problem.
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AKA paperwork, lawyers fees,
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lines, and here's some solutions.
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And they were pretty fast.
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Like we had a lot of really great, let's implement this as quick as possible.
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'cause it really wouldn't be that challenging, wouldn't be that hard.
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And one of the things I never really sat
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down and really looked at or studied probably would be that how
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immigration does drive us economic
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growth, right?
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Adding 8.9 trillion to the gross domestic product and filling vital labor gaps.
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I think me just really seeing that from a, how much is the impact maybe, or
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for whatever particular reason, I just didn't notice or know how large it would
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be or should be, or could be or was.
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And to see a, 8.9 trillion if our annual gross domestic has called 25,
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so we're at 30%.
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That's massive.
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And then we had a lot of distinction in different types of immigrants
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and learning about their battles and their choices, right?
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We had people that do not live here, that just work
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here, that still can't get citizenship that really want to, but they live in the
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us.
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We have people that don't work here at all that do wanna come here.
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And they have a hard time.
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We have people that come here illegally and then they get a job, somehow get paid
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in cash and can't get, become a citizen.
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And then we have people that are like, oh, you have a bunch of money come on in.
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I think all of our listeners know my ultimate objective of this entire podcast
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and this entire process is to just really have a great grasp on not only
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the problems, but most importantly the solutions as I run for President 2032.
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And I really believe that there should be and could be a more focused
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approach on individual government sections articles, processes that
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do not rely on one sole individual, which to date has been an old white
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man dictating how immigration happens.
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And that's what's been.
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Forever obviously, right?
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You have the deporter in chief, the one non-white old man, but still
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everything rested on his shoulders and was kicking people out left
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and right, and somehow the media portrayed him as the coolest guy ever.
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Nicest, kindest human being of all time, which is cool.
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That's probably a whole other subject, but that's the thing I learned, man.
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I do not believe in my heart of hearts that the immigration decisions should
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rest, which where they do now really in the lap of one person, which is the
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president, and that just seems like a little too much immediate divisive power
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to
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me.
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Dave: there is a news story that's making the rounds right now, actually,
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and it came out of some tragedy here in Florida where I'll just, I'll use
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the language of, the news people.
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An illegal alien who was driving a tractor trailer, made an illegal
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U-turn and killed three people and
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Jerremy: And they are
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Dave: Losing their, losing their
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minds.
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Jerremy: I'm trying to think of a good verb.
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Losing their minds.
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Dave: Guy comes over from I think he's Indian national
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uh, quote unquote illegally.
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I don't even know how, he came into the United States.
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He got some sort of status under Obama and in California he qualified
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for a commercial driver's license.
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Okay, fine.
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And then Trump comes in changes, it puts him on deportation like quick
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deportation started that process.
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Biden comes in and this guy applies for amnesty and is granted it.
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Except the deportation law was still in place.
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And then the Trump administration comes back in and says, this
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guy couldn't speak English.
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We've already changed.
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You know, we did an executive order on that, on English language.
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And he can't even identify, road signs.
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So I heard all of this and I went, okay, this actually typifies exactly,
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I mean, this is exactly the issue, which is this guy for nine years has,
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been wrapped around the axle from one administration to the next administration,
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to the next administration, to the current administration, four different
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administrations, and in nine years.
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And this guy has been told.
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he got a commercial driver's license, and he killed a bunch of people.
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Now, here's the thing, if we took the fact out of this that he was quote
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unquote illegal, the real problem here is the state of California.
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Like, who is handing out commercial driver's licenses?
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Somebody you can't drive.
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I mean, that's what it gets down to it.
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The legal illegal thing is sort of irrelevant, except it's telling me
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that this cannot be with one person.
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Like, we need to actually change the laws.
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I don't understand any of this.
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Right?
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Like I, when it gets down to it, our political class has failed us.
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My question is why, you know, like when we talk to Melissa.
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She was like, look, this is bonkers.
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You know, like I'm printing things out and they're scanning them in
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and I'm faxing, you know, like it was outta the eighties, and the
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laws haven't changed much since 86.
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And she said the laws that are there are basically either special
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interest or a patchwork of stuff that was valid 50 years ago.
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But you know, now in the 21st century, it makes zero sense.
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So it's like, why is it in the best interest of our legislature to do nothing?
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That's the part where I don't get it.
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I dunno, is it the same thing with healthcare and all the other things
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that actually matter to people is like, ah, they're not getting paid to do it.
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Nobody's paying our legislatures.
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Like they, they don't.
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They're not being paid enough money by some weird special
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interest to do something.
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If this actually had something to do with national security and just
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being sponsored by some other country, it'd probably be done in 15 minutes.
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Right?
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Jerremy: It would be, that's exactly correct.
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And that could be a solution right there.
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Hey, if you would've come here in this country your country needs to pay for it.
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Dave: All
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Jerremy: All you need
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to do is have a check written by your country and you can come right on
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over.
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But I think
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that's
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Dave: Let's talk a little bit about the economic stuff.
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Like you mentioned trillions of dollars.
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I still can't even imagine what a trillion dollars is.
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It's a lot, and then I also think about how gummed up this process
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is 4 million pending court cases.
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Is it, what's the phrase?
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It's, uh, justice delayed Is justice denied 4 million cases.
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That's ridiculous.
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people are going to be in these situations for decades, and in the
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meantime, they're gonna have families, they're gonna establish themselves,
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and then at the end of this process, they're gonna actually show up to
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some sort of court case and somebody's gonna throw 'em outta the country.
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I think what I'm, I. Our big, fight that we had, a lot of it was economic
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based, you know, like immigrants are taking our jobs and we've dispelled
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that in fact, one of the things that we talked about with Melissa was it's
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like, we also need to change the Visa program where, yeah, you can get a PhD in
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mathematics here, but if you need somebody to turn a wrench or to sell something
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or to start a business, good luck.
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They're never gonna get into the country.
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I think my question to you is, what happens when there's an economic
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downturn in the United States?
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Because there is going to be, like it's not always up, but what
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happens when things go down and when people get into a scarcity mindset,
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when there is competition for jobs, do you think that will turn.
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Even uglier for immigrants,
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Jerremy: Oh yeah.
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I can't have someone say they took our jobs without thinking about the South
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Park episode because they did that
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two decades ago.
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They took her and they just kept going and going and it's really
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this fallacy I shouldn't say it's a fallacy, it's a mindset.
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It's a belief.
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My opinion, I live more and what I think is an abundance mindset.
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And then you have other people that are gonna live in more of a scarcity mindset.
