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The hell why they blocking out all the good stuff, hits the fan
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show starring, man, you're messing with my shows.
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Come to think of it. There was something very
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different about that Honeymooners episode.
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I watch today, one of these days.
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Alice one of these days, he'll stimulate the economy by buying
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an American car. This is plausibly live.
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Well, good morning, good evening, or good afternoon,
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wherever you. You are whatever you do a lot of
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things happening in the world. Today most of them are far
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beyond our control, you might say.
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So perhaps it's time we took a pause and thought about life and
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thought about the laws of gravity Nord stream to pipeline
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legislative privilege. The superb owl politics or the
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news, don't touch the dial. Let's try to hear me out for a
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little while. So remember when Joe Biden?
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I stood up in front of a press conference in Germany and he
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said, This, let me answer the first question, first, if
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Germany if if Russia invades, that means tanks and troops
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crossing the border of Ukraine. Again then there will be, there
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will be no longer a Nordstrom to it.
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We will bring it into it. How would you, how will you do
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that? Exactly.
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Since the project and control of the project is worth in
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Germany's control? We will I promise you will be
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able to do it now after the pipeline was blown up.
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I don't think there's any doubt that it was intentionally
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sabotage. The only real question in the
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entire world is who and why who had the motive, who had the
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opportunity? and I remember having this
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conversation with Eric on the sub vet, the only motivation
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Russia could have for doing this would be to pull off a musk
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rosca where they blow it up themselves so that they can
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blame somebody else. Other than that they have no
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motivation for doing this. In fact, it's kind of not in
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their interest to do it. So who is it?
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Is it the Germans swedes is it the ukrainians and at the time
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many people said Dave it's so obvious that it was us.
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We did it. Now look, you know, the Patriot,
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I believe in the best of my country it doesn't set at the
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time, doesn't eliminate the possibility?
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But I'm going to need some actual.
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What's that thing called? Oh yeah, evidence of this before
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I buy into it. at the time that Joe Biden said that in the weeks
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before the invasion, we wondered out loud.
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Why in God's name? Would he say that?
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Is he just being Joe Biden? Is he just being the doddering
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old fool? Who says things that he
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shouldn't say. That must be it, right?
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I mean clearly No president would actually say that we
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assumed that he was an idiot. But what if we were watching?
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An actually scripted moment. Designed to provide.
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Legalized. cover for what was going to happen to the Nordstrom
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to pipeline now again, Back then I couldn't imagine why Russia
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would would do this to their own project still not convinced that
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they would have. The conspiracy theorist.
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As I said, we're convinced that we did. there wasn't any
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evidence until the day before yesterday, when Seymour Hersh
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has Bombshell article hit sub stack, but all of a sudden the
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whole world is going over. This Now look Seymour, Hersh is
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not the guy, I go to some people do. but he's not the guy I go to
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when I'm looking for Deep analysis and facts about a
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story. He is a sensationalist.
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He has had a long career. and he has on occasion, been correct,
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but in most of the cases where he was correct, T', there was
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corroborating evidence. For example, he broke the story
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about the My, Lai Massacre back during the Vietnam War, which
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again came with evidence. We had photographic evidence, we
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had a court-martial. We had an army investigate.
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We, we had evidence of this. In 1973 1974.
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He was one of the reporters who followed in the footsteps of
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steps of wood stain and Bernstein covering Watergate and
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later wrote a book about Henry Kissinger, which I can assure
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you. At least 10 people have read,
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I'm not one of them. I can't imagine in my life.
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I'm just sitting here trying to think I was a kid in the 70s.
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You know, Henry Kissinger was on my television every night and I
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remember having a conversation with my grandfather blessed
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memory, About how incredibly dull he was not stupid.
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It's no wonder. He was just dull listening to
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him. Talk.
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It was like watching paint dry and I can't imagine in any way
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shape or form that a book about him would be interesting at all.
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But hey Seymour Hersh wrote one, he covered some other things
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along the way. And usually he sources his
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material and usually it's verifiable.
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There have been a couple of cases where he made accusations
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about things that were not verifiable and subsequently were
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rejected as true as because You have any evidence?