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And the scarcity mindset is there'll never be enough jobs.
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And we have a limited amount and we're
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gonna run out.
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But the thought process there is if you study more history and
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you talk about the industrial revolution changes all jobs, right?
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Like in the 1890s, 99% of every job that existed was
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agrarian.
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Meaning it had something to do with food or land, or growing something, right?
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It was agricultural based, 99%.
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And so now today, it's less
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than 1%.
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So no one's growing
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shit, no one cares, right?
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We got seven
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farmers on
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this
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Dave: I think one of 'em is Bill Gates, right?
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Doesn't he own like a
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Yeah.
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Tons of
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Jerremy: Bill Gates is the best farmer, and you're correct.
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So less than 1% is agrarian, and now we're all doing
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it stuff.
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Okay?
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So AI comes, immigrants come, all these jobs get displaced,
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taken, removed, and changed.
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What is the entire world gonna do?
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And the answer is we're going to have to adapt to something we always will, right?
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Necessity is the mother of invention.
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When humans sit around with like, how do I make money?
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And that thought comes in your mind every single day,
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you're gonna come up with ways.
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And that's one of the reasons that podcasts blew up.
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And I would say in the two thousands for sure, but definitely 2000
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20 like COVID started happening.
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Everyone's oh yeah, let's do podcasts.
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And I know seven people personally.
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I'm one of them that had a podcast during that time that exploded because it just
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happened to be everyone was listening to podcasts and the good ones took off.
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Alright, that's an example of, hey, let's pick a random person that I know named
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Greg was making $8,000 a year start a podcast, and because of podcasting and
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three businesses that he could spend more time, energy, and effort on, took
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his income from 80,000 to 300,000.
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Now he's employing more people.
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He's paying more taxes.
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All the things happened, all because of podcasting he literally quit his
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job as a police officer and started podcasting and building a business.
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Now he transformed what he did.
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Humans will do that.
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Alex: And this is my abundance mindset, is if a bunch of immigrants come into the us.
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They take all of these jobs, even the ones that hard fought want
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to keep, I wanna keep my job.
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And they take from you.
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That's 'cause they're better than you.
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They thought more,
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Practice more, they cared more.
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Or they're extremely less costly than you are.
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It's one of those factors, right?
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If someone takes your job, it's 'cause you suck at it.
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You're not good at it, you produce, or you're too expensive, meaning you're not
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providing enough revenue or decreasing the cost of whatever job you're enough.
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If you're
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doing one of those two things, you'll keep your job.
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Alright?
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So you get your job taken from an immigrant what do you do?
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Just go create another one.
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That's what you're gonna do.
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Go literally go find another one.
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Go find another business.
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Go find something to create, to build, to make.
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That's what American ingenuity is all about.
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And so that's my theory, dude, is I don't think that's ever gonna happen.
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Like in 50, 60, 80 years from you robots doing everything,
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you have an idealization, and
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I'm going on a tangent, I'm sorry.
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You have an idealization of what some people would call post
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abundance, not post scarcity.
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Maybe it's post scarcity, like after everyone's afraid.
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You have this world where money is easy.
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Yes, inflation is up, but now
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20% of the world is millionaires.
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Now millionaires can't buy as much 'cause inflation's up.
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But you still have a lot more money than you have now, relatively speaking.
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And jobs are faster.
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Everyone's creative.
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They're doing music, they're doing podcasts, they're doing radio.
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People pay for the gig economy.
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This person made me laugh.
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Here's 10 bucks.
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This person made my day easier.
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Here's 10 bucks.
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This person cooked this really cool meal, here's $10.
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And now I have more money because I hired 17 robots to go out and drive my
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Tesla cars and take people everywhere.
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And I got paid a certain amount of money.
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'cause my Tesla's making me money 'cause robot's driving it.
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And I don't have to pay the robot as much money.
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And then, oh, I'm gonna trade the financial markets because I have more
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money and the financial market's going up.
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So now you have more money.
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There's a world that exists out there in my opinion.
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And that's why I wanna lead this into where it's actually easier, it's simpler.
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We make more money, we have more money, we have more opportunities.
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That's for everybody.
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And that's an abundance, like that's an abundance mindset where
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that's where the future is going.
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there's not enough land in the United
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States
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Dave: Yeah.
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Jerremy: do anything.
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Pick it.
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You could have every single human being on this.
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live in America,
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Dave: Yeah.
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Jerremy: everyone gets three acres.
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Like now you have to spread out evenly, but
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everyone gets three or four acres.
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Everyone has a job and we have plenty of food.
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And then every other land has no one in it, right?
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No one exists.
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Birds run around, fly around.
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There's plenty of land, plenty of animals.
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Everything is a natural preserved park.
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We have that much room in the US and then some.
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That's a lot of room 8 billion people to live in the US no problem.
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You have to spread 'em around, okay?
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They're gonna be a lot of people in Nevada that's not there now.
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You have a lot of people in parts of California, Kansas, Illinois, Texas,
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Idaho, North Dakota, South Dakota, there's a lot of land out there, man, a lot.
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Now granted the government might have to buy some from some of the private
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landholders, but what I'm kidding at is.
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Maybe.
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I don't think it's a problem.
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I think there's so much to go around and that's my belief, but I think
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mathematically it's provable, right?
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That's what's unique is like we can actually prove it, ultimately we
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have so much available that not only can this country sustain the world,
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but so many other countries that are available can sustain the world.
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We can figure it out and if people are taking all of our jobs in this country
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and no one has a job, the jobs that they took probably produce enough income
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where you could have something because the government's taking care of you.
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I'm not saying that's gonna happen, but that happens for
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a lot of people right now.
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That's the case right now is when you and I create income and we pay a
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tax, they're taking some of our tax
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money to live off on.
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I've never in my life, and I've been as poor as you can grow up in
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the us, didn't have food stamps or any type of government protection.
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I just had to catch fish and eat it.
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And if I didn't catch any fish and eat that day I went to bed hungry.
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Okay, cool.
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Hey good for you.
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So for that to occur, I don't think that's gonna be a problem.
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I think there'll be a pinch in, in the great depression.
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25% of
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people are unemployed.
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Now that sounds like a lot, and
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Dave: Yes,
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Jerremy: but that means 75% of
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people were employed.
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So only a quarter of the people, right?
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One out of four were not employed in the great Depression, in the worst economic
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cycle America has ever seen in 2008.
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And you can fact check me on this, I believe it was only
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15% of people were unemployed.
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That's still not that bad.
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And right now, again, people will, go back and forth on what the numbers are.
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I think CPI is extremely high, although they keep saying it's low.
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What actually is unemployment right now?
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Depending on where you look at, it's around four to 5%.
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So if we have one of the worst economic downturns in history that comes in
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the next two years, which isn't gonna happen, by the way, I don't think it
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happens until 20 29, 20 30 is we'll get up to probably 20%, 25% unemployment.
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And all the jobs that get lost, people can't afford them.
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And then, yeah, immigrants might take them and they're gonna
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work harder, longer for less.
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And if you want a job, you're gonna have to figure out a way to
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create more income, reduce more expenses, and be a better employee.
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And I think that ultimately is the lesson for every single listener here.
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And I think that's just the truth of all business.
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Dave: You know what I'm hearing is that, a lot of our political class,
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a lot of the people who are in charge of this right now, and a lot of people
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who are debating it haven't had A bunch of different episodes exploring this.
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Like we have over the last few weeks to really dig into this from a bunch
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of different angles that they'll say, we can't do this, or we won't
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do this, or don't do this because of fear and uncertainty and doubt.
22:25
And you're saying, Hey, let's flip this frown upside down.
22:28
Yeah, there's always going to be edge cases, but let's
22:31
not manage to the edge cases.
22:32
Let's not manage to the fear, let's not manage it.
22:35
Like how do we turn this, can't, won't, and don't to can, will
22:39
and do and doing something is way better than where we are right now.
22:45
Which is a system that is fundamentally broken.
22:49
I mean, we got onto a tangent early on on this, which was.
22:54
Like people are coming here for economic prosperity and that just,
22:57
that makes people crazy and it makes people delighted at the same time.
23:01
That was our big debate that we had.
23:04
And you know, part of that is, is that we've had a foreign policy that
23:08
has had the American boot on the neck of so many countries for decades.
23:15
That man, how about we make those countries great again?
23:18
You know, like, I dunno about you, but uh, like I don't think
23:21
people want to leave their homes.
23:23
They're being pushed to leave their homes for some reason.
23:27
They might be pulled here for a few reasons, but they're leaving for a reason.
23:32
But if they didn't have to leave, people do wanna stay home.
23:34
They wanna be in Venezuela or Cuba or Europe or wherever, right?
23:40
They're coming to America for certain reasons.
23:42
Maybe it's because of our freedom, which like, yeah, there's a lot of
23:46
countries where you can't be free.
23:47
Maybe, uh, it's because of economics and like, yeah, we can do that.
23:51
We can help other countries do that.
23:53
So part of that is being the model.
23:55
Again, part of that is, is stop screwing around with other countries.
24:00
Some of that is, uh, being admired.
24:03
Again, I don't think America's very admired.
24:05
But I, that was I think our big debate, with David and Steven, which
24:10
is that, you know, fundamentally, uh, you know, like David was in that world
24:17
of, you know, really looking at, well, it's legal versus illegal, right?
24:21
And we need to have more legal pathways.
24:24
And Steven was like, Hey, this is all economics and there are no legal pathways,
24:30
Jerremy: correct.
24:30
And it's 12 on a statement I made earlier, 2.26 billion acres in the us.
24:36
So if you have 9 billion people, that's about a quarter of an acre per person.
24:40
So not three acres.
24:41
But saying that to say, yeah, if we have that type of room, we have that
24:47
type of awareness, we have that type of understanding, we have that type of
24:50
size because that's just a math fact.
24:53
If people come over, they want economic prosperity.
24:56
We do have that in this country.
24:58
We have established and we are young enough and we have
25:01
enough size and resources.
25:03
One of the best books that I've ever read that you told me to read
25:08
was Accidental Superpower.
25:09
And as I was listening to this, I'm like, this is just such a fascinating topic.
25:13
Like we have so much
25:15
Dave: It's
25:15
Jerremy: in the US as
25:16
far as resources go, just a massive everything in droves.
25:23
So as I think about this, I'm over here listening to this book
25:26
yeah, I think we have plenty.
25:27
So to your point, man, when people come over here, they really do want to come
25:31
because they are going to have so much
25:35
Dave: Oh
25:36
Jerremy: And I fully believe in the more begets more, is it more income?
25:43
Is it more money?
25:44
Is it more opportunity?
25:45
Is it more to focus on the negative?
25:48
Is it more drugs?
25:49
Is it more murders?
25:50
Sure.
25:50
With more people you have more, with more of anything, you're gonna have more.
25:54
So you just need to have some ultimate way to Yes of course, protect.
25:57
We had our entire discussion on police and
25:59
police reform, but I still think, man, when you start talking
26:04
about, oh, everyone's bad that's coming into this border, like
26:07
that's just such an Erroneously incorrect statement, like you take
26:12
a hundred people off the street mathematically, it's like 1%
26:16
or less are the negatives.
26:18
It's the people that really wanna do harm, that wanna hurt other people that
26:21
just aren't quote unquote, what most people would consider a great person.
26:25
It's less than 1%.
26:27
And for immigrants, it's the exact same thing.
26:28
It's such a small number that are not bringing greatness over here.
26:34
Most people want greatness.
26:36
And again of course, just my opinion, my beliefs.
26:38
But that particular episode was really fun and fiery and exciting
26:42
because David and Steve, like they were just to total polar opposites
26:46
on the spectrum of the belief system.
26:48
And that's good because from both of those perspectives, I got a lot,
26:54
I got actually re-fired up about.
26:57
We should
26:57
have a lot of immigrants come in here.
26:58
Like even though the US wasn't founded by immigrants, I actually said that
27:02
a couple times in a couple episodes.
27:03
I mistakenly apologize for that.
27:05
It was founded by settlers.
27:06
And those are, that's a
27:07
Dave: Ooh, tell me what, tell me.
27:09
I want to, I wanna learn this.
27:10
What's a settler?
27:12
Jerremy: so a settler is, I
27:15
don't wanna live here anymore.
27:17
I'm choosing to go somewhere else and we're gonna go somewhere
27:21
that most likely doesn't have a lot of civilization and we're
27:25
gonna go build our life there.
27:27
Versus I know this place exists and they're amazing.
27:30
I'm gonna infiltrate that place and try to live there.
27:33
That's already
27:33
built.
27:34
Infiltrate
27:35
using the word loosely.
27:36
Dave: Settlers.
27:37
Jerremy: Yeah.
27:38
And so settlers is Hey listen, if you are there and we don't like
27:41
you, we're probably gonna murder
27:45
you.
27:45
Dave: God.