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He just said these things and so his story about the Nord stream
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to pipeline which is on sub stack and opened up day before
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yesterday. As I said, has that problem.
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It has the problem than that, as a single Source, it's an
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anonymous source and no other news agency has been able to
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verify that Source or verify the story.
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If the story was an absolute truth, I think you would have
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people coming forward talking to other news agencies saying.
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Yeah, I told him that and then this is how I did.
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It's not happening which does cast in my view significant
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doubt on the story. It's very sensationalist.
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It's very Seymour Hersh. the problem with the story is, It
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has something going for it. That makes me kind of wonder.
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And it goes back to what Biden said that day about, we are
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going to end the Nord stream pipeline.
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We have always assumed for the last year that he was just being
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stupid that he was talking out the side of his ass had no clue
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what he was saying and when the reporter says to him, but but
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how are you going to do that? He just says we're going to do
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it, and we have always assumed that he was off script.
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But what if he wasn't Off Script?
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According to Seymour Hersh the story.
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Now again giving it its due it's not sourced and it is not
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verified. I'm not saying, I believe the
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story what I'm saying to you is Yesterday day before yesterday I
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was certain that we had nothing to do with.
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Today. I have doubts.
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According to Seymour Hersh, the story is that the Navy was used.
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And that the Navy divers that were used were not in fact,
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Special Operations forces. This is important.
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In order to conduct a special operation, a secret covert
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operation using Special Operations forces.
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The military and the intelligence apparatus is
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required to brief Congress. The gang of eight, Prior to that
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event taking place. But if you don't use Special
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Operations forces, seals whatever you don't have to do
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that. Moreover. if you tell everybody
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on the face of the planet that you're going to do this at a
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broadcast, Press conference. Which then every conservative in
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the world including me turns around and comments about thus
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increasing its reach. And then it happens.
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It's not a covert op. And as military operations go,
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it's not secret because he told you about it.
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All of a sudden, I'm finding myself.
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Caught between this idea that I have spent most of my life.
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Doubting Seymour Hersh stories. I don't put a lot of faith in
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him, I don't I just don't folks had just I've experienced since
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1969. I've been reading his stuff.
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I was a kid then, yes, but And most times it's sensationalist.
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And there's no evidence to support it.
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This time, it's sensationalist, there's no evidence to support
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it. He has No, real agenda here.
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Does you because he's publishing this unsub stack, you can read
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it for free. Why would he do that?
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So all of a sudden and I'm not saying that the conspiracy
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theorists are right. Just saying.
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What if we did blow it up? Do you realize how close we came
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the World War 3 over that and may yet?
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It just seems to me like it would have been better if this
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story is true. It would have been better to use
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special forces tell the gang of eight and black hole.
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This is a secret but it's not what we did.
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Is it? It's got me wondering even
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though I don't really trust Seymour Hersh.
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So the other night I'm sitting in my tour class the rabbi of
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the synagogue and we were learning about talmud and the
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weights how mood was put together and I'm not going to
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talk about something. I, you may have noticed that
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over the past few weeks on Fridays.
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I tend to speak a little bit more about my faith and things
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I've learned. I'm not really going to go into
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depth, on that this week. There are some things that I
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learned this week that I would love to share with you, but the
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interesting thing in class was we have a diagram of talmud the
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timeline. And at the bottom, it says X
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date, talmud talmud redaction completed.
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And we had a, we have a pretty diverse crowd at the synagogue
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and some people, probably a Of the people, their English is not
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their first language. And so they were not clear on
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what the word redacting mean. Because redacting is one of
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those words that in English much like the word collaborate has a
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negative connotation even though that's not technically the
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definition of it collaboration to me and I've said this many
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times is bald French women who slept with Nazis even though
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that's not technically what the word means, it has a negative
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connotation. Redaction is the same way the
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word redaction literally means editing.
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And maybe the people who put together that chart could have
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used that word editing of the talmud is complete.
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Compilation is complete but they use the word redacting and it
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threw people off because in their heads, redaction means
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Blacking things out, right? And so we had this conversation
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about the word. Redaction actually just means
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editing. Maybe they could have chosen a
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better word but they didn't in On you go.
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Here in Washington state. We've had quite the debate over
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the past few weeks over Washington's legislature and the
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Democrat parties claim of legislative privilege.
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Now, the idea here is that they can hide nonverbal,
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Communications emails, text notes that are taken.
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And they do they justify this by saying, well, what the law says
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except that's not what the law says.
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It says, what you say on the floor is Attacked it.
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Nothing else is right. And so there's been this huge
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argument about it. And this week the legislators in
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question released the redacted documents so that we could
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actually see what they were talking about and to no one's
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real surprise. Here are the things here.
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Are some of the things that were in the redactions quote, how
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much longer are we going to caucus?
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Should we just grab sandwiches or lunch while we were meeting?
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Hey, just making sure everyone is aware that it's beef day.
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They should be set up on the front steps.
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No idea what that is beef day. I don't know.
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We should ask Ford lobbyist Becky to drive up in the new
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electric pickup for us to take pictures on.
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My colleagues friends parents had that same paneling in their
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basement along with a bathroom with floor-to-ceiling, shag
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carpeting. These are the things that were
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released as having been redacted under the concept of Washington,
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State's legislative privilege idea.
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And suddenly this was released to us with see, we don't know
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what you're upset about now. Why would they release this?
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Drivel as it were. The immediate response to it
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was, you know, kind of like, oh well, okay, I guess it's just
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not that important. One of the political people
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involved with all this was interviewed by the paper.
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And he had us, he had an interesting thing to say.
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He said that this term redacted. Was bandied, Allah around a lot,
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bandied around a lot during the quote, Trump era.
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And that term that was, you know, used was quote,
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normalizing unquote. Then he went on to add this and
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I'm going to read you exist his exact words because I don't want
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to mess this up. You're ready, quote.
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I think the reason that you read act records, like this records,
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that are just silly to redact. In the first place is about
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normalizing the blacking out of Records.
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Why do people hide things? Sometimes you hide things so
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that it will be normal when you really have something to hide on
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quote. In other words, the Washington
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State legislatures argument is number one.
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This is normalizing and who taught us to normalize why it
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was Donald Trump. See if we are actually doing
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something wrong here in Washington state with this idea
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of legislative privilege. Well, it's Trump's fault because
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he normalized redacting of documents.
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Like I said, I work for the government for a decade.
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I'm almost 60 years old telling you Trump didn't start this.
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This was not Trump's doing to normalize this.
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This is what the government is for god sakes, go back and read
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World. War Two Letters From Soldiers
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and Sailors to their lovers back.
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Home with the black light. Hell, it's a plot line in the
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book and the film's catch-22. Where they're just there,
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they're editing the redacting things out of letters because
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they might be a security risk. And then you got a guy that is
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just randomly redacting words because he's bored too.
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Funny too funny section if you ever seen her at the movie
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Catch-22 or read the book, this has been going on for a long
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time. But now the idea that the
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government admits that it is redacting stuff.
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But we have this release of some banal fluff conversations to
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convince us that this is all just a big misunderstanding on
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Trump's fault and we should just trust them.
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See it's just all a big misunderstanding, it's just a
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big deal, you know, if you would just listen to us in the first
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place, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.
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We wouldn't have to blame Trump for her own actions.
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And at the end of the day, you should just trust us because
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we're government and we're here to help.
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Yeah, conversations about beef day and electric trucks paneling
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and wall to wall. Carpeting.
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It is, makes me trust him even less about you.
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Let there be dancing in the streets.
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Drinking in the saloons and necking in The Parlor, it's the
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Friday before the superb owl. And I didn't want to get out of
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here without talking about that, you know how I feel about sports
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and football. In particular, although the good
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news is we just have a few days until catchers and pitchers
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report and spring training, begins once a new.
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It's baseball. Yay.
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But all that is predicated on the completion of the superb.
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Owl which happens this Sunday I noted today that the over-under
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on the number of punts the because you can bet on anything
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for the spur Bal the over-under on punts is 7.