27:46
Jerremy: Dude, that is a
27:47
distinction, Dave, that so many people love to
27:49
just gloss
27:50
over
27:51
Vikings
27:52
Dave: here to murder the people who are
27:54
Jerremy: And they, we called them Native Americans and they're like
27:56
we're settling this land and it's not yours.
27:59
'cause we say, so we have guns and you don't, sorry, it's now ours.
28:04
The 11th president, that's what James Polk
28:06
did, right?
28:07
to take California, Oregon, Washington from the Britains.
28:12
Man, it was just fascinating.
28:13
so there's a difference.
28:14
Immigrants are,
28:16
your country's better than ours
28:18
and I wanna come live here.
28:19
A settler is,
28:21
I kinda like my country, but there's something better and I will fight
28:25
for it if I have to create my vision.
28:29
Small distinction and I think
28:30
Actually
28:31
probably
28:31
better.
28:32
'Cause there's not a lot of new countries being settled,
28:34
present day.
28:36
All right.
28:37
So on that topic, if we create the distinction of, all right, immigrants
28:42
are incredible, Steve, in that exact episode, kind re-lit my fire of yeah.
28:49
America was,
28:50
Talk
28:51
about small
28:52
Dave: Yeah.
28:53
Jerremy: and young it, we are 250 years old,
28:58
barely.
29:00
And to think about how far this country has come in 300 years, let's just call
29:05
it 300 years for easy numbers compared to any nation that's ever happened before,
29:10
that was a superpower is remarkable.
29:15
Speed.
29:16
Remarkable.
29:17
And we only did that because we brought in people to this nation and
29:24
those people did absolutely help build
29:28
this country.
29:29
And those were the vast majority,
29:32
they were
29:33
immigrants.
29:33
Dave: yeah.
29:35
Jerremy: That thought process brought me to the conversation that we had with
29:40
Audrey and Jerry because Audrey and Jerry, they were, second generation
29:46
or first generation, and their parents came here for one reason, mostly was to.
29:54
Work to create jobs to create for themselves and had their kids here and
30:00
really wanted to build a family and wanted to build power and legacy and impact.
30:05
And they were able to do that.
30:07
And for me to just think through using that conversation, using that
30:12
discussion, using the terminologies that both Audrey and Jerry were able to
30:18
dictate and enunciate on the power of that cultural identity saying, I have
30:27
this, we have this, but we are together.
30:30
And to create some level of unison unity and having the remarkable capability
30:35
and capacity to take that unity and from that build, from that scale, from
30:39
that to create a melting pot of hey.
30:44
You have this exact same situation that I had, you went through
30:47
this exactly like I'm going, through it Let's help each other.
30:49
And it was in that episode where I started putting the pieces together.
30:52
Okay, I think we could that could definitely be a alright, if you
30:56
wanna come into this country go get a job, I'm fine with that.
31:01
probably gonna be a job that American doesn't want anyway.
31:04
And there's gonna be plenty of them.
31:06
Go get a really cool job.
31:07
And when you come here, connect with a group of individuals who've
31:11
already been here before and let them guide you, let them pull you.
31:14
And that's just a requirement.
31:15
This is a terrible example, but think about like a parole officer, right?
31:18
Parole officer has Hey, here's these things that you have to do to return as
31:22
a returning citizen to the communities.
31:25
Okay, if you're an immigrant into this country and you.
31:27
Check mark.
31:28
You go through the AI adopted software, automated system and process where we
31:33
can take 95% of these core cases and speed 'em up to days or weeks versus
31:38
decades.
31:39
And now, once they get that big check mark, they go get a job
31:43
and they're required to attend.
31:46
Dude, I don't know, whatever.
31:47
Community meetings, let's have discussions.
31:49
Let's do this together.
31:50
Let's build each other up together.
31:52
Let's remember why we're all here.
31:55
We came to this country to yes, have our heritage.
31:58
And this was a big one that Audrey just, I love how she stated this, but it was
32:01
like, yeah, we came from somewhere else.
32:04
Absolutely.
32:05
And we still have that as our heritage.
32:08
We saw that as our background.
32:10
But I'm an American.
32:12
I'm here now
32:13
and we're gonna pour into it and we're gonna celebrate our past.
32:15
We're gonna celebrate where we came from.
32:17
It's gonna be remarkable.
32:18
It's gonna be incredible.
32:18
It's gonna be an accomplishment.
32:19
It's gonna be a feat.
32:20
But we're Americans and we're in this country for a reason and we're gonna build
32:24
and we're gonna help other people build.
32:25
And that just got me all excited.
32:27
Dave: Yeah.
32:27
We touched on that a little bit with Svetlana and Olga too, right?
32:31
I think Olga mentioned, yeah, you, you tend to find your communities, right?
32:34
Particularly in, in cities.
32:35
You find your people.
32:37
I like the idea of.
32:40
People helping people, communities helping out.
32:42
But didn't they also say there are so many different programs and
32:46
so many things that are already available and it's, I don't know.
32:51
I remember Olga looking, sounding a little slant eyed at that, meaning that, yeah,
32:57
but you gotta get rid of all of the scams and all of the people taking advantage
33:03
of, of, uh, of immigrants or people who are going through this gauntlet.
33:08
And I think the phrase was, um, a marathon through a minefield.
33:13
You know?
33:14
So what would it accomplish?
33:16
because we also heard about the crab potting too, right?
33:19
So what would you envision, say a second gen helping, a first gen doing?
33:26
Is that what you're saying, right?
33:27
It's ah,
33:27
Jerremy: Yeah.
33:28
I think Exactly.
33:29
I'd
33:29
Dave: we
33:29
Jerremy: have that be
33:29
Dave: a you need to have an advisor here.
33:31
Jerremy: Exactly,
33:32
Dave: A
33:33
mentor.
33:34
Jerremy: Americans do that.
33:35
If you're born here,
33:36
You have advisors.
33:37
Those advisors are
33:38
generally called
33:39
Dave: Yeah,
33:40
Jerremy: Mentors.
33:41
What it does is it speeds up the process so that if you have a marathon through
33:45
a minefield, you know where to run.
33:49
Don't put your foot there.
33:51
Avoid this big
33:52
iron metal, shiny thing.
33:54
I think that too is it's just a way to speed the process.
33:57
Solana said, let's remove the story of always having to be hard and having this
34:06
link and this beauty attached to hardship, because it doesn't have to be that way.
34:12
These things can be easier, and if they're easier, we'll create our own hard, right?
34:18
That hard will be made.
34:19
I love that people have to work diligently and put a lot of effort into build
34:24
something to scale something for that, to really have a value associated with it.
34:28
And yes, that'll never go away, but if you have a mentor, a second generation
34:33
appealing to a first generation that says, here's what to avoid.
34:37
Here's how to speed things up.
34:38
Here's how to get a great job.
34:39
Here's where you could pay taxes.
34:40
Here's where you can do this.
34:41
Avoid this, don't do this.
34:42
Do this.
34:43
Now that person can avoid a lot of the hardships, and
34:46
they'll have their own hardship.
34:47
And their hardship might be, I have to work more because I, now,
34:52
I bought two houses and I live in one and I rent out the other one.
34:57
But there are some hardships that come with owning two houses, and that hardship
35:02
is just as unique and individualistic as someone who has no house and has to rent
35:09
and have to pay their money for rent.
35:11
It's just a hardship.
35:13
We're all gonna have our own hardships because human beings, in my almost
35:18
personal definition, are spiritual beings that want to create a physical experience.
35:23
And so we're going to create hard things for ourselves.
35:27
Naturally, it doesn't matter how easy life is, we will find things to make hard
35:33
because we want to experience that hard.
35:35
So let's make it as easy as possible because the faster it is, the easier
35:38
it is, the quicker our immigrants love to learn the country, love to learn the
35:42
processes, fall in love with the people.
35:45
I think it would create a, they're no longer, less than.
35:50
I think that was one of the very first things you talked about.
35:52
Davis was like, Hey, this is no longer a we versus them.
35:55
It's kinda like an us.
35:57
It's oh, cool, you're an immigrant.
35:57
Awesome.
35:58
You should connect with this group, this person, this individual,
36:01
and this is what you should do.
36:03
Because that's, everyone knows that's what we do now, right?
36:06
We just have this protocol to welcome people 'cause we don't
36:09
have this disdain for, you do have to be technically non-approved to
36:17
start getting here at some point.
36:19
There is a process of.
36:21
Not approved to approved.
36:23
What does that window look like?
36:24
Let's short it, make it as easy and quick and efficient and scaled
36:28
down as possible so that we can figure it out and we can continue to
36:32
become the world's greatest country.
36:33
'cause that's what put us here.
36:35
And what got us here will continue to get us where we want to go to a
36:40
certain level, to a certain degree,
36:41
Dave: Immigration, and let's just extend that to becoming a
36:46
citizen in the United States.
36:47
Should that be easy or should that be hard?
36:51
Jerremy: I think it should be easier than
36:52
it is now.
36:53
But here's my thoughts though.
36:54
Yes, it can be easy, but easy can have very specific outlines.
36:59
Finishing a marathon is pretty easy, Dave.
37:01
You go 26.2 miles.
37:05
Dave: I'm
37:06
Jerremy: a lot
37:06
easier
37:07
Dave: I, like that analogy.
37:08
That's great.
37:09
Jerremy: It's like it's a
37:10
lot
37:11
Dave: the
37:11
Jerremy: easier.
37:12
Yeah, that's the thing.
37:13
It's like we could still have these, you gotta do, okay, this is
37:17
maybe a tangent again, but imagine if I said, in order to be an
37:20
immigrant, legally, all you have to do is come over to America, do 25 pushups, 25
37:28
pull-ups, and run a seven sub minute mile.
37:31
That was it.
37:32
That's all you have to do.
37:33
And then boom, big check mark.
37:35
That is easy for a
37:36
lot of people, those three things, and it's not easy
37:39
for a lot of people as well, but if you have a very clear standard
37:43
that's, Hey, this is what it is.
37:45
But that standard for the majority of individuals is still
37:50
something that is a fun challenge.
37:55
I'm all for that.
37:56
Then it just gives someone like, Hey, this is a really easy process.
37:59
We have to do these three things.
38:00
But those three things are not inherently
38:03
Dave: Yeah.
38:03
Jerremy: ultimately that easy.
38:05
Running a marathon like it is, you just gotta go.
38:07
26.2 miles was like, okay.
38:08
But it's actually hard to do it though.
38:10
And I think that to me is very fun and very realistic.
38:14
It's create some type of pathway is like, Hey, here's all the things you gotta do.
38:18
And here it is, we'll just put it on a piece of paper and we'll put it
38:21
on street posts across the country.
38:22
These are only 10 things you gotta do to be here legally.
38:25
And they're easy, but they're a lot easier not to do.
38:28
And if it is known enough that everyone's aware of what it
38:33
is, I think we can all kind of
38:34
champion
38:34
that
38:35
Dave: I wanna talk a little bit about who should immigrate?
38:37
Who are we welcoming into the United States?
38:41
because I think this comes up in a lot of our conversations the last few weeks.
38:45
Who?
38:46
And like when we talk to Melissa, you know, her world is very
38:51
much about STEM businesses.
38:56
Like, these are developers, these are scientists, these are people
39:00
who are good at math and these companies, they need, the scientists
39:05
in order to do what they need to do.
39:08
So the companies are willing to put up the money, put up the time,
39:11
energy in order to get those folks.
39:12
And we learned all about that when Melissa, but then we also heard, well,
39:17
yeah, if you're a world class sales guy, sales salesperson yeah, good luck.
39:22
Or if you're an incredible entrepreneur from anywhere in the world, you're
39:27
not being treated special, right?
39:29
Even if best salesperson happens to be Mexican, forget
39:33
it, they're stuck in Mexico.
39:35
And then you get people who immigrate or are pushed into situations that are.
39:42
Kind of weird, you know, whether it's having to basically get forced
39:46
into a marriage in order to stay, or, vacationing in the United States
39:51
when you're nine months pregnant so that your child can be born here.
39:55
You know, I think we also sort of index to smart people and college graduates when
40:01
we need people who can, twist a wrench.
40:06
And, you know, we need build people to build our builds and the incredible skill
40:12
and intelligence necessary in order to, build anything in the United States.
40:18
None of that comes with a college degree.
40:20
And there aren't sadly, a lot of Americans who even want those jobs.
40:25
And you know, those skilled people are immigrants.
40:29
And I don't know about you.
40:30
I know a lot of smart people.
40:32
I have worked with a lot of smart people in highly technical positions, some of
40:37
them immigrants, and they, they are, we don't test for psychopaths, right?
40:41
You know, like if you are a crazy son of a bitch, but you happen to
40:44
have an advanced degree in something, you're welcome to the United States.
40:48
But if you are a world class poet from someplace else,
40:53
good luck getting in the door.
40:55
So I think we overindex for certain things and we say, oh, those must be good people.
41:00
And we completely under index for things that we actually need and tie
41:05
it to jobs and like, okay, so who should be coming to, the United States?