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I'm going to take the over, it's counterintuitive.
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Most people are saying, take the under on that because both of
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these teams have very good offenses, that are able to
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sustain drives and both of the coaches like to go for it on
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fourth down. And they have long-range fuel
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goal kickers. So they're going to tend to go
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for it in positive territory, which is something that I'm in
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favor of anyway. And so it just seems
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counterintuitive to me, but I have a gut instinct that when
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you're talking about the superb owl peoples nerves tend to get
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them and particularly the early parts of the game Things Are.
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Not as smooth as they would like to be.
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Or they tend to fall apart later on aka the Denver Broncos and
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1987, 1988 Super Bowl. Anyway, I'm going to take the
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over on that and I think there's going to be more than seven
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punts. You'd like to like to take me up
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on that and send me an e-mail Dave at the Dave Bowman show.com
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or text me, 20 95/65 date. I don't know what will bat maybe
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a cup of coffee or something, but I'm going to take the over
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on the punts, my job. Prediction for the game is.
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I'm not sure this is one of those hardest games, my wife is
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texting me. Sorry.
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This is one of those. She's getting ready to leave
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from work. And Anyway, this is one of those
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games that boy, I just don't have a strong feeling, either
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way, the Eagles thinker a little bit overrated, they had a very
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easy schedule during the regular season at times, when they were
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supposed to be really good, they laid eggs.
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In the playoffs, they beat the Giants.
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Who are you again? My favorite team.
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One of my favorite teams. I grew up a Broncos fan, but
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those of you new to the show, the grew up in Denver, the AFL
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era. I was a huge Broncos fan, but in
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when I grew up, you had to favorite teams because you had
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an AFL team at an NFL team because the two are not the
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same. And so, my NFL team was the
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Giants. Always loved the Giants.
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Anyway, they beat the Giants but the Giants are a rebuilding team
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and they weren't even supposed to be there.
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They just sort of locked into the whole thing and then they
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bill beat the 49ers who Had no quarterback had no team.
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I think they were medically. They were you know there was it
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was a disaster. So there's a lot of people
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doubting that the Eagles have that so the Eagles may have that
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chip on their shoulder saying, nobody believes in US.
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The Chiefs have been there, they wanted.
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They've lost it. They've been dominating but they
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are. They got some injuries and they
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don't have the big play capabilities that they used to
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have the line. Right now is Philadelphia one
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and a half. Boy, I just don't know.
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My my rule of thumb is I always take the AFL team unless it's
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the Giants because then I love the Giants and I can't bet
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against my giant. So I'm going to take the Chiefs,
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take the point and a half but I don't know.
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Nothing would surprise me in this one.
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It really wouldn't and we'll see what happens.
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We're not going to talk about it on Monday though because on
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Monday, Judd Spitzer will be here in Judd is involved with a
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non-profit group down in Florida, that deal.
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With fentanyl heroin that sort of thing, and getting people
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saved from that stuff. And I mentioned the other day
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that I have a lot of questions about fitting all, and I was
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talking with Rod about it, and then it just hit me.
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Wait, Judd does this. You, he's worked with a
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nonprofit that does this. So, I called him up and said,
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hey, let's talk about this. And so he will be here on
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Monday, and we're going to go through this.
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We're going to get, we're gonna get me up to speed and it about
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why this fentanyl problem is what it is.
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Because, look, I get drugs, I understand it in a big Pie in
26:14
the Sky, kind of way. What I'm having a problem with
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his wife, it in all and why now and the answers seem to Pat.
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And so I want to, I want to get shot in here.
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We'll talk to him on Monday about those kind of things.
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So, come on back on Monday. And not only we have the superb,
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Al results, but we'll have Judd to talk.
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About fentanyl heroin and his nonprofit group that deals with
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those things. Other than that enjoy the game
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and have a great weekend. Take the time right now.
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Tell the people that matter in your life you love them very
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much, miss them if they weren't there.
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So don't pass up those opportunities.
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You don't want to have that regret plausibly live.
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I'm Dave Bowman and we will see you next time.