41:09
Jerremy: Well, let me answer your question by
41:11
asking you a question.
41:13
How would you define great, because that's my answer.
41:17
My answer would be, let's get great people
41:20
into this nation.
41:22
If you're gonna immigrate in here, I want you to be great.
41:24
I don't want you to be a scum human being.
41:26
There are scum, human beings.
41:28
I haven't met a lot myself 'cause that's just 'cause I have my perception
41:31
and the people I surround myself with, but I want great people.
41:36
So how would you define a great individual?
41:39
Dave: It's shown over and over again that the people who are happy, the people
41:44
who on their deathbed say I did it.
41:49
Well, those people.
41:53
Over index for things like compassion.
41:58
They're social, they're curious, they have a bit of a intelligence
42:05
about them, and they really care.
42:09
And with those qualities, they succeed and the people around them succeed.
42:18
They tend to be a bit more family oriented community oriented.
42:23
And those are the people who are not only the happiest, they live the longest.
42:27
And that is success more than anything else for me.
42:31
So bringing in a job producer that has hundreds of millions of dollars
42:39
but is a crazy son of a bitch who lays waste to everything around them.
42:45
Is worth very little to me than somebody who has those other
42:49
qualities that I talked about.
42:51
The kindness, the compassion the social aspects, because they bring more, like
42:55
the people around them are productive.
42:58
They are the job creators.
42:59
They are creating businesses, they are creating community.
43:02
They are actually bringing more to the United States.
43:05
So I think that greatness is about those soft skills and those soft
43:11
skills where you look at that person and you're like, I admire that person.
43:14
I see this in you all the time.
43:16
It's like, I admire you as a person because you have those qualities
43:20
and great things happen around you because of those qualities.
43:24
It's not because you're the smartest or the richest or the craftiest or the one
43:29
who's willing to do whatever it takes.
43:31
You have the qualities that underpin all of that that are more important.
43:35
So that's what I think is.
43:36
Jerremy: Thanks man.
43:37
So you're saying I'd be a good immigrant
43:38
Dave: What did you, what was the country?
43:39
What was the country you chose?
43:40
Was it wasn't Grenada?
43:42
Aruba.
43:42
Aruba?
43:43
Yeah.
43:43
Aruba will be lucky to have you.
43:46
Jerremy: Thanks man.
43:47
You, but to your point, I like that answer.
43:51
Meaning.
43:53
Imagine if it was as simple as we took someone who had a lot of wisdom, insight,
44:02
experience, call them someone that was, let's just say you're 70 years old.
44:06
'Cause that's way too old to be the president.
44:08
And you say to yourself, okay, since you're 70 and you have all this wisdom
44:12
and age and experience and talent, let's put you on the front lines of hire.
44:16
Going through an interview process four hours a day for 80 minutes
44:21
per person to interview immigrants, people who wanna come to this nation.
44:26
And you have this list of questions.
44:28
And at the end, you've got the job, didn't get the job you have these people that
44:33
are trained and talented and awesome and have care and compassion and can
44:38
actually listen to stories and judge I think this person's a great person.
44:42
'Cause they have those certain qualities.
44:45
That's what a hiring manager at a job.
44:47
Of almost any company, they have to talk to people crazy.
44:52
Like we have to actually learn who this individual is because I do think
44:55
there are some characteristics, what I said earlier about the physicality
45:00
of becoming an immigrant, was both a little bit of a hyperbole, but at the
45:03
same time would be an actual legitimate aspect of an interview process of are
45:10
you healthy or are you gonna come to the US and be a ginormous burden physically?
45:18
we don't need any more obese people in America.
45:21
We had a health podcast discussion already, podcast,
45:24
and over 30% of the US is obese.
45:27
So there are Okay.
45:28
Certain levels there that's important.
45:30
Physicality, like mentally, spiritually, emotionally.
45:34
How do you relate to people?
45:35
What is your general charisma, kindness, thought process.
45:39
Do you smile?
45:39
Do you like other human beings?
45:40
Do you provide good energy?
45:42
Are you nice?
45:43
Do you understand the complexities of human interaction, like shaking
45:47
hands and smiling and giving me eye contact and being a great human being?
45:51
I think there's plenty of people that would mind taking that
45:53
job or that volunteer position, because that's really the answer.
45:57
It can be that easy.
45:58
Let me interview and pass or fail.
46:02
Do you smell terribly?
46:04
Are you just unkempt and mean, and angry and terrible?
46:12
It's okay, if that person's a genius
46:14
and they're gonna invent the next incredible invention, let 'em do it in
46:18
their home country, because we probably, as US citizens, don't necessarily want a
46:24
lot more horrifically, angry, frustrated, terrible people that are running things.
46:31
I just think that ultimately, it should be
46:33
easy or it should still be something where there is a level of component.
46:39
And if someone takes the time, energy, and diligence to, I think you mentioned
46:47
be an incredible world renowned poet and they came to a job interview and
46:52
they said, what's your number one skill?
46:54
Or like why would you be here?
46:56
What value do you provide to this country, company in this example?
46:59
And they just recited for 17 minutes this beautiful poem.
47:03
Are they gonna get hired?
47:05
Probably like that's gonna be relatively impressive to somebody.
47:11
And if it's not at that exact job, maybe that person who's hiring
47:15
is oh wow, you're not fit for the front desk at human resources.
47:22
Like you need to be the copywriter.
47:24
You need to be in the language department for this company.
47:27
And so I think that ultimately is like, yeah, everyone doesn't have to
47:30
fit into for everything, of course.
47:32
But for the people, who should be in this country,
47:35
great people.
47:36
That's who should be here.
47:37
People that are gonna add incredible value, who are gonna do great things,
47:40
who are gonna care, who are gonna be kind, who can be compassionate,
47:43
who are gonna do their best to be an amazing, loyal, caring citizen.
47:48
And if the time comes, if it ever needed to happen,
47:53
Got invaded,
47:54
would you fight for it?
47:55
And I think that's a realization that, listen, I know some people
47:58
will or will not because of some reason or rationale, but most people
48:04
who would consider themselves an American would go, yeah, if it, I'm
48:08
not saying put me on the front line.
48:11
I'm saying if this country got invaded and we had to, would
48:15
Dave: How beautiful was that when Olga said, like she knew she was an
48:19
American when, at nine 11, she was like, I would die for this country.
48:23
And I'm like, oh my God, I just got chills.
48:26
Jerremy: Man.
48:27
Me too, dude.
48:28
That's patriotism.
48:29
And you know what frustrates me?
48:30
I'm a rampage tyrant today.
48:33
This I feel, and maybe this is my newsfeed, maybe it's my media,
48:36
I'm not sure, but people demonize patriotism and because they think it's
48:42
one
48:42
Dave: Who's doing that?
48:44
That's ugh.
48:44
Jerremy: and they go, only hard-nosed Republicans can be patriotic.
48:50
No, exactly.
48:50
I agree.
48:51
I'm like, what?
48:53
We're like, what?
48:54
What are you talking about?
48:55
And I think if someone wears a ginormous American flag shirt and
49:01
American flag pants, I did three or four polls on this on my Twitter.
49:06
The majority of people say, or at least the people that voted for it, right?
49:09
They say that they would view that person as a Republican first.
49:13
There's that flag, baby.
49:14
There's that flag.
49:16
And so it's just man, I don't think that needs to be the case, nor should it be.
49:20
It's like being a patriot of this country just simply says,
49:24
you know exactly where you live.
49:26
You know exactly why you live here.
49:27
As much as I love Aruba and I would immigrate there, I ain't got a rubian flag
49:31
anywhere in my house that we live here and left, right middle
49:38
center, far either direction.
49:41
Be an amazing human being, be an amazing citizen, be an incredible
49:45
advocate for this country.
49:46
That is what makes patriotism in any country exciting.
49:50
And we all should have a degree of that, and that needs to
49:53
certainly be a very important
49:55
component
49:55
Dave: Yeah.
49:56
whoever is demonizing patriotism.
49:58
I think that got wrapped up in the hole, woke in the last few years.
50:02
That is a dying thing.
50:04
I have definitely seen a lot more leadership on the left side saying,
50:09
Hey, no, patriotism is amazing.
50:11
I spend some time in Turkey and everybody has a Turkish flag.
50:16
They're wearing Turkish, shirts and it's a cool flag.
50:20
people just love it and they're proud to be Turkish.
50:22
it's infectious.
50:24
we did lose that, but
50:25
I don't think it was real, I think it was just something else to make people crazy.
50:29
I think it was right coded for a while, but so was working out,
50:33
Jerremy: valid.
50:35
Dave: it was like, oh, must be a Republican.
50:37
No.
50:37
Yeah.
50:37
It's no.
50:39
Jerremy: Yeah.
50:40
Dave: I don't know how we landed on this side of it, but I still have this.
50:45
When we label somebody illegal and when we have illegal ness
50:49
as far as this immigration thing goes, we create another class.
50:56
We create effectively like economic slave labor that have, no protections
51:03
that can be manipulated by fear.
51:06
And we also create, as far as anybody is measuring the largest human trafficking,
51:16
anything on the planet that is only making some of the worst people on
51:22
the planet, filthy rich, and leaving people in these uncertain situations
51:30
or in, human trafficking situations.
51:33
Drugs and prostitution, like the worst things in the United States are tied
51:38
around this economy of human trafficking.
51:44
I don't know, man that's gotta, all of that's gotta stop.
51:47
You know, like all of it, we have to make it so it is economically
51:51
not viable at all to traffic another human being into the United States.
51:56
Have them work here for nothing, have them work in prostitution or like, all of it,
52:02
It's just, it's gotta stop, like all of it.
52:06
Alright, that was my rant.
52:07
I don't know.
52:09
Jerremy: Oh yeah.
52:09
No, I love, I love your
52:10
Dave: did we say, oh, this is how, like I, Melissa changed me completely
52:15
to be like, ah, let's not focus on the illegal at all and let's focus on all
52:19
the business and economic prosperity and making sure that people can come
52:23
here and work safely and legally.
52:25
Wouldn't that get rid of the illegal aspect of this completely
52:30
Jerremy: Yeah.
52:31
Dave: temporary work visas
52:33
Jerremy: And I think if we spend more time, energy, and focus on that portion
52:36
of it to your realization that I think most people will not have listened
52:42
to Dave, is that where they're like, they don't even think about, oh wow.
52:48
Companies can traffic
52:49
humans from different organizations, from different countries.
52:54
They're here legally, and then we induce them into slave labor.
52:59
Dave: Yeah.
52:59
Jerremy: For a
52:59
long time like that happens way more often than it should.
53:05
And that should be an incredibly horrific fine.
53:09
And I say fine, like penalty, right?
53:12
You're going to prison for a very long time if you're getting caught
53:14
and doing something like that.
53:16
'cause it's a human life.
53:18
And I think the more we just realize to your aspect of having the ability
53:24
to work and then doing it legally versus illegally and piecing all the
53:28
past work together, that is keep people safe, make it, like you said, non
53:33
economically viable for that to happen.
53:35
For anything to even be created illegally with illegal labor, slave
53:40
labor, traffic, labor, all that should be really looked down upon.
53:46
And that is absolutely something that's just not.
53:48
Really openly talked about at any high level of American government,
53:52
and I don't necessarily think that this is the time to theorize as to why
53:56
that is, but that is something that's really very un openly talked about.
54:01
Dave: Boo
54:01
Jerremy: Yeah.
54:02
Big boo.
54:03
I agree.
54:04
But I like how you said that Melissa
54:06
changed you, meaning I think both of us had some fun tweaks and adjustments
54:11
and this whole evolution of this podcast, because that's the reason
54:15
that we're doing this for so long.
54:17
I want our listeners to know that is I personally need to learn more
54:22
and spend more time and energy to just really uncover topics so
54:28
that I can have not my media fed.
54:32
Boilerplate closed perspectives that just got fed to me that I never explored.
54:39
But to hear different opinions, hear different points, look back at them.
54:44
Dave does an incredible job at taking AI to distill a lot of information
54:49
and to piece a lot of this information together and really show us what
54:53
we're talking about visually and lyrically, and literally put it on a
54:58
page so that we can understand what we discuss, how we discussed, at what
55:02
points were made, why they were made, and what we're gonna do about it.
55:05
And I think that's really cool that this entire series did give us tweaks for sure.
55:10
Both of us adjustments on, Hey, think about this way.
55:13
Consider not only that opinion, but this opinion.
55:15
And every single person that we interviewed and discussed just really gave
55:19
us a new, fresh perspective on the tiny adjustments that we can not only make now,
55:26
Dave: It's a, through this series I knew coming into this, it would
55:31
be very, it's a hot topic, right?
55:35
And at the end of this series, you know, like all of that energy is out of me.
55:42
And is very, very frustrated with the political class where it should be, right?
55:47
Like that's the responsibility of the, is at the people who have abdicated
55:53
doing anything about this for 50 years.
55:56
And Americans not really paying attention to it or being, you know, made crazy
56:02
about, well, it's illegal immigrants and they are taken away from you.
56:06
Like, that's a, a dividing line.
56:07
I'll give you some inside baseball here.
56:10
I actually should pro I, I'll run this by her, but Melissa's episode
56:15
for all of our listeners here.
56:18
For everybody we interview we send out early, early cuts to anybody we
56:23
interview and we're like, Hey, here it is.
56:25
Great interview.
56:26
You know, like, if you need any changes or updates, just let us know.
56:30
And by and large, it comes back with a thumbs up and out it goes.
56:34
Other than like a CEO that comes back and says, Hey, you know, I
56:39
dropped like way too many F-bombs.
56:42
Can you cut out like 10% of my F-bombs?
56:44
I'm like, yeah, sure, no problem.
56:46
And then other than that we do, light editing to make sure it sounds okay.
56:50
But you know, like it's extremely rare.
56:52
But with Melissa's episode, she came back, you know, remember
56:55
she's an immigration attorney.
56:58
She came back and she said, Hey, this, you know, this one section is, um.
57:05
She was like, you know, like, you know what I said was technically correct, and
57:09
in the context of what you and I were talking about, it was perfectly fine.
57:15
And I think 99.99% of everybody that listens to it would've been
57:21
like, okay, yeah, no problem.
57:22
Yeah, that makes sense.
57:24
But you know, the 0.99% that is angry about this is going
57:32
to get angrier by this answer.
57:34
And she was like, yeah, could you do me a favor and like
57:37
clip this And it wasn't much.
57:40
We're talking 10 seconds, right?
57:42
And we actually answered the question.
57:45
I just took out, you know, a few sentences and then I had to take a
57:48
little bit extra out because you sounded
57:51
stupid.
57:51
Jerremy: It was like literally
57:52
two
57:53
Dave: and it was totally innocuous.
57:55
I don't think she would mind me saying it was really around our discussion of
58:01
businesses firing Americans, but opening up a bunch of visas, To hire foreigners.
58:12
And what we learned there well that's not the case.
58:14
Like these companies actually are big and where they're hiring and where they're
58:19
firing are in totally different areas.
58:22
And mind you, businesses have to spend a lot of money on this process.
58:27
Often the immigrant is actually being paid more than the American because
58:32
of this stupid table that the US government puts together on, salaries.
58:38
And the companies come back and it's like, I cannot pay, an immigrant,
58:42
a hundred thousand dollars extra than my American counterpart.
58:46
She goes, well, that's what it is.
58:48
And it was in that world, right?
58:50
And we were talking about it, the three of us were like, we get it.
58:53
But there just a couple of sentences in there that were like,
58:56
oh, that could piss somebody off.
58:57
And she was like, Nope.
58:58
Out.
58:58
And I'm like, no problem.
59:00
And that comes back to, I think people listening to this whole
59:05
arc of us, I'm hoping that the one thing that they take from it is
59:09
that this is not an angry issue.
59:11
This is not an us versus them.
59:13
This is about America.
59:15
You wanna be angry at somebody, whoever you voted for, be angry at them because
59:19
they have abdicated all of this.
59:22
That's what I want people to be angry at.
59:24
Jerremy: I like that ultimately it's gonna be a policy situation
59:28
and who you voted for or even better, who you did not vote for.
59:33
Be angry at somebody in this environment that actually has the
59:36
ability to create that change.
59:39
And not only be angry, but give 'em some solutions.
59:42
And those solutions can be coming on podcasts just like this one.
59:46
Having open conversations, give ideas, right?
59:49
Come up and sit down with what should we do?
59:52
Why could we do it?
59:52
Where could we do it?
59:53
How could we do it?
59:54
Make adjustments, make tweaks, make alterations, give thoughts to
59:58
really creating integral changes.
1:00:01
That's.
1:00:02
I feel we did a great job at, during this during this briefing, during this entire
1:00:07
series, is just having a way to create potentially policy centric reframing,
1:00:15
Making systematic or systemic fixes and tweaks and adjustments that allow for some
1:00:24
radical changes in the Immigration Nation.
1:00:29
Yeah.
1:00:30
Dave,
1:00:31
What are we talking about
1:00:31
next?
1:00:32
What's on the docket for our
1:00:34
listeners?
1:00:35
Dave: voting, voting,
1:00:37
Jerremy: what do you mean voting,
1:00:38
We gotta vote.
1:00:38
Like how
1:00:39
can we possibly
1:00:39
talk
1:00:39
Dave: solving America's problems is voting.
1:00:43
This can go like a lot of different directions.
1:00:47
There's so
1:00:48
much.
1:00:49
Jerremy: tons.
1:00:49
You got my tweet, right?
1:00:51
I I, yeah,
1:00:52
Dave: I think
1:00:54
Jerremy: I did send him a voice memo.
1:00:55
I'm like, Hey man, can you come on my show?
1:00:57
So we'll see if it's a yes or no, but for our listeners there was someone
1:01:01
who was very political, who talked about, we, how they should update or
1:01:04
how we could update the voting process.
1:01:06
And dude got so much hate mail for just wanting the idea, the simple
1:01:12
thought that we should make voting easier and people are hating on this.
1:01:15
And that just blew me away.
1:01:18
A pretty intricate stance
1:01:21
on voting.
1:01:22
So I want every single one of our listeners to tune in very closely into
1:01:25
our next series, because I can assure you this will be one of my most passionate
1:01:30
topics
1:01:31
Dave: that.
1:01:31
That's incredible.
1:01:33
I. I'm totally stoked about this one.
1:01:35
I'm putting together the research on it now.
1:01:37
You know, like we start all of these with a research and
1:01:39
I'm like, man, it's bonkers.
1:01:42
Voting is bonkers.
1:01:44
I think we did it again my friend.
1:01:47
It's also a little Easter egg in the show notes for Olga and Vena.
1:01:52
So I'm gonna prompt our listeners to look at the show notes.
1:01:55
There is something very special hidden in there.
1:01:59
I'll give you a little hint.
1:02:01
Olga talked about an amazing cookie.
1:02:05
There might be a little recipe snuck into the show notes for
1:02:11
Jerremy: Easter Egg, if you like
1:02:12
cookies.
1:02:12
Dave: Much better than whatever the.
1:02:15
Mayonnaise drenched stuff you were talking about.
1:02:17
Ugh.
1:02:18
But yes, next up on solving America's problems.
1:02:22
Probably fewer cookies, but a lot more on voting.
1:02:26
Alright my friend.
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Wrap us up.
